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Agatha All Along Episode Seven Is Top Three Of All Time MCU (Review, Recap & Reactions) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 2: for our review of Agatho All Along. This week we
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  Speaker 2: are reviewing, recapping and give you our reactions. Episode seven
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  Speaker 2: title what Portia that's hand in mind?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, first of all, we gotta pour one out.
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  Speaker 2: We gotta pull one out for a real one, my
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  Speaker 2: nigga rest in peace, Rip Rich Lili.
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  Speaker 5: Keep questioning true deaths, and we didn't see the lady
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  Speaker 5: hit this way.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, you're the first one who was explaining
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  Speaker 2: to us every time we hear a new song at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the episode that usually it means someone died.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, but we've been questioning these true deaths.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we gotta question everything because this is marful, right,
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  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, it seems like Homegirl is, she's.
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  Speaker 3: Out the paint.
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  Speaker 2: So first of all, like I said, I want to
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  Speaker 2: give my dulence is my sadness when I say, and
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  Speaker 2: I watched this episode twice like I always do when
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  Speaker 2: I say, this shit actually hit worse the second time around.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's bad when you watch it, like obviously you
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  Speaker 2: don't know what's about to happen, and you are just
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  Speaker 2: you know, watching it with fresh eyes and you're reacting
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  Speaker 2: with a fresh reaction and everything, and it's like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my god. But then when you know what's about to happen,
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  Speaker 2: watching the second time, and then the clues and everything
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  Speaker 2: starts clicking into place. I felt like Lilya watching it
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  Speaker 2: the second time. I felt that realization of life and
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  Speaker 2: everything that I've been given and all the visions I've
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  Speaker 2: been seeing and all the information that I know, and
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  Speaker 2: now the pieces are falling to the place, the gaps
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  Speaker 2: are being filled, as she said in this episode, and
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  Speaker 2: at the very end, just for that shit to go down.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, that was honorable.
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  Speaker 2: Shit, that was wild honorable. I dead ass like felt
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  Speaker 2: like I wanted to cry a little bit of tear
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  Speaker 2: because I was in shock the first time.
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  Speaker 3: The first watch I was in sho.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about you.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like it was it was very rewarding to
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  Speaker 5: be like in a place where you're like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you hold the like how the puzzles a supposed to
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  Speaker 5: be assembled and you hold the pieces and you're finally
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  Speaker 5: clicking them together. So that kind of feeling of like
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  Speaker 5: we finally got it together. And so the way she
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  Speaker 5: kept repeating I was falling throughout the episode, and I
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  Speaker 5: was like, she was working out the whole time what
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  Speaker 5: was the answer, and then she got to it. I
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  Speaker 5: was falling. That's the answer to my question.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm.
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  Speaker 2: You was falling, and with all the triple, quadruple and tandras,
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  Speaker 2: you was falling through time.
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  Speaker 3: You was falling obviously to your own death.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see.
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  Speaker 3: I really hope it's not true, but we don't know.
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  Speaker 2: This is the road. The road is sketchy, just falling
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  Speaker 2: through your understanding of life, just falling. I keep on
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  Speaker 2: falling all the time, and I don't know a man port.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like a little depressed now, like I ain't gonna
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  Speaker 2: hold you. I wasn't. I wasn't really sad when Alice passed.
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  Speaker 2: I was just like, I mean, I was like, damn,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of a fuck that way to go. But
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  Speaker 2: the way they kind of zoomed in on her crispy,
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  Speaker 2: charred body, I was just like, y'all not taking it seriously,
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  Speaker 2: Whereas with Lilia they took this the fuck seriously.
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  Speaker 3: And I felt that.
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  Speaker 5: They set it up over the whole, like as soon
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  Speaker 5: as there was an episode with lilya in it, they
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  Speaker 5: were setting us up to feel the way about Lily
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  Speaker 5: going out. I thought we might thought because of her
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  Speaker 5: flashback memory in the Potion episode that she saw what
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  Speaker 5: is that episode three, that she might get a scary
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  Speaker 5: death because of how like creepy that was. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 5: so I appreciate that it wasn't like, didn't do her
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  Speaker 5: that way, But they also I don't know. I I'm
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  Speaker 5: she's a real one for taking out the seven went there.
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  Speaker 5: She's a real one for making sure everyone got ahead
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  Speaker 5: of her, including especially Jen. I like how their relationship landed.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, it's like so much of this
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  Speaker 5: episode and the season so far was set up for
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  Speaker 5: us to really care about what happens with Lilia, and
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  Speaker 5: here we are a memoriam for her.
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  Speaker 3: You know what was interesting? Well, there's so many interesting
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  Speaker 3: things going on.
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  Speaker 2: But when we talk about and we're gonna get to
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  Speaker 2: the other explanation about death, but when we talk about
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  Speaker 2: the deaths that have occurred throughout this season, and I
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  Speaker 2: was looking at the episodes, it felt like every other
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  Speaker 2: trial somebody died. So like I was looking episode three,
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  Speaker 2: that's when the you know sharing missus sash mssus hart
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  Speaker 2: unlive yourself. Well, I keep saying unlived herself. She didn't
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  Speaker 2: unlive herself, she just didn't make it through the child
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  Speaker 2: she's on the live. Then episode five, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: episode five or is episode six? Which one is that.
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  Speaker 5: That says six? Last episode?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Episode five is where Alice goes right, where Alice
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  Speaker 2: gets unlived right? Episode four that was the music episode
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  Speaker 2: like where it was kind of a fake out about
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  Speaker 2: basically Billy slash William whoever he is passing out for,
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  Speaker 2: you know, losing blood or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But but he gets saved. And then now we have this,
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  Speaker 3: so I feel.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's it's it's episode what we say, episode three,
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  Speaker 2: episode five, and now episode seven, number the odd numbers,
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  Speaker 2: every odd number, somebody gets the bad one, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like, but who's left jinerally the only.
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  Speaker 3: One left that's not.
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  Speaker 5: I really think all of them deserve more than to
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  Speaker 5: be like the token covenant witches that get taken out
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  Speaker 5: along like a Goeta and Billy's journey.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they've been doing so far and again to
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  Speaker 2: your point, to your point, this could just be like
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  Speaker 2: at the very end of the road, perhaps everyone comes back.
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  Speaker 2: It's not really the true that, but the way they're
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  Speaker 2: doing it is looking like Jenna's next.
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  Speaker 5: Wouldn't it be funny if we get to like episode
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  Speaker 5: nine and the like it's a vois theomn so we've come.
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  Speaker 2: They might? They might because they this is half musical,
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  Speaker 2: damn near it's oh god, oh god. Wait. And also
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  Speaker 2: Lilia said she was like, well, you're the path ahead, Jen.
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  Speaker 2: What has been happening.
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  Speaker 5: Is Jen the path ahead?
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh god, what you about to say? Now?
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  Speaker 3: Come on, Poorsicha.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't like it because it's a path that
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  Speaker 5: heads out, the path back home. So it's Jen the
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  Speaker 5: path Like can they not move forward without Jin? Or
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  Speaker 5: can they? The next trial is going to include like
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  Speaker 5: this the last time we're going to see Gin because
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  Speaker 5: she's she's only the path forward. She's not the path
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  Speaker 5: through or back.
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  Speaker 3: It's that part, you know why, because she already had her.
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  Speaker 5: Child right the very first, but she still hasn't received
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  Speaker 5: her powers back, which Alice had set into her power.
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  Speaker 5: And then Leah being out of sequence was her retapping
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  Speaker 5: into her power that she had when she was younger. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: so we saw Jin have her power up. So I
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  Speaker 5: did we really see her. We saw her do a potion,
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  Speaker 5: we saw her.
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  Speaker 2: Like do you. We saw her save Save Team, but
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  Speaker 2: that was.
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  Speaker 5: Also with the potion. We didn't see her actually have
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  Speaker 5: her powers like she was talking about.
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  Speaker 3: She wants to thought the potions her powers.
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  Speaker 2: No, I thought her being such a like lit bartender
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  Speaker 2: was her power.
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  Speaker 3: Like, that's what I thought.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like there's supposed to be physical, physical manifestation
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  Speaker 5: of her power.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's a good point.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 5: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. The other big thing, the
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  Speaker 2: biggest thing next to Lilia that happened, was, of course,
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  Speaker 2: the reveal that we have been saying all damn day,
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  Speaker 2: who is Rio? Where is Rio? Why is Rio? And
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  Speaker 2: everybody on the internet been saying this. Yes, we've been
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  Speaker 2: seeing the comments. We hear you, but we want to
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  Speaker 2: find out for ourselves. It is now one confirmed that
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  Speaker 2: Rio is Death. And if I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: know this from the com books, Death is a major
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  Speaker 2: major character in the comic book for Marvel, particularly she
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  Speaker 2: has they it's the entity has the most toxic relationship
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  Speaker 2: with one Thanos. Yeah, and we all know the great
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  Speaker 2: Thanos who you know, got unalive, you know, while he
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  Speaker 2: was you know, frying some plantons and his little cabin
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  Speaker 2: on the side. So I don't know if this means
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  Speaker 2: anything that has to do with Thanos going forward, as
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  Speaker 2: far as I know, he is in the True Death
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. But it's just interesting them bringing this particular
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  Speaker 2: character back and exactly what do they plan on doing
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  Speaker 2: with this character. I mean, obviously there's a relationship there,
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  Speaker 2: or was a relationship there with Agatha continues to be,
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  Speaker 2: but what is the.
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  Speaker 3: Overarching point of Death's presence?
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  Speaker 2: Do you have an idea?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying. I'm sitting here with like thematically, why
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  Speaker 5: did they put that into this series? Right? Like we know,
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  Speaker 5: like can we look at the end credits and then
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  Speaker 5: like I'll think of like which Lore which has been
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  Speaker 5: highly associated with like the Devil and like Hell and
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  Speaker 5: that's been Mephisto, right, But death is its own thing.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm trying to think of the last time we've
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  Speaker 5: seen a cosmic entity in an MCU, Like that was like,
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  Speaker 5: wasn't that Thor Love and Thunder where we saw like
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  Speaker 5: eternity or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: At the end when at Lady Thor?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So I like that we're getting
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  Speaker 5: these bigger cosmic beings showing up in the Marvel Verse.
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  Speaker 5: But it's very interesting that it caused it, being like death,
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  Speaker 5: it's showing up in the TV show about witches. I
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  Speaker 5: think there has seem more to it, yeah, than just
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  Speaker 5: she's here to claim bodies because her ex is here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to obviously there has to be more
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  Speaker 3: to it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what and I and that that's the great
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  Speaker 2: part about this, Like we don't have to have the
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  Speaker 2: answers right now, but it makes you think about what
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  Speaker 2: the true involvement really means, right for even the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the MCU, potentially right because as mentioned, this is
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  Speaker 2: a major how there in the comic books and and
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  Speaker 2: and again. This series act of it all along has
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  Speaker 2: been very much pulling from deep comic book stuff, so
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  Speaker 2: it's just interesting now that they're being injected directly into
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  Speaker 2: the MCU and what does that mean for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of all the other stories?
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  Speaker 3: If anything, it's also funny.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I feel like it's a no matter what, it's
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  Speaker 5: brilliant casting because Audrey Audrey is going to be really
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  Speaker 5: fun to have around. I love a recurring character throughout
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  Speaker 5: the universe. I think it's smart. I think a get
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  Speaker 5: the Death. Yeah, Agatha being Alphaba in this trial and
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  Speaker 5: then saying that, oh, this character was inspired by me,
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  Speaker 5: and it's like, like it's funny, Like, really, was the
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  Speaker 5: Wicked Witch of the West slash Alphaba actually inspired by
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  Speaker 5: Agatha on it? So when you hear Lilia call Rio
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  Speaker 5: slash Death the original.
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  Speaker 2: Witch, what was that about?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what was she just saying?
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  Speaker 2: Like and maybe this is more witchy type stuff, Like
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  Speaker 2: when she's talking about the Green Witch, he just means
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  Speaker 2: is that just about because of death and enough earth? Like?
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  Speaker 3: What is that?
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  Speaker 2: What did I don't understand?
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  Speaker 5: Was it the green Witch like the Green Powers? Is
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  Speaker 5: it the green Witch like ap but like the green
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  Speaker 5: Witch like the original green? Like?
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  Speaker 2: What was just green?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean just to be green? Is is
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  Speaker 2: that a particular power, You're from a particular planet, Like
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  Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, Like, what is that?
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  Speaker 3: Does that mean anything? Or is it just a descriptor?
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  Speaker 5: All right? It feels especially when you think about like
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  Speaker 5: who have we seen the MCU have green power set
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  Speaker 5: and that's low key basically. Oh and Real is a trickster,
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  Speaker 5: so feel like the like death slash Real Are they interrelated? Now?
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  Speaker 5: Loki is kind of like a cosmic being because he's
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  Speaker 5: having the whole timeline together.
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  Speaker 2: Pos not you putting that one together? My god, the
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  Speaker 2: djanga blocks you pull? Just now what I even think
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  Speaker 2: about it that way?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: See, we're going crazy in the chat? What up to
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  Speaker 2: the chat? YouTube dot com four owners TV? I know
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  Speaker 2: y'all are like, what did you just say? That was
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  Speaker 2: actually really good for it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: That makes me that's intriguing. Oh we gotta think about
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  Speaker 2: this one. Are you about to say anything else that's
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  Speaker 2: like coolist shit like that? I didn't even think like that.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know if maybe my mind
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  Speaker 5: is somewhere else in the time and we'll come back
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  Speaker 5: to something, okay, Li what that was so devastating to
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  Speaker 5: see when we got to see Lilya trying to warn
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  Speaker 5: Alice the full sentence of her being like Alice and
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  Speaker 5: like she like she was. She finished her thought for
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  Speaker 5: Jen realized she was having the ability to change, change
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  Speaker 5: the outcome of Jen's of Alice's life, told Alice Alice, Alice,
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  Speaker 5: don't and then trying to save Agatha was to Agatha,
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  Speaker 5: We've seen it when we watched through the episodes, but
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  Speaker 5: knowing that she was doing her best to try and change,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, yo, this is so devastating.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to understand, Like I understand, well, it's
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  Speaker 2: two things.
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  Speaker 3: I understand.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that it's just the framing and the writing
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  Speaker 2: again damn good writing.
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  Speaker 3: But also I feel like everybody that is being unlive
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 2: They are tragic.
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  Speaker 3: They are so fucking tragic.
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  Speaker 2: You see how she an't always talk about how sharing
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  Speaker 2: missus Sasmine's heart is so tragic, and you know, just
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  Speaker 2: she's just she was just trying to you know, she's
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  Speaker 2: just trying to function. She out here trying to function.
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  Speaker 2: She gets dragged down here and gets taken out. We
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  Speaker 2: see Alice, Alice living her life with the cursed, damn
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  Speaker 2: mad really her entire life and trying to just be
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  Speaker 2: trying to just live again, and then her finally finding
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  Speaker 2: it a way to get out of to get rid
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  Speaker 2: of it, just to you know, be you know, the
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  Speaker 2: succubied out of existence.
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  Speaker 3: And then now with this like no, truly, Lily.
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  Speaker 2: Your story is devastating, Like it's heartbreaking as fuck. Like
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  Speaker 2: I really like the fact that they took it back
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  Speaker 2: to her child, that took it back that I assumed
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  Speaker 2: that was Sicily where she was, you know, training and
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  Speaker 2: learning and all this other stuff. And for them to
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  Speaker 2: reveal like the understanding of who she is and really
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  Speaker 2: how powerful Lily is because for her to be a
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  Speaker 2: character that she says she she lives her life out
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  Speaker 2: of sequence, Like that's technically a very powerful character. When
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about the MCU as it currently stands, you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about the multiverse and people who don't live in
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  Speaker 2: the same timelines and can see all the different paths
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, Like that's on some high level shit,
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  Speaker 2: and that is on some a little bit old p
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  Speaker 2: level shit. The only problem is like for her, for
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  Speaker 2: a long time, she couldn't control it, right she or
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  Speaker 2: as her maestro, her teacher was telling her, Like it's
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  Speaker 2: not for you to control.
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  Speaker 3: It's just for you to see.
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  Speaker 2: And what she was supposed to do was that see
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  Speaker 2: an action on it, not necessarily control.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And it was like cool inside that she told
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: like Jen, she's saying time doesn't work the way everyone
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: thinks it does. So it's not even that she's the
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: one who's time displaced. She's seeing time the way that
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: time actually like functions, and everyone else is seeing time
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: as something else, so to it's it's sad because in
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: her conversation with Gin, like we get that kookie moment,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: question my wispy right, and then she but then you
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: confrontion like you like you shoot, you just don't look
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: at me like that, you just see me as this
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: daughtering old batty lady. And I appreciate that Gin was like,
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: well tell me you know, like for real, like when
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: am I supposed to be seeing? What am I missing?
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: And I really appreciate that got they got to have
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: that conversation. I think that's also a conversation about like
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: how we just franchise like older folks and how they
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: receive their memory and how they where they go they're thinking.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: And I really disappreciated the layers to that yeah, and
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: it's funny, but not like the whole thing with like
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: her having like similar themed outfits but always a little
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: bit different. So in this one, everyone is like but
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: they're all like known to be a terrorist kind of
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: like witch like the except for Lilia. Except for Lilia,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: who is Glinda the goodwitch in this to everyone else's
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: like even.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Even Billy Billy.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: Even I was laughing because, like, I think Teene is
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: actually an accurate like positioning or like nickname for Monica
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: for him because he his question he doesn't even know
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: who he is. He's that's that was his terrible questions,
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: like who am I? My billy and my willing, So
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: him being teen actually spitting because it's like, no matter what,
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: that is who he is. And it killed me a
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: little bit when Lilia called him teenager, Kitchen said, dang,
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: she called him by his foot.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it was cute.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: It was cute teenager.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: No, that was super cute.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I do like that you mentioned just their characterizations, right,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And oh my god.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I'm so sad about Lia.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Like Lilia's story is so beautiful in the same way
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that it is so heartbreaking.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: And we didn't even get her full story we just
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: got the right parts that were interrelated with like the
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: time that she's currently like what she was currently right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Right, and we like for her to be able to
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: It's like that idea of someone finally coming into their
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: power and doing something noble as fuck and helping everyone
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: progress and saving people's lives, multiple people and getting rid
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: of the threat or perceived you know, presumably getting rid
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: of the threat and doing all you can to make
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: sure other people make it. And then you take the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: l like that's hard. And also like I had, like
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I always thought she was like a quirky person from
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: the beginning, and and you know, much like how she
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: told Jen, like you know, you just think I'm this
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: weird old lady. It's just like, yeah, I thought that
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: of you in the beginning because I wasn't understanding I
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: wasn't taking the time to understand who you were. And
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: as each episode went on and you saw, like remember
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: we kept saying like, wait a minute, there's more Lily
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: than me side, There's there's obviously more, but but there's
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: there's more into what it means in this story, right,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: and more more into what it means to be a family,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: a coven. All this other stuff, Like she has so
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: many parallels to things in real life. Like I like
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the fact that you mentioned that. It's also really indicative
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: of how like older people are treated or people with.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Like you know, uh, I don't.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: It's not really a mental she what is that called
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: like if you're when you forget things, oh, dementia, things
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: like that, where it's just like they're treated a particular
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: way and and and very a lot of times very
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: negatively and not given the grace or the patience to
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you know, be a person. Right, And you saw that
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: happen with her over and overgain and even though it
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: as the audience maybe to some degree had been doing
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the same thing to her until everything got revealed, right,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: and then by that time she gets taken away from
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: us like on some George R. R.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Martin schit.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: So again, just it made me so fucking sad, and
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I did not feel any less sad the second time.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: That's also a read on, like a word on treatment
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: of older folks, because like sometimes you don't recognize like
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: they're important to the who they are and like what
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: they mean to you until you get to like that
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: moment with them whenever they're they're kind of rehashing things
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: within you're like, oh, you were this this whole time.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: You didn't show like, I'm just now getting to know
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: you in that way. And then right when you're getting
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: to know them in that way, that's when it's like
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: it kind of feels like sometimes they're freed a little
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: bit by the idea that they don't have to be
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: around to hold over like what whatever fastought they felt
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: like they needed to keep up or whatever, so they
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: started like.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Releasing m to look free at the at the end, right,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and it was and the episode started how it ended
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: like you saw her death in the beginning technically, but
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: in the very beginning of episode, she had this look
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: of fear on her face.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Now she has falling down. In the end, she's falling up.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Is that what's happening? Oh, I see, because it's upside down,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: so she's falling up. You're right, you're right. The tower,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: the tower got flipped. She is falling up, so she's
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: getting she's going to heaven. Oh, Portia, why you have
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: to say that.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: It's just that I don't like that. I don't like
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: it at all. I just don't like that. It really
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: feels like they're getting pushed out of here and like
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: for Agatha.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I miss I missed my auntie Lilia, y'all know that's
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: messed up.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Oh god, the table, the table said your path winds
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: out of time.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: And wind's out of time, and not wind's out of time,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: winds out of time.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Winds and that's her life. And so if only it
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: was like the clue sitting there right there from the
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: beginning of the trial that that was not a trial
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: for anyone, but and the tarot card should have told
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: you that from the jump, right, But like the at
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: the table was like, no, for real, this is Lilia's
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: trying me reading yourself. And when she sat and went
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: through all the cards and they were all interrelated with
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: the cars that she had pointed out throughout the different episodes,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: that shit was fire.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: That that ate so damn bad.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Like the way they went back to the scenes, and
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I was because we would call them out as we've
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: been reviewing these episodes, not really, and I have no
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: idea what the correlation was because they yeah, they were
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: like kind of saying what was happening in the moment,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: but they also didn't make sense for her to be
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: shouting them out or randomly. It all adds up. Now
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the math is math, and and I was just like,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: y'all ate with that. The writers, the writers, y'all did
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: that shit. Y'all did that shit for real? I thought,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: what was interesting portue you mentioning that table and the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: inscription on it, and how it was really about her
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: to begin with. It reminds immediately when I saw that,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I said, Porsche fucking said this. I don't even know
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: if you remember I remember or even know what I'm
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: about to say. When we when we did last episode,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: when we did Billie's flashback or whatever about his life
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and he they was in the bar metzvah and she
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: was reading him and he said, well, wait a minute,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: are you reading me? Or did he say something like
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: that like are you reading my Are you supposed to
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: be giving me a reading?
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Or you reading yourself?
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: You?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: You said that, you kept pointing that out, that like.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: She was really giving her own her own reading, and
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: the things that she was pulling was really for herself.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Like remember I said, she pulled a card where I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: said that the meaning of that card was was you
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: are you are You're staying away from You're trying not
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: to transform you're trying. You're trying to keep away transformation
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: or change and things like that. And I had said
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: it was that card wasn't really so much ability. He
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: wasn't resisting transformation. He didn't know about the transformation. She
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: was resisting that shit, Okay, just like how she put
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the sigil on him, that was her resistance. Those are
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: her cards. She had been reading herself the whole time,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: and that's what she had to fucking do again right here.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: That shit was so cold to me?
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: Is that so cool? That? Like sure, movie magic whatever.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: But the deck, when she's ready to pull it is
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: the cards are there in the order that they need
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: to be there, right. So the cards, like we noted
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: that they all came during different episodes, but she's pulling
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: them out like she's not struggling through, like she didn't
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: open in front of her. She's not. She's like, nope, boom,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: they're here where I need them to be, boom and
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: pull them putting them down. And I love that, Like
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: like the teen said that Taro is all about intuition
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: and agathos, like no, they're all a con and interpretation
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: is whatever. And when the deck was in a real
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: practitioner's hand. Oh, then she she was able to use
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: it to change the outcome of like the Salem seven. Yeah,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: and get at them. She was like, not only did
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: I read the deck and then get them safe, I'm
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: able to even power the room and way that is
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: not supposed to because the road is supposed to have
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: adverse conditions for a few sticks linger around, but correct not.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Supposed to be there. The seven they're not supposed to.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I said, that was again she went in like I love,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: and that's why I said. It was also so beautiful,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: like her coming into herself, and you saw the power
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: of Lily like she she looked commanding in that way,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: like she knew what she had and she knew what
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: needed to be done and did And I appreciate that,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: and I liked like when we say, like we mentioned
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: how just another capter like sharing like ACTTHO always portrays
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: her as this you know, cookie, old lady that doesn't
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: know what she's doing whatever, where she actually has a
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: lot more agency than people. Let on, same with Lily
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: and she says, oh, I'm just weird, old lady, but no,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I am powerful as fucking She's probably more powerful than
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: all of them, like, especially because I think she even
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: been around longer. So I just, oh, my god.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Went down like a g because she's like she's been
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: here for sins and she chose the way she went out.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: She was like, I'm gonna go out on some swords.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: She like, Oh my god, that that ship is so cold.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: That is so that goes so hard, like That's why
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: it's also difficult to accept that that that had to
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: happen in that way. But that's how they're tracking as
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: we keep going down the road, and I just.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: Don't know if it was I'm like, something mustn't say
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: them In seven, I know, oh they're not dead.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: That there's there's they have Fox, the rat in the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: snake like I don't know what the hell these women
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: are again or things. I don't know what's going on.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. We also really again
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping that the rest of the covenn even.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Sharing is not really gone.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I want to make mention because you you started talking
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: about it about how everybody was dressed this episode for
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: this trial. So they enter what appears to be you know,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: the well really from Disney, like you know, the Evil
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Witch's Castle from like every Disney story, you know, the
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: man and then half most of them being like Disney
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: characters themselves.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: So, and you mentioned that, you know, at the beginning
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: of this series, how like we're gonna see that played,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: you know, in terms of the way things look and
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the way things phil We're gonna have like Disney thrown
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: in there. And obviously this is you know MCU and
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Disney's altogether. Anyway, I love that it gave what was
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: that show that used to be on ABC, Enchanted or
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: whatever the time, once upon a time. It gave that, right.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: So you had you mentioned Agatha. She was she was
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the wicked Witch of the West aka elp Pha Bah right.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Then you had jen who was the evil Queen uh
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: in the story and the hag costume, right, because the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: evil Queen was it's actually a bad bitch. But then
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: she disguised herself as like an old hag that has
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: its poisoned apple and gives it to snow White, right.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: And then and then you know snow White with the
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: seven doors and all that stuff, and then she falls
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: into a sleep being death right then and again the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: idea of death right, all of these, all of these
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: witches have some former death right. We know, the wicked
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Witch of the West gets the house pond her, right, fine,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: we get the.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Wicked of the East get a house upon her. West
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: is the one who's like my little preti and in
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: the water.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: So isn't that what she is? Yeah, yeah, isn't that
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: what she is? The wicked Witch of the West. I
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: think it's the I think it's the Wolenda is the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: good witch? Right of the one west or east?
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: And then she's north or south, so that she's north. Oh,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: she's north and south like the good quote unquote.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: So you're right, yeah, right, you're right, right, Queen of
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: the South ship type ship all right, yeah, regardless of east,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the west home girl gets the house throwner. So that's
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: death right. So I'm talking about Wizard of Oz, right,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and then you have Billy who is Maleficent, right and
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Malficent Uh, well that's her real that's her, that's her name.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: What's Maleficent. She's the one who that's that's that's sleeping beauty.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Sleeping beauty. But she's also the one who's like she
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: can turn into a dragon, and that's the one. So
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: that was a nod to her. Whenever said that the.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah and and and teen looked good. I love this
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: look on teen. I learned.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: It was it was so perfect. I love to make
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: and that.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I love the make up, the the pieces, the the
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: accessories that what do you call those, uh prosthetics? Everything
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: that they put everybody in on everybody was was beautiful.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: And then are we missing one?
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Is that?
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Oh no, because there's no Al Jesus Christ.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: But but yeah, okay, so you're talking about we have
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Sleeping Beauty, we have snow White, we have Wizard of Oz, right,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: so two Wizard of Oz to Disney stuff. And then
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: also the fact that we was talking about this this
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: girl falling that is Alice in Wonderland, right.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: But also the Sunken Place, Oh.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: The Sunken Place, Jordan Peel. It could be that it
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: could be everything arra, we get it. Just everything keeps,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: everything keeps tying. Also tying back to Billy as well.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Remember I said that the road has been a manifestation.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Well when he was William, the road has been a
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: manifest The things we've seen on the road, the motifs
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: we've seen on the road has been manifestations of what
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: we saw in what was William Kaplan's room, which was
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: pictures of or posters of like Houdini magicians. Right, remember
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: that's the card that was pulled this episode when Lilia
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: was first reading him Magicians magic shit like that, bet
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: fine whatever, there was whole Alison Wonderland shit. Like everything
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: that you see has been repeated over and over again
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: in some way.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah. The table itself, like I succeet piece an island.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: If I had the space, I like, can I borrow that?
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Can I just have it? Because it was the piece
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: that moved clockwise was like a golden ring with black
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: symbols on it, and the symbols seemed to be a
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: mix of zodiac signs and something else. I couldn't seek
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: tell what the other symbols.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Were demonization.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: That you call zodiac to the astrologist demons, and then
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: like there's the black inside was moon phases and so
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: again playing with that idea of time and then like
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: where things are within the zodiac or whatever that's also
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: time related. So I was like I was trying to
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: keep clues into like in forecasting, I guess, and yes,
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: like so like like yeah, it seems like it was
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: very laid out for Lilia.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Do you remember what phase of the moon was on
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: the door or on the in the this trial in
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: this castle, because remember how they they were They were
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: calling it out before, but they didn't say it this time,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: but they did show it on screen.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: And I just know the last one was blood moon
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: because of the tarot card.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Last one was.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: Right. They didn't say it this time. They didn't say it.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I just saw it. But yeah, and the reason why
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: because towards your point of like trying to discern what's next,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: it's just like, well, we know the phases of the
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: moon right, Like it's like the quarter moon and half moon.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I guess the super moon.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: What's after the blood moon? That's probably this episode, and
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: then whatsoever is after the thing after the blood moon,
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: it's probably our next episode.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Okay to you, Okay, we're on the right track. And
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: then I know this and also the ideas like like
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the Iron Maiden. I know that was like a torture
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: device in general, like back in the ye olden days
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, but it wasn't that another like
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: way to kill which is as well putting them in
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: ship like that, And and also like things like when
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: you watch like old school shit like Houdini, like how
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: they would escape from places like that, like they would
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: put the girl in what you know what we would
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: think wasn't I am meeting, but she would come out unscathed,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: or Hudini would go in there and he wouldn't be
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: cut up or nothing like, just to escape death in
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: this way, like where it looks like it's imminent death
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: but you're escaping is a magic trick, right, So they
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: touched upon that over and over again. And now this
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: whole thing with Rio, I'm I'm really I just it's
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: who what is at the end of the road at
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: this point, I mean, listen, Jenna's gone, next next No,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Excel was an even number. Nextce was the even number.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: She's gonna make it. Probably it's a double episode.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: It's a two.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: It's a two thirst it is a two, so okay,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: so maybe the other half as the first half she gone,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: the second half she come back. I don't know. But
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: then what happens at the end, like because that means
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: there's only there's two trials left then, right, or at
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: least one trial, and then whatever happens at the very
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: finale of the series, what is left?
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: I feel like it's definitely one more trial. I think
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: it's that scene that we get with the teen and
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: Agatha in the gray room and Agatha's holding his face. Definitely,
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: I think that's a trial though, Like I think that's
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: really to the trial. I still think that there's no
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: way that the Salem and Seven rests without having confronted Agatha.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: It just feels antiaclimatic for that to be a thing,
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: I think, for that to be their end.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, thank you for slowing them down, But
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: this is the T twos.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: They not stopping this de terminative.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: It is not stopping.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: They gonna keep going.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: I feel like it's whatever curse that they have. I
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: feel like that's the best part of like some which
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: stories is when people are so bent on revenge that
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: they like hext themselves into a contract where they they
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: literally cannot rest or find peace until they do the thing.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: And so they've it's been centuries and they haven't kind
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: of over the Agatha yet, So they're probably tormented souls
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: themselves and they still have and fulfilled their mission slash
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: cursed to like get back at out of here.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: And Yeah, and like when Lilya and jen were first
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: in the tunnels and like they first encountered, they first encountered.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: This seventh was them holes walking backwards like they was
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: walking and I'm just like, well, now wait a minute,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: now this is all some dementia shit. I get it, y'all, y'all,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: y'all on that bullshit. I get it, y'all, y'all on
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the eddies. However, is that also just another thing about
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: when they talk about like Lily says, you know, time
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: don't flow, you know time time and the flow of
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: times and illusion like shit, you know, like they not
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: of this plane like they they move into on realistic
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: for me, Like you know, like it's just it's too much.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: They're terrifying and it's too much. And maybe that's just
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: all it was. It's just for them to be terrifying.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: But like what was that about? Like they looked like
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: they were moving in reverse and I didn't did you
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: peep back?
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: I also, but I was like, I think I was
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: trying to figure out how much it was connected to you.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Like this finger turning point for Jen because this whole time,
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Jen has been very selfish in a way that very
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: you can respect. When the protection spell was happening and
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: she was like, can you come do that over here?
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Like the it was like it like I respect and
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: she was living out like how most people feel inside.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, like I don't want to be bothered
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: with happening to like be one of the people who's protecting.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: I want to be protected. So can you help me out?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Which is I don't I fuck with it? She had
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: a deep change of heart and that that's probably partially
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: because Lily I had a heart to heart with her
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: when she was lucid in that way, like for her
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: to choose, she could have fucking left. The exit was
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: right there as far as we know for her to
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: say okay once Lily said, you know you're my sister
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: in this like is that all generally wants? Jen just
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: wants wants to be believed and loved and you know, like.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: She just wants belong to belong.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: And it was also like it's real. It's like very
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: sweet that Sharon Davis shared with them that the historical
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: like subway system is there, and that she was right
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: there glimpsing the reality that Sharon shared with them, and
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: she was like when given the choice and knowing how
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: Agatha is and she and Lilia have been the biggest
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: like don't trust Agatha proponents in the show.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Listen, yeah and wait, I forgot Sharon's Sharon told them
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: about the subway.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, whenever they were in episode two when I started
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: no episode three, when I started on the road and
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: she wandered off on her own, she was like before
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: she wandered off, she was like, I'm part of the
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: West View historical Society and the only thing that should
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: be down here is a subway system. I don't know
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: what you are doing. I don't know what how were
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: what you pay, but where we are, we're just underground.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: We should only be seeing the subways.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, got it? Got I got it? Okay, all right, listen,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: this show just keeps putting.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: It just gives us the answers immediately, and you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: we catch it late, but we catch it after right,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: right right, catch it when you're ready, when you when,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: when you when you arrive at the destination. And again,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I just the way that they've been dressed throughout this series.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: The costuming has been on point, and you had you
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: also may mention just of paying attention to how they
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: keep dressing Lilia and the position they put her in
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: like she's the mother, right, She's the good witch, She's
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: the savior, She's she's the one that can play all
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: the instruments, you know, all the percussion. Is she is
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: right like she was like she's like I can need
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the right by the little little little things or whatever,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: like she was truly the glue.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: I think it was funny. I think Lilia, I think
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: Lily as is making the point that the person that
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: needs to be included on the journey is Jin, that
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: she's the way forward. And we didn't really need to
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: see why she made that proclamation. We just know that
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: she's saying that that's for D's gin. And I think
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: that I don't know, I just argain I really hate that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: It seems like it really like she, Lilia, Jen and
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Alice all deserve better than yeah and Sharon all deserve
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: better than to be the side like red shirts on AGA.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm not looking at them as red shirts, but
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I hear you. I mean at least like, for example,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: remember last episode, we were like, ain't no way that
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: after sinking being sinking through the grass at their dead right,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: they got to be somewhere. So that was a false positive.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: But I maybe this is all part of the trials.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: And speaking of the trials, it's just like two it's
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: two major things that I wanted to just touch on.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Like we had said this before some time ago.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Has Akatha really ever been on the road, because I
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: know Billy.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Was just clocking her, but I was also just like, well,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: let's let's ask that again. Last question.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: The way the way Akta be acting like like, oh,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I ain't know it's gonna happen, and not to say
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: that the road could be different every time as far
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: as we know, right it could.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: As you see, it's manipulative.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: It conforms to the people who are on there, and
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: it matches the experiences and the powers of whoever is
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: walking in that.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: However, it's just like.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: She seems to like not be aware that this ship
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: is coming, or at least not act like she knows
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: this ship is coming. And Billy's just like, well, bitch,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: why did we follow you here if you don't know
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: what's going on? Have you been a didn't we say
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: that me?
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: You?
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: We were just like did she really passed? Or maybe
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: you said it? And I just you know, cold tine,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: like it don't seem like it.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: She's the truth, she's you know, you know, because we
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: know we've maybe not as all, but a lot of
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: us have been guilty of times of wanting knowing that
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: we have a skill set and people are looking a
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: us to like pull from a skill set and either
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: being because like sometimes Agatha herself talking about Lilia, sometimes
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: I get that herself has moments where it really seems
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: like them centuries and caught up to her and she'll
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: be remembering things and it's either sentries catching up with
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: her or it's her being underwand as hext. But she
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: has a much where she's like just not fully present,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: and I.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Feel like, Okay, I feel like, what do you feel like?
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: And I can see you now, so you did.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: I feel like the thing is that, like I get
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: the it's like the blustering like I've got this like
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: on top of it, I'm the leader. Thing. It's always
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: compensation for an insecurity.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: She's very insecure, absolutely, and the way that's confident that
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: is very insecure.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: I feel like that's most you know, people that you
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: see be like the like boisterous person are usually something
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: like very insecure going on there and when she is
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: talking to Billie initially on the road and she's like,
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: you don't have to like try to dig in my brain.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: I'll just tell you. And it's like he was like.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: About you ain't nobody coming to see you otis.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: And she keeps saying things like, well, I can you know,
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: just tell me when you know, just ask me questions,
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: like it's like you want to be interesting to him,
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: like I. And it's almost in a way that it's
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: like she wants to be like cool mom, like the
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: teens find me interesting. But she's also playing like I
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: don't care about what anyone thinks, right, It's like you
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: can't have it.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: She's very childish.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, And what you just said is because remember up
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: until like a couple of episodes episodes ago, Billy was
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: all up under her right like, ooh, you're the main one.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm teaching, you know, I'm learning so much as
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: she's she said, I didn't you on.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: The continent, yes, and South America.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: And then when he when the flip happens, and all
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know, to your point, she's just like, well, bitch,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: you know, I guess and I'm doubting you. And now
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: she's just like, well, you know you don't like me
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: no more, you know, like like she's she's fishing to
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: try to be that girl again and at least in
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: his eyes, right, And you know, it could be the
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: whole fake motherly thing, you know, the whole you know,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Nicholas scratch, or it could be it could be her.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Personality and everything else.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: But it's just once again, Agatha is deeply complex. Everyone's complex.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Agatha is deeply complex.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: When people say piece of work, typically I don't like
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: that terms. It's usually used against women, but the way
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: that Agatha is very much a piece of work.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Agatha, she called herself a piece of where she said,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: you want a straight answer as a straight.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Woman, All right, that's a cute one that's.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Thinks of that.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: But someone like an Agatha, right, like, nobody thinks about that.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: And then the other the second part was the question
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: then it has and people just people in general, who.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Are big Wanda fans. Is Wanda alive?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Is the scarlet?
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Which? Thing about that question doesn't matter because right now
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: she's nothing to do with this story. Really, So how
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: about we wait until Wanda is relevant before we start
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: asking some questions about whether Wanda is around?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Oh not to read an entire internet, damn Borsia because like, here's.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: My thing being a definition, which I like when things
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: come to me and I don't like really like digging
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: for them, right, And so the more I dig for something,
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: the more I'm gonna dislike getting the answer without having
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: it revealed to me, Like the reveal is gonna be
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: meaningless because I'm like, oh, I dug, Like that's not fun.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: You're right, You're right, I mean, I know, like there
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: are a lot of I mean, there's people in general
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: who just want to know what's about to happen next,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: like they want to know everything ahead of time. But
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: then to your points, like, well, what's the fun and
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: that now unless it's revealed in a fun way, Like
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: there's certain things about this areas that we figure it
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: out right and we knew it was going to happen,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: or we had a strong indication that it was going
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: to happen, and then it did, but it was still
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: done in a way that it wasn't verbatim what we had,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: what we were thinking, or what exactly we drew out
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: in our minds.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: And I think that's what also makes.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: It fun, Like even though people do are just trying
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: to figure it out and get to the get to
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: the end before the ain happens. I still think the
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: way it's going to be portrayed on screen may still
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: be the fun part.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think I'm not like a deadly down
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: there like I people can theorize all they want and
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: like have fun. Fun. There's fun and theorizing and sharing
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: theories of people, and like I am not against that
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: at all. My thing is I'm and I know there's
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: like people who have a level of anxiety about storylines
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: and the like they really just want to know, and
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: I'm just like I don't so personally, I'm like because like,
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: let me tell you about the one thing that like
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: really did it for me for canon theories and very
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: related to the other podcast, Castle Black, It's Love for People.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: Had the theory of John Snow and Danaris starting the
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: next Tigerian Legacy life or whatever, and that the fan
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: art amazing beautiful, wonderful, beautiful gowns. But like, let's be
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: got one hundred percent like the way that the show
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: was building up, the way that like we didn't have
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: the full storyline, like we're really just setting yourself up
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: for heartbreak and nobody wants to be heartbroken over one
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: of their favorites. It really turns down the amplification of
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: the hype that you had for your favorite series.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: That's what you're trying to say.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to reserve my heart for how much I've
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: enjoyed this show, to not put extra theories in something
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: that might break my heart. You know, if I don't
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: get it or whatever happens.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: That's a good, good point. You're you're right, Pusship.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I guess that's why you're the you know what do
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: they call it in the in the land of Game
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: of Thrones? You're the master, the Master, You're the master,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: that's right, uh, speak of the master. Since you know
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: we're talking about books and shit. Lilia found Billy's book
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and she didn't Jim. But that was interesting to me, Right,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: she hid it from Jim, which is like, what the
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: fuck did you see? Because you apparently had another that's
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: a raven event and didn't say anything to nobody.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Nobody told me nothing, right, and then you.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Know, make sure she handed it to him before they left,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: you know, privately, Well, first of all, you you had
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: your whole thoughts about what the book actually is like
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: it's another type of dark old type book. Maybe is
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: him grim.
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: Because every witch has their well, most witches, if they're
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: bookishly inclined, they keep their notes about their spells that
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: they create, and once they've been pasted to them their modifications,
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: the spells that are popular, they keep that in their
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: own gwenoire. So I've seen the way that he's like
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: taking notes and he's like he looked up the spell
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: to break Agatha out of your delusion in that like notebook.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: Some hope, I'm feeling like that's his grimoire, But it
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: could be that it's actually not just as grimmire. It
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: could be that it's a deeper meaning than that we mentioned.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, I think it's Lilia's last name is
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: Calgaroo in the Book of Calgaroo or something like that.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, I wonder if it's like.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: You heard it right, is it like her book? So
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: you just said that sometimes these books are passed down. Yeah, maybe, oh.
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: Maybe, like there's a certain reason why she's the one
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: who finds it and holds it in her hand and
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: is the one to give it back to him.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: And also did she write something in there?
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: Then?
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Did she give him some information and you know, some
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: spells or something whatever the fuck for him to use
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: later and why and why you know, they made it
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: a point to make sure we saw that, which means
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: it's going to come into play later. Remember, he's still
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: trying to learn his powers. He's still trying to learn
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: how to do the thing with it, and this is
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: his lifeline to help him, Billy, to help him on
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: his path.
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: It's also interesting that she thought it was important to
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: tell Jen that Teen slash Billy slash William is the
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: son of the son of a scarlet witch.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: She did say, scholar witch, you're right, okay, and we
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: still don't know where the fuck Tommy at.
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: And one of the cards that was pulled for the
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: teen's reading was that he was.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Going to have a reunion, so we pop, you didn't
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: gonna see that by the end of this season series.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: We know the reunion he said he wants. We don't
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: know if he's that's gonna be the reunion that he gets.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: And technically he may have also already had a reunion
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: because he spoke his uncle.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, true, true, And that's close enough. Damn, this
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: show is tricky. The road is tricky and Also it's
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: like it's giving like the you know, the Genie and
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: the three wishes type thing, Like it's like I'll grant
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: you your wishes and it's never exactly what you want
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: very specific and even when you would specifics, that nigga
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: be cheating you, right, Like, So I'm like, is the
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: role like that where just like, okay, it gives you
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: what you really want? You know, and we still I mean,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: he wants his brother, That's what I'm wann to say,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying. Let's just I.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Think to wrap this up.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Let's let's because as really the next two episodes is
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: the end of this again season indoor series? Right, what
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: does everybody want? What everyone really actually want?
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Alice?
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: I guess want She claims she wanted to find.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Him up, but it was like she just wanted peace,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: and I guess she wanted that curse away from her?
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: Was that really the end of it?
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: So that's the thing too, right, It's because we don't
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: know what happened to her for her to lose her
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: place in the police force.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: She was willing, that's what she said.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: They we don't know what the like, what made that happen?
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: For like what was going through?
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Like what the person.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, so.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: The curson was the person is part of it's a
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: bad attitude going in generals, I leaved.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Is that what she wants to go back to? Is
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: she does she act? I feel like because the it
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: feels like the answer is chosen family. He feels like
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: the answer is the cuffin for everyone? Like what is
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: everyone shared desire?
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: Like what did you actually want? Yea belonging?
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: Belonging?
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, what do they say that they want them?
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Like with Alice, Alice is Alice? Then I'm gonna say
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Billy wants Tommy. He wants to find his brother, he
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: wants to know. I mean, he says it in this
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: episode who am I?
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: He says that he doesn't care about Wanda that.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: He says, that's not my mom, the other ladies's mom.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I'm like, girl, let's let's not kid ourselves.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: That protests too much.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you don't know who you are?
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Right, So maybe that's what you find out Agatha, I
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: don't know what she wants.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: What does Agatha want?
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Like besides she always or I want my powers, but
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: she just she's just trying to get back. Is that
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: really at the end, what she.
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: Needs I think I get that is what they've been
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: pointing with us with I get the story is that
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: she wants her son or U to mentor someone in
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: a way that she would have mentored her son. She
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: wants that dynamic back, even though she doesn't think she
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: deserves it. She technically doesn't really deserve it.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: That's why she's loving it when when Billy is walking
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: behind her like a puppy dog.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah hmm, okay, what does generally want?
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: She still doesn't have her power set back like whatever,
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: her like physical defense one is I think that means
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: that she has to have a concause we never really
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: she didn't really confront her fear whoever that guy, right,
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: that the guy that bounced her doctor or whatever trick
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: her and boundary Yeah yeah, yeah, because she was like esthetrics.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: So she's still bound. She's still bound, right, So that's
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: is that really what it is?
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: The freedom?
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think that like she's also in legal troubles,
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: so she's gonna figure to freedom.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: She wants that want that preperation. Okay.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: And then for Lilia, her whole thing was just because
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: because you know, first she said power and her proctor
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: was like, no, bitch, what what is it really? And
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: I guess it's to see right, it was to understand herself.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: I think it's a mix of because, like I think
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: the thing that Lilia consistently right up throughout the series
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: is how much people disregard and dismiss and criminalize, which
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: is throughout time, and that's how she's been criminalized for
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: just being able to tell the truth about situations. So
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: I think she wants to be able to safely be
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: herself without being like thought of as a doddering old
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: woman who yeah lost it. Basically, she wants to be
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: able to be her full self and that includes this
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: part of herself that is traveling and at a time, and.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Miss Man was always offended. The road just kept offending
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: her left and right.
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: It was. It was.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: It was funny, but it was also like I feel
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: you honestly.
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: Even in this episode Jim, she asked Jim what she
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: had on, she was like, I can't even go in there.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: It was it's all offensive to me.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: It's all offensive to witch hood, you know, I get it,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: And her saying oh she loved beetle Witch even could
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: be sad again, Oh I guess just one of the
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: last points I wanted to mention, and you know, if
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: you wanted to have some last thoughts to please share.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: But the again, there's the way this show takes great
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: care into imagery and great care into symbolism and things
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: like that. And that last sequence while Lilia is pulling
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: each tarot car for herself and it goes back to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: a scene of the other witches, right, and they're the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: witches themselves and herself. They're making up there. It's a
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: literal characterization of the card, right, like when they say
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the Queen of Cups, it's and it's a little it
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: looks like a young lady with the yellow dress and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: the cup, and it's literally that image of her when
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: she was a younger looking at the tea leaves. And
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: you see things like when they said with the swords
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: in the heart, and you see that image of Agatha
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: with the three it looks like three swords like you.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: They literally portray this in each scene that we've already seen.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: We've seen all the tarot cards right uh death showing
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: that they have Rio standing there with the dagger and
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: whatever the fuck else.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: The great makeup and makeup the herbs and the hood
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: and all that.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Jen. Like the way Oh Jen had her hand up,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: it was just like like standing there like you're on
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: some Messiah shit right, Like they they put the level
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: of detail in this show is so beautiful and so amazing,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: and I am I'm very appreciative of what they've done
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: so far.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: Same I I don't know if you answered, like will
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: you asked me? Found know if you said anything about
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: what you think it's gonna happen, maybe yeah, like what
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: you think might be going with real and what you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: think might happen next with the next two episodes.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I'm just as like, I have no fucking clue.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: They we talk about the Tower of Reverse and flipping
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: that tower back, I am turned all the way upside down.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. Like I said, I they are
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: pulling again, They're pulling from a Marvel comic book law Lore,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: but then changing it because you know you can't you
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: can't follow the exact stuff.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: So I have no clue.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm not like being helpful useful in that way,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: but I'm just here for the ride at this point.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's the thing though, It's like we're all
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: here for the ride, and I think the best thing
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: about it is that the ride is enjoyable. And that's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: honestly like what we've honestly been asking from one of
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: the boss like, can we just enjoy the write again,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: because that was what was bringing us here in the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: first place.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Listen. And then what was the at the very end
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: of song Time and a Bottle, That was a I've
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: been zamming every song at the end that that does
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: play the ones that do have sos new songs at
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: the end of episode by by Jim Kross Kroiss, Time
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: in a Bottle and again that idea of time and
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: manipulation of time. And yes, it's fit everything with what
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Lily said, but also what I said about remember the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: multiverses a thing, so keep that in mind.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: And it's so and so dead.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I don't fucking know which version are you talking about?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Are they really gone?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't know, girl? Whatever?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Everything?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 1:02:46
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• 1:02:49
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• 1:02:50
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• 1:02:55
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