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Patriots Catch-22 9/3: Latest News, Season Predictions, Raiders Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth Bare and Lazarren.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by ours.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex barn. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think there are people who play fantasy football who are
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  Speaker 1: real football fans. I'm not saying all fantasy football players aren't.
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  Speaker 1: I think there are some people who played fantasy football
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  Speaker 1: and not a football fan in the sense that I
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  Speaker 1: enjoy watching NFL, I mean a fan of the sport itself.
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  Speaker 1: I think there are some people that play fantasy football.
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  Speaker 1: They know the quarterbacks, the running backs, the wide receivers,
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  Speaker 1: and the tight ends, and that's it. They know the numbers,
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  Speaker 1: and they don't maybe know what's behind those numbers, how
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  Speaker 1: they get there. That's what it.
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  Speaker 3: Bothers me a little bit about the fantasy community. They
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  Speaker 3: basically take the trenches out of their thinking.
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  Speaker 2: And the defense entyre well, yeah, but like specifically, I
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  Speaker 2: would say, I feel like if you only pay attention
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  Speaker 2: to fantasy and that's how you base all your takes
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  Speaker 2: off of just fantasy football, then do you acquiring wide
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  Speaker 2: receivers and running backs and tight ends?
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  Speaker 3: Is the only means that matter.
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  Speaker 1: This and these are the people I'm talking to me.
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  Speaker 3: I have a fantasy draft tonight. Actually, I'm in two
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  Speaker 3: leagues this year, and I don't know how I feel
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  Speaker 3: about it. I'm not gonna be I'm gonna be honest
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  Speaker 3: with you. It's kind of lost a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: its luster to me. Maybe that's just working in the.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so you know, when people ask me why I
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  Speaker 1: don't do it. I was never a big fan of
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  Speaker 1: it to begin with. But the thing is, like what
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  Speaker 1: I like doing was plopping down on the couch on Sunday, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and watching the points come in real time and outside
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  Speaker 1: of you know what, two or three weeks a year.
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  Speaker 1: A few more this year is a few more prime
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  Speaker 1: time age of the Patriots. But like, I really can't
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  Speaker 1: do that on a Sunday and watching the Patriots game,
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  Speaker 1: So that that took a lot out for me. I
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  Speaker 1: do still need to set up the punter league.
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  Speaker 3: I knew you were going to.
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  Speaker 1: Can you do the draft tonight?
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  Speaker 3: No, I can't. I have another fantasy draft to night.
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  Speaker 1: By tomorrow night tomorrow, during the day, we'll figure out
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  Speaker 1: I'm to make sure you want to draft. No, we'll
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  Speaker 1: make sure you can do the draft. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to do the punter league with that. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: do that to you. I did it, I didn't do
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  Speaker 1: it last year, and I know how much you missed it.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to make sure you get involved this year.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm good. I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't worry. We'll get you in. Don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about it. I'm happy to do it.
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  Speaker 3: So one thing we were talking about from a fantasy thing.
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  Speaker 3: Then I promise we'll move on from fantasy and talk
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  Speaker 3: Patriots here in a second. But I was trying to think,
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  Speaker 3: like how much of an advantage could having Travis Hunter
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  Speaker 3: b because if he scores touchdowns on defense, then you
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  Speaker 3: might get those points. But I guess in standard scoring
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  Speaker 3: in most from most places like ESPN and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 3: they'd only give you defensive points if it's an IDP league,
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  Speaker 3: if it's like an individual defensive point.
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  Speaker 1: And I think even if you had like Marcus Jones
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  Speaker 1: as an IDP, I remember this was a thing like, yeah, touchdowns,
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  Speaker 1: like you didn't get the points for that, which you should.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, so.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like in baseball, I think you have to.
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  Speaker 3: I thought I found a loophole with Travis Hunter. You know,
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  Speaker 3: like Marcus Jones is another good one. Speaking Marcus Jones,
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  Speaker 3: captain Captain Marcus Jones. I thought maybe I had found
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  Speaker 3: a loophole, but I did not. It turns out, at
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  Speaker 3: least based off of most standard scoring systems. All right,
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  Speaker 3: that's enough Fantasy football. Evan Lazar Alex bar Alex behind
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  Speaker 3: the glass with you here for the next couple of
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  Speaker 3: hours on Patriots Catch twenty two one housekeeping item. I'm
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  Speaker 3: hoping that we're going to be able to keep the
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  Speaker 3: show at this time slot moving forward for the next
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  Speaker 3: seventeen hopefully plus weeks moving forward in season. We'll see
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  Speaker 3: if that's the case. We obviously have to adjust based off.
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  Speaker 1: Of Monday night game and one Thursday, and we're one Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: and I came, all goes out the window? Was it week?
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  Speaker 1: Is week five? Monday night or Sunday night, Sunday night? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so in Buffalo we should have some Yeah, we only
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  Speaker 1: have a non Sunday game.
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  Speaker 3: It's late in the season. Yeah, it's a week eleven.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say right there, the Thursday night football game,
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  Speaker 1: right is they're Thursday and yeah, and then Monday nights
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  Speaker 1: a few weeks later, so that'll be a mess, but
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  Speaker 1: we get to get to that, yes.
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  Speaker 3: So not too Yeah. I think we'll be able to
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  Speaker 3: leave the show here, which will be good. So ten
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  Speaker 3: to noon on Wednesdays, and of course you can get
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  Speaker 3: the podcast wherever you get your podcasts. But I want
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  Speaker 3: to open with some Patriots news. Then we are going
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  Speaker 3: to talk a little bit big picture about the season
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  Speaker 3: as a whole. I have nine questions going into the
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  Speaker 3: season about your twenty twenty five Patriots. I don't like
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  Speaker 3: using the word concerns because you know, we have to
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  Speaker 3: be careful about concerns here, but also because I feel
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  Speaker 3: like it's not necessarily that they're all concerns. I just
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  Speaker 3: feel like they practices are questions. There are questions about
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  Speaker 3: the team. So we have nine of them. We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: get through those, and then we'll talk a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of Raiders will take your Wonderful, We'll preview the game
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday. We'll get some emails in. But starting with
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  Speaker 3: the news, Alex, we were not on the air or
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  Speaker 3: the show had already aired last week before the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: released Jabriel Peppers. That happened on Friday, afternoon. A surprise,
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  Speaker 3: A surprise, no doubt about it, one of those surprise
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  Speaker 3: cuts that came out of nowhere. But I think one
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  Speaker 3: of the big things that I took away from this mover,
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  Speaker 3: or my take on the whole thing, I want to
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  Speaker 3: be consistent because last week I gave them flowers for
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  Speaker 3: holding their water on Kyle Duggar and Anthony Jennings and
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  Speaker 3: at the time Kendrick Bourn until we found out that
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  Speaker 3: that was also not for long. But I gave them
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  Speaker 3: credit for holding the water on those guys and not
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  Speaker 3: just giving up on those guys because they're not scheme
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  Speaker 3: fits or whatever the case may be. You know, your
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  Speaker 3: new regime, your guys like that whole thing. I thought
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  Speaker 3: they were a little bit they were a year too early,
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  Speaker 3: in my mind, from having the depth and the talent
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  Speaker 3: on the roster to be able to do that and
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  Speaker 3: cut ties with NFL players with NFL caliber talent was
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  Speaker 3: starting caliber talent. Frankly, in the case of Jabriel Peppers,
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  Speaker 3: I thought they were a little premature to do that
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  Speaker 3: this time around. I was a little bit surprised that
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  Speaker 3: they did do that. I thought they were going to
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  Speaker 3: hold on to some of these guys through the season
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  Speaker 3: and just see where it shakes out. So that's just
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  Speaker 3: my opinion on it. But at the same time, just
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  Speaker 3: to talk about why it happened, I think at some
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  Speaker 3: point in this offseason, pretty early on, I would say,
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  Speaker 3: maybe even in the spring, because Kyle Dugger, remember he
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  Speaker 3: wasn't practicing, is still working back from that ankle injury
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  Speaker 3: during OTAs, it felt like they decided it was gonna
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  Speaker 3: be Kyle Dugger or Jabriel Peppers, not Kyle Dugger and
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  Speaker 3: Jabriel Peppers. At some point pretty early on in this
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  Speaker 3: offseason in this process, so they decided and they looked
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  Speaker 3: at it and said, we feel like we are better
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  Speaker 3: off playing what's really a true free safety and a
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  Speaker 3: true strong safety or a box safety, and not playing
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  Speaker 3: those two guys together, which was the vision when they
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  Speaker 3: signed both those guys to contract extensions last offseason. So
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  Speaker 3: now this new regime comes in and we can get
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  Speaker 3: into the minutia of the scheme and all the different
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  Speaker 3: things that go into it. But I think they decided
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  Speaker 3: that they were not stylistically a fit as a pairing.
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  Speaker 3: And we had talked about this when they extended these players,
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  Speaker 3: that they were a little bit redundant, that there was
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  Speaker 3: definitely skill set overlap between the two of them, And
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  Speaker 3: it seems to me, just from the outside looking in,
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  Speaker 3: that Mike Vrabel and this coaching staff agreed that they
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  Speaker 3: were too redundant to one another. Now, the second point
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  Speaker 3: of that is, if you know that there's really only
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  Speaker 3: a role for one of these guys on the team,
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  Speaker 3: that only one of these guys is really going to
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  Speaker 3: see any sort of amount of playing time, then you
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  Speaker 3: have a culture locker room angle of this as well,
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  Speaker 3: where if a guy like Jabriel Peppers, who former captain,
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  Speaker 3: well paid player, outspoken player that sort of has a
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  Speaker 3: feel I would say for the beat of the team
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  Speaker 3: and the heartbeat of the team, if you have a
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  Speaker 3: guy like Dad that is not playing on Sundays, what
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  Speaker 3: does that do to sort of the leadership structure of
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  Speaker 3: your roster. So I think that's why we got here.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's Dugger or Peppers, not Dugger and Peppers
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  Speaker 3: from a football standpoint. And then also how was that
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  Speaker 3: going to jive in the locker room If Kyle Dugger
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  Speaker 3: and Jabrel Peppers are your too highest paid safeties aren't
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  Speaker 3: playing on Sundays. What was your take on the whole move.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with the lot of that. I just you know,
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  Speaker 1: so I and I think if they had traded Dougger,
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  Speaker 1: Peppers would still be here. But going from Dugger looking
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  Speaker 1: like the odd man out to Peppers, who ultimately did
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  Speaker 1: they think would help the team more and you just
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  Speaker 1: kind of hope that's what was driving the decision. But
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  Speaker 1: I was surprised because the difference between Dugger and Peppers.
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  Speaker 1: Pepper rolled in decrease until really late in the summer,
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  Speaker 1: to the point where I kind of wondered if it
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  Speaker 1: was just a load management thing to keep him fresh
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  Speaker 1: for the regular season, and obviously, looking back, that wasn't it.
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  Speaker 1: But this guy looked like a leader. We saw it
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  Speaker 1: in Fortune Foxborough, right and it was just apparent if
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  Speaker 1: you were watching this team day in and day out
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  Speaker 1: in camp. And yeah, I was pretty surprised by it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, good player, I think, still a good player.
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  Speaker 1: It puts a lot of pressure on Craig Woodson. And
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of a theme. I know you have your
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  Speaker 1: seven questions. I have one big one and then a
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  Speaker 1: couple of smaller ones I want to get to. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know where you want to fit mine in, But like,
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  Speaker 1: that's another rookie that's going to be front and center
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  Speaker 1: for this team.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And I get that, you know, I said
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  Speaker 3: this to Paul the other day. I get if you're
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  Speaker 3: doing Madden ratings, Yeah, then Kyle dugger and Jabriel Peppers
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  Speaker 3: are probably rated higher in the game than Jalen Hawkins
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  Speaker 3: and Craig Woodson. But what they're asking these safeties to
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  Speaker 3: do is going to be sick magnificantly different. And I
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  Speaker 3: think the biggest part of what they're asking them to
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  Speaker 3: do that's different because to me, I've heard a lot
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  Speaker 3: about how they're going to ask the safeties to cover
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  Speaker 3: in man. I think they always had the safeties covered
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  Speaker 3: in man, like Patrick Chung was their tight end stopper
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  Speaker 3: for years here. I think early on in Kyle Duggar's career,
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  Speaker 3: when he was playing off of Devin mccordy, he covered
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  Speaker 3: tight ends a lot pretty frequently. So I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that the man to man stuff is necessarily new. What
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  Speaker 3: I think is new is that they're going to be
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  Speaker 3: playing a lot more in the deep part of the
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  Speaker 3: field as safeties, whether it's split safety structures like quarters
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  Speaker 3: coverage or Cover four. I think they're going to be
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  Speaker 3: doing a lot more that they're going to be a
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  Speaker 3: lot doing a lot more of Tampa or Cover two,
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  Speaker 3: and so in that you need to have safeties that
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  Speaker 3: are athletic, rangey, instinctive players playing over the top of
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  Speaker 3: the defense. And I just don't think that either one
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  Speaker 3: of these guys in Pepper's or dugger are really built
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  Speaker 3: to do that at a high level. And maybe Jalen
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  Speaker 3: Hawkins and Craig Woodson aren't the splash players, impact on
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  Speaker 3: the ball production type guys that Duggar and Peppers would
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  Speaker 3: have been or are, but they're going to keep the
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  Speaker 3: top on the defense, and I think at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day, that's what they're more looking for their
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  Speaker 3: safeties to do. To sum it up, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more concisely, they now want the safeties
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  Speaker 3: to be past game players. They want those guys to
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  Speaker 3: be cover players. They want those guys to cover ground,
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  Speaker 3: to cover space in the deep part of the field,
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  Speaker 3: and not so much be we're coming downhill at the
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  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage and stopping the run with our safeties.
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  Speaker 3: So that's a big difference in scheme and big difference
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  Speaker 3: in skill set, and I don't think it. Mike Rabel
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  Speaker 3: downplayed the scheme thing as a factor in all this,
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  Speaker 3: but then he was asked directly about Craig Woodson and
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  Speaker 3: immediately brought up athleticism in range. So I feel like
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  Speaker 3: that is not a mistake or that was not unrelated there.
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  Speaker 3: So that's Jabriel Peppers. One last thing on Peppers are
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  Speaker 3: using surprized that because I took the timing of it
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  Speaker 3: as they were probably trying to find a trade for
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  Speaker 3: one of those guys, Kyle Dugger or Gabriel Peppers. I
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  Speaker 3: know there's a ton of reporting out there that Kyle
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  Speaker 3: Dugger was on the trade block and teams were very
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  Speaker 3: well aware that he could be had in the trade.
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  Speaker 3: So the timing of it to me speaks to they
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  Speaker 3: probably were trying to trade Kyle Dugger or Jabriel Peppers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Really get an offer that they loved, and frankly, Jabriel
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  Speaker 3: Peppers was easier to cut from a contractual standpoint. But
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  Speaker 3: are you surprised that there was not more of a
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  Speaker 3: market to trade either one of those.
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  Speaker 1: Guys Peppers definitely. I think Dugger, just because of the contract,
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  Speaker 1: maybe made it a little tougher. But Peppers has shown
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  Speaker 1: he can still be a contributing player. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe some teams were the injury last year and him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, him missing time last year. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: was a little surprised. I'd want Jabrill Peppers on my
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  Speaker 1: football team, I'll tell you that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's a good point. I was surprised. I
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  Speaker 3: thought they would be able to get some even if
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  Speaker 3: it's just day three, right swap.
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  Speaker 1: If you're like a contender and you're looking for somebody
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  Speaker 1: to come in and bring a little edge to your defense,
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  Speaker 1: it's exactly the guy you're looking for to me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The other bit of news here over the last
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  Speaker 3: couple of days Patriots announcing their captains six captains Drake
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  Speaker 3: May Hunter, Henry Robert Spoleain and Harold Landry, Marcus Jones
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  Speaker 3: and Brennan school Are. I'm not surprised by most of those.
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  Speaker 3: I am surprised a little bit by Marcus Jones, not
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  Speaker 3: because anything, you know, disrespect meant to Marcus Jones. I
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  Speaker 3: just didn't really see that one coming. And I am
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  Speaker 3: a little bit surprised that Morgan Moses was not named
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  Speaker 3: a captain. But what was your take on the captains
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  Speaker 3: and more specifically, any surprises for you.
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  Speaker 1: Morgan Moses was a little bit of surprise. I think
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  Speaker 1: mainly like a good mix of returning players and guys
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  Speaker 1: who are new you know, Splaine and Landry. Those are
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  Speaker 1: two guys that this coaching staff is very familiar with,
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  Speaker 1: even though they're new to New England, so that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: surprise me. Aton Schooler was the obvious choice for the
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  Speaker 1: Special Teams captain. C Drake May starting quarterback like last
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  Speaker 1: year was different. He was a rookie, but he was
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  Speaker 1: going to be a captain this year. Really the two
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  Speaker 1: you know spots up in the air, Hunter Henry and
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  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones. With all the turnover, were they going to
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  Speaker 1: bring back a guy who was a captain last year?
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  Speaker 1: And Hunter Henry and I think he's somebody Mike Rabels
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  Speaker 1: talked about his leadership. I think he's somebody that has
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  Speaker 1: earned that. And then Marcus Jones there were some questions
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  Speaker 1: about just how big of a role he'd play on
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  Speaker 1: this team as one of those holdovers, another guy where
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  Speaker 1: there were scheme fit questions. Not the Special Teams captain.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they have two Special Teams captains. That
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  Speaker 1: would be pretty rare. Maybe the defense special teams captain,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that's a sign that they still have
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  Speaker 1: big plans from on defense. I saw some people surprise
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  Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez isn't a captain. Nothing against Gonzales, kind of
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  Speaker 1: a quieter guy. I don't know that he's like that.
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  Speaker 1: Those are all very vocal players. There's not a lot
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  Speaker 1: of outside of maybe Landry, you know, and maybe this
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  Speaker 1: is just my point of view, but Drake may is
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  Speaker 1: obviously the quarterback. Roberts splain. You hear him a lot
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  Speaker 1: at practice. He's jumping around, he's bought around. Hunter Henry's
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  Speaker 1: a guy that you know, is a veteran that you
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  Speaker 1: see a lot of the players gravitate towards younger players,
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  Speaker 1: gravitate towards Marcus Jones, a guy that has been a
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  Speaker 1: vocal leader on this team. You saw it going back
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  Speaker 1: to last year. And I think they really not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of those quiet, lead by example kind of guys.
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  Speaker 1: These are are first off the bus, front of the
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  Speaker 1: line guys. And it doesn't surprise me that's what Mike
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  Speaker 1: Gravel wants. But it's nothing against Gonzales. I just think
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  Speaker 1: there's kind of a theme here that he maybe doesn't
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  Speaker 1: fit as.
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  Speaker 3: Much Yeah, honestly, I didn't even consider Christian Gonzalez and
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  Speaker 3: they're running to be a captain. And again that's no
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  Speaker 3: disrespect to Christian Gonzales whatsoever. But and I was on
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  Speaker 3: your station last night with Joe Murray and he brought up,
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  Speaker 3: like Marcus Jones being a captain. This is what your
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: station does, right. They spin it as like it was
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  Speaker 3: just a shot at Gonzalz. I didn't even consider that
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  Speaker 3: angle of it because to all your points, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think Gonzales is really necessarily that vocal guy. I think
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  Speaker 3: there will be a point in his career where he's
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  Speaker 3: sort of like the elder statesman and it becomes like
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: a quiet leader and just someone that people lead by
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: example and look at and say, that's that's the peak.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: You know, that's a guy that is doing it at
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: a really high level. And then also frankly, like he
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: hasn't practiced since July twenty eight.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: That's probably and we're going to get to that.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: But that's a big part of this is like, these
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: are the guys that have been there, that have been
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: practicing every single day, that have been out on the
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: field and in the meeting rooms and in the huddles
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: and all that good stuff. So it's again, it's not
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: a knock on on Gonzales. I just I don't really
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: I don't really care to be honest with you about
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: like is this guy a captain? Is this guy not
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: a captain when it comes to like the best players
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: on the team, right, So it doesn't really bother me
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: one way or another. But there's the last thing on
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: the captains. One thing I was thinking about with Marcus Jones.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I agree with you that he's like a sneaky, vocal guy.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: He's also a that has a little bit of what's
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: the word like overlap or similarities in with Mike Rabel
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: and the fact that he plays in multiple phases. And
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: I wonder if that was a factor at all that
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Mike Rabel sees even though they're very different players, very
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: different positions, all that stuff, he sees a little bit
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: of himself in terms of like the sacrifice for the team.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Like if they said to Marcus Jones, we want to
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: put you on offense, he would play offense. If they
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: want him to return kicks and punts, he's returning kicks
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: and punts. If they wanted to play slock corner if
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: they want him to play safety, like he's doing all
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: of it. And Mike Rabel was the same way as
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: a player. He was a three phase player, and I
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: wonder if there's a little bit of that going on
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: with Marcus Jones as well.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: So do we know so two things? Well, do we
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: know if they're going to actually physically wear the sea
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: this year?
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I believe so, but I don't know that for a fact.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: The other thing I do like that they did this.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: So there's those six captains, But then Calebon Chase On
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: is going to be a game day captain or a
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: week by week captain. For week one it's against his
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: former team obviously had a great summer. I think deserves
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: some recognition. Do we know is this gonna be like,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: is there gonna be a game day captain every week?
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: That would be My guess is that it's gonna rotate.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Love that that's super college football, yep. But I just
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: think that's a cool thing, Like it's a good way
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: get guys a little extra recognition. You'll see a lot
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: of the times, like is the case with Chase On
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: it's against you know, a former team, or maybe if
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a guy is a really big matchup that week and
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: just kind of hey, we got your back, we're behind
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: you thing. I've always liked, you know. Again, that's more
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of a college thing than the NFL thing. Although I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: know the Titans did it last year post Rabel because
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Harold Lanjury was a game day captain at one point
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: last season. I don't know if Rabel did it in
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Tennessee before that. I need to look that up. But
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I'm a fan of it. I think it's a cool,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: cool little thing, and it'll be fun to track that
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: all year.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a cool thing and it'll be fun
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: to track. I agree, And I like it too, because
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: even though it's probably not a ton like at least
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: it's it might be a little bit of motivation for
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: some of these up guys that weren't named captains but
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: probably deserve to be recognized as leaders of this team.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Like that might be, you know, one week, the game
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: day captain, like when they play the Jets at Morgan Moses, right,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: you know, something like that, Like they just to give
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: those guys a little bit of kudos in a little
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: bit of love, even though they're not considered permanent captains.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: So that's the news of the day.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And so it looks like Tennessee just had seven captains.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: So I thought they had seven captains is last year.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I had looked that up before the captains came out
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: to try to get a gauge of of exactly how
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: many they would have. So it sounds like they're doing
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: six plus one with rotating game day captain as as
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: instead of seven permanent captains. Really quickly, though, do you
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: know what I like to eat, Alex when I'm watching
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: football games? Some toastedos?
• 19:50
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• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Are you toasted too?
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: So?
• 19:53
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• 20:22
  Speaker 3: All right, let's get to our questions. I have seven
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: plus plus two from you, so nine questions seven on
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: my own. We'll get to your questions. Don't worry. I'll
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: mix them in there.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: But I do mine first or last because mine's much
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: more bigger picture of yours are more individually focused.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll mix them in there. Okay, So I think
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: you got to start here whenever you're talking about big
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: picture questions with the Patriots, and that's just what Drake May.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: And we've given a lot of takes on this show
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: about Drake May over the last several months and where
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: he's at and all that good stuff. But now the
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: regular season's here and it's time to really see where
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: he's progressed and all that stuff. So my question with
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Drake May is does he take that next step? I
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: think that's the number one question with this team right now.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: But also like what would that look like to you?
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: What would it look like for him to take the
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: next step? Because I think it's subjective. It could be
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: wins losses, it could be statistical production, it could be
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: eye tests, Like there's a lot of different ways that
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: you could uh, a lot of different angles, and it's
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I think a subjective thing person to person.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So I mean I think it's multiple things, right. The
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: big number that I've continually thrown out under a turnover
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: a game. So if he plays all seventeen games and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: this is interceptions and fumbles sixteen or fewer interceptions in fumbles,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: now that can't come at the expense of making plays.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: You want to see the touchdowns as well. But that's
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: kind of been a big one for me because I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: think this defense should be a turnover game defense. I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: really do. So if Drake may can keep it under
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: a turnover game, you've now won the turnover battle for
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the season. That is going to really help you out.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: The other thing a lot of people point to year
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: two is kind of the make it or break it
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: year for quarterbacks, and there's some truth to that. Usually
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: if you don't figure it out by the end by
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the end of year two, you're not gonna have much
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: success in the NFL as a quarterback. Right You get
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: these guys like Baker Mayfield and Gino Smith and we'll
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: see this week in Sam Darnold, but they usually have
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to change teams and it's years later, and you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: if you're going to kind of hit it from the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: jump as a top pick and justify that pick, you
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: got to show progress in year two. Josh Allen was
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: one of these guys. Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts. I think
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Bryce Young will see what he does this year, but
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: people realize how good Bryce Young was second half of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: last season. We'll see if he can continue to build
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: on that. But there's also within that, whether it's Alan
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Burrow Hurts, I mean, a lot of these top quarterbacks
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: who kind of it clicked in year two for them,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: they were a lot better in the second half of
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the season than they were in the first. And it
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't like they flipped a switch and we eate and
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: suddenly we're good. But there was this gradual growth. So
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: however you want to measure it, turnovers, touchdowns, you want
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to use one of your for cock to numbers, go
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: for it is Drake May better at the end of
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the year than he was at the beginning. I think
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: that's also very important. I don't want Drake May to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: play his best game of the year this Sunday. I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: hope he plays a good game and it'd be great
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: if he plays his best game of the year this
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Sunday and we look back at it and say he
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: peaked in the opener, that's probably not a good thing.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Remember who peaked in the opener year too. Talking Matt Jones, Yeah,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I had a whole thing about he threw for three
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: hundred yards. Why you worried some of us didn't really
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: feel like you were. You stood on that hill alone
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: and you were correct. I wanted to give you your
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: flowers for that. So that's not me saying I hope
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Drake may sucks Sunday. Obviously not. But and it's not linear.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: There's going to be some up and some down. But
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: his last eight games collectively should be better than his
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: first eight games, if that makes sense. Like I just
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I want to see him continue to get better over
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the course of the year. If he's stagnant, even if
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: he's okay, but he's just stagnantly okay, that would be
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a little worrying long term. So cut down on the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: turnovers and improve as the season goes on. Those are
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: my two big check marks for him.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. I think the mine is
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: more and I think yours is too. Like I test subjective,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: you know, just sort of feel thing.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I can't give you an exactly, like, thirty touchdowns would
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: be great, but if it's thirty touchdowns and twenty five turnovers,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I'd be kind of worried about that. And he's Jameis Winston.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: And I'm also not like a big I don't really
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: do counting stats either, because if he has twenty touchdowns
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: but they have like twenty five rushing touchdowns to a
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: team because they're running it in from.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: The five yard If they're running in from the five
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: yard line all the time, don't you think he's going
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to be a little part of that.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But I'm just saying, like, if that is what
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: they do, is they get down you know, he gets
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: them down there and then they're just a smash mount
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: team at the goal line and they're just punching the
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: ball in without throwing it. Then I'm not going to
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: hold that against Drake May that they didn't have a
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: to in a red zone passing production because they're running
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: the football effectively down in the red zone. So what
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: I look at with Drake May and I think this
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: is just true for all these quarterbacks, and it's sort
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: of a feeld thing or an eye test thing that
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: you're just gonna have to trust your gut on is
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: does he start to take control of games? Like, does
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: he start to really be a master at his craft,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: and I think when you look at all these great
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks across the league, what you notice with all of
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: them is that they have this like cool, calm sense
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: of the game where it just feels like they are
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: the ones that are operating at a higher level than
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: everybody else And to your point about it getting better
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: as the season progresses, this is probably not going to
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: happen immediately for Drake May, especially with a new offense
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: and a new offensive coordinator and a new system to
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: assimilate to, but eventually you'd like to see him have
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: that feel of the game where it is clear that
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: he's the one dictating the terms of the game to
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: the defense versus reacting to the defense. And I wonder
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: if they can get him to that point this year.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I might be a little bit too high of a bar,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: but just when I watch quarterbacks around the league, whether
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: it's Lamar, whether it's Allan, whether it's Burrow, whether it's Mahomes.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Obviously Brady here for us for the last twenty years,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: you can tell that they have this They are above
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: it right, like they're operating above everybody else where. They
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: have this instinctive feel for the game and That's what
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I would like to see from Drake May. I understand
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: that he has all the physical abilities. I understand that
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: he can make some unbelievably good throws, but can he
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: situationally lock it down? Can he perform late in games?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Is he going to be able to you know, third down,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: they're going to throw something exotic at us, and we're
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: going to handle that from a pre snap perspective of
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: getting everybody blocked and knowing where our weaknesses are, our
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: vulnerabilities are, and being able to beat those types of things.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Once you're playing that chess match as a quarterback, that's
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: when you're reaching that next level. Because all these guys
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: have physical talent. I think you can name twenty quarterbacks,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: twenty five quarterbacks in the NFL that have physical talent.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: But the question is is can you really be the maestro?
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Can you be that chess master above all else? And
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I think that's what made Brady great, I think that's
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: what made Manning great. I think that's what made a
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: lot of these guys great. So I'm looking for Drake
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: May to take that next step there because we will
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: be able to at the end of the season make
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: a sizzle reel of fifteen great Drake maythrows, I have
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: no doubt about that. But is he going to be clutch?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Is he going to be situationally locked in?
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Is he going to be consistent?
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Is he going to be consistent? Is he going to
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: solve problems on the fly that the defenses are presenting
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: to him and be a step ahead of defenses. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: think that's where they really need to get him going.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Is the thinking part of the game more so than
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: anything to do with physical. That's decision making too, to
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: your point about turnof yes, So all that stuff is
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: really the next step. And I love I love Mike
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Vrabel's approach. I love you know, Josh McDaniels too. But
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: we've seen it in all the behind the scenes stuff
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: in Forge and Foxborough, how much he's pushing Drake May
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: on those elements of it, of being clutch, of being
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: on the details, situationally on leading, on you know, showing
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: that energy and that leadership quality to his teammates. That
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: that is going to end up making or breaking this
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: this quarterback, it breaks and breaks all of these guys.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So just real quick, quick to close the loop on
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: what I was saying earlier, Josh Allen second year, Yes,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: first five games, five touchdowns, seven interceptions, two hundred twenty
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: four passing yards per game, finishes the season with three
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: thousand yards, twenty touchdowns, nine er scepters. I know some
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: of these guys have running stats, but nobody's really worried
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: about Drake May's ability to run the ball. Jalen Hurts,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: super Bowl winning quarterback. Year two starts three and five.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Throws for year two a as a full time I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: might have a year for Hurts, so let's skip that one.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow second year, and he's coming off an injury,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: starts with twenty touchdowns, eleven interceptions in his first nine games,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy seven yards a game. Finishes the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: season ten ands, and the team was five and four.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Finishes the season ten and six thirty four touchdowns, fourteen interceptions.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Lamar first five games of his second year eleven touchdowns,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: five picks, two hundred and fifty four yards a game.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Throws for third thirty one hundred yards, thirty six touchdowns,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: six interceptions, so twenty touchdowns to one pick down the stretch.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: His second year, they start three and two, they finish
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: thirteen and two. Justin herbert second year, sixteen touchdowns, six interceptions,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: just under two thousand yards total to start the season
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: over his first seven games, finishes the year throwing for
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: five thousand yards, thirty eight touchdowns, fifteen picks. So with
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: just about all of these guys, I know it bears
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: out for Hurts. I just instinctively pulled out the second
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: year of his career when his second year is a
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: full time starters twenty twenty two, it's a year later.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: All of these guys, like mid October is when it clicks,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you know at some point, and the October.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: They all had the physical ability.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: It's just you got to see a certain amount of it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: So to go back to your point, like what's a
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: good year for Drake May, Let's keep an eye. They
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: go to Buffalo in Week five and we all know
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that's going to be a tough game. Right after that,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: they have a stretch where it's the Saints, the Titans,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and the Browns, and granted to those games are on
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the road, but that's kind of in that timeline where
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of these year two quarterbacks have taken off.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: It's a week week part of the schedule. There should
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: be a ton of opportunities for him to as he said,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: and he said in a different context, but get some
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: layups in before you start shooting threes. Those three games out, Well,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that was right up your alley there. Oh, I love it. Yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: he knows the truth about that covers two sports for
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that really does. It's a very useful take. You can't
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: say he's wrong because you won't say he's wrong. That's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and he was a good basketball player back in the day.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: One knows what he's talking about.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: You could shoot threes to that's yeah, but he got
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: the layups first.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: That's the stretch where I'm looking for Drake Made to
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: really take off. Like if Drake May's going to have
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the kind of ascension of some of those guys I mentioned,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: there's lesser quarterbacks. I know, there's like the five best
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: or four of the five best quarterbacks in the league.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: If he's going to have the ascension, that to me
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: is where it starts. So is in that run of
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: games and then we're you know, we're going to be
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: talking about you know, you'll hear my station was the Saints, Titans,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and Browns, Like, of course he's playing, Well, what did
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you expect after that, you got the Falcons of have
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: a really good defense, the Bucks, the Jets, the Bengals
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: have less of defense, but like that will be the Bramer. Okay,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: is he making the Falcons look like he made the
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Titans look Yeah?
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: So I just you said it earlier. I want everybody
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: to keep in mind that this development is not going
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: to be linear. Yeah, if you're expecting him to just
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: continue to ascend. And this is why with some of
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: the reporting on what's been going on at practice when
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: we were able to watch practice during training camp, this
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: was part of my I guess scripe with the way
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: it was being talked about with Drake Mays because if
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: you were just expecting every single practice to look great,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and that was the only way you were going to
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: be like pleased with his training camp and your two
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: here was that if it was just a arrow pointed
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: absolutely upward to the sky every single day, better better, better, better.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's how it worked with any of
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: these guys. I don't think that's how it's worked with
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: any quarterback in the history of the league, that every
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: single practice was better than the last practice. It's a
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: you learn from the mistakes, you take the lumps, you
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: figure it out, You're you're practicing, you're trying things like
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: that's where the guys that have ascended, And then all
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, to your point about all the stats,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: it just clicks. It's the they're great.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Not game to game, but the overall trend is upwards
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: as we get to the end of the year.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Yeap, all right, let's move on to the second one here.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: So just kind of going I could, I went almost
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: positioned by position with it a little bit, just some
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: of my lingering questions here. Number two on my list
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: was does Rimandre Stevenson remain the lead early down back? So,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: in my mind, based off these running back roles of
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: what they might have here this season, Travion Henderson is
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: going to be stagnant. I think his role is going
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: to be the same all year long. I don't think
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: they're gonna mess with Travon Henderson's role. They're gonna say,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: this is what we're gonna do with you. I think
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: it will probably be around twelve to fifteen touches a game,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: both in the run and pass game, and that's gonna
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: be his role for his entire rookie season. The spot
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: that might change is going to be that early down
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: back role between Remandre and Antonio Gibson. So that is
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: the one that I could see some fluctuation of usage.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Whereas Henderson, I think they're just going to kind of
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: keep him on the status quo. With Stevenson and Gibson,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: the obvious number one question is can Remandre hang on
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: to the football? Yeah, because I do think he's their
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: best first and ten from twenty five regular personnel.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: You know, full back in the back ball body blowback.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: He is the best early down between the tackles back
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: on the team. But we all know about the ball
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: security issues, and I don't think that Antonio Gibson is
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: a slouch. I think Antonio Gibson is a solid NFL
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: running back. The stats last year more than bear that out.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: So long story short, I would just say, can Remandre
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: hold onto the football long enough to hold on to
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: his job? Like That's really what it comes down to,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: because I do think Antonio Gibson is going to be
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: a consideration not before long. If form Andre Stevenson continues
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: to have ball security issues.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's right there and he can handle
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: some of that stuff. Stevenson does and he's a capable
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: pass catcher as well, so he gives you a little
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: more unpredictability when he's on the field. I just think
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: the big thing is they need somebody reliable in that role.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: You cannot use Trevon Henderson as a bell cow back.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: They try to do that at Ohio State. It seriously
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: limited his production. It's it's more he's not a volume player.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: You guys have heard me talk about this, like he's
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: got to be. You use him in spots, third down,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: two minute things like that. So Stevenson's stepping up and
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: returning to what he's been and I'm with you. I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: think he's a solid early down back when he holds
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: onto the football. And seven total fumbles over his first
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: three years and then seven alone last year. That's jarring
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: and that trend cannot continue. But if he can get
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: back to holding onto the football, I think him in
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Henderson is a good one two punch and then Gibson
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: factors in there as well, and I think he can
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: kind of spell both when needed. You almost throw him
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: that Rex Burke head role. But if Stevenson's putting the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: ball on the ground, it changes everything. Like to me, ideally,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Ramondre Stevenson's usage rate is probably low to mid forty percent,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Traveon Henderson is high thirty to low forty percent, and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: then Antonio Gibson makes up the difference forever he makes
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, that's what I think that ideally it
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: will look like. But you can't do that, seems and
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: can't hold onto the football.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: The comparison that I keep on going back to with
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Travon Henderson as Jamier Gibbs, maybe he's not as good
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: as Jamiir Gibbs. I think that remains to be seen.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: But just from a usage standpoint and a skill set
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: role standpoint, I think they're very similar in terms of
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: how they should be used. Jamiir Gibbs has been fifty
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: to fifty five percent of the snaps.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: He's Detroit fifty six last year. Yeah, that's that's I
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: don't know that. I'd have to see what touches are.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: So he was his rookie year. I want to say
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: he averaged somewhere around fifteen or sixteen touches.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Again, he had two hundred thirty four touches. He had
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: three hundred two touches last year. I don't think you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: can give Trayvon Henderson.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: But that's also we're also talking about years down the line.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: You know, Jamier Gibbs established himself.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I think that this is just kind of who Travon
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Henderson is.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: I think there's a chance that they can get there eventually.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: For Travon Henderson, I just wouldn't do that to him
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: as a rookie. But it's different, Like, Jamiir Gibbs is
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: an established star in the league, so now obviously the
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Lions are featuring him more out of the backfield as
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: a rookie. That wasn't as sssarily the case right out
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: of the gate, so they used deminted things. He's always
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: been right around fourteen fifteen, sixteen touches a game, Yeah,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: and his impact is so big still because he's so
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: explosive and because he's so dynamic with the ball in
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: his hands that even though he doesn't play the entire game,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: it still doesn't feel like you watch the Lions and
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: you're like, where's Jamir Gibbs been? Right, it's a massive
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: impact player, right, so I think you can still have
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: a massive impact.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Also side note, I just pulled up touches per year
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Dude, is how much the game has changed.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: So last year, Saquon Barkley led the league three hundred
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: seventy eight touches, which was forty more than the previous season.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: You go back just ten years, twenty fourteen to Marco
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Murray had four hundred and fifty touches. I remember that
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the Dallas covers go could you I don't know if
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that's possible current NFY.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I remember DeMarco Murray was talk about fantasy DeMarco Murray
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: was the fantasy bat because of the volume that he
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: was getting. It was insane.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Eighteen hundred yards on the ground, another four hundred three
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the air. Third that's dude, he had a So that
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: had been a that was a well earned offseason by
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray four hundred forty nine, Larry Johnson four hundred
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: and fifty seven going back to six, but that was
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a different game.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: So Jamiir Gibbs his rookie season, just to end this point,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: he averaged twelve attempts rushing attempts and three and a
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: half catches per game, So right around sixteen touches per game.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: The attempts, the rushing attempt seems a little high for
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Travon Henderson. I think that's maybe a little bit too many,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: but that feels about right. I would say, you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: twelve to fifteen touches a game, most of them playing
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: in the subgame, you know, subpass game and getting the
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: ball to him in space and trying to limit the
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: between the tackles running and the body blows that he
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: takes from doing that. I think that's about right, and
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I would expect that to stay stagnant, whereas this the
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: lead role, you know, the early down role is going
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: to change. I think if Vermondri's even scann hang onto
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: the ball, it's definitely going to change. I don't think
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: that this coaching staff is going to ride, ride or
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: die with Mandre. I think they like Antonio Gibson. I
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: think Antonio Gibson's a capable running back to step in
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: if they feel like they need to go that direction.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: So Remandre is a little bit un notice there, all right,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: next one here on my list, and then we'll get
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: to one of yours. What version of Stefan Diggs or
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: the Patriots getting Because this has been another one of
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: those that's been a very hot button topic this summer.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: The beauty has been in the eye of the beholder.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: With Stefan Diggs, it feels like everybody has a little
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: bit of a different take on how his training camp
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: went and how he looked in practice. I have been
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: box checked with Stefan Diggs all summer long. I think
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: he's looked exactly how I expected him to look. I
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: think he looks like he still has explosiveness. I think
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: he looks like he can still get open at this
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: level in this league, at his age and coming off
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: the injury. I have a very few concerns honestly about
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Diggs on the field and what he's shown me in
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: training camp, But I'm a not necessarily in the majority
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: of there. I think a lot of other people feel differently.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: So how do you feel about Stefan Diggs and what
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: version of Stefan Digs the Patriots are getting.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I'm encouraged, you know, It's it's a much different setting
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: once you get into these games. But physically he looks
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: at better than you could expect given you know where
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: he's at coming off the injury. It's just a matter
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: of does that translate into games and once he starts
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: getting hit, you know, can he maintain? And it is
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: he going to start strong and fall off, But I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't you know, when they sign him, I didn't
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: think he was gonna play week one. I thought he's
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: gonna open the sea'son pp and I didn't think we're
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: gonna see him camp or anything like that. And I
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: thought this question would be what happens when they get
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Digs back. So he's not gonna be like prime Digs
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: like he was in Buffalo, but I still think he
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: can be. I still think he'd be a thousand yard receiver.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: It's gonna look a little different. We've talked about this.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: It's more of a chain move than a big play
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: threat at this point, but I'm I'm excited to see
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: what he can give him.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Eye test wise, I think he's passed during training camp,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: and I just I see a guy that still definitely
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: has some juice in his legs and still looks explosive
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: and looks sharp coming out of cuts. So I really
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: have been pretty optimistic about what I've seen from Digs.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: And I think part of my optimism too, stems from
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: the fact that Josh McDaniels is really really good at
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: getting receivers like Stefan Diggs open off the line of
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: scrimmage and finding different ways, whether it's between alignment, formation's motion,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: stack spunches, things like that, that Steffan Diggs is just
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: going to get to the top of these routes and
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: he's gonna have a two way go where he can
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: break in or break out to get open. There's gonna
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: be a pocket of space there for him, and I
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: just have a lot of confidence still that he can
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: do that at a very high level. I don't think
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: they're going to be asking Steffan Diggs too much to
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: be the backside receiver in a three by one and
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: just run by somebody on the outside. I don't. I
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: think they realize that he is more of that chain mover,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: more of that flanker zero now where they are going
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: to move him around. And I think that combination of
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: McDaniel's combining some of the scheme tools that they can
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: use to get him open, and then Digs just savvy
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: and veteran savvy with his route running is a really
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: nice blend between coordinator and play caller and receiver. So
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: as long as Devon Diggs still has the juice and
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: is going to be one hundred percent healthy coming off
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: this knee injury. I don't really see any reason for
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: this not to work out. So I've heard a lot
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: of different things about digs and how he hasn't necessarily
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: put up a ton of practice production, you know, and
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: team drills and things like that, But just watching him
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: move and watching him practice, I feel like he is
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: more than past my eye test of what I expected
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: him to look like. And we'll see if it ends
• 42:51
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• 42:53
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• 43:24
  Speaker 1: So this is kind of my big picture question for
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the team going Drake May is obviously the big one,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: right where's Drake May at the other big one? I
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: wrote a column about this on ninety eight five the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: sports sub dot com this morning. You can check it out.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Is Look, it's not a hot take to say the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Patriots need to have a better draft class this year
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and they've had. I get like, choker, Wow, the Patriots
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: need a draft better good take part. It's a little
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: different than that they can't better. It's not like, all right,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: you know, they need some of these guys to hit
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: and build depth. Then there's some developmental players and we'll
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: see down the road. That's not what this is. That's
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: what it's been in past years. That's not what this
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: year is. They need a lot of these guys to hit,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and they need them to hit right away. I count
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: six rookies that are either going to start or be
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: in a heavy rotational role right away. There's not a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: lot of plan and B like depth options behind most
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: of them. And then there's two more guys that probably
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: aren't in that position right away, but could get to
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: that situation relatively quickly. So just to go through the
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: list will Campbell, and look, will Campbell's fourth overall pick.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: No matter the situation of the roster of the team,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the fourth overall pick, especially to premium position, that guy
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: should be starting. So this one's not at a character.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: But what are the options behind Will Campbell if he
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't work out or if he gets hurt, we'll get
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: to it. There's some, but there's not a lot. But
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell boom right there? Trayvon Henderson, we just talked
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: about him. Is he their main big play threat on offense?
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think Pop can give him a little
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: bit of that, maybe digs, but he's their best big
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: play threat on offense. They have some other that can
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: help them kind of march their way down the field,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: but that big play attack he's there. He's the guy.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: He's their matchup weapon, like he's their biggest mismatch.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: It looks a lot different offensively off Trevon Henderson does
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: not pan out, So that's two. Jared Wilson. All indications
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: are he's gonna be the starting left card and if
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: it's not, and he might end up playing at center
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: if Garret Bradbury continues to struggle, they have Ben Brown
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: behind him. That's kind of it. Cayden Wallas is a
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: converted tackle. He's mainly played on the right side, So
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: especially if Bradbury continues to struggle, Wilson has to work out.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Not much you can do if he doesn't. Craig Woodson,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: now with your Bill Peppers trade, he's your starting strong
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: safety and he's gonna play a lot. He's gonna play
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: in the box, and he's gonna help play the run.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: He's gonna help cover tight ends. Those are two things
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: they struggled with this summer. And then obviously have Andy
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Burgallis is your starting kicker. There's no plan be there.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Uh, park talk about the kickers.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Parker Romo not here anymore.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: You not know Julian Ashby Love, You're gonna get the drum.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm just going in the order of the draft
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: to the drafts. And then Julian Ashby the same thing.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: He's a starting a long snapper. There's nobody else here.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: And in a team they have the they are tied
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: for the most one possession losses in the last two years,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and I believe they have the seventh worst winning percentage
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: in those games. You want to get better, it starts
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: being better in one position games that a lot of
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that is special teams, right, you miss a field goal
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: that can swing it, and you can miss the field
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: goal because of a bad kick. You can miss a
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: field goal because of a bad snap. If they're going
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: to get better, it starts with getting better at one
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: possession games. You're gonna be better at one possesion games.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: It means being better in the kicking game. So those
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: two guys are in a key spot as well. So
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: that's Campbell, Henderson, Wilson Woodson, Borgalis Ashby who are either
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: starting or if not starting, because I think the concept
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: of a starting running back unless you're Derek Henry, doesn't
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: really mean anything in heavy rotational roles. Then you have
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams, who it looks like they're base eleven to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: start the season, is going to be booty digs and
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Pop mac hollins is going to mix in there as well.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: So it's a little tougher to tell exactly where Kyle
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Williams sits in that in that depth chart just because
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: and using the not the unofficial depth like really what
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: they're doing, right, He missed the last two weeks of
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: camp because he got hurt in the Minnesota game, so
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: it's tougher to tell, but they're gonna need his speed.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: They're gonna need a speed, They're gonna need his ability
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: after the catch. He is going to work his way
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: to that rotation at some point during the year. And injuries.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: You know, Pop Douglas has had some troubles staying on
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the field. Diggs is coming off the ACL. Those are
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: probably the two guys who were chiefly in front of them.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: They're gonna need Kyle Williams play meaningful stamps for them
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: at some point this year. And then the other guy
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: is Marcus Bryant. Marcus Bryant ideally plays no snaps this
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: year because he's the third tackle and you want your
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: starters to start. Do you know how many tackles played
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: all seventeen games in the NFL last year?
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Not many?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I bet seventeen. And of those seventeen, there's only two
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: sets of teammates. The Saints had both starting tackles play
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: all seventeen games in the Packers had both starting tackles
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: play all seventeen games. That's it. So odds are Marcus
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Bryant's gonna have to play at some point and he's
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: gonna have to start at some point. He's clearly the
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: top backup right tackle behind Morgan Moses. Left tackle. They
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: do still have Darien Lowe, but I wonder, Evan, just
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: given the way this coaching staff has approached players they inherited,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: if Marcus Bryant will get the first crack at that
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: if Will Campbell gets hurt, now maybe he has, you know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: a shorter leash at left tackle then he does on
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: the right side with her Darien Lowe still there. But
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: odds are he's gonna Marcus Bryant's probably gonna start a
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: game or two at least for this team at some
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: point this season especially. That's just what history tells us
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: the way again, seventeen, that's it. That's both sides. Seventeen
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: of sixty four tackles last year started all seventeen games.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna probably see him at some point. So
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: that's six rookies starting or an impact roles right away.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams will be in one, should be in one
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: at some point. You hope Marcus Bryant's not, but odds
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: are he will be. This is not hey, they're developmental players.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: You know he's going to grow into this role Bill
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Belichick used to ease the rookies in, there's a veteran
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: there alongside him as either plan A or a solid
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: play and B and okay, well if he doesn't hit
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: right away, we have a options and there's time. That's
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: when we talk about draft classes hitting in the past.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: A lot of it is you look at last year's class,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Javon Baker, developmental player, that twenty twenty two class that
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: didn't pan out. There were developmental players there that Okay, well,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: he's probably not going to make an impact a year one,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean the pick isn't a hit. You know,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: if he and obviously a lot of these guys didn't,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: but comes along in year two, year three, he's going
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: to replace this veteran that's on the roster. And that
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: was the plan. You're drafting a guy year two early,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: and that can be a successful draft in some context. Now,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: this isn't totally uncommon for a team that's churning, like
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: turning over their roster as much as the Patriots have,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: but this is where they're at. These are not developmental players.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: These are guys that if the Patriots are going to
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: be you know, really make a playoff push. The majority
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: of these guys, if not all, have to hit right away.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: It's obviously not binary, it's not all or none. But
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: they're going to need a lot of these guys to
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: be starting caliber players as rookies. Sorry, that's the whole rank.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: No, that's fine. It was a good rant. I think
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: the biggest thing that you just mentioned there at the
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: end that stands out to me is starting caliber. It's
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: one thing to be playing right, it's another thing to
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: be playing well. And I think that's what we've seen
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: in these last couple of draft classes, is that guys
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: have maybe been playing because the depth on the roster
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: didn't allow them time to not play and develop in
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: the behind the scenes. Like maybe they didn't win at
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: the height of the dynasty when they just had droves
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: of depth. For example, last year, Laden Robinson, he was playing,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Was he playing well? But I would even say that
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: last year's draft, like the jam Bulk was playing, But
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: was he? Was he good?
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: But they had it and maybe they obviously weren't great,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: but they had playing b's for some of those guys.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: They had Kendrick Bourne coming off i R. They had
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: kJ Osborne who didn't work out, but was a veteran
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: who had you know, played in the league.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: To me, isn't like Booty and Mac Collins like those guys.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: So at wide receiver. Sure, And that's why I didn't
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: include Kyle Williams on my list of the six reel
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: impact guys. Who is the Kendrick Bourne coming off I
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: or to rescue the team of big play threats on offense?
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Or Trevon Henderson who is the Hendrick Bourne at left guard?
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: If it doesn't work out for Jared Wilson, that's fair there,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: And like you can say it might be Ben Brown there,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: but okay, what if Garrett Bradbury doesn't work at center?
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Well we'll get to that.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: But I see Kendrick Bourne, I guess that would be.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: Co Yeah, And I think we're on in the same
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: the same spot with it, Like they don't they need
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: these rookies to be good. Like it's not that they can't.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: They can't just be out there, they can't just be
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: taken out space. They need to actually play and play well.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: And it's it's different than your average, But the point
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: is it's every year you want your rookies to be good.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: But most years, most teams and again this is not
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: unique to the Patriots. This is not something that's unprecedented.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: But most years, most teams, Okay, well, if this guy
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: isn't great from the beginning, we have other veterans we
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: can put in there, or we can, you know, kind
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: of cover him or whatever we can. He there's more
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: time from development. If he doesn't really hit that stride
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: in a year two, it's okay. He can still be
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: his success. We can still be successful as a team
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: this year without him. Can the Patriots still be successful
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: without these guys being good players?
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: I would say no to Campbell and Henderson. Those two guys, though,
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: were drafted in the top forty and they should be
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: immediate impact players. I guess in hindsight now that Jabrill
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Peppers has gone, Craig Woodson has a lot on his plate.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, you could still go back
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: to Kyle Duggart and he's still here. Jared Wilson is
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: another one that probably is in a similar boat as
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Henderson and Campbell, because it's Ben Brown, it's Kaden Wallace,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: like those are their backups right now, and you would
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: like to think that Jared Wilson is better than those
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: two guys, and.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Then the kicker and the long snapper. Of course, those guys,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: they just have to be good like there's no consider
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: there's nobody walking through the door. So yes, two special
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: teams players. Six sounds like a dramatic number. Two special
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: teams players kind of dress it up, but it is fair.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: The rookies don't have to hit. They have to hit
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: right away, and they have.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: To play like they have to be good like again,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of the times two things happen. One,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: they keep the majority of the draft class on the
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: roster and everybody it's like, oh, good, good draft class.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: They everybody made the team like that, that's not the bar.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: And the other thing is, oh, the rookies are playing okay,
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: but how are they playing right like? It's again, it's
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: one thing to just play. You can play guys like
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Polk played, Leiden Robinson played, obviously Drake played like guys
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: played last year from the rookie class. And now a
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: year later, how do we feel about the twenty twenty
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: five rookie class or twenty twenty four excuse me, outside
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: of the quarterback, not very good. So they have to
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: play it and they have to pan out and that's
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: a big part of this whole thing right now for
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Mike Rabel, and not to change gears here at all,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: but he was asked on your rival station on the
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: EI about the Micah Parsons trade and whether or not
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: the Patriots were in the Micah Parsons sweepstakes, and Rabel
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: brought it up. He said, we need, we need to
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: We need draft picks, like we need to hit on
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: these draft picks. We need to develop talent. We need
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: high first round picks. We need depth on this roster,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: and we're not in a position yet to be giving
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: away draft picks. That's a really big part of this
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: entire thing. It's probably the biggest part, frankly, of the
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: entire thing and this whole thing working is can they
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: start drafting and developing their own players again? Can they
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: have homegrown talent where every two or three years they
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: don't have to dip back into free agency and spend
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: three hundred million dollars on day one of free agency
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: to replenish the top of the roster because they missed
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: on a bunch of draft picks. They can't keep having
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: that happen. They got to have homegrown talent. They got
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: to develop homegrown talent. Now my next one here on
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: the offensive line. He brought up the rookie offensive lineman
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: on the left side. I think that gets a lot
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: of talk, and rightfully so. I'm actually maybe a little
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: bit more optimistic about that too, because maybe it's just
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: who they're replacing in the bar being so low of
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: them being better than what they've had at left tackle
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: and left guard over the last couple of years. But
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: at the same time, I would much rather take the
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: talent that Will Campbell and Jared Wilson are bringing to
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: the table and live with some of the rookie growing
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: pains that are inevitable than what they've had the last
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: couple of years. I'd much rather take their arc of
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: development versus Vederian Loewe and Laden Robinson's. I think they're
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: just so significantly better than the guys that they're replacing
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: just from a talent standpoint. I'm not saying it's going
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: to be perfect. Just from a talent standpoint that I'm
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: willing to give them some grace and let that go.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: The one thing that I would be concerned about right
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: now on the offensive line is center. I think Garrett Bradbury.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: In my question with Garrett Bradbury is does Garrett Bradbury
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: maintain the starting center job, but can he hold on
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: to that job for the duration of the season, of course,
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: taking injuries out of this, right, does Garrett Bradbury survive
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: the season at center? Because if he doesn't, and he's
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: a liability to the point where they have to replace
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: Garrett Bradbury at center, We've been down this road before
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: where that becomes a house of cards. Like now all
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're moving people around, You're putting Ben
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Brown in the starting lineup, or you're kicking Jared Wilson
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: over a spot to center after he's been playing left
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: guard for eight weeks, and you're doing this whole thing
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: that they often got in trouble with, for example with
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Mike on Winnu, where there it was inside outside, inside outside.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: You would love health permitted to just put Jared Wilson
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: and Will Campbell on the left side and leave him
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: there for seventeen weeks and not mess with those two guys.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: But if Garrett Bradbury can't hold up at center, then
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: it creates this potential house of cards or shuffle where
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: now everybody's starting to kind of move around there on
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: the interior. So where's your faith right now? Like, where's
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: your level of concern with Garrett Bradbury.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna be the guy. You know, we
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: talked about this. They're past the point where they can
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: switch it. It's tied into Jared Wilson. If if Jared
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Wilson's solid and you can just plug Ben Brown in there,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I think Ben Brown's a capable starting center. Like I
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: guess the faith in Bradbury is. I'm not convinced he's
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: going to be their starting center for seventeen games, even
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: injury aside. If Jared Wilson slid, you can plug Ben
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Brown and then he gives you more or less what
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: he gave you last year. I think they'll be fine.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: If you're also worried about left guard, it gets a
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: lot trickier. And now maybe you're more hesitant to Paul
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Garrett Bradbury because who do you want to You know,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: now you decide who do you basically leave out there
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: to struggle. Do you put the rookie out there and risk,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: you know, upsetting his confidence for the long term, or
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: do you leave the veteran out there, even if he's
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: maybe a slightly worse player. So if Jared Wilson hits,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I feel good about their their center position even if
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: he's not there. But I Bradbury, somebody will be keeping
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: an eye on early, Like I don't feel like he
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: has a strong stronghold on that job.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: No, no, do I. And it just goes back to
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: like a Skarnak thing where a continuity on the offensive
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: line is so important and it might not be your
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: most talented five players on paper that end up being
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: your best five on the offensive line, But if they
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: can play on a string, and if they can play
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: together and they have that continuity and they're seeing it
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: through the same set of eyes, like that can trump
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: talent at that position because it's a five man unit
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: versus one, you know, individual player. So there might be
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: a case to be made that Ben Brown is better
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: than Garrett Bradbury anyways, just individually, he's just a better player.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: But I think the better case would probably be that
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: maybe Ben Brown is just better suited to be the
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: center in the current real time you know, current time here.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: So we'll see what ends up happening with Bradbury. There's
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: some optimism about his run blocking based off the preseason,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: but we all know that play strength and holding up
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: against bigger bodies on the interior is going to be
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: the number one question. Is he getting walk back into
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: the quarterback? Is he able to dig out and move
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: nose tackles like that. That's really where it starts an
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: end with Kerrett Bradberry. So we'll see if he ends
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: up holding down the position. Ben Browns had a nice summer,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: so maybe you can be a little bit optimistic about
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: what he could bring to the table. But if I
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: had to say my biggest concern on the offensive line,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: it's not the rookie left side, it's center. I really
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: feel like the rookie left side is gonna do its thing.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: It's gonna have some highs, it's gonna have some lows.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: But overall, over the course of seventeen games, assuming those
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: two guys stay healthy, it's gonna be better. It's gonna
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: be improved from what they have. And that's the baseline
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: for right now. Center. I don't know if it's gonna
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: be better than last year, and that's gonna be a
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: big question mark for the team. All right, let's move
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: over to the defense. We probably should go a little
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: bit faster than we've been going, honestly, But let's move
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: over to the defense here. I have a couple of
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: defense more health related type things. I think this storyline
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Alex and we brought it up yesterday on Patriots Unfiltered,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: and maybe kind of feel even stronger about it. Christian
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Barmore and his health status, his ability. I would say,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: less so to be out there, but more so to
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: be fully locked in Christian Barmore and be able to
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: give them seventy five eighty percent of the snaps and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: play that much and play it at a high level
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: like we know he's capable of doing from earlier on
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: in his career before the blood colts popped up. He
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: has been sneakily on a pitch count all summer long
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: in practice where some practices he's participating in full and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: some he is not. I don't because of what's been
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: going on with Gonzales and then obviously all of the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: question marks on the offensive side of the ball. I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: feel like this has flown under the radar with Christian Barmore,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: that are they going to get a fully healthy, full
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: go Christian Barmore come Week one against the Las Vegas Raiders.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: I think still remains to be seen a little bit.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: I think he looks right when he's out there. I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: think you're going to get a fully healthy Christian Barmore.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: The question is how much of him do you get?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: To your point about the pitch count? Is he out there?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what his snap percent which was
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: his last fully healthy season. Obviously last year you kind
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: of throw that out. Good for him getting back, but
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: he was he was managed that whole time. So he
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: played sixty six percent of snaps in twenty twenty three,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: which was a career high. Do you get him forty
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: percent of the time, fifty percent of the time, sixty
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: percent of the time. Like I think, when he's out there,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be really good, because he looked really good
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: this summer when he was out there. I'm not super
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: worried about that thing. It's more just does the pitch
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: count continue into regular season games?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: And early on in the season, guys rotate all the time,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Like we're Week one, it's going to be a big rotation.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: And you know what, one sixty six percent is pretty
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: high for an interior defensive lineman. So if he's up
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: over sixty percent. I would consider that a full go.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would wait to judge this question for about
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: a month or so, because we won. Is always a
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: heavy rotation.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I'd wait to judge most of these questions for a month.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: But yeah, nobody has played a full game from start
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: to finish yet, so no one I accept. Maybe the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: quarterback is going to play every single snap on Sunday,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: I would say, And sometimes the offensive line, you know,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: guys like on when Wu like he might play, you know,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: the whole duration, Campbell Moses like, those guys might play
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: the whole way. But a lot of the times that
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: doesn't happen, even on the offensive line. So Week one
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: is always a crapshoot when it comes to that. And
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: then Week two is going to be one hundred and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: ten degrees in Miami, so there's gonna be another rotation there,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: whether it's conditioning wise just because it's early on in
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: the season, or weather wise being down in Miami in September,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: that's going to be a factor as well. So when
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: you put those two things together, or at least going
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: into week three before we know fully are these guys
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: going to be full tilt as Christian barm Or one
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: hundred percent cleared and healthy, so we'll see what ends
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: up happening. But his snap count, his pitch count during
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: training camp. Again, I think, you know, other stories have
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: sort of pushed this down, Like if there was no
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Gonzales thing, if Jabrill Peppers did not get cut on
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: a Friday afternoon after cut down day, then like these
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: things would probably be bigger stories. Diggs obviously is a
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: huge story, but Barmore's snapcount, pitch count, whatever you want
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: to call it, and just overall effectiveness. They need Christian
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Barmore to be the twenty twenty three version of Christian Barmore,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: the guy that played last year. All the kudos in
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: the world for him get getting back, but he would
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: be the first to admit that he was a shell
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: of himself last year. He did not look like the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: dominant force that he can be if he's at the
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: best of his ability. Christian Barmore is a better player
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: than Milton Williams, like, Christian Barmore is their best defensive
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: lineman if he's full peak Christian Barmore like in twenty
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: twenty three. So I think it's a big part of it.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: I think they need Christian Barmore to be his usual
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: wrecking self. So that leads us to the other big
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: injury one that is probably the story of the day
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: right now with the Patriots, and that's the status of
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: Christian Gonzalez. We will be out at practice alex in
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: a couple of hours here and we'll see whether or
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: not Christian Gonzalez is there with the rest of the team.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: He was not out there on Monday. It's been over
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: a month now. July twenty eighth was the last time
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: he practiced for the Patriots. I know, there's your station
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: has a lot of tinfoil hat theories going on now
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: about why he hasn't been out there. You knows it.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: Could it be contract related, all those types of things.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: We can explain that here in a second. But overall,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: where's your panic meter right now with Christian Gonzales.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: So I was saying I'd go from from lowercase W
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: to upper kasew worried if he wasn't out here today.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Vrabel kind of sounding less optimistic about it on Monday,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: maybe accelerated that process. He's out here today. I'm not worried,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Like this is the first real they've been getting ready
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: for the Raiders for a couple weeks now, but this
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: is the first real you know, getting into it game
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: week like practice. So he's out there. It's not a
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: position where and I think we talked about this with
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Carlton Davis during camp, It's not a position where in
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: the context of the defense, Okay, he needs to be
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: out there, and he needs to be immersed in the
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: scheme and this and that. Like Rabel has said, they're
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: gonna play a lot of man coverage. It's study your opponent,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: pick up on his route tree, his tendencies, his nuances,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: know what he's gonna do. It's more tell me, this
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: is unfair to say Evan Corner. At least the way
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have Gonzales play is more of
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: a film room preparation position than a practice field preparation position.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Would you agree with out on an island by right, So, like,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: obviously there's being in physical shape and he has run
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: with the receiver in a month, that's you'd like him
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: to get out there to kind of get that going.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: But if he's out there today, all right, like he's
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: out there for the full week, what's essentially the full
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: week of practice. He's very talented. I'm not super worried
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: about him missing time beyond basic conditioning stuff. It's not
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: out there today, I mean the and it's a new
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: coaching staff, so we'll see how they handle things, because
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: every staff's a little different and this is something we'll
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: kind of try to pick up on over the course
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: of the season. But generally across the league, when guys
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: don't practice on Wednesday, what's the rate of those guys
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: playing unless it's a designated rest day. I think the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: percentage is relatively low. So you want to see him
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: back out there today, But we'll see.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's one hundred percent to me a conditioning
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: thing and not a mental locked into the game plan thing.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: Because for a guy like Christian Gonzalez, even against the Raiders,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: who don't necessarily really have they don't have DeVante Adams anymore,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: right that he has like a more key matchup per
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: se on the outside. But they're gonna say to Christian Gonzalez, like,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: you have Jacobe Myers, right, or you have Dante Thoron,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: or you have next week, you have Hill, you have
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill, and there that all his preparation, like you mentioned,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: comes from watching cutups of those guys run routes like that.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: That's what it is. It's film study, it's tendencies, it's
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: all that kind of thing. You are at corner. You're
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: really on an island, Like it really is not a
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: whole lot of you know, chemistry with other guys and play.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: It's not really all that. Like there's corners that I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: think ty Law used to be like famous for this.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Like he'd stand up in the defensive meeting, he'd like
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: kind of hit the desk a little and he said,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: I got Eric Mold.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: What's the story, right, I'm tie I think I'm Tye Law.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I got Marvin Harrison and that's.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: The later I'll see you Sunday. Ty Law is so cool, right,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: So like that that I think is where Gonzalez is
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: at second team All Pro. He's at that level. The
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: one question that comes up with Gonzales, Uh, now that
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: we've given that part of the take, this is your
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: station's fall your station.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: So I have a take on this, go ahead, but
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I actually I have a legitimate question few on this.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: So Scott emailed in and he kind of set the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: table on this question. Do we have any inkling from
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: a tinfoil hat perspective that this is contract related for
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: Christian Gonzales. So to answer Scott's direct question, he's not
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: extension eligible until next offseason, right, going into your fourth
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: year of your rookie contract. So he has to play
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: this year on the rookie deal.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: No matter what he can't get he can they cannot
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: pay him.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Yet, right, CBA thing can't pay him. So in theory,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: like this year could be a quote unquote contract year,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: you could look at it that way for Christian Gonzales.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: But to me, if I'm Christian Gonzales, in just in general,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: with Christian Gonzales, the biggest thing that's holding him back
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: from getting an absolute bag is availability with it. There's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: no question whatsoever about performance when he's on the field,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: whether it was the first month his rookie season or
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: it was all last year. He is an all pro
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: caliber corner. So it's not going to come down to
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: whether or not he's worth the money. What it's going
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: to come down to is whether or not he's available
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: to the team. So to me, holding out or sitting out,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: and I guess you could say, well, he comes back
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: too early and he tweaks the hamstring again. Now he's
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: missing games, YadA, YadA, YadA. But if he's not out
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: there today, he's missing games already. So I think the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: biggest thing that Christian Gonzales can do to prove that
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: he is worth the money that he performance wise has
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: rightfully earned next off season is be available. Keeping himself
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: off the field is the opposite.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, like what hurts his value more if
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: he plays ten to twelve games but he plays them
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: at the level he played last year better, or he
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: plays sixteen or seventeen games but he's like eighty percent
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: of the player he was last year, which one hurts
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: him more contractually not being available right the fewer games.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: So sauce Gardner was not very good last year, like relative,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: he was not an all.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: That's the guy that Gains brought up, is that sauce Gardener.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: Some people think that sauce Gardner made a business decision
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: to ease up a little bit last year, which also
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: But it was his first year. He was an All
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Pro the two years prior. He wasn't All Pro last year,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: but he still got paid because he's out there and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: it's on tape and I think last year's tape is
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: going to speak a ton now Gonzalz can't go out
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: there and suck right like, he's still got to be good.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: But I think the availability is a bigger question than
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: the ability at this point. Now that's what we think.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe him and his team see it differently. At the
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: end of the day, it only matters what he thinks
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: in that regard to the other.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Side of it is is that if he comes back
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: too soon and he rushes back and then he tweaks
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: the hamstring worse in a game, then now he's missing.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Well, so that's the other side of it. What's what's
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: you know? You weigh this. Let's even call two games,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: right because in my if it's a hamstring thing in Miami,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: it's hot, you can cramp up. You worry about that
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: he misses the first two games of the year, but
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: then he's available the rest of the season full go
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Or you rush him back for this
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: week or next week and he aggravates the hamstring and
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: now he misses six weeks. Right, I'd rather he miss
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: the two games. I'd rather he just miss less time.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: They need him for more games. So I am okay
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: with them being cautious. If that's what this is. Obviously,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: if he's not practicing because of his contract, like that's
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: not what you want, Well, I don't think that's what
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: it is. I think it's him being cautious. I also
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: think they're being cautious with their best player if he's
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: availed a problem with that.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: If he's available for the majority of the season and
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: he plays like he did last year, he's gonna get paid.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: He's gonna get the biggest contract of cornerbacks ever gotten.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: He's gonna get the money. So I just I don't
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: think that there's enough incentive this early on. If this
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: was next offseason and he still hadn't signed an extension
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: yet and he was had a tweet tam String, that's
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: a totally different story. But to do that a year
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: at advance, I just I think that's that's a little
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: bit too you know, conspiracy theory. For me, we have
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: to take a break. But there's one last thing that
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: we had on our list and isn't going to be
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: quick because it's a special teams thing. Well, what's your
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: kickoffs thing? Go forward?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Well, let's just see like they changed their rule. It's
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: a thirty five yard touchback. This is going to be
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: a bigger play then it's been in the past, and
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: how does that ultimately look. I think this play can
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: be a weapon for teams that are good at it.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: You can steal seven points and the Patriots look good
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: at it in the preseason. So how much of the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: preseason was teams testing things versus teams maybe not wanting
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: to show their full hand of what they're going to do.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: We'll see, But can it seemed like Jeremy Springer and
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: that unit had a great camp. Can they make that
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: kickoff on both sides? Can they make that kickoff play
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: a weapon? Can they make it a weapon for the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: offense and create short fields and put points on the board,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: And can they make it a weapon for the defense
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: and create long fields for the opponent. I love that
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: they saved the kickoff instead of getting rid of it. Obviously, yes,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: in a perfect world, the old format was great, but
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: that was just for a number of reasons, never going
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: to last. I think this new format, when you get
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: past how weird it looks initially, is a real true
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: football play and that's enjoyable to watch. I want to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: see if the Patriots can take advantage of maybe seemingly
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: getting ahead of it a little bit.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: My quick take on this, I think they have multiple guys,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: but they're probably going to start out with Henderson and
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: Antonio Gibson that are actually really well suited for big
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: returns in this new format. I think that's an advantage
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: for them. I think they actually have really good returners
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: you can throw and they haven't done this yet with
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones, But Marcus Jones we know is a great
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: punt returner, and I don't think it would be I
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: think it would translate for him on kickoffs if they
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: wanted to go that direction as well. So they have
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: multiple guys that I feel like can be really good
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: at this and be factors to your point on it.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: And because of the way the new rule is set up,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: it's inviting returns like they want more returns. So if
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: you are forcing teams to put the ball in play
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: and the Patriots have two dynamic returners back there, then
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: that is an advantage, maybe more so than what it
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: has been in the past. So I look at it
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: and I think that this is going to be more
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: of a live play this year. I think this is
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: going to be more legitimate of a factor because if
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: you fly the ball into the end zone, it's the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: thirty five yard line right as the touchback. Like that,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: that's a big difference in field position. If you fly
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: the ball right out of the back of the end
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: zone and take the touch back, you only got to
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: go like it, that's sixty five yards for a touchdown.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: But the way kickers can kick the ball now field
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: goal kickers, Like, how long are you really having to
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: go to get points on the ball?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: It's not that much. So I think this is going
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: to be a big deal. I think there's gonna be
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: a lot more balls in play from a kickoff perspect
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: given the Patriots in the preseason, especially with Henderson, but
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: in general they have good returners, so this could be
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: an advantage for the team. That's maybe it was a
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: bigger deal now with the new rules than it has
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: been in the past, because I know a lot of
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: people roll their eyes at this kind of stuff when
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: we talk about special teams.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: But no, this is an important thing. This is you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: and different now.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: I am wondering, though, really quickly, if this ends up
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: being too much of an impact on the game, Like
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: there's just big returns all over the place might be exciting,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: but I don't necessarily think that's what the league had
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: in mind when they put his rule in. Is that
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the game is being decided on
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: kickoff returns. I don't think that that was the goal.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: So if that's the case, then I wonder if it
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: becomes tweaked again next offseason. If all of a sudden, guys,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: everybody looks like Corderyl Patterson and there's just returns left
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: and right, I don't know if that's exactly what they
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: had in mind. All Right, we have to take a
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: quick break and then we'll come right back and we'll
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: get onto the Raiders.
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  Speaker 3: let's open the show up. These guys have been waiting
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  Speaker 3: on hold for a while. Patty is an ag on
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  Speaker 3: what's up? Patty?
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  Speaker 9: Thanks good?
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  Speaker 3: How are we doing?
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  Speaker 5: I am doing all Really, I just wanted to kind
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: of read earlier this preseason where I met you guys.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: I do have a couple of questions, but I just
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: wanted to say, like Evan, I meant what I said
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: to you when I said you're the best stam analyst
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: in the league, Alex I approached you, you had to
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: look in your eye like, who the hell is this
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: weirdo coming towards me?
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: But I'm sorry about that. It always takes me.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: You hear voices, but you don't see faces.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: So yeah, right, But you know, I was lucky enough
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: to take in two practices and it was awesome. It
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: was a great experience just all around. I got a
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: really good feeling about this team this year. But onto
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: the questions. The first one is, how do you guys
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 5: feel like they're going to defend brock Howers? Because to me,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, Ashon Gent's a big unknown, but brock Bowers
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: is by far their best skilled player. You know, do
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: you do you think they cover them? Trying to cover
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: them one on one with Flame, which I think would
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: be a mistake. Do you think they pepper him with
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: Woodson or Hawkins and possibly Alex Austin in the slot
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: and just like take turns and see you as better.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: And this is a little bit more question for Evan
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: because Alex, past two weeks I've thrown some questions at you.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: And by the way, Nick Carver, I want that guy
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: that he should add two touchdowns. But do you think
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: the key to winning this game, Evan? It will both
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: of you, but Evan, you could probably go in a
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: little bit more detail is coming out and playing predominantly
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: in twenty one personnel and kind of taking the game
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: to the Raiders, the kind of game that the Raiders
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: want to play, because you know, Carol's gonna want to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: establish the run. They're gonna want to ram the rookie
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: right down our throats. But just you know, take that,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: take that and take it to them and sort of like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, beat them at their own game and be
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: the more physical team. I'll take it off there, guys.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks Patty, I had two good questions. Let's talk a
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: little bit about Bowers now, and I'm sure we're gonna
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: do key matchups. I'm assuming he was on both of
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: our lists of how you're going to match up against
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: him anyway, so we can just get this out of
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: the way with Bowers. This is a really fun first
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: test because I don't think the Raiders roster talent outside
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: of their big names like Bowers and Max Crosby, is overwhelming.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: But they have two guys and Bowers and Crosby, who
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: are two guys that just profile as players that could
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: give the Patriots problems. So in a vacuum, it's like
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: a good first matchup because it's one I think it
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: shows you who's capable of covering tight ends that are
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: as dynamic as Bowers on the roster. But it also
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: shows us the first game plan of the Mike Rabel era,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: Right are they going to be bellichicking in and how
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: they game plan where they are going to have a
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: unique wrinkle for brock Bauers, especially in passing situations they're
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: down two minute whatever, or are they going to kind
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: of play their base coverages and play their defense and
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: just think that the system is going to be able
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: to hold up against the guy like Bowers. I tend
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: to think it's going to be the game plan thing,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: and I'm really hoping it's going to be the game
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: plan thing, because I think the best teams do it
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: that way. So for Bowers, there's two options. You can
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: either bracket him out of the game, you can double them,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: or you could put a corner on him, a true
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: corner like Alex Austin or Carlton Davis and just hope
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: that because he's a tight end and he's not really
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: a true wide receiver, that a corner is going to
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: have the man coverage skills to go up against Bowers
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: because he's not particularly big, like he's only six three,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: two forty, He's not grounk. He's not a six foot seven,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty sixty pound tight end. He's definitely
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: more in that Travis Kelcey build. So you could technically
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: put a corner on him and they could go man
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: to man and that matchup could make a little bit
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: of sense. How do you see them just overall? Do
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: you think they're going to be really game plan heavy
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: and then specifically on Bowers? How do you see them
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: taking care of Bowers?
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd I'd like see him put a corner
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: on him. Now it's a little tougher if you don't
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: have Christian Gonzalez. I think either way, Carlton Davis is
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: the guy just a little more physical, little more play strength,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: probably the guy you want on a on a tight
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: end guy. I've compared him to a keep to leave
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: and this is what they used to do with the
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: keep to leave back in the day. Put him on
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham, put him on Tony Gonzalez and have him
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: kind of try to wipe him out of the game.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Then the question, if you have Gonzales, it's easy to
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: me because it's it's Gonzalez Undra Kobe Myers, it's Carlton
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Davis on Brock Bowers. I know Dante Thornton's kind of
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: had a nice camp for them, But between Alex Austin,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones, DJ James, I think if they beat you,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: throw in a Dante Thornton.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: Dante Thoron is We've been there with.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Your cap to Gino Smith and Dante.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Thornton is a training camp star, like he's the guy
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: that he's he's dayk metcalf in training camp. Let's see
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: what it looks like when.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: It right now, if they beat the Patriots throwing at
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Dante Thorton, you tip your cap and you move on right.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: But you know, if they don't have Gonzales, Kobe Myers
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: can get you. Like Jkobe Myers, you do have to
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: have a plan for two. Bowers is still the number
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: one option. But is it now? Do you want Davis
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: on Myers? Do you trust you know? Marcus Jones? There's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit of seize mismatch there, Alex Austen, Where
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: is it? Do you trust him on Myers for a
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: full game? It gets a little more complicated. I'd still
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: probably try that and maybe bracket Myers and you just
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: hope Carlton Davis takes care of business against Brock Bowers.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: But it's there's more ifs in that plan. So I
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: think with Gonzalez it's clear cut. Without Gonzalez a little
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: less so, but they still should be okay.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: So I normally I would say double Bowers and put
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: your best corner on Myers, Like that's normally the approach
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: that I would probably take.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Which again, if you have Christian Zalez, I think that's
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: exactly what you do, right.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, specifically to Carlton Davis, I
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: guess more so the Raiders just don't have outside receivers
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: that scare me. I'm gonna have to see it from
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: Dante Thorton. Like Dante Thorton, I know he's at a
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: good camp. Like I just said to me, he's the
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: exact type of player that would have a good training.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: Just real quick to reset their wide receiver room. Jack
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Betch a rookie who's a big slot, Amari Cooper who
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: signed what last week? Yeah, Jacobe Myers, Dante Thorton, and
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: they do have Trey Tucker who has some speech.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: So to me, their receiving corp is gonna be Thornton,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Myers and Tucker. I think those three guys are gonna
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: play just.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: A second round pick.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: I know, but I don't know where. I haven't heard
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: anything about Jack Betch and training camp.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Do you think they do that Patriots thing where they
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: just use essentially two slot guys and then it's Thornton
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: and Tucker on the outside.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: Tucker to me is more of like a Pop Douglas.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: He's more of like a speed slot. So Tucker, I
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: think is obvious. Marcus Jones can take Tucker. That's fine.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: Dante Thorton, I'm putting Alex Austin or DJ James out there,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: probably Alex Austin and just living with it.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: I would even if Tucker's not on the field, I
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: could even put Marcus Jones on Thornton. I know Thornton
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: is the hype, but Marcus Jones is worried about the hype.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: But Marcus Jones is the foot speed to stay with him.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: And is he somebody you really think is going to
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: go out there? Marcus Jones is physical. Is Thornton gonna
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: go out there and moss people? Yes?
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: I think that's what he was doing in the preseason
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: winning at the catch point. I would put Alex Austen
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: on Thornton and then ideally you have Gonzo to cover
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: Jacobe Myers. Now, if Gonzo isn't there, then this whole
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: thing does get complicated, right, And this is where Gonzo's impact.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: It's not necessarily that I think that they have like
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: a Jamar Chase level receiver that not having Gonzo for
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: is going to be problematic. It's just the trickle down
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: effect of if you want to use a corner on
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: brock Bauers, now you have to put Alex Austen on
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: Myers because he's the better player. So now you are
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: getting into a situation where Marcus Jones at DJ James
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: somebody like that is playing first of all a high
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: volume of outside cornerback snaps, but is also playing against
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: a guy like Dante Thornton that who does have size
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: and speed. So that's where it gets a little bit tricky.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: But I'm with you. If Gino Smith beats you throwing
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: bombs to Dante Thorton, then you kind of tip the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: cap and that's you live with that. So I think
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: Brot Bauers might be to the level already where it's
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: Carlon Davis and help. Like, I think you need to
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: have two eyes or two sets of eyes on Bowers
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: on third down. I don't think even Carlon Davis, who
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: is a good player, and I have confidence in Carlton Davis,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: I don't even think that is just enough. Like this
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: guy is Bowers is a unique talent. He's an lead
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: elite player. So I think you on third down, especially,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to have two sets of eyes on
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: Bratt Bauers, even if it is a corner that's covering him.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: So I would say that if it's no gonzo, Yeah,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Davis with safety help on Bratt Bawers in the middle
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: of the field, Alex Ausen on Jacobe Myers, and then
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: whoever the third receiver is is matchup based here, it's
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: DJ James maybe for a little bit more sizing though
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: he's not a big dude necessarily, but maybe a little
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: bit more size than Marcus Jones on Dante Thornton, or
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: it's just Marcus Jones on Tucker or Thornton. I think
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: Tucker is gonna play a lot on third down. He's
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: a sense He's a Pop Douglas type. He's a slot
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: speed slot, good separator, good field stretcher from the slot.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: I would definitely think he would play a lot. I'm
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: interested to see what they do with Bowers. It's a
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: first real example that we're gonna have of how game
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: plan oriented are they gonna be? How are are they
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: a bracket team?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Are they gonna bracket guys? Are they gonna put two
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: true double teams on him? Based off they're a Tennessee
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: tape they have, They definitely have bracket calls within their coverage.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: I watched a little bit of them against the Dolphins
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: just to get ahead for next week. And they were
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: doubling Wattle and Hill in that matchup in twenty twenty three.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: So they definitely have those bracket calls that Belichick would have,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: you know, a cone bracket where you're inside out or
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: over under bracket where there's a safety over the top
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: and a corner underneath. And then you'll have you know,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: Cover seven, which is really a split safety coverage, but
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: the safeties are bracketing instead of playing zone. They're bracketing
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: receivers instead. So that's a Saban terminology that goes around
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: a lot. So you have that ability with Bowers. Now
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: you don't need to double Jacobe Myers. I don't think
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: I like Jacoby great player. I don't think he's double category.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: I think not with the corner talent that they have.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree to Patty's second question. My guess
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: is is that we're going to see the Patriots come
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: out in heavy personnel on offense and try to establish
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. That's just that's a season long thing,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: like they're going to want to be the more physical
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: team for seventeen straight games. So I think dominating or
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: trying to establish and win the line of scrimmage as
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: much as that kind of stuff gets my my nerd senses,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: you know, all out of whack that that, to me
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: is going to be just there.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: You're going to have to establish the run.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, it's just how they want to play. It's how
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: Mike Raba wants to play, and it's not about oh,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: are they gonna be you know, Derrick Henry Titan's era,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: and they're just gonna run the ball And no, I
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: think they're still going to pass the ball and be
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: aggressive throwing the football. But I definitely think that from
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: a just setting a tone standpoint, I do think that
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: they're gonna come out in the opening drive with Jack
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: Westover in the backfield as a lead full back, and
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: they're gonna want to run it down Vegas' throats. Running
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: the football is also a nice way, even though he's
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: a really good run player as well, when you run
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: it at pass rushers, they don't like it so much. Right,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: So if you can throw a bunch of different angles
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: at Max Crosby, you know, pull at him, lead the
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: full back at him, wham him, I do a bunch
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: of different pitches, so I change up your pitches of
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: how you're attacking him. You can start to get him
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: on his heels a little bit and start forcing him
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: to think and process the game and often can slow
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: down how good he is as a pass rusher. And
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: if he's getting ear hold and he's getting guards are
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: pulling towards him and he's got to hold up like that,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: he doesn't want to do that. He wants to fly
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: up the field and get the ball right, That's what
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: Max Crosby wants to do. So if you can come
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: out and you can frankly punch him in the mouth
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: a little bit, that often helps with a lot of
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: these pass rushers. Now, Crosby is a different animal. He's
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: a great player against the run and the pass. So
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: this isn't necessarily one of those guys. It's like a
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: finesse player that can be taken out of the game
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: that way. But I still think it can be an advantage.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: So I expect both those things to happen. Let's take Garrett,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: is that po Florida fl what's up, Garrett? Garrett? All right, Garrett,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: call us back. We had to do on hold for
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: a little bit. Let's get to Ben and Philly. What's
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: up Ben?
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 8: Hey, Yeah, I just had a question about how you
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 8: feel Mike Frable handles media differently than in the past.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 8: So with the Forgit in Foxborough series, it just seems
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 8: like there's a high level of media access that we
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 8: get to see as fans, which is great. How do
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 8: you guys think that's going to impact the team and
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 8: will just continue going forward?
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, thanks for the call. So to be clear,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: fortune of Foxborough is being produced in house, so maybe
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: this is a little bit but inside baseball. But yeah,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: not to like say Ben was wrong, but I wouldn't
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: consider that media right.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's different than like the Beat reporters. That's yes, like, yeah,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: that's a Patriots production.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: Correct, it's a Craft sports production. That's an internal thing. Now,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: I will give Mike Frabel. I will thank Mike Frabel
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: for last couple of practices that we got to see.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: Those were not required practices to be open to the media,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: and he allowed the media as a whole, Beat writers
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: everybody to watch two more additional practices when they got
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: back from New York from the final preseason game. So
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: we got maybe a little a few more practices than
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: we would normally get from Mike Vrabel from a training
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: camp standpoint, But I would say it's pretty consistent, like
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: this is all stuff and it's it's guidelines. It's not
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: necessarily required, but this is all stuff that the Pro
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Football Writers Association in the league have an agreement on
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: of like how much access we're going to get in
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: terms of media availability, press conferences, practice availability. Like a
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: lot of this stuff is already kind of outlined ahead
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: of time of how that's all going to work. And
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: then with Forge, we'll see you stay tuned on Forge.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: Have you watched episode three yet?
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: I've watched like half of it. I need to catch
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: up on it. This was my drop right before college
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: football Saturday, so it's like.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: This is that this is my favorite episode of the three,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: not that I thought any all of them were great,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: but this episode in particular I really enjoyed because this
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: is this is the best time for the behind the
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: scenes access with training camp, where you have of the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: Afton Chisholm storyline and the Elijah Ponders storylines, of the
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: undrafted guys trying to make the team. We have the
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: team coming together. You have practiced footage, live practice footage,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: my frable, you know, jumping into the pile like you
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: have all these different things, whereas once we get into
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: the season, it becomes a little bit more formulaic and
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: there's not those underdog stories necessarily. And this is why
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: hard Docks is great is because of this time of
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: year in training camp. So I felt the same way
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: about Forge. So Forge three is out now, stay tuned
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: about Forged four and beyond. That's a way above my
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: pay grade to make those decisions of when these things happen.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: So we'll see about that. But that's let's talk a
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: little college football. Le's talk a little college football. Always,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: we have a college football question, and this is something
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: that I've been wondering Alex, and I know what I
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: think your answer is going to be, but I'm curious.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: So this is from Aiden in California, and he said
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: he loves the show, Thanks Sadan, And he was watching
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: some college football this past weekend. So was I. I
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: watched a decent amount of college football.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Did you enjoy it?
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: I somewhat enjoyed it.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah you did.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: No, I have some gripes, but it's fine. I think
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: that just quickly get this off my chest. College quarterbacks
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: drive me crazy. The next college quarterback to recognize that
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: the slot is blitzing it will be the first like
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: how it can't be.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: This part what makes it fun. It's chaotic. I'm telling
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: you this hard.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: You're hot to the field, bro, You're hot, like throw
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: the ball.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: So I think that's part of what makes it fun.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: It's like because you can see it and they can't.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: You don't enjoy that.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: A lot of good.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: That's bad football.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: The So I think this year's class as a whole
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: is kind of overrated. There's some guys I like, but
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: I think people are too high on it. The next
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: couple of classes, so you're going to have next year
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: is DJ Lagway next year, I'm trying to remember who
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: else is in it, like arch Manning. We saw arch
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Manning on Sunday. This is my point, DJ Lagway Julian
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: saying the kid from TCU is probably going to stay
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: another year. Hooever, he was good. And then I'll say
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: that some of the true freshmen. So first of all,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: Bryce under I don't know, you probably didn't watch any
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: of Michigan. They were playing New Mexico, and granted it
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: was against New Mexico. Bryce Underwood looked and look, he's
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: a number one back recruit in the country. He should
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: look really good. He looks unbelievable. Also, Maryland has a
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: true freshman quarterback in the Lakue Washington was kind of nice. Again,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: it was against a lesser opponent. But this year's quarterback
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: class is fine. It's definitely better than last year. I
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: think more guys are going to fall than rise as
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: we go through the process the next two years. I'm
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: very excited for last year's true freshman and then this
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: year's true freshman. I think is a strong class.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: I was overall pretty disappointed by what I saw from
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: this quarterback class because I do think there is some
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: hype around this quarterback.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: There is, and look, I think club Nick is another
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: guy that's maybe even propped up by the system and
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: Clemson my ten years ago Garret or fifte years ago
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: Garrett Usmiers a first round pick. Now, I wonder if
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: maybe his athleticism puts a ceiling on things. But there's
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: individual traits there, you like. I don't know that he's
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: ultimately going to prove.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: He seemed to have to be that first round profile
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: from a reading the defense like pre snat right, but
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: that only takes you so.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: Far as right. Now, Feranana Mendoza didn't really play anybody,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Sam Levinton, Planny Boy, Jordan Tyson though goes for one
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven yards. Been telling you about story.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: It was against Northern Arizona, So we'll wait and see.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: The one guy I came away really impressed with from
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: this upcoming class was Leonora Sellers. Took him a little
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: bit to get going in that game, but once he
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: got going fourth quarter, once he and that's not uncommon
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: for week one in college and the NFL, So we'll
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: see again. He's got to do more. But a lot
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: of these guys just kind of trudged along all game.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: His ability to adjust within the game I thought was impressive,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: and he was the one guy I thought more us
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: lived up to expectations.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: So to go back to the email or the question
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: here from Aiden is about Caleb Downs. So who I
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: know is one of your favorite players in college?
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to know what you thought watching Caleb
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Down That's what I'm curious about.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: I have to admit I think Caleb Downs is a
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: great player. I mean you could see it all on
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: the tape last year, you know, from their national championship run.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: Those that don't know he's a safety Ohio State. Caleb
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: Downs some people I don't necessarily see, Like, I don't
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: know exactly who I would compare him to yet.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: So did you see Tom you so hot?
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: Take? I don't. I don't see Ed re.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: Stylistically, he's not the same guy, but he plays a
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: weird comp But just to throw that out there, he.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: Plays way more closer to the line of scrimmage than
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: Ed Reid did.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: He's he's kind of everywhere.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So the question from Aiden is would Caleb Downs
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: be a possible pick for the Patriots next year? On
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: just to like keep it one hundred, Caleb Downs might
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: be the best non quarterback player in the entire draft.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: He might be the best player in the entire draft.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: Sure, best player in the entire draft. But taking the
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: he's not going to go number one overall, They're not.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: They're not taking a safety number one.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Over probably not. If one was going to go number one,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: he's the profile, but probably not.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: You're right, he's not going to So the two questions
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: with Caleb Downs. I know that this is kind of annoying,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: but it is what it is, the fact that he's
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: a safety is going to come into play the positional
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: value of drafting a safety in the top five or
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: the top ten is going to come into play. It
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: just doesn't happen very often, and Caleb Downs being an
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: exceptional player might just be the the exception to that.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: It reminds me a little bit of Kyle Hamilton coming out. Now,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: Kyle Hamilton bombed the combine right a bad workout and
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: not pushed him down the board. But I don't think
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: it's totally out of the realm of possibility that because
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: he plays safety, because you're going to have potentially three
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: or four quarterbacks that are going to go early. Although
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: he played poorly, I think Caden Proctor and Spencer Finell
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: are still going to go pretty early at tackle. And
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: then you also have Peter Woods who and the Clemson
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: defensers who are more pass rusher.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: And did you watch any of Miami Notre Dames a
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: little bit? Number four on defense for Miami Rubin Bain, Yeah,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: so all those guys.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: He's our premium position players, So is it I don't
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: think it's totally crazy to say that if the Patriots
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: have a better but not great season, Let's say they
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: win six to eight games, and they're picking in the
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: early teams of the draft, Caleb Downs. I don't think
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: it's totally out of the realm of possibility that Caleb
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: Downs could be on the board for them.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: And he'd be a great fit for this defense. I'll
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: just say this. Hamilton went fourteenth. Kyle Hamilton was obviously
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: a great safety prospect. Yes, Caleb Downs is better Caleb Downs.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: I think he is in another tier.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: And I think I don't think Caleb Downs is going
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: to have athletic testing issues. But that's what put Kyle Hamilton.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: So there's there's two guys in this draft. The other
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: thing I think, and I don't know if it's going
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: to help hurt Caleb Downs. You're getting much more. And
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: this is we hear this all the time. The college
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: game is ten years ahead of the NFL. The innovations
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: that we're seeing in college usually get to the NFL
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: a decade later. That's why guys like Tamon Austin and
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: the guy from Florida. Why am I branking up blanking
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: on his name? Darius Tony no earlier Florida. Yeah, the
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: speedster Jeff Demps, No same team he played Percy Arvin,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: Oh Percy. That's why these guys like didn't hit in
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: the NFL. You put Percy Harvin in the NFL. Now
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: he's a stud, but teams just didn't know how to
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: use that guy.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: Yet.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: You're seeing a lot more positionless football in college right
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: now defensively, and Caleb Downs is a safety, but he's
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: also not just a safety. He can play linebacker. He
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: can play slot corner. And it's not like, Okay, a
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: safety who can He's not like a box safety who
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: you calling a linebacker because he's lining up in the box.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: He can play linebacker, can rush the passer, he can
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: fit the run. Another guy I look at and I
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: got some questions about him on Twitter this weekend. I'm
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: a big fan is Harold Perkins. So if you watch
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: at LSU game number seven on defense, where he's listed
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: as a linebacker, he kind of plays more like a
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: safety and he has some coverage responsibilities. You know, he'll
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: rush the pass or he does a little bit of everything.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: And our NFL team's ready for that guy. Yet that
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: you don't really have a position, you can kind of
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: do everything. It's either you create a role in the
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: defense for that guy that's hard to match up with,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: or you use him as a matchup player differently week
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: to week. I don't think Caleb Down's role is going
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: to be the same next week, and I don't think
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: it'll be the same the week after that. I think
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia's gonna kind of use him as a fixer
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: as a stopper, depending on what the other team does well.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Harold Perkins is more of a true linebacker, but I
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: think you'll see some of the same with him. You'll
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: see him in coverage more some weeks, you see him
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: rushing the pass or more some weeks. There have been
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: some Micah Parsons ish comps with him. Now he's coming
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: off with torn acls, so he's got to show the
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: leticism can stay up. At the point being like, I
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: wonder if Caleb Downs he might fall because of the
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: positional value. He might just be so good that if
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: you get the right defensive coordinator looking at it and saying,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: this guy can do everything I want him to do,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: that kind of nullifies it because that's the way college
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: teams are using their best players right now. Some of
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: the best defensive players in college football, they don't have
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: a position. They just kind of do whatever's asked of them,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: and that's coming to the NFL. Maybe not this year,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: maybe not with this class, but it's coming in this class.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: Between Downs and Perkins would be a good place to start.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: So Caleb Downs, I want to say that I think
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: the Patriots are going to be better, and I hope
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: the Patriots are going to be too good to draft
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: Caleb Downs. But when you cut Jabrill Peppers and definitely
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: seems like Kyle Duggar is not part of the long
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: term plans here with the Patriots and Mike Rabel. If
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: the Patriots have a better but not great season, like
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: I said earlier, and they only win seven or eight
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: games and they're picking in the early teams, I think
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: Caleb Downs would be a slam dunk like home run
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: type of fit for them to fill safety and have
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: an impact safety like Caleb.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Downs is a I don't care what your needs are.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: Your needs are run up the card, pick them play
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: so the But.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: It also it's going to be in need, like it
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: is gonna be a need.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: But I don't, I don't.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: I know people people have gotten a combination of people.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Have gotten on this show, maybe me in particular for
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: harping on the need part of the draft too much.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: If Caleb Downs is realistically and play for the Patriots,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: that you're not going to hear that take from the
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: show to site clip it if you want. I'd be
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: very surprised if I change course on that unless he
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: gets hurt. H Derwin James Buddha Baker might be two
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: comps for Caleb Down, but there is there isn't really
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: a player in the NFL better than Dwin, but not
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Durwin's you know, thick as Darwin.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: All right, well guy, we'll work on that. Let's get
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: back to the phones. Mark is in Connecticut. What's up, Mark?
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: What's going on?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 10: My brother? They the Oh, Pepper's totally shocked at that.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 10: I mean, just a veteran presence in the room at
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 10: that in a again, a Mike Vrabel kind of guy
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 10: I always thought, so I'm shocked at that. I'm also
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 10: shocked at the Stefan Diggs that he's not a captain
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 10: because I was there a lot of training camp and
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 10: the guy's a vocal leader. Seems like he's going to
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 10: be a good fit for the wide receivers for the youngins.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 10: And then my last thing is, uh number eighty seven, Now,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 10: who's gonna wear number eighty seven if Jack Westover is
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 10: now taking over thirteen Crons number.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the call mark number eighty seven. Maybe nobody,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know, just throwing it.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: Out there, say he's going to retire. By the way,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Durwin six fifteen, Caleb Down six foot two o five
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: So not Durren's bigger, Durwin's taller, but ten pounds two
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: inches like that's that's a lot of size, all right,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: that matters. If he didn't know, Downs might be bulky er.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, more compact, more compact. Yeah, muscle hamster.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: Sam is in Virginia. What's up?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 6: Sam?
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: Hey you guys, can you hear me?
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, great, appreciate you taking my call. So just two
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 9: quick questions on the old line. So it looks like
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 9: Jared Wilson's going to start the year at left sward
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 9: is the McDaniel's offense, which is generally the more valuable
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 9: air for important position left guard or center. I just
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 9: want to better understand his long term value. And second
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 9: is about Josh Simmons. It looks like he's going to
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 9: start week one for the Chiefs, knowing in the pre
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 9: draft process he was considered maybe the top left tackle prospect,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 9: do you think, knowing what we know now, that the
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 9: Patriots might have considered him over Campbell or ranked him
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 9: over Campbell if they knew he'd be healthy for Week one.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 9: I'm curious about that, but appreciate you taking my call.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 9: Take it off line.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: Hey, thanks Sam.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, but you didn't know. I mean, yeah,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: hindsight's fifty to fifty. Is that twenty it's twenty twenty. Yeah,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: hindsight's twenty twenty. No, I you don't think with the
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Raiders knowing what they know now, go back and draft
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  Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson over JaMarcus But.
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  Speaker 3: Like, don't, Yeah, I know, don't pick on the caller
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  Speaker 3: too much.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not picking on the call. But I've seen this
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  Speaker 1: a few times.
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  Speaker 3: It's a question that we knew was coming, Alex, like
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  Speaker 3: you and I have been steadfast on this about Josh
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  Speaker 3: Simmons during the draft process, that we would not have
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: taken the risk on Josh Simmons. And if Josh Simmons
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: goes on and is a franchise tackle for the Chiefs,
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  Speaker 3: we'll never live it down. But that's the business one.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't know and you couldn't know you looked at
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  Speaker 1: the medicals. I don't think the Patriots were the only
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: team that were afraid of the medicals. Because he fell
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: all the way to thirty sevens.
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  Speaker 3: There was no way they were drafting Josh Simmons at
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: four over. I also much different conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. People say, well, you know he was
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  Speaker 1: the top rank tackle on the Patriot where was he
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: the top Will Campbell's top rank tackle everywhere?
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  Speaker 3: But he was probably considered the best pass protector left
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  Speaker 3: tackle in the draft, like the pure blind side protector thing.
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  Speaker 3: But my whole thing with Josh Simmons was not just
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  Speaker 3: the injury. It was also the fact that he had
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  Speaker 3: such a small sample size of really good performance. His
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  Speaker 3: tape from twenty three from to twenty four improved significantly
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: over that time, and he really only did it against
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: Scrubs in twenty twenty four because he got hurt halfway
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  Speaker 3: through the Oregon game and didn't play the rest of
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: the season, so you never actually saw him against NFL
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  Speaker 3: caliber competition. He dominated Michigan State and like that level
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: of competition, but how is he going to look in
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: a full game against Oregon and the college Football Playoff
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  Speaker 3: like those types of matchups you never would have known.
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  Speaker 3: And as a team like the Patriots, that the most
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  Speaker 3: important thing for the Patriots right now when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to drafting is getting on base, like they need to
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: hit on these picks. And there's just a lot of
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: inherent risk that was coming with Josh Simmons both was
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: it going to translate and was it? Was it actually
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  Speaker 3: real what we saw at the beginning before he got
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  Speaker 3: hurt and injury history, that they are just not in
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  Speaker 3: a position to take risks on players like that. The
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  Speaker 3: Kansas City Chiefs are exactly in the position to take a.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we talked that Patriots took. My comp for him was,
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  Speaker 1: who is the defensive lineman from Florida? Why can't I
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: do names today? The defensive tackle who had the torn
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: a cl from Florida?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Dominique Easley.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do because the Patriots could take that risk.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: Dominique Easley was a top ten talent who had bad
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: knees and the didn't know if he'd stay healthy. And
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: just one more thing, he made it to Week one
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: knowing he'd be healthy. Do you think they would have
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: drafted him? Not for over It's also it's not like
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: these are mostly non contact practices. He now has to
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: stay healthy over the course of this season and the next.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: And then like there was too much risk. There was
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: too much risk with that injury. Yeah, there's way too
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: much risk with that injury.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: Injury and performance and the and would go hand in hand. Yeah,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: but like it just didn't make sense for this team.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: The Eagles, the the Chiefs, the Bills, the Lions, like
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: those are teams that can take on those kinds of risks.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: The Patriots are just not in that spot. It's not
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: exactly uh apples to apples, but it's not that different
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: than being in on Micah Parsons right, Like, it's just
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: they're just not ready for that type of stuff yet.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: If they're good, yeah, and they get into the second
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: round next year, and they won ten games this year
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: and you want to talk me into them drafting a
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: guy that has an injury history, then okay, then that's
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: a different conversation. Dominique Easley, right, Sony Michelle, like those guys, like,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: that's a different conversation To the first point, what was
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: his first question?
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: What's more important in the McDaniels offense, left guard or center?
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: I would probably say left guard because the quarterback handles
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: so much of the pre snap responsibilities that's typically on
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: the center in a offense. I just think guard is
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: inherently more valuable than center to begin with, because you
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: have a lot more one on one pass protection opportunities
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: versus that center, But even more so in a scheme
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: like this where the quarterback is the one calling the
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: protections and not the center, I think it even devalues
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: the center, maybe even a little bit more than what
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: it would in other systems. Sorry, David Andrews, don't any
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: disrespect to him or any guys that have played center here.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: That's just how I personally feel about it. But I
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: could see Jared Wilson being good either spot, And we'll see.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: Before we wrap up with the show here, Alex, I
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: do want to give kind of a couple more takes
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: on this game. On Sunday, there's a game that the
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: Patriots are playing. We normally do key matchups. I don't
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: know if we have time to do all the key
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: we did one with and Crosby we kind of covered
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: that as well. But what's just your general feelings going
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: into this game? Because for me, I think the more,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: the most fascinating aspect of this game is coaching for
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: both teams. It's two brand new coaching staffs, Pete Carroll,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: two overall rosters. Chip Kelly has not coached at this
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: level in a decade, so we have really no idea.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: We could obviously go back and watch Ohio State, but
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: it's just really not the same thing at all. So
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: we have no real idea exactly of what an NFL
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: offense for Chip Kelly looks like the modern times here.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: It's not gonna be Oregon in Philadelphia. I can tell
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: you that it's gonna be different. It's probably gonna be
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: less pace and slow down a little bit more. But
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: I think this game is gonna be one and loss.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: And this is why I gave a slight edge to
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: the Patriots by in game adjustments, which once the game
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: declares and both sides and both sidelines sort of get
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: a feel for how the new staffs are coaching it
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: and how their base, you know, schemes and all that
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: good stuff. Once they have a good feel for that,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: who blinks first right, who has the ability to adjust,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: who has the ability to attack weaknesses, and all that
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: good stuff, I think is ultimately going to decide this game,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: and I just have a little bit more faith from
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: that standpoint. And Vrabel and McDaniels because I've seen them
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: do it before and I think they're two of the
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: best at it on their respective sides of the ball.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: Whereas Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, I think those guys are
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: kind of do what you do sort of coaches, like.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: They have their systems, they have their schemes, especially Carol
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: on defense. I don't view him as like a game
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: plan coach very much. So this is a really big
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: Week ones always an unknown, it's always a mystery box
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: of what exactly you're going to get. But what these
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: rosters being so different from the past, these coaching staffs
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: are completely new. This is the uh, this is Week
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: one on steroids, Like this is a complete mystery box
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: of what exactly that they're going to get. I have
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: faith in McDaniels, especially that he's going to be able
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: to adjust, though.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's probably gonna be messy. It's probably gonna
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: be sloppy in Week one is the most unpredictable game
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: of the season. I think that the Raiders are probably
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: going to come right out and look I'm not saying
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: they won't throw to Bowers. But if I'm the Raiders,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: I look at the Patriots up front, I test it,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: and you know, you just use the top ten pick
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: on a running back. Oh, they're going to run the
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: I make them stop the run before I go to
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: anything else. That's what I do if I'm the Raiders.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: So I think we're going to see a good amount
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: of ash and genty early. I think how the Patriots
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: handle that dictate the rest of the game. On the
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: other side of the ball, Like you said earlier, I
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: think we see the Patriots try to establish the run.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: I think they ease Drake May into it. I think
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: they get him a couple of those layups before they
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: maybe start taking some shots down the field. I also
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: want to be surprised as they feature digs early and
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: get digs in rhythm. And you hear guys talk about
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: coming off a torn acl or any major injury, really
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: any significant missed amount of time, just how much it
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: helps to get into the rhythm right away and get
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: the ball right away, and get hit a couple times
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: right away, and just shake the cobwebs off and get
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: back in that familiar mindset, so you know, runs early
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: quick stuff to Diggs. I would love to see some RPOs.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: You can mix the tulos in together. We'll see how
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: much we see that. One other thing I wonder about McDaniels,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: I'm curious your thoughts on this. So just looking at
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: some of the colleges he visited last year, and we
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: ultimately don't know how much he took from everybody. But
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: one thing you're seeing more in college football now. That
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: is another thing I think is coming to the NFL
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: at some point when I think this is probably less
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: impactful in the NFL than it is in college because
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: the players are smarter. But well, you see college teams
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: do now it's not hurry up in the sense that
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: get to line, snap the ball quick, but teams will
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: no huddle. But then you get to the line and
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: you kind of all right, you make your checks, you
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: call to play at the line, so you still have
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: the signs on the sideline, right, Well, you're not gonna
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: have that in the NFL, but or college really in yeah,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: they don't really have that anymorecause the headsets. But the
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: idea is like you don't just the headsets, you don't
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: huddle Yeah, so that the defense can't huddle and it
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: makes it harder for them to substitute or whatever. But
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: you're not rushing, You're still snapping the ball fifteen twenty
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: seconds left on the play clock. Drake May did some
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: of that at North Carolina. Yeah, and I feel like
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: with the offense they have and to help kind of
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: Drake May stay ahead of things and simplify things. You
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: force the defense to kind of declare a look and
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: stay in it. I wonder if we see some of
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: that from McDaniels, if not in this game, at some
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: point this season.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm most looking forward to seeing from McDaniels
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: is he's so good at getting you trapped in personnel
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: on field that they like matchups against you. So like
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: let's say they put like three safety nickel out there,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: and so Jeremy Chin is covering Pop Douglas in the slot.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: What McDaniels will do is he'll go hurry up, he'll
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: go no huddle, and he won't allow you to substitute
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: because they just love the personnel that you have on
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: the field. And then the other things that he likes
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: to do is win with formations, like we're gonna put
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: a running back out wide, We're gonna put a full
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: back out wide, right, and we're able to figure out
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: man's own and then also find those matchups in the
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: middle of the field. So it's an exciting all around
• 1:55:31
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• 1:55:33
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