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Football at Four: Detailing New Eagles OC Sean Mannion's Influences · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We're going to continue to hear about the who of
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: And at his latest article at Phillyvoice dot.
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  Speaker 1: Com, Jeff Moscher referenced this conversation that Sean Manion had
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  Speaker 1: when he was hired to be the Packers quarterback coach
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  Speaker 1: Here is new Eagles offensive coator Sean Mannion two years
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  Speaker 1: ago when he was introduced as the Packers quarterback coach.
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  Speaker 3: Blessed throughout my playing career, you know, to get to
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  Speaker 3: play for a long time. I think that's an asset
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  Speaker 3: that I have in my arsenal to really supplement the
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  Speaker 3: quarterback room. And then, you know, I was really lucky
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  Speaker 3: throughout my playing career to cross paths with a number
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  Speaker 3: of great coaches, and for me as a player, I
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  Speaker 3: always knew that this would be the next step. So
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  Speaker 3: I was really attacking my playing career with this kind
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  Speaker 3: of in the back of my mind of soaking up
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  Speaker 3: as much knowledge as I could to weaponize it for
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  Speaker 3: now this new.
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  Speaker 4: Role that I'm in here now.
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  Speaker 1: Audio is thanks to Jeff Skavsky's YouTube page via Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Mosher's article at Phillyvoice dot com. Jeff joins us right
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  Speaker 1: now here on the sports bashel and nice of a
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  Speaker 1: three ESPN. Jeff, It's a very interesting word man, you
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  Speaker 1: used a couple of years ago about weaponizing everything he
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  Speaker 1: has learned over the years.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I like it. I mean that was a deliberate
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  Speaker 4: word choice. Most people will tell you that they're just
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  Speaker 4: learning and trying to soak up as much as information
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  Speaker 4: as possible and apply it. But I like how he
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  Speaker 4: used the word weaponize it, and I think it's pretty
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  Speaker 4: appropriate given that the foundations of the offenses that he's
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  Speaker 4: played under or coached under. They all they're not the same,
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  Speaker 4: but a lot of them are similar in how they
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  Speaker 4: are designed, and weaponizing is a good way to use
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  Speaker 4: the way you think of some of these coaches who
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  Speaker 4: he coached or played for.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the things you highlight and people give
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  Speaker 1: read the full article at Phillyvoice dot com of all
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  Speaker 1: the people that he has worked with over the years.
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  Speaker 1: But I think one of the interesting parts of the
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  Speaker 1: list that you put out there, Jeff, because again it's
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  Speaker 1: been many different people that Mannion has kind of gleaned
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  Speaker 1: and gathered from from basically over a day decade, either
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  Speaker 1: playing or coaching in the NFL now. But I think
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  Speaker 1: two of the names that are interesting are the back
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  Speaker 1: to back names of the father and son duo, Gary
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  Speaker 1: and Clint Kubiak. You know, two guys you maybe don't get,
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  Speaker 1: you know, looked at enough in this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you highlighted them because you're talking about a
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  Speaker 1: guy and Gary Kubiak a direct branch off of the
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  Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan tree. And then of course Clint his son
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  Speaker 1: is now got Sam Donald and the Seahawks in Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl sixty.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean you talk about two a family of offensive
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  Speaker 4: minds who've accomplished a lot. Gary has mentioned three Super
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  Speaker 4: Bowl rings, two of the coordinator, one of the coach.
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  Speaker 4: Clint might get one here on Sunday, which I expect
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  Speaker 4: that he will. And I can't imagine. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how many. I suppose because of Mike and Kyle Shanahan.
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  Speaker 4: I was trying to think of how many quarterbacks or
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  Speaker 4: players were coached by a father and son Tombo, But like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody's in separate, Stints has done it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he was with the Vikings when Kevin Stefanski
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  Speaker 4: was the offensive coordinator. That was his first year with
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  Speaker 4: the Vikings and Gary Kubiak was the assistant offensive head
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  Speaker 4: coach as as the head coach slash something on offense.
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  Speaker 4: But and then you know, he left for Seattle, didn't
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  Speaker 4: make the team, came back and then all of a
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  Speaker 4: sudden clink, Kubiak is the offensive coordinator. So it was
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  Speaker 4: really interesting there how he's been in under both Kubiaks.
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  Speaker 4: Two are not necessarily the same. I mean I think
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  Speaker 4: that was one of the things that going through writing
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  Speaker 4: the story about the mcveay, Shanahan Kubiak tree is how
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  Speaker 4: different similarly structured, but how they get there differently now,
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  Speaker 4: especially McVeigh who's really adapted his offense a lot from
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  Speaker 4: when he first became the Rams head coach. And then
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  Speaker 4: you look at Kyle Shanahan, whose offense has adapted from
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  Speaker 4: Mike Shanahans, but it itself has really remained the same
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  Speaker 4: for as long as he's been the forty nine Ers
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  Speaker 4: head coach.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at you just mentioned, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: the there's all these slight variations. So then what is
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  Speaker 1: obviously we can't fully predict this, but like, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think the variation might be for a former quarterback doing.
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  Speaker 2: One of the systems, because one of these people might
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  Speaker 2: not remember, is you know.
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Shannon's a former wide receiver, he never actually played
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  Speaker 1: quarterback at any major levels, whereas a guy like Gary
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  Speaker 1: Kubac was john always backup as a quarterback. So is
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  Speaker 1: there maybe maybe a and I'm maybe I'm I'm really
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  Speaker 1: strip on here, but maybe is there maybe a more
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  Speaker 1: fluid connection between Gary Kubiak and a guy like Sean
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  Speaker 1: Mannion versus maybe some of the other coaches.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, Kellen Moore was a quarterback, so if
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  Speaker 4: we're if we're looking for that kind of reason to
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  Speaker 4: if we're wondering with Sean what his impact as a
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  Speaker 4: quarterback will be on the offense. And you hear him talk,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he's really big on and this is something
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  Speaker 4: that of course not only Gary Kubiak and Clinton and Shannan,
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  Speaker 4: although really good offensive minds are all about is your
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  Speaker 4: timing and your footwork, and then secondarily to that, from
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  Speaker 4: a play calling standpoint, making sure that there's the right
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  Speaker 4: kind of marriage between your run game and your pass
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  Speaker 4: game based on your timing and your footwork so that
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  Speaker 4: everything makes sense, so that when you're taking say your
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  Speaker 4: third step and a drop, that is exactly the same
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  Speaker 4: time that a receiver is making the correct break, so
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  Speaker 4: that you can throw a ball in a window where
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  Speaker 4: that receiver is supposed to be as opposed to waiting
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  Speaker 4: for him to get open. That's all supposed to have
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  Speaker 4: the right type of timing and rhythm to it. As
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  Speaker 4: the tenant, right, the basic tenant of a Bill Walsh offense,
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  Speaker 4: or that Paul Brown and Bill Walsh, that trickle down
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  Speaker 4: to Mike Homegrin, to Andy Reid, to Mike Shanahan, all
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  Speaker 4: the people that we speak of today that run some
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  Speaker 4: kind of veryation of the West Coast offense. So I
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  Speaker 4: would I would say, like, that's really what you're looking for,
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  Speaker 4: that to be brought to the Eagles with Sean Mannion.
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  Speaker 4: But that's a kind of a wait and see because,
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  Speaker 4: as I mentioned in a different story, you know, Kellen
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  Speaker 4: Moore came in here and tried to bring concepts to
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  Speaker 4: the offense that he didn't blend with both the Eagles
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  Speaker 4: were doing, but you hoped would and didn't really in
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  Speaker 4: the end, and the Super Bowl kind of covered it up.
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  Speaker 4: But the pass offense wasn't in decline outside of the
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  Speaker 4: you know, the breakout in the Conference championship in Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Talking with Jeff Motion from the Inside of the BIRS
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  Speaker 1: podcast Inside the BIRS dot Com also Phillyvoice dot Com
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  Speaker 1: his latest article about the influences of new Eagles offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator Sean Mannion. Jeff, we know that Mannion is very
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  Speaker 1: highly regarded by you know, guys like Nick Foles. Thinks
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  Speaker 1: he's extremely bright, and a lot of good things to
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  Speaker 1: say about him on his season podcast. But coming off
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  Speaker 1: of the Kevin Batulo one year era, what is a
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  Speaker 1: realistic expectation for a galie Sean Manu, Because you know, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: you heard the comments many of us heard people are
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  Speaker 1: fans saying anyone's better than this guy at Patula. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Sean Manum fits into the category of anyone.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I really don't know what to expect.
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  Speaker 4: And you keep hearing comparisons and Kellen Moore comes up.
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  Speaker 4: And Kellen Moore is a guy who before he got
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  Speaker 4: to the Eagles, obviously, you know, was a quarterback in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL for a few years, retired immediately, like literally immediately,
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  Speaker 4: I believe, became the quarterbacks coach of the Cowboys. That's
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  Speaker 4: big swing right there, to not even making like a
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  Speaker 4: quality control and it's unconventional. And then a year later
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  Speaker 4: he is a play calling offensive coordinator for the Cowboys
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  Speaker 4: and they have the number one offense. So there's a
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  Speaker 4: precedent by a person who played that position the way
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  Speaker 4: Manion did back up, learned under different you know, his
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  Speaker 4: influence with Scott Scott Linehan right, different kind of offense,
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  Speaker 4: but he obviously clearly took what he learned and applied
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  Speaker 4: it immediately and had success. I actually wrote a story
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  Speaker 4: for Philly Voice today, Josh that looked at the last
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  Speaker 4: five or six Eagles offensive play callers who did it
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  Speaker 4: for the first time and what level of success that
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  Speaker 4: they had. And it's a mixed bag. And very few
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  Speaker 4: of them, by the way, are a whit manion, and
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  Speaker 4: that they just came straight from literally retiring as a player.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's just not a path you're ordinarily going
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  Speaker 4: to see. But we obviously know what happened at Patulo.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Brian Johnson in retrospect, there's two ways to
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  Speaker 4: look at it. He actually finished with the top ten offense.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, if you go look at the where
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  Speaker 4: the Eagles offense ranked under Brian Johnson, you would have said, man,
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  Speaker 4: if he was the play caller this year, they would
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  Speaker 4: have won the Super Bowl, even if he's not great,
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  Speaker 4: because he was with without even think Klon Barkley, able
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  Speaker 4: to produce a functional offense that did well in categories.
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  Speaker 4: But then you do look at the implosion in the
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  Speaker 4: one and seven or one in six stretch. There they
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  Speaker 4: scored less than twenty points about five times seven games,
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  Speaker 4: so they were clearly on a decline, and it's understandable.
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  Speaker 4: You go back to Doug Peterson. Tug Peterson never called
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  Speaker 4: plays until they became head coach of the Eagles, and
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  Speaker 4: he also didn't have a ton of coaching experience under
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  Speaker 4: Andy Reid as well. You know, quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 4: who didn't call out plays for a few years, did
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  Speaker 4: a good job in year one, but then really started
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  Speaker 4: to hit his decline. I'm sorry. Year one was decent.
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  Speaker 4: Year two they win a Super Bowl, was great, and
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  Speaker 4: then a decline in each of the last three years.
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  Speaker 4: And the same thing happened to him in Jacksonville, where
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  Speaker 4: that first year he had a top seve offense and
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  Speaker 4: then declined client So what it showed me was that
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  Speaker 4: Doug was not a bad terrible play caller, but he
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  Speaker 4: was unable to counter punch to the adjustments made to
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  Speaker 4: his success. Chip Kelly was a great play caller in
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  Speaker 4: college and had two top five offenses in his first
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  Speaker 4: few years with the Eagles, but he also inherited Leshan
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  Speaker 4: McCoy to de Shawn Jackson, Jerry Macklin, Michael Vig, Nick Foss,
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  Speaker 4: so it was almost unfair to judge him and if
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  Speaker 4: he actually go through his first year or two, man,
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  Speaker 4: did they get fat off some really bad teams scoring
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  Speaker 4: forty at fifty points? There were a lot of twenty
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  Speaker 4: to twenty five point games or lower in his first
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  Speaker 4: two years, And then of course we saw what he
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  Speaker 4: did in s Everything's going then this year as Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a mixed bag. The one thing I think
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  Speaker 4: I gleaned from it, Josh, is that some of these
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  Speaker 4: guys like Andy Reid, first time play caller after seventeen
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  Speaker 4: years of coaching, gets hired by the Eagles, right, first
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  Speaker 4: time play caller, first year, I think the thirtieth frank
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  Speaker 4: confidence because they didn't have that much offensive firepower, but
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  Speaker 4: then he emerged into one of the elite play callers
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  Speaker 4: in the league. How much will Sean Manion be given
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  Speaker 4: an opportunity to go through maybe some first year struggles
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  Speaker 4: that ordinarily you would expect from somebody, and then be
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  Speaker 4: able to stick around if things go haywire next year.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the big question. And clearly it got
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  Speaker 4: the best of Brian Johnson. He didn't get a chance
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  Speaker 4: to improve upon what was not a disastrous first year,
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  Speaker 4: just not a good one. So that's where you're left
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  Speaker 4: wondering about the future of the franchise. If if twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty six isn't so good, what does that mean for.
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  Speaker 1: Mannin if I get backtrack something you brought about about
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  Speaker 1: Doug Peterson, I think one of the parts that gets
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  Speaker 1: overlooked at times as well, what the Doug Peterson era was.
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  Speaker 1: There were differences, Jeff for the Eagles between when Doug
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  Speaker 1: had Frank Reich and when he didn't have Frank Reich.
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  Speaker 1: And it wasn't all bad without Frank, but there were
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  Speaker 1: some obvious things.
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  Speaker 2: So could we maybe look at the hiring of.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Gizard being maybe a bit to Sean Manning what
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  Speaker 1: Frank Reich was to Doug Peterson.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't want to discount I know at
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  Speaker 4: ITV we might be considered having a little bit of bias,
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  Speaker 4: but I think it's it's fair and deserve. But can
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  Speaker 4: also discount John p. Filippo his impact on the offense
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  Speaker 4: and the coaching of Carson Wentz those first two years
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  Speaker 4: because when he left, along with Frank right leaving, that's
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  Speaker 4: when the offense really started to hit the Skins. And
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  Speaker 4: we know that both Frank and de Filippo John were
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  Speaker 4: involved in situational offense. One of them did third down
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  Speaker 4: theers at red doone. I forget offhand which one was
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  Speaker 4: in charge of which. But the Eagles were very good
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  Speaker 4: situationally underdog for the first two years there. So those
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  Speaker 4: were two big losses. And then so to relay that
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  Speaker 4: to this with having Joskar Zard, Yeah, I think you're
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  Speaker 4: asking if if it sort of helps to have that
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  Speaker 4: second experience play caller, slash court pass name coordinator in
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  Speaker 4: manu ins fact pocket.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, having another guy in his ear.
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the problems, at least my perception was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when you have a guy like Petullo, m
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  Speaker 1: the most experienced guy on the staff was what Scott.
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  Speaker 4: Leffler right right, There was nobody there to be able
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  Speaker 4: to give a life preserver to Patullo. That is absolutely fair.
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  Speaker 4: Nick tried to help, he said it, he said, I
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  Speaker 4: was more involved with the offense, and the offense continued
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  Speaker 4: to stink. So that's all you need to know about that.
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  Speaker 4: I do think Grizzard will obviously be helpful, and what
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  Speaker 4: I think it means most though, Josh is the team's
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  Speaker 4: commitment to implementing a kind of offense that we haven't
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  Speaker 4: seen here because obviously Bizarre coached under both Mike McDaniel
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  Speaker 4: and Liam Cohen. So you're talking about the Shanahan Tree
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  Speaker 4: and McVeigh tree, and we're sitting here talking about the
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  Speaker 4: same thing about Sean Manyon, who is from the quote
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  Speaker 4: unquote Kukak Shanahan Tree and McVeigh tree right. So to me,
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  Speaker 4: by bringing him in, you're not just giving him an
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  Speaker 4: experienced play caller slash offensive mind, but someone who sees
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  Speaker 4: the game similarly and these offensive concepts similarly to the
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  Speaker 4: way that Mannion does. So that that help. That's helpful
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  Speaker 4: when you're trying to put together an offense and put
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  Speaker 4: together your situational packages. You're third down here, fourth down,
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  Speaker 4: your red zone and everything that these two guys are
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  Speaker 4: very likely to be on the same page because they
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  Speaker 4: have similar backgrounds and want to do similar things. I
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  Speaker 4: would say we've seen the results of this the other way,
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  Speaker 4: Like when you have Sewan Desai and Matt Patrician, two
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  Speaker 4: guys in two different backgrounds trying to come together and
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  Speaker 4: put a defense together, that went to you know what,
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  Speaker 4: and then one had to go over to the other
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  Speaker 4: and they were unfamiliar with each other schemes and it
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  Speaker 4: was a total disaster.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that brings us to the other part
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  Speaker 1: of this conversation with Jeff most from the Inside the
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  Speaker 1: is which I do. Also Philly Voice dot com Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Mosher's latest article with all the coaches that you listed
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  Speaker 1: management influenced by and knowing you know some about Mannion
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  Speaker 1: as we do. Now, what do you think this ultimately
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  Speaker 1: means when it comes to communicating with the quarterback Jillen
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  Speaker 1: Hurts Because we have seen certain coaches, Jeff, they have
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  Speaker 1: been able, like Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma, Shane Steichen in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Some of these coaches have really gotten
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  Speaker 1: some good things out of Jillen Hurts, while others not
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  Speaker 1: so much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a good question. And also I'm
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  Speaker 4: very interested to see if there are other moves on
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  Speaker 4: the Eagles offensive staff to bring in more people that
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  Speaker 4: you know, I have no idea what will happen to
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  Speaker 4: Scott Offler. Will see if he keeps a job or not,
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  Speaker 4: or maybe if there's like an assistant quarterbacks coach who's
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more from that tree where the timing
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  Speaker 4: and the anticipation throws are all within sync of the
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  Speaker 4: footwork that you're taught and the drops that you're taking.
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  Speaker 4: So I do think it's important to have that. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we're we're going to see if this style of coaching
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  Speaker 4: and the style of offense blends with what Jale Hurts
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  Speaker 4: can do. We know he hasn't done it before because
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  Speaker 4: he hasn't been asked to play in the style of offense.
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  Speaker 4: I never put a lid on anybody. I love the
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  Speaker 4: opportunity to see it, and I'll believe that Jale Hurts
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  Speaker 4: will have the capacites to it until proven otherwise. So
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  Speaker 4: it's one kind of one of the things in twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty's I think most of us observers are really interested
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  Speaker 4: in finding out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm very fascinated because again, you look through all
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  Speaker 1: the voices that have been it hurts his ear over
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  Speaker 1: the years, and it's apparent that he has responded to
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  Speaker 1: certain guys better than others, and frankly, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: look at a guy like Jillen Hurts, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he's this like obstinate, stubborn SOB who's like, you know.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I only give this one Like, I don't think he's
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: that guy necessarily.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I do think he might have some elements to his
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: personality that are not very relatable, and maybe it's hard
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to connect with a guy like that. But I don't
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: think that he's like walking around the building till everybody
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: go f off all the time.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: No, but I'm to your point on that. I'm not
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: sure because I do remember him once in a press
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: conference and you can't you know, words or words, but
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: somebody asked him about the construct of the offense, I
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: think in the middle of the year, how it's gonna look,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: and he said, like, the offense is going to look
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: the way I want it to look, Okay, And that
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: can be interpreted a whole lot of different ways, including
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: the way you were saying you don't think he should
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: be viewed as I think that that gave you evidence
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: to say maybe he should be viewed as that kind
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: of guy who's going to run the office where he
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: wants to, not the way somebody tells him that they
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: want it to be run. So but I don't know.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: I don't want to take one quote from a press
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: conference set to me, it's a very clear quote and
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: in context, but I don't want to overexaggerate it because
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of things are said. That's why I'm using
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: this upcoming year as sort of a the litmus test
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: to say.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and to that point about this upcoming year, Jeff,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's where we can we can start winding
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: this down, which is, you know, with a guy like Manion,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe he can have a conversation with Hurtz
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: that maybe you know, Petullo couldn't, you know, or maybe
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: like a Brian Johnson couldn't where maybe Johnson's like I've
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: known this guy since he.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Was a kid. Maybe Petullo's like, everybody likes me in
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: the building.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be the bad guy, you know,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and where whereas you know, maybe Manion could be the
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: outsider coming in and you know, be the kind of
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: guy who walks in and he'd just be like, hey, guys,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna we're gonna clean some stuff up
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: here because I've been watching you from the outside.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I'm a new set of eyes here.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's where this team needs, is just a
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: guy who is not the same old person in the building.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: It's possible, Josh. It's possible that it's the right person
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: in the right time too. You know, it's maybe a
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: couple of years ago with Kellen who probably wanted to
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: do some more things offensively that didn't happen. It's possibly
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: you could think that Jalen Hurts was, you know, coming
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: off of an implosure. But I still won eleven games
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: that year and the year before they were in the
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: super Bowl, and he played great, and he just wasn't
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: ready at that time to think that wholesale changes were needed.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: But now, even after winning the Super Bowl in twenty
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: twenty four and struggling with a pass offensive then the
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: way it was here in twenty twenty five, maybe it's
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: the right time and the right place, the right person
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: with manion relatability to convince Hill and that wholesale changes
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: really are necessary and that it always does start with
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: the quarterback.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, He's Jeff Most got his full article of all
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the people who have influenced Sean mannin the Eagles new
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: offensive coiners or at Phillyvoice dot com. Also make sure
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: you subscribe to the Inside the Bird podcast, where we
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: get your podcasts as well as the YouTube channel and
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: tomorrow through Friday, Jeff, it'll be Adam Kaplan at Radio
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Road joining Mike Gil and the Sports Bash.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Correct sounds great.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking forward to you hearing you guys. I'm,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: you know, back here like you are, so I'm looking
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: forward to hearing everything.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Well, at least one of us is still back here
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: with me, so.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Together we fight together.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: We fight on a'll word it upward, Jeff. Always appreciate
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: you man
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: All right, take care, Josh,