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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, guys. My name is Andrea and I'm Haley,
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  Speaker 1: and you're listening to Inhuman, a true crime podcast. Okay,
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: is there any business?
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So there's a couple of things happening in the
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: true crime world sort of that we just wanted to
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  Speaker 2: share about before we dive into today's case. First of all,
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: if you are still following the Gabby Petito case slash
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: the search for Brian Laundry, there is no update. That
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: is the update. They're still searching for Brian, So just
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  Speaker 2: keep your eyes out. He does have tattoos, specifically one
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  Speaker 2: on his hand, so it's like a leaf on one
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  Speaker 2: of his fingers or like a vine. So just you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you're especially on any like trails or campsites or anything,
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: just keep your eyes out.
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  Speaker 1: And then Matt was like, he showed me this thing
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  Speaker 1: on Facebook. He's like, look and I read it and
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  Speaker 1: it was like Dog the bounty Hunter caught Brian Laundry.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, that is not real. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: get out of here with that crowd. That is not real.
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  Speaker 2: But I know, yeah, so don't believe what you read
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  Speaker 2: on Facebook. No, don't believe what you read on Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: And just keep your eyes open. You just never know
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  Speaker 2: what you might see. But I just wanted to share
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  Speaker 2: that the fact mostly that there are no updates because
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have been following that case.
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: And then, even more exciting, there is a pretty big
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  Speaker 2: update in the Madeline McCann case. So if you don't
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  Speaker 2: know that case, don't look it up, because we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be covering it in Thursday's episode of This Week. But basically,
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  Speaker 2: it is a little girl who went missing while on
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  Speaker 2: a family trip in Portugal years and years ago, and
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  Speaker 2: there has been no suspects really like there it's just
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  Speaker 2: like a completely cold case. And they now believe that
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  Speaker 2: they have a suspect. So so yeah, but don't look
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  Speaker 2: it up now. I'll cover all of that on Thursday's episode.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna cover the whole case and then the current
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  Speaker 2: updates and what's going on now.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a true crime addict though, like us, you
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  Speaker 1: probably know at least a little bit about that because
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  Speaker 1: that's one of those cases that just eats you up,
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  Speaker 1: especially because like she was such a tiny, young little girl.
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  Speaker 1: So I really hope that this goes somewhere and then
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  Speaker 1: it's it is what it is, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and there. I mean, there was a
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  Speaker 2: whole Netflix documentary on it, so you've probably seen that
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  Speaker 2: if you are a true crime documentary. But it's just
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  Speaker 2: there's so much back and forth of are the parents involved?
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  Speaker 2: Is it something else? Like it's just such a crazy case,
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  Speaker 2: and so I really hope that they are able to
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  Speaker 2: confirm this and you know, get justice for a little
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  Speaker 2: sweet Madeline.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. There was like there was like some suspects,
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  Speaker 1: these brothers. I can't remember their last names. Oh, but
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  Speaker 1: right the I can't remember off the top of my head,
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  Speaker 1: but it kind of got brushed under the rug because
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  Speaker 1: they were like, yeah political, you know, yeah whatever realm.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I really hope that this they finally get
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  Speaker 1: some justice for this little girl.
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  Speaker 2: I know, me too, but yeah, so you can look
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  Speaker 2: forward to that on in Thursday's episode. But today Andrea
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  Speaker 2: is going to be covering an awesome case. I think.
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  Speaker 2: I actually did not look at the document, so I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what she's covering. So I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: It's not really even the case. It's more of a well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a little spooky story because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like it's spooky season. We said we were gonna
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: bring you guys some spooky stuff, and we've had some
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  Speaker 1: heavy stuff over the last few weeks. And I know,
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  Speaker 1: like that's what we do, that's why we're here. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, every once in a while, it's nice to
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  Speaker 1: throw something different into the mix, and that is what
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be doing today.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 1: But before I get started, I just wanted to address
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  Speaker 1: something from a previous episode that I covered. I just
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  Speaker 1: want to apologize to Natalie and her family for mispronouncing
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  Speaker 1: their last name. It is Holloway, not Halloway, which was
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  Speaker 1: a big mistake of mine. I'd also like to just
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  Speaker 1: address the person who left us the reviews stating that
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  Speaker 1: I mispronounced their last name due to being young, or
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  Speaker 1: being unintelligent, not doing my research, or not caring about
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: the case. I can assure you that absolutely none of
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  Speaker 1: those reasons are true. Firstly, I am in my thirties.
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  Speaker 1: I know I may not sound like it because I
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  Speaker 1: am a millennial and I say like and and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: but that's just who I am, that's just who we
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  Speaker 1: are really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I also have a bachelor's degree, a bachelor's of Science degree,
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  Speaker 1: and for that case and pretty much all of the
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  Speaker 1: cases that I research, I did our and hours of research,
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  Speaker 1: and I also listen to other podcasts on the case.
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  Speaker 1: But we're human. We just make mistakes, you know, We've
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  Speaker 1: never we've never claimed to be perfect here on inhuman
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  Speaker 1: and I am willing to bet more mistakes will be
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  Speaker 1: made in the future as we learn and grow. My
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  Speaker 1: mistake was not intentional, nor was it meant to be disrespectful,
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  Speaker 1: but I do thank you for your review and bringing
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  Speaker 1: that to my attention. And lastly to all of our listeners,
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  Speaker 1: always remember to be kind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, it's we appreciate corrections,
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  Speaker 2: especially when we say things wrong. Yeah, Andrea just said,
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  Speaker 2: we're not perfect. We don't know everything and oftentimes, at
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  Speaker 2: least I know, for me, I do a lot of
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  Speaker 2: research reading articles, so I don't always like actually hear
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  Speaker 2: pronunciations of things, and so you know, we make those mistakes,
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  Speaker 2: and we do appreciate you guys correcting us, but just
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  Speaker 2: try to be kind about it. You know, we're not
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  Speaker 2: doing mispronouncing things or saying things wrong to try to
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  Speaker 2: like on purpose where it's totally mistake, and so you know,
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  Speaker 2: We're happy for you to correct us and help us
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  Speaker 2: learn and grow, but just please be kind about it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, constructive criticism is appreciated.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we are mature enough to handle constructive criticism.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not always given to us in that way,
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  Speaker 1: and that's okay. Everyone's got their own demons to deal with.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I just wanted to kind of say
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  Speaker 1: that because most importantly, I do want to apologize because
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  Speaker 1: I did go back and listen because I know her
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  Speaker 1: last name is Holloway, not Halla, and I wanted I
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  Speaker 1: went back to listen after I read the review, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, shit, I did mispronounce it. And I
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  Speaker 1: remember thinking like the whole time, don't say Halloway because like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's my southern accent. I want to just say
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  Speaker 1: like how or Halloway or you know, it's it's I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna make excuses for myself, but I remember like
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  Speaker 1: trying to remind myself, like make sure you say it right.
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  Speaker 1: And I only said it like once or twice, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is what it is.
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• 7:17
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• 7:23
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  Speaker 1: Greatly appreciate it. That's all right, Okay, So now let's
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  Speaker 1: get on to my spooky story my episode for today.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little mix of history one oh
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  Speaker 1: one and a little spooky scary skeletons.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. I love this. It's like fall weather today. I'm
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  Speaker 2: drinking an iced chi with pumpkin cold foam. I am
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  Speaker 2: just like oh for this right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so a little bit more lighthearted, a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of history, but I am covering the Winchester Mystery House.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I feel like I've heard this, but I
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  Speaker 2: also can't remember anything about it, So I am like
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  Speaker 2: so pumped right now.
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  Speaker 1: So the first time I heard about this. Matt and
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  Speaker 1: I were actually watching at some show on the History
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  Speaker 1: Channel several years ago, like years and years and years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember thinking like it sounded like so neat
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  Speaker 1: and so interesting, like the details of this this woman
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  Speaker 1: and like the house that she built and everything like that.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I was trying to think of like
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  Speaker 1: spooky cases that were like not too far off the
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  Speaker 1: ghostly deep end right, that had like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: you know, information about it, this was like the first
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  Speaker 1: one that popped into my mind. So I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to cover it during spooky season.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are. I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So Sarah Winchester, who was the heir of
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  Speaker 1: the Winchester gun fortune. So if you are a gun
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  Speaker 1: enthusiast or know anything about guns, one of the brands
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  Speaker 1: is Winchester. She was quite the eccentric woman. She was
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  Speaker 1: the widow of firearm arms mogul William Wirt Winchester, so
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  Speaker 1: technically he would have been the you know, breadwinner, and
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  Speaker 1: then he passed away, so she became the heir to
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  Speaker 1: that fortune.
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  Speaker 2: Girl power.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I don't know because okay, you'll see I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to give to you much day and William
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  Speaker 3: unfortunately passed away on March seventh of eighteen eighty one,
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  Speaker 3: so we're wrowing it way back.
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  Speaker 1: And his cause of death was tuberculosis, which is very
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  Speaker 1: common during that time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The couple had also had one child, Annie Pardie, who
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately died about a month after birth in eighteen sixty six.
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  Speaker 2: That's so sad. I feel like, Oh, it's like, okay,
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: kind of a side note, but if you guys don't
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: follow the account on TikTok where she cleans old graves.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what.
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: Is her name, I don't know. It's okay, hold on,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to look it up, because like, she cleans
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: old graves, so it's like really satisfying. But then she
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: also like tells the tells her stories. Yeah, and I
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: feel like so many of them die of consumption. So
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: that's what made me think of it. But okay, her uh,
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: her TikTok is manic pixie mom and it's so her.
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  Speaker 2: I love her account, like she's so she does such
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  Speaker 2: a good job of telling the stories. Yeah, and so anyway,
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: just a side note, but that made me think of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super satisfying to watch her like clean, and
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: it's it's nice to I mean, I know that's probably
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: her job, but it's still nice to know, like somebody
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  Speaker 1: still cares about that because no, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Not her job. Oh it's not doing it, like just
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: because she like wants to be a good person.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Well that makes me like her more now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And but a lot of people in early times
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: died of tuberculosis, yeah.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: Which they call which is such a thing because they like, Okay,
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say. I don't even know,
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: like because they can't breathe.
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't know, I really assume to you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it does.
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  Speaker 1: Like they can't they're coughing and they can't breathe, and
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: they just die.
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: It's kind of it's kind of sad what happens is people.
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  Speaker 1: Luckily we don't have to worry about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I know, railing over, let's get back to it, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, obviously devastated by the death of her husband and
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  Speaker 1: her daughter, Sarah reportedly consulted with a psychic, which I
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  Speaker 1: feel like for those times, I don't know, is that common.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that's not a very common practice for
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  Speaker 1: those times to like do something like.
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  Speaker 2: That, so I feel like it's not. But then at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, like I feel like witches and things
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  Speaker 2: like that were kind of a thing, So yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's not that far out, but yeah, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it's not. It wasn't as common. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, this psychic informed Sarah that the victims killed by
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  Speaker 1: the Winchester rifles her family manufactured were seeking revenge by
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  Speaker 1: taking the lives of her family.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember when I like was watching that
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  Speaker 1: show that like they said that, and I was like,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: oh my god, Like, yeah, I don't know that could
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  Speaker 1: totally happen. I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're it's like Iron Man producing weapons
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  Speaker 2: or Stark Industries producing weapons, and then you're like getting
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: what's the word, like blamed for that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a similar Like it's not their fault because like
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  Speaker 1: what people choose to do, Like it's the person who
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  Speaker 1: is holding it gun, like it's their responsibility their actions
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  Speaker 1: and consequences. But spirit spirits do what they want to do.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, exactly, they might not know that you're
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  Speaker 2: not the one doing it, right.
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  Speaker 1: The psychic also told Sarah that the spirits had placed
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  Speaker 1: a curse on her and that if she wanted to live,
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  Speaker 1: she must appease them by moving out west and constantly,
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: without seizing build a house for them day and night.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I have heard this. I just realized what they say. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: So after a few or a few years after her
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  Speaker 1: husband's death, Sarah moved from New Haven, Connecticut, where she
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  Speaker 1: and William lived, to San Jose, California, to officially start over.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: She purchased a small farmhouse and soon began the renovation
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  Speaker 1: project on the home. Originally the eight room farmhouse would
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  Speaker 1: soon become one of the most infamous and mysterious mansions
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  Speaker 1: ever built. Yeah, so the renovator what the I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what word I was trying to say. The renovations
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  Speaker 1: began in eighteen eighty four and did not cease until
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  Speaker 1: Sarah passed away in nineteen twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: That is freaking wild.
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  Speaker 1: That's so much labor and so much money. It said
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  Speaker 1: that by the end, like by her death, she spent
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  Speaker 1: five million dollars on renovations. And that's that time frames, right,
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  Speaker 1: money equivalent, you know, right, not today's money probably, Like
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  Speaker 1: that's like seventy five million dollars or something.
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  Speaker 2: How much. It was five million, yeah, thirteen million about thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wait, one million in nineteen twenty is thirteen million today.
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  Speaker 2: So so five to thirteen thirteen sixty five million, So
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: you were oh yeah, it was closed, So like sixty
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: seventy five million.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: That is a lot of money. So, as I mentioned before,
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  Speaker 1: the renovations were literally around the clock, and they were
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  Speaker 1: ever changing. The Winchester mansion was known as a modern marvel.
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  Speaker 1: It had indoor plumbing, central heating, a hot shower, and
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  Speaker 1: elevators galore, which for that time was like unheard of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The mansion had over one hundred and sixty rooms and
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  Speaker 1: forty bedrooms, ten thousand windows, and two basements.
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  Speaker 2: How does it of two basements?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if they were side by side or
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: if they were one under the other. I assume one
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  Speaker 1: under the other, right, But they obviously had two different
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  Speaker 1: insurances to get to them. This unique home had many
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: outstanding elements of Victorian architecture and exquisite craftsmanship. There are
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: rooms with gold plated fixtures, elegant doors and windows of
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  Speaker 1: stained tiffany glass set in silver, which, if you know
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: anything about stained tiffany glass. It's super expensive and it's
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  Speaker 1: like really hard to come by.
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  Speaker 2: Is that like the really pretty like stained glass?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Okay yeah yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: However, among the modern marvels and beautiful accents were some
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  Speaker 1: very unique details. First of all, not all two thousand
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  Speaker 1: doors in the home could be opened and walked through.
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  Speaker 2: So why would you have a or if you can't
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  Speaker 2: open it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to that just a moment. One of
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  Speaker 1: the doors led to an eight foot drop into the
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  Speaker 1: kitchen sink. Another led to a fifteen foot drop off
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  Speaker 1: into bushes in the garden below.
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  Speaker 2: Why, we'll get to it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. So there were staircases leading straight into ceilings.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the expensive tiffany stained glass windows were installed
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  Speaker 1: in places where no light would pass through, and there
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  Speaker 1: were multiple secret passages.
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  Speaker 2: That's spooky.
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  Speaker 1: There is also a cabinet that, when open, would extend
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  Speaker 1: through thirty rooms of the house. Wow, that's insane. It's like, uh,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: what was that book Finding Narnia? No, not Finding Narnia?
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  Speaker 2: What is it called? The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like they walked through the wardrobe in this whole
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  Speaker 1: other world. So as I mentioned before, there are some
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  Speaker 1: spooky theories as to why Sarah moved from Connecticut to
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  Speaker 1: California and began building this mansion. One theory being that,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, she spoke to a psychic and that
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  Speaker 1: psychic told her to move and that the spirits of
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  Speaker 1: the people killed by the Winchester guns demanded it. Another
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  Speaker 1: theory was that Sarah believed that as soon as construction
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  Speaker 1: was complete, she would die, which in a way, that
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  Speaker 1: is what happened, but it's more of you know, she
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: died and the construction was finally able to stop, as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to vice versa.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Another theory suggests that she built the house like a
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  Speaker 1: maze in order to keep her para normal tormentors at
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  Speaker 1: bay and to try and invade them, as she would
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: sleep in a different room every night and take different
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  Speaker 1: paths through her home daily.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Wow, so that she was like fully freaked out, like she.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Was convinced she was either seeing some shit or really
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: believed like what the psychic had told her, which sounds
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: just like a horrible life to live. Yeah, So basically
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: she was she built this crazy, you know, maze of
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: a house to evade the spirits, so that would account
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: for like why there was the staircases and the secret
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: passages and all that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so that makes sense. She was trying to
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: like throw them off and have it be okay. Yeah,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I understand, which, like.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: You know, spirits I guess can travel through stairs and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: walls and things. So yeah, but in her mind, you know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: maybe that was like the safest thing for her to do.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: So basic, she's building this house NonStop because if not,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: she's gonna die.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: But she's also while she's building it, trying to make
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: it tricky so that any potential spirit will get confused.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Right exactly, Okay, And it makes me wonder if she
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: really was being like tormented by something.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, she must have been. She had to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: have been, like, you don't I get the continuing construction
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: because she doesn't want to die, yeah, but the making
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it all like crazy, she must have like been somewhat
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: tormented by it. Yeah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: In nineteen oh six, a massive earthquake occurred and crushed
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the top three stories of the house, while also damaging
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the other four stories along with it. It's rumored that
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Sarah thought this to be a sign from the spirits
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: that she was too close to completion, so she actually
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: ordered the unfinished front half of the house to be
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: boarded up, so never to be completed. Essentially, Wow, that
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: portion of the home is now open, but signs of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: damage from the earthquake are still clearly visible. Okay, okay,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: So now let's discuss some more of the spookier side
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: of this mystery mansion. Fun little fact. In nineteen twenty
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: four Houdini visited the Winchester mansion during his nationwide tour
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to sort of debunk the ghostly activity. So even he
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: had heard about like this crazy mansion and like what
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: was going on, you know, with Sarah Winchester and everything.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In twenty fourteen Paranormal and I've seen this episode
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Paranormal Investigators, Zach Begans of travel channels Ghost Adventures visited
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the mansion and he brought along Sylvia Brown and a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: medium by the name of our psychic by the name
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: of Sylvia Brown and a medium named James Van Prague.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming is Sylvia Brown the psychic that was on
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the show when Amanda Berry when her mom went.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: On it on Ghost Adventures, No on, Like, oh that
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: name does ring a bell.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I think she might have been the psychic that told
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Amanda Berry's mom that she was dead.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, because one of the did you ever watch the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: show Ghost Adventures?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I haven't because I get really freaked out, but I should.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Well, there's an investigator, and I guess she considered herself
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: somewhat of a psychic. That was her and her husband
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: like frequently were guests on the show. And he killed
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: her and then killed hisself. Yeah god, yeah, and like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: everyone thinks that he was like possessed and all this
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: stuff because of like what they did. Let's see, Yeah
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: it was her. Oh that's crazy, all right, so we
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: all believe.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: What she said. Yeah, we don't believe what she says,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: because she told Amanda Barry's mom that Amanda Barry was
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: no longer live even though she was.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Well, allegedly these two people channeled Sarah Winchester in a
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: seance dinner, so, you know, like a dinner with a seance.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never heard of that, but allegedly
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: dinner with hands sounds riveting. Yeah, So they claimed to
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: have channeled Sarah Winchester, and the medium claimed that Sarah
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: expressed happiness that the house had so many visitors, which
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I have like a fifty to fifty
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: things on those kind of people. Like sometimes I'm like,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, but then other times I'm like, you're full
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: of shit, You're just trying to make money.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like I don't know if Sarah would be
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: happy that people were visiting, Like I feel like she
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: would be like freaked out that people.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Were like something would happen, yeah, and like disrupt the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: spirits or something exactly. Yeah, And there have been like
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: other paranormal investigative teams that have gone out there. I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: think Ghost Hunters, which is another show. I think they
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: went out there. Yeah, and just like you know, those
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: kind of crowds at draws of course.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: But both visitors and employees claim to have seen like
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: spooky sightings.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, you know, I definitely believe that spooky
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: things happen, so you know, yeah, me too, be very true.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I do. I do. I believe think. I believe in
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you know, presences and things like that. So a number
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of employees as well as some visitors, like I said,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: claim to have come across a man named Clyde aka
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the Willbarrow Ghost, who has a little mustache and is
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: sometimes seen pushing a willbarrow in the basement or trying
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: to repair the fireplace in the ballroom. He has he
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: has been described to management like, Wow, we really like
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the actor who was repairing the ballroom fireplace wearing white
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: overalls and a Victorian voter hat. And the management is like, Uh,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: we don't have any actors. We've never hired any actors.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So it actually came to light that there was a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: former worker on the property known as Clyde who seems
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: to now be a popular resident at the Winchester estate. Okay,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: and one of the websites I use, which I'll of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: course source them all in the notes the show notes below.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: But there's actually a picture of him, or a picture
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: of like a group of men from like that time,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and he's the one on the far right, and he
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: looks spooky to me. He doesn't look like me some
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: friendly white overall Victorian boter hat guy. Like he looks like,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you know, because they're all not smiling, they're just kind
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: of like gazing into the camera.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, that definitely sounds very spooky. Wooky.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There are also reports of gentle tugs on clothing
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: during tours, and another report from a long time maintenance
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: worker named Denny, who claimed one morning after entering the
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: water tower, he heard the patcher of little footsteps like
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: above him, so he went up to let the trespasser
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: know that the three story structure was off limits, but
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the footsteps always seemed to be one step ahead or
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: one floor above, and his search ended up on the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: roof with absolutely no one inside.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Oh that's so creepy.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard footsteps before, and that is a creepy
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: feeling because it's like my mind always goes to like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: an actual person, like an intruder, not a ghostly person.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: So that's more terrifying to me.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: When we moved into our house was when like the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: trend on TikTok was going around where you use that
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: like filter to see if there's anything, and I wanted
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: to do it so bad just moved in, and I
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: was like, if I do this and see something, I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: will lose my shit. I can't live.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Oh but oh my gosh, like those videos freaked me
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: out so much.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never did those either because of that exact reason.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I have to have to continue
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: living in this place and the house that I used
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: to live in. Someone actually did die there. Do you
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: remember that?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you would like definitely see and hear things there.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, I definitely did, and it was it was not
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it was uncomfortable to say the least.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you're not there anymore.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. So the most commonly reported supernatural occurrences
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: is the appearance of shadowy human shape manifestations. Shadow figures
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that resemble people are reportedly seen roaming around corners, down
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: long hallways, and appearing in windows. In twenty fifteen, a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: former marketing director employed by the house actually captured a
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: photo where there appears to be a human shaped apparition
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: looking out from the second story window onto the front gardens.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I saw the picture, and honestly, it was very difficult
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: for me to make out a person. It's like a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: glare more so. But it's definitely there's a contrast between
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: like all the other windows in that window. So I
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: could see how some would think that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: The Winchester Mystery House was named one of Time Magazine's
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: top ten most Haunted houses in America, which that's like
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a big time wow.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty Yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: So as of now, the mansion is available for tours.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: There is a self guided tour and the Sarah Winchester
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Garden Tour, which is a tour of the outside premises
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: of the home, which is on six acres I believe.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: So that's a pretty good sized tour in my opinion. Yeah.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: The garden tour has many points of interest, such as
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the greenhouse, a tank house, and a fruit drying shed,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: which I just thought that was funny.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know why.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: And there are also flashlight tours around Halloween and every
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Friday the thirteenth.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Ooh, nope, yeah, thank you.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I think that would be kind of cool.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I like spooky stuff like that, Like I'm all into it,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: like balls to the wall, ready to get scared and spooky.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I like reading about it, I don't like being in
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: experiencing it. Yeah, Like I can read about it here it,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: listen to it, watch it, but not in person. I'm good.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I can get that. So that is the spooky and
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: tragic tale of Sarah Winchester and the Winchester Mystery Mansion,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and I just love that story so much. I don't
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: know why. I guess because it's like history and spooky stuff,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: which are two things I find really interesting. Yeah, and
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to share it with you guys.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: So I hope some of you haven't heard it, and
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: it's a new little tale and you can share it
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: with your friends and get all spooky and scared.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh that was so good. And even though I've
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: heard it, like I don't, I didn't remember a lot
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: of that. So yeah, that was like I am full
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: on spooked and ready for Halloween.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So this one, I hope you guys did enjoy.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I hope that you liked it. As always, make sure
• 30:54
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• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I will be sharing all the spooky pictures that I
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: came across, and you guys, of course, are welcome to
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: tell us what you think, as well as just pictures
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: of Sarah and her husband William and anything else that
• 31:10
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• 31:15
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• 31:18
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• 31:22
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• 31:24
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• 31:28
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• 31:31
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• 31:35
  Speaker 2: not a ton of discussion necessarily, but I've been seeing
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: more people join and looking at the posts and stuff.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: So yeah, we love to post in there as well
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and see your guys comments on things like that, especially
• 31:46
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• 31:49
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• 31:55
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• 31:57
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• 32:01
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• 32:04
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• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in Human podcast. We should probably we should probably
• 32:12
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• 32:16
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• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I was thinking that too, but I didn't know if
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: someone already had it, and that's why we didn't do
• 32:21
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• 32:22
  Speaker 2: But no, I think I didn't when I created it.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I didn't do it because to say thank Yeah, but
• 32:29
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• 32:34
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• 32:37
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• 32:41
  Speaker 2: No, that was really good. I'm really excited that you
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: did a spooky case.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a couple more I think plan, well,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: at least one more plan before Halloween.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: So all right, yeah, I might do one or two.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Also I have to decide. Yeah, there's some I want
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: to cover.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: But well, thank you guys, thank you than y'all so
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: much for listening, and we will catch up with you
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: on Thursday, and until then, keep it human.
• 33:07
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