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The Lie About “Making It” | Hannah Dasher · The Stephan Hogan Podcast

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SPEAKER_03: So you said something before we started about uh the power of the tongue.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_03: And I would like you to talk to me a little bit about that.
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SPEAKER_03: And has it always been that way?
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SPEAKER_03: And is this more recent?
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SPEAKER_03: And what changed in you to make you realize that?
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SPEAKER_02: Uh yes, the power of life and death lies in the tongue.
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SPEAKER_02: That's Proverbs, I believe, 1821.
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SPEAKER_02: Um what you what you put out there not to sound like a hippie, I reckon I am.
0:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but but I think our words carry power and energy, and the devil hears your words and he can use that against you, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And uh I think more times than not history's proven that a positive mindset and a positive attitude makes a huge difference, even in people's health.
0:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh and and so uh like I was telling you guys earlier, uh in the South, it's it's kosher, it's common when when when asked, How are you doing, uh, girls often respond, fat and sassy.
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SPEAKER_02: And I've always said that until a few months ago.
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SPEAKER_02: And as God is my witness, uh, I've stopped saying that and just started saying, Oh, I'm blessed, honey, I'm blessed, I'm doing good, girl, just anything but fat and sassy.
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SPEAKER_02: And since uh since stopping saying that, I've dropped 10 pounds, and I hadn't changed my routine.
1:30
SPEAKER_02: I hadn't changed anything other than what comes out of my mouth.
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SPEAKER_02: So my mouth got me in trouble a lot.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't sugarcoat stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: So the power of life and death lies in the tongue.
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SPEAKER_02: It can kill a career if you say the wrong thing to the wrong the right thing to the wrong person, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Uh anyhow.
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SPEAKER_03: When has that happened?
1:53
SPEAKER_02: When when oh heavens.
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SPEAKER_03: And was it out of frustration or ego?
1:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh uh I'm sure it's been out of out of both.
2:00
SPEAKER_02: It's been out of hurt.
2:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh um there's been moments years ago when I felt robbed of my creativity.
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SPEAKER_02: And I won't divulge much into that, but uh, you know, there's a Grammy Award or two with my name on it that I wasn't given credit for, but who's keeping up?
2:18
SPEAKER_02: Who gives a shit?
2:19
SPEAKER_02: You can't take it with you when you go.
2:22
SPEAKER_02: You know, Elvis is is nobody in heaven.
2:26
SPEAKER_02: Jesus is everything up there, right?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, we are all we're literally all equal, and we're only here for just a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02: And that may sound contrived and um closed-minded or rednecked, but I don't care.
2:38
SPEAKER_02: It's uh it's honestly the truth.
2:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, what we're doing down here.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm just a tool in God's big old toolbox that he's using to lead people in a better place than I found them.
2:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm in public service.
2:51
SPEAKER_02: They don't serve me.
2:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm a public servant as an entertainer.
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SPEAKER_02: And that mindset has just lifted a huge weight off of my shoulders.
3:00
SPEAKER_03: And uh What developed that mindset?
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SPEAKER_02: Well, losing my uh record deal, I think God had to really get my attention in some way because coaching music was number one.
3:12
SPEAKER_02: I think we talked about this last time.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but he's like, no, girl, I'm number one.
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SPEAKER_02: Nothing else can come before me, kind of a thing.
3:22
SPEAKER_02: And I'm hard headed.
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SPEAKER_02: And you know, when I was growing up, mothers always said, you know, she couldn't just swap my hand and say, no, don't do that.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh you had to really get my attention because I'm hardheaded, which works to my benefit sometimes with this industry, right?
3:37
SPEAKER_02: But uh, but God had to really get my attention and uh and humble me.
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SPEAKER_02: And thank God he did, cause uh my relationships have improved and my finances have improved and my physique and I mean just uh it hasn't been an easy ride by any means, but I'm a lot better version of Hannah Dasher than I was two years ago, four years ago.
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SPEAKER_02: Eight years ago.
4:05
SPEAKER_03: I can tell.
4:07
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you just seem happy.
4:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: You have a like a sparkle about you.
4:13
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_03: You always have had a sparkle, but it's a little different vibe.
4:18
SPEAKER_03: I appreciate that.
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SPEAKER_03: You just seem like you're thriving.
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SPEAKER_03: What have you been stoked on lately?
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love making music with my boys.
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SPEAKER_02: I've got a great band.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh they're so talented, and uh they love me and I love them.
4:35
SPEAKER_02: And uh we just played a really good show at Bristol and brought a big old crowd out.
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SPEAKER_02: I was so blessed, so gifted, uh not gifted, but so just uh blown away that we had a big crowd.
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SPEAKER_02: But we had uh what else am I excited about?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean the cookbook's doing well, you know.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, let's talk about that.
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SPEAKER_03: So back to a viral moment in the kitchen.
4:58
SPEAKER_03: Circa what year?
5:01
SPEAKER_02: 2020.
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SPEAKER_02: 2021.
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SPEAKER_03: Circa 2020.
5:06
SPEAKER_03: Um here we are.
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SPEAKER_03: Stand by your pant.
5:11
SPEAKER_03: Let me see if I can get this right.
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SPEAKER_03: You were you were on Good Morning America, which is really cool.
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SPEAKER_02: Just to do War America, that was fun.
5:18
SPEAKER_03: Um, we'll have to talk about that.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh top 10 uh in terms of Amazon's books that they're like recommending, something like that, right?
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SPEAKER_02: It's top ten worldwide right now for southern cuisine, food, and wine.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh yes.
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SPEAKER_03: That and then it's one of like a book that was like one of the top books also being recommended or on some other thing with Amazon.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh it's number one country music.
5:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and country music.
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SPEAKER_02: Overall books by all country music, because I guess so.
5:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but you can say that.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know, can I say that?
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SPEAKER_02: But yeah, we're beating out Dolly and Reba and everybody.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a big country music books, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Robert Orman.
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SPEAKER_02: I love you, Robert Orman.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, I'm tickled over that.
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SPEAKER_02: Because it's so much more than a cookbook, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And I had to.
6:03
SPEAKER_03: Well, let's talk about that.
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SPEAKER_02: I had to take a hiatus uh for three years to write the thing while touring, still touring, but uh, you know, I've not released much music in the last couple of years because I was uh writing this.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh but I approached it a lot like I do songwriting.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh uh I didn't want a whole long paragraph or page before every recipe.
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SPEAKER_02: Who's gonna read that?
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SPEAKER_02: Um but I did want to write something that would get your attention and and make you chuckle.
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SPEAKER_02: And so uh you'll have that.
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SPEAKER_02: Even if you don't cook, it's definitely worth the read.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's the feedback that I'm getting from folks that they're just that they're they start it and they don't put it down until it's done.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and I'm tickled by that.
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SPEAKER_02: So uh yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: How did you decide to frame it like the arc from like end to beginning?
6:51
SPEAKER_03: Did you see the end and work your way back?
6:54
SPEAKER_02: Um, I had a great team of people at HarperCollins, and uh they uh again it takes a village, and it was it's a lot like having a record deal too.
7:05
SPEAKER_02: You've got a lot of a lot of chiefs and the TP, and uh you give credit where it's due and where it's not due sometimes just for the sake of getting the project done, right?
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SPEAKER_02: So, you know, there may be a few things that I would change.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, but overall, I think it's an incredible book, and they were so stoked about it.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh why kill that energy, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Um it's a really, really what'd you say?
7:31
SPEAKER_02: Why why kill that energy, right?
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SPEAKER_02: You know, because I yeah, because there might, you know, this this page is too busy or it's something stupid.
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SPEAKER_02: It doesn't amount to anything in the end, right?
7:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh and we can cut that out if we have to.
7:42
SPEAKER_02: That may not say too much there.
7:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a it's a collaborative effort.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, but they suggested they made great suggestions as far as the history, you know, talking about the history.
7:52
SPEAKER_02: Um, I wanted to include uh some recipes that had gone viral, and then many, obviously, that it that that hadn't, uh, but what I've considered to be staples that that I want to hang around.
8:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh I think a woman ought to know how to make a good macaroni and cheese or a good dressing at Thanksgiving.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, or a good pecan pie.
8:46
SPEAKER_02: And uh because I toured the world as a musician, uh I I've just learned that all soul food's not created equal.
8:55
SPEAKER_02: And what we do from the low country where I grew up is very rare and special.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like we got the Geechee Goa African descendants who are known, they were bright colors and they paint their homes bright colors, and so they're known for just boldly flavoring their food.
9:11
SPEAKER_02: When that married the techniques of the of my European ancestors from Austria, the Salt Burgers is what they're called.
9:20
SPEAKER_02: Boom, something really awesome happens, and we just got really, really good food down there north of Savannah.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyhow, and so these are the best versions, in my opinion, of what you'll get in a macaroni cheese and collard greens and black-eyed peas.
9:34
SPEAKER_02: Uh, not rocket science, but the texture and the flavor is gonna hurt people's feelings.
9:41
SPEAKER_03: In all the right ways.
9:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:43
SPEAKER_02: And you'll and I've got a Tammy Wynette recipe in there and uh Naomi Judd and uh maybe one other hero.
9:51
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's escaping me right now.
9:52
SPEAKER_02: But uh Winona was kind enough to endorse the book and Oh, that's awesome.
9:56
SPEAKER_03: One of the things I think about is this book I read called The Third Door, and I don't know if you've read it.
10:02
SPEAKER_02: Not yet, forgive me.
10:04
SPEAKER_02: Do you have it on audio?
10:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I do.
10:06
SPEAKER_03: Okay, good.
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SPEAKER_03: And it's basically you're talking about how you can get in through the front door or the back door, and sometimes you have to get in through the the third door, which means there's basically security at the front, they ain't gonna let you in.
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SPEAKER_02: The ladder and the the attic.
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SPEAKER_03: I just said ain't because I'm talking to you.
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SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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SPEAKER_03: They're not gonna let you, they ain't, or at the back, and so it's like, what's that third door in?
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SPEAKER_03: I bet you imagine yourself being on Good Morning America as a musician, like playing.
10:35
SPEAKER_03: Do you know what I'm saying?
10:36
SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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SPEAKER_03: And then in a roundabout way, you're there because of a cookbook because of your music.
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SPEAKER_03: Third door third door.
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SPEAKER_03: So let's talk about that.
10:48
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
10:49
SPEAKER_02: Well, uh I think about Palm Sunday.
10:53
SPEAKER_02: Jesus didn't come to town on a Rolls Royce, did he?
10:56
SPEAKER_02: God got him there on a dang mule, a donkey.
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SPEAKER_02: But he got to town, didn't he?
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SPEAKER_02: That's my philosophy.
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SPEAKER_02: So we still got Jesus.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not him, but you know, people are still getting Hannah, whether it's for a cookbook or a TV show uh or a concert, they're still getting me.
11:18
SPEAKER_03: Was that fun?
11:19
SPEAKER_02: Lord, yes! Michael Strahan's a good looking thing.
11:21
SPEAKER_02: I had no idea how big and tall he was.
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SPEAKER_02: We they knocked my wig sideways accidentally or something before going on.
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SPEAKER_02: So I looked a little whoppy job, but who cares?
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SPEAKER_02: I was on TV, had a ball, um, and we'll do it again.
11:34
SPEAKER_02: I'm expecting some other uh national like slots this fall as we uh do another push and have some cute aprons coming out, sexy aprons.
11:45
SPEAKER_02: Haley need to get you one, I'll get you one.
11:49
SPEAKER_02: But but anyway, yeah, it's TV is fun, it feels natural and they don't really prepare you for that kind of thing.
11:55
SPEAKER_02: Uh don't really know what you're gonna cook until like four days before basically.
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SPEAKER_02: And um and there's no script, you just go off of it.
12:06
SPEAKER_03: But yeah.
12:07
SPEAKER_03: How important is it when you do stuff like that and you get the opportunity to try to keep nurturing those relationships?
12:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's so important.
12:17
SPEAKER_02: Um it's so important.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh my publicist uh I had them book that for me uh and so they're really, really protective of the contact information.
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SPEAKER_02: But while I'm there, I make sure to uh to shake hands and to remember people's names.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh um you know, my mother's always taught us when you enter the school building, speak to the janitor first.
12:45
SPEAKER_02: If that makes sense.
12:46
SPEAKER_02: And from what I understand, uh Garth Brooks, I've heard, is really good about things like that.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: And Dolly, and look at the careers that they've both had.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh I've heard they'll go to the lowliest person in the room and remember the most minute detail ever.
13:02
SPEAKER_02: Hey, how'd your kids' softball game tournament go?
13:06
SPEAKER_02: Last we spoke, kind of a thing.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's not hard to remember details like that about people if you really care.
13:13
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_03: Anyhow, so uh Do you think being kind is one of the most underrated parts of this whole business?
13:22
SPEAKER_02: Um no, I don't because I feel like there's been this movement about kindness, kindness, kindness.
13:30
SPEAKER_02: I think uh having the talent to go along with it is probably the underrated part.
13:35
SPEAKER_02: If I can be honest, but there's lots of talent out there.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh I didn't move here to get a miscongeniality award.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but uh I had something to say and something to offer, but uh I think kindness is a byproduct of my faith and my upbringing.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And I can have a lot of people.
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SPEAKER_03: Have you been more open in your faith in the last couple years?
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SPEAKER_02: Probably.
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SPEAKER_03: Why?
14:04
SPEAKER_02: Why?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, because I can't help but talk about it.
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SPEAKER_02: Like Jesus is the biggest rock straw that ever lived.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't ever want to push that on you or anybody else, but he's done so much for me.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh, and if he could change if he could transform me, then I feel like he could transform anybody.
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SPEAKER_02: And I know that there's people that are that are hurting out there with a lot of hurt, whether it's marital problems or uh daddy problems or financial problems, whatever, but uh he's he's a fix-all ultimately.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh I don't know if you watch the news, but I think he's coming back pretty soon.
14:43
SPEAKER_04: And that's gonna be a concert.
14:45
SPEAKER_02: I don't blame you there.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't I didn't know about the Ed Shearing thing until like this morning with my whole Ed Sheeran tour.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I'm kind of lasting out now, but yeah, but anyway, but I just there's a I went to a prayer meeting, to be honest, uh, with a singer that I've friends with that I really look up to.
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SPEAKER_02: She's incredible at her home.
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SPEAKER_02: And Ricky Skaggs was there.
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SPEAKER_02: And he got up to pray, and they've always caught him the prophet.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'd never heard I didn't grow up Pentecostal, so I didn't I'd never heard that kind of stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but when he prayed, he said some things that really resonated with me and shook me, and he kept referring to us as the bride and Jesus as the bridegroom.
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SPEAKER_02: And I got to thinking as I was leaving that prayer meeting, I thought, Lord, if I'm the bride and you're the groom, we don't have much of a marriage, do we?
15:37
SPEAKER_02: I'm only talking to you once a week.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm only making time for you here and there.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, what kind of a husband would that be if he didn't talk to me as often as I'm, you know, as little as I talk to you?
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SPEAKER_02: And it really convicted me.
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SPEAKER_02: And and then I read that passage in Matthew that says, He'll say, I never knew you.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, there's like it talks about church people that tithe and all, that uh that won't go to heaven because they didn't have a relationship with him.
16:02
SPEAKER_02: And so I was like, well, let me let me shut up and let you do more more of the talking.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me just sit with you and be and listen.
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SPEAKER_02: And and man, like anyway, he reveals some really awesome stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't mean to get choked up on y'all, but uh, but God gave me a glimpse last year of of heaven.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and I wasn't on any any drugs.
16:26
SPEAKER_02: Y'all know I've got a history, I love mushrooms, all those kind of things, but I was sober as a judge.
16:31
SPEAKER_02: And he gave me a glimpse of a heavenly homecoming.
16:34
SPEAKER_02: And I hadn't really talked about this, but but uh if you have a pet, uh like imagine how excited somebody's dog gets when they come home from a long trip or you know, spinning around.
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SPEAKER_02: So take that and multiply it times a thousand, and that's how stoked God and Jesus were to welcome me into the gates.
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SPEAKER_02: It was wild.
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SPEAKER_02: And like, wow, like they were that excited, and and he was like, I get that excited to spend time with you and it just blew me away because I've always seen God as this corporate guy that's kind of like my dad, that's busy, you know, that uh you don't want to take up too much of their time because they're busy, you know, and he's God, he's busy.
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SPEAKER_02: But that's not who he is.
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SPEAKER_02: He he craves time with you.
17:23
SPEAKER_03: How did that happen?
17:25
SPEAKER_02: Um I have uh a really amazing group of girlfriends who have really strong paralyses and uh they say iron sharpens iron, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And so uh they just they love on me and uh I don't know, I've just I've got some really, really great Kaylee Bishop is one of those girls, she's an incredible singer, y'all check her out.
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SPEAKER_02: Um but uh just they're wise beyond their years, and uh Kenley Alicia just I've got and Claire just I've got some great girlfriends, and uh they just encourage me, but their walk, their faith encourages me to be a better human.
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SPEAKER_03: So they uh no but like um in relation to you, you said you had a glimpse of heaven.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Was that through them?
18:18
SPEAKER_03: No, I was in my living room.
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SPEAKER_02: I was in my living room, uh just spending quiet time with the Lord.
19:20
SPEAKER_02: I was sitting right there in front of the fireplace, and uh it was just uh, you know, my relationship with my own father is not uh ideal.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not I love him so much, but we're not nearly as close as I'd love for us to be.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh and I think God's got, I know that you know there's some wounds there that God's been healing, and and I'm that I'm coming out on the better, uh, better side.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh anyhow, and I believe he uh and I was just trying to give some of that to him.
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SPEAKER_02: And when you sit in the silence, like the word says, knock and the door will open, seek and you will find.
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SPEAKER_02: And I just sit there and I pray, uh, you know, God silence any voice that isn't yours, and just and silence any distractions so that I can hear you clearly.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh if you if you do that and you genuinely do that, and just put the phone away and just give him a moment, um, the Holy Spirit will start speaking to you.
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SPEAKER_02: Not in a creepy way, but he'll reveal something to you.
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SPEAKER_02: Um ask him like ask him like who you are, ask him, you know, what he thinks of you, and he'll remind you that you're loved, that you're creative, that you're wanted.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh I can't put words in his mouth, but uh uh he knows what you need when you need it.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's it's humbling to say, but it's So you were sitting there.
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SPEAKER_03: I was sitting there in my living room for my with the word open.
20:44
SPEAKER_02: I don't remember what I don't remember what scripture I was on, just in quiet prayer time with him.
20:51
SPEAKER_02: And uh uh Yeah, and I was giving him the uh you know, I was praying to him about my daddy and things like that, and uh a friend of mine we just laid rest who had dementia, who was a father figure.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh and uh but I was just giving him you know that that hurt and sitting there in silence and uh that's what he revealed to me.
21:19
SPEAKER_02: It was beautiful.
21:22
SPEAKER_02: Maybe like an ayahuasca trip, I don't know.
21:26
SPEAKER_02: It was just it was cool.
21:28
SPEAKER_02: Um but that's part of my testimony, I reckon, is just I think that happens through consistent time with him, right?
21:35
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
21:36
SPEAKER_03: One of the things I felt convicted of, I would say, is not listening.
21:42
SPEAKER_03: Like a lot of talking and not a lot of listening.
21:46
SPEAKER_03: I try to make more time for just being like quiet.
21:50
SPEAKER_03: I haven't done a great job of it, but more.
21:53
SPEAKER_03: Or just reading the word to where it's like I'll listen to him through the word.
22:00
SPEAKER_03: And now to me, because I got I don't know you probably don't know this, but I got rebaptized last year in March.
22:06
SPEAKER_04: Did you really?
22:07
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
22:08
SPEAKER_03: And um because I did as a kid, but it's different as an adult.
22:12
SPEAKER_03: For me it is.
22:13
SPEAKER_03: And so uh it's just long story short, I feel like before all of that, when I'd read the Bible, it was almost like nothing like I didn't hear anything.
22:30
SPEAKER_03: And you talked about putting a king of your heart with like your music career, and I think I had put money into the king of my heart.
22:38
SPEAKER_03: Because growing up, feeling poor all the time, was like I just never want to be that.
22:42
SPEAKER_03: I never want to be that, I never want to be that.
22:45
SPEAKER_03: And then uh one day I got convicted and then losing some parents and stuff, all that to say, it's like I uh now I read it the Bible and it's like like it's talking to me.
22:59
SPEAKER_03: It's weird.
23:00
SPEAKER_02: No, it's good.
23:01
SPEAKER_02: It's like it's like an Eric, yeah, it's like an Eric Church song.
23:04
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to belittle it in that way, but it's like you know, every time you return to it, you get something different from it.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
23:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
23:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's I I would encourage anybody, even if you don't believe the Bible is so deep, it's like a dang Harry Potter movie.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not a Harry Potter fan, but it's just it's wild.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: There's so much like the old testament um in that right now, and it's awesome.
23:25
SPEAKER_02: It's so deep.
23:26
SPEAKER_03: Some TikToker tried to live like a Christian for twenty uh 30 days.
23:30
SPEAKER_03: Did you see that?
23:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, was it like an Asian guy?
23:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
23:35
SPEAKER_03: And he only made it 20 days and he was like an atheist.
23:38
SPEAKER_03: Was yeah, was an atheist.
23:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think I reposted that in my stories.
23:43
SPEAKER_02: I'm so glad you saw that.
23:44
SPEAKER_02: How cool.
23:45
SPEAKER_02: There's really something to it, man.
23:46
SPEAKER_02: There's a reason it's been around forever.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: And uh Sean Ryan, you know, his faith journey, Joe Rogan's starting to I mean everybody.
23:54
SPEAKER_03: When you mentioned ayahuasca, I thought Sean Ryan, because did you see him talk about his journey and how like the weird spiritual stuff that's been happening to him at all?
24:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, I've heard about it.
24:04
SPEAKER_02: There's a a deliverance ministry team uh that is working with him, that uh one of my closest girlfriends uh that I mentioned earlier is uh a part of that team that's helping him overcome some of that.
24:18
SPEAKER_03: Because he's been public about it, but like he's going through every book of the Bible for the next two years, every other week with like experts, and um, but he's been having some crazy, like, like I would say.
24:32
SPEAKER_04: He's under attack, yeah.
24:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's under attack, like spiritually under attack.
24:37
SPEAKER_03: And the Bible says that the wars that we wage aren't against flesh and butt blood, but the princes and principality Ephesians 6.12.
24:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, in the heavenly realm.
24:46
SPEAKER_03: So it's like there's infrared in this room right now, but we don't see it because we don't have infrared glasses to be able to read it.
24:52
SPEAKER_03: And there's a lot going on around us that we can't see, and just because we can't see it doesn't mean it's not happening.
24:58
SPEAKER_02: That's so true, man.
24:59
SPEAKER_02: That's so true.
25:00
SPEAKER_02: Like uh I've seen old interviews of like retired CIA and FBI agents, and I'll talk about the aliens that they've seen in the 50s were like evil spirits, basically.
25:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't want to open a can of worms for that, but I've seen more than one or two interviews for different men saying the same thing, which shows some consistency.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: But uh uh those portals, uh, you know, I don't really drink a lot anymore.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: I don't really, you know, the last time I did mushrooms was at ACDC concert last year.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: I cried, it was so good.
25:34
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, but uh I don't really do or crave any of that stuff um anymore.
25:40
SPEAKER_02: And I've really uh I avoided honestly as much as I can.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Nothing wrong with somebody who does that, not to shame anybody, because I've done my share of uh party favors, but it uh those things can really open portals and uh and uh make us really vulnerable to uh uh what you're talking about, those principalities, those things that are you know, that are going on.
26:10
SPEAKER_02: So there's a lot of warfare out there we don't see.
26:13
SPEAKER_04: There is.
26:13
SPEAKER_02: I know it sounds crazy if you you know if you don't know what we're talking about or if you're not really you know into the God thing, but uh but yeah, it it really is.
26:24
SPEAKER_03: I think most people even if they're agnostic and I would say most people, I could be wrong.
26:34
SPEAKER_03: Haley, you can look this up on chat GPT.
26:37
SPEAKER_03: What percentage of the population um is atheist?
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27:33
SPEAKER_03: I I think most people have a sense of a spirituality, like that there's something greater than them, bigger than them, yeah, and they can't like necessarily put a name on it.
27:44
SPEAKER_03: Did it did you find a bae?
27:48
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
27:49
SPEAKER_02: My chat GPT.
27:50
SPEAKER_03: Are we on Chat GPT?
27:52
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
27:53
SPEAKER_02: Did y'all have like a personality of y'all like tweak this?
27:56
SPEAKER_03: Oh, mine does, yeah.
27:57
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27:59
unknown: Five percent.
28:04
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so that means 95% of Americans believe there's something greater.
28:10
SPEAKER_03: And 90%.
28:11
SPEAKER_03: So nine out of ten people worldwide believe in something.
28:17
SPEAKER_03: That's great.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: But how many of those?
28:20
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
28:21
SPEAKER_03: But before you said, I was just gonna say for people listening, because you're like this whole like God thing or whatever, I think that the majority of people listening, nine out of ten of them would be like, yeah.
28:30
SPEAKER_03: I think there's something.
28:32
SPEAKER_03: But they might be searching.
28:34
SPEAKER_03: So go ahead and say what you're gonna say.
28:36
SPEAKER_02: What I'm finding as I have conversations with people, uh, a lot of folks that call themselves uh Christians believe that much of the Bible is like fairy tale or legend or parable, that it's not that that that it's not an accumulation of live historical events that actually really happened.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: Um and I I think that's you know, that's the sad part that I and I really, really hope that uh more of these I don't say influencers, but I I hope that the the people will will give the Bible a shot and realize that it's uh there's a reason archaeologists use it for historical accuracy to check, you know, for records and to find locations of certain things and all because it's uh I don't know, it's uh it's just a really rare document.
29:23
SPEAKER_02: And I'd like to research more uh you know how it was accumulated, etc.
29:28
SPEAKER_02: But I do know that it's God inspired, and I do know that it's a living word and it's the truth, and it's done so much for me, and I know that I will never know all the answers.
29:38
SPEAKER_02: And I'm and I'm okay with that.
29:40
SPEAKER_02: Thank God.
29:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for real.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to run this show forever.
29:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we won't know all the answers, but there's almost an answer for everything in the Bible.
29:49
SPEAKER_01: Yes, there really is.
29:51
SPEAKER_03: There is an answer for everything, not almost there is.
29:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's like um the amount of authors, how long it took, three continents, yeah.
30:00
SPEAKER_03: 40 40 something authors, yeah.
30:04
SPEAKER_03: And then um 6,000 something cross-references.
30:07
SPEAKER_02: 68,000 cross-references.
30:09
SPEAKER_03: Is that what it is?
30:10
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
30:10
SPEAKER_03: I don't know on my numbers.
30:11
SPEAKER_02: I looked that up this weekend.
30:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm not correcting you, but I literally was uh it's funny you brought that up, but yeah.
30:17
SPEAKER_03: And it's like the prop the probability of and then you look at time, like 80 BC, like the whole like our whole time revolves around Jesus in terms of when he was dead or resurrected, you know.
30:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
30:34
SPEAKER_03: Even though it's been changed now, I believe, to mean something else.
30:39
SPEAKER_03: Like before Christ, it's now something else.
30:42
SPEAKER_03: You guys can put it in the comments.
30:45
SPEAKER_03: But anyway, um, it's cool to see you you do that and talk about it.
30:50
SPEAKER_03: It's something that um yeah, I definitely feel like I'm growing in.
30:58
SPEAKER_03: And uh I used to talk about it more on on the podcast stuff, but I haven't in a while, and then you talking about it made me be like, let's talk about it.
31:06
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for that.
31:07
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for giving me a problem to do that.
31:08
SPEAKER_02: I know you've been through a lot.
31:10
SPEAKER_02: Both of you, I'm so sorry about your daddy and and all.
31:14
SPEAKER_03: It's all like part of who makes you who you are, you know, like the back to scripture parables, but when Jesus talks about him being the vine dresser, having having the parts of you that don't produce fruit cut off don't feel good it doesn't feel good.
31:33
SPEAKER_03: But in order to have a healthy grapevine, you have to have someone that is taking care of it so it can produce fruit.
31:43
SPEAKER_03: And God disciplines the ones he loves.
31:46
SPEAKER_03: And so sometimes we look at hard times as like, oh, woe is me.
31:51
SPEAKER_03: And I think I did that for a little while where I was the victim.
31:54
SPEAKER_03: And I I look at things different now to where it's like, oh, look at uh like whatever is next for me or for you, like the hard stuff is what is preparing us for whatever's next.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh there's this podcast I'm listening to uh when I can.
32:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's called We Need to Talk.
32:14
SPEAKER_02: Y'all heard of it?
32:15
SPEAKER_04: Uh-uh.
32:15
SPEAKER_02: It's a guy named Ezekiel out of Atlanta, but he has all these like ex-prostitutes.
32:21
SPEAKER_02: Um uh one guy was a warlock that used to run with Jay-Z and Beyonce, but these people with wild, crazy stories.
32:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh like people that have like had near-death experiences, died and gone to hell, or died and gone to heaven, et cetera, just wild stories.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: But uh it's wild.
32:37
SPEAKER_02: But there was an episode of a woman and she's been going viral.
32:40
SPEAKER_02: Her name's Queen Akioma.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: But uh, if you look up, I saw Biggie in hell, Biggie Smalls.
32:46
SPEAKER_02: That interview, it's changed my life.
32:49
SPEAKER_03: Really?
32:49
SPEAKER_02: It's wild.
32:51
SPEAKER_02: But she talked about how many people are hell for unforgiveness and how it's such a big thing, and um and relates it back to the scripture you just brought up, Ephesians 6.12, you know how we battle not against, we don't battle against one another, not flesh and blood, but against principalities, right?
33:08
SPEAKER_02: If and if we understand that the devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy, then it's made it a lot easier for me to forgive people because I realize that's not that's not you.
33:22
SPEAKER_02: That's the spirit of you know, jealousy on you that's making you act that way, or a spirit of insecurity that's making you act that way.
33:30
SPEAKER_02: Or whatever bitterness, whatever.
33:32
SPEAKER_02: Like when I it it literally helps me to separate the sin from the sinner and love the sinner.
33:38
SPEAKER_02: And and I don't always get this right, but to give them more grace when I need to, and uh, but it's really helped me to like forgive things or people that I've needed to forgive for bullshit that I was holding over their head.
33:53
SPEAKER_02: That when I think about all I've done and what he's forgiving me for, Lord, who am I to hold something over their head, right?
34:01
SPEAKER_03: Uh what have you done like to I know this is a little bit of a change of topic, but it's also like in the in the vein of like just the spiritual growth because we think like mind-body spirit kind of right?
34:14
SPEAKER_03: Just culturally, it's common to talk about.
34:16
SPEAKER_03: So there's mind-body spirit.
34:18
SPEAKER_03: So let's just talk about it.
34:19
SPEAKER_03: But we've been talking about the spirit, but about the the mind and body.
34:23
SPEAKER_03: Um how have you learned to deal with the things that go on in your mind that are the because these are things I struggle with is like the imposter syndrome or the you're not good enough or that kind of stuff.
34:42
SPEAKER_03: And then like also even with the body, like you we were talking and we were like, you look great, like you're all fit and getting your butt kicked and workouts and stuff.
34:54
SPEAKER_03: But uh man, like for you to feel so I feel like you're in such a like good spot compared to where I talked to you last time, not that you were in a bad spot, but no, thank you.
35:06
SPEAKER_03: It's there's just a vibe, like I said earlier.
35:08
SPEAKER_02: So what have I done differently?
35:10
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
35:11
SPEAKER_02: Um, you're gonna think this is funny, but it's the truth.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: I stomp out the devil in the morning.
35:17
SPEAKER_02: I go to Mount Zion, Baptist, uh, because it's a black Baptist church, so uh the music is phenomenal.
35:25
SPEAKER_03: I was just gonna say the music's praise and worship.
35:28
SPEAKER_03: Gospel.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, it is.
35:30
SPEAKER_02: But it it's the music that inspired Elvis Presley, right?
35:33
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's just it's where rock and roll came from.
35:35
SPEAKER_02: So naturally I'm there.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, but when I wake up in the morning, I literally, and my girlfriends know that I do this and I encourage them to do it too, but I stomp out the devil.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: I let him know I praise God when my feet hit the floor, I'm praising.
35:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh and because I live alone and there's nobody downstairs to disturb, right?
35:55
SPEAKER_02: But I remind the devil whose boss and who my boss is.
35:59
SPEAKER_02: And uh it just puts me in a good mood when I turn on a really good song and that I can just, you know, praise to.
36:06
SPEAKER_02: And it could be James Cleveland.
36:07
SPEAKER_02: I'll share my playlist with you.
36:08
SPEAKER_02: I got some good stuff.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: That um, and when I go to bed, um I'm making an internal list, mental list of everything I'm thankful for.
36:19
SPEAKER_02: Just oh, this happened today, God.
36:21
SPEAKER_02: Oh, thank you so much.
36:22
SPEAKER_02: Or uh, ooh, I was uh half pound less on the scale.
36:25
SPEAKER_02: Oh, thank you, Lord, or gosh, that was good catfish that I had for dinner, or just uh, or thank you that I ran into this friend, or thank you so much for this opportunity that it came up today.
36:34
SPEAKER_02: Just whatever.
36:35
SPEAKER_02: The list will go on if we really the attitude of gratitude is really changing my mind and it's really pissing off the devil.
36:42
SPEAKER_02: Now, that's not to say I don't have you know tough days, um, but overall, I'm just learning to be so grateful.
36:51
SPEAKER_02: The more I detach from the world and the more I connect with him, it's just it's a better way to live.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: It's awesome.
37:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
37:00
SPEAKER_03: Well do you feel like you get more like this, the like attack side from the devil when you're doing that?
37:07
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh, it's a great question.
37:10
SPEAKER_02: Um uh God, am I gonna reveal it to say this?
37:15
SPEAKER_02: I went through deliverance ministry or a deliverance, like like a I guess what you call like a therapy prayer session.
37:22
SPEAKER_02: Uh like last year, and my uh girlfriend who was there in the session with me warned me, she said, uh, especially with people of influence, um, you might experience some spiritual attack.
37:36
SPEAKER_02: And uh sure enough, I knew something was in my room.
37:40
SPEAKER_02: I felt something uh like grabbed my feet, uh foot of my bed.
37:45
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I I prayed the prayer that she gave me to pray, which is uh you speak in authority and you cover your home and the blood of Jesus, and this is getting really deep, and y'all don't think I'm crazy.
37:59
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, but it just is it it's spiritual warfare, is what it is, right?
38:04
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, but uh again, the devil can't hear your thoughts, but he can hear your words, and he uses those words against you back to Proverbs 1821, right?
38:13
SPEAKER_02: And I'm learning I've learned that the hard way, and I'm learning that uh, but I'm learning it.
38:18
SPEAKER_02: So anyway, but I haven't had an attack since.
38:21
SPEAKER_02: And uh Sierra Farrell is a friend of mine, and uh she has been experiencing the same thing, and uh since she's been vocal about her fates, uh she's starting to get you know more restless at night with this, you know, she's like uh not night terrors, but you know, dark spirits are will torment you some.
38:45
SPEAKER_02: It's not demon-possessed, it's nothing like that.
38:48
SPEAKER_02: It's just um the spirit realm is real and I think people like you, people of influence, uh have a little more pressure on 'em from the devil because he obviously doesn't want you to witness to folks.
39:04
unknown: Right.
39:04
SPEAKER_03: The first day I ever fasted, and the only day I've ever fasted, my dog got ran over.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: No.
39:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
39:14
SPEAKER_02: I'm so sorry.
39:15
SPEAKER_03: Right in front of me and my son.
39:17
SPEAKER_03: But it was weird because it was like um earlier that day, I don't know, I kinda like back to like spiritual stuff.
39:25
SPEAKER_03: I kind of like taunted the devil, maybe you could say, like bring it on.
39:31
SPEAKER_03: Like, like I've been there, I get it.
39:33
SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
39:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I get it.
39:35
SPEAKER_02: Bless your heart.
39:36
SPEAKER_03: Um and so so so he's like, all right.
39:41
SPEAKER_03: Whoopsh neighbor runs over the little toy poodle.
39:46
SPEAKER_03: So it's just interesting because then since then I haven't fasted and it's probably out of fear.
39:52
SPEAKER_03: So it's probably exactly what he wants.
39:55
SPEAKER_03: So I probably should fast.
39:56
SPEAKER_03: Me and you should do a fasting day together.
39:58
SPEAKER_02: Hey, let me know.
39:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm all about it.
39:59
SPEAKER_02: There's uh one of my girlfriends, Kenley, like she swears by it, and uh, I don't do it nearly as often as I should.
40:07
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but when I have, and when I do, I definitely see breakthrough and results.
40:13
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
40:14
SPEAKER_02: Like, I remember I did it a year or two ago.
40:17
SPEAKER_02: It was in the winter, and uh I had not been touring as much.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: I was oh I was probably like three years ago I was writing this book, and uh, I was gonna be short on payroll.
40:27
SPEAKER_02: I needed about three grand more to make sure I had that and rent and whatever other thing I had coming out, just to make sure everything was uh anyway, and I was fasting that day and I get a check out of nowhere for like the exact amount that I needed.
40:43
SPEAKER_02: Isn't that wild?
40:45
SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
40:46
SPEAKER_02: An unexpected check.
40:47
SPEAKER_03: Crazy.
40:48
SPEAKER_03: I've heard that story before from people that have gotten those like rando checks.
40:55
SPEAKER_03: Um I have a question about that that the music life and that paying your bills.
41:03
SPEAKER_03: When you're playing, do you get a guarantee?
41:06
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
41:08
SPEAKER_03: And then is there any effect on how much you make in terms of hard ticket sales?
41:12
SPEAKER_03: Or is the guarantee hard ticket sales?
41:14
SPEAKER_03: And what is hard ticket sales?
41:16
SPEAKER_03: Because that confuses.
41:17
SPEAKER_02: A guarantee is what you're guaranteed regardless of ticket sales.
41:21
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
41:22
SPEAKER_03: Um like we're paying you X to come play our venue.
41:26
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
41:27
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
41:28
SPEAKER_02: Or you can negotiate a deal, and this is more my in my agent's world, but or you can negotiate a deal based on based on ticket sales, and they'll take a percentage off, or they take the venue takes their expenses out, and then you keep what's left, and if it's a sellout, then you get the excess.
41:45
SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense?
41:46
SPEAKER_02: In a nutshell, that's pretty much how it works.
41:48
SPEAKER_02: Uh to my understanding.
41:50
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, but a guarantee is negotiated ahead of time, and regardless if it sells out or not, you know, you'll get thirty, five hundred bucks or five grand or whatever you're I don't know, what whatever you're negotiating for that theater or club or wherever you're playing.
42:06
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
42:07
SPEAKER_03: Is that so you got where is your b biggest market right now?
42:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh probably Virginia.
42:16
SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know.
42:18
SPEAKER_02: There's again, I I've never been on like a a tour with that or or had like touring strategy.
42:25
SPEAKER_02: So I have a big following out in Washington State.
42:30
SPEAKER_02: Right?
42:31
SPEAKER_02: Um and uh and then on the East Coast, I'm starting to, you know, like I said, we brought a couple thousand uh in the rain at the show in Bristol here a couple weeks ago, which was really great.
42:43
SPEAKER_02: Now I'm I'm part of a festival, but again it was, you know, pouring rain and uh St.
42:49
SPEAKER_02: Paul and some other big artists were playing, but we had a couple, you know, thousand y'all to see me there packed.
42:55
SPEAKER_02: It was great.
42:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah.
42:58
SPEAKER_02: I would say there.
43:00
SPEAKER_02: Some in Europe.
43:02
SPEAKER_03: Europe.
43:03
SPEAKER_03: Did you do an overseas thing, acoustic?
43:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I did a full band thing over there uh twice now.
43:10
SPEAKER_02: Um acoustic with C to C, but yes, I've been back over there three or four times now, and I love it.
43:16
SPEAKER_02: They love some country music.
43:17
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44:22
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, American Acts do so good over there, I feel like.
44:26
SPEAKER_03: Uh, in terms of merchandise, like now you have this to sell at your merch.
44:32
SPEAKER_03: Yes, which is pretty cool.
44:34
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
44:35
SPEAKER_03: Um, is that something?
44:37
SPEAKER_03: Have you been gigging a lot to the point where you've been able to bring these out with you?
44:42
SPEAKER_02: I do bring them out with me.
44:43
SPEAKER_03: Uh because that's kind of a heavy merchandise.
44:46
SPEAKER_03: It is.
44:47
SPEAKER_02: It is, it is.
44:48
SPEAKER_02: But mainly me, a lot of folks are just like handing them up to me on stage or um by do a meet and greet thing, uh, they'll bring them there.
44:55
SPEAKER_02: But I usually we usually do carry uh a case or so of books with us so that folks can get an auto-of copy if if they want to.
45:03
SPEAKER_02: I've got the new Hannah Dasher as my hall pass hats and uh and then these new aprons, of course, with Ely Walker and and some really new, uh some cool uh their vintage, but the uh old 1980s baseball jerseys that say honky tonk rock and roll on them.
45:22
SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's cool.
45:23
SPEAKER_02: That's what we do.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: I should have brought you one.
45:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
45:26
SPEAKER_03: I know.
45:26
SPEAKER_03: I really want some Hannah Dasher merch.
45:29
SPEAKER_02: You're too cool for uh T-shirt land.
45:32
SPEAKER_02: You always look good in you.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: Jackets and your black.
45:35
SPEAKER_03: I wore a Carter Vintage one the other day.
45:37
SPEAKER_02: Oh, we'll make sure we get you one then.
45:39
SPEAKER_03: Hook me up.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
45:41
SPEAKER_02: They're celebrity endorsed.
45:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
45:44
SPEAKER_03: Celebrity endorsed.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, merch, yeah, yeah.
45:47
SPEAKER_02: Merch does well, and uh but yeah, I need to bring on like a merch manager, honestly, to help capitalize on that kind of stuff.
45:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
45:55
SPEAKER_03: You're a small business, you know, like people don't understand.
46:00
SPEAKER_03: And I had this conversation with a lady, Martha Earl, she's a manager, and um we were talking about how the artist is a small business and has to know every a little bit of basically everything uh in order to do their work and be good.
46:18
SPEAKER_03: She said, She added, you're like, you have to be your own, you know, marketing manager, your own agent, your own this, that, you're bootstrapping it.
46:26
SPEAKER_03: You're like, I need to bring on a a manager for this, because you get to the point where you're like, I'm owner operator, so where's the breaking point for me to bring someone on so I can start delegating tasks that are just eating up too much of my time where I'm not working on what's going to move the needle?
46:43
SPEAKER_03: What are the strengths for me?
46:45
SPEAKER_03: You know, what are my strengths as an artist?
46:48
SPEAKER_03: Where should I be putting my time?
46:50
SPEAKER_03: And I'm curious, um, where are you kind of now in terms of where you're focusing your time and your energy as much as possible?
46:59
SPEAKER_03: And where would you want it to be if you could have it a hundred percent your way?
47:05
SPEAKER_02: Great question.
47:06
SPEAKER_02: Um uh we're hiring a I'm hiring a tour manager right now.
47:11
SPEAKER_02: I've been lucky to have friends like helping me, but all the good ones that are on big, big tours, right?
47:17
SPEAKER_02: Like my my favorite guy, tour manager is out with Red Clay Strays and all right now, and Frank Cobb and I love him, but he helps him when he can.
47:26
SPEAKER_02: But I'm you know, but I want to bring on somebody more full-time, if you will.
47:31
SPEAKER_02: Uh and I'm taking meetings uh with management, like artist management.
47:38
SPEAKER_02: Um because I uh now that the book's written, I would and I'm you know, my I guess my grease is a little hot right now, I guess, in the media.
47:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's the time to act.
47:51
SPEAKER_02: I've got offers and things coming in and I it's just it's a lot for me to to do.
47:55
SPEAKER_02: I need to be hand a dasher.
47:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh last night was the first time I picked up in a guitar in a minute.
48:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh you know, and I've got uh some big shows coming up and I want to play some new music and get some stuff out there, right?
48:10
SPEAKER_02: I want to write morning.
48:11
SPEAKER_03: You're a heck of a picker.
48:12
SPEAKER_02: Well, not like you.
48:14
SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm just an entertainer.
48:16
SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you.
48:17
SPEAKER_03: No, you're very good.
48:17
SPEAKER_03: Well, thank you.
48:18
SPEAKER_03: And I'm gonna intentionally not say the thing that I I don't like when people say when they're like, You're a great guitarist for being a girl.
48:26
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I don't care about all that.
48:28
SPEAKER_03: I don't like it though.
48:29
SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you.
48:30
SPEAKER_03: Like you're a great guitar player, period.
48:32
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I've got decent talent.
48:33
SPEAKER_03: I think I think it's rad when you have a like back to the whole package situation when you have someone that can do all those things, you know, and um have an identity and a personality, and even from our conversation today, stand on their convictions.
48:51
SPEAKER_03: Because quite often I think about what should you share, what should you not share, like what should I post on social media?
48:58
SPEAKER_03: And um, Martha Earl, she had she said, What's the why behind it?
49:02
SPEAKER_03: Does it have a like good why behind what you're doing?
49:05
SPEAKER_03: And I think that sometimes people just avoid things completely because they don't want to be controversial, but I also feel like you kind of fall in love with someone when they take a stance on an issue or when they're willing to share their faith about something or share their struggles about something, and I think that's one of the things that you do well.
49:25
SPEAKER_02: Real knows real.
49:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm with you.
49:28
SPEAKER_02: Well, I think the game.
49:30
SPEAKER_03: What do they say?
49:31
SPEAKER_03: Is that you?
49:32
SPEAKER_03: Is that me?
49:33
SPEAKER_02: That's your bright.
49:34
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
49:34
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna I'm gonna say it's you because you're the most famous one in this world.
49:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm so sorry.
49:40
SPEAKER_03: The gate, the gate right now, Hannah's phone's blowing up.
49:44
SPEAKER_03: It's probably her next manager.
49:48
SPEAKER_02: Do not disturb, yeah.
49:50
SPEAKER_02: It's fine.
49:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
49:53
SPEAKER_03: It's okay.
49:54
SPEAKER_02: But in a world of AI, in a world of AI people are craving authenticity and rough.
50:00
SPEAKER_02: I think not you know what I mean by rough, but like not not perfected, not uh Yeah.
50:06
SPEAKER_03: 100%.
50:07
SPEAKER_03: So And people I I read the stat yesterday, uh 53% of as a Pew Research study, 53% of American adults could not tell the difference between something that was AI and something that wasn't.
50:19
SPEAKER_04: Really?
50:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which means like let's say you fall in love with like some artist, but then you come to find out that they're not even real, or you fall, you know, like you're starting to dig some social account and then it's like not a real person, like would you feel deceived?
50:38
SPEAKER_03: I would.
50:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
50:40
SPEAKER_02: I had that.
50:41
SPEAKER_02: I was one artist, I can't even think of his name, but it's just a record I was digging, soul record uh year or two ago, and that gum it, it was AI.
50:50
SPEAKER_03: Really?
50:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
50:52
SPEAKER_02: Like the biggest fake.
50:54
SPEAKER_02: It was good, it's a good thing.
51:04
SPEAKER_02: Probably so.
51:05
SPEAKER_03: Because they're doing all those deals with labels.
51:09
SPEAKER_03: A lot of them.
51:10
unknown: That's crazy.
51:11
unknown: That's crazy.
51:12
SPEAKER_03: Backdoor deals.
51:13
SPEAKER_03: And now we got AI girlfriends, I come to find out because this morning Haley and I are talking and she does the TikTok stuff, the UG UGC user-generated content.
51:23
SPEAKER_03: And um, a lot of them are these gross apps that they want like people to be advertising.
51:29
SPEAKER_02: Like OnlyFans.
51:30
SPEAKER_02: OnlyFans?
51:31
SPEAKER_03: No, not only fans, it's like an AI girlfriend or something.
51:36
unknown: AI.
51:37
SPEAKER_03: AI companions.
51:38
SPEAKER_02: That's crazy.
51:40
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's crazy.
51:41
SPEAKER_03: People are lonely, I guess.
51:44
SPEAKER_02: Man, there's a lot better.
51:45
SPEAKER_02: That sounds like a substitute for what you really need.
51:48
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:48
SPEAKER_03: And I told Haley, I think I was like, I bet you it's gonna be people older than me.
51:53
SPEAKER_03: Like my age and older that are gonna actually be doing that.
51:56
SPEAKER_03: A lot of them, because they never really were good with girls, so this is like a substitute or whatever that is.
52:03
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, just gross, gross stuff out there.
52:07
SPEAKER_03: You gotta guard your heart for it is the wellspring of life.
52:10
SPEAKER_01: That's the truth.
52:11
SPEAKER_03: You know, what you let in comes out.
52:14
SPEAKER_03: And uh one uh funny thing today you said you've been saying not uh you don't say fat and sassy.
52:22
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
52:23
SPEAKER_03: I started saying great when people I know I came in off of like a bad text today.
52:28
SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry.
52:29
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, bad vibes, you're and you were like, no, no bad vibes are here.
52:34
SPEAKER_03: You admonished me, and then I was like, but I have been saying great lately.
52:38
SPEAKER_03: Even if I'm going through something and someone asks me how you doing, I say, Great.
52:44
SPEAKER_03: That's my new go-to.
52:45
SPEAKER_03: Because I'm like, compared to a lot of people, I'm doing pretty great, you know?
52:51
SPEAKER_03: So that's been one where I've been trying to speak life.
52:54
SPEAKER_03: It's a little thing.
52:55
SPEAKER_03: That's huge though, but it's a little bit of that hand-a-dasher move too.
52:58
SPEAKER_03: Oh, you know, I think I could stomp out the devil a little more, but hey, I'm telling you, there's something about it.
53:04
SPEAKER_02: Like, I love it.
53:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
53:07
SPEAKER_03: Um, where can so like is this this is on Amazon?
53:12
SPEAKER_02: Amazon, they can get it in Walmart stores.
53:14
SPEAKER_02: Um in Walmart.
53:16
SPEAKER_02: Yes, uh Target Online in Barnes and Noble, in in Books a Million, uh, wherever you buy books.
53:22
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I saw you going in autographing them at different like Yeah, I'm going to sneak it in, so that was hard to keep up with others.
53:29
SPEAKER_02: I can't I just don't have time to every location that I'm going to.
53:32
SPEAKER_03: But uh that's cool though to see if you can continue that.
53:35
SPEAKER_02: You're right.
53:35
SPEAKER_03: That's a good that's a fun special thing.
53:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and Waterstones in the United Kingdom.
53:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we're in Indigo and Canada.
53:42
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
53:43
SPEAKER_03: Those bookstores.
53:44
SPEAKER_03: What's the best place to buy it from?
53:46
SPEAKER_03: Direct?
53:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, well, it can't really buy directly from me, but those are all so Amazon.
53:52
SPEAKER_03: Amazon.
53:53
SPEAKER_02: Amazon's gonna be cheaper than uh Yeah, I think I looked it up.
53:56
SPEAKER_03: You got uh Prime?
53:58
SPEAKER_02: Um sure.
53:59
SPEAKER_03: I think it's on Prime.
54:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you can buy it on a TikTok shop.
54:01
SPEAKER_02: Buy it on the TikTok shop.
54:03
SPEAKER_03: Wow, man.
54:04
SPEAKER_03: So you're everywhere.
54:05
SPEAKER_02: Everywhere.
54:06
SPEAKER_02: Ain't that wild?
54:07
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, no excuse.
54:09
SPEAKER_02: Southern cuisine, southern cuisine food and wine and in the world.
54:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
54:14
SPEAKER_03: But I mean I bet that you never planned that five years ago.
54:17
SPEAKER_03: Well, maybe you did.
54:19
SPEAKER_02: I didn't.
54:19
SPEAKER_02: No, I didn't.
54:20
SPEAKER_02: I never really I never thought about a cookbook, honestly.
54:23
SPEAKER_03: Well, it fits so well with you and who you are and what you do, and I love that you uh incorporate that into what you do, and that it's not just I I'm another musician.
54:32
SPEAKER_03: It's like let me invite you into my home and in my kitchen.
54:35
SPEAKER_03: There's a little bit of an intimate connection with food, and yeah, we all kind of like bond over food anyway.
54:42
SPEAKER_03: So I'm I'm looking forward to reading this.
54:45
SPEAKER_03: There's a huge correlation between food and music if we really think about it, but it brings people together.
54:51
SPEAKER_02: There's different genres of food just like there is music, and so Yeah, well, we can't all agree on genres of music or on politics or even religion, but I think we can all agree on chocolate cake.
55:04
SPEAKER_03: Chocolate cake for sure.
55:05
SPEAKER_02: Yum.
55:06
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna have to try to find a recipe that is gluten and egg free.
55:10
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if there's anything there.
55:12
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
55:13
SPEAKER_02: Well, here's the deal.
55:14
SPEAKER_02: Holler at me and I'll give you the substitute if there isn't one already listed.
55:17
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
55:17
SPEAKER_02: They wanted to build it as a it's a comfort food book, so I wasn't now.
55:21
SPEAKER_02: There's there, I've got some vegan recipes in there, believe it or not.
55:23
SPEAKER_03: Oh.
55:25
SPEAKER_03: So I ain't meeting all that.
55:26
SPEAKER_01: But I'm not supposed to tell you that, but there are a couple.
55:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that ain't country vegans.
55:32
SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, it just happened to be, but yeah, but if you are you have an egg allergy?
55:36
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, eggs is like my worst allergy.
55:39
SPEAKER_02: Do you use that the powdered uh like the vegan, the powdered vegan egg substitute?
55:44
SPEAKER_03: No.
55:45
SPEAKER_02: Are you able to eat that?
55:46
SPEAKER_03: Is it egg?
55:47
SPEAKER_02: No, it's a vegan, it's a vegan thing, so there's no egg.
55:52
SPEAKER_02: Let me experiment, but uh, I have cooked with that before.
55:55
SPEAKER_02: Uh I wonder if it bakes the same, but I'm pretty sure uh you could use that and uh like a rice flour.
56:06
SPEAKER_02: Um Whole Foods.
56:10
SPEAKER_03: Whole Foods.
56:11
SPEAKER_03: You can get it at Whole Foods.
56:12
SPEAKER_02: Or Amazon, I would assume.
56:14
SPEAKER_02: I don't know the brand.
56:14
SPEAKER_02: But uh Heather used to work for Gibson guitar.
56:17
SPEAKER_02: Heather is vegan and introduced me to it and brought some over.
56:20
SPEAKER_02: And uh I don't use it often.
56:22
SPEAKER_02: Uh it might even be expired, but it's like a powder, like a white powder.
56:26
SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
56:27
SPEAKER_03: I didn't know that until now because it's so hard to find things, especially for baked goods, because they got that gluten-free flour, but not the stuff that makes stuff rise.
56:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, look for a powdered egg substitute um and try it out and see.
56:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh like try baking some stuff with it.
56:43
SPEAKER_03: But you And then the books out, music.
56:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and now I'm back focused on that.
56:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh we're touring.
56:50
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
56:51
SPEAKER_02: I am I'm praying for the right producer.
56:53
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
56:54
SPEAKER_02: A couple people's names keep coming up in conversation.
56:57
SPEAKER_03: And what are you going for?
57:00
SPEAKER_03: Uh are you going more recently?
57:03
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to rush it this time.
57:04
SPEAKER_02: I'm what am I going for?
57:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like a little bit.
57:06
SPEAKER_02: If I could have my way, be skinner with a pedal steel.
57:09
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
57:10
SPEAKER_02: As uh always.
57:11
SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, I think what I do live is has never really been has not been captured in the studio.
57:18
SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, I've really rushed the project we put out around the cookbook, and you know, I hate to say it's not my best work, but it's it was just rushed.
57:27
SPEAKER_02: Um and I just uh it's not the best representation, I feel like, of of what I really do.
57:34
SPEAKER_02: Um I just want I want folks to get, you know, I I want the greasy drummer like that I tour with, and uh yeah, I just want it to be soulful and greasy, and I don't want the fake auto-tune-y polished thing.
57:50
SPEAKER_02: It needs to be polished enough for you to palette, but you know what I mean.
57:53
SPEAKER_03: I you know Yeah, because pr prior back when you were in the Sony days, that was definitely more like commercial radio sounding.
58:01
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, and that's and it's a great record, and I love it.
58:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, it's catching it.
58:06
SPEAKER_03: Sounds great.
58:07
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, but you know, there's a um I love what Sturgel does.
58:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh and there's not a woman in that realm doing it.
58:15
SPEAKER_03: Even like Jake Owen put out a record that was cool, yeah, with Shooter.
58:20
SPEAKER_03: And um and Jake said a story.
58:23
SPEAKER_03: Shooter, yeah, yeah.
58:25
SPEAKER_03: Come on, shooter.
58:26
SPEAKER_03: Jake was talking about like uh like going over and over the vocals, and he's like, That's not how my dad did it.
58:35
SPEAKER_03: My dad would just do it by God and just do the take.
58:40
SPEAKER_03: So that was real hard for Jake because I asked him after our podcast, I was like, Well, how was it?
58:44
SPEAKER_03: Like, I noticed you didn't like tune the vocals and correct them a lot.
58:47
SPEAKER_03: He's like, dude, that was the hardest thing to listen back to.
58:50
SPEAKER_03: Because you know how it is as a singer, where it's like, man, I want to hear myself sound perfect because we're trained to hear like perfect, right?
58:58
SPEAKER_03: So, but those old records stuff's flat and timing's off, and things are incorrect all the time, and it actually makes them human and great.
59:08
SPEAKER_02: And so a good producer can find that balance and really deliver that well.
59:14
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I like shooters' mixes.
59:15
SPEAKER_02: What I've listened to thus far uh has impressed me, and um uh yeah, uh I he's definitely a contender.
59:24
SPEAKER_03: Come on, shooter.
59:25
SPEAKER_02: So I followed him back, he's following me online now.
59:27
SPEAKER_03: Okay, come on, shooter's.
59:29
SPEAKER_03: You should put this part.
59:30
SPEAKER_03: We need to figure out like the hook.
59:31
SPEAKER_03: So you want shooter Jennings to produce your next record.
59:34
SPEAKER_02: Well, his name keeps coming up in my prayers.
59:37
SPEAKER_02: Actually, I put a couple names in a hat.
59:39
SPEAKER_02: I put a lot of names in a hat, I'd say, but the two I keep pulling out two names.
59:44
SPEAKER_02: Shooter's one, Dave Cobb's the other.
59:46
SPEAKER_03: I knew Dave was the other already because of the stapleton stuff, all that live stuff he does.
59:51
SPEAKER_02: Well, his name keeps coming up in conversation.
59:53
SPEAKER_02: People are like, he would love you.
59:54
SPEAKER_02: Like, have you thought about making a record for Dave Cobb?
59:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh if I had a dollar for every time I've heard that from one of my buddies, or uh yeah, I thought about it.
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SPEAKER_02: Um I'd sell my right boob and half my liver.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh but yeah, it'd be great to go back home to Savannah and cut a record down there.
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SPEAKER_02: And I mean, he doesn't miss.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, but again, I, you know, shooter has some really great projects out there that I love too.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just a matter of who's got the time and who's willing to do it.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll find the money.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not worried about the money part of it.
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SPEAKER_02: Just paper.
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SPEAKER_03: Just paper.
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SPEAKER_02: But I'm sitting on some songs, and uh anyway, it's gonna be a good project.
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SPEAKER_02: It's called Double D.
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SPEAKER_03: You already know the title.
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SPEAKER_02: I do.
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SPEAKER_03: And it'll be on vinyl.
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SPEAKER_02: By God.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, Hannah Dasher at Hannah Dasher on the internet.
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SPEAKER_03: And um yeah, Hannah's just awesome.
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SPEAKER_03: Everybody, if you're not already following her, please do follow her.
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SPEAKER_03: She's a genuinely awesome person.
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SPEAKER_03: And we've connected, we text here and there, you know, just kind of stay connected.
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SPEAKER_02: But do more.
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SPEAKER_02: Y'all come see me, y'all let me feed y'all one night.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me cook for you.
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SPEAKER_02: Pick out some recipes that you want to try, and I'll fix your dinner one night.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm with it.
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SPEAKER_02: Come on, bring the young and too.
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SPEAKER_02: I know it's a lot having a kid to care for and things like that, but if you want me to.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you'll win him over.
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SPEAKER_03: You can win him over.
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SPEAKER_02: Is he picky?
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's picky.
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unknown: If it's chocolate cake, he's up there.
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SPEAKER_03: That's for sure.
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SPEAKER_03: Ah, what would I do?
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SPEAKER_03: Um that'll be fun.
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SPEAKER_03: We'll get some content of that too.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh, but you guys, thank you for tuning in uh to Hannah today.
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SPEAKER_03: Appreciate you for being here.
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SPEAKER_03: It's free.
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SPEAKER_03: And uh I hope uh that you have a great week, that you can start speaking positively in your own life, because I got inspired today.
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SPEAKER_03: It's something I need to do more of.
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SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Hannah.
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SPEAKER_03: And uh I'll see you guys back here next week.
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SPEAKER_03: Peace.
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SPEAKER_04: Love it.
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SPEAKER_03: The word country politan comes from a real era in country music.
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SPEAKER_03: When Nashville took country music and made it elegant, strings, background vocals, orchestra.
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SPEAKER_03: It was country music with polish.
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SPEAKER_03: Think Patsy Klein, Glenn Campbell, Tammy Wynette, George Jones, Charlie Pride, songs that still had the ache and honesty of country, but dressed up with style.
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SPEAKER_03: And that is exactly what this hotel feels like.
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SPEAKER_03: The kind of place where every detail's been thought through, the scent when you walk in, the music, the clothes they carry, the textures, the rooms, the coffee cups, the way everything feels curated without feeling fake.
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SPEAKER_03: So you feel the history immediately, but unlike staying right in the middle of Broadway, it feels tucked away, it feels calm, it feels like you found something.
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SPEAKER_03: And that's honestly why I love it.
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SPEAKER_03: It's where I go when I want to get away, think, slow down, have a restful time without technology.
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