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The 2026 Halloween Takeover — Intentionally Blank Ep. 282 · Intentionally Blank

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  SPEAKER_00: We're ready?
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  SPEAKER_00: We're ready.
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  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi.
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  SPEAKER_00: Brandon, you look different.
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  SPEAKER_00: I, you know, I what can I say?
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: Ghostbloods has been taking everything out of me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just really got you wiped out, huh?
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it's just Donald and I this week.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are on our own prerogative.
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  SPEAKER_01: We can do whatever we want.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we ordered a bunch of food.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: We did.
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  SPEAKER_01: That won't actually be here until we're done recording.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll be keeping an eye.
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  SPEAKER_00: There might be like a break for you and I that the audience, you know, will get a nice cut out of.
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  SPEAKER_00: And at the very end, we're just suddenly in the last five minutes, we're all eating French fries.
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  SPEAKER_00: Five guys, by the way.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had to make up for it.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: He wanted five guys last time and I I paid the bill.
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  SPEAKER_00: But do you have a food heist?
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: I do have a food heist.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: First of all, I have to say there's a food heist that everyone and their aunt has sent to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I might know what it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it involves chicken.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what this is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you don't get to hear about it until Brandon's bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: Till Brandon's.
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  SPEAKER_01: I understand.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that is not to say that I am doing a boring food heist with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are getting an excellent food heist.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm very excited.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which is this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just slightly over a year ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: December of 25.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: A group of thieves dressed as Santa Claus and a bunch of elves ran into a grocery store in Montreal, stole a bunch of stuff, and then ran off with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then an activist group called Robins of the Allees publicly took credit for it, saying they were inspired by Robin Hood and they redistributed all the food to people in need.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Huh.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's And I believe them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've read enough food heists to know that if your mission is to resell, then you're going to want to steal industrial-sized quantities of just the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: With one or two exceptions, like that guy who just stole a grocery cart full of meat.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're going in and you're grabbing, you know, a few of several different things, then yeah, you probably are giving it to the poor.
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  SPEAKER_00: Does your group fail at that point at not being able to, you know, the mission is good.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want to support the people, but if you have to steal, are you failing as a support group?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, here's the thing Robin Hood stole oppressive tax money back from a genuinely bad person.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whereas these guys are just victimizing some grocery store.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that's my question.
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  SPEAKER_01: The grocery store is not personally responsible for the systemic poverty that plagues the Western world and I guess all the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Does it specify the grocery store?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because one could make the argument.
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  SPEAKER_00: If it's like, for lack of a better term, let's say a Walmart.
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  SPEAKER_00: Walmart is a massive company run by a guy who has infinite money.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if it's like a mom-pop, you're just hurting them at that point.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do not condone grocery theft.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if you're stealing from a grocery store, Walmart is certainly the one where you are more morally correct to do so.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: As morally collective.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Walmart as a company literally does not pay their employees a living wage.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they have stated publicly, this is true, and you can look it up, that their employees, if they can't live off their wage, should try to get welfare.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did not know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Walmart is not run with you in mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, but yeah, a little mom and pop grocery store.
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  SPEAKER_01: This article does not say which.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's in French.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um I mean Montreal, I'm not terribly.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is not surprising it's in French.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was the name of the grocery store, but it is the name of the activist group.
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  SPEAKER_01: Les Slevements de Fleuv.
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  SPEAKER_01: De Fleuve.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And their statement was a handful of businesses are holding our vital needs hostage.
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  SPEAKER_01: They continue to suffocate the population, to siphon from them as much money as possible simply because they can.
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  SPEAKER_01: For us, this is theft, and they are the thieves.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very Robinhood asking.
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  SPEAKER_01: And again, you know, based on what store they stole from, that is flatly untrue.
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  unknown: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the clunk.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, depending on what store they stole from.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: They might.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a point.
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  SPEAKER_00: From the from what they have said, you know, it's a couple stores.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's gotta be a big name store.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't steal, but you know, the Robin Hood Hope of Hopes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's a Walmart.
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  SPEAKER_01: Looks like it's the grocery chain was Metro, which I know nothing about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Same.
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  SPEAKER_01: So hey, comments.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you know who owns Metro.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let us know in the comments if this was an evil act.
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  SPEAKER_01: If this was this terrorism or was this freedom fighter?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a fine line, depending on, I guess, whether you agree with them or not.
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  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, that is our food heist.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a great date heist.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't have a clever name for them.
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  SPEAKER_00: They already have such a good name already.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like Lesolemon De Fle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um well and dressed as Santa and the elves.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I appreciate them going the extra mile of like at least dressing up for the occasion.
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  SPEAKER_01: I assume, given that they are an activist group specifically, that they did this during the day in costume on purpose to raise awareness of this rather than just breaking in at night.
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  SPEAKER_00: I this might be a terrible question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is starvation something that is not aware enough?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, this might be just my ignorance.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
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  SPEAKER_01: How long have we been talking?
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  SPEAKER_00: About seven minutes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Seven minutes?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Somewhere in the world, a child dies every 30 seconds of hunger.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's horrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: 14 kids have died since we started talking about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, actually, that's a very old number.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it may have changed.
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  SPEAKER_01: If it has, I assume it's gotten worse rather than better.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Global hunger is a huge problem, and I don't think most people realize it.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's very sad.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it should be solved.
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  SPEAKER_00: Post-scarcity society is what I think we need to be aiming for.
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  SPEAKER_00: Shocking as that might sound.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's not what we're here to talk about.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, we are talking about horror though.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is a horror.
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  SPEAKER_01: So children dying.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think this is the last time we'll talk about children specifically dying.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let me look at my list.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
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  SPEAKER_00: Funny enough, my list, there are children that are dead.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I I cover that online.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, good for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can segue.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're here to talk about horror, and we're in we're in the month of Halloween.
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  SPEAKER_00: This should be coming out the week of Halloween.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Dan and I were like, we should talk about horror franchises.
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  SPEAKER_01: In in my culture, it is traditional.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: On or near Halloween to watch the best werewolf movie of all time, which is Werewolf as interpreted by Mystery Science Theater 3000.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: 1996 movie, I want to say.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they Mystery Science Theatered it in 98.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is one of the classic all-time episodes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: At or near the top of every ranking of Mystery Science Theater episodes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's my first salvo.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you are looking for something amazing to watch, werewolf.
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  SPEAKER_00: Werewolf.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have not seen it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I will need to put that on my list.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: People have like their Christmas list of we have to watch these five movies for Christmas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you have a Halloween version of that?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, because for the most part, I am looking for new stuff I haven't seen before.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Werewolf is the one that we watch because it's fun.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then beyond that, I am usually looking for some new thing that I haven't seen before.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I've already started this year, actually, I've watched three or four horror movies this week.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: What have you watched?
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  SPEAKER_01: This week I watched Twenty-Eight Years Later and Bone Temple.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: 28 Years Later is fantastic and I love it, except the ending is dumb.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: The ending is dumb.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's because it's one giant movie that they split into two parts.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I hate this when people hate this when people do it, especially because I didn't realize that going in.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it is just an absolutely wonderful movie that is, you know, it's about family and it's about growing up and it's about grief and it's about trust.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's also this incredible portrayal of this is what the world looks like 28 years after a zombie apocalypse.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a very, I think, plausible, realistic take on that idea, which I've seen a thousand zombie apocalypse movies.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't ever seen that.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where survivors have kind of settled back into a regular normal life with this new threat, certainly still incredibly dangerous, but kind of sort of accepted and controlled.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I'd never seen that before.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: Loved the movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: The second one I don't think is as good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is surprising to me because maybe it's not surprising to anybody else, because it feels like most people think the Bone Temple is better.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's what I was saying.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's the opposite opinion, usually.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I promise I'm not trying to be contrarian.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh huh.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just I think Spike's story is just really hit me in the right place.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dr.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Kelson's story with Samson isn't as compelling to me, even though it is still incredibly interesting and cool.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's a fair enough take.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think Bone Temple still is, in my opinion, stronger.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: In a couple ways.
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  SPEAKER_00: Story-wise, I think you can you can go either way.
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  SPEAKER_00: The cinematography, for me specifically, in Bone Temple, had a lot more theme to it that I was like, oh, this is crazy well shot.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like what?
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  SPEAKER_00: Without giving spoilers, because it is, it's some people might go see it.
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  SPEAKER_00: The back half of the movie with how they were showing off many of those.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's say the back half.
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  SPEAKER_00: The back half of the movie, beautifully shot.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love a lot of their set deck, a lot of their acting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like that last half killed it for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think I think your take is also entirely fair.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm certainly not saying that Bone Temple is a bad movie.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love them both.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just think I have to give the nod to the first one over the second one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Entirely fair.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: Two more movies you said you had seen.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: What else did I watch of late?
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was gonna say, if you need to go to the list.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I wrote down a list of a bunch of horror movies I've recently watched, and I actually don't think the other two were good enough to get on here.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I watched Slice.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen it.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Slice, I'll tell you right now, is not good.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Easy to avoid.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: But I still enjoyed it because it's Chance the Rapper and Zay Beats, both of whom I love.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: It takes place in a world where monsters are just kind of there.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're just a part of regular life.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was a some kind of huge disaster that killed tens of thousands of people in this town.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: And all the ghosts are still there.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so they basically made like a ghost uh slum where the ghosts live on the wrong side of the tracks or whatever.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's a very comedic movie with a very silly premise.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed watching it, but still won't say that it's a good movie.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're into that kind of thing and if you're a horror fan, you're definitely into that kind of thing.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was fun.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Speaking about new stuff, backrooms.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Have you seen the back rooms?
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: I have seen backrooms.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: What are your thoughts?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: You tell me your thoughts first.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I've been following Kane Parson, the guy who directed it, Young Stuff, since his first upload to YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm hugely biased in that I've been following his work for a while now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Putting aside the fact that it's incredibly impressive, an 18-year-old, before even that, was making as good of a production by himself on YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think he has an interesting storytelling thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think the team he had made it a compelling film.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: For a first showing, for a first feature-length film, I think he did a pretty good job.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think there are some stuff I wouldn't say is amazing, but his his style is still very much his own.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Easily seven or eight for me.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think he has a very promising future ahead of him.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: I will absolutely give this movie an eight.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: I really loved it.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: It is one of the few movies I've watched recently.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: And by recently, I'm I'm saying like 10 years.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Where I can genuinely say, holy crap, I've never seen this movie before.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: The same.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so often we are getting the same stories and they'll be dressed up differently.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: And this is not just horror, this is everything.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, old philosophers say there's only 20 stories in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this one was just new.
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  SPEAKER_01: This was a completely new experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I've seen a bunch of the Backrooms videos.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I kind of had an idea going in.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: I love that feeling.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it's so rare when you're in the middle of a movie and it dawns on you, oh my gosh, I've never seen this movie before.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that was that's thrilling.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: And backrooms did that for me.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad to hear that because I know for some people, because of the internet exposure they had to it, they're like, oh, I know what thrill I'm already going to get.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: Even with that, I still think he captured a sense of something new.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: Especially with the medium that the backrooms presents for that kind of horror space.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: I remember I went and saw it alone because I was just like, I want to go see it in the opening night.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: The uncomfortableness of just the unknown.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: We've always had that, of like, ah, it's kind of scary going to the unknown.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: This is such an expansion of that that the tension in the theater, even for myself, immaculate.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: I actually think that it works even better as a two-hour movie than as a 15-minute short.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because you get the scale so much more.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: The really just endlessness of the backrooms comes across really strongly.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think from the foundation he's put into this, especially like if you had never seen a backrooms thing, this is the perfect introduction.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: You can sit down and go, oh, I understand the entire concept of the backrooms now.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: The next movie, now that he has that foundation, I think is going to be even stronger.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much room there to now explore.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm so excited.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: For the most part, I agree with you, though I do think the introduction of the backrooms movie is very kind of opaque if you don't have at least a sense of what's going on.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like the full prologue that happens.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's like a 10-minute sequence that's like a found footage thing.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: And most of the backrooms YouTube stuff is found footage where they don't explain anything to you.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it's all very shaky cam and it's very weird.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I worry that people are listening to us and they're going to go into this and they're going to be turned off by that intro.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: So just please watch it because it's really good.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Be forewarned that that intro is kind of weird and confusing and that you will understand it slightly better by the end of the movie.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: You really can consider it a prologue.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: It is giving you the tease for the rest of the movie that will feel very succinct after all of that.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: And it's for those who are wondering, this is Kane Parsons' style.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like his whole career started on Shaky Cam, 20-minute shorts on YouTube.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: So that is, in my opinion, the nod to his audience of being like, ah, here's your 10 minutes of I promise I know what I'm doing.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: Here's the rest of the movie.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to love the rest of it.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think you've nailed it with that description.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: It is, I'm going to put one of my shorts at the beginning of this studio film.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to do your homework, there is a YouTube video called Everything Must Go, which is the direct lead-in to the movie.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that will help explain better what the prologue is doing.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it will kind of, I don't know.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think it adds to it.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: I do too.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: But also he released it after the movie came out.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: So you certainly don't have to watch it first.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: It is just additional context.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: It was part of their like soft re-release where they had it at the end of the movie as well.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just glad they made it publicly free.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like that was pretty cool.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: They were like, cool, you got it, Kane.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: So so I want to ask you, please, what is it about the backrooms themselves that you think is unsettling and scary for people?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, speaking for me, the idea of you you can theoretically noclip or go into the backrooms at any point in your life, dependent upon the fault that you find, if you will, the magic power.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: The idea of never being able to come back and forever be trapped in, sure, I can map out, let's say, if generously, a mile.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: I can get a mile of information that I feel safe in, but that will never stop.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: You'll never actually be safe.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: You never know how much of it will shift.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's the idea of the infinite expanse that you can infinitely explore, and you have infinite ways to pass away.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: You can open a door and fall through the floor, and that's it.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: His specific style of why I think it works for me is if you're shooting a scene and your camera is, you know, all the way down the hall, and through that hall, you see 20 doors, instead of the matrix feeling of, oh, all these cool guns just rushed past me, and I'm getting that closeness, the far out shot of going, oh, this just goes forever, and the geometry is weird, and it's the half-life that kind of persists.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, it's uncomfortable to be in it.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's it for me.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's the infinite uncomfortableness.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're never actually comfortable.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I agree.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: I did not find the movie scary at any point, but it is very uncomfortable.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it's very unsettling.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: And the best metaphor I can think of is doom scrolling the internet.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: It is just like social media, the backrooms is a place that kind of looks like it was built for humans, but was very much not actually built for humans.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: And you can explore and explore and explore and never find anything really, right?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: You find a thousand things, but none of them are what you wanted.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: And you're just in there in this almost hostile space because of how uncanny it is.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's yeah.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: And the movie did a great job with it.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's the biggest thing for me is if you can capture the idea of it is always uncomfortable.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: You'll understand, kind of, but you're never safe in it.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: You don't feel safe in that kind of space.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's fantastic work.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot recommend it enough.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's on HBO right now.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: You should be able to go see it if you want.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Since we talk so much about backrooms, let's talk about this year's other, even bigger indie horror movie.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Obsession.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Obsession.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: Which I think is maybe my favorite movie of the year.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Understandable.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: It is only beaten for me personally by Resident Evil.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's coming from a bias of loving the games, though.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: So Resident Evil is like, if not equivalent, maybe just edgy.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: I heard that the new Resident Evil doesn't really touch on the games.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: And that I is part of it.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: So as a Resident Evil fan, I played all the games, loved all of them.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's not true.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: There's the fifth game, sorry, sixth game is uncoverable.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't matter.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Getting into the weeds.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the Resident Evil movie follows none of them.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: It is completely on its own.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: However, as a fan of the games and a fan of film, they captured the exact essence of what makes a Resident Evil game works, and they put it into a 90-minute movie, and it's stellar.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like that could be its own game, and I would go, yeah, absolutely.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: You could you could change that and I would change nothing about that movie.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think they killed it for what they were.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: One of the funniest comments I've seen was in a thread where people were bashing the movie because it's not Resident Evil.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody said, if they made this exact movie and released it with a different title, Every one of you would be complaining that they ripped off Resident Evil.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: 110% agree.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly that.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: Where it's like, I think people are stuck in the weeds of adaptations have to be Dune.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Dune is a fantastic adaptation.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: And even that still has to change things that happen from the book.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you cannot go one for one.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: What happens when one for one happens is you get old Dune, and you're just like, this is a movie.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: What anyone wanted.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so you're putting Resident Evil above Project Hail Mary.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: You're putting it above the Odyssey.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I do think Obsession is the best movie of the year so far.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now, all the Oscar Bait stuff has not come out yet.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: This is true.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe there'll be some incredible thing.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'll like Dune 3 more.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: But at least for now, Obsession barely edges out Project Hail Mary for me, but it does edge it out.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Obsession is so good.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's jaw-dropping.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Phenomenal.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like there is no other way to describe it.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: If you have not seen Obsession, your Halloween watch should be Obsession.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like you should just finish this podcast, then go watch Obsession.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if I can recommend any one movie on my giant lists, um, if you haven't seen Obsession, it's a revelation.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: We shouldn't spoil it.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like you should all just go watch the movie.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I every aspect performances, score, cinematography, directing, all of it.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: All of it.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: All of it is, yeah, it's shocking how good it is.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: And for how little that movie was made for, it deserves every accolade that it has gotten so far.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Putting aside the whole drama that came from some of that, I think every single one of those people are gonna succeed.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna go on to bigger and bigger productions.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: And there's lots of you know arguments online about what exactly the movie means and who was the villain.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I think most people agree on who the villain was, but the thing is all of those opinions are valid, right?
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like even if someone has a really dumb opinion, the purpose of art is to inspire you or challenge you, or both.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: And obsession does that.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: It presents you with you know a situation that is obviously terrible, surrounded by other situations that you aren't sure how to feel about them.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, even if you eventually come to a solid answer, you're like, How did I get here?
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: And making you think and making you talk and making you argue with idiots online, that's what movies are that's what movies are for.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I think you really hit it on the head where it's like, this movie isn't forcing you to ask questions, it is naturally developed in a way where almost throughout the entire movie, you're like, oh, the nuance just keeps going further and further and further.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: So by the end of it, you're just like, Alright, I guess I'm sitting with this feeling for the next 12 hours of how I feel about it.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's gonna make you sad.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm new horror.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: You have a lot of movies I can see that you have written down.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I was focusing almost entirely on 21st century horror here.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think Werewolf is actually the only one prior to 2001.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you still probably have a lot.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I I don't dabble a ton in cinema horror.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: I love cinema.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: I love seeing film stuff, but most of mine is gaming horror.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: Dead Space, Alien Isolation, Soma.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: Love those games.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: If you have, if you're a gamer, check out all of those for great horror stuff.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: What are the must-watches for horror, in your opinion?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: I know there's probably a million.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, again, I'm gonna restrict myself to recent horror.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Please.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: Must-watches.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna give you I'm gonna give you a weird list that no one else would give you.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: How does that sound?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds good, because I've probably seen the big ones.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like Cabin in the Woods is probably my favorite horror movie of all time.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Cabin in the Woods is the horror movie I use to introduce horror to people.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because it is so self-aware of what it is doing and in a fun way rather than an obnoxious way.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: That and Scream are the ones that say, This is how horror movies work, and we're showing you all the cards, and we're still gonna scare you with them.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Small tangent.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: Do you see Scream 8?
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's it was don't see it.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's Scream 8.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen most of the Scream movies?
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: I liked when they started the new wave with like Melissa Barrera.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: But I eventually just gave up.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: I went and saw it with a couple friends and was like, oh, it's a movie.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not worth it.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: But if you like that brand of slasher, here's my first must-see, ready or not, with Samara Weaving.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, hold on.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: This is the one where she goes to the dinner, right?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like It's her wedding.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's the wedding.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: This has been recommended to me.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: It is on my list.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: I've heard it's just phenomenal.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: I will that's a good one.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: So basic premise without giving anything away.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: Is she marries into an extremely rich family and finds out after the wedding, on her wedding night, that she has to play murderous hide and seek with the rest of the family in order to be accepted by them.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: They have a tradition where you play a game and the game you're given is random, and most of them are stupid things like shoots and ladders.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: But if you pull the card that says hide and seek, that means everyone else in the family's going to try to kill you and you have to try to survive until morning.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: It is so fun.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: Samara Weaving is a fantastic actress.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: Already.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: And in some of my favorite horror movies, like The Babysitter and things like that.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: And in this one, she just does a wonderful job.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: All the other actors are doing a great job.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: You get a lot of family drama.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: You get a ton of comedy.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's very funny.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: The sequel, Ready or Not, Here I Come, is not as good.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: That was going to be my question.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: But it still manages to pull off a just exquisitely delightful ending.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: The endings of both movies are going to shock you.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Don't watch these unless you're okay with some gore.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: Wait till you watch Resident Evil, my friend.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because oh boy.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: So ready or not, uh love that one.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: I am also going to recommend.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to go a little different.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: There's a movie on, I want to say it's on Netflix, called Day Shift.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: With Jamie Foxx.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Don't know this one.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's a vampire movie.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: Do not confuse it with Day Watch.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Do not confuse it with Daybreak, which I think is zombies.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Day Shift is Jamie Foxx as essentially a kind of gig economy contract vampire hunter.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it has some of the coolest action scenes.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: It has Snoop Dogg show up at some point in the middle, like selling them rocket launchers and things.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: But like the introduction to the movie is he is pretending to clean a pool until all the witnesses drive away and then he goes into an old lady's house to kill her because she's a vampire.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: And the ensuing fight is done with a balletic contortionist dressed up as the old woman.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so she can bend into the most horrifying shapes.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it is filmed to look like that's happening fast, right?
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like obviously they filmed it very carefully because the mushels you use as a contortionist to bend yourself Scorpion backwards are not fast twitch muscles.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so they did things like they would have her up against the wall, you know, with her neck craned against it at a weird angle and her legs over the top of her body and her arms in weird positions.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then they kind of film it backwards and then edit it forward.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it looks like he threw her against the wall and she crunched up and then she heals herself and comes back.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's just it's so clever.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: The entire movie is clever.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: They are doing cool things with the chases, with the fight scenes.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's Jamie Foxx, who I think everyone, every human being is genetically predisposed to love Jamie Foxx.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so that is a good one that I want people to watch.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: And on that note, I'm gonna recommend two more that I am kind of recommending just because of how clever they are and how much I like the star in them.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a movie that came out a few years ago called Totally Killer.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Don't know this one either.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's got Kiernan Shipka, okay, who was in the Sabrina show.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: The really dark one that came out a few years ago.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: She's in this one.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Her mother survived a horrible slasher movie style attack in the 80s.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Or 90s.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember what.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Something around there.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then she, the daughter, gets thrown back in time to the week or so of that rash of slasher killings.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so she is with her mom and her mom's friends when they're in high school.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: So you get some funny try to fit in in the 80s kind of stuff while also knowing that, knowing from the future who was killed and in what order and things like that.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so she's trying to stop it.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: It is science fiction, it is horror, it is comedy.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's a really fun movie.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's a fun take on the whole send back in time, save your friends.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm down for this.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Do we need to do another episode?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: Are we out of time?
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: We are out of time.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna recommend one more.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: Please.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: This is the last of my please watch this.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: No one will save you.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's starring Caitlin Deaver.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Who was um Loretta in Justified.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: She was in some Tim Allen show that my dad watches that I don't remember the name of.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I like her a lot.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: She was in Book Smart.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: She's great.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, this movie has five spoken words in the entire movie.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: It is essentially completely dialogueless.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: It is a uh home invasion movie that is also a creature movie, and I don't want to say what the creatures are.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: And it is her by herself, essentially with no dialogue the entire time, dealing with some past trauma that we don't entirely understand at first, and dealing with this horrible uh situation all by herself, and it's just fun.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: It is not a comedy the way these others are, but I think the gimmick of there's no script and there's no speaking in it works really well.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: You still understand what's going on.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is conveyed through facial expressions and you know meaningful silences and special effects of monsters.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: So no one will save you.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: No one will save you.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: These are some solid recommendations.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, thanks.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm super excited to check these out.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Go have a happy Halloween, everyone.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: Get lots of candy and all that stuff.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what adults do for Halloween.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: I live stream.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't either.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Are we doing another one?
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: We can.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: Let's not do another one.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just make this one a little longer.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna recommend a handful.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: Recommend some more.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: We've got time.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, first, I've been talking a lot.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have anything else you want to recommend?
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh, mine are the easy ones of like, if for some reason you have never seen Coraline, go watch Coraline.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: With Wild Woods about to come out, Leica's just a beautiful thing.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: Go watch Coraline.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to think if there's like any indie stuff that I've seen, but most of them have just been like the headliners.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: Horror to me is one of those hard ones because do you count jaw as horror?
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Jaws?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: I would include it as horror.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: I would too.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think it is filmed as a horror rather than as a thriller.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think that line can be very blurry.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm fine with that.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like the reason that we name genres is so they're easier to sell.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: It it doesn't matter where you draw the line.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: If you think something is horrific, it's horrific.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Is Sinners a horror movie?
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: Even though maybe only 20 minutes of it is horror.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: I would say sure.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think you could argue Sinners is horror, but it is so much more than that.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: We will not get into Sinners because when Brandon and Dan are next, you guys are chatting sinners.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because Brandon finally saw it.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: I hesitate to say that something can be more than horror, because that sounds like we're diminishing horror.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that is not what we mean by that phrase.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: What we mean is that it is many different genres all at once.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: All of which are equally delightful.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so one that I've talked about previously on the show is called Handsome Guys.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is a Korean movie.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: It is a Korean version of Tucker and Dale versus Evil.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Got it.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I said that I think it's better than Tucker and Dale.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: And Brandon lost his mind.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, he did.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to be clear with audiences, I do love Tucker and Dale versus Evil.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's a fantastic movie.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: I recommend it to everybody.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Last year the company did like a in an internal newsletter or something.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: What horror movies do the officers recommend?
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: I recommended Tucker and Dale and Cabin in the Woods because I love them.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: I do think Handsome Guys is even better than a movie I already love.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think that the plot is more complete.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Tucker and Dale kind of gets by just on vibes in the third act without really knowing how to wrap itself up.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Handsome Guys knows exactly how to wrap itself up.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think they have iterated on the movie in a way that improves it.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, without denigrating Tucker and Dale at all, Handsome Guys is really, really cool.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I think Handsome Guys should love it.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I need to get that.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see what else I have on my list.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want a weird one?
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: I always like weird ones.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, you actually reminded me, for those who are like outside of the cinema space, do you do much like anime for horror or anything like that?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that's your stuff.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: For those who are looking for like anime, go watch Parasite.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Parasite is a weird one that's like body horror, Parasite gets in the body and stuff.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Action horror, I'd put it in there.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: If you're looking for something that's like a little freaky deaky, Parasite's a good one.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: And this is an anime, this is not the best picture winner from like five years ago.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: But you should go watch that as well because it's pretty good.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but no, they happen to be named two separate things.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: But what's what's your weird one?
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I'm gonna give you an extremely weird one.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: That I kind of recommend most people don't watch.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh boy.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: This was also on my list last year of these are Dan's horror movies.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's one called Be My Cat.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard anything about this movie?
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: It is an incredibly small indie production from Romania.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: And the guy who wrote it and directed it is also the star.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it is about the entire movie is a video log that he makes so that he can mail it to Anne Hathaway so that she will come to Romania and star in his movie about a woman who becomes a cat.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: And the whole thing, and it's important to know going in that this was a script he wrote, not how he actually feels about Anne Hathaway.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay, okay.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: Good cognitive.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, he hires three kind of aspiring actresses to come and audition so that he can pick which one will, because he wants to make a little demo.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Ann Hathaway, I love you so much.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think you're perfect, I think you're the best actress for this role.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna show you a little bit about the movie I want to make.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm using this other actress, but don't worry, I don't love her, I love you.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it's incredibly creepy.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: And without him ever coming right out and admitting it, it's very obvious that he has an incredibly dangerous and violent fixation on Anne.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: And bad things happen to all of those actresses.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: And it is as cinema verite as you can get.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: It really is just a guy holding his own camera, and so everything about it looks painfully, uncomfortably real.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: As he is like, uh, you know, I'm sorry that actress didn't fit into the costume, and so I did what I had to do, but you're gonna fit the costume perfectly.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Don't worry.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's not how I am in real life, you know?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: And oh.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting chills.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like it sounds uh, it's all in English.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's a couple of Romanian bits here and there when the actresses refuse to speak English, but most of it is all in English.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: It is not a movie for everybody.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: But anyone who just heard me describe it and thought that sounds cool, you're the audience for it.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so don't watch it unless you're ready for it.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, is this for lack of a better term, is it rated?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: But the thing is, he did not have anything approaching a budget.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, when there's blood, it's very obviously fake blood, and he didn't have the practical effects to like stab somebody and make it look real.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so the stabbing will happen off-screen and blood will splash.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's no nudity that I remember.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: There's probably some language in it.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the rating is not going to give you an accurate representation of the movie because it's just uncomfortable for what it's saying rather than what it's showing.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was just, as you know, terrible habit of me picking up my phone.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: This time it is podcast related.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: The food has arrived.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: The food's arrived.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I'm gonna get Matt Hatch to deliver it for us because he happened to pass by it.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, hey, is this yours?
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it only makes sense that the VP of operations comes and uh brings it over real quick.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, here I'm I'm gonna throw another couple of movies at you.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: We you know what?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: We made a promise at the beginning of this podcast.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: We have to eat food.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it's we gotta get food eating.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: We can't leave the food on the mantle, so to speak.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so this movie's old.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: This movie's 15 years old, but did you ever watch Attack the Block?
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, but the name is super familiar.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: So this was John Boyega from Star Wars and Jody Whitaker from Doctor Who before any of that stuff came out.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so it is pre-fame for both of them.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: It is my very favorite alien invasion movie of all time.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: I would not have gotten alien invasion from the name.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Is basically some creepy meteor crashes in like a really bad part of London and a woman and a bunch of gang members all unite to try to save everybody and fight these dangerous monsters that come out of the meteor.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Matt, it's super cool.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone watch Attack the Block.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: Attack the Block.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Matt.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to come say hi on camera real quick?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:22
  unknown: Where's the camera?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: There's a camera there, and you talk into them, Mike.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: Service.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: Service, right?
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: Service right on the tail.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: You you have fulfilled promise.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Matt.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: You should go watch his episode as well.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: He did a very good job.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know we let him on this show.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: We did.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: He made some rankings.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: It was very fun.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because you mentioned Parasite, and I thought about the live action movie.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: This is also on my list as well.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: Bong Jun-ho, the director who made Parasite.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, he also made, like 20 years ago, a movie called The Host, which is a really wonderful monster movie.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: I know this one.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: You speak, I'm gonna grab the napkins real quick.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: But hey, audience.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna have to talk to myself about the host.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it is basically poisons and toxins and pollution in a big river in Korea have created a giant monster who snatches people, and he snatches a little girl, and the family unites to bring her back.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: It is funny, it is adventurous, it is also very scary.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: The monster effects are super cool.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: So the host.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: There is a more recent host.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: You're looking for the Korean 2006.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: What's the movie that came out?
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was last year.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: Is it The Substance?
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Have you seen The Substance?
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: I wish.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's the next one on my list to watch.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, you gotta watch The Substance.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: That movie, I didn't know about it until like, you know, everyone blew it up online.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was an Oscar winner, or at least it was it was nominated.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: To me, Moore was nominated for Best Actor.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: She kills it in that.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: That movie's crazy.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely a you have to be into that kind of vibe kind of movie because it's freaky deaky, but you're gonna love the substance.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: I the two I would give you is like substance, Resident Evil, yeah, immediately.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like I am very excited for both of those.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: The only reason I haven't seen Resident Evil is because it's in theaters.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's in theaters.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I watch movies in my pajamas on a chair.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so but I really love Zack Kreger.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, dude, weapons.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: See, and I haven't seen weapons yet either.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: I watched Barbarian.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Which is amazing.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think this week.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's the other one I watched.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there you go.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Loved Barbarian.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Basically knew the entire plot going in.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: What I didn't know was how innovative the structure of the movie was.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because Act One, two, and three really feel like three different movies that are perfectly and ingeniously combined together.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: I am super excited for you.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know the premise of Weapons?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: As like someone Okay, so you know the premise.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: I won't get too into the pitch.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: For the audience, if you have not seen Weapons, Weapons whole thing is like this whole classroom of kids disappears for some apparent reason.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: They all leave in the middle of the night at the exact same time, and it follows the town that this all happens in.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's a multi-perspective kind of movie, so you get to see lots of different versions of this story break out through all of it.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: And without, you know, giving away anything from it, it's I think stronger than Resident Evil.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's better than Barbarian.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: I do.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: I love Barbarian.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: Don't get me wrong.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think Weapons found the right tone for the story it's telling.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: His script writing, without getting too much into how he does kind of weapons.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: I just think that the tension he builds throughout the entire movie is so palpable.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same thing you brought up with obsession, where there are a lot of questions you are allowed to ask throughout the movie, and even after the fact of like, whoa, okay, what was some of the point for this?
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm super excited for you to see it.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk about this for a bit.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be like a two-hour episode.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Brandon has stuff to do, so we keep to a strict schedule.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: Donald and I have nothing going on in our lives.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, right.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: So we can just talk about horror movies forever.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: I am fascinated by Zach Kreger and by Jordan Peel.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because two of the most innovative and interesting horror directors came from sketch comedy.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: And what do you think it is about sketch comedy that prepares these guys so perfectly for what they're doing?
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think it is the exact same thing of like of adrenaline.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: The reason the how I explain this is they have been trained their whole career to figure out what gets people to laugh.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: They know what's gonna make someone tick, what improv they need to do for that, how to be fast on their feet.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think that is such a natural transition to oh, what is the opposite of joy or of laughter is genuine fear.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think they just reverse quite literally their training and go, okay, this beat, I know that this is gonna be a funny joke.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, if I just re reverse that into if my shot or if my scene has to go beat, beat, beat, this beat is the exact timing I need to really lock in the tension.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: So while one movie is not a single person, a director is nothing without their team.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you absolutely people, you know, those who are in cinema will understand or in filmography will go, yeah, the director is going to lead that team.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: But if the team isn't dependable exceptionally well, doesn't have the right AD, D, etc.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: etc., your movie is gonna fall apart.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: They have cultivated the team they need to make those kind of films.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think that they are the perfect spear to be like, here's the vision, and the rest of them are perfect at executing the rest of that.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: The cinematography in Get Out and the lighting, the score for all of Get Out is masterful.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what your favorite Jordan Peel is.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: That Get Out is probably mine.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_00: Get out is really good, but my favorite is actually Nope.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: Which is I think everyone's least favorite.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's Us did not work for me.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: Same.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's good.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: Us is all sizzle and extremely little stake.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: At least for me.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't feel like it comes together at the end.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: I can agree.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: And like the revelation of what's going on is, oh, really?
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, most people disagree with me, and that's that's fine.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: Nope, uh, I adore.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh nope is one of those, it's not quite to the level of I've never seen this movie before, but the way the ideas are combined together.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: The way things you didn't think related suddenly become thematically vital to the movie.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: Plus, it's got, you know, the single, I think, scariest shot of a movie that I've seen.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to give anything away, but I'll tell you afterwards.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: I I'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: We're being spoiler-free because we want you to watch these movies.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's accompanied by a lot of screaming.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it's primarily red.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: I do know what we're talking about.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, it's it's pretty spooky.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: That one shot has sat with me longer than I think any other single shot or scene from a horror movie.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's so short.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's so short.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like three or four seconds.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: But you just go, oh.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I love it.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: Can you pick just one?
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, it might be an impossible question.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: What is your favorite horror movie?
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is there just cream of the crop, top of the top?
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: And while you chew, I think for me, so that I can, you know, actually eat food.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: I am tempted to say cabin in the woods because I think at the the peak of the mountain, if you have watched all the other horrors, Cabin in the Woods is the dilation of both understanding what horror is and also knows exactly how to go.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: This is the biggest tribute to all of horror that has ever been made.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it is the perfect encapsulation of both.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it is so well written that you're just like, yeah, that is horror.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: I love Cabot in the Woods for that exact reason.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: I love Scream for the same reason.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's fair.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote papers about Scream in college.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh I love Scream.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: Those two I think are in my pantheon of best.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: There's a very old movie called The Changelink with George C.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: Scott, which is my favorite haunted house movie ever.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: And part of the reason that it works is because most horror movies are about, you know, naive and defenseless people.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: And you see, you know, the final girl in a horror movie, and you think, well, of course she's going to die.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: She's 16 years old.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: She weighs 100 pounds, soaking wet.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, there's no way she can get through this.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: The changeling has George C.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: Scott, who is a big dude who always played loud brash warriors.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's General Patton.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: He's the leader in the war room in Doctor Strangelow.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: And when you see him freaked out by something, it really just is like, okay, if if if this is freaking out George C.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: Scott, right.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's also got two moments in it that just really hit hard.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: At least for me.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: Two moments where I was like, ooh.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: To your point about comedy and horror, there's a horror author who sadly passed away a few years ago.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: His name is Michael Collins, also from Utah.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he used to say that horror and comedy are the two genres that are trying to produce a distinct physical response.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: You read science fiction or fantasy or romance or thriller or whatever it is, and you're into the story and you love the characters and whatever.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_01: But for the most part, that's in your head.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas comedy is trying to make you laugh out loud.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_01: And horror is trying to get this frosone of fear to run up your spine and go, oh, or to make you shout or to make you something.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: And The Changeling is one of the only horror movies that's done that for me.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's that would make a lot of sense.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: So that's up there.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: What else?
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: What else do I have on my list?
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_01: Let the Right One In.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_01: Don't you?
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: You've not seen that one?
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it's based on a Swedish book.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it is the story of a 12-year-old boy.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's the original movie, Let the Right One In, and then there's an American remake called Let Me In, which isn't as good, but is surprisingly good for an American remake of a foreign film, which usually are all terrible.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: So he's 12 years old, and a new girl and her father move in.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it turns out that she is a centuries-old vampire.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_01: And the father is the thrall that she keeps around to do things that require an adult.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it is more pensive than most vampire movies.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: It is not really about terror, although there are some scary moments in it.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: It is primarily about loneliness and about not fitting in with groups of people.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, even the father, there's hints that the thrall is a pedophile, and that that's why he's willing to do all this stuff for this little girl vampire.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: He is also, you know, a horrible outcast in the world who doesn't fit in anywhere, and he's not a good person.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: Let's be upfront about that.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: No, that makes sense.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it's a friendship story between this little boy and this ancient vampire who looks like a 12-year-old girl and hasn't really had a friend in most of those hundreds of years.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: And meets this boy and kind of, you know, she gets him and he gets her in a way they've never really had before.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so while it's very dark and very Swedish, I don't know.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's just such a layered movie, and I love it.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: I had the opportunity to watch this movie in Brighton, England at the World Horror Convention.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Where John Lundkist or Lindqist, who's the author of the book, was there and did a little showing of the movie, and there were like eight of us in the room, and we watched the thing, and then we got to talk to him about it.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was really cool.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's that's one of my favorites.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it sounds very anime.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: There, there's so many animes that are, for lack of a better term, the same premise, right?
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_00: Ancient thousand-year-old being hangs out with new kid.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_00: This sounds like a very interesting take on that version.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: Speaking of anime, I do have one I should pitch to you.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: Have you played or seen anything about Castlevania?
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, have you watched the Netflix adaptation?
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: I watched some of it.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: You should- It was multiple episodes, right?
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: Multiple episodes.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because I watched at least one and maybe two of them.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: You should, at the very least, and I say this to all the audience, from season one, which I think it's just four episodes, up to the end of season two.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's the the whole Dracula storyline.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the best animated stuff Netflix has ever put out.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's fantastic.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: What I saw was gorgeous.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: Arcane is hard to beat, but that has a budget that's ridiculous that no one's ever gonna touch.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_00: So besides Arcane, this is one of my favorite things they've ever done.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's gorgeous, it's down into earth.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: Are you comparing it to Arcane because it's the same studio or just in terms of beautiful animation that I think animation?
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's not 3D, it's 2D animated, but I mean it's got some of my favorite animated fight scenes.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: The dialogue on it's hilarious, the scripts are great.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: If there was a show to pitch like to you, go watch Castlevania.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: You'll get through it in like the reason that I didn't finish it is because my wife thought it was too gory and didn't want it on in the background while she was doing stuff.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, most of the horror that I watch, she's not home anyway.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's gonna say so that's when I can watch it.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: I would 100% I do want to give that note to the audience that of all the creepy, awful things I watch, Castlevania is the one where my wife was like, please turn this off.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's shocking from some of the movies we have described, but I can take that note.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_00: Castlevania is still amazing, everyone should go watch it.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm realizing you were you're deep in the cinema side.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have a favorite horror book?
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I know this.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_00: Favorite horror novel?
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: Novel, thank you.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: That was the word I'm looking for.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't actually read a lot of horror.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's the weird thing.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: I write it.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm famous because of it.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: But uh I don't read a ton of horror.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, this episode's already gone so long.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_00: How long is it so far?
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, let's wrap in 10 minutes.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_00: Did we get an hour?
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: Probably.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: Close to it.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: I will end with this.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: You and I are of different age.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: You've probably got about 20 years on me.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_00: Creepypasta.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: Has this ever been a part of your life?
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_00: And when I mean creepypasta, I mean backrooms is now the most famous example.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_00: That was a internet created myth, myth that, you know, it's been extrapolated and all that fun stuff.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: But some of the famous ones, you know, you could argue, to like the ones that I would immediately.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_00: Slenderman.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: Slenderman is an original creepypasta that came from the internet.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's the one I will use for this example.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my friend.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good one to use because Backrooms and Slender Man are the only creepypastas that I think I could call out by name.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: Creepypasta has not really been something that I seek out and and rarely stumble upon.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: I know that there's a lot of that stuff.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm aware of some of the more famous SCP-100.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that was my next example.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: Backrooms is really the first one where I paid a lot of attention to it.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: And that's honestly probably because the gatekeepers, right?
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like some big movie studio says this is worth paying attention to, and I did.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: And that is just an unexamined prejudice inside my own mind that was like, I don't have time for a bunch of people in an internet forum making up bad guys.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_01: But when it becomes a real thing, then I'll give it my time and attention.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that's probably not fair to creepy pastas, but yeah, I sometimes think I'm just too old for creepypastas.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_00: And that's mainly where I was actually wondering of just since that wasn't something you grew up with.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like SCP is something I, you know, at 16 was like, this is the coolest thing in the world.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_00: I can read about all these interesting entities and the fact that it's community built.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think creepypasta is slowly, not slowly, but has its own potential of like, this is how people are indie publishing.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's been fascinating to watch some of these people be able to go and be like, yeah, I write on heart slash no sleep, this very famous one on Reddit.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_00: And they get their books indie published.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then sometimes they go into traditional.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like Creepypasta to me is a fascinating space of where authors can sometimes be found now because they exist.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_00: Creepypasta, I think, has just grown in over the last 10 years.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I just swallowed wrong.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: So now I've got uh Cajun seasoning in my throat.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: I am certainly not anti-crowdsourced anything, right?
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like I think that fan fiction is a wonderful thing.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_01: Fan fiction writers and creators, that's essentially what is going on with creepypastas and SCPs.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: I love all of that.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad it exists.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think that it adds to the artistic repertoire of the human race in a way that is great.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: If I can, I'm gonna shout out one thing because you've reminded me of this.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: If you have any interest at all at creepypasta, or if you're like, I should just see what people are writing, there's an excellent podcast called Creepcast by two YouTubers named Wendigoon and Meat Canyon.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard of Wendagoon?
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_00: Wendigoon is very famous for doing like all of the cryptids.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's his whole channel is like the cryptid iceberg talking about stuff like that.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes he'll have random videos that are like, let's talk about Waco, and you're like, oh, that's a whole thing.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, learned about that one recently.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_00: Man, talking about horror.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, he's big cryptid, fantastic YouTuber.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_00: But their little podcast, they go through a ton of their, you know, of the the creep bosses.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, wow, people are good at writing.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I hope that they find deals and stuff, because there's some truly terrifying stuff.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: The written form is a horrifying thing.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: But uh clearly you and I need to start our own podcast where we talk about horror stuff because we have not shut up for over an hour.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, man, I should maybe think about some video games that I love that are like in the horror space.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: Have you played Dead Space?
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: I have not.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: I will not go on my tank.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_01: There was a horror video game called, and I can't remember what it's called.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: It took place in an asylum.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_01: And Outlast.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_01: It was probably Outlast.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: You had a little video camera that you could use the night vision to see in the dark.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's outlast.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: It ran down the battery.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: My oldest son is enormous.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's huge, giant broad shoulders, second degree black belt.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_01: He was so scared of that game that he made me sit with him when he would play it.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_01: And we're talking like as a senior in high school.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, I have not played.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think the only horror video game that I've actually played all the way through is Doki Doki Literature Club.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and that's a great one.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_01: Which one time, do you remember this?
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: We used to do.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_01: I, dear listener, Donald and I met when I started a DD campaign on Twitch, and we needed someone to be the producer and run all the cameras.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: And Brandon suggested Donald.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so we knew long before either of us worked for this company, we knew each other.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: And one of our players was Charlie Holmg, who said that she was getting into dating sims.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I remember.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, this is perfect.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, You want to know what dating sim I really loved?
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_01: Doki Doki Literature Club.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: You should absolutely play that.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_01: And she had been talking about playing them like on Twitch, where people could watch her play.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, please do this.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: I promise I will watch.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it was going to be so funny.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_01: And she'd get to the creepy stuff and lose her mind.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_01: And Donald immediately said, No, no, don't do that.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's really scary.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to mess you up.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's because the best joke I've ever played on anyone.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_00: Look, I agree in hindsight.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was, man, this must have been early typecast as well.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_00: It was pretty early.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_00: That makes sense.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_00: Because the Charlie I knew early on was like, oh, Charlie's so sweet and she's going to hate this kind of thing.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_00: And now knowing Charlie, I'm like, oh no, that absolutely would have been fantastic.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_00: Charlie, for saying this, you're awesome.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I could go back in time.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: Same.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: She actually may have just forgotten that you warned her against that, and maybe I could try again.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: You could.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a couple years.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: But now she hasn't uh she she's not interested currently in uh live streaming herself playing dating sims.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_00: So it wouldn't be as good.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's busy.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't blame her for it for particularly.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: She's the only author I know who I think is busier than Brandon is.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_00: Excuse me.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm inclined to agree.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: And writes like six books a year.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: And like full-size books.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, okay.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: It is time for us to be done.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it is.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_00: We got three.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna close.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna spend our last three minutes.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna recommend a movie from 2001.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_00: Do it.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_01: Brotherhood of the Wolf.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_01: You would love this movie so much.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it is the most bizarre mishmash of genres.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um it is about the beast of Givaudan, which is the very famous French werewolf stories from real life.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh something was killing people and killing uh cattle and stuff, and they thought that it I I've just been doing this, maybe that's showing up in your screen.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_01: That was a real historical thing, and this movie is about that.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people in real life thought that it was a werewolf, and of course, that was never proved or disproved by anyone.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so this movie is about an explorer, a Frenchman who went to America and made friends with a Native American martial artist played by Mark DeCascos, who is Asian.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: He was the Iron Chef America guy.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: If you've ever watched Iron Chef America, they had their own chairman instead of the original chairman.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_01: He was the chairman of Iron Chef America.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_01: Before he did that, he was uh Money, the Native American Kung Fu master.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so French Explorer and his Native American martial artist best friend and bodyguard come back and they are on an official mission to hunt down maybe he's English instead of French, either way.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone else in the whole movie is French to figure out what the Beast of Gavadon is and stop it from doing whatever it's doing.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so it is about horrific evil and corruption in the French nobility, while also being a really good creature monster story, sure, while also being a fantastic martial arts kung fu action movie.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_01: It has a lot of gore, it has a lot of horror, it has a lot of nudity, including the best fade transition of all time in the history of cinema.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_01: You will watch the movie and you'll go, oh yeah, he's right.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_01: You'll know it instantly when it happens, and you'll be like, okay, he's he's correct.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's the best.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_01: The villain, when the villain is finally revealed, they are incredibly creepy.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's just when, you know, everything about it is weird and awesome.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of those, to bring this full circle back to what we said.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of those movies where halfway through I was like, I have never seen this movie before, and I'm so excited by it.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_00: Can I say I'm not shocked this is a movie you haven't seen before by the general description you just gave?
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds so good.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's so good.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I can be tempted by this.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_00: I will watch Castlevania.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_00: You watch Brotherhood of the Wolf.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_00: Brotherhood of the Wolf.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_00: I will make that my top priority movie to watch.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: But I think this has been a very successful podcast episode.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, if you're still here, we appreciate you.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: We I have seen many comments saying they want longer episodes.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_00: We accomplished that.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: You got a longer episode.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: You did.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_01: Complete with French fries.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: And the, you know, I was going to say the depths of Dan's Twisted Psyche.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, we didn't get anywhere near.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: Barely drilled into it.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm disappointed you didn't eat your burger, but also I've been doing this for the last 20 minutes because I have Cajun seasoning all over my fingers.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: I have no shame.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, next time we're here, sinners.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_01: Goodbye.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_01: And we need to give Ben a Yeah, you gotta give Ben something.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_01: Ben, you're gonna watch Train to Boost On.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: Best, maybe my favorite zombie movie of all time.