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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: The Nolan Wells All top seat fere are this as
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Speaker 2: the FBI swoops in good evening. I'm Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us. I find it very difficult to believe that
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Speaker 2: not one but two medical examples cannot figure.
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Speaker 1: Out why he had.
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Speaker 2: Deep red subcutaneous marquings.
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Speaker 3: Preliminary findings and this is significant.
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Speaker 4: Focal area of red discoloration and the soft tissue of
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Speaker 4: the back of the head the ocipitar region. He said,
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Speaker 4: the idiology is unknown at this time. He said the
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Speaker 4: body was received after the initial autopsy. He said the
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Speaker 4: body had marked decom decompensation. Another limitation faced by this
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Speaker 4: forensic pathologist was the absence of the anterior internal next structures.
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Speaker 4: The trachea and the laryngaal cartilage, the thyroid horn, and
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Speaker 4: the hyoid bone were not received with the body.
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Speaker 3: So he said that the throat.
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Speaker 4: Was not received with the body when he got Nolan
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Speaker 4: Wells's body in Washington, d C.
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Speaker 3: To perform the second autopsy.
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Speaker 5: The only question that we have is what happened to
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Speaker 5: our son.
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Speaker 2: That that is the only question.
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Speaker 5: We have consistently been degraded by the public. There's been
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Speaker 5: questions about our parenting, our go fundme, this, that, and other.
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Speaker 2: I've been called a racist.
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Speaker 5: I am a health care provider and I take my
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Speaker 5: job very seriously. I love everyone, and it's just.
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Speaker 2: It's been difficult for us.
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Speaker 5: But we are leaning into our faith, leaning into one another,
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Speaker 5: also leaning into all of you.
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Speaker 2: You were saying family attorney Ben Crump, followed by Nolan
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Speaker 2: Wells's mother speaking, Dear Lord in Heaven, what is wrong
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Speaker 2: with people? If this were your child? What you want
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Speaker 2: to know? What happened? He goes out with friends, they
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Speaker 2: all come back, He's dead. I don't understand the hate
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Speaker 2: directed toward Nolan's family and to everyone looking for answers
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Speaker 2: at this hour. I don't think anyone is guilty, but
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Speaker 2: I do know that there is a conflict, a conflict
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Speaker 2: in the stories, and we are not stopping until we
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Speaker 2: know what happened to Nolan Wells.
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Speaker 1: So you can send all the.
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Speaker 2: Hate and vitriol you want have at it. That from
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Speaker 2: our friends over at NAACP straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 2: We've got an all star panel lined up to analyze
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Speaker 2: what's happening. At this hour, as we are learning, the
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Speaker 2: FBI has swooped into this investigation, and that is not
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Speaker 2: disparaging local law and enforcement, although they did apparently jump
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Speaker 2: the gun at the get go and say no foul places. Inspector,
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Speaker 2: Will I suspect foul play because I don't know any differently,
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Speaker 2: maybe it will turn out to all be an accident,
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Speaker 2: but as of right now, we need a full on investigation.
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, before I give you a very very
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Speaker 2: long intro, bio, where's the throat? I know we have
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Speaker 2: deep red markings on the occipital bone that's in the
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Speaker 2: back of the Thank you. This is directly from the autopsy.
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Speaker 2: We want you to see what the family has seen.
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Speaker 2: Don't you think, Joe Scott Morgan, that the second medical
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Speaker 2: examiner might need the throat to figure out what happened?
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Speaker 2: I mean, Joe Scott, It's on fire claims that Noah
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Speaker 2: Wills had been lynched, that he had been strangled asphyxiated.
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Speaker 2: Do I believe lynching occurred? No, I do not believe that,
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Speaker 2: but I do know I need to see the neck.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and let me tell you where the neck is.
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Speaker 6: The organs of the neck as it's referred to. These
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Speaker 6: neck structures are actually being held by the Mississippi State
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Speaker 6: Medical Examiner's Office, and they don't just arbitrarily hold things
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Speaker 6: like this, Nancy. This is something that would commonly go
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Speaker 6: with the body when the body is released. So I
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Speaker 6: deduce the fact that they have seen something there that
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Speaker 6: they're trying to hold onto from an evidentiary value. Remember,
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Speaker 6: the state still has an ongoing investigation in this case,
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Speaker 6: and they see evidentiary value in this. And yes, I
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Speaker 6: know that the second autopsy pro sector up in DC
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Speaker 6: would have liked to have seen this, but he understands
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Speaker 6: this why they would retain it, and it is being retained.
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Speaker 6: I can promise you that, as are other tissue samples
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Speaker 6: you know. But the problem is is that when you
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Speaker 6: get into the structure in the neck, one of the
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Speaker 6: things you're trying to assess is was this a drowning? Also,
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Speaker 6: is there any kind of trauma? If people will just
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Speaker 6: put their hands right here in the middle line of
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Speaker 6: your neck, you'll feel that kind of cartilaginous body there.
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Speaker 6: That's cartilage, right, that can be fractured. Need I remind
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Speaker 6: you Epstein, right, So you have to examine this also
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Speaker 6: here's our word, Nancy. They're talking about the hioid is
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Speaker 6: missing as well. So they don't have that mean.
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, because show me, Joe Scott, you and
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Speaker 2: I hyroid. We know what it is, because you and
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Speaker 2: I have handled a ton of asphyxiation, ligature and manuals triangulations.
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Speaker 2: You name it, hyroid. Explain so different.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's very very far up the neck, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: And one of the things that happens is that with
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Speaker 6: the hyroid, it's generally only traumatized as a result of
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Speaker 6: direct pressure that's generally applied by a throttling event or
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Speaker 6: a CEA clamp like this, throttling meaning like this, So
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Speaker 6: manual strangulation and an outlayer here is literature strangulation, but
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Speaker 6: primarily hands on. So they're looking for little fractures in
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Speaker 6: here all along the way. So that has to be
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Speaker 6: dissected along with these other there's a couple of other
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Speaker 6: structures that you look at as well. They've held onto
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Speaker 6: this for some reason. I don't have the answer for that,
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Speaker 6: but I can tell you it's being preserved. I don't
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Speaker 6: know if they're getting further consultation on their end. That
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Speaker 6: is the state, and I'm sure that stop.
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Speaker 2: Stop stop, Joe Scott. You're giving me so much information.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell everybody, if they don't know who you are,
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Speaker 2: why you're here tonight, Okay. Joe Scott Morgan is a
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Speaker 2: death investigator. He has investigated over ten thousand death scenes
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Speaker 2: of all natures. You've only got a few choices. You've
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Speaker 2: got homicide, suicide, accident, natural causes like a heart attack,
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Speaker 2: and unexplained tonight, we've got who unexplained medical examiners reports.
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Speaker 2: Why we don't have the lungs in a potential drowning case.
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Speaker 2: Why we don't have the neck in a potentially, as
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Speaker 2: you said, throttling case. Why those are the two main
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Speaker 2: things I want to see. Joe Scott Morgan Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 2: Jacksonville State University with a world class criminal procedure department.
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Speaker 2: I've toured it myself. He's the author of Looved Beneath
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Speaker 2: My Feet on Amazon, and he is the star of
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Speaker 2: hit podcast Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan and so
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Speaker 2: much more. But that would take the whole program. Joe
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Speaker 2: Scott really with allegations floating, very incendiary allegations of lynchings,
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Speaker 2: of throttlings of ligatures. The main thing I want to
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Speaker 2: see the lungs and the neck, and they're both missing.
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Speaker 2: I have a problem.
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know that the lungs are necessarily missing.
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Speaker 6: Let me tell you how this works. They have done
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Speaker 6: sections of the lungs at the Emmy's office in Mississippi. Now,
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Speaker 6: the one thing that is included in this report relative
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Speaker 6: to the second, the second autopsy that's been released, is
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Speaker 6: that the doctor here, who is a fantastic doctor, highly credentialed,
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Speaker 6: knows what he is doing. Former chief medical Examiner for DC.
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Speaker 6: He is stating that he has taken sample tissue samples.
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Speaker 6: He repeats this over and over again in the report.
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Speaker 6: He submitted this for his own histology. Why is that important? Well,
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Speaker 6: if you get into the lungs, that lung tissue and
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Speaker 6: he can identify it even in it, I'm going to
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Speaker 6: be real graphic here. It arrived in a bag, okay,
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Speaker 6: So he would have to pick through this, find lung
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Speaker 6: tissue in there, and then sample that and he's going
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Speaker 6: to be looking microscopically for signs of drowning there and
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Speaker 6: he'll make his own assessment. One of the things I'm
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Speaker 6: concerned about nance, and I hope that they did this
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Speaker 6: down in Mississippi, is that when they do this initial examination,
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Speaker 6: did they do die tom testing, which is you're looking
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Speaker 6: for these little bits of algae that are distinct to
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Speaker 6: both fresh water and salt water, and if you find
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Speaker 6: that within the system, that's also an indication that the
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Speaker 6: individual may have been submerged and taken on water. So
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Speaker 6: right now we've got a lot of questions. But as
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Speaker 6: the second doctor says, this is all still pending investigation.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to digest and make sense of everything Joe
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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan just told me. But what I know is
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Speaker 2: that I don't have the lungs and a potential drowning,
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Speaker 2: and I don't have the neck and a potential throttling
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Speaker 2: as he called it. And again, Joe Scott, we don't
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Speaker 2: have having a of any strangulation, be it manual or ligature,
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Speaker 2: except that deep red discoloration. And I read in the
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Speaker 2: autopsy report it was about twelve by eight. How can
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Speaker 2: that be? Explain to me what they're talking about?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, can we please put that that drawing up that
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Speaker 6: the doc rendered there? You know something interesting about that
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Speaker 6: that Mark Nancy. This thing has got kind of as
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Speaker 6: he has drawn it out here, that red indication that
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Speaker 6: he's done with a pen on this anatomical diagram. And
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Speaker 6: you see that's got what is referred to as kind
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Speaker 6: of specific margins, doesn't it. It almost appears as though
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Speaker 6: there is a pattern there, and it extends if folks
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Speaker 6: at home will take their hand and put it on
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Speaker 6: that kind of bony prominence in the back of your
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Speaker 6: head that's called your occiput. Okay, that's where the eccipital
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Speaker 6: bone is. So it looks like it's just beneath there.
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Speaker 6: So right along that edge, this thing's got margins. It
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Speaker 6: almost looks like it could potentially have a pattern. Hard
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Speaker 6: to say, but do you see how he has it
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Speaker 6: drawn out there, It's almost like a rectangular shape. When
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Speaker 6: you talk about decomposition, which he does extensively here, and
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Speaker 6: he says he can't make a full assessment because of
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Speaker 6: the status of the decomposition. Decomposition is what's called diffuse.
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Speaker 6: That means it kind of spreads out randomly what he
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Speaker 6: has drawn there, at least from his estimation there or
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Speaker 6: his rendering that he's done there. Puts margins on this thing.
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Speaker 6: You got to top end a bottom end and he
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Speaker 6: got sides.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know all that said, What does it mean?
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Speaker 2: Because to me, doctor Kendall Crowns, who I respect deeply,
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Speaker 2: by the way suggesting it suggested it was blood pooling,
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Speaker 2: I'm not buying that because it's nowhere else. We don't
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Speaker 2: see that anywhere else on the body. Hey, Caitlin Becker
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Speaker 2: joining me, Senior national correspondent at New York Post. She's
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Speaker 2: a star of New York Postcast, like podcast, but postcast. Caitlin.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us tonight. Caitlin. I had it
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Speaker 2: out with doctor Kenda Crown's yesterday. He has superior knowledge,
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Speaker 2: so I was at a disadvantage. But I'm still sticking
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Speaker 2: to my guns. I don't see how the blood in
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Speaker 2: his body can pull in one location on the whole
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Speaker 2: back of his body, even if he's laying on his back.
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Speaker 2: Hold hold, hold, Brian Thrasher, Vice President United Cajun Navy. Brian,
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Speaker 2: isn't it true that when Nolan was found he was
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Speaker 2: face down, repeat, face down on the beach just at
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Speaker 2: the water's edge. And that's let's see the aerial video.
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Speaker 2: When I'm talking to Brian, so everybody can see what
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Speaker 2: he's talking about. Go ahead, Brian, yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 7: He was a face down on the beach right at
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Speaker 7: the water's edge. I'm not sure if he was spotted
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Speaker 7: still floating and they brought him in or if he
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Speaker 7: washed up right there, But I can only describe where
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Speaker 7: I saw him as we flew over the island.
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Speaker 2: Brian Trasher, based on the photo that I received from
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Speaker 2: an undisclosed source, he was face down, almost as if
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Speaker 2: if he were asleep, with one leg slightly out to
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Speaker 2: the side. Okay, face down, do you agree with that?
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Speaker 8: Brian, yes, ma'am, that's correct.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Back to Caitlin Becker, senior national correspondent, New York
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Speaker 2: Post of New York postcast, Caitlin, what can you tell
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Speaker 2: me about claims that his body was sent to the
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Speaker 2: second autopsy, the independent autopsy face down?
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Speaker 9: There seems to be a lot of questions about how
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Speaker 9: Nolan's body was received, found sent If he was sent
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Speaker 9: these down, that also doesn't make sense to me for
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Speaker 9: the claim that it would be blood pulling in the
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Speaker 9: back of his head, because if he's faced down, wouldn't
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Speaker 9: flood pool just by nature of gravity this way, if
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Speaker 9: he was found face down.
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Speaker 10: It just doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Speaker 9: But as I was listening to you and Joseph Scott
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Speaker 9: Morgan talk, I mean, I don't know the terrain here,
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Speaker 9: but if they're keeping the throat for a parental throttling,
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Speaker 9: and you see this mark on the back of the head,
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Speaker 9: if you're thinking in terms of someone's head pressed up
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Speaker 9: against it, if there's something behind my head and you're
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Speaker 9: pressing me this way, But by not knowing the manner
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Speaker 9: or cause of death, we're kind of jumping to a
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Speaker 9: conclusion there. So it just it just seems like every
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Speaker 9: single layer there is more questions than answers, And the
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Speaker 9: mark on the back of the head and not seeing
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Speaker 9: in the autopsy report that there were really marks or
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Speaker 9: signs of trauma anywhere else was really particularly curious, and
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Speaker 9: why just there, what caused it? And we don't really
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Speaker 9: have those answers about whether or not there was significant
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Speaker 9: trauma to the flip of that to the front, because
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Speaker 9: as you said, Brote wasn't sent for the second autopy.
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Speaker 2: So do you just Scott Morgan, I'm going to bring
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Speaker 2: it in the rest of the panel. In just one moment,
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott how could the deep reddened markings at the
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Speaker 2: back of the back of the head of the accipital,
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Speaker 2: how could that come from the blood sinking down post mortem?
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Speaker 2: It just first he was face down, so it's not
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Speaker 2: it would sink to the blood would go to his face.
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Speaker 2: That was the would be the lowest point. But after that,
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Speaker 2: after he's dead for a period of days, I don't
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Speaker 2: see how the blood could then continue to pull in
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Speaker 2: a different direction. And we are getting reports that he
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Speaker 2: was sent to this exactly to the second autopsy, face down.
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Speaker 2: I find that hard to believe it. That's according to reports.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and so understand this with with decomposition, Okay, it's
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Speaker 6: like I said, it's going to be diffused. And this
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Speaker 6: second autopsy, I don't know if people are aware of this,
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Speaker 6: but you can read through the report itself, and it's
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Speaker 6: very let's see, it's very very graphic in the sense
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Speaker 6: that this doctor that did that, did this case, that
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Speaker 6: did the follow up, he did such an extensive dissection here,
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Speaker 6: I'm talking about stuff that we don't normally do at autopsy.
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Speaker 6: He's done the back, he's done the buttocks, he's done
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Speaker 6: the backs of the legs, the arms, the hands, even
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Speaker 6: the back of the head. He went. He took this
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Speaker 6: even further than the people in Mississippi did. And this
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Speaker 6: is something that we normally do, so folks understand, this
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Speaker 6: is something we normally do with an in custody death.
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Speaker 3: All right?
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Speaker 6: Uh where where it is this extensive? And he doesn't
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Speaker 6: see anything from a himorrhagic standpoint like direct trauma. The
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Speaker 6: big question is this pattern on the back of his head.
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Speaker 6: And I'm calling it a pattern because of the way
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Speaker 6: he's demons traded this with his diagram on the back
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Speaker 6: of this thing. And he doesn't go into great detail
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Speaker 6: about that in the autopsy report, So how did it
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Speaker 6: get there?
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Speaker 2: What I want to know is all these witnesses are
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Speaker 2: right there, Brian Trasher. Don't like planes have a tail number.
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Speaker 2: Can't you identify who these boats are by their markings,
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Speaker 2: by their numbers, by their identification. They've got names written
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Speaker 2: on the side, they've got tail numbers, so to speak.
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Speaker 2: Have all of these people been brought in? I mean,
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Speaker 2: tell me how to identify a boat and how to
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Speaker 2: locate the driver and bring them in for questioning about
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Speaker 2: what happened that day, Because listen, Brian, the friends say
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Speaker 2: we left him with Katie. Katie apparently has been found
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Speaker 2: and says, no, he left with his friends. Okay, right there.
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Speaker 2: I've got a problem. How did everybody leave Gilligan on
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Speaker 2: the island waving hey, I'm here, and they all left him.
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Speaker 2: I find that hard to believe. I've got to find
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Speaker 2: out what precipitated him going into the water and how
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Speaker 2: that fits in with the marketing on the back of
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Speaker 2: his neck. Do you see where I'm going? Treasher?
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, and yes to answer your first question, you know
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Speaker 7: some of these boats just by the names people that
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Speaker 7: name the boats, and you can if you can detect
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Speaker 7: registration numbers, if it's registered in the state of Mississippi, that's
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Speaker 7: easy to find. I'm told that over sixty people have
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Speaker 7: been interviewed by law enforcement. I don't know who they
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Speaker 7: are or how they were brought in, but there was
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Speaker 7: a lot of interviews that have been conducted, and I'm
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Speaker 7: assuming there's going to be more. Yeah, with regards to
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Speaker 7: you know, what happened. That's that's always been the question.
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Speaker 7: That's why his parents want to know. There's just just
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Speaker 7: absolute black hole. From about four thirty pm on July
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Speaker 7: fourth until he washed up Monday morning, where nobody seems
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Speaker 7: to know anything. Nobody seemed to have seen anything. There's
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Speaker 7: conflicting stories, as you pointed out, from his friends and
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Speaker 7: people that saw him that day, about who he was
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Speaker 7: supposed to leave with. If you want to stay back
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Speaker 7: all that, it's all hearsay, it's all secondhand. And so yeah,
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Speaker 7: there is a massive hole in the story. And that's
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Speaker 7: why this has gotten national attention that it's gotten. As
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Speaker 7: far as the markings on his head, I mean, I
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Speaker 7: was told by some of the people who recovered the
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Speaker 7: body that it was obviously he had come in contact
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Speaker 7: with marine life while he was in the water. I'm
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Speaker 7: not sure if that's possible explanation of those markings.
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Speaker 8: I'm just telling you what I thought, So experts can wait. O, Brian, Brian,
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Speaker 8: hold on, Just Scott, I'm going to try to get
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Speaker 8: a quick answer from you on because it's valid.
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Speaker 2: What Treashure just said is valid because if there were
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Speaker 2: if his body had been attacked by marine life, you know, fish, turtles, whatever,
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Speaker 2: that would be all over the body. What we're talking
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Speaker 2: about is deep reddening of tissue, subcutaneous tissue on the
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Speaker 2: back of the head like the rest of the body.
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Speaker 2: So that is not the same as the decomp on
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Speaker 2: the rest of the body. I mean, why is it
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Speaker 2: so hard for everybody to get we've got a problem
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Speaker 2: with the back of the head. It's marked unlike any
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Speaker 2: other part of his body. And you said something very significant,
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, that the original medical examiner kept the
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Speaker 2: throat for a reason. Did he she keep the hand,
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Speaker 2: the fingers, the toes, No, because they weren't probative. They
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Speaker 2: didn't prove anything. The neck proved something. What what did
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Speaker 2: the neck prove? That's where I'm going help me.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, either to include or exclude any kind of
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Speaker 6: trauma that could have impeded his ability to breathe. There's
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Speaker 6: another part to this, Nancy, that I forgot to mention.
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Speaker 6: Relative to the neck, we have what are called strap
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Speaker 6: muscles that kind of lay over the center part of
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Speaker 6: the neck. What do we look for there, Well, that's
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Speaker 6: also where we see him relative to any kind of
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Speaker 6: pressure that's applied there, you'll see those. The doctor doesn't
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Speaker 6: mention anything about strap muscles because I think that those
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Speaker 6: were probably retained as well. Now back to the sea life.
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Speaker 6: I'm from Louisiana. I can tell you what type of
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Speaker 6: sea life would have affected his body, and if the
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Speaker 6: body was right there on the shore, it would be crabs.
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Speaker 6: And the reason I know that is because this is
22:23
Speaker 6: where they kind of feed, if you will, all right,
22:27
Speaker 6: So you don't hear any mention by the second medical
22:31
Speaker 6: examiner talking about any kind of degrading of the body
22:34
Speaker 6: as a result of contact with marine life that's feasting
22:37
Speaker 6: in post bortem state.
22:43
Speaker 11: We had roughly twenty to thirty people coming on three
22:48
Speaker 11: separate boats with us, and so we were all following
22:51
Speaker 11: each other out there as one big group.
22:53
Speaker 6: You know.
22:53
Speaker 11: It wasn't just me and Nolan and a couple of
22:56
Speaker 11: my buddies. There was twenty or thirty people spread out
22:59
Speaker 11: where we all met at the dock before and then
23:01
Speaker 11: we departed to go to Horne Island. It wasn't just
23:04
Speaker 11: a couple of us, I mean we were there were
23:06
Speaker 11: so many people we had to split up between three
23:07
Speaker 11: votes and we all left and all got there at
23:10
Speaker 11: the same time.
23:11
Speaker 2: And that is from our friends. I've read the Officer
23:14
Speaker 2: Tatum show, and that is Warren Hudson's an acquaintance of
23:18
Speaker 2: Nolan Wells. He was in the Horn Island group. Are
23:22
Speaker 2: you hearing what I'm hearing. Josh Coles Rude. I mean,
23:25
Speaker 2: I don't know if this happened to you in law school,
23:26
Speaker 2: but it makes you think differently out of that whole thing.
23:29
Speaker 2: I heard this. Twenty to thirty witnesses. Twenty to thirty witnesses.
23:36
Speaker 2: Josh Coles Rude, veteran trial lawyer, criminal defense attorney, former
23:39
Speaker 2: assistant US Attorney, Founder, Coles Rude Law Offices, and star
23:44
Speaker 2: podcast No Contest at Colesroodlawoffices dot Com. Twenty thirty witnesses.
23:50
Speaker 2: That's what I just heard.
23:52
Speaker 12: Absolutely, you know this is going to be a huge investigation.
23:57
Speaker 12: It already is. You know, one of the questions that
24:00
Speaker 12: I've seen online about the friends is that, you know,
24:05
Speaker 12: why do they leave him? But let me ask you
24:08
Speaker 12: something hard You know those that are saying that, you look,
24:11
Speaker 12: we're talking about you know, we're not talking about hardened men.
24:14
Speaker 12: These are teenagers, their kids. They're eighteen, nineteen years old
24:18
Speaker 12: on the water on the fourth of July. And you
24:21
Speaker 12: know what happens when a teenager experiences something traumatic. You know,
24:26
Speaker 12: they freeze, they panic, they go numb. Sometimes they cry,
24:30
Speaker 12: sometimes they don't. But you know what they're not they're
24:34
Speaker 12: not experts at like dredging the waterways. And you know,
24:39
Speaker 12: I know that the family wants answers from the friends,
24:43
Speaker 12: you know, and I get that. And you know, one
24:46
Speaker 12: of the family members said, you know, are they getting
24:48
Speaker 12: their lies straight when they went back to the mainland
24:53
Speaker 12: and called for a cab. But you know, we don't
24:57
Speaker 12: know what happened yet. And one of the things that
24:59
Speaker 12: I'm really looking forward to seeing is the data from
25:03
Speaker 12: the cell phones, right because that'll tell us exactly where
25:07
Speaker 12: everybody was at what point in time, and including hopefully
25:12
Speaker 12: the victim. Now you know, that's another question. You know,
25:15
Speaker 12: how did they obtain the victim's phone? Well, it was
25:18
Speaker 12: in one of the hands of his friends, So how
25:20
Speaker 12: did that come there? So, you know, there are a
25:23
Speaker 12: lot of answers. There's a lot of questions here, Nancy,
25:25
Speaker 12: that we need answers to. And right now, we don't
25:28
Speaker 12: know if it was an accident, We don't know if
25:30
Speaker 12: it was a death. We just don't know.
25:32
Speaker 2: Caitlin Becker, who called who that night? Did Mom call
25:38
Speaker 2: the friends, did the friends call the mom? How did
25:41
Speaker 2: mom end up looking for Nolan?
25:45
Speaker 9: It seems like Mom is on the case pretty immediately
25:51
Speaker 9: when Nolan didn't, she had him on Life three sixties,
25:53
Speaker 9: So I think that became the biggest kind of issue
25:57
Speaker 9: of where's my son, where's his phone? And the only
26:00
Speaker 9: think she could go off of is where's his phone,
26:02
Speaker 9: which she could locate through kind of Life three sixty
26:05
Speaker 9: where it was ping, So it seemed like she was
26:08
Speaker 9: on the hunt for the phone there, and from all
26:10
Speaker 9: of the accounts that we've been reporting on, the phones
26:14
Speaker 9: were left in the boat because they didn't take them
26:16
Speaker 9: to the shore. However, you can see all of those
26:19
Speaker 9: people were back and forth on the boat, so clearly
26:21
Speaker 9: they were using them, but the phone was on the
26:24
Speaker 9: boat that went back without Nolan first, so it seems
26:29
Speaker 9: that the friends took the phone with them to their house,
26:32
Speaker 9: and then that is what happened with it between then
26:35
Speaker 9: and when his mom got It seemed to be the
26:37
Speaker 9: question of where it was and who was touching it,
26:42
Speaker 9: who was using, what was done on it. But it
26:44
Speaker 9: seems like the location on the Life three sixty is
26:48
Speaker 9: how mom tracked down the phone when she realized that
26:53
Speaker 9: her son wasn't where he needed to be.
26:55
Speaker 2: So that night Nolan doesn't come home, Mom Christine starts
27:01
Speaker 2: looking for him. She is a family nurse practitioner. She
27:07
Speaker 2: starts looking for him. She looks on Life three sixty
27:10
Speaker 2: and follows it. You can get that on Life three sixties.
27:14
Speaker 2: Show me the route to the phone. And she did
27:18
Speaker 2: that to the friend's house that had all been out
27:21
Speaker 2: to Horn Island, and she's like, and she goes, where's
27:28
Speaker 2: no one? His phone's here, but he's not here, and
27:33
Speaker 2: they go, yeah, it's out there in the truck. So
27:35
Speaker 2: they wait fifteen minutes to go get the phone and
27:38
Speaker 2: come back with it. Everybody's just sitting there in the
27:41
Speaker 2: dark watching TV. Nobody said, hey, where's no one? Nobody
27:46
Speaker 2: said that until she came over looking for the phone.
27:51
Speaker 9: Which could kind of point to if I'm hearing it, it
27:54
Speaker 9: could kind of point to two things.
27:55
Speaker 13: I know.
27:55
Speaker 9: There is a plenty. There's a huge faction online saying
27:57
Speaker 9: what are they doing? What are they covering up? What
27:59
Speaker 9: are they doing? But then on the flip of that,
28:01
Speaker 9: just to play Devil's advocate, if you don't think there's
28:04
Speaker 9: anything wrong with your friend, if you assumed your pal
28:06
Speaker 9: was in another boat with another group of friends, why
28:09
Speaker 9: would you even think to be concerned about that? Until
28:11
Speaker 9: his mom comes knocking at the door and says, where's
28:13
Speaker 9: my son? So, I mean, like the teen behavior. It
28:16
Speaker 9: reminds me so much of the teen or the young
28:20
Speaker 9: people in the Idaho order can just looking at them
28:21
Speaker 9: to be like, why are they not reacting the way
28:24
Speaker 9: you would think someone would react in a situation.
28:27
Speaker 10: And while the circumstances are so wildly different.
28:29
Speaker 9: I think we have to remember that we're talking about,
28:32
Speaker 9: you know, teenagers here and teenagers who were leaving in
28:35
Speaker 9: a large group, who admittedly were drinking, who were part
28:38
Speaker 9: partying in three separate boats. So I think it might
28:42
Speaker 9: have been easy to lose track of one another. That
28:44
Speaker 9: doesn't explain anything, though, That doesn't explain why no one
28:47
Speaker 9: out of one person out of that twenty to thirty
28:49
Speaker 9: said to themselves where the heck is Nolan. I mean,
28:52
Speaker 9: if you and I were out with twenty to thirty
28:53
Speaker 9: of our friends, someone at some point probably would have raised,
28:56
Speaker 9: you know, scratched their head and said, where's Nancy?
28:58
Speaker 10: Have you heard from Nancy all day? If it had
29:00
Speaker 10: gone to that point of the night.
29:02
Speaker 14: I assume his phone had a password. There are certain
29:04
Speaker 14: things that you need the password to do, such as
29:07
Speaker 14: delete activity. But if you don't have a password and
29:10
Speaker 14: you pick up your phone. If you're touching the screen,
29:13
Speaker 14: that leaves a trace. If you're trying to power it off,
29:16
Speaker 14: that leaves a trace. So we should be able to
29:18
Speaker 14: see people without a password trying to actively interact with
29:22
Speaker 14: that phone as well as someone that has it. So
29:24
Speaker 14: we would do a forensic acquisition, and that's really important here.
29:27
Speaker 14: Someone just looking in the phone, you can get a glimpse,
29:30
Speaker 14: but you can't see what's deleted and hiding below the surface.
29:33
Speaker 14: We need a forensic acquisition to do that. We can
29:36
Speaker 14: tell if it was just soft deleted, so like sitting
29:39
Speaker 14: in a trash can or a hard delete. So if
29:42
Speaker 14: you empty your trash on your phone and then you
29:44
Speaker 14: go and throw it into a dumpster and the trash
29:46
Speaker 14: is taken away, there is a log that tracks everything
29:50
Speaker 14: also with timestamps on when that activity occurred. If you
29:53
Speaker 14: get a full filesystem acquisition and I realized that's really nerdy,
29:57
Speaker 14: but this is where acquisition and time to evidence matters.
30:00
Speaker 14: Deleted data exists and sits there for a period of time,
30:05
Speaker 14: so time to evidence is everything here. Apple's more forgiving,
30:08
Speaker 14: and you have about thirty days with Android, you could
30:12
Speaker 14: have just a few days until location artifacts are purged.
30:15
Speaker 2: That's Heather Barnhart, digital forensics expert.
30:24
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
30:29
Speaker 2: To Dave Mac. I want to before we launch into
30:33
Speaker 2: the phone tracking in the phone investigation, I want to
30:37
Speaker 2: clarify something I understood that Warren Hudson, one of Nolan's friends,
30:45
Speaker 2: called the mom around eleven oh seven, telling her Nolan
30:51
Speaker 2: was missing. Now, which is it, did the mom call
30:54
Speaker 2: the friends or follow the Life three sixty or did
30:58
Speaker 2: the friend, Warren Hudson call the mom.
31:02
Speaker 15: Christine Wansley, Nolan's mother, says she received a phone call
31:07
Speaker 15: from Warren Hudson. Now she identified him by first name
31:11
Speaker 15: during one of the press conferences and interviews. Okay, now
31:15
Speaker 15: she has not disclosed what the entire details of that
31:18
Speaker 15: call were, but we know that right after that conversation
31:23
Speaker 15: from Warren calling Christine, that Christine contacted a friend who
31:28
Speaker 15: had two sons who had also been with Nolan to
31:31
Speaker 15: ask if they had seen him. It was after that
31:34
Speaker 15: call that the family began checking Nolan's location through Life
31:38
Speaker 15: three point sixty and snapchat, and that's where we end
31:41
Speaker 15: up with the discrepancy of locations.
31:44
Speaker 2: We also learned tonight the FBI has been called in.
31:49
Speaker 10: Anything you know? Okay, are y'all?
31:52
Speaker 16: Can I confirm that y'all our working with the FBI
31:54
Speaker 16: with the case, yes, okay, Any other agencies that you're
31:57
Speaker 16: working with at this time?
31:59
Speaker 3: All right?
31:59
Speaker 16: And is this is still under investigation?
32:01
Speaker 6: Actively under investigation?
32:03
Speaker 2: Okay?
32:03
Speaker 16: So I was told by district attorney everything is going
32:05
Speaker 16: through her office at this time and everything.
32:08
Speaker 6: Else should be referenced to the attorney's office.
32:10
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, Caitlin Becker joining me, Senior national correspondent,
32:14
Speaker 2: New York Post. I just learned two very important things.
32:16
Speaker 2: Number one, the FBI is involved why? And number two
32:22
Speaker 2: at the outset, I understand that local law enforcement first
32:27
Speaker 2: said that no foul play is suspected. It was a
32:31
Speaker 2: simple drowning, if there is such a thing. But now
32:34
Speaker 2: the FBI is in and everything's being referred to the
32:39
Speaker 2: district attorney. Is that correct?
32:44
Speaker 9: From what we understand, our reporting says the exact same
32:47
Speaker 9: thing that the district attorney is dealing with. Everything this
32:50
Speaker 9: is going to go to a grand jury, which we
32:53
Speaker 9: understand is very.
32:53
Speaker 10: Typical questionally in this area.
32:55
Speaker 9: I think it's typical pretty much everywhere if you have
32:57
Speaker 9: a suspicious, unnatural death, that something would go to a
33:00
Speaker 9: brand jury. The local police do seem like they may
33:03
Speaker 9: have jumped the gun in calling this a simple drowning
33:07
Speaker 9: with however exactly that they worded it, you know, just
33:09
Speaker 9: a drowning.
33:10
Speaker 10: With no foul play suspective.
33:11
Speaker 9: That doesn't say there was no foul play at all,
33:14
Speaker 9: or there couldn't be, or they're not investigating. But to
33:16
Speaker 9: just write this office no foul play suspected off the bat,
33:20
Speaker 9: I think got everyone's kind of hackles up. And I
33:23
Speaker 9: think that's a particularly something that the family didn't want
33:26
Speaker 9: to hear. You have a strong swimmer, young guy, athletic
33:30
Speaker 9: person who went.
33:31
Speaker 10: Out, didn't come home, and no one.
33:34
Speaker 9: Had saw him struggling. You didn't see him go in
33:36
Speaker 9: the water and struggle. That's a simple drowning. We saw
33:39
Speaker 9: someone go in, we try to help, they drown. That
33:42
Speaker 9: to me is a case closed, simple drowning. But now
33:45
Speaker 9: the FEDS are involved in the FBI is involved, perhaps
33:49
Speaker 9: because there is more to it than it seems right.
33:53
Speaker 2: Josh callsred, I got a question for you. The FBI
33:56
Speaker 2: is now part of this investigation. That is significant. The
34:01
Speaker 2: FBI is only brought in under certain circumstances, that is
34:05
Speaker 2: within the state jurisdiction. And this thing has mushroomed from
34:10
Speaker 2: no foul play suspected to the DA is handling all
34:15
Speaker 2: of this, and I'd like to point out that the
34:17
Speaker 2: sheriff was not responding. Well, guess what, everybody, when I
34:23
Speaker 2: would be besieged by reporters when I was prosecuting case,
34:27
Speaker 2: You're not at liberty to comment on an ongoing investigation.
34:32
Speaker 2: As much as we on the outside looking in feel stymied,
34:36
Speaker 2: I'm surprised the law enforcement officer even stopped to talk
34:40
Speaker 2: to the journalist WDSU because they shouldn't be revealing evidence,
34:47
Speaker 2: So don't make it look like he's hiding in his office.
34:51
Speaker 2: He should not be revealing evidence. That said address. This
34:57
Speaker 2: is now at the district attorney level, and the FBI
35:00
Speaker 2: is in. That's what I need you for, Coles Rude.
35:03
Speaker 12: Yeah, so great question. So let's separate the two. The
35:06
Speaker 12: district attorney works for the state, the FBI works for
35:10
Speaker 12: the US Attorney's office. Now, just because there's a homicide
35:14
Speaker 12: does not make this a federal case. So ask yourselves,
35:17
Speaker 12: why would the FBI be here? Well, there's two possible reasons.
35:20
Speaker 12: Number one, we know that the family has hired a
35:24
Speaker 12: very prominent civil rights attorney, and there might be a
35:28
Speaker 12: civil rights component here, and civil rights always includes the
35:33
Speaker 12: federal government. So if, for example, there is an allegation
35:38
Speaker 12: that the local law enforcement didn't do something, or there's
35:41
Speaker 12: a racial component to them not doing something, that of
35:45
Speaker 12: course can bring in the US Attorney's office. The second
35:48
Speaker 12: reason the FBI could be brought in is that this
35:52
Speaker 12: small town just can't needs help with his resources, right,
35:56
Speaker 12: they don't have the manpower for this type of investigation.
36:00
Speaker 12: And we've already seen that they've had a couple of
36:01
Speaker 12: missteps with the media, like you just said, where they
36:04
Speaker 12: want to be closed lips lipped with the investigate without.
36:09
Speaker 10: Giving some time.
36:10
Speaker 2: Just missteps with the media. They said this was a
36:19
Speaker 2: natural causes accident, no foul play. That's more than a misstep.
36:26
Speaker 2: That's a CEOD cause of death, matter of death. Okay,
36:30
Speaker 2: the FBI has been brought into work with law enforcement.
36:35
Speaker 2: And you know what, doctor Bethany Marshall joining me, renowned
36:39
Speaker 2: psychoanalystside of LA she's the author, She's on Bravo, she's
36:42
Speaker 2: on Peacock Starving you hit podcast on the Counch with
36:46
Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall. You know, I don't like the way
36:48
Speaker 2: Colsrude just said that they're from a small town they
36:52
Speaker 2: need help. Well, you know what, not every jurisdiction is
36:56
Speaker 2: New York, LA, Houston, Atlanta. They don't have this type
37:02
Speaker 2: of investigation all the time. So I commend them for
37:07
Speaker 2: bringing in the FBI. Okay, that said doctor Bethany, I
37:14
Speaker 2: want to find out if every single person has been
37:17
Speaker 2: brought in and questioned separately. I want to hear your
37:21
Speaker 2: take on what you're seeing, Hey, Nancy.
37:26
Speaker 13: In terms of poles Rute, he gets paid a lot
37:28
Speaker 13: of money to muddy the waters, so at least he's
37:30
Speaker 13: doing his job in there's very important behavioral evidence that
37:35
Speaker 13: is not being discussed. I don't hear it online in
37:38
Speaker 13: any news reports, and that is is their empathy for
37:43
Speaker 13: the victim in a forensic interview. That's one of the
37:46
Speaker 13: number one things we look for, is like, oh my god,
37:49
Speaker 13: where did he go? Somehow we lost sight of him.
37:53
Speaker 13: In the online chowder, there's a lot of digital evidence.
37:56
Speaker 13: Here are the kids communicating back and forth saying, I
38:00
Speaker 13: don't know, did we lose him?
38:02
Speaker 2: What happened.
38:03
Speaker 13: He was my best friend. I can't sleep, you know.
38:08
Speaker 2: That is what we.
38:09
Speaker 13: Want to look for in terms of innocence. In terms
38:13
Speaker 13: of guilt, what we would look for is lack of
38:16
Speaker 13: empathy towards the victim, like he was always drinking too much.
38:21
Speaker 13: It's his fault, he didn't get on the boat. We
38:24
Speaker 13: never liked him anyway, attempts to rationalize, attempts to form
38:30
Speaker 13: a cohesive story amongst co conspirators.
38:34
Speaker 10: That is going to come out in the.
38:36
Speaker 13: Digital evidence, because at this point, I'm sure the investigators
38:42
Speaker 13: have separated every possible perpetrator.
38:46
Speaker 2: Jo Scott. Also missing in addition to the neck are
38:49
Speaker 2: the lungs. Don't you think that would be an important
38:52
Speaker 2: aspect of a potential drowning case.
38:56
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it is. And just so that we understand,
38:59
Speaker 6: those lungs have been dissected. So there was an organ
39:02
Speaker 6: bag that came with the body to DC, the attending
39:07
Speaker 6: that the family retained actually did histo samples from all
39:11
Speaker 6: of the tissues there. He even states that in his report. Now,
39:15
Speaker 6: I think that what he is saying and what you
39:18
Speaker 6: have to understand, there's no way after following an autopsy,
39:22
Speaker 6: an initial autopsy that you can see the lungs intact.
39:26
Speaker 6: They have to be dissected. They've been previously dissected. Those
39:29
Speaker 6: lungs probably accompanied the body in that back, unless, of
39:34
Speaker 6: course they've retained the lungs as well, and that remains
39:37
Speaker 6: to be seen at this point.
39:39
Speaker 2: Dave mac joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter. Can he
39:42
Speaker 2: shed any light on it? Dave?
39:44
Speaker 15: See, what we're saying is that doctor Roger Mitchell, who
39:48
Speaker 15: was the independent pathologist doing the second autopsy on Nollan,
39:52
Speaker 15: reported that he did not have access to the lungs
39:56
Speaker 15: or airway structures when conducting. The family requested independent autom.
40:01
Speaker 2: The lungs the neck very disturbing. They are critical. They've
40:07
Speaker 2: got to be analyzed by the independent medical examiner. And
40:11
Speaker 2: that's not saying the first medical examiner was wrong, but
40:15
Speaker 2: that's going to hold the key to the cause and
40:18
Speaker 2: manner of death, I believe. And back to you, Brian Trasher,
40:23
Speaker 2: what can you tell me about an offer to the
40:26
Speaker 2: family regarding cadaver dogs.
40:30
Speaker 7: Yeah, so, you know, obviously the online chatter started right away.
40:34
Speaker 7: People were coming up with all kind of bizarre theories
40:36
Speaker 7: about how he was. You know, he came back to
40:38
Speaker 7: the island. He took him back out there and bumped
40:40
Speaker 7: them all this kind of stuff. So we just said, hey,
40:42
Speaker 7: one of our top you know, canine teams happens to
40:45
Speaker 7: be in Jackson, Mississippi. Jackson County, Mississippi, Jackson County. Canine
40:49
Speaker 7: is their name. I said, we'll be happy to have
40:51
Speaker 7: these cadaver dogs go over and inspect the boat. And
40:54
Speaker 7: we told this to Krunch legal team, and so we'll
40:57
Speaker 7: have him to inspect the boat and they'll be able
40:58
Speaker 7: to tell if there's COMP on that boat. And they said, oh, well,
41:01
Speaker 7: we heard they cleaned the boat. I said, now, there's
41:03
Speaker 7: only one chemical that you could you could possibly get
41:06
Speaker 7: rid of DCOMP with, and I guarantee these people don't
41:08
Speaker 7: know what it is, so there's no way they could
41:11
Speaker 7: be a month later. These dogs would be able to
41:12
Speaker 7: smell the d COMP and they would also have Nolan
41:15
Speaker 7: sent if he was actually he was.
41:16
Speaker 3: On the boat alive.
41:17
Speaker 7: But they would also know if there was a dead
41:18
Speaker 7: body on that boat. And they declined, they said, no,
41:21
Speaker 7: we don't think so, so I'm not I'm not sure
41:23
Speaker 7: why they didn't want to dispell that right away. We
41:26
Speaker 7: would have known right away if the dead body had
41:28
Speaker 7: been on that boat.
41:29
Speaker 2: Okay, Crump, why aren't you allowing the cadaver dog team
41:34
Speaker 2: onto that boat? We need to know, you know, Brian Trasure,
41:39
Speaker 2: you made it sound very mysterious. What is the solution
41:44
Speaker 2: is to get rid of human decomposition?
41:48
Speaker 7: I'm not going to say that on the air. It
41:49
Speaker 7: might be somebody watching. It's trying to hide a dead
41:51
Speaker 7: body as we speak.
41:52
Speaker 2: But people, are you refering to mariadic acid?
41:57
Speaker 7: No, it's it's it's a it's a specific kind of
42:00
Speaker 7: product that's on the market that is used. Matter of fact,
42:02
Speaker 7: some of our team just went through a training in
42:04
Speaker 7: Texas and one of the things they did was show
42:06
Speaker 7: them how to, you know, clean out a vehicle or
42:10
Speaker 7: something that had decomp on it with this particular solution.
42:13
Speaker 7: And they would have had to take screws off, and
42:15
Speaker 7: they would have had to be very detailed if they
42:17
Speaker 7: were trying to hide something. So there's virtually no way
42:19
Speaker 7: that the dogs would.
42:20
Speaker 3: Not have picked this up.
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Speaker 2: Did they give any explanation as to why they didn't
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Speaker 2: want the cadaver dogs on the boat? There could be
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Speaker 2: an explanation. Did they give one?
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Speaker 3: Not to us?
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Speaker 7: They didn't know we just assumed that that. You know, Again,
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Speaker 7: I'm speculating, but if we would have known right away
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Speaker 7: that there was no dead body on that boat, it
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Speaker 7: might have defeated some narratives that were being pushed out
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Speaker 7: there at the time.
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Speaker 2: The investigation goes on and for all of the detractors
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Speaker 2: on either side, we're not stopping. So you're wasting your
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Speaker 2: time as the case is being built. Remember, if you
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Speaker 2: know or think you know anything regarding this case, please
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Speaker 2: dial two two eight seven six' nine three zero six.
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Speaker 2: Three if this were your, child wouldn't you want the,
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Speaker 2: answers even if it brings down the roof of the?
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Speaker 2: COURTHOUSE i. Would tonight we remember An american, Hero Sergeant Jeremy,
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Speaker 2: Brown Clark County Sheriff's, washington shot in the line of,
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Speaker 2: duty leaving behind Wife jill and five. Children american Hero
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Speaker 2: Sergeant Jeremy. Brown thank you to our, guest but especially
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Speaker 2: to you for being with us. Tonight Nancy grave signing
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Speaker 2: off for, tonight But i'll see you tomorrow, night and until,
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Speaker 2: then good, night.
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Speaker 4: Friend