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The Mystery of Missing and Dead Scientists, Explained · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Picture this. It's the spring of twenty twenty six, and
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you open your phone. Maybe you're just you know, waiting
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in line for coffee, you're sitting on.
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Speaker 2: The train, right, just a normal day.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, But your social media feeds are completely dominated by
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the exact same chilling story. I mean, the headlines are
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just everywhere.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they really were, and.
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Speaker 1: They're painting this picture that feels like it was ripped
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straight out of a paranoid Cold war thriller. We're talking
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thirteen brilliant, highly specialized US.
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Speaker 2: Scientists, the best of the best, really.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, people working on hypersonics, nuclear plasma, advanced aerospace propulsion,
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dark matter, and they've all just suddenly turned.
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Speaker 2: Up dead or they've just vanished without a trace.
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Speaker 1: Right, And we are not talking about some obscure, isolated
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research facility in the middle of nowhere.
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Speaker 2: No, the scale of this panic was what made it
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so incredibly infectious. I mean, the names being thrown around
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were associated with the absolute crown jewels of American scientific research.
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Speaker 1: We're talking NASA's Jet Laboratory.
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Speaker 2: JPL exactly, and Los Alamos National Laboratory MIT Caltech.
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Speaker 1: The brightest minds in the country, the people holding the
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keys to our technological future, seemingly being picked off one
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by one.
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Speaker 2: It was wild, and the panic didn't stay contained to
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dark web message boards or like fringe forums. It broke
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containment massively.
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Speaker 1: Oh, it reached the absolute highest levels of the government.
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You had lawmakers in Congress standing up on the floor,
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holding press conferences and literally demanding immediate answers.
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Speaker 2: The FBI was pressured into formally looking into the connections.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Even President Donald Trump weighed in on the situation,
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calling it pretty serious stuff, while publicly stating that he
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hoped it was all just random.
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Speaker 2: Which actually brings up something we should probably clarify it
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right out of the gate. Good point, because we are
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going to be discussing a cultural moment that involved highly
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polarized figures. We really need to set the parameters for
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this conversation.
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Speaker 1: Right So, just as a quick aside, while this story
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have involves quotes and reactions from politicians across the spectrum.
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Speaker 2: Everyone from President Trump to members of Congress like Representative
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Eric Burlison.
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Speaker 1: Right exactly, But our goal today isn't about politics. We
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aren't endorsing any political viewpoints, right wing, left wing, or
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anything in between. Absolutely not our mission today for this
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deep dive is entirely about peeling back the layers of
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this narrative. Yeah, we want to see how these massive
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cultural theories actually take root.
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Speaker 2: We are essentially acting as your guides to cut through
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that deafening Internet noise, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: To bypass the viral conspiracy videos and really understand the
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mechanics of this whole phenomena.
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Speaker 2: Because we want to get to the absolute bedrock of
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the psychology. Here, the real explanation we are going to
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uncover today is honestly far more fascinating and profoundly more
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human than any sci fi spy thriller.
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Speaker 1: Oh, without a doubt.
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Speaker 2: We are going to unpack the architecture of human belief,
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focusing heavily on two core concepts. One is patnicity and
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the other is base neglect.
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Speaker 1: Patternicity and base rate neglect.
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Speaker 2: Okay, these are the invisible forces that basically hijack our
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logic when we are presented with scary information.
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Speaker 1: So let's dive into the timeline. I mean, every massive
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forest fire starts with a single spark, exactly, and in
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early twenty twenty six, that spark was the disappearance of
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Major General William Neil mccaslan. This was the absolute catalyst.
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Speaker 2: He was a highly decorated sixty eight year old retired
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Air Force commander, and the circumstances surrounding his disappearance provided
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the absolute perfect raw material for an Internet mystery.
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Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, let's just put ourselves in the shoes
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of someone just scrolling through Twitter or TikTok for a second. Sure,
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you see the raw details of this case, and it
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is incredible. He leaves his glasses so he can't be
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easily identified, or maybe because he knows he won't be
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reading anything where he's going, and he takes a gun.
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Speaker 2: It literally sounds like the opening ten minutes of a
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Jason Bourne movie.
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Speaker 1: Right. And you add to that the fact that McCaslin
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formally worked on hypersonics and advanced propulsion for the Air
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Force Research Laboratory.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the kicker.
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Speaker 1: You look at that and think, well, why shouldn't people
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be suspicious? It looks exactly like a covert extraction or
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a desperate man going off the grid to protect state secrets.
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Speaker 2: It looks exactly like that, provided you completely strip away
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the context of his actual life and what is so
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deeply revealing about how the public consumed this story. Is
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how quickly everyone just ignored the mundane, painful reality of
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this man's existence in.
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Speaker 1: Favor of the blockbuster movie script.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. You mean the details that ruin the spy fantasy basically, right. Yeah, First,
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let's look at the cornerstone of the conspiracy, which is
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his knowledge of hypersonics.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this.
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Speaker 2: Hypersonic weapons. These are missiles that travel at five times
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the speed of sound and can maneuver unpredictably. They are
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the current holy grail of global defense.
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Speaker 1: Which is terrifying, honestly it is.
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Speaker 2: And the Internet sleuths focused entirely on this. What they
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can veniently or you know, perhaps deliberately glossed over is
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the timeline. Mccaslyn had been retired for thirteen years.
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Speaker 1: Wait, thirteen years. In aerospace engineering, thirteen years is like
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multiple lifetimes exactly.
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Speaker 2: The technology they were working on thirteen years ago is
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practically ancient history compared to what's happening in classified labs today.
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His security clearances were long expired. He was not walking
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around in twenty twenty six harboring the latest cutting edge
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secrets of the United States military.
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Speaker 1: He was a retired man, So the whole spy premise
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falls apart on the timeline alone.
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Speaker 2: It does, but the far more tragic element of the
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story comes from the people who actually knew him best.
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When you look at the statements provided by his wife,
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she painted this heartbreakingly clear, intimate picture of his state
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of mind.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, what does she say?
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Speaker 2: She told investigators that she suspected he quote planned not
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to be found.
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Speaker 1: Uh, which completely shatters the idea of a foreign kidnapping completely.
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Speaker 2: It shifts the entire narrative from a geopolitical thrill to
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a deeply personal, devastating family tragedy. Yeah, she went into
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agonizing detail, citing that he was suffering from severe short
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term memory loss, crippling anxiety, and a host of other
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debilitating medical issues. That's awful, it is, And if we
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connect this to the broader picture of human psychology, it
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shows a profound lack of empathy and how we consume
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tragedy online. The public actively ignored the excruciating, everyday reality
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of cognitive decline.
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Speaker 1: Because cognitive decline is a terrifying reality that millions of
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families deal with, but it doesn't offer a thrilling mystery
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to solve it. Just offers sadness.
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Speaker 2: Right, a foreign hit squad stealing hypersonic secrets gives the
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Internet a puzzle. It gives them a villain.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, people love a villain.
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Speaker 2: But a sixty eight year old man terrified of losing
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his memory and struggling with anxiety, who walks into the
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vast New Mexico desert with a revolver that is just
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a human tragedy to be mourned, And the collective Internet
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shows the thriller over the tragedy because it is fundamentally
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more entertaining and less emotionally taxing to engage with.
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Speaker 1: And once that thriller narrative was firmly established in the
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cultural zeitgeist with McCasland, it became this incredibly distorted lens. Yes,
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I mean the Internet started viewing every single tragedy, every death,
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every accident in the scientific community through this specific spy
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thriller filter.
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Speaker 2: It's like they had a template now exactly.
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Speaker 1: They started co opting entirely natural, completely personal deaths and
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forcefully shoving them into this imaginary sensitive research purge box.
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They essentially created a roster of victims, a.
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Speaker 2: List of names curated specifically to prove that a pattern existed.
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Speaker 1: So let's walk through the individuals who were forced onto
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this roster, because I think it is absolutely vital to
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pull them out of the conspiracy matrix and restore their
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actual humanity.
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Speaker 2: I completely agree.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with Michael David Hicks. He was fifty nine
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years old, an incredibly respected planetary scientist at the Jet
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Propulsion Laboratory JPIL. Yeah, this is a man who debt
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his life to studying asteroids and comets. He even contributed
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to the Dart mission.
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Speaker 2: Oh, the Double Asteroid Redirection Test. That was an incredibly
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vital mission for planetary defense where NASA essentially crashed a
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spacecraft into an asteroid see if we could alter its trajectory.
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It was a massive triumph of modern science.
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Speaker 1: An absolutely brilliant career, and then on July thirty, twenty
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twenty three, he passed away. Instantly, the Internet pointed to
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his death as undeniable proof of a targeted purge of
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JPL scientists, but the Los Angeles County Corners report was
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completely unambiguous. Michael Hicks died of Arterio's, sclerotic cardiovascular disease.
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Speaker 2: He had a fatal heart attack, and this is where
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we encountered the first massive psychological blind spot that drove
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this entire panic. It's a cognitive bias known as base
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rate and neglect.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack that, because I think it explained so
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much about how we process the news. What is beast
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rate neglect?
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Speaker 2: Base rate and neglect occurs when people are presented with
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a vivid, specific anecdote or an emotionally charged story, and
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in their focus on that specific story, they completely ignore
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the massive, overwhelming statistical probabilities that exist in the background.
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The background statistics are the base rate.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I see. It makes me think of how people
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approach flying versus driving.
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Speaker 2: That's a perfect example, right.
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Speaker 1: You have people who are absolutely paralyzed by the fear
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of getting on a commercial airplane. They read one vivid
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news story about turbulence or an engine issue, and they
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absolutely refuse.
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Speaker 2: To fly, even though it's incredibly safe.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, But those same people will get into their car,
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jump on a massive highway going seventy five miles an hour,
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and text their friends without a second thought. They completely
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neglect the base rate, which is that tens of thousands
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of people dyeing car crashes every year. While commercial aviation
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is statistically the safest form of travel ever invented.
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Speaker 2: That is the perfect analogy. The vivid fear of the
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plane crash overrides the boring statistical reality of the car crash. Right,
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So when we apply base rate neglect to Michael Hicks,
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we have to look at the boring statistical reality.
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Speaker 1: Of heart disease, which is pretty grim.
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Speaker 2: It is. In the United States alone, heart disease claims
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over nine hundred thousand lives every single year.
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Speaker 1: Wait, really, almost a million.
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Speaker 2: Let that number sink in nearly a million people. It
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is the absolute leading cause of death in the country.
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Speaker 1: So if you just do the raw math, if you
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take any large population of professionals, whether they are plumbers,
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high school teachers, or rocket scientists at JPL, a certain
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predictable percentage of them are going to tragically pass away
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from cardiovascular issues every single year.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. The base rate of heart disease is astronomically high.
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But when the internet algorithms pushed the headline JPL scientists
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found dead, the audience completely neglected that massive statistical base rate.
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Speaker 1: They didn't see a fifty nine year old man succumbing
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to the nation's leading killer.
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Speaker 2: No, they only saw the vivid anecdote a scientist working
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on space missions died. Therefore it must be a conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: And the most furiating part of this is how it
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impacts the families.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's devastating when you look at the interviews.
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Speaker 1: Hicks's own daughter, Julia, spoke to the media. She literally
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laughed at the conspiracy links because they were so absurd
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to anyone who actually knew her father.
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Speaker 2: She knew the reality right.
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Speaker 1: She stated very clearly that she didn't understand the connection
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at all, saying there's no train of logic. Just imagine
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the profound cruelty of that.
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Speaker 2: It's terrible.
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Speaker 1: You are grieving the sudden loss of your father to
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a heart attack, you're planning a funeral, and you have
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to log online to see thousands of strangers claiming he
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was assassinated by a foreign government over comet research.
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Speaker 2: It basically forces the family to defend their loved ones
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mundane mortality against a mob demanding a blockbuster narrative.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you have a case that highlights a
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different but equally heartbreaking reality, Amy Eskridge.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Amy's case is very sad.
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Speaker 1: She was only thirty four years old. She was the
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president of the Institute for Exotic Science in Alabama, and
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her research interests leaned into some very fringe, highly speculative areas.
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Speaker 2: Things like anti gravity and electrostatic propulsion.
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Speaker 1: Right. And she died in June twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: Two, and the local police in Birmingham conducted an investigation
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and ruled her death a suicide by a self inflicted
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gunshot wound.
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Speaker 1: You know, this pecivic case really brings to mind how
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society treats massive celebrities or public figures. How do you mean, Well,
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when someone who is incredibly famous, or in this instance
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so in brilliant, who is associated with cutting edge mysterious
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physics experience as a tragedy, we instantly assume they must
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have had some profound, overarching, cinematic reason for it.
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Speaker 2: Oh I see.
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Speaker 1: We assume the cause of their death must be as
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complex and dramatic as the work they did.
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Speaker 2: We really struggle to accept that exceptional people can be
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undone by ordinary pain. We want the magnitude of the
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cause to match the magnitude of the person's status in
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our minds.
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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. We completely forget that brilliant physicists, aerospace engineers,
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and visionaries suffer from crime, physical pain, from clinical depression,
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and from the exact same human frailties as anyone working
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at a grocery store.
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Speaker 2: It's so true.
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Speaker 1: Eskridge's family eventually released a post mortem statement, and they
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were very open about her struggles. They talked about her
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ongoing severe cronic pain.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, her own father spoke to the media to try
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and kill the rumors, and he gave this incredibly grounding,
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sobering quote.
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Speaker 1: Well it was it.
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Speaker 2: He said, scientists die also just like other people.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: That quote is the ultimate antidote to this entire conspiracy.
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The police found absolutely zero evidence linking her speculative work
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to any classified government programs.
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Speaker 1: So no secret anti gravity drives.
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Speaker 2: She wasn't working on a secret military anti gravity drive.
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She was an independent researcher dealing with profound personal and
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physical pain. Yet online sleuth decided her tragic suicide was
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actually a sophisticated silencing technique because she was getting too
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close to the truth.
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Speaker 1: It's just wild and the roster just keeps pulling in
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these deeply personal tragedies. You have Jason Thomas. He is
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a forty five year old assistant director of chemical biology
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at Nevardies. He accidentally drowned in Lake Quana Poet in Massachusetts, and.
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Speaker 2: The medical examiner did a full investigation and ruled no
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foul play.
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Speaker 1: Right, But the internet conspiracy mill completely ignored the vital context.
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Thomas was in the midst of extreme emotional distress and
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deep depression following the devastating loss of both of his parents.
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Oh Man, he was a man drowning in grief before
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he ever stepped near the water.
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Speaker 2: They strip away his grief because grief doesn't fit the
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pattern of a government hit squad exactly.
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Speaker 1: Then there is Frank Maywald, a sixty one year old
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JPL engineer. He died of natural causes, and his family
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understandably simply wanted to keep the specific medical details private, which.
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Speaker 2: Is a fundamental basic right of any grieving family.
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Speaker 1: Of course, it is.
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Speaker 2: But to a mind that is actively seeking a conspiracy.
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A family requesting privacy is immediately weaponized. No comment is
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interpreted as government gag order. Privacy is interpreted as a
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cover up.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've established the medical and personal side illness, depression,
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chronic pain. These explain a massive portion of the deaths
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on this supposed kill list.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they do.
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Speaker 1: But if I'm an Internet sleuth listening to this, my
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counter argument is already locked and loaded. I'm going to say, fine,
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I can see the heart attacks, I can see the
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natural causes, But what about the people who completely vanished
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off the face of the earth. People don't just vaporize
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the thing is, except they actually do constantly, and it
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has everything to do with how we fundamentally underestimate the
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American landscape.
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Speaker 2: The reality of the American wilderness is perhaps the most
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misunderstood element of this entire saga.
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Speaker 1: Let's look at the specific cases of the missing scientists.
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You have Monica Jacinta Resa. She was a sixty year
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old metaler just working in GPL right. She vanished while
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hiking with experienced companions in the Angelus National Forest, specifically.
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Speaker 2: Near Mount Waterman, a notoriously tough area.
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Speaker 1: Then you have Stephen Garcia, a forty seven year old
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contract property custodian at the Kansas City National Security Campus.
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He left his belongings behind and walked off into a
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wilderness area with a handgun.
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Speaker 2: There are also the cases of Melissa Casius fifty three
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and Anthony Chavez seventy eight, both associated with Los Alamos
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National Laboratory in New Mexico.
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Speaker 1: Let's separate those out really quickly. Actually, the investigation Indicasias
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showed she was suffering from severe financial stress, and law
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enforcement suggests she likely left voluntarily to escape her life situation. Right,
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And Chavez is an open missing person's case with zero
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indication of foul play. But let's focus intensely on the
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wilderness aspect, specifically Monica Jacinto Reza at Mount Waterman. How
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does a sixty year old woman hiking with a group
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just vanish into thin air?
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Speaker 2: To understand that, we have to look at the staggering
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data regarding missing persons and we have to really respect
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the absolute brutality of nature.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hit me with the scats.
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Speaker 2: In the United States alone, law enforcement agencies receive roughly
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five hundred thousand missing persons reports every single year.
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Speaker 1: Half a million people reported missing annually. That is mind blowing.
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Speaker 2: Now, a vast majority of those are resolved quickly, runaways,
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returning home, miscommunications, but the sheer volume is immense, and
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when we narrow that focus down to wilderness areas and
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national parks, the numbers are sobering. How many between twelve
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hundred and sixteen hundred people go missing in US national
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parks alone every single year.
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Speaker 1: So you were talking about three to four human beings
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vanishing into the woods, the mountains, or the desert every
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single day in this country.
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Speaker 2: Exactly that. And Mount Waterman, where Reza vanished, is not
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some gentle paved city park. It is a notoriously rugged,
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unforgiving environment. It features incredibly steep ravines, dense impassable brush,
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and sudden drop offs. Search and rescue professionals will tell
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you that even highly experienced hikers can step five feet
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off a trail to relieve themselves, get turned around, take
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a tumble down a screen slope, and sec come to
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the elements from stepping off the trail for a second. Yes,
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and in that terrain, even with helicopters, heat signatures, and
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search dogs, they simply cannot be found. The wilderness just
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absorbs them.
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Speaker 1: Man. So let's combine those terrifying wilderness statistics with the
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employment statistics of the scientific community. Think about the sheer
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volume of people working in these advanced fields. Massive The
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United States Defense and Scientific Apparatus employees tens of thousands,
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perhaps hundreds of thousands of people across NASA, the Department
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of energy, the various military branches, and private defense contractors.
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Speaker 2: It is basically a workforce the size of a small,
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densely populated city.
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Speaker 1: So, statistically speaking, if you take a population of one
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hundred thousand people and monitor them over a four year period,
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it is an absolute mathematical certainty that some of them
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are going to be involved in fatal car crashes. Yeah,
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it is a certainty that some will experience sudden mental
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health crises and choose to disappear. And it is a
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mathematical certainty that some of them are going to experience
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tragic hiking accidents in rugged terrain.
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Speaker 2: The base rate of these events happening in a population
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that large basically guarantees it. But this is where the
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conspiracy theorists employ a tactic called.
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Speaker 1: Cherry picking, uh cherry picking.
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Speaker 2: When the Internet curates a list of vanishing scientists, they
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completely remove the ninety nine hundred and ninety scientists who
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went to work, had lunch, and drove safely home.
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Speaker 1: Right, They don't make the TikTok videos about.
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Speaker 2: Those guys exactly. They only present the ten who suffered tragedies,
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pulling them out of their timeline and geographical context and
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shoving them next to each other on a screen. It
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creates a powerful but entirely false clustering effect.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I hear the logic. I mean the math on illness,
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suicide and wilderness accidents is undeniably strong. It dismantles almost
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the entirety of the roster. But this is the point
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where the narrative gets truly dark, and we have to
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address the most shocking, undeniable anomalies on this list, because
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there were actual brutal murders in this clerk.
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Speaker 2: There were.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't all heart attacks and lost hikers. Brilliant scientists
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were genuinely gunned down in their own communities. So if
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you were trying to debunk a spy thriller, how do
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you explain away actual assassinations.
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Speaker 2: You are referring specifically to the tragic murders of Nuno
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fg Lrero and Carl Grillmaer. These are the cases that
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gave the conspiracy theories their sharpest teeth.
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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Let's look at their profiles. Nuno Lerero was
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a forty seven year old plasma physicist at MIT. He
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was the director of the Plasma Science and Fusion Center.
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Brilliant man this man was quite literally working on the
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future of human energy, advancing clean energy fusion research. And
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then you have Karl Grillmaer, a sixty seven year old
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astrophysicist at Caltech globally renowned for his groundbreaking research on
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exoplanets in dark matter. Both of these brilliant men were
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shot and killed in late twenty twenty five and early
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twenty twenty six. Put those two facts together without any
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other context. Two top tier physicists murder within months of
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each other.
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Speaker 2: It looked really bad.
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Speaker 1: The immediate leap to foreign hit squad trying to cripple
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American science almost feels rational.
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Speaker 2: It is undeniably horrifying, and the optics, if viewed from
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a great distance, look terrible. But when we actually zoom
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in and look at the meticulous investigations conducted by local
21:17
and state law enforcement, the reality of these crimes is revealed.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so what actually happened?
21:22
Speaker 2: They are completely resolved, devastatingly tragic terrestrial criminal matters. There
21:28
is absolutely zero connection to either victim's scientific research.
21:32
Speaker 1: So break down the MIT case. What actually happened?
21:34
Speaker 2: Till Lrero Lorero was targeted and killed by a man
21:37
named Claudio Manuel Nevis Valente. Valente was not a foreign operative.
21:42
He was a former classmate of Lrero's from decades ago,
21:46
a classmate your kidd. Yes, Valente had harbored deeply personal
21:50
delusional resentments against Larrero for years. This was a targeted
21:55
killing driven by personal grievance, not by a desire to
21:58
steal fusion energy seeks. And to underscore just how unhinged
22:03
and horrifying this individual was, the killing of Larrero was
22:07
part of a larger spree. Valente also murdered two completely
22:11
unrelated students at Brown University before eventually taking his own life.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god.
22:16
Speaker 2: It was a horrific, chaotic explosion of targeted violence, fully
22:19
explained by the perpetrator's own history and actions.
22:22
Speaker 1: So it's a terrifying true crime tragedy, basically a mass
22:25
shooting event driven by a disturbed individual completely divorced from
22:29
international espionage.
22:30
Speaker 2: Exactly that. And the case of Carl Gromeric Caltech is
22:33
equally tragic, but rooted in a completely different kind of
22:36
mundane criminal reality. He wasn't assassinated by a sniper while
22:41
leaving a top secret lab. He was shot on the
22:44
porch of his own rural property in the Antile Valley.
22:48
Speaker 1: And for anyone unfamiliar with southern California geography, the La
22:51
Valley can be incredibly remote, very remote. You have properties
22:55
spread out over vast expanses of high desert. It's an
22:59
area that his historical struggled with rural property crime, illegal trespassing,
23:03
things like that.
23:04
Speaker 2: Which plays directly into what actually happened. The police arrested
23:08
a twenty nine year old man named Freddie Snyder and
23:11
charged him with a homicide. Okay, but this wasn't a
23:14
random hit man hired by a shadowy cabal. Snyder was
23:17
a known local criminal who had previously burglarized and carjacked
23:21
Grillmare's property.
23:23
Speaker 1: Wait, he had targeted the property.
23:24
Speaker 2: Before, Yes, and Grillmare had called the police on him
23:26
in the past, identifying him, so it was personal. This
23:29
was a retaliatory crime by a known burglar in the area.
23:33
It was a completely resolved criminal case involving a cycle
23:36
of rural property crime and retaliation. It had absolutely nothing
23:40
to do with the pressing research on dark matter or exoplanets.
23:43
Speaker 1: When you lay it all out like that, it is
23:46
astonishing how the Internet narrative completely collapses under the weight
23:50
of basic facts.
23:51
Speaker 2: It really does.
23:51
Speaker 1: I mean, when we actually step back and look at
23:53
these eleven to thirteen cases that caused a national panic
23:57
that literally reached the desk of the President United States,
24:01
there is zero operational overlap. None.
24:04
Speaker 2: Right, they didn't share any scientific projects, they weren't working
24:07
on the same government grants, they lived in different states.
24:09
Speaker 1: There were no common threats received by their respective departments. Yeah,
24:12
the causes of death and disappearance are wildly, almost comically varying. Yeah,
24:17
you have a man dying of a heart attack, a
24:19
man drowning while grieving his parents, an elderly man with
24:23
severe memory loss wandering into the desert, a revenge killing
24:27
by a former classmate, a retaliation by a local carjacker.
24:31
The only unifying thread connecting these people is human mortality
24:35
and the fact that they possessed advanced degrees.
24:37
Speaker 2: It is the human mind desperately drawing lines between completely
24:40
random dots on a massive piece of paper.
24:43
Speaker 1: Which brings up a truly fascinating historical point, because this
24:47
entire panic of twenty twenty six, driven by TikTok x
24:51
and YouTube algorithms, feels so distinctly modern.
24:54
Speaker 2: It feels very now, Yeah, it feels like.
24:56
Speaker 1: A product of the smartphone era. But when you look
24:59
back at the hill My history of how the public
25:01
reacts to science and secrecy, you realize this isn't a
25:04
new phenomenon at all. The algorithms just poured gasoline on
25:08
a fire that has been burning for decades. Secrecy has
25:12
always bred suspicion.
25:13
Speaker 2: It's true. If we look back at the historical blueprints
25:16
of public panic, we can see the exact same psychological
25:19
mechanisms playing out long before social media even existed.
25:22
Speaker 1: Let's do some time traveling. I want to look at
25:24
the massive panic that surrounded the two thousand and one
25:27
two thousand and two microbiologists cluster.
25:29
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a perfect example, and the cultural context here
25:31
is absolutely paramount to understanding the panic. This was the
25:35
period immediately following the September eleventh attacks. The entire world
25:38
was already on edge, completely traumatized, and then the anthrax
25:43
mailings began in the United States.
25:44
Speaker 1: I remember that so vividly. It was pure terror. You
25:49
had letters laced with deadly anthrax sports being sent to
25:52
media outlets and politicians. Yeah, five people died, seventeen others
25:56
were sick, and the postal service was basically paralyzed. People
26:00
were literally afraid to open their own mail. You looked
26:03
at a white envelope and wondered if it contained a
26:05
biological weapon.
26:06
Speaker 2: That is the crucial environment of fear. The public was
26:09
primed to see biological terror everywhere, and in that highly
26:13
charged paranoid atmosphere, a narrative began circulating through newspapers and
26:18
early Internet forums. What was the narrative that roughly twenty
26:21
to thirty leading microbiologists worldwide had died mysteriously within a
26:26
span of just a few months. The headlines were screaming,
26:28
are the world's top microbiologists being purged?
26:32
Speaker 1: And when you look at the bizarre array of deaths
26:34
that the media stitched together into this conspiracy, it is wild.
26:38
Speaker 2: Oh it really is.
26:39
Speaker 1: You had doctor Don C. Wilie, an incredibly prominent researcher
26:43
from Harvard whose body was found in the Mississippi River
26:45
after his car was found abandoned on a bridge. Yet
26:48
doctor Vladimir Pasecnik, a famous Russian defector and bioweapons expert
26:53
who had moved to the UK. He died of a stroke, a.
26:56
Speaker 2: Stroke being one of the most common medical events in
26:58
the world for a man his aide exactly, yet viewed
27:01
entirely as a covert assassination because of his resume.
27:04
Speaker 1: Then you had the case of doctor Robert Schwartz in
27:06
Virginia who was brutally stabbed to death. And when the
27:10
police caught the perpetrators, who were they.
27:12
Speaker 2: Three individuals who self identified as Satanists.
27:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a bizarre, horrifying true crime story completely
27:19
unrelated to biological warfare.
27:20
Speaker 2: And the list just kept growing with unrelated tragedies.
27:23
Speaker 1: Right doctor set Venaguayan in Australia who died in a
27:26
nitrogen asphyxiation accident while working in an air locked lab.
27:30
Doctor Victor Korshinov in Russia who had his head bashed
27:33
in on the street. It's a chaotic global list of
27:36
disparate tragedies.
27:38
Speaker 2: But because of the Amprek's mailings, the cultural context created
27:42
a hypervigilant state of awareness. Every time a scientist died
27:46
anywhere on the planet, whether from a stroke, a mugging,
27:48
or a lab accident, the media and the public immediately
27:52
slotted it into the bioweapons cover up narrative.
27:55
Speaker 1: Even in the case of doctor Wilie on the Bridge, Yes,
27:57
the medical examiner eventually concluded he likely suffered a disa
28:00
zespell or a seizure, pulled his car over, and tragically
28:03
fell over the railing.
28:04
Speaker 2: None of these deaths were ever linked to the anthrax
28:07
attacks or any global bioweapons plot. They were ordinary medical events,
28:11
tragic industrial accidents, or distinct criminal acts. But they were
28:15
amplified and connected by a population gripped by absolute panic.
28:19
Speaker 1: And we can go back even further in time to
28:21
see the exact same thing happened during the Cold War. Yeah,
28:24
let's talk about the nineteen eighty two to nineteen ninety
28:27
GEC Marconi Star Wars deaths in the United Kingdom.
28:30
Speaker 2: Oh. Yes, this is a legendary case study in how
28:32
workplace stress and media hype can manufacture a conspiracy.
28:36
Speaker 1: We're talking about a cluster of roughly twenty five British engineers,
28:40
computer scientists and researchers who all worked at or contracted
28:44
for GC Marconi. Yes, they were deeply involved in massive
28:47
defense projects like the stingray torpedoes and Ronald Reagan's Strategic
28:51
Defense initiative, which the media famously dubbed the star Wars program.
28:56
Speaker 2: These programs were shrouded in extreme almost impenetrable Cold war secrecy.
29:01
The stakes felt apocalyptic, and.
29:04
Speaker 1: The details of the deaths among these workers are undeniably
29:07
strange and grim. When you look at them on the surface,
29:10
you had a string of bizarre suicides and fatal accidents.
29:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, very strange ones.
29:14
Speaker 1: A shud Sharif, a computer contractor, reportedly drove his car
29:18
to a park, tied one end of a rope to
29:20
a tree in the other around his neck, and drove
29:22
off horrific. David Sands, a scientist, drove a car packed
29:27
with cans of gasoline at high speed into an abandoned
29:29
restaurant building, causing a massive explosion the wall, does you pie?
29:34
And electronics engineer fell to his death from the Clifton
29:37
suspension bridge.
29:39
Speaker 2: When you listen them like that sequentially, it looks like
29:41
a systematic purge of the UK's top defense talent.
29:44
Speaker 1: It looks exactly like the KGB or maybe even rogue
29:46
elements of MI sixter cleaning house. Yeah, it feels undeniable.
29:50
Speaker 2: It does. But the UK Ministry of Defense, along with
29:53
multiple independent police agencies, investigated these deaths exhaustively over several years.
30:00
Speaker 1: And what do they find.
30:01
Speaker 2: They combed through every detail looking for any shred of
30:04
foreign intelligence involvement, and what they proved was that there
30:07
was no KGB hit squad. What they found was a
30:11
tragic sociological phenomenon.
30:13
Speaker 1: Ok.
30:13
Speaker 2: They had a massive workforce, literally tens of thousands of
30:16
people working for GEC Marconi and its subsidiaries across the UK,
30:21
and they were subjecting these workers to the intense, isolating,
30:25
paranoia inducing stress of highly classified Cold War defense work.
30:29
Speaker 1: So it's the base rate neglect again combined with high
30:32
stress environment.
30:33
Speaker 2: Precisely in a massive workforce dealing with brutal deadlines and
30:36
the psychological weight of classified defense contracts over an eight
30:40
year period, there will sadly be severe mental health breakdowns,
30:43
there will be suicides, and there will be fatal car accidents.
30:46
But the British media at the time relentlessly grouped every
30:49
single tragedy together under the Star Wars death spanner, creating
30:52
a terrifying illusion of a coordinated attack.
30:56
Speaker 1: So, having thoroughly established that this historical blueprint of panic
31:00
exists from Cold War engineers to Post nine to eleven
31:04
microbiologists to modern plasma physicists, we really need to turn
31:09
to the mechanics of the mind yes, the psychology of
31:12
it all. We've debunked the specific cases, we've shown the
31:15
repeating history. Now we have to understand the exact psychological
31:19
architecture that makes you, me, and the general public so
31:22
incredibly vulnerable to believing these theories.
31:25
Speaker 2: We need to dissect the mechanics of a modern conspiracy
31:28
theory and how it essentially exploits our own biology.
31:31
Speaker 1: Let's quickly run through the prominent theories that exploded online
31:33
in twenty twenty six to see what we are dealing with.
31:36
You had Representative Burlison openly suggesting on the record that
31:40
this could be a coordinated campaign of state assassinations by
31:43
adversaries like China, Russia or Iran deliberately targeting our knowledge
31:47
of hypersonics.
31:48
Speaker 2: This was suggested despite intelligence agencies having zero proof of
31:52
any coordinated foreign operations on US soil regarding these scientists.
31:56
Speaker 1: Then you had the massive UFO and suppressed technology community.
32:01
They seized on cases like Amy Eskridge and her anti
32:04
gravity research, claiming these scientists were being silenced to protect
32:08
hidden physics defying technologies that the government didn't want the
32:12
public to have. Right, and this group stretched the narrative
32:15
so desperately far that they even shoehorned in the tragic
32:19
suicide of a man named David Wilcock.
32:21
Speaker 2: Wilcock is a fascinating inclusion, actually, because it shows the
32:24
desperation of the pattern seekers. He was not a scientist
32:27
in any capacity.
32:28
Speaker 1: He wasn't the record show. He was an entirely unrelated
32:31
New Age author and conspiracy theorist. But his death happened
32:35
to occur around the same time as some of the scientists,
32:38
so the online sleuths, needing more dots to connect, just
32:41
tossed him into the whistleblower purge bucket to make their
32:44
list look longer and more intimidating.
32:46
Speaker 2: This specific behavior, the desperate need to connect David Wilcock
32:50
to an MIT plasma physicist is where we must unpack
32:53
the science of patternicity. Patternicity, Yes, this is a concept
32:58
popularized by the science historian and skept Michael Schrmer.
33:01
Speaker 1: I find this concept so eliminating. Walk us through how
33:03
Shermer defines it.
33:05
Speaker 2: Well. The human brain is an absolute marvel of evolution,
33:08
but we must remember what it evolved to do. It
33:11
is wired for survival, not necessarily for objective truth or
33:15
statistical accuracy. We have a deeply ingrained evolutionary drive to
33:20
detect threats in our environment. In psychology, the tendency to
33:24
perceive meaningful connections between completely unrelated things is called epiphenia.
33:29
Speaker 1: Epiphenia.
33:30
Speaker 2: Got it, yes, And to understand why we have it,
33:33
you have to imagine our ancient ancestors, tens of thousands
33:35
of years ago, walking through the tall grass on the
33:38
African savannah. The wind blows and the grass rustles nearby.
33:42
Speaker 1: Okay, the classic survival scenario.
33:44
Speaker 2: Right. The brain has a split second choice to make.
33:47
It can assume the rustling is just the wind, a random,
33:49
meaningless noise. Or it can assume the rustling is a
33:53
hungry lion, a meaningful pattern indicating a deadly threat.
33:56
Speaker 1: I see. So if you assume it's a lion and
33:58
you sprint away in terearor but it turns out it
34:00
was just the wind, you might look a little silly
34:03
to your tribe, but you survive to see tomorrow exactly.
34:07
Speaker 2: You have committed a false positive error. You found a
34:10
meaningful pattern the lion where none actually existed. It costs
34:14
you a little energy, but you live.
34:16
Speaker 1: Right.
34:17
Speaker 2: However, what happens if you make the opposite error. What
34:19
if you assume the rustling is just the wind, completely
34:22
meaningless noise, and you keep walking, but it actually is
34:26
a lion your lunch.
34:27
Speaker 1: You're removed from the gene pool immediately.
34:29
Speaker 2: Your lunch missing a real pattern is a false negative,
34:34
and in the ancestral environment, a false negative meant death.
34:37
Speaker 1: That makes so much sense.
34:38
Speaker 2: Therefore, through natural selection, we are biologically fundamentally wired to
34:43
generate false positives. We are the descendants of the paranoid
34:46
apes who ran away from the wind.
34:48
Speaker 1: I love that phrase.
34:48
Speaker 2: We are wired to see the lion in the grass,
34:51
to see a human face in the random craters of
34:53
the moon, and to see a massive, coordinated assassination plot
34:57
in a random tragic string of heart attacks, suicide, and
35:00
hiking accidents. Patternicity is the survival tactic of finding meaningful
35:04
patterns and meaningless noise.
35:06
Speaker 1: And what makes this so terrifying in the modern era
35:09
is how this biology is being exploited. Our brains evolve
35:13
this specific trait to keep us alive in the physical
35:16
world dealing with physical predators. Yes, but now we have
35:20
taken that ancient survival wired brain and plugged it directly
35:25
into modern social media platforms. We spend hours staring at
35:29
x TikTok and YouTube.
35:31
Speaker 2: We have inadvertently weaponized our own biology against ourselves.
35:35
Speaker 1: Exactly. These algorithms are not designed to inform us. They
35:38
are designed at their core to hold our attention for
35:42
as many seconds as possible to serve advertisements. And what
35:46
holds the human brain's attention better than a perceived threat. Nothing.
35:49
Speaker 2: Fear is the ultimate hook.
35:51
Speaker 1: The algorithms are built to reward outrage. They're built to
35:53
reward fear. They take the extreme, terrifying outliers of bizarre
35:57
murder in California, a man vanishing the New Mexico desert,
36:00
and they violently repeatedly shove them into our feeds.
36:03
Speaker 2: While completely ignoring the base rates.
36:05
Speaker 1: Right Meanwhile, the algorithm completely filters out the mundane reality.
36:11
It never shows you a video about the ninety nine
36:13
thousand scientists who just went to the lab ransom spreadsheets,
36:16
had a coffee, and safely went home to their families.
36:19
Speaker 2: It basically creates an artificial savannah, and in the digital savannah,
36:22
the grass is always rustling and the algorithm is constantly
36:25
screaming that it's a lion.
36:27
Speaker 1: Wow.
36:27
Speaker 2: Yes, it traps the user in a relentless, inescapable confirmation bias.
36:32
Once the algorithm learns that you pause to read an
36:34
article about a mysterious scientist's death, it will frantically search
36:38
its database to feed you every other piece of tangentially
36:41
related tragedy it can fined, completely stripping away the statistical base.
36:45
Speaker 1: Rates it does the pattern seeking for you.
36:47
Speaker 2: It builds a conspiracy theory right before your eyes.
36:50
Speaker 1: Which brings us back to the emotional core of this
36:53
entire story. Because while it's fascinating to analyze abathenia and
36:57
debate the mechanics of social media algorithms, there is a profound,
37:01
devastating human cost to all of this pattern seeking.
37:04
Speaker 2: There is an immense cost. The true victims of these
37:08
massive internet conspiracies, aside from the brilliant individuals who lost
37:12
their lives, are the grieving families left behind in the
37:16
wake of the algorithms.
37:18
Speaker 1: The investigations in the reporting highlight this reality so sharply
37:22
at the end. Think about Carl Grillmayer's widow. She is
37:26
mourning the brutal murder of her husband on their front
37:29
porch by a local criminal.
37:31
Speaker 2: It's just horrific.
37:33
Speaker 1: And while trying to process that trauma. She is forced
37:36
to publicly issue statements calling the Internet theories absolute nonsense,
37:40
just to get people to stop harassing her. Think about
37:43
Michael Hicks's daughter Julia, She stated she was deeply shaken
37:47
up by the media circus surrounding her father's entirely natural
37:50
fatal heart attack. These are real people dealing with the
37:53
words moments of their lives, trying to respectually bury their loved.
37:57
Speaker 2: Ones, and instead they are forced to fight offlllions of
38:00
strangers who want to turn their private tragedies into a
38:03
piece of digital entertainment. It actively re traumatizes the families.
38:07
It is a profoundly cruel byproduct of the Internet age,
38:11
even if the people spreading the theories genuinely believe they
38:14
are fighting the good fight by uncovering some hidden truth.
38:17
Right as the investigators and rational observers continually point out,
38:21
science advances through the rigorous examination of evidence, not by
38:25
chasing shadows.
38:27
Speaker 1: So as we wrap up this deep dive into the
38:28
twenty twenty six panic, I want to remind you of
38:32
the core truth we've uncovered. Patternicity offers us a strange,
38:36
twisted kind of comfort in a chaotic world.
38:39
Speaker 2: It does.
38:40
Speaker 1: Deep down. It is actually easier and more comforting for
38:43
the human mind to believe that a secret, hypercompetent global
38:46
cabal is in control of everything than it is to
38:49
accept the terrifying truth that life is incredibly fragile.
38:53
Speaker 2: That brilliant people get depressed.
38:55
Speaker 1: That healthy hearts suddenly fail, and that the wilderness remains
38:58
untamed and dangerous.
39:00
Speaker 2: Accepting randomness is terrifying, but honoring the deceased means having
39:03
the courage to look at the reality of their lives
39:05
and their deaths unvarnished by fantasy.
39:08
Speaker 1: It means honoring their actual, tangible legacies. The telescopes they
39:13
built to peer into the cosmos, the fusion reactors they
39:16
engineered to try and save our planet, the asteroid missions
39:19
they launched to protect us. Yes, we honor them by
39:21
remembering their brilliant work, rather than projecting cheap spy movie
39:25
plots onto their final moments.
39:28
Speaker 2: They lived remarkable lives, They worked on the edge of
39:30
human knowledge, and they died as people inevitably do. That
39:33
is the truth that matters.
39:35
Speaker 1: And as we close the book on the Vanishing Scientists
39:37
of twenty twenty six, I want to leave you with
39:39
one final lingering question to ponder the next time you
39:43
open your phone. We learned today that our brains evolved
39:46
this powerful trait of patternicity to keep us safe from
39:49
physical predators in the wild. We had to connect random
39:52
dots to survive the lion in the grass. What happens
39:55
to the human mind over the next fifty years as
39:58
we spend more and more time modern digital environment where
40:01
the predator isn't an animal but an algorithm, An algorithm
40:04
specifically engineered by the smartest tech companies on Earth to
40:08
feed us an endless stream of dots that aren't actually connected,
40:11
just to keep us scared engaged in scrolling. How we
40:14
evolve our way out of that