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Talks to the magician Frazer Gregory about his choice of The Time of the Doctor · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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  commentary podcast that always changes all different people and
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  that's good. But, you know, what Fraser, I
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  will never forget who I used to be.
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  When I talk to, you know, I don't know.
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  The quote, you know, from the end of this, we'll come to it.
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  Okay. It's a nice way of titled
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  though. Oh, it's beautiful.
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  So it's constrains talking about the episode Without talking
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  about webisode is, well, everyone knows by now doing
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  that. Yes, indeed don't say to you
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  right now that the only reason I'm going back and watching this
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  twice in one week because I've been doing the randomizer lately
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  and it's a cruel beast and it gave me time of the doctor and
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  the long game in succession. Yeah, that's an interesting
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  random choice, but then it gave me the doctor's wife and I was
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  very happy. Yes.
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  So out of those three, we are for those who might not have
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  watched listen and pay attention to what the clicking on.
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  We are talking about Time of the Doctor of come full circle,
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  Taxidermy. Yeah, we talked about the 11th
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  Hour All of course I just know what I had not made that link.
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  We've gone from the beginning to the end.
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  Where have we started? Matt Smith's era and we are now
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  going to wrap it up with the time of the doctor.
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  Now, this was your choice, you choose this one.
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  Yes. Well, because one I wanted to do
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  more Matt Smith episodes because it is a truth universally
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  acknowledged that there was a big black hole in the hamster
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  schedules and that is the majority of Matt Smith's
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  episodes and a lot of Peter Capaldi that So, the mafia and
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  secondly is because I know that you quite like this one and you
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  are very seductively persuasive, man.
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  And so, I thought having a conversation with you about this
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  one, you bring typically smart and do your dominators magic
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  with me klaxon. And by the end of this, I'll
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  love it. You got some work cut out for
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  you that I'll tell ya. Yes.
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  You're not a fan of this one or you know, No.
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  No. So, for the benefit of those
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  Daft people out there that haven't listened to your other
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  podcast on Doctor, Who the name on to be bruised.
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  Oh, yes, we do nothing. The dominators episode.
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  That's particularly good. That's a good one.
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  Yeah, I think you had a quite good guest on that one and but
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  you also did the trial of Steven Moffat oi5, our epic across two
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  episodes. Did you get through all that?
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  I'll go through all that. Yeah.
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  God bless you, where your lovely co-host, Jack was defending,
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  Steven Moffat and you were Prosecuting and you introduced a
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  bit of evidence which was basically the whole basis of
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  your case was based around one particular story and you said
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  this story because got all the things I am going to dislike
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  about Steven Moffat and he's waiting and he Sera.
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  And this is just going to be You know, build my case around this
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  one story. What was the soldiers?
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  That Fraser? What was it?
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  What was it? Ho, ho.
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  Are you marking time with the doctor?
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  It was during the doctor. Yeah.
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  Yes. When you say yes, and I still do
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  not disagree with that point. That this does have every
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  insulting Trope of the mafia era that I dislike all jammed into
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  one Chris, festive, special? Yeah.
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  So that's going to be interesting to talk about Mmm,
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  or we never done a Christmas special before, have we not
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  know. So, I've got a double whammy
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  question for you. But one, where does this fall in
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  your new series? Regeneration episodes, sort of
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  ranked wise and to, where does this fall when your Christmas
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  special ranking? Whoo, wait, we'll start with
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  Christmas because that's possibly a little bit easier to
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  probably middle middle of the stack of the sky.
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  I've just listened to you in Jack discussing the husbands of
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  River Song. Hmm and you made a very good
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  point now which very one percent agree with in that which is that
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  the Steven Moffat Christmas specials are better than the
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  Russell. T Davies Christmas specials
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  because Steven Moffat Christmas specials, are Christmas.
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  Yeah specials. Where was Rusty's our specials.
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  That just so happened to be set at Christmas.
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  Elements. But they are key Embraces
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  Christmas for, for good or for ill for good last Christmas for
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  ill. You know what?
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  Yes, the Widow and the Wardrobe. We'll get there, we'll get
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  there. Yes, so, and for me, obviously,
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  doctor the Widow and the Wardrobe is top of the pale for
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  that followed by husband. What is your favorite Christmas
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  special? Yeah.
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  What was in the water? Yeah, I was for you a bit
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  strange but also we are working on this.
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  Ville. It's just it is a proper
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  Christmas special though. It's you know, when you when you
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  talk about like a Christmas special, if you go back to like
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  when you were growing up and Christmas specials were proper
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  thing, you know, even before they had at Morecambe and wise
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  Christmas special, it was a sure what it was special.
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  There was some expression about things like Only Fools and
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  Horses it will be like special so we take the truck doesn't
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  like take that in Miami or something like that it would be
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  like the same sure but special something special about it and I
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  think Dr. Widow and the Wardrobe fits that bill really well
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  because it's, you know, it's the doctor with without Rory, and
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  Amy, or a company, or one of the noble companions.
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  I well, that's a relief. Yeah, stop it.
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  And put into, you know, a Christmassy situation and, you
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  know, the story happens. And it's it's just a little bit
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  more specialist got on my favorite scenes in the whole of
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  Doctor Who in it. Always, well, I look forward to
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  doing that one with you because I really love that episode as
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  well. So I'm sure.
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  You'll bring a lots of positive thing.
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  Have you ever seen invasion of the dinosaurs?
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  Yes. If you seen that bit where the
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  doctor puts like 15 sugars in his tea and drinks it, that's
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  how I feel when I watch Doctor. We're done the Wardrobe.
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  You know, the my teeth are rotting.
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  How saccharin is anyway? So what about what Generations
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  Christmas you want chocolate? The Christmas you want sweets?
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  You want sugar plums, and they sent me time to piss are
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  genuinely fell asleep. When that was on, it's a first
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  time. The only time I've ever fallen
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  asleep in the Doctor Who episode I ought to know which one I fell
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  asleep. God having sex.
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  Nope. Is it Moffat?
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  All rusty Davis. It's Moffat.
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  Is that Moffat script? Oh, sleep.
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  No more. That's the one.
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  Ah, how do I really are you in here?
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  Yes. Yes.
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  I dropped off watching that one. Go on First Watch Every boring.
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  Well, what about in terms of regeneration stories of the new
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  series em, saw it either comes open.
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  As fibers and others. Five.
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  Don't know what power does. Another ways, right?
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  Partner ways, entertain type of the doctor twice upon a time and
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  probably the doctor. If I was going to rank them, I
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  would say How will the doctor number one by far the best I
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  wouldn't disagree? Oh no, wait.
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  Oh no. That's our say part of the
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  doctor's. Number one partner the ways on
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  the ways. Okay.
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  Suppose it up to number one and then comes Either end of time,
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  all Time of the Doctor. Wow, very very similar and
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  unusual opinion. Do you acknowledge that?
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  Yeah, that is an unusual opinion because up all that people
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  really Rea time with the doctor or the end of time.
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  I think I mean both of these are setting out to do something very
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  specific. So both End of Time and Time of
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  the Doctor are setting out to do some.
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  It really specific which is to see their doctor off.
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  I'm glad to see, you know how the doctor is doing that as
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  well. And close it a lot better in my
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  opinion, I think partner of the ways.
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  It's got a lot of issues. In terms of the plot, the script
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  I would Say, as a two-parter sort of like bad wolf and part
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  of the ways, I think the first sort of half an hour is what we
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  disposable. And I love it though.
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  And I think the last 10 minutes is just, you know, everything in
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  between don't get as long as solid gold and it's solid, you
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  have to be schooled, bad will Pile in a way that's in my top
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  20, dr. Crews are absolutely fucking a
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  door that so that's that's an interesting opposing view, ISO.
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  So, you don't even hired me doctor.
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  And what's next? And so part of the ways and Then
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  followed up with twice upon a time.
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  That's right at the bottom. Yep.
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  Yes. Bit.
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  But nothing in it, that one. I mean it's It's it's harmless,
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  it is in its but you can tell, it's just kind of like a bullet
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  on story at the end. It's you know that Peter
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  Capaldi's doctor should have went with the doctor falls.
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  That was the perfect opportunity for him and the plan as well.
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  Wasn't it? And yeah, yeah but then
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  obviously, Steven Moffat had to come up with another story.
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  So it's very much the sort of like appendix as it were to, to
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  the tail of this of the Twelfth Doctor.
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  And for all that, you know, one element of a Story shouldn't
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  distract you from everything else is really hard to get over
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  the characterization of the first dr.
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  Heiss out what you need is a jolly good smack bottom.
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  All right well you need to make that joke once and then just
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  drop it. You know the fact I think in
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  terms of misremembered back characterization that's probably
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  the most famous example. He was never an old-fashioned
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  grumpy old was he was so Charming as well.
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  And you are, there was For element 2 of them.
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  You see it in sort of like the center rates.
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  Where was very, I wanted to be very controlling over.
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  Susan, you know, you see it with the infamous Spock bottom Lane
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  in in sort of like the Dalek invasion of Earth.
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  So the was that element we Scout up but that wasn't his whole
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  character. What about the chase awful
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  noise. I could charm the birds from the
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  trees, you know? Yeah, you know things I got, you
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  know, things like these the how he is in the Romans and sort of
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  the space museum. That is that's a much better
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  sort of representation of how the first There was.
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  But Moffat seems just to be horning in on that one.
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  One element of his character, which is a, which is a misstep.
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  So, yeah, things just don't write quite come together in
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  that one for me, in the same way that the do win the other ones.
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  But before we try and dissect, this can I just briefly explain
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  why I dislike this so much You shock is willing to be done by a
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  certain time. Remember about you is because I
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  really don't like this everything but the kitchen sink
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  approach and it's too too late. Even a novel by Dave Stone.
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  Have you heard of it? I don't think I have driver the
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  new adventures and he wrote for the BBC books.
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  And I always used to say his books are too too because in
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  there too funny, too. Witty too, silly to everything's
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  taken to an absolute. Yeah, I feel like that's what
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  happens here and that Moffat approach of trying to distract
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  you, every like minute or so, with something new without
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  actually building a coherent story or if it is coherent, it
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  doesn't feel it because you're being dragged in 500 directions.
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  I feel like it reaches its nadir here and he's got so much he
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  wants to do because he's got a tie up Matt Smith because he
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  wants a fresh slate for Peter. D.
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  So he's literally got a tie up. A load of Arc elements, I would
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  say unsatisfactorily, but in the same breath that he wants to
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  tell an epic story. So, he froze in the Daleks and
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  the Cybermen and the angels and the sontarans.
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  And, and there's a shopping list goes on and on, and on, and the
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  cylons, and everybody. But he also wants to tell an
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  intimate story, so he's got the doctor on Christmas and that's
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  why he's doing that. But he also wants to tell a
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  comedy story. So he's got Clara popping in
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  trying to cook a Christmas dinner at the same time and it's
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  just for me, it's just too. March.
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  I'm just like any one of those stories would have been fine.
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  And Yea, that Rusty Davis idea and he didn't do either, because
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  the end of time is on self-indulgent mess as well.
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  I love in the time part 2, but it is self-indulgent.
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  That idea that he was originally going to have of telling a
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  really simple regeneration, story on a spaceship would just
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  look like a family. Yeah, I was like, that would be
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  so refreshing after all the these regeneration stories that
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  are bloated and arsenic, Ian, I'll get it into this.
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  I'm just exhausted. Oh, yeah.
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  That's the two types of regeneration.
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  Story isn't the? No, No, that we've had the, the
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  new series. There's, you know, the doctor
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  gets out of trouble every time. Every story, dr.
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  Getting in trouble doctor gets out of trouble until such time
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  as you don't want the doctor to get over trouble and you need a
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  new doctor. So that's when the doctor
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  doesn't get out of trouble. But when, you know, he falls off
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  the The radar or when he when you get enough but milk, but
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  one, you know, that's, that's the just like a normal story
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  which just so happens to have a regeneration.
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  At the end thing I'm thinking is like, look up, listen kids,
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  there's Bonnie or good kind of force, not a woman that ball.
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  You got the other one, which is the Epic sort of the doctor is
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  leaving. Now tank the doctor where they
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  are the whole story is kind of building up to this.
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  This moment at the end. So I think for this one that's
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  the story that Moffat wanted to tell, you know, he's interests.
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  That's the story not to the only stories only interested in, you
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  know, building the eleventh doctor up to a particular moment
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  where, you know, he dies the hero as your diet.
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  You can, we generate being the hero.
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  So I think that's the story that he's, he's trying to tell the
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  way you go about it, you know. Because he's got an hour to get
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  there. So the plot is very thin.
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  It is just literally the doctor in a village, you're trying to
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  get to that end. So, the elements that he throws
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  in the hole, Things with Daleks and Cybermen and silence.
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  And everything is just, it's, it's the gravy, really.
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  It sort of like meat potatoes is, you know, the doctor
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  sacrificed himself for the villagers or whatever.
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  But, you know, the gravy that we get to keep us going to.
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  That point is sort of the comedy bits with Clara and look fancy
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  bit up. We are going to discuss very
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  soon. People are promise what we will
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  we will price of what I'm going to do as well is because I've
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  Lost you to a point where I can't put this out, but we're
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  having some internet issues and it's my end and I think it's
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  because his uncle's downstairs. So, I'm going to get my phone
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  and hope my data to the computer because I think that's going to
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  give us a clearer signal. So give me just one second and
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  I've got one quick point and maybe we'll go in all right.
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  Why do this making a personal quite sparse painful?
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  Oh yes, Yes, actually, it's already, it's already there.
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  Oh man, I'm really enjoying this.
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  Okay, but the time, where am I Joe?
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  Joe? Joe, Joe.
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  Joe Joe's phone. No.
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  Lots of water, okay? There's a guy that's actually
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  already looks a bit sharper. That really looks them to.
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  Hey, I'm usually powered by them grow and I do these but oh, I
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  love them as you love, leave until he's at work.
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  I was gonna say, okay, okay. But and yeah, and I think that
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  is my problem is is he's has got a feeling our so if you go
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  through a lot of fluff I personally don't find it very
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  funny any of it and it's all quirks.
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  And you know me I don't like all these Eric works at what he does
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  old. I think he can be incredibly
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  focused and he's a genius writer and I said this and husbands are
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  in the summer when his area. He is.
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  King brilliant. He's a brilliant, brilliant
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  writer. And when he's self-indulgent,
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  it's just a bit of a mess and the biggest problem with Time of
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  the Doctor is it comes after Day of the Doctor, which is such a
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  beautifully honed squares. It is plotted to the hill there.
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  Our to work is exceptional, and I think series 7v suffered
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  because a lot of time went in today.
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  They are the doctor was the script he had to get, right?
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  This was a script yet. I'd be singing You cast around
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  the world and seen by everybody. This is that where is energy
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  needed to be? And basically, this is a Drake's
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  of his creativity and energy after they are the doctors been
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  done. But odds are, if you think this
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  is a strong that I will disagree, On that policy?
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  No, no, it's it. I wanted to strong as Day of the
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  Doctor but I think you know, the dregs is a bit Accord agree with
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  our can't agree that there's you know there is still a few good
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  sort of fresh ideas in here. I would do anything to get an
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  orphan 55 reference into a story.
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  You know. He lab previous.
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  We should we should we watch the thing and see how we get off?
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  Yes, go on. Then otherwise, we'll be here
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  all day if there's anyone, you know that I'd I'd rather Agree
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  with our haven't found them yet, you know?
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  Yeah. 5, 4, 3, 2 1. Let's go.
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  Did you know I love this sound. They opens wave.
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  It's great. Isn't it?
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  Whoop soon as I listened is sort of like hasn't about your neck
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  stand up and you're like hmm. So where do you rank this then
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  in terms of regeneration specials it's my least favorite
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  regeneration story of unit series, and Is my second least
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  favorite Christmas special after to talk to her which out in the
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  water. Oh it's all right.
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  Are we done this before with all the spaceships coming together?
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  I'll swear. We did this over Stonehenge.
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  Once we did yes this is like this is it walking into the
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  Dalek ship of the Dalek I stalk. Oh, an immediate right?
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  We get introduced to handles and I think that's the best of this
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  episode because the one emotional be that are really
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  felt when I watched this last week was when handles expires
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  are no, that's so sad, isn't it? So yeah.
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  So what we just repeating things then do you think?
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  Well, I don't know. It's either him sort of looking
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  back and saying, right, let's celebrate everything we've done.
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  Maybe I'll I'm so I'm being kind there or is He's a is that our
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  ideas a bit and he's just he wants to go for the Epic.
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  So he's like right? Well let's bring in every Doctor
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  Who Monster again, you know. Sometimes tell her little
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  slitheen. There was anyone.
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  I swear this isn't the line even in pandorica, opens, doesn't she
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  say that she's a? Oh my God.
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  They're all amassing around Stonehenge, she lists a load of
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  classic series monsters. I think it's fine.
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  I think it's it is, it does give that sort of epic.
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  Epic feels a bit of like, shorthand for for epic, isn't
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  it? You know, it was good.
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  Hard bite em. We got the pandorica.
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  What hard? Daleks and Cybermen.
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  I got that but we hadn't had any other.
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  Kind of monster in its with anybody throws, all of them out
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  there and Daleks and Cybermen in autons.
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  So I thought it was beautifully done in the pandorica.
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  Opens are still think that's one of his best episodes in terms of
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  like culminating a season I think pandorica a open.
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  This is probably our best it. But here it just I'm going to
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  keep saying the word. Indulgent I think Joe I do like
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  his costume in serious. Bay.
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  I love his costume in series 5, that sort of ramshackle.
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  Look, he had like like the little boy dressing like an old
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  man and failing display now. The Americans are watching and
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  he's all very tailored, I think it's fine.
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  I think it's as I see what you mean.
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  You know, it's it's, you know, is if you put lake trout in a
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  dinner suit was in it. Yeah, you did lose a little bit
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  of swimming, but he needs to go back in the Rough and Tumble
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  machine. Danny, I think you When you see
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  him in, you know, it's introduced in the snowmen.
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  You know, when you have that that Feel that that's how we
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  dress and he's dressing appropriately for the time.
• 23:02
  You know, he's got he's crumpled top hat and he's got the
• 23:06
  waistcoat and tie into the shirt and whatnot.
• 23:09
  And, you know, when he goes into the Tardis and we see that the
• 23:14
  new Tardis interior the first time you see the full sort of
• 23:17
  effect of that of a new Tardis new suit.
• 23:20
  I think that really works have such a lovely Christmas.
• 23:23
  Why are we watching that one in the state that bit where they go
• 23:25
  up the staircase? Into the clouds is just Awful.
• 23:29
  Now look, we're already repeating the gags here, we've
• 23:32
  had him going into a Dalek ship with a bit of Dalek.
• 23:35
  Now he's got into a sideman ship with a Cyberman head.
• 23:39
  Why we're still good guard? Why repeat a terrible gag?
• 23:45
  You think that's a flaw of Steven Moffat straight in there
• 23:47
  night. Does tend to repeat himself a
• 23:50
  bit. Yeah, and no, because I think
• 23:52
  sometimes he takes ideas that haven't quite worked and he
• 23:56
  perfects them sometimes and other times I think he takes
• 24:00
  ideas that he's already done really well and it's also What
• 24:04
  would you say was a good example of a perfect?
• 24:06
  In an idea. Oh my words.
• 24:10
  But I'm but I'm but I'm but I'm gonna let me come back to you.
• 24:12
  I'll have to delve into my into my brain and think about that.
• 24:17
  I mean, I feel like like the sort of non linear narrative.
• 24:24
  I feel like that just got a bit tiresome after a while.
• 24:27
  I think he probably got it as best in the pandorica opens and
• 24:30
  the big bang that sort of jumping about all over the
• 24:34
  place. Well that was the beauty of that
• 24:36
  it was it wasn't just jumping about all over that place.
• 24:39
  It was jumping about the whole place.
• 24:41
  It was jumping about the whole series and whatnot.
• 24:46
  I think, for me, it is a bit of a bit of a problem.
• 24:49
  Because we do see things like how we treated the Daleks way,
• 24:54
  Is called the Daleks alone what he's trying to do.
• 24:57
  I think he's that interested in adults not, he's bothered.
• 25:00
  Always tries to do parliament's and things like that and he's
• 25:03
  psychology to the Dalek but none of it really sticks.
• 25:06
  Does it? Now, you would think that I
• 25:10
  would absolutely love a sequencing.
• 25:12
  Matt Smith in the bath. Yeah.
• 25:15
  That's what destructed, is there.
• 25:16
  Because I remember when I was watching our the last week, and
• 25:19
  I'll just have my hand on my eyes, go do, what is this?
• 25:21
  And then later on, he does Matt Smith ball, doesn't he?
• 25:25
  It's like how many quirky things can either do it itself?
• 25:30
  I think this team is just brilliant.
• 25:31
  I love this scene where You know, that's the way that the
• 25:37
  rest of the car stopped playing and the fact that the doctors in
• 25:40
  the nip but you've got your clothes on, is he worried a week
• 25:42
  in this alleifer? This webinar begin this?
• 25:44
  Yes. Although through all the way
• 25:46
  through because you dare, she went to Genesis.
• 25:51
  Hey why? I like this scene.
• 25:52
  She reads in it and I think shooter he's wonderful.
• 25:55
  And boy, oh boy, a Moffat, gave a shit about the families of his
• 25:58
  companions and I know he weren't doing that and that's fair
• 26:01
  enough, but she could have been amazing.
• 26:04
  Sheet of regret. Yep.
• 26:07
  Because she's a great actress, I can't help, but notice the
• 26:11
  flowers. Dad is played in pure neighbors
• 26:13
  style played by a completely different actor.
• 26:15
  That's when we saw him about five episodes ago, what happened
• 26:18
  there? Well, you stop receptacle order.
• 26:21
  A little bit of the knee and overhead for her.
• 26:25
  First dad was super hot. Hmm.
• 26:30
  Yeah, that would be again. People get people get old and
• 26:35
  they got played by different actors.
• 26:37
  Can't say enough. A no, no, that's quite a few
• 26:39
  things that annoy me in this, but I don't know.
• 26:40
  All the facts as well that we've got things have changed for
• 26:43
  Clara. But there's no kind of
• 26:46
  acknowledgement that things have changed.
• 26:48
  So she wears Andy and Gene. Artigue on.
• 26:50
  Why doesn't she nannying anymore?
• 26:52
  Why she suddenly a teacher? Like, none of this is not.
• 26:54
  We're just supposed to just sort catch up.
• 26:56
  You know, every time we see her because it's not important at
• 26:58
  the store, Free, but it's more to the character, but the story
• 27:02
  is about the doctor. Not Clara.
• 27:05
  It's and I thought that there's some emphasis on Clara and this
• 27:08
  is name is there is I mean car was important but ultimately
• 27:12
  with the story that were telling in this episode is the doctor,
• 27:17
  it's the end of the eleventh doctor.
• 27:20
  And there is this point coming up where we are going to be
• 27:23
  potentially shoehorn and plot elements in where we are going
• 27:26
  to be like wrapping up things in.
• 27:29
  And what not and you know, this episode comes in for criticism
• 27:33
  because of that. So do you think perhaps if we
• 27:36
  did have more of Clara into, you know, while yacht in and you've
• 27:39
  gone off to college now and blue, but would that not also
• 27:42
  fit into that category of? You know, wrap it up too much in
• 27:46
  one go. Oh, maybe though, I would like
• 27:48
  those explanations as those things here in the previous
• 27:51
  episodes of just like, oh yeah, I'm not a nanny anymore.
• 27:54
  I'm working in the school now. You know, I've only had two more
• 27:56
  episodes since then, if you think nightmare cell Vehicles
• 27:59
  into the name of the doctor, goes into the Day of the Doctor
• 28:02
  goes, into this wall on. So we haven't in the in the Arc
• 28:07
  of the Season had that opportunity to then You know.
• 28:12
  And I just was like, every time I saw her, I was like, hang on
• 28:15
  what I thought she was a nanny, like I thought she was living
• 28:19
  in. Oh, she's got her own house now.
• 28:21
  What's got you know? Yeah, so but like in series, I I
• 28:26
  think he realizes Ashley, he hasn't won the other sketch, no
• 28:29
  character particularly well to, he hasn't been explaining what's
• 28:32
  going on in her life very well. So suddenly we get this very
• 28:35
  condensed character Arc of her, me and Danny pink, and it is all
• 28:39
  explained. And you know what?
• 28:40
  I like it a lot better. Like a lot better it is.
• 28:44
  I kind of think we need to get the context, you know, we are
• 28:48
  watching this on the 30th of January to 2023.
• 28:54
  So this came out, I can't believe you have to look at the
• 28:56
  year then. I know, you know, this is so
• 29:00
  we're taking it to kind of You know, nine years.
• 29:05
  After this has been, I do not like nine years after this has
• 29:08
  been broadcast. We're sitting down, watching it
• 29:10
  individually, okay? When we'll watch the first time,
• 29:14
  we would have had the whole series 7 be Arc.
• 29:18
  Leading up to this point. So we would have had how many
• 29:21
  episodes it it up Assad's. Yes.
• 29:23
  Not many. Yeah.
• 29:24
  So it's not many. We don't really have much time
• 29:27
  to set up a Clara that is going to pay off in this episode.
• 29:31
  Well, because of what you remember, the whole thing about
• 29:33
  Syria 7B was she was the impossible, girl, an epic
• 29:36
  history. I couldn't tell anything about
• 29:37
  who basically written as generic companion.
• 29:41
  Yeah. Absolutely.
• 29:42
  Sauces. She's a plot Point more than
• 29:44
  anything in in 7B. But having said that there is
• 29:48
  Is, you know, elements of our current.
• 29:50
  I go in there and, you know, you have the start of rings of
• 29:53
  akhaten where she would get her back story with her.
• 29:55
  Mom and dad are the old dad. I was, it were not the new one
• 29:59
  will get here. It was all the I'm getting
• 30:01
  confused and so we too have things kind of sprinkled about
• 30:05
  and I know obviously if this was It was all T, Davies series.
• 30:11
  That would be emphasized a lot more and would have a lot more
• 30:14
  element of that. But maybe I've just got used to
• 30:16
  that approach. And that's a big one preferred
• 30:18
  approach or that's the problem, I think.
• 30:21
  Well, I think that depends again on.
• 30:23
  What story you want to, do you want the story of the companion
• 30:26
  and their family in there and how the how that relates with
• 30:31
  the doctor or do you want the story of the doctor in?
• 30:34
  How he relates with these companion?
• 30:36
  I mean, in the pile of the ways is every bit.
• 30:38
  Roses story as it is. The doctors even though is Chris
• 30:41
  Rock Wilson's. Last Story, the emphasis is as
• 30:44
  much on Rose and I actually would have preferred this if we
• 30:48
  were following Jenna Coleman a bit more than we were following
• 30:52
  the doctor. It's one of us, isn't it?
• 30:57
  Is it is for me I think that wouldn't work nearly as much
• 31:00
  because like you said we haven't got enough of Clara for that to
• 31:04
  be interesting. You know, when we get to part of
• 31:06
  the ways, you know the good bit of partner the way is is when
• 31:10
  you know, the doctor thinks that Rose has been Zapped by the
• 31:13
  Android. You know, what his reaction to
• 31:15
  that and then roses reaction to being left behind by the doctor
• 31:18
  and having the kind of Jesus that is of gold.
• 31:21
  That is drop dramatic. Yeah.
• 31:24
  Sequence. Yes, that's kind of that works
• 31:28
  because we've had sort of 12 weeks building up to that of the
• 31:31
  Doctor and Rose and their relationship.
• 31:33
  You know, we don't have enough of that.
• 31:35
  I think for Cara for this to be a club eccentric episode and I
• 31:39
  don't think Moffat wants to tell them.
• 31:41
  No, he doesn't. He wants to write Doctor.
• 31:43
  Who about the dog, sir? There's only like that.
• 31:46
  Is this thing? Can I?
• 31:47
  What? He's also given us those
• 31:51
  elements of Clara though, because, you know, it could just
• 31:53
  Be okay. Everything happens on
• 31:55
  trenzalore. But no, we do get back to Earth
• 31:57
  and we do see Clovis, funny and we have a lovely scene coming up
• 32:01
  with them. The Stepmom where she has just
• 32:04
  been a an atrocious person. She's an enormous thing
• 32:07
  character though in. She like, she's actually I think
• 32:11
  Shay. Yeah.
• 32:12
  But, you know, you getting that sort of interaction, you have
• 32:16
  liked the bit, the little be seen with, with an aunt Elena.
• 32:21
  How she met her husband and When the Phantom's back into our
• 32:26
  water, when Danny pink dots, just for that one scene is the
• 32:30
  one point where I really felt that Clara had like a connection
• 32:36
  with her family. Is such a big theme.
• 32:39
  Yeah, yeah. And let's it's not the focus of
• 32:42
  Moffat Storyteller in the focus is very much more productive and
• 32:45
  you know, if I'm honest like more, I do think he does focus
• 32:49
  more on the plot. The Nick I know he can do good
• 32:51
  character work but he is more interested.
• 32:53
  In plots. Yes I think he's more of a plot
• 32:56
  driven Storyteller than a so that is absolutely going to
• 33:00
  determine how you approached his work whether you ever whether
• 33:04
  you're in his characters like me all over your in his plots like
• 33:08
  you. Yeah yeah I mean I think I mean
• 33:13
  I wouldn't say I'm not interested in code AS but you
• 33:15
  know it's about how was your stunt hold your, tell your story
• 33:18
  to your, tell your story through Claudia tell them through
• 33:20
  characters you know you can't do what I mean.
• 33:23
  Stay visible approved. You can do both both approaches
• 33:26
  work and can be successful, too sir, two more lesser degrees.
• 33:31
  I mean, you know, you'll hear me time and time.
• 33:33
  Again, complain about is deal sending University Davies story
• 33:39
  because that really does kind of take me out, you know, when
• 33:42
  we'll get to that. Do you think there was a better
• 33:44
  way of wrapping this up? But then you'll hear me complain
• 33:47
  about terrible, Steven Moffat season-ending like read full
• 33:52
  tesselecta twist in wedding of River Song or Dreadful hybrid
• 33:56
  twist, at the end of series 9, I like, well, all that build-up
• 34:01
  and promise for this. Like and we skipped entirely
• 34:06
  over a river song, clone Tasha, Lem who's been on the screen now
• 34:09
  for a while, played by the Fantastic actress, all a Brady.
• 34:13
  It's really a big Star Trek Picard.
• 34:15
  Yes, Planet. Irish Romulan ale.
• 34:17
  She's fabulous in that. You know, she was flirting away
• 34:20
  with Patrick Stewart. Well, I just think she is
• 34:23
  basically River Song in this. Yeah, I mean the one point she's
• 34:28
  very clearly with us or and that's the point where she does
• 34:31
  the thing that I really don't like people doing which is the
• 34:33
  TARDIS. Then wind the Tardis by the
• 34:37
  Tardis. Oh okay.
• 34:38
  Don't think that all this has plenty of know.
• 34:41
  I don't like going. I think the doctor flows the
• 34:43
  Tardis and whenever like a drink or total does it's like not me
• 34:48
  it's not your it's not your wheels you better hold on to
• 34:50
  your hat Fraser Greek. So that's a something
• 34:52
  complimentary About Time of the Doctor.
• 34:54
  Well that's not much as I do. Like the shopping list of
• 34:57
  monsters that are in this and I do think it self-indulgent.
• 34:59
  I do think this sequence with the angels is very well filmed
• 35:02
  and the fact that it's a new way of doing it in the snow in that
• 35:06
  their vision is obscured. Unfortunately, I still think I
• 35:09
  think there could have been a whole story around this as well.
• 35:13
  Don't think the could to be honest are you could do the
• 35:15
  angels in the in a snowy setting.
• 35:17
  It won't really isn't snow said, yeah, you could you not this
• 35:20
  story. I don't think this story.
• 35:22
  I don't think it could have just the angels in this story.
• 35:26
  I want to get your perspective on something.
• 35:28
  That was said to me yesterday by The Marvelous, Luke Malloy, as
• 35:31
  we watched a load of Steven Moffat episodes.
• 35:33
  And so in his opinion, I do agree with him.
• 35:36
  That Rusty Davis is making television for the masses and
• 35:40
  Steven Moffat is making television for Doctor Who fans.
• 35:44
  And I don't disagree with that assessment.
• 35:47
  And I think this is a really good example of that, all of
• 35:52
  these monsters, all of this Arc, stuff like it.
• 35:56
  It feels and it feels to me like 80s Doctor Who just a ton of
• 36:00
  continuity lumped on, and I can see why people got a bit tired
• 36:05
  of it. Everyone is, as we sort of move
• 36:07
  on. Yeah, I don't get me wrong,
• 36:08
  there's still Innovation. There's tons of it and fuck me.
• 36:11
  There is ambition. I think he's the most ambitious
• 36:14
  writer Doctor Who's ever had. Yeah, I think that's a very good
• 36:18
  point from Luke, and I can see why, And see where where that
• 36:23
  fits in. I think also you know and make
• 36:25
  sure in this at the minute that years very much Sherman, you
• 36:31
  know years is not just about let's put something on the
• 36:34
  television and make it good. He's very much about the brand
• 36:38
  and you know how that gets sold Nationwide and worldwide and you
• 36:43
  know he's in bed with Disney. Now, he's in bed with Sony, he's
• 36:46
  very you know, much he's talking his fingers on the pulse.
• 36:51
  Well, he's fingers on pies. It's in pies.
• 36:54
  London pregnancy that what I know where his fingers are.
• 36:57
  All right, stop it. That's where you belong.
• 37:03
  You know, he's got a spin-off spoons of that is very much.
• 37:06
  You know what he's about. He's he's not so much just about
• 37:09
  making Doctor Who for the masses.
• 37:11
  He's about as a Big Brand, and Steven Moffat, just for Doctor
• 37:17
  Who fans, I don't necessarily think just for fans, but I think
• 37:22
  what he does is he's looking out to reward the regular viewer.
• 37:28
  So not just the funny like me and you who were going to give
• 37:31
  up a mourner to come and sit and talk about Doctor Who.
• 37:33
  But, you know, he's he's looking to reward.
• 37:36
  The people who watched last year and the year before and, you
• 37:39
  know, Kind of building that up. So yes he's going to give us a
• 37:44
  episode where he's going to throw in a few Angels.
• 37:47
  He's going to throw in a few sontarans because he's trusts
• 37:50
  that the The viewing public are going to be on board with that
• 37:56
  and go. Oh, yes.
• 37:57
  Sontarans from last Christmas. That's the comedy potato from
• 38:01
  last Christmas in its of angels from from the before and that
• 38:06
  pitch that now. But I think you can also level
• 38:10
  that Russell T, Davies as well, because, you know, when he first
• 38:14
  started out, it was very much, you know, the cognitive elements
• 38:17
  were very much sprinkled Very good.
• 38:21
  He was, you know, yeah, you had autons and you had Daleks and
• 38:24
  that was it. You go into the second to use
• 38:27
  your have Daleks and you have Cybermen and that's it.
• 38:30
  You know, it's very just you know, new new new stories, new
• 38:35
  monsters so on and so forth. But you kind of get to the end
• 38:39
  though you get to the end of season 3 in the Masters coming
• 38:42
  back and that's a lot more for a casual viewer to take in.
• 38:46
  Who's the master whose we just take the time to reintroduce him
• 38:49
  to a new audience it does and he throws be throws in the sort of
• 38:53
  nuggets for the fans as well and then you get to the end of end
• 38:56
  of time and Gallifrey is coming back and it's all yeah Fraser
• 39:00
  Gary Russell's involved at that point of Is that point it is.
• 39:07
  It's very more fatty because you know, by that point, if you
• 39:10
  haven't, kept up with the last four years, you know, what's a
• 39:13
  Gala for you, w at a more, what's a Nightmare, Child?
• 39:15
  What's, you know, who's this? You know, this?
• 39:18
  I think I think the last series I think Rusty Davis celebrates
• 39:22
  what he created a in Journey's End the end of Journey's End is
• 39:26
  a successive number of scenes of characters that he has created.
• 39:32
  He's saying goodbye and that happens at the end of the end of
• 39:34
  time as well as I think in this, it ain't all this stuff that's
• 39:38
  built up throughout. The area is just yet, we'll
• 39:40
  throw the side men were throwing the Daleks will throw in the
• 39:42
  Angels were throwing the sontarans for friend you know so
• 39:45
  it is just continuity. I do wrong it's nice to see
• 39:48
  these monsters I guess. Yeah yeah I would I would say
• 39:51
  it's not continue what I think it is just the you know the
• 39:54
  steps on the journey to our main.
• 39:56
  Look at this. I'm sorry the sale of Rassilon
• 39:58
  from the five doctors Come on, talk about a deal.
• 40:02
  Dive that's for the fans. Are happy to give you that but
• 40:07
  at the sautee the same time. So is Roger, Delgado is voice
• 40:10
  when Derek Jacobi opens? Oh, marvelous pocket watch, you
• 40:15
  know there's the sprinklers, you know what about your all the way
• 40:18
  from metabolites free. But you know what Luke's point
• 40:26
  was there's nuggets like that all the way through.
• 40:28
  And I think there's there's nuggets all the way through
• 40:30
  Russell 0 as well in, that's That's the way to do it because
• 40:34
  you kind of go and, you know, something like this, you're a
• 40:37
  rascal God, no one's gonna watch this this.
• 40:38
  See, and going as well. So you have a salon.
• 40:40
  I don't trust about, and I'm not gonna watch this anymore and
• 40:43
  take these out. You, it's just it's an Easter
• 40:45
  Eggers and it more than anything else.
• 40:46
  It's hot stew restaurant in five doctors like your wife sit next
• 40:51
  to going, what, what the hell. But look excited without live
• 40:57
  Center. Moffett Ryan for Doctor Who fans
• 40:59
  was that he liked that approach because even though I've been
• 41:03
  slightly inaccessible for regular viewers and it did
• 41:07
  Hemorrhage viewers. As it went on, it meant it was
• 41:12
  pushing the show in, ambitious and interesting, and dark, and
• 41:16
  creative areas that perhaps it probably shouldn't have gone in
• 41:19
  but are worth absolutely worth discussing, like really
• 41:22
  substantial ideas and whereas Rusty Davis's time where he's
• 41:30
  doing things like I don't know, Agatha Christie.
• 41:32
  Pasty shoes and you know JK Rowling pastiches is absolutely
• 41:38
  accessible to the general audience and they lapped it up
• 41:41
  because it's all kind of stuff that's in the Zeitgeist that I
• 41:45
  can get behind. But perhaps it's a little more
• 41:48
  generic and less interesting to watch and discuss as a doctor
• 41:52
  who fan it was a really it was interesting.
• 41:55
  I don't disagree with them and I do think Moffat did he look kind
• 41:59
  of poked a torch into dark corners?
• 42:02
  Corners and things like that. I'm just not sure.
• 42:05
  I like what came scurrying out is all.
• 42:08
  I think I think Russell did as well.
• 42:10
  Russell, you know, and I've said this, you know, many many times
• 42:14
  before another podcast, another hamsters is that Russell is a
• 42:18
  drama writer and drama queen do it.
• 42:25
  Taking it back to sort of like, you know, the classic sort of
• 42:28
  Greek Theater. You know, you're hard to hold
• 42:31
  like Shakespeare, you have comedies, you have tragedies,
• 42:35
  you know, and Russell T, Davies is a tragedy writer is a drama
• 42:40
  writer. Steven Moffat is a comedy,
• 42:41
  right? And by that, I don't mean he's a
• 42:42
  sitcom writer that. He's, you know, he's just
• 42:44
  writing, got to guard what I mean is that, you know, when he
• 42:47
  is, so this is, what's the Lakes funny lines as well.
• 42:51
  Oh, my God. Sure.
• 42:53
  But the story that they are telling is very different as
• 42:56
  different as much as that the characters suffer under muscle
• 43:00
  and the don't under Moffitt. Are you kidding me right now?
• 43:04
  And Bill as massive old bloating though.
• 43:06
  She gets better, though. She's sure I heard the time.
• 43:10
  Yes. And then she gets a plastic
• 43:12
  chest, getting it was sober, man with massive Crow, go for a
• 43:16
  chest in. She gets better.
• 43:18
  Oh, no. That's why we can't take any
• 43:20
  serious and any danger in. this foot in this era in this is the,
• 43:24
  but this is how this is the story that moffatt's Talent is
• 43:27
  one will hear, you know, It's more of a happy ending, you
• 43:31
  know, if that was whistle, you know, you wouldn't work.
• 43:34
  First of all, you wouldn't put have that happen to these
• 43:37
  characters because you wouldn't want your characters a happy
• 43:40
  ending, you can, he gave Donna ultimately a happy ending with
• 43:44
  the lorries and all of that. No course he did in end of time.
• 43:48
  And anyway, she's coming back. He's going to correct that
• 43:50
  wherever you think about that? We'll see, we'll see what
• 43:53
  happens because all the MacGyver's.
• 43:55
  I think what you did with Donna was terrible.
• 43:58
  I think what he did was 10% of the population of the Earth was
• 44:00
  pretty awful in sound of drums. I mean, is a vicious bastard.
• 44:03
  Russell T. Sometimes the did get better
• 44:06
  though, so don't forget that. Well yeah, all right, yeah,
• 44:09
  that's fair but they did remember that's what I liked
• 44:11
  about that. Yeah.
• 44:12
  What you will do though is you know, the side characters will
• 44:17
  will suffer us all, you know I mean Donna suffers because Donna
• 44:22
  You know, ultimately knows the what's going to happen, she's
• 44:26
  going to have a memory wipe and she's going to stop being a nice
• 44:28
  person because she hasn't got a man in my life anymore.
• 44:30
  Oh, then that's a very particular reading of that
• 44:35
  season rules and suffers because she doesn't have the doctor so
• 44:40
  she's left in a temple and alternative Universe towards it.
• 44:43
  She's alive butchers, you know, should suffer went.
• 44:48
  Basically, you know, you look at the psycho dice or Kylie
• 44:51
  Minogue, I mean, He's me, you skit.
• 44:53
  Fry them off of. They made the choice to say.
• 44:55
  Oh, you fuck off. I'm going.
• 44:58
  Janna chance. It might be the bloody nor
• 45:00
  clock. Well, hey Marta, reactor, she's
• 45:03
  married to the character. What should be the Mickey then?
• 45:08
  It's very tricky, you know, it's just season one now, but
• 45:11
  everyone has been cancelled in it and again, your, is it
• 45:15
  intended for Martha? Isn't necessarily a happy
• 45:17
  ending. It's probably the happiest one.
• 45:19
  It's probably the best of the Indians that were get and which
• 45:24
  do you prefer these endings of Bill coming off as with a puddle
• 45:29
  and Clark, going off in a diner. I No, I don't know what to feel
• 45:33
  about those endings. I think you're, I mean that
• 45:38
  muscle does exactly the same with with doomsday, doesn't lie,
• 45:41
  because it all starts with You know, I almost told her in this
• 45:46
  is the story about the day I died.
• 45:47
  It's like you're not dying words.
• 45:48
  You don't die. Love doing it.
• 45:50
  I deny you, your boyfriend's took off your but that's not the
• 45:53
  same. And so there is that sort of you
• 45:57
  kill off, Danny pink and keep him dead.
• 46:00
  He did. He did he was so boring.
• 46:02
  We were all relieved about that. Do you posit we've skipped over
• 46:08
  huge swaths of this story will come back within two minutes.
• 46:12
  That's for, I think. What was Sean though?
• 46:14
  Thought, you know what, Steven, Moffat, and Russell, T, Davies,
• 46:17
  or because we're taught just about about whistle, as well,
• 46:20
  have Steven. And I think what that shows is
• 46:23
  that the are very, very similar Waiters Similar very similar,
• 46:28
  you know, they can write. I mean, this story for me is a
• 46:32
  very Russell story. It's got a lot of Russell T
• 46:36
  Davies beats in it. You know, the plot such as it is
• 46:39
  the story such as it is is about the characters.
• 46:43
  So it is about the doctor and it doesn't feel well.
• 46:46
  I think I would feel more Russell's, right?
• 46:48
  And this. Yes, but in terms of, you know,
• 46:51
  the story that's being told, it's a very personal story in
• 46:54
  which is, you know, the plot isn't as important as the
• 46:56
  characters are. In this particular story in,
• 47:00
  it's probably falling down for you because those characters
• 47:02
  aren't as well, fleshed out, but Stephen can do like a whole
• 47:07
  story and kill off, Danny pink. So you can do it here.
• 47:10
  We'll stop and do more sort of like, Steven Moffat, take Tails.
• 47:15
  You look like love and monsters where ultimately, you know, the
• 47:19
  are it gets sucked off by Paving slab.
• 47:21
  Exactly. You know, where, as in that
• 47:23
  instance, letting her go would have been the No option and wise
• 47:30
  marketer, you tried it. I do not try in that.
• 47:34
  You naughty not want, man. I'm sorry, but do you know any
• 47:38
  eggs in Paving slabs are though for you're going to be able to
• 47:42
  write what we missed, then what was this is welcome to
• 47:45
  Christmas. We've missed Tessa Peak Jones.
• 47:48
  We have yes. Radical wasted guest actor.
• 47:53
  No, no, no. In a very good scene, she's
• 47:59
  fabulous actress. So I want more.
• 48:03
  So would who would you rather cast in that ruling?
• 48:07
  Well, I'll give her one saying, if that's all she's getting but
• 48:10
  I'd rather she was in a whole episode.
• 48:13
  You know, I know and I have made this joke about wasting guest
• 48:16
  actors and are they get absolutely?
• 48:18
  He, you know, Michael Gambon Celia.
• 48:20
  Imrie he can. Yeah I'm great but he does like
• 48:25
  bringing in these button. Fabulous actors for these two
• 48:29
  seat, two minutes scenes. Well honey, I want more.
• 48:33
  That's the problem is I want you can get Talent, Get Talent, you
• 48:35
  know, rather than seeing or well Olivia Colman autistic Jones,
• 48:40
  whatever, Or Michael Sheen. You know, I'm just gonna get
• 48:45
  them to do a bit part, so I'm not going to bother because of
• 48:49
  the rules to small seems like actually, there's a rule, go and
• 48:52
  do it. Then I've got fantastic cast.
• 48:56
  We've had a series of comedy scenes now of monsters
• 48:59
  attempting to invade trenzalore, I do like the wooden Cyberman.
• 49:03
  That's quite nice guy s brilliant, isn't it?
• 49:05
  But the comedy sontaran sticking out of the snow, is not funny.
• 49:08
  It's, it's wearable. That's just racks in a nutshell.
• 49:14
  But yeah, what. Terrible it kind of comes back
• 49:18
  to this world by use Charming. It's an overuse at this point,
• 49:23
  we're getting things like structs just completely over
• 49:25
  used as an artichoke were once. So, we'll bring it back and
• 49:28
  we'll bring it back and we'll bring it back and we'll bring
• 49:30
  him back in by tiny. What this bit right over for a
• 49:33
  newspaper, at your red and you fell over, I'd laugh as well.
• 49:36
  It's I would as well. I think the you goes out on a
• 49:38
  high thankfully. Gets to that point where you
• 49:42
  just take a hot. Not what can I say though?
• 49:46
  I feel like the idea of the doctor saying I'm going to stay
• 49:50
  on Trends, lawn become an old man and yet these people that's
• 49:54
  very sweet and lovely and very dr.
• 49:56
  Ish. Absolutely.
• 49:57
  I like that. What I don't like is that it was
• 50:01
  he protecting that crack is he protecting Amy's crack?
• 50:04
  I can't remember. Now it's noise, he's protecting
• 50:06
  the tone because at the crack so nice to play with the kids and a
• 50:09
  puppet show are on the dock. That's all very lovely and
• 50:12
  Charming. What?
• 50:13
  I don't like is the Hideous and unconvincing old age makeup.
• 50:18
  They put Matt Smith in, where he looks absolutely ghoulish.
• 50:21
  Come, the end of the episode. Yes.
• 50:24
  Then I'll just I want to look at him and he's a pretty man.
• 50:28
  He looks all though, doesn't he? Oh, he looks all right.
• 50:31
  Oh, it's horrendous. But I did like these things
• 50:33
  between him and Clara and I thought I got actually feel a
• 50:36
  bit of warmth between the two of them in these things.
• 50:39
  Yeah. So yes that's quite nice.
• 50:42
  They go I can't do it. I've got quite a nice crack
• 50:45
  there, I don't work. So this is yes.
• 50:47
  Let's discuss Amy's crack. Let's talk about Amy's crack
• 50:50
  then. So we're having this, isn't it?
• 50:55
  Stop it. So this is this is the the
• 50:59
  element that's been involved but this is the wrapping up of Of
• 51:03
  stuff, isn't it? You know when we've got the
• 51:06
  crack in the wall coming back and we're trying to kind of
• 51:09
  explain what's behind the crack at what?
• 51:11
  That's all you know is this something that needed wrap it
• 51:14
  up? Did we need more cracking rocks?
• 51:18
  Probably not. But as he watched the moment
• 51:20
  where you see it, I got a tingle and that's because it just
• 51:25
  reminded me of all those fabulous moments in series 5,
• 51:29
  every time the crack appeared and you know, that's doing a
• 51:31
  rusty Davis. Ark.
• 51:33
  They're just a simple image of something.
• 51:36
  That's really creepy. It's not progressing throughout
• 51:39
  the season so reminded me of like happier times Yeah.
• 51:44
  But no. Do we did we need Amy's crack to
• 51:48
  open to such an extent that we'd get pixie dust from Gallifrey
• 51:52
  giving the doctor. But I mean, don't you be telling
• 51:55
  me I write for Doctor Who fans? It's a, he I mean, it all gets a
• 52:00
  bit much in their climax that it.
• 52:03
  Yeah, I mean, the bought the both waiting for the fans, I
• 52:05
  think I mean that's the question, then coming back to
• 52:09
  that then is you know should we be Boat the Casual viewer.
• 52:17
  There's a white. No, I don't think we need to now
• 52:20
  the streaming service because the numbers don't really matter
• 52:22
  anymore. They were just make dogs who
• 52:24
  because it's making them money. Yeah, at this look, we, yes, the
• 52:28
  BBC would cancel the show if it wasn't getting enough sleep,
• 52:32
  should we be worried then about popular Doctor Who or good
• 52:35
  Doctor? Who Good doctor who they sign
• 52:42
  it. If good doctor who's not
• 52:44
  popular, Is there a problem? That's a good question is as I
• 52:48
  say some of the most least popular moments in the show's
• 52:51
  history where the rate is have dived, I late McCoy and late.
• 52:57
  Patrick troughton. Yep, we've got the war games
• 52:59
  there, the cursor Henry. They're great showing the
• 53:01
  galaxies on the best stories live people show.
• 53:05
  Faced a chop on those occasions. Almost Yeah.
• 53:10
  Look at that. Special effect of them standing
• 53:12
  on top of that Bell Tower, that's really Dreadful.
• 53:17
  It's all models. Isn't it a lovely little model
• 53:19
  Village? It might suck asmus.
• 53:22
  It is a generally doesn't want to try things Jenna over there.
• 53:27
  Something else I love about this story as well.
• 53:28
  May, I say quickly and that is the music by Murray gold because
• 53:35
  I think the reprise of the long song at the end of this episode
• 53:38
  is absolutely gorgeous. Dr. Shepherd it's the price of
• 53:50
  the long song. I think.
• 53:52
  Yeah. Brilliantly at the end of the
• 53:53
  episode, but him the gallery theme as well.
• 53:57
  Hmm. When, when the pixie dust comes
• 53:59
  out of the crack in the sky or when the crack first appears as
• 54:02
  like, you know, that kind of chorus sing it.
• 54:07
  Yeah, that Marigold, he does get a bit samey and he's always
• 54:12
  good. But he does like reuse some cues
• 54:15
  as time goes on but I think when he needs to he can still knock
• 54:18
  it Connie again. It's you know, this is what you
• 54:21
  want from this story because this is end of the era.
• 54:25
  It's but this is the end of the year.
• 54:27
  Our story is not, the doctor gets out of trouble until you
• 54:30
  can't store. It's the end of the year, a
• 54:31
  story. So you want those Throwbacks you
• 54:33
  want. You know, you've had your Dalek
• 54:36
  sore throat but you know you've had Cybermen back again and
• 54:38
  you've hired a new Twist on them with the wooden Cyberman you've
• 54:40
  had the sontarans, you've had the Angels stands to reason.
• 54:43
  You're going to want those musical cues as well, that
• 54:45
  you're going to want. You know what, the fact that
• 54:48
  it's harking back to tenants time, rather than just as well,
• 54:52
  just adds a little extra little extra bit of gravy.
• 54:55
  Really. Mm-hmm.
• 54:56
  Hey, stockin, hear about the graves of all the people that
• 55:00
  you saved on trenzalore and all of this try to feel about any of
• 55:04
  this though, because I don't really know these people.
• 55:07
  And all I've seen is a quick Montage of clips and we've not
• 55:11
  really spent any great time with them.
• 55:13
  So, I'm just like, all right. You're trying to make me feel
• 55:16
  about people that I've got no investment in whatsoever.
• 55:20
  And that's, that's the trick of, of any of these stories, isn't
• 55:26
  it? Because, you know, you've got 45
• 55:28
  minutes, you've got an hour to try and make someone feel
• 55:31
  something about something. And that's where Russell is the
• 55:34
  king. You know, he will make you feel
• 55:36
  about Linda with a white and then I'll boy murder here.
• 55:39
  In fact, I still talking about her, you know, these years
• 55:41
  later, all these years later, And so it is we said he was a
• 55:45
  cruel Beast, don't worry? Yeah, it's difficult but it's,
• 55:49
  you know, it's part. And parcel of of the format
• 55:52
  unfortunate that you've only got x amount of time to set that up,
• 55:55
  and knock it down. And I ask you, is there such a
• 55:57
  thing as a Twist too far, because this bit in a minute.
• 56:00
  Now we're Tasha. Lem is revealed to have a Dalek.
• 56:04
  I still coming out of her for it and the whole of the church was
• 56:08
  under Dalek control. I'm like, what is going on now?
• 56:12
  Like what is this? No, I thought I think it's a
• 56:16
  good enough twists. I think if we need it, though.
• 56:19
  I thought the story was here. Why are we going up there?
• 56:23
  It's would advance in the pot a little bit, you know.
• 56:25
  Again you know what kind of we're going to tie up some a few
• 56:30
  loose ends. When I go up there we're going
• 56:31
  to have the whole explanation of The overhead that bit when we
• 56:37
  stop it. We're now I think it's in a
• 56:39
  minute. Is there where they sit around
• 56:40
  the table and talk about this? Now, I think it's now and she
• 56:46
  goes on about Madame, kovarian, the silence chapter and all of
• 56:51
  this stuff that we don't really give a shit about anymore, cuz
• 56:53
  we ditch that last season. Yeah.
• 56:55
  So what kind of wrapping it up, what?
• 56:57
  Kind of getting an explanation of who the silence?
• 56:59
  Or we do we need this. We don't need it, but does it
• 57:02
  take the way from the story? I think so.
• 57:05
  But I think, Taking the doctor away from trenzalore rather gots
• 57:10
  that story that he can just come away and have this Exposition
• 57:13
  dump and then dump him back into that story again.
• 57:16
  Yeah. And I think but I don't think
• 57:19
  you know haven't taken this moment in the next few minutes.
• 57:21
  Just to kind of see it all. Yes, of the crack in the wall
• 57:24
  was caused by Madame, kovarian who took these confessed.
• 57:29
  Foreign aliens and went back in time and mess things up a little
• 57:32
  bit and that's how that happened.
• 57:34
  Anybody that poised a Juvenal me and says that his Exposition is
• 57:39
  terrible. All this saying I'm sorry, it's
• 57:42
  just a load of explanations about stuff that has nothing to
• 57:46
  do with this story at all. This is my team that was a very
• 57:51
  bizarre. So yes, it is really, you know,
• 57:54
  it's it's in there, it's in addition to this, you know, you
• 57:57
  could take it out of this scene, this scene would still be there
• 57:59
  to not like the specifically come up onto the ship just so
• 58:02
  they can explain. But I don't think this honestly
• 58:06
  for the general audience that are tuning into Doc's, who this
• 58:09
  week, this scene is for Doctor Who fans that are paying
• 58:12
  attention to this bullshit. It's an extra tube Easter egg,
• 58:16
  you know. So like I said, if you tick Out,
• 58:19
  you know, the discussion around, you know, we have a song around
• 58:23
  that, you know, you would still need the doctor to come up at
• 58:25
  this point to see that Tasha Lem has been took over by a doll
• 58:28
  looking. The Daleks are now on the point
• 58:30
  of you know, declaring total war against planet.
• 58:33
  Trenzalore And then, you know what, we go back to the planet
• 58:37
  then we never see Madame kovarian again, we don't know
• 58:39
  what happens to were. What do you mean?
• 58:42
  Did I mean didn't you did she yeah no I'm going to sorry sorry
• 58:46
  that we never see Tasha Lem again.
• 58:47
  Sorry we do. We'll see ya, pop you in.
• 58:51
  Yeah. In the river Samuel.
• 58:53
  You watch. Okay.
• 58:55
  All right. I forgot about that bit.
• 58:58
  I was only able to stop by this point.
• 59:01
  But because Moffat can do, horror Moffat, can read, you
• 59:04
  know, years of Comedy right up, but you can also release onto
• 59:08
  horror and, you know, scare your quite well, you know, you look
• 59:10
  at, oh, tell me, you think that's good horror that I still
• 59:14
  come and have a rate. I mean, that's comedy.
• 59:17
  But you know, the lead up to that of sort of like well how
• 59:20
  did you stop them? Well, wouldn't it was?
• 59:22
  It was totally slow-mo. Yeah, why didn't you cause I did
• 59:26
  I did I died in this room. Just purely that isn't it?
• 59:29
  I mean that's a chilling line. I died in this room.
• 59:32
  Screaming your honor but some when did the tape stop oh a
• 59:37
  little while back he standing there.
• 59:39
  That's you're not looking at the are either you?
• 59:42
  Whoo you know it does those moments.
• 59:43
  So brilliantly, two, clocks broken.
• 59:45
  So what's that ticking noise? Yeah.
• 59:48
  And again, and again, and again, and I thought, geez.
• 59:51
  I mean, I watch, listen yesterday, and I had lots of
• 59:53
  little inversion that's that, that death thing on the bed
• 59:57
  Fraser. Yeah, that is.
• 1:00:00
  That's probably one of the scariest moments in the whole of
• 1:00:03
  Doctor Who that is and the way it sort of Rises up.
• 1:00:07
  Yeah, I'll talk about listen now look, you know, go back to Clara
• 1:00:14
  quickly and I'll tell you what I think salvages Clara for me.
• 1:00:19
  Most of the time is Jenna Coleman.
• 1:00:21
  I just think she's such a good actress that whatever Clara has
• 1:00:25
  been written for this week. Yeah, she'll she'll play it.
• 1:00:28
  It's not consistent, but it's always thought believable,
• 1:00:31
  because she's playing it. Yeah.
• 1:00:33
  And she obviously thinks does get better work, you know, in
• 1:00:37
  season eight and nine when and It's just kind of moving away
• 1:00:43
  from just being sort of like the generic companion and whatnot,
• 1:00:46
  but we're also getting it in here as well.
• 1:00:48
  Your little I think it's m You know what we're talking about,
• 1:00:53
  who are the best sort of actors and actresses in Doctor Who?
• 1:00:56
  And I've always said, it's Louise Jameson.
• 1:00:58
  Who's Jim shella? Is the best?
• 1:01:00
  It's like the we've ever had, you know, if you put Louise
• 1:01:02
  Jameson and Jenna Coleman taught at all, You know, I think one of
• 1:01:08
  the reasons why in the Wiis Jameson is the better actor is
• 1:01:11
  because she's not given as much to work with.
• 1:01:15
  You know, of course, fills in the gaps.
• 1:01:18
  Yeah. You know, and Peter Capaldi and
• 1:01:20
  Jenna Coleman have such good material handed to them.
• 1:01:23
  Rather chemistry. Yeah, boy, that scene at the end
• 1:01:27
  of Kill the moon. Exactly.
• 1:01:29
  Oh, exactly. A but that is that why I'm
• 1:01:31
  talking about? They are given.
• 1:01:32
  That is a gift that's wrapped up the man said.
• 1:01:34
  Right there you go. Kids, knock yourselves out, make
• 1:01:37
  some magic out of that and they do the fly with it, but it's not
• 1:01:41
  a given that actors will have chemistry.
• 1:01:43
  No, they all worked. Nice, not just the screen.
• 1:01:46
  Yeah, yeah. But you know, for someone like
• 1:01:48
  Louise James and she's not given up, she's just given.
• 1:01:51
  There you go, generic companies. She has to fill in.
• 1:01:54
  You know, she comes at the 11th, girl, as well.
• 1:01:56
  Okay, this is a Savage, this is a hunter.
• 1:02:01
  So I'm going to be constantly looking around and I'm going to
• 1:02:03
  be I'm not going to know how to sit on a settee and I'm not
• 1:02:05
  going to do contractions and you know, that sort of thing.
• 1:02:08
  She feels. I think it's in might as well
• 1:02:12
  talk about filling in the gaps and given that very thin
• 1:02:16
  character some substance but you know I don't want to take away
• 1:02:21
  from Jenna Coleman because you know even when she is a wench
• 1:02:25
  has not given much to do. She is absolutely fantastic and
• 1:02:28
  this this story is well, you know she's you know when she's
• 1:02:34
  left with a nun, you know inches having the You know, the
• 1:02:40
  Christmas and a whole sort of world is falling away around
• 1:02:43
  ashes. She's absolutely selling it.
• 1:02:46
  But I do think it's interesting that both Steven Moffat
• 1:02:50
  acknowledge you when he wrote series a, that he really needed
• 1:02:55
  to focus Clara's character and actually give her a bit of a
• 1:02:59
  character. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:03:00
  I'm a deep breath is completely doing.
• 1:03:02
  That is doing so much groundwork for her and Matt Smith recently
• 1:03:08
  in an interview. Said that he thought the time of
• 1:03:11
  the doctor was, aha, remember how he worded it now, he was
• 1:03:14
  trying to be diplomatic, but he said we started really strong in
• 1:03:18
  series 5 and the last episode, it wasn't very strong.
• 1:03:22
  Also rely that he I don't think he was too impressed with this.
• 1:03:26
  Look she gives it this much gumption, is what he's going,
• 1:03:30
  he's not an it out the park, you know, he's bringing everything
• 1:03:33
  that you want from his doctor into Into the store, you know,
• 1:03:37
  he's given you the sort of the sarcastic side.
• 1:03:40
  He's given you the The song that I like the childish side, you
• 1:03:46
  know, the one that works well for the kids, he's giving you
• 1:03:49
  that that's all alien side of. I mean, we're talking again,
• 1:03:53
  right over the start, I love that scene, where we like cars.
• 1:03:55
  Like I'm your boy. He's like, you're my boyfriend's
• 1:03:58
  like ding dong. I'll must evolve.
• 1:04:01
  Look at the money was like, no, no, no, I'm not reading.
• 1:04:02
  Psychosis is a roller coaster. This.
• 1:04:04
  You know what, your players that sort of social awkwardness, you
• 1:04:07
  know, I all that stuff. Don't ya?
• 1:04:08
  Well it's I just don't like that weird pervy angle with.
• 1:04:13
  Lara, the eleventh doctor. Yeah, the whole way and he loves
• 1:04:26
  the doctor being sexually voracious, but it's time for me.
• 1:04:29
  It's just fun. And thank God, I didn't do that
• 1:04:32
  with Capaldi. Well, exactly.
• 1:04:35
  Oh no. Except we're ever sold the most
• 1:04:38
  romantic story of all time. Exactly, exactly.
• 1:04:41
  But you know, you've said, Many times how many others, a
• 1:04:44
  difference between sexualizing, the doctor and having a romantic
• 1:04:47
  doctor? And I think that's that story,
• 1:04:49
  sort of really proves your point really there.
• 1:04:54
  Thank you very much. I love Clara's down here, where
• 1:05:00
  it says everything you need to know about these characters when
• 1:05:04
  the horrendous woman that the fathers brought, the dinner,
• 1:05:08
  goes all their poems in the crackers, and then goes, what?
• 1:05:12
  Like the jokes, you know, that's all you need to know about.
• 1:05:16
  And really, that's, that's, that's doing a rusty.
• 1:05:18
  Davis telling keratin a very economic way.
• 1:05:22
  And Paul. She's beautiful, isn't it?
• 1:05:26
  Yeah. This bit with the Nan telling
• 1:05:28
  her all seems to serve our witness kind of I think we're
• 1:05:31
  talking about a snow event. Yeah.
• 1:05:37
  Look at her rolling. Her eyes.
• 1:05:38
  What a bitch. Honestly.
• 1:05:42
  Who invited her to dinner. She ain't even a looker We'll go
• 1:05:49
  here. Comes River Song.
• 1:05:52
  River song. Yeah comes with a song hang on
• 1:05:57
  because the doctors done the same thing.
• 1:05:58
  He's left her set a home in the Tardis ones with the Tardis.
• 1:06:02
  He's got the Tardis back and we as he's done it to what we have
• 1:06:05
  done this a few times now. Oh yeah.
• 1:06:07
  So then he's dropped her off again.
• 1:06:10
  You know made I think that he's calling boxes come out the
• 1:06:13
  Tardis and value in the Tardis comes back and inside its River
• 1:06:15
  song. Oh yeah so yeah I Paschal em.
• 1:06:19
  Sell em. Yeah so this is the scene this
• 1:06:21
  is why I'm soon as this is I think this should have been with
• 1:06:23
  a song. This feels very much like
• 1:06:26
  yeseong should be popping up here.
• 1:06:27
  It's all I shouldn't work back. Well no, it'll be another
• 1:06:31
  element but to be fair, Rivers, been such a big part of this
• 1:06:34
  era. Exactly.
• 1:06:35
  Not part of this last story is afoot Zara Mission.
• 1:06:40
  I mean, we're going to do a whole other podcast on my
• 1:06:43
  thoughts on River song. But ultimately, I do feel that
• 1:06:47
  there is a river song, Holy and that would fill it in.
• 1:06:49
  And with rubber song, just popped up at the Tardis because
• 1:06:52
  Is that lane is for River Song, you know, you know flying the
• 1:06:56
  Tardis is easy, it's always been flying.
• 1:06:57
  The doctor that's been a problem that is such a river song line
• 1:07:02
  and intimidate lines. Like there's a river song, Hull.
• 1:07:06
  All right. I'm not taking the bait.
• 1:07:10
  Continue looking for the bit. That's what it is.
• 1:07:20
  All this is kind of sweet as well and making the toy and I
• 1:07:25
  think the crack is light in the room, isn't it?
• 1:07:28
  Yeah, yeah. Oh god.
• 1:07:30
  Oh look at him. She gently reminds me of
• 1:07:33
  remember that. That weird / v.
• 1:07:36
  S, mr. Grace from, are you being so,
• 1:07:39
  and Out mr. Grace died.
• 1:07:42
  That's the real. Looks like we still have any
• 1:07:45
  ponds classes, isn't you? Oh, that's sweet.
• 1:07:47
  I like that. And in fact, you know what,
• 1:07:48
  it's, it's a bit unfortunate for Clara when a becomes low at the
• 1:07:52
  end and steals the moment. But if Amy had not been in this,
• 1:07:56
  now they're very strange. A mission.
• 1:08:00
  Yeah. He's with him.
• 1:08:03
  But you know what this is, I gots a phrase that this sequence
• 1:08:05
  in the second near where he climbs, Atop The Tower with his
• 1:08:09
  hideous, make up and starts throwing out regeneration and
• 1:08:12
  July some Marvel character destroying diak armies.
• 1:08:16
  I feel this real fun. Yes.
• 1:08:18
  It's my be my least favorite sequence in the entirety.
• 1:08:20
  I mean I was watching this going.
• 1:08:22
  What has happened to this show? What is going on here?
• 1:08:25
  Like, when did the doctor become this?
• 1:08:30
  So it's better be there. Very strange way to, like you
• 1:08:35
  really in the time when it's him and wilf doing the, you know,
• 1:08:40
  the laser peace, now that I can get Beyond, that's a bit of fun.
• 1:08:43
  This is very well, look is making look at this.
• 1:08:46
  Yeah, I can't look at it. I'm sorry.
• 1:08:47
  I'm gonna put me it would just would just go.
• 1:08:49
  And in this case, it's just all just kind of work, you know,
• 1:08:52
  she's virtually on his lap, you know, like Like a grandchild
• 1:08:58
  would be just kind of reading the porno minute.
• 1:09:01
  He's desserts. Have a joke.
• 1:09:03
  I don't get it. It's just give away though.
• 1:09:07
  Babe, I think it's much now, but I've got now, I'm gonna shut up
• 1:09:10
  because you're saying something sweet.
• 1:09:12
  I think it's I'm not going to be tawdry for once.
• 1:09:15
  And the kid comes in at your barnable.
• 1:09:18
  No, I'm not. And it's just like, you're
• 1:09:20
  getting that sort of not real, sort of old age Vibe.
• 1:09:24
  Hmm. I think I wore diapers.
• 1:09:26
  I do. I do wonder if this was the sort
• 1:09:28
  of material that he was a bit. Is this how we're going out?
• 1:09:33
  Yeah, being this horrible make up this horrible latex.
• 1:09:38
  It's I do. I get it and I get what he's
• 1:09:41
  trying to do, and he's trying to suggest that the doctor is this
• 1:09:45
  one. It's like the opposite of what
• 1:09:47
  was done with David Tennant, when they turned into, just
• 1:09:49
  horrible time, lord Victorious is wiped out Gallifreyan.
• 1:09:53
  Now, he can do whatever the fuck he wants with time and he's
• 1:09:55
  horrible beast and he's got to be killed for it.
• 1:09:58
  And that Smith instead is a lovely cuddly, sweet Doctor Who
• 1:10:01
  isn't saying this town and save all these children from all the
• 1:10:05
  moms, because that's what he does.
• 1:10:06
  It's like, you know what? What makes the eleventh doctor?
• 1:10:12
  We generally it is all the age. It sounds wonderful sentiment.
• 1:10:16
  Yeah, I think it is executed appallingly.
• 1:10:19
  He hot, I don't disagree. I think, you know with with
• 1:10:23
  spent this you know way saying like I haven't had that
• 1:10:26
  connection with the characters to miss them.
• 1:10:28
  It's because the story is how many characters he's saved the
• 1:10:33
  factors that he's spent decades and centuries in this one place
• 1:10:37
  doing this one thing, which is Ending this planet.
• 1:10:40
  It's not just you know this planet is defended, there you
• 1:10:43
  go. After Fender dictionary by give
• 1:10:45
  us a ring you know if the come back and I'll pop back in the
• 1:10:48
  Tardis, he is literally just there and you know the traveling
• 1:10:52
  stops You know, the journey through all the time space stops
• 1:10:57
  for me. Even though I just went on one
• 1:10:59
  planet, I didn't feel anything watching this is when handles
• 1:11:03
  dies are their wife and their, oh, God is, that was really,
• 1:11:08
  really sad. But you know what?
• 1:11:09
  Like I think maybe this is him pushing the emotion too much.
• 1:11:15
  They had. And so that is live because
• 1:11:17
  empower, the doctor when she comes to that conclusion, that
• 1:11:21
  the power of the lottery is her friends and they share that.
• 1:11:24
  Very, very understated. Seeing review as on top of the
• 1:11:27
  TARDIS and that wonderfully, kind of moment where she sends
• 1:11:31
  off that weird alien. And that her last act before she
• 1:11:35
  regenerates, is one of kindness, and then she goes on top, that
• 1:11:38
  cliff and says, Rye, come on, bring it on.
• 1:11:42
  That emotion is so finely judged and sand in typical, Christian
• 1:11:48
  or style. It's very understated.
• 1:11:50
  Yes, it's sort of really made me sad and Where this is all?
• 1:11:55
  Yo, on top of the tower shooting out the energy is it's too much.
• 1:12:02
  What's in complete contrast? You know I watched we watched
• 1:12:05
  them just the last sort of like 10 minutes before we start the
• 1:12:07
  coordinator really struck home with me.
• 1:12:10
  You know, we've got the scene where Clauses talking to the
• 1:12:12
  wall and you know the crack has been doing that awful thing of
• 1:12:18
  Doctor Who Doctor Who which is kind of the theme of C7, you
• 1:12:26
  know, it's is introduced at the end of CCS.
• 1:12:28
  That is the famous series, I as well.
• 1:12:30
  Am I good man? Doctor Who, but know, the name
• 1:12:34
  of the doctor. What is the doctor's name?
• 1:12:36
  Specifically? Because, you know, you have the
• 1:12:38
  end of Series 6 where it's you've got mold of our good
• 1:12:41
  Doctor Who Doctor Who and that's, you know, you have the
• 1:12:43
  Snowman where it's like Doctor Who and it's a running theme
• 1:12:47
  talking of the Daleks all saying dr.
• 1:12:48
  Ho dr. Ho exactly who is Doctor, Who is
• 1:12:53
  the Doctor in. This is the point where that
• 1:12:56
  comes to its conclusion that scene with Clara against that
• 1:13:01
  wall, just go and meet, you're asking the wrong question
• 1:13:06
  Doctor, Who it is, just the doctor, that's who he is, and
• 1:13:09
  that's what he does. And that really just, but I do
• 1:13:13
  believe that is established in the name of the dog.
• 1:13:15
  So, you know that it's not it. This is repeated here in name of
• 1:13:18
  the doctor. He says, I did it in the name of
• 1:13:21
  the oxides. He said, and then you have the
• 1:13:24
  Day of the Doctor where you have drawn her to is not the doctor
• 1:13:28
  because these are called, say, because I'm actually gonna say
• 1:13:31
  so positive about this horrific scene and the bit where the
• 1:13:35
  energy goes in here, but he looks surprised because whoo,
• 1:13:38
  that's really funny. That's really, really fun.
• 1:13:41
  Now, this be a vaccine where he's screaming his head off.
• 1:13:43
  I'm like, what is happening here?
• 1:13:46
  It's, it's his hero moment, isn't it?
• 1:13:48
  It's kinda like, yeah. He's, you know what, though he
• 1:13:52
  did it bear on top of Stonehenge.
• 1:13:57
  Different. The spaghetti Hollywood actors
• 1:14:00
  watching him in that scene. You remember, it was it we
• 1:14:03
  watched him and not saying the said he was absolutely
• 1:14:04
  astonishing. The fella from lala land.
• 1:14:09
  Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, Ryan Reynolds.
• 1:14:11
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and now he's wearing a
• 1:14:15
  suit. He got while teach work but he's
• 1:14:16
  a big Doctor Who fan. Why was that not him?
• 1:14:20
  That my Reynolds. I thought it was.
• 1:14:23
  Who you think enough? Someone else.
• 1:14:26
  Okay about, who's the other Ryan?
• 1:14:29
  Ryan Phillippe. Oh man.
• 1:14:31
  He was my sexual Awakening. Now, Ryan's Lon Ryan, Gosling.
• 1:14:35
  I'll maybe was wrong glasses on because all the Ryan's are
• 1:14:37
  Doctor Who fans. You know, I gotta say though,
• 1:14:41
  they went with this silhouette of a Dalek in the dark with the
• 1:14:44
  blue light. It looks very creepy.
• 1:14:47
  Yeah. Almost.
• 1:14:48
  See it all when he's screaming at the Daleks come and get it.
• 1:14:52
  That's just how he did it bear in the Rings.
• 1:14:55
  Back at in, take it all baby. I love that saying.
• 1:15:00
  I think you know the the the bit before you get to the pixie dust
• 1:15:03
  where he's kind of you know he's resigned to the fact that this
• 1:15:07
  is it that he's gonna die and he's the dark.
• 1:15:09
  Yeah, just do conch me. Can you you know, the he's got
• 1:15:13
  such a even ask good accident. Yeah, I think he's getting that
• 1:15:17
  angry side across his. Yeah.
• 1:15:19
  I think your brain and this I think for all that year but he's
• 1:15:22
  not happy with these material ever.
• 1:15:24
  He's I think he's giving a hundred and fifty percent there.
• 1:15:31
  Is that possible? I'm not sure.
• 1:15:34
  Oh, I do like a flaming Dalek, you know, in the wreckage they
• 1:15:38
  did that a lot of Day of the Doctor and they didn't either
• 1:15:41
  the Daleks as well, after that actually went up to Jon
• 1:15:45
  pertwee's hairdryer one of the models of the Daleks and see
• 1:15:49
  them. So now I'm gonna say right, I
• 1:15:56
  don't really like these long speeches that the doctors have
• 1:16:01
  before they regenerate and I seem to be the way now.
• 1:16:03
  So refreshing, where Jodie Whittaker just went or what my
• 1:16:06
  their season next also. Know.
• 1:16:08
  I was like great no speech and there's a couple D1 feel like it
• 1:16:12
  went on for the length of a Bible but it was good, it went
• 1:16:17
  on but it was there was a moment when she emerged over when a
• 1:16:21
  fantastic you know. But I do think, I think this is
• 1:16:26
  his the he saved the best for last here.
• 1:16:28
  But his performance in this scene is really, really strong
• 1:16:32
  and yeah average a good job and doing this scene, he's the guy
• 1:16:36
  who does the math Smith impressions in plays him for big
• 1:16:38
  finish as well. It's going on I'll send you the
• 1:16:43
  link. but this, this whole scene is just absolutely Divine and
• 1:16:52
  the music, You Know, the music just the script in the
• 1:16:55
  performances, the direction, everything is just absolutely
• 1:16:59
  spot-on. With a show.
• 1:17:01
  I love Daniel. The music when Capaldi comes in
• 1:17:03
  as well. It's like dude.
• 1:17:04
  Yeah. Dude.
• 1:17:09
  Yeah, I think this is the best scene.
• 1:17:10
  This is probably the best thing in the whole of Time of the
• 1:17:12
  Doctor is this. So, which is your favorite last
• 1:17:18
  seen for a doctor then. Oh, I don't like David Tennant's
• 1:17:24
  that are I don't want to go. I'll bugger off.
• 1:17:28
  It's probably Jodi whiskers. I really love that and in fact
• 1:17:30
  if as rumored that was going to be the last scene ever of Doctor
• 1:17:34
  Who her on that Cliff thrown out that energy.
• 1:17:38
  That's all rainbow energy. Ma'am man, I love that to be the
• 1:17:41
  ending of Doctor Who I think this is, this is up there, this
• 1:17:46
  is. This is just brilliant because,
• 1:17:49
  you know, you've had very self-congratulatory ones up
• 1:17:54
  until this point, you've had them for Cycles.
• 1:17:56
  Daniel, you were fantastic. But you know what?
• 1:17:58
  So was I okay. At least I'll pat on the back,
• 1:18:01
  you've had. You know what?
• 1:18:01
  That? No, no way.
• 1:18:02
  But that was introducing the idea of a regeneration.
• 1:18:05
  Yeah. When you group of kids, who
• 1:18:07
  probably not get the concept at that point, you know, it's it's
• 1:18:11
  a very simple, very strict, but sort of Just.
• 1:18:14
  Yeah. And then you have David Tennant,
• 1:18:17
  who goes on his Grand to our of everything before he doesn't
• 1:18:21
  want to go. I just don't like the end of it.
• 1:18:24
  I love all the grand tour but not the end bit and then you get
• 1:18:27
  this, we all change. When you think about it, were
• 1:18:29
  all different people. All through our lives and I'm
• 1:18:32
  never going to forget one. Lined of this, I will always
• 1:18:37
  remember when the doctor was me. I'll always be grateful
• 1:18:40
  exercise. You want to forget it.
• 1:18:41
  I'll tell you. You might want to forget the
• 1:18:45
  episode, but you don't want to forget Matt Smith, not when he's
• 1:18:48
  given material like this. And not when he's on this form
• 1:18:51
  because it's just, it's absolutely gorgeous.
• 1:18:54
  We are certainly identified as I've done more.
• 1:18:57
  Matt Smith colleges, I did I found called Mercy with sigh.
• 1:19:01
  I just for some of those scenes and I was absolutely brilliant.
• 1:19:04
  Brilliant. Yeah, at his best.
• 1:19:07
  He is stunningly. Good.
• 1:19:10
  Yeah, she comes. Oh, they're both in weeks now.
• 1:19:12
  Are they him an earlier about how is, does look a bit like, a
• 1:19:15
  week than it? But there are no, I like the
• 1:19:19
  people. They touch each other's faces.
• 1:19:21
  All this lovely, good night, or she gets the last time, well,
• 1:19:24
  and up, but well, and up now, Yeah, this is real.
• 1:19:27
  And you know what's great? I'm like, Laura it was great is
• 1:19:32
  when he regenerates it sort of sneezes Danny, it's okay.
• 1:19:35
  And suddenly he's Peter Capaldi because we're so used to these
• 1:19:38
  protracted sort of throwing out the energy here.
• 1:19:42
  I think that's enough, but he's got rid of that bit.
• 1:19:44
  But, yeah, look at our weary is, I just, I just Jesus, I've ever
• 1:19:50
  said that Matt Smith in that makeup was ghoulish, is peeing.
• 1:19:53
  Olie Call you with these a taco Bros.
• 1:19:58
  I Sprint. I teach you know what?
• 1:20:00
  I do. Adore Capaldi as the doctor.
• 1:20:02
  Yeah. Kidneys.
• 1:20:08
  We're probably crash. You just one thing freezer, do
• 1:20:14
  you happen to know how to fly this thing?
• 1:20:18
  What's up, laughing now? Oh, I'm going out on a good note
• 1:20:22
  yet. Although, I'm going to say this
• 1:20:24
  to you, the, you know, because obviously it's very dreary when
• 1:20:28
  David Tennant, the cameras pan in on him and he's all know
• 1:20:31
  where to go, and then he regenerates and all that place.
• 1:20:34
  Yeah, stress. Well, I'll tell you what that
• 1:20:36
  first bit with Matt Smith is what the most delightful seen
• 1:20:39
  ever, isn't it? Not yet.
• 1:20:41
  I mean, I liked David Tennant's regeneration.
• 1:20:44
  I think that's suited his doctor and I think it's a mystery.
• 1:20:49
  If, but he was very narcissistic misery, wasn't he?
• 1:20:54
  Yeah. It's a very, yeah, you have the
• 1:20:57
  ego and that was the kind of ego, and I love that Russell,
• 1:21:00
  play it at that. And again, you know, when I was
• 1:21:04
  talking about, you know, Steven Moffat has docked and things and
• 1:21:07
  pushes Us in directions that we don't necessarily want to be
• 1:21:10
  pushed Russell did that with end of time, you know, we don't want
• 1:21:13
  a doctor who was all of a sudden, you know, seriously,
• 1:21:16
  contemplating, even Bernard cribbins in a shed full of
• 1:21:21
  radiation. We want Tim to be the heroes
• 1:21:23
  that I have that moment where that's in doubt and he's kind of
• 1:21:26
  real and against what you have to do, you know, he's going to
• 1:21:28
  do it, but just have that moment of, you know, I could have done
• 1:21:32
  so much more and it's always To be you will for has to be you
• 1:21:35
  and find it. So amusing, you know that they
• 1:21:38
  actually go down the route of David Tennant's doctor having so
• 1:21:43
  much Chris, he actually believes, he is as amazing as
• 1:21:47
  all those fans out there for David Tennant was to a point
• 1:21:51
  where he's unlikable. I thought that was a really bold
• 1:21:54
  direction to take absolutely and you know, how many, how many
• 1:21:57
  people are worse, would have been sitting there.
• 1:22:00
  You know when he says that like I don't want the girl how many
• 1:22:02
  people are just going to. Uncle may need, and then back
• 1:22:06
  for day, the doctor again, again, for looking a bit like,
• 1:22:12
  Matt Smith at the end of this story.
• 1:22:14
  I'm sure. Well, I mean people are not
• 1:22:17
  going to everyone looks the, the makeup of the super old doctor.
• 1:22:20
  But is it any worse than old tenant in soy sauce rice at
• 1:22:26
  nobody? I've been watching Star Trek
• 1:22:28
  episodes recently where they've been agent up people.
• 1:22:31
  Nobody can do it. They just, can't they just Each
• 1:22:34
  up people convincingly. There's a slap on it.
• 1:22:38
  It's like people's heads mutate. It's a motive, bizarre effect.
• 1:22:42
  Well, I'm just going to see. I think it works.
• 1:22:44
  I think it's effective. He looks old.
• 1:22:47
  Then you look super world and I think it's an even when he's got
• 1:22:51
  the super old makeup on, I think he still likes you given us
• 1:22:56
  those bits because this is the, this is the point and he's You
• 1:23:00
  guys in it where people are so nice to us folder and in that
• 1:23:02
  folder phoning it in waves oldest Flappy wrists and quirks.
• 1:23:08
  A lot going on in series 7. There is but that's his doctors.
• 1:23:12
  Will you not going to? He's never not going to have you
• 1:23:14
  know flap. Yes it's like expecting.
• 1:23:19
  You know, David Tennant, not to see, I'm sorry, or you did or
• 1:23:21
  how Peter Capaldi, not to be a little bit sarcastic.
• 1:23:24
  Someone is do that and part of their count, that's always going
• 1:23:26
  to be there. But there's so much more the so
• 1:23:28
  much more going on in that episode than just, you know,
• 1:23:33
  quite what's weird is I think like with Tenon.
• 1:23:36
  He comes along and he gets probably the ultimate hero
• 1:23:39
  moment at the end of the Christmas Invasion where he
• 1:23:41
  comes out and does his thing. And yes, I used the world and
• 1:23:45
  all of that and he's absolutely, I'd this is the doctor is the
• 1:23:48
  Loot ultimate hero and then Davies is so interesting that he
• 1:23:55
  basically makes him. The villain come the end of his
• 1:23:58
  Reign by having him turn into this time.
• 1:24:01
  Lord Victorious, who is basically the rules of time of
• 1:24:04
  mind. I'm going to do whatever I want.
• 1:24:06
  He's basically the bad guy and that's why he's got a regenerate
• 1:24:08
  at that point because he's gone off a cliff with masp.
• 1:24:12
  If I think he started off as absolute peak in series 5, like
• 1:24:17
  he's at his If right is fully formed, I think he probably
• 1:24:21
  gives one of his best performances in his very first
• 1:24:24
  acting in Doctor Who, which is time of angels, on flesh and
• 1:24:27
  stone. He's really annoying that.
• 1:24:30
  I mean, it is on, is a essentially, make him a bit of a
• 1:24:33
  parody of himself and they don't push him in New Directions,
• 1:24:38
  That's was annoying. I think he finds the directions
• 1:24:42
  himself and I think, you know, he's written the way he's
• 1:24:44
  written, and he finds his doctor within that rating and their
• 1:24:48
  hand. You know, sigh heart or says
• 1:24:51
  that following the first series, following sort of Christmas too
• 1:24:56
  cold. You know, he's put the other
• 1:24:58
  noises success and the writers write to what he's doing, which
• 1:25:02
  is always the case. I mean, I'll always said that
• 1:25:04
  Peter Capaldi in season 8 is written as Malcolm Tucker and
• 1:25:07
  not yeah not Doctor Who and the other Cleo's as it goes along.
• 1:25:12
  And so I think you know what the writing is doing is probably
• 1:25:16
  lean and more into the sort of infantile.
• 1:25:18
  Beside him, and he's having to work harder to get those those
• 1:25:23
  moments out of there. You look at God complex where
• 1:25:27
  he's having a kind of really bring it down in the face of
• 1:25:30
  dealing with Williams character. You look at Journey to the
• 1:25:33
  Centre of the TARDIS where starts off very, you know,
• 1:25:40
  cliche 11, dr. All you know, excitable and
• 1:25:44
  quirky and floppy risks in the minute, the Tardis door shut, he
• 1:25:47
  spins round and you see, He goes the Van Valen but that's right.
• 1:25:50
  Your mind no bitches we're going to go and find Clara and he
• 1:25:52
  brings it right down. Well was I sobbing I'll say he's
• 1:25:56
  doing some very heavy lifting indeed.
• 1:25:58
  Yeah it does you know he's he's got a public troughton quality
• 1:26:03
  of being a nigger but the Carrie when everything else is isn't
• 1:26:06
  quite gone on behind the scenes your he can carry the story, he
• 1:26:10
  is always going to be someone that you're going to be there
• 1:26:11
  the lock up and go. Okay?
• 1:26:14
  You're the psycho is out there. Maybe he's you know what?
• 1:26:17
  I'm going to development. Of the company, as much as 1,
• 1:26:20
  but we have got a doctor who is always interesting and engaging
• 1:26:25
  and entertaining. Unlike the end of the 11:00
• 1:26:30
  hour, I am not going to contradict you there because I
• 1:26:33
  think that's a good sentiment before we go into questions and
• 1:26:36
  three or nine hundred things that we love about this story.
• 1:26:40
  That is a good place to end the commentary path is.
• 1:26:43
  And for a second I very quickly just gonna have to wait on a bug
• 1:26:47
  up in Right. So we have got two questions.
• 1:26:53
  People, you know, how I like to go and ask the hand farm and
• 1:26:56
  everyone else out there. If they've got any thoughts on
• 1:26:59
  this story or any questions? So where we are?
• 1:27:04
  So short. Ah lovely Joe I'll beat your
• 1:27:08
  ass. What color do you think?
• 1:27:09
  The doctors new kidneys are the same color as the six doctor's
• 1:27:17
  coat? Well, I was going to say tart
• 1:27:20
  and so we'll go with that. She does said I would happily
• 1:27:23
  help you like Polly. Find out.
• 1:27:25
  Oh, Jolly Jack Koya. If you could replace Matt,
• 1:27:36
  Smith's regular doctor with an old man version in one of his
• 1:27:39
  existing stories, which one would you pick and why?
• 1:27:44
  Well, I've got a recast Matt Smith in one of his stories with
• 1:27:46
  an older actor, know the old. So they could the, the or doctor
• 1:27:51
  with a super all doctor? Which one would you then?
• 1:27:52
  Put into another Matt Smith story?
• 1:27:56
  I'm slightly confused, can you ask this question because I
• 1:27:59
  don't quite get it. So I would put the super old
• 1:28:02
  Matt Smith into the God complex. Oh, I see.
• 1:28:06
  I get a question. That's what I have.
• 1:28:07
  That old doctor in that story because I think having that old
• 1:28:12
  doctor sort of creeping around That hotel.
• 1:28:14
  And you know, when it's all about that, your biggest fears
• 1:28:17
  and whatnot, I think that would, because not very action-packed.
• 1:28:20
  That was, well, he doesn't have to do any sort of like, physical
• 1:28:23
  physical stuff. The sue you tell everybody was
• 1:28:27
  that creepy old Matt Smith in are more stories.
• 1:28:33
  Okay, I'm gonna put him in 2000 the Snowman because he's sort of
• 1:28:40
  a bit tired of the universe, isn't he?
• 1:28:43
  And a bit sort of solid in the first half of that.
• 1:28:48
  I think he probably would, the old leaven structural work well,
• 1:28:52
  in a choice as well. Mmm, Yeah, it's like, you know,
• 1:28:57
  the dream Lord is making. You know what the doctor told
• 1:29:01
  that sort of thing. I mean, all the one I couldn't
• 1:29:03
  put him in something like the launcher where he's supposed to
• 1:29:06
  be young and pretty, and it hurts, how you don't want to see
• 1:29:09
  that? They are.
• 1:29:10
  No, you don't. Hmm, what else?
• 1:29:14
  They've run. Here we go.
• 1:29:15
  Dear for any human or or us? And I think the last 10 minutes
• 1:29:21
  is arguably the most exciting. 10 minutes since the shore came
• 1:29:23
  back or is very strange, man. Go on.
• 1:29:26
  He's got a point, but should the doctor have Fully regenerated on
• 1:29:30
  the clock tower. Oh no.
• 1:29:35
  Oh God. No, I wouldn't want to go out
• 1:29:37
  and that bit know. I think every generation is weak
• 1:29:41
  and needs to be honest. I was in a way for the next
• 1:29:42
  story to pick up. Well, not just that, you know,
• 1:29:44
  your have the explosion, you get rid of the Daleks with the
• 1:29:47
  Regeneration energy, but then you need that stew.
• 1:29:49
  You need that last final scene, that, you know, lovely bit of
• 1:29:55
  not forgetting one lane, you'd miss all that really.
• 1:29:58
  So we get that marvelous bit and deep breath, where the
• 1:30:01
  Tyrannosaurus Rex. Coughs upper time-traveling
• 1:30:04
  furball and thirdly to being the tallest for that gag to land.
• 1:30:08
  Yeah, Jason Thompson. Oh yeah, Jason yeah.
• 1:30:13
  Apparently the plan was a full season on trenzalore but Matt
• 1:30:16
  Smith wanted out earlier than that.
• 1:30:18
  Hence it all being crammed into one episode.
• 1:30:20
  Is that true? I don't know whose this sauces
• 1:30:24
  Jason who are your sources. Do you think a full season would
• 1:30:29
  have been better made more sense and added more weight to the
• 1:30:32
  eventual, but regeneration. Yes.
• 1:30:36
  And in fact, they did Tales of trenzalore book, didn't they?
• 1:30:39
  Where they where they told short stories set for out his time on
• 1:30:45
  trenzalore God, that would have been a really interesting idea
• 1:30:49
  if that had gone down that road, I'm going to say no and we'll
• 1:30:53
  your food. You contrary get, I think a full
• 1:30:55
  season on trends at all would just be born.
• 1:30:59
  Think how many episodes would you actually get through of the
• 1:31:03
  Cyberman attack? Chris.
• 1:31:04
  Amos and I defeated maybe like a condensed six episodes, like
• 1:31:08
  flocks. Will that work again, you know,
• 1:31:10
  you're still going to be kind of like we're seeing the same thing
• 1:31:13
  essentially, I mean it's not easy.
• 1:31:17
  As if you could even do like John Pertwee season 7, you know,
• 1:31:23
  and mix the stories up. This going to use scope for
• 1:31:25
  interesting stories, there is going to be lat.
• 1:31:29
  That's Justin bit of imagine. I would like to thank see
• 1:31:32
  potentially would again, sorry. So that's just that limited
• 1:31:37
  imagination there. I could tell a few stories on
• 1:31:39
  trans law. Yeah.
• 1:31:40
  But I'll have my weeping angels in the snow story.
• 1:31:45
  You would you will notice team quite quickly, though.
• 1:31:50
  So Daniel night. Similarly as said his us would
• 1:31:54
  this work better as a two-parter or should this have been a two
• 1:31:58
  part of? Again I just think there's not
• 1:31:59
  enough not unlike what does there is myself a nemesis?
• 1:32:03
  Yeah yeah there ain't enough to make up the episode link that
• 1:32:07
  we've got is already filling it full of fluff.
• 1:32:10
  What I think I would like thought is what a big nice would
• 1:32:14
  be another season between Day of the Doctor in this.
• 1:32:18
  So, if they'd had another season of Matt and Clara, this would
• 1:32:21
  be, yeah, you would have then had that time to sort of build
• 1:32:28
  up the character of claro, a bit more throwing a bit more, you
• 1:32:31
  could have had more scenes with non, if you really wanted that
• 1:32:33
  sort of thing. Yeah, I love all those.
• 1:32:36
  What ifs bar? I would sacrifice That season.
• 1:32:39
  We've come over here. Caldwell.
• 1:32:41
  Oh no cause I envisioned know I'd, but I think in a they are
• 1:32:45
  on fire. So I think this is, this is the
• 1:32:48
  end in that Moffat, always wanted.
• 1:32:49
  I think there's probably elements that had to be changed
• 1:32:52
  around, you know, maybe is Tasha Lem has had to come in because
• 1:32:55
  Allah Kingston wasn't available. So that's element as had to be
• 1:32:58
  successful. Like, that should be River Song,
• 1:32:59
  doesn't it? Yeah.
• 1:33:01
  But I do feel like, you know, the idea of them, Ending his
• 1:33:07
  reign as the doctor, you know on a planet where I was having to
• 1:33:11
  stay in, he's having to defend it for centuries.
• 1:33:13
  I think that was always moffatt's plan.
• 1:33:16
  I think he's just kind of, you know you the bones of what you
• 1:33:19
  want to do is always been their knees.
• 1:33:21
  Just have to kind of mold like the latex on Matt Smith's face.
• 1:33:25
  It just like the loot Exxon must Smith's first.
• 1:33:26
  Yes, grew out of all proportions and Daniel nacre.
• 1:33:30
  He's on to see is the coat of Tasha.
• 1:33:32
  Lem a billion M version of River Song?
• 1:33:34
  Yes, we have already. Just this and come to the
• 1:33:37
  conclusion that. Well, she basically is nothing,
• 1:33:41
  the Tardis and shoot. So yeah, she is.
• 1:33:43
  And why can't the Daleks in this?
• 1:33:45
  And a Day of the Doctor actually exterminate anyone because he'd
• 1:33:49
  a muffin never has them exterminate anybody another
• 1:33:52
  experiment? Anyone because none of course
• 1:33:54
  the Never Going extremely the doctor because then this shows
• 1:33:56
  finished in it. So that's why I like to achieve
• 1:33:58
  new came in. He had that darling, come along
• 1:34:00
  a resolution and you killed a whole bunch of people and they
• 1:34:02
  were suddenly very scary again. Yeah, we'll put the Space
• 1:34:06
  reasons. Daniel, you can cover a lot of
• 1:34:11
  sins that you know. Yeah, this is one from guys.
• 1:34:14
  Don't recognize the name Simon heart, is that?
• 1:34:19
  I don't know, let's see handsome, handsome and of
• 1:34:22
  looking fella but I don't recognize he's very intelligent
• 1:34:25
  and incisive or just a bit dull. Come on, the serum.
• 1:34:29
  Did this story really need to jump through hoops?
• 1:34:31
  To answer every lingering question from the Matt Smith,
• 1:34:34
  you are now. I don't think see, I don't think
• 1:34:38
  it does those jump through hoops.
• 1:34:41
  I think the Hoops are positioned there as in when you need them.
• 1:34:47
  So that when the story is itself progressing, there's a hoop
• 1:34:50
  there that you can then jump through and see all this
• 1:34:52
  explains this in this explain that and that explains the
• 1:34:55
  other. I would have been happy with an
• 1:34:58
  exploration of Amy's crack, rather than that enormous,
• 1:35:02
  Exposition seen the way they're just a crack and the time Lords
• 1:35:05
  and that would probably would have been enough for me.
• 1:35:07
  Yeah yeah. I don't think we needed to tie
• 1:35:09
  the The Croc to the God complex. That was certainly.
• 1:35:12
  I'll know and as you we were skipping Over that.
• 1:35:15
  That's a bit annoying that we saw what was in there, wasn't
• 1:35:17
  it? Yeah, I think that works better
• 1:35:19
  than not knowing what the doctors sometimes less is.
• 1:35:21
  More less is more, so that felt a bit agree.
• 1:35:24
  Just bought them otherwise egregious.
• 1:35:27
  Yes impressing you with that way.
• 1:35:30
  A dictionary for next Christmas immediately.
• 1:35:34
  But now I think is the explanations for me felt like
• 1:35:37
  the will come in at a good point in the story, and that just
• 1:35:42
  leaves us, I believe with Stephon Alexander who was asked
• 1:35:46
  a few questions and is wrinkly old doctors who still naked
• 1:35:49
  apart from his Holograms. Oh well hope not.
• 1:35:53
  Well this is seen as in the where Clara put clothes on it.
• 1:35:55
  So I'm going to assume that the doctor puts clothes on at the
• 1:35:57
  same time as climate playing I didn't even last scene of Matt
• 1:35:59
  Smith young naked so I don't want no no let's just not go
• 1:36:04
  there wasn't it great to see Eddie the bomb and from hustle
• 1:36:08
  in Doctor Who will see you this. Don't really watch Russell.
• 1:36:13
  So I'm gonna edit the bombers wonderful.
• 1:36:16
  They'll basically hang out in his bar.
• 1:36:19
  Yeah, and they do tricks every episode there.
• 1:36:21
  Somehow managed to get free drinks for the entire Seven
• 1:36:23
  Seasons By Doing various tricks on him.
• 1:36:26
  He's a wonderful care. I'm think he might have been the
• 1:36:29
  fellow who's with Tessa Peak Jones, you know.
• 1:36:31
  It. Yeah.
• 1:36:33
  Yes. It was marvelous see if they,
• 1:36:34
  which gives it was wonderful because after a fantastic use of
• 1:36:36
  exceptional, support and cast as we've discussed.
• 1:36:40
  Yes. And the last I'm going to leave
• 1:36:41
  until you to you, which is why does Moffitt have to write such
• 1:36:45
  crap? Well, I don't think he always
• 1:36:47
  does, right? Crap.
• 1:36:48
  Sorry. Steve and I hate to disagree and
• 1:36:50
  I love descriptors for my favorite things to do, but
• 1:36:54
  though I think that I have said several times lately and its
• 1:36:59
  best Steven Moffat is the best Doctor Who writer.
• 1:37:04
  You're not think, I certainly think the work he did under
• 1:37:07
  Rusty Davis, is some of the best ever Doctor.
• 1:37:11
  Who it's not my favorite stories in my, I've got a quilt next
• 1:37:14
  door made by Miles. Her off of our top 20 stories
• 1:37:18
  and it's plastered with Steven Moffat episodes, so I don't go
• 1:37:22
  as far as crab know, I do think that maybe when he's not being
• 1:37:29
  overseen are both in there, was anyone not the script editors?
• 1:37:33
  Not the producers because they were coming and going through a
• 1:37:36
  revolving door. You will be erased from Doctor
• 1:37:38
  Who old Carol Skinner are any, anybody was looking over his
• 1:37:45
  work like Julie, Of not and Phil Collins and Will Davis and
• 1:37:48
  saying, you know what, that's a bit much.
• 1:37:51
  So I think at times he was self-indulgent and he had
• 1:37:55
  godhood syndrome, and he took things a bit too far, so, but I
• 1:38:01
  do think he's a good enough, right either.
• 1:38:04
  Even in episodes that I really dislike like this, there's just
• 1:38:07
  things are good. They're still good dialogue, you
• 1:38:10
  know, they're still good a fairly good structure to it.
• 1:38:14
  I absolutely I can you. Can't nobody likes.
• 1:38:17
  Even you cannot write off somebody with that much talent.
• 1:38:22
  No, I think I agree. I think he is, you know, hands
• 1:38:26
  down the best of the new series regulars with hard.
• 1:38:29
  I think he's probably the best rate I love hard.
• 1:38:32
  And certainly since Bob, Holmes, him and Bob Holmes already up
• 1:38:36
  there was as the top talent in late.
• 1:38:39
  You see, even if he's not writing a story that you're
• 1:38:41
  enjoying, them is still elements in there that you are going to
• 1:38:45
  enjoy, doesn't hit them all 100% of hundred percent of the time
• 1:38:48
  but whoever does, you know, I'll you know, quite happy.
• 1:38:52
  If I was that inclined. I could pick as many holes in
• 1:38:55
  his writing as I can with Christians, as I can with It was
• 1:39:01
  40 DB he's you know Joe I think there's something in there you
• 1:39:04
  know, of wherever your preference is.
• 1:39:06
  Yeah the opposing Riot the showrunners.
• 1:39:10
  We actually look for more floors.
• 1:39:14
  Yeah. It's a very old Affair.
• 1:39:17
  You know, honestly and well should we do our free apiece for
• 1:39:22
  no.3? Go on.
• 1:39:23
  Then I'm going to choose a scene staff with if I go first
• 1:39:41
  I'm going to choose the scene where the angels are coming out
• 1:39:43
  of the site because I think is very well executed and it sort
• 1:39:47
  of a moment of tension in an episode where I don't feel any
• 1:39:51
  real tension. Yeah, classic really great
• 1:39:53
  moment. Who directed this one?
• 1:39:55
  We've done that. We'll talk about that.
• 1:39:57
  She's I want, I don't know. I don't know you will find out
• 1:40:04
  that M gravel saying you're one right?
• 1:40:07
  Okay. And if you can pick a see then
• 1:40:10
  I'm going to pick a scene which is going to be the Regeneration
• 1:40:12
  scene because Mexico getting them back in the Tardis and
• 1:40:17
  given me that opportunity to have he's probably speech which
• 1:40:22
  doesn't go on too long and it is absolutely fantastic.
• 1:40:25
  It's a cracker. I just think it hits the mark so
• 1:40:28
  well. Emotionally spent.
• 1:40:30
  Especially after the other tenant who didn't want to go.
• 1:40:33
  You don't have a have the doctor, a sort of acceptance of,
• 1:40:36
  you know? Yes, I'm going to change.
• 1:40:39
  I'm going to be someone new but I've loved my time as the doctor
• 1:40:44
  and I will never forget that you know really kind of resonates
• 1:40:47
  and yeah literally just watching it five minutes ago so watch out
• 1:40:51
  of my eye. Is a fantastic saying is so
• 1:40:54
  well-acted. It's directly by Jamie pain.
• 1:41:00
  I'm not sure if he directed any others, but I do think like
• 1:41:03
  Jesus Christ. Maddie had a hell of a fucking
• 1:41:05
  Christmas cake to put together ear and even had a fair stab.
• 1:41:10
  I think the comedies a bit overwrought and that ending on
• 1:41:13
  the tower is somewhere in the stratosphere, but there's some
• 1:41:18
  good imagery in it, you know, it spicy.
• 1:41:20
  It's visually interesting to look at.
• 1:41:24
  So my second thing is going to be the character of grand.
• 1:41:28
  Unfortunately. She never gets an item.
• 1:41:31
  She's just Grand. I love, she can read.
• 1:41:35
  And I feel like in an episode where the emotion doesn't hit
• 1:41:39
  for me, that even where she talks about her husband, but I
• 1:41:45
  think Spar style. All right?
• 1:41:47
  Yeah, yeah. It's a genuine that it's like a
• 1:41:51
  miniature Ossie Davis episode for a second.
• 1:41:55
  It hits me in that scene. There's only two named courage.
• 1:41:59
  Has Clara and Linda. Oh wow.
• 1:42:06
  Back in aerosol territory, it's Grand and Dad.
• 1:42:13
  What's your next one? Well, okay, if we're talking
• 1:42:15
  about the motion, then I'm going to Google for the moment where
• 1:42:20
  Clara speaks to the crack in the wall.
• 1:42:23
  And convinces them that the doctor is needs to be saved or
• 1:42:29
  the pixie dust comes from there. So I think I've got really good
• 1:42:32
  movement of X here that You know, cops off that about whole
• 1:42:41
  thread that were powered through all of seven of Doctor Who, you
• 1:42:44
  know. It's who is the doctor?
• 1:42:46
  You didn't? You had to do it again?
• 1:42:48
  I did. Yeah.
• 1:42:49
  Who is the doctor? You know?
• 1:42:50
  And that's that's been a theme throughout season. 17 who is The
• 1:42:54
  Doctor? Who is this person?
• 1:42:55
  Not so much. He's named Percy, but who is the
• 1:42:58
  doctor in? It's just sums it up nicely.
• 1:43:01
  You know, you don't need to know his name, you don't need to
• 1:43:03
  know. All you need to know is is what
• 1:43:05
  it does. Was is what the Clippers defines
• 1:43:07
  who he is. It's kind of like a pre-emptive,
• 1:43:10
  the doctor falls. You know, where I stand as,
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  where I fall, you know what I do?
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  This is me and that again, really kind of Hitler's this
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  time around I must hold and the music in that scene as well,
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  that sort of ethereal version of Clara steam.
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  Yeah, is a absolutely wonderful. I mean I was going to be obvious
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  and she's music because I think it's great but I especially love
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  the third of the long song music.
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  Now my third thing is gonna be I'm surprised you didn't take
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  this actually handles because somehow, in face me, feel that
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  handles handles. Yes, in a way that are Frozen as
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  in life. Yeah.
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  And the sequence where handles dies, he's decapitated
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  Survivorman head for god sakes. Yeah, but the way the doctor
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  goes handles. May come on.
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  It breaks your heart. It's really sad.
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  It does it does in its if it is it's finishing off a guard as
• 1:44:28
  well, isn't it? Because it's like he sets up,
• 1:44:30
  there's a guard at the Starbucks like your reminders to patch the
• 1:44:34
  telephone back through the envious.
• 1:44:35
  When just reminders, when it's like just pick a number express,
• 1:44:40
  it as a unit of time and when that Flames done reminders to do
• 1:44:43
  this, you know? And so on that basis, I will
• 1:44:47
  pick the sort comedy element of this is, well, and make sure
• 1:44:52
  there was some really good, you know, sharp comedy writing and I
• 1:44:55
  know you're going to disagree but you know I like I do like
• 1:44:57
  that scene where that the start where should see me we need to
• 1:45:00
  pay me boyfriend and he's like, oh, Coupling.
• 1:45:07
  That's why. Yeah, but it's I think that just
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  highlights, you know, the strength of Steven Moffat, as a
• 1:45:13
  writer that you can, you know, put that dialogue in that just
• 1:45:16
  seems backwards and forwards. And you know, you can eat is a
• 1:45:20
  full of so that it doesn't just write gag.
• 1:45:22
  After the guy, he does, right? Really, and witty and funny
• 1:45:26
  scenes as well. It's the sort of the comedy
• 1:45:29
  element, Lance, for me, as well. I got another one.
• 1:45:36
  Oh yeah, we're gonna keep going. Oh okay.
• 1:45:40
  Oh good grief. I'm prepared anymore.
• 1:45:43
  Let me think could very quickly. Oh yes, turning up for her
• 1:45:50
  single appearance in Doctor. Who?
• 1:45:54
  Yeah, it's like she read two scenes, Tessa Peak Jones.
• 1:45:56
  Once again, I do think they wasted but they're utilized well
• 1:46:01
  for what they have to do. Yeah, and I'll see.
• 1:46:07
  Jenna Coleman. The bad thing is I think, you
• 1:46:12
  know, throughout this one it is more focused on on the code, I
• 1:46:16
  will work than you would get from most of you, Steven Moffat
• 1:46:20
  stories and a lot of that lifting is done by Clara.
• 1:46:25
  You know, she is the one that's kind of like you know, mist
• 1:46:28
  seems precious like talking to the doctor and seeing, you know,
• 1:46:31
  why don't you just go? You know, you just going to die.
• 1:46:33
  If you stay here, you notice leave this, you know, let them
• 1:46:37
  have the planet, let them shut the time.
• 1:46:39
  Nods up, you know, seems like that.
• 1:46:40
  You know, you have the scene where she's, you know, she's
• 1:46:44
  kicked out, the Tardis twice in chance to respond to that and
• 1:46:48
  the scene with Nan, you know where, you know, nouns tell
• 1:46:51
  another Tale in which is just floating up and then her
• 1:46:54
  reaction to the dock regenerating at the end Jenna
• 1:46:58
  Coleman just does superb work throughout you know like we've
• 1:47:01
  discussed even when she's not actually given much to do she I
• 1:47:05
  think I think she had moments for our 7B And then, I think she
• 1:47:09
  got it in Day of the Doctor, like, whatever it is.
• 1:47:13
  The companion, distilled it? Yes, you got it.
• 1:47:18
  And now, from this point on, she can pretty much play any
• 1:47:21
  episode, you know, and deliver. Yeah.
• 1:47:24
  But I do think she flounders abeyance ever be in stores,
• 1:47:27
  like, cold war, and hide, and episodes like that.
• 1:47:32
  I mean, that's you can justify that.
• 1:47:35
  You can see, you know, she is underwritten and she is tough.
• 1:47:37
  Cheers. Yeah, I'm sure you'll find a
• 1:47:39
  finches. I'm going to find the character
• 1:47:41
  within very sort of sparse characterization so I think
• 1:47:45
  that's that's kind of forgivable to it's what I'm going to say
• 1:47:50
  next and maybe this will bring this to a conclusion or not, I
• 1:47:58
  don't know but basically I said this for The Dominoes but I'm
• 1:48:02
  going to say again and it isn't just pampering your ego.
• 1:48:05
  My last thing is you but it's not.
• 1:48:08
  Not it's not I don't like this, I don't like this episode.
• 1:48:14
  It's not what I want from Doctor Who and I do think he's
• 1:48:19
  self-indulgent. I do think is overwritten.
• 1:48:22
  I don't think is very funny. I don't think it's it hits.
• 1:48:25
  The Beats is going for but I've had the opportunity to watch
• 1:48:31
  this through your eyes today and I can see a completely different
• 1:48:37
  perspective. Neither Changed my perspective,
• 1:48:40
  but I see another perspective and that's quite refreshing.
• 1:48:44
  And I think more Doctor Who fans should stop Clinging On to their
• 1:48:48
  own opinions and do a bit more of that.
• 1:48:51
  Yeah, absolutely. I think I can see your point.
• 1:48:55
  I can see why you don't like this.
• 1:48:58
  I can see why I do like it and where there's like it.
• 1:49:00
  My those don't like it and I think that's exactly.
• 1:49:02
  It's perspective. It's just, you know, what works
• 1:49:05
  for you. Doesn't necessarily work for me
• 1:49:07
  in But ultimately, you know, we are in a position where, you
• 1:49:12
  know, we're blessed with a Shore which is now 60 years old, where
• 1:49:16
  we have got so much now, absolute quality, where's even
• 1:49:21
  if you don't like it you know you can hopefully appreciate
• 1:49:26
  what it's doing or what's not doing and and have plenty where
• 1:49:30
  you can see while they had. This is for me and that b, not
• 1:49:34
  for me. So I looked well, I'm not I'll
• 1:49:36
  dwell on the bit. I'll live in the Corners that
• 1:49:38
  are do you like they're not the ones that are doing and there's
• 1:49:41
  joy of making friends who are like Doctor Who fans and like
• 1:49:47
  certainly like with you me and I'm sorry II, where we've gotten
• 1:49:50
  very, very close over the last couple of years is that if you
• 1:49:54
  do have an opposing opinion and then you hear that, other
• 1:49:58
  person's opinion, when you understand that person what they
• 1:50:02
  think about the show as a whole sort, their background and all
• 1:50:05
  of this. It absolutely, it just it means
• 1:50:08
  It is a completely fresh. Look at the story.
• 1:50:12
  Yeah, people. Absolutely do more of this,
• 1:50:15
  right? And stopped saying I'm right,
• 1:50:18
  and you're wrong, that would be lovely pot, stop, but I think
• 1:50:21
  we're up to 9 now. So I'm going to give two more
• 1:50:23
  which is going to take us up to 11.
• 1:50:25
  Go One Nail. I've got a lunch date 01, get
• 1:50:28
  it. I'll be quick then and next one,
• 1:50:31
  Peter Capaldi. Coming in.
• 1:50:35
  Oh, God damn it. I should've chosen instead of
• 1:50:39
  Peter Capaldi. I'll never do that mistake
• 1:50:41
  again. Yeah.
• 1:50:45
  So, Peter Capaldi, you know, doing what the best, you know,
• 1:50:48
  people do is just, you know, how getting a little snippet to kind
• 1:50:52
  of tease us with what his doctors going to be like and
• 1:50:54
  just, you know, sprinkling that little bit of the magic all
• 1:50:57
  around that last sort of 30 seconds.
• 1:51:00
  So that's going to be number 10. And number 11, Of course, not be
• 1:51:04
  me. We can do another one if you
• 1:51:06
  want. Yeah, I'm gonna do it, Craven
• 1:51:09
  unbalanced positive things at the end.
• 1:51:13
  The people that care about that, sort of thing will never forgive
• 1:51:15
  me. So I'm going to choose who I'm
• 1:51:20
  going to choose all the fabulous Aesthetics in the town of
• 1:51:24
  Christmas, because I think it's also a few sort of sunlight and
• 1:51:30
  snow and old-fashioned buildings.
• 1:51:33
  And it just like you said, If it does Christmas better than
• 1:51:37
  anyone else. And it's rather.
• 1:51:40
  Ironically, the town of Christmas is the most Christmas
• 1:51:43
  Eve Christmas ever that. Yes, it is.
• 1:51:45
  It's all victoriano, and Christmas cards, and perhaps not
• 1:51:49
  quite as strong as the aesthetic in the Christmas.
• 1:51:51
  Carol own. Yes, but they're not life.
• 1:51:53
  And I'll ever be topped, I'll pick woes wait.
• 1:51:57
  So you've technically done number 11, then and so I'm going
• 1:52:02
  to have to cut one of yours as the war Choice, okay?
• 1:52:08
  My one, I'm going to go out on will draw line or the ex you
• 1:52:11
  need to get away. Is Matt Smith.
• 1:52:14
  Okay, come on Smith. And, you know, this is the end
• 1:52:18
  of his rule one, you know, this is him.
• 1:52:20
  He's lost his last outing as the doctor so far.
• 1:52:23
  Hopefully, we'll get more, but this is his last run out and he
• 1:52:27
  does go out on a high, you know, maybe he's not particularly for,
• 1:52:30
  in terms of, you know, story-wise or totalizer
• 1:52:34
  whatever. But in terms of performance
• 1:52:36
  years is good, he's ever been, you know, he's hitting every
• 1:52:39
  note that you want them to hit. He's funny when you want them to
• 1:52:42
  be full. Only, he's sarcastic.
• 1:52:43
  A stickies. He's angry does these again,
• 1:52:47
  he's kind of sort of mango and he's not sort of longer and you
• 1:52:52
  know, he's Flappy wrists. But he's still and he's just
• 1:52:56
  everything is the full package, he's always been the full
• 1:52:58
  package as the doctor. He's been, you know, such a
• 1:53:01
  magical presence, you know, throughout his his three series
• 1:53:06
  like I say even when the story hasn't necessarily been the
• 1:53:09
  best, the always hot in there to enjoy a performance for money.
• 1:53:13
  Stone here, you can weave is the short right to the end with that
• 1:53:19
  regeneration scene, which again is just absolutely Sublime even
• 1:53:24
  within why don't like they don't either.
• 1:53:29
  But there's still though, they're still moments, even for
• 1:53:31
  me that the bit with handles the surprised when the pixie dust
• 1:53:36
  hits his face, you know, the Regeneration scene where he
• 1:53:40
  delivered that speech. So beautifully.
• 1:53:42
  Yeah. In fact it's rather lovely, you
• 1:53:44
  know? Because you gave her fabulous
• 1:53:46
  summation of Matt Smith at the end of the eleventh hour
• 1:53:50
  commentary that we did well. And now we've come full circle.
• 1:53:55
  We have a diver we possibly could say any more about time.
• 1:53:58
  And Doctor, you know, we probably could probably could,
• 1:54:01
  but they, because we've got things to do, places to see
• 1:54:04
  people always do that on this commentary podcast.
• 1:54:08
  Obviously eventually one day, we will do the seeds of death with
• 1:54:13
  My heart, which we have now promise for the last 400 years,
• 1:54:16
  I think by the time we actually get to do commentary on the
• 1:54:19
  moon, we will actually be able to go to the moon and do the
• 1:54:22
  commentary there to the company. But you and I I have decided
• 1:54:28
  sorry, because I really enjoyed doing it.
• 1:54:32
  Oh yeah, I wasn't sure this was going to go down, you know, but
• 1:54:34
  I said, I really enjoy doing this.
• 1:54:37
  You and I are going to tackle a second attempt with no
• 1:54:42
  disrespect as At all to the fabulous job in Somalia.
• 1:54:45
  Who did the first attempt? We're gonna do the doctor, the
• 1:54:49
  Widow, and the Wardrobe real number T, and John are have to
• 1:54:53
  do this because he pulled it out as a birthday present.
• 1:54:59
  I've got an IOU in my pocket, don't be inserted on for over a
• 1:55:02
  year. I know.
• 1:55:07
  But as ever leaves me to say, you're marvelous at, this is
• 1:55:12
  wonderful to be with you. Thank you very much for your
• 1:55:14
  time. Well, no, thank you for once
• 1:55:17
  again, inviting us on. It's always a pleasure to come
• 1:55:19
  on. Even when we don't agree on what
• 1:55:21
  we're talking about, something that's even more fun when we're
• 1:55:23
  doing the so I think we've got the art of disagree industry
• 1:55:26
  knows we were absolutely your honor we can disagree very
• 1:55:30
  agreeably these days, you know, to begin with.
• 1:55:32
  I do whether it's the fact that you You just got the sexiest
• 1:55:35
  voice in all of podcaster, or whether you just make extremely
• 1:55:39
  engaging remarks. But people just love your
• 1:55:42
  episodes was like, hope you've enjoyed this one because I will
• 1:55:46
  say this for go, you know, I will not forget this, not forget
• 1:55:50
  one line of this, always remember when the podcast was
• 1:55:55
  me. Boom, I'll gather there.