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#460 - Rum Nitty · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1: Boy, rum Nitty don't want you to check me out
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Speaker 1: on the Bootleg cav podcast. Huh zon Zones on.
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Speaker 2: Yo Man, the Bootlet cav Podcast. We got a special
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Speaker 2: guests in here, rum Nitty.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah man. What's the word welcome?
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Speaker 2: Welcome, sir, appreciate you long overdue representing Phoenix man my hometown.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what part of Phoenix? You're from? West side? Like
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Speaker 1: we're at the forty thirty Times VG. You're in the
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Speaker 1: VGs man. Shout out to all the murder veils.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you are in the fucking shits for sure. Shout
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Speaker 2: out to Maryville man, shout out to the veil man. Yeah, no,
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Speaker 2: that's crazy. I always tell everybody, like, who doesn't say
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Speaker 2: like Phoenix got because you know, the south side is
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Speaker 2: kind of nice.
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Speaker 1: Now your south side has been coming up, the new
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Speaker 1: houses over there. South side has been the grimmiest for
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Speaker 1: the longest for sure.
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Speaker 2: But it's like, Yo, I remember we were driving. I
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Speaker 2: had a bunch of my homies from out of town
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Speaker 2: in Arizona, and we drove from like downtown Phoenix to
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Speaker 2: uh to the West Gate.
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Speaker 1: I took the streets.
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Speaker 2: I was like, you know, you take the streets. You
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Speaker 2: go through all the ship. I was like, yeah, this
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Speaker 2: this ship is active over here, dog, and it's like
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Speaker 2: the West Side is viralss fuck. Now you see that
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Speaker 2: TikTok account. The dude like goes in interviews all the
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Speaker 2: crackheads and like prostitutes and ships from the streets.
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Speaker 1: I've been hearing about this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all on like twenty seventh Avenue and like
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Speaker 2: fucking Camelback or like thirty fifth Avenue.
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Speaker 1: Some of the most grammiest parts of the city. The Blade, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: shit is crazy. Shout out to the Blade.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to the Blade. My goodness. Anyway, So
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Speaker 2: for people who don't know, man, obviously you're one of
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Speaker 2: the most legendary battle rappers of all time at this point.
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Speaker 2: How long? First of all, how did you get started
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Speaker 2: wrapping in general out of the city.
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Speaker 1: Just yeah, me and my little bro was doing this
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Speaker 1: just as a hobby. Yeah, just like everybody else.
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Speaker 2: What a year where you, like did you feel like
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Speaker 2: you started like recording taking a serious type shit recording.
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Speaker 1: Taking it serious? I would say around two thousand, fourth
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Speaker 1: got three four or fever, So.
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Speaker 2: That was like around the era of like an as
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Speaker 2: like sitting Q Willie north Pole.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely know what I'm saying. We looked up
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Speaker 1: to all him still do.
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Speaker 2: Man Squad was cracking. Was that the name Atlas?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I remember Atlas. We sucked for that.
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Speaker 2: What Atlae was? He called himself the king as Remember
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Speaker 2: you had that album?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Remember that? Yeah, shout out to Alice.
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Speaker 2: Shout to Poker Fay, shout out to uh Survivalists, book
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Speaker 2: I remember Survivalist.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Booky was that dude?
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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. So when did you, like, did you
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Speaker 2: guys get any traction making music or did you not
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Speaker 2: get any traction until.
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Speaker 1: You ended up doing the battling? Yeah? Yeah, the battle was.
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Speaker 1: The battling really kind of like broke the door down
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Speaker 1: for me. But I didn't intend to be a battler,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I started battle rapping just
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Speaker 1: to get notoriety so I can then later do my music.
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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody at that time knew battle rap
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Speaker 1: was gonna become what he became for me for sure.
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Speaker 2: Not like, so was there a scene in Phoenix for
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Speaker 2: the Battleship Because I always tell everybody like, I'm fucking
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Speaker 2: diehard hip hop right right? But the battle rap niche
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Speaker 2: like outside when I was growing up and we were
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Speaker 2: down like like whatever was on the mother like old
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Speaker 2: school fucking DVDs or like Juice battling people on Napster
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Speaker 2: ju Weis and all that stuff, like the whole new
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Speaker 2: era of battling. Every once in a while, I'll catch one,
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Speaker 2: especially when like world Stars more popular because world Star
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Speaker 2: always posts them. But it's just like the whole world
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Speaker 2: has just missed me. Bro No, Like I know the names,
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, but it's definitely like you know,
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Speaker 2: like my boy Interstate Fats Free Free, Interstate Fats Fats
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Speaker 2: was adult battle. Yeah, he was at a Vegas but
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Speaker 2: but there was like a scene in Vegas that A
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Speaker 2: had seen. Was there something going on similar in Phoenix?
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Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, Sandtrap we had the sayd trap Man,
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Speaker 1: shout out to Keith wright Man. Keith wright was he
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Speaker 1: kind of started everything as far as from what I know,
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Speaker 1: as far as the battle rap scene out here in Phoenix.
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Speaker 1: So that was the first few I connected with. We
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Speaker 1: was just doing it locally for some like I was betting.
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Speaker 1: I was betting on my own pocket type shit, so
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Speaker 1: you were like putting your own bread up. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: because at that time, I didn't think this was going
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Speaker 1: to be a career or anything like that. I was
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Speaker 1: just trying to at that time. I would even on
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Speaker 1: No Notoriety. Shit, I was just trying to get some bread.
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Speaker 1: He was just betting, and I just felt like I
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Speaker 1: was good enough to do it.
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Speaker 2: Did you ever freestyle on mail ab Back in the
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Speaker 2: day there was like the male aff ciphers were a thing, bro,
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Speaker 2: But it's not. No, I never did that way back,
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Speaker 2: Like I'm talking like shit. One thing I did was
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Speaker 2: U two Tones. Two Tone had a tournament back in
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Speaker 2: the day. I want a little freestyle tournament he had
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Speaker 2: back in the day. Oh shit, what year was that?
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Speaker 1: Stick? Twenty twelve? Yeah, that was right before I started
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Speaker 1: Battle record officially.
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Speaker 2: So you go from like four oh five putting out
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Speaker 2: music locally and then you said twenty twelve is when
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Speaker 2: you started to get in the mixing the battleshit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say twenty fourteen is
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Speaker 1: when I got like my first look like outside of
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Speaker 1: the city, right. I think it was me and Danny Marris.
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Speaker 2: Man he was shot to Danny Myers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Danny Maris is a legend of this for sure. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember who you who you beat in the
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Speaker 1: two tone battle? No? I don't, I don't. I ain't
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Speaker 1: gonna lie. Shout out to dude, man, shout out to do.
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Speaker 2: Any local rappers of notoriety and as that you you
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Speaker 2: went up against in any.
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Speaker 1: Battles, battle stacks, a battle. What's he going? What's Syfe
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Speaker 1: going by? Now? I don't know he's going by his
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Speaker 1: DeShawn Corey. Yeah, battle, dude, he just.
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Speaker 2: Won the Maddie Ice, didn't he.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he cause see what he got locked up
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Speaker 2: right and it got out?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I already got locked up for something. But I
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Speaker 1: battled him. I battled Jay Fross. J. Fross was like,
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Speaker 1: I remember that dog, Jay Fross. He had a twin too.
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Speaker 1: I forgot this. I remember that name, forgot his, I
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Speaker 1: forgot his twin name. But I battled both of them.
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Speaker 1: But they was like the top dog when I first
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Speaker 1: started battle Raven out here, He's like, you got a battle,
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Speaker 1: j Kid White White was one up. They was like
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Speaker 1: top dogs in the city. Yo.
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Speaker 2: So you end up going in twenty fourteen and getting
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Speaker 2: your first national Look what was that.
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Speaker 1: Battle Kinga not reached out to me. After I did
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Speaker 1: the Stacks battle, shout out to Bolo TV. My battled
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Speaker 1: on Bolo TV the Distax battle, and Jay Fox from
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Speaker 1: the Suns reached out to me. It was like, Yo,
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get you on King of the Dot.
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Speaker 1: They liked your the material, they want to get you
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Speaker 1: over here, but they wasn't paying for my flight travel,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Room, So I was still
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Speaker 1: coming out of the pocket. Coming out of the pocket
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Speaker 1: at that time, you feel me. But that was like
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Speaker 1: one of my first big looks to West, felt like
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Speaker 1: this might be something.
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Speaker 2: Was there money on the line if you won?
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Speaker 1: No, it was nothing.
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Speaker 2: It's just like we just got.
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Speaker 1: This opportunity to get some views. You know. You know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, get your name? No?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what was your first paid battle where you're like, yo,
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Speaker 2: I'm showing up on getting the bag even if I lose.
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Speaker 2: When when loser draw or was it a battle where
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Speaker 2: you had to had to win the battle to get
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Speaker 2: the money?
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Speaker 1: No, that was more so when when we first started
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Speaker 1: when we was actually betting right, But my first paid
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Speaker 1: battle to where I felt like, no, I just got
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Speaker 1: paid the battle up as when I battled be Magic,
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Speaker 1: I battle be Magic on King of the Dot. I
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Speaker 1: don't remember the year, but I remember right before that
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Speaker 1: they invited me to go to Canada. In my mind,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't got Canada ticket money. You know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't got you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: But shout out less one and aspect. They paid for
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Speaker 1: my ticket, my hotel room. You feel me flew out there,
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Speaker 1: went crazy and after that they started paying. I got
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Speaker 1: paid directly after that.
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Speaker 2: That's fire. I always wonder that too, because like you'll
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Speaker 2: always see, like there's obviously tons of money in.
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Speaker 1: This shit, right My first check was falling it out though,
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Speaker 1: but still, you know what I'm saying. But at the time,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the most I've ever got paid
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Speaker 1: to rap. You know what I'm saying. I've never wrapped
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Speaker 1: and got money outside of betting my own money, you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I'm like, Nah, this is
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Speaker 1: something's working, you know what I'm saying. That's how I'm
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Speaker 1: feeling like something working.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just crazy because it's such like I feel like,
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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, it hasn't hit, like there's been a
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Speaker 2: lot of attempts to make the Battle Wrap circuit a
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Speaker 2: lot more mainstream, like even Drake getting involved. Yeah, but
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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, I feel like it just hasn't gotten
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Speaker 2: over the hump, right, But I feel like it doesn't
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Speaker 2: need to because I feel like if it got over
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Speaker 2: the hump, it's not supposed to be mainstream. It's not
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Speaker 2: supposed to.
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Speaker 1: Feel like this is the getaway from this is what
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Speaker 1: this is like the last true form of hip hop. Right,
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, there's there's no slight to the actual
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Speaker 1: rappers and the people that are doing music. But this
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Speaker 1: is the last true form of just raw hip hop, right,
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Speaker 1: B boying and graffiti, and this is one of the
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Speaker 1: last true forms.
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Speaker 2: So I don't feel like it needs to be commercialized
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Speaker 2: because you won the Drake Battle, the one that Drake
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Speaker 2: was behind the tournament? Yeah, yeah, and so did he
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Speaker 2: put up? How much was that one hundred k?
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Speaker 1: There was one hundred k and then the the last
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Speaker 1: day of the finals he put another fifty k up.
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Speaker 2: So you got a buck fifty off that battle.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Me and my brother get you got to shout
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Speaker 1: out to me my brother. We split that's fire, Yes,
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Speaker 1: Centy fire.
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Speaker 2: That's crazy. Do you feel like because I do feel like,
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Speaker 2: you know, obviously shout to Drake. He did get this
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Speaker 2: dismembered by Kendrick God bless him.
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Speaker 1: But U shout out Drake, shout out Kendrick Man. That
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Speaker 1: was dope.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that for you? What was that like?
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Speaker 2: Being a battle rapper seeing like this. I mean, look,
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Speaker 2: we haven't had a great battle.
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Speaker 1: Right right right years. I was entertained. It was entertained,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I was just being
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Speaker 1: a fan at that time. Like I feel like it
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Speaker 1: was great for hip hop rap in general, like we
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Speaker 1: need battle with I mean, rapping has always been about
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Speaker 1: having confidence, being you know, confident and thinking you're the best.
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Speaker 1: So why not go at the the you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. The other guy that they say is better?
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Speaker 1: You know, I think it was good for the sport.
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Speaker 2: From your perspective as somebody who's battled tons and tons
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Speaker 2: of times, what approach would you have taken if you
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Speaker 2: were a Drake? Because the approach he did take was
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Speaker 2: obviously one that did not pan out for him.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what that's hard to say. I kind
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Speaker 1: of feel like I would have probably laid back a
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Speaker 1: little bit on the singing, singing shit you feel me? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Like Kendrick is a rappers rapper, like he's you know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, he raps his ass off, So I
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Speaker 1: kind of felt like I would have just took a
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Speaker 1: more direct approach. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I felt like also, like the first two disc records obviously,
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Speaker 2: like Family Matters and push Ups weren't just aimed at Kendrick.
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Speaker 2: They were aimed to everybody, So it was like yeah,
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Speaker 2: and like I feel like the ship that he was
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Speaker 2: going at him for was like like being short. I'm like, bro,
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Speaker 2: like we know he's short. Like I feel like Kendrick
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Speaker 2: just like peeled back his whole existence. It wasn't I
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Speaker 2: don't think we've ever seen anything like that before.
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Speaker 1: Bro. We was just talking about it earlier, like this
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Speaker 1: kind of reminded me of rue.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but even that was more like surface of a
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Speaker 2: like you're a bit you saw like a pop tar sweetheart,
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: Like it was like.
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Speaker 2: It was crazy at that time. But like Kendrick, I
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Speaker 2: feel like just like just picked him apart, like piece
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Speaker 2: by piece, lyrical human different as like the human like
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Speaker 2: oh my god, like, I feel like, like you said,
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Speaker 2: like John was never the same, and I feel like
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Speaker 2: Drake will always be Drake and he'll always be the biggest,
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Speaker 2: and he'll and he's gonna come back and he's gonna
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Speaker 2: have other hit records. But I just don't feel like it. Well,
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Speaker 2: I don't think we'll ever look at Drake in terms
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Speaker 2: of like hip hop fans, like real hip hop fans,
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Speaker 2: Like obviously there's a lot of people who are Drake
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Speaker 2: fans that aren't hip hop fans per se. I just
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Speaker 2: don't know if it'll ever be the same for him.
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Speaker 2: What you're saying, was he cool though when you chopped.
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Speaker 1: It up with them? Yeah, real humble, real down to earth,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Cool on what I thought
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Speaker 1: you should have called you to get some bars. Man.
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Speaker 1: A lot of fans was like, man, he should have
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Speaker 1: tapped in with Nitdy and got some of them alien punches. Man.
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Speaker 2: Have you uh Have you ever had somebody like that
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Speaker 2: ever reach out trying to get some ghost writing from you?
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Speaker 1: If I did, I will speak on it. And I'm Michael,
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Speaker 1: because you know what I'm saying, I feel like that's me.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying who but has that ever happened? Like
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Speaker 2: in general, I'm not saying you don't got to tell
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Speaker 2: me who if it's happened. Uh yeah, yeah, that's I mean,
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Speaker 2: hey man, that's a I feel like that's a that's
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Speaker 2: how Royce ben shit shots to roys to five nine.
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Speaker 2: Back in the day, Royce was fucking writing for everybody.
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Speaker 2: He was right for Diddy was fucking Royce was putting
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Speaker 2: that pen to work.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, but Royce is one of them,
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Speaker 1: Like he's definitely one of them, alien god lovel mc
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Speaker 1: royce is one of them?
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Speaker 2: Was you obviously just had the just huge battle with
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Speaker 2: Loaded Lucks, which I feel like a lot of people
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Speaker 2: kind of looked at as like the fucking the super
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Speaker 2: Bowl or whenever you want to look at it, was
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Speaker 2: like like all timer, would you say the consensus would
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Speaker 2: be that you took an l.
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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like when it first well they
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Speaker 1: just barely dropped it, but when they first dropped the
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Speaker 1: pay per view, it was kind of up in the air, Right,
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Speaker 1: you feel me? But I don't know. I don't really
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Speaker 1: go off too much of bloggers saying who won?
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Speaker 2: I go off with the fans, right, what is the
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Speaker 2: fan feedback Ben all my fans.
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Speaker 1: Gonna say, I want all his fans gonna say he won.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fair. Yeah, I mean the fact it was
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Speaker 2: it was. It was even a debate because at the
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Speaker 2: end of the day, would you say, because I think
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Speaker 2: when I was talking to Damy Marers, I was like, yea,
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Speaker 2: who's the goat in this battleship? I think he mentioned
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Speaker 2: your name, he mentioned Loaded Lucks, he mentioned a couple
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Speaker 2: of other people's name. But when you like prepare for
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Speaker 2: somebody who who you know is on your level like
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Speaker 2: that and who's done so like like how do you
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Speaker 2: come up with shit? Like what is the what is
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Speaker 2: your preparation process for like a just any battle in general,
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Speaker 2: but specifically like this battle, how big it was going
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Speaker 2: to be.
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Speaker 1: I didn't really do too much changing because me being
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Speaker 1: in this situation before me trying to do other things
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Speaker 1: and fans telling me you should just did what got
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Speaker 1: you there? Yeah, do what you do, do what we
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Speaker 1: know you for, you feel me. So I didn't really
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Speaker 1: do too much changing.
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Speaker 2: For that better, So like, how do you how are
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Speaker 2: you preparing me? When they go right, I go left?
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying it's kind of hard to
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Speaker 1: break down my preparation style. I just I just like
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Speaker 1: to think outside the box, like I'll just I don't
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Speaker 1: try to stay in the norm purposely, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I don't even have to watch too
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Speaker 1: much of my opponent. I don't have to watch too
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Speaker 1: much of what the other opponent said to him, because
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Speaker 1: I just feel like I think outside the box so
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Speaker 1: much that I just I just really just try to
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Speaker 1: be me. That's where the alien come from, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: Is there ever, like in your opinion, because we've seen
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Speaker 2: a lot of times battles will go viral because of
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Speaker 2: either somebody gets slapped or someone.
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Speaker 1: Goes over the line.
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Speaker 2: Is there a line you won't cross with somebody, especially
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Speaker 2: because a lot of times you guys are.
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Speaker 1: Colleagues too, right, right, I've always said that, Like it's.
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Speaker 2: Not like you guys are like fighting after the show,
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Speaker 2: like a lot like that. I feel like the elite guys,
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Speaker 2: you guys travel together. You guys are gonna know.
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Speaker 1: All of us. You know what I'm saying, Nine times
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Speaker 1: out of ten, when the camera goes off, everybody extends
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Speaker 1: the hand, We shake hands, and we go party, drink smoking.
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Speaker 2: Is there like a line you won't cross?
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a lot of lines I won't cross. What
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Speaker 1: is like the main thing? It's just off limits for
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Speaker 1: you family members, Yeah, the dead ones, stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. That's just it's like an
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Speaker 1: easy call, right, Yeah, that's to me. It's just anything
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Speaker 1: like that, anything of that nature. You know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: and anything that you haven't said yourself, if you put it,
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Speaker 1: if you brought it to the light, like yo, my
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Speaker 1: moms won't crack and shit, I'll talk about it. But
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know what I'm saying. I wouldn't go
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Speaker 1: dig no.
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Speaker 2: Like Yo, I found out your mom's a crack headed
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Speaker 2: and now you have right now act.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If you put it out
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Speaker 1: to the people, it's definitely exactly it's fair game, you
15:04
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But outside of that, I won't.
15:05
Speaker 1: I won't go dig up no no story about you
15:08
Speaker 1: or find out your mother's name.
15:09
Speaker 2: Some people be doing that ship. I feel like these
15:11
Speaker 2: motherfuckers be like.
15:12
Speaker 1: Nard War people do shit like that.
15:14
Speaker 2: Is that frowned upon amongst the main guys.
15:18
Speaker 1: I think against I mean within us, like as the
15:21
Speaker 1: Battle Rappers, some of us like frownd upon it. Yeah,
15:24
Speaker 1: certain fans, certain fans that they like it, certain battle
15:28
Speaker 1: rappers like the Arsenals and snow Slight Art. So he
15:30
Speaker 1: likes he's known for disrespect, you know what I'm saying.
15:32
Speaker 1: So I don't feel like he feels. Do you think, like,
15:34
Speaker 1: do people like pay for information?
15:37
Speaker 2: Sometimes?
15:37
Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt it. Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. That's crazy. Yeah,
15:41
Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt you know what I'm saying. Like the
15:42
Speaker 1: whole Walmart situation happened with me, I wouldn't. I was
15:44
Speaker 1: taking pictures with fans right at the door, like in
15:47
Speaker 1: my vest, Like you know what I'm saying, So right,
15:50
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody paid them for it, but I
15:53
Speaker 1: can see somebody doing some weird shit like they're paying
15:55
Speaker 1: fans for some info about Yo.
15:57
Speaker 2: If anybody got any dirt on so and so, tap in.
16:00
Speaker 1: You know you gotta do is tap into somebody with
16:01
Speaker 1: a tapping with somebody from your city.
16:04
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I feel like it's always like a combination
16:07
Speaker 2: of that where it's like, you know, like if there's
16:10
Speaker 2: something super topable that happens right before the battle in
16:12
Speaker 2: the world, trying to figure out a way how you
16:14
Speaker 2: could kind of incorporate that shit into.
16:16
Speaker 1: Like are you like current events.
16:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if something happened like I remember one time
16:19
Speaker 2: Fats had a battle against Philly Swain and it was
16:23
Speaker 2: the day Whennie Houston died.
16:26
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I see what he's like, and he had a
16:28
Speaker 1: fucking I forget what his whitney bar was, but it
16:30
Speaker 1: was fucking it. So that's like a double edged sword.
16:33
Speaker 1: It's like it's good and bad.
16:35
Speaker 2: It's good at the time for the crowd, but the
16:37
Speaker 2: thing is bad about it when you re rochet.
16:39
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only thing I feel like there's bad about
16:41
Speaker 1: it is a lot of battle rappers aren't dumb, so
16:45
Speaker 1: a lot of people might use that. You know what
16:47
Speaker 1: I'm saying, that same idea that same day.
16:49
Speaker 2: Do you always say like anything anytime? Have you ever
16:52
Speaker 2: seen the tweets of like people anytime something like that happens,
16:57
Speaker 2: there's always like a fake fabulous bar that Twitter comes
16:59
Speaker 2: up with. What that has to do with, Like, you
17:02
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like whatever's in the news and.
17:04
Speaker 1: Shit, it's pretty funny about yo fa.
17:08
Speaker 2: It's so crazy because with all the success you've had
17:11
Speaker 2: and all the recognition you've gotten, I feel like somehow,
17:15
Speaker 2: when we think of like the Arizona hip hop greats,
17:20
Speaker 2: like are you always on here? Like Futuristic, You'll hear
17:23
Speaker 2: guys like Willie, But I feel like somehow you're always
17:25
Speaker 2: kind of like out of that discussion. Do you think
17:28
Speaker 2: it's because you're more known for the battle rap shit?
17:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always speak on it. So I feel like
17:35
Speaker 1: I got to do a few consistent years with music
17:39
Speaker 1: a shut that they say is up. You know what
17:41
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Because I know talent wise, I'm I can
17:44
Speaker 1: bang with the big boys. I can hang with anybody
17:46
Speaker 1: when it comes to music, you know what I'm saying.
17:49
Speaker 1: So I just got to show them, you know what
17:50
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I feel like that's.
17:51
Speaker 2: It, is it? Because that's always one thing about battle
17:55
Speaker 2: rappers that like the battle the music disconnect always is.
18:02
Speaker 2: It feels like it's always there. There's been like certain guys,
18:05
Speaker 2: I mean, what's the homies just got arrested. It's been
18:07
Speaker 2: on the show a bunch of times. He's from Jersey
18:11
Speaker 2: Surf Yeah to Surf Free, Serf Free Serf. But like
18:14
Speaker 2: he's done a really good job. I feel like I
18:16
Speaker 2: kind of like there's a lot of people who found
18:18
Speaker 2: him through the music because he's got collap projects with me. Yeah, yeah,
18:21
Speaker 2: yeah whatever. He's define also a top tier you know
18:23
Speaker 2: back No, that's.
18:24
Speaker 1: The fact he was one of the one of the
18:27
Speaker 1: first and only ones to to break through.
18:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, why do you think why do you think
18:31
Speaker 2: it is difficult for battle rappers to have success making records.
18:37
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like one of the most one
18:40
Speaker 1: of the like the most obvious reasons is we're trying
18:43
Speaker 1: to turn our battle rap fans into our music fans,
18:47
Speaker 1: and that's what battle rap is. At the end of
18:49
Speaker 1: the day. They don't like they don't like to be music.
18:52
Speaker 1: They don't like it. That's why they love us, that's
18:53
Speaker 1: why that's that's why they tune in the way they
18:56
Speaker 1: tune in. So I feel like that's a no, go already,
18:59
Speaker 1: let them be your battle rap fans and create your
19:02
Speaker 1: music fans. Or if they want to travel with you,
19:04
Speaker 1: then let them do that. But as far as trying
19:07
Speaker 1: to turn these battle rap fans into everyday radio hit
19:12
Speaker 1: music fans, then they don't tune into that orch is
19:14
Speaker 1: catalog like you know exactly. They don't tune into that
19:17
Speaker 1: type music. Yeah, so when they listen to a lot
19:19
Speaker 1: of my music, they're like, where's the punchlines, niddy, where's
19:21
Speaker 1: the you know what I'm saying, where's the the shoot
19:23
Speaker 1: them up? Bang bang killing my mind? This is my music.
19:25
Speaker 1: I'm trying to different create a vibe. I'm not trying
19:27
Speaker 1: to battle rap the beat, you know what I'm saying.
19:29
Speaker 1: So they're listening for something else.
19:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you're your approach is just totally different when
19:33
Speaker 2: when in the studio than if you're.
19:35
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely, Yeah, I got.
19:37
Speaker 2: That's the one thing I'm like, man like, like we
19:39
Speaker 2: always even I do it, like I don't even like
19:42
Speaker 2: I feel like I always bring up guys like you know,
19:44
Speaker 2: I shout out to MC magic because like the fucking
19:46
Speaker 2: Triple O, G Brocadala Iraq, all those guys. But I
19:50
Speaker 2: feel like you get lost in the sauce when it
19:52
Speaker 2: comes to a Z. But like dog, you're like low key,
19:54
Speaker 2: like the one of the biggest, Like you know what
19:56
Speaker 2: I'm saying in your own lane. You know what I'm saying,
19:59
Speaker 2: Let's love. But yeah, are you are you like gonna
20:03
Speaker 2: apply yourself to pursuing the actually dropping more music and
20:08
Speaker 2: being more consistent.
20:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, definitely they gonna see a lot of
20:12
Speaker 1: my face this year.
20:13
Speaker 2: Because, like music, how much does your bandwidth get taken
20:16
Speaker 2: from when you're preparing for like a big battle from
20:18
Speaker 2: from that stuff.
20:21
Speaker 1: A lot. I'm not gonna say a lot. And then
20:23
Speaker 1: I can actually make a lot of music while I'm
20:25
Speaker 1: preparing for battles, but I can't put it out and
20:28
Speaker 1: promote and do all the other things behind. You know
20:31
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I can make a lot of music,
20:32
Speaker 1: but it's like it's like you gotta go on a run,
20:34
Speaker 1: you gotta you know exactly, I can't put the consistency
20:37
Speaker 1: behind it.
20:38
Speaker 2: Is the battleship big on TikTok yet, Yeah, it's the
20:42
Speaker 2: number one music discovery app in the world.
20:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, A battle rapp is starting to get big on
20:46
Speaker 1: TikTok As far as them doing like the voiceovers, the
20:49
Speaker 1: acting out and all that. I think it's starting to grow.
20:51
Speaker 1: Were you in the building when Daylight took a ship
20:55
Speaker 1: at the Celebrity Theater. Yeah, he never actually took a ship,
20:57
Speaker 1: but yeah he's in the building. Whatever the fuck it
20:59
Speaker 1: was did. They escorted them out the building. Man kicked
21:02
Speaker 1: him up out of there.
21:02
Speaker 2: Were you on that ticket? Yeah, Arsenal okay, okay, okay,
21:07
Speaker 2: that was that was uh that Shots of Daylight too.
21:10
Speaker 2: It's also alien crazy though. What is the craziest thing
21:15
Speaker 2: you've seen just in that space, because we've seen people
21:19
Speaker 2: get slapped obviously Daylight trying to take a ship on
21:21
Speaker 2: stage a celebrity theater.
21:22
Speaker 1: Oh and like White and White in general, that was
21:26
Speaker 1: definitely one of them. That was definitely one of them.
21:28
Speaker 1: I was there when a disaster in math got and
21:32
Speaker 1: Kelly oh ship. Yeah, I was right there. That's all
21:35
Speaker 1: I here is do it, do it.
21:41
Speaker 2: And then there was the cannabis cassidy.
21:45
Speaker 1: I wasn't there for that, but that's raized. That's crazy, man.
21:50
Speaker 1: That was somebody that legendary, somebody that looked up to
21:54
Speaker 1: to bring out your notebook, like even outside of battle rap,
21:59
Speaker 1: that just seems like just a cardinal rule not to
22:02
Speaker 1: do what he's doing. Pulled out the note but I
22:05
Speaker 1: got thirty pages of rhymes and his motherfucker one.
22:12
Speaker 2: I asked him about it. I interviewed him and asked
22:14
Speaker 2: him about it.
22:15
Speaker 1: He was not too he didn't.
22:18
Speaker 2: Like, he didn't like I brought it up. Yeah, but
22:21
Speaker 2: he was like I think he said I was prepaying
22:22
Speaker 2: for a last minute.
22:23
Speaker 1: And that nigga said he like got Tom's Tom cruise
22:29
Speaker 1: Mom's shoes.
22:32
Speaker 2: I feel like it's very evident that not everyone is
22:36
Speaker 2: meant to do that format of rapping.
22:38
Speaker 1: No, No, that's the fact that, right.
22:40
Speaker 2: And there are people who are. Yeah, I mean I
22:43
Speaker 2: think back to even like a guy like Royce, Like
22:47
Speaker 2: do you remember when Royce and mister Fab went added
22:49
Speaker 2: on stage and like mister Fab like in that setting
22:54
Speaker 2: beat Royce to five nine. Now it's Royce to five nine,
22:58
Speaker 2: a better MC than mister Fab, I would take you, I.
23:02
Speaker 1: Think, I think I think the consistents would say that.
23:04
Speaker 2: Now mister Fab is a very underrated MC obviously, but
23:07
Speaker 2: in that specific setting, that was a crazy Yeah.
23:10
Speaker 1: It's like a difference between being a good rapper and
23:13
Speaker 1: a good battle rapper t Rex that way.
23:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:15
Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm like, yo, I'm a million times
23:18
Speaker 1: better than this nigga. And he was up there with
23:20
Speaker 1: me saying light ship, normal ship, and I'm like, what's
23:23
Speaker 1: going on.
23:24
Speaker 2: It's a whole different ballgain right, Now it's totally different.
23:26
Speaker 2: It's like and that's why I feel like, you know,
23:29
Speaker 2: even like a guy like you know, that's why when
23:32
Speaker 2: we because you know, Meek Milk came up battling fools
23:34
Speaker 2: on Smack DVDs and ship.
23:36
Speaker 1: And then when he fucking ate that l against Drake,
23:40
Speaker 1: Oh man, it.
23:40
Speaker 2: Was so disappointed because I was like, oh, Meek's gonna.
23:42
Speaker 1: Cook him because this is what he does.
23:45
Speaker 2: No, you man should have got you man, Shud got
23:49
Speaker 2: you resting bars man.
23:50
Speaker 1: I let you boy man, I let you boy man,
23:52
Speaker 1: I got bors going for the low.
23:53
Speaker 2: Who is your in your opinion? If you were to
23:55
Speaker 2: take yourself out of the discussion, Uh, who's your? Who's
23:58
Speaker 2: your top five? And all time and battle rap room.
24:01
Speaker 1: All the time. This ship is so difficult to answer
24:03
Speaker 1: because I just feel like it's so many different erarors
24:05
Speaker 1: and so many different people did what they did in
24:07
Speaker 1: their time. Let's say, since since you started, since I
24:10
Speaker 1: started definitely geechee uh tay rocket steal in that that
24:17
Speaker 1: that lineup torque, since I started surf stealing there. Yeah,
24:26
Speaker 1: still in the top five line up. I had to
24:29
Speaker 1: say one more uh clips.
24:38
Speaker 2: You know, it's so crazy. I only know one out
24:41
Speaker 2: of five people you just mentioned. That tells you how
24:43
Speaker 2: disconnected I am from that.
24:46
Speaker 1: Surf that it surf big dog, I.
24:49
Speaker 2: Know obviously, like you know, like like loaded Lug said
24:51
Speaker 2: your arsenal disaster, Yeah, I know those.
24:55
Speaker 1: Like the the originators, right, those wing that got the
24:58
Speaker 1: eyes on the sport.
24:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure to begin with for sure, for sure. Yeah,
25:02
Speaker 2: shout out to the DVD days man move And do
25:06
Speaker 2: you feel like there's a place for the One thing
25:13
Speaker 2: I always want to see is like you could gamble
25:17
Speaker 2: on anything, right, So you gamble on wrestling if you
25:20
Speaker 2: use the off site. Is there any site where you
25:22
Speaker 2: could like throw my real bread down on a battle.
25:25
Speaker 1: No, but I'm in contact with a few different people
25:28
Speaker 1: that are in the works of doing it.
25:30
Speaker 2: And the problem with that is like figuring out if
25:34
Speaker 2: it's close, what is like the unbiased deciding factor, right,
25:41
Speaker 2: because people could vote online, I'm sure, but then it's like, okay,
25:44
Speaker 2: well you could probably have bots vote.
25:47
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's the one thing about battle reck just
25:49
Speaker 1: in general in general, we don't have a like a
25:52
Speaker 1: set judging system that everybody can agree to and be like, no,
25:56
Speaker 1: this is how we're going to judge these.
25:58
Speaker 2: I think if you had that, it would have to
25:59
Speaker 2: be like you'd have to have like three really well
26:02
Speaker 2: off okay dudes who are like maybe Joe Budden or
26:05
Speaker 2: like you know, somebody who.
26:07
Speaker 1: You could trust, would actually kind of But then again,
26:09
Speaker 1: is even at that, that's all it's still gonna be. Yeah,
26:14
Speaker 1: not even personal Buyers is still gonna be opinion on
26:15
Speaker 1: it the same, you know, I'm saying.
26:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think even like when you watch like
26:18
Speaker 2: a boxing match, like it goes down to the judges card,
26:21
Speaker 2: but who are the judges and do they have their
26:23
Speaker 2: own money up?
26:24
Speaker 1: No, that makes sense because a lot of that, a
26:27
Speaker 1: lot of that ship is so uneven. When you look
26:31
Speaker 1: at a lot of boxing cards scores like some.
26:35
Speaker 2: You're like, the motherfuckers got their own money. Like it's
26:39
Speaker 2: almost to feel what you say. I feel what you're saying.
26:40
Speaker 2: It's almost like an imperfect system is hip hop.
26:43
Speaker 1: That's that's the word I was looking looking for. We
26:45
Speaker 1: definitely have an imperfect system.
26:47
Speaker 2: But I feel like it'd be dope to be like, yoa,
26:48
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw some money on this ship I got.
26:51
Speaker 1: I feel like we definitely get it.
26:53
Speaker 2: Would it makes the money, well, it would make the
26:56
Speaker 2: money like go through the roof. It would be like
27:00
Speaker 2: the money would at least be like ten times. I
27:02
Speaker 2: never think about it. If all this money is coming
27:04
Speaker 2: into gamble, that means that y'all would get paid way
27:06
Speaker 2: more bread because there's actual bread up like that. Shit
27:10
Speaker 2: would change the game for show, because that's why there's
27:12
Speaker 2: so much money in boxing because of the gambling.
27:14
Speaker 1: Bro I ain't really put two and two together like that.
27:18
Speaker 2: That's kind of smart, yeah, but you would have to
27:22
Speaker 2: really like it couldn't get messy, and then hip hop
27:25
Speaker 2: thinks would get messy. So you would have to really
27:27
Speaker 2: have like a real like fucking Drake would have to
27:30
Speaker 2: come through and like really be like yo, Well, I
27:33
Speaker 2: don't know about Drake anymore. Maybe Kendrick. Maybe Kendrick could
27:38
Speaker 2: be the guy to set it up, you know, I
27:42
Speaker 2: don't know about Drake. Shots of Canada though. Anyway, man,
27:47
Speaker 2: so what you got coming up? Obviously that battle just
27:49
Speaker 2: happened with Loaded Lux or or what else is on
27:51
Speaker 2: the way man? Anything? An the other battles in the
27:54
Speaker 2: in the works.
27:56
Speaker 1: Well, I don't even know if I'm supposed speak on this.
27:57
Speaker 1: I'm under contract for a battle. But they didn't release
27:59
Speaker 1: the or anything now. But I got it's supposed to
28:03
Speaker 1: be August third, so that's coming out. They ain't release
28:06
Speaker 1: the trailer, so now I really don't got to know.
28:08
Speaker 2: I mean, this will be uh August. Wait, you're supposed
28:12
Speaker 2: to August third. Yeah, well this will probably come out
28:16
Speaker 2: Friday or no, what's today? You had to probably come
28:18
Speaker 2: out Friday, which is August first.
28:20
Speaker 1: But I don't, I don't. I think they pushed it back.
28:23
Speaker 1: I would say, damn yeah. Yeah. Outside of that, you know,
28:27
Speaker 1: music just dropped the tape. What's understood on all streaming platforms.
28:31
Speaker 1: I'm in the midst of doing another tape right now.
28:33
Speaker 1: My brother's in the midst of doing the tape. I'm
28:35
Speaker 1: about to put some merch out, which merch for my fans.
28:39
Speaker 1: Probably drop another website so you can get the merchant
28:44
Speaker 1: and order some music. You know. There it is man, Yeah, no,
28:47
Speaker 1: let up dot shot. Probably bring that back.
28:49
Speaker 2: What's the best Mexican food in Arizona?
28:51
Speaker 1: The best messic best Mesican food in Arizona comes from Tucson.
28:54
Speaker 2: Oh you saying Tucson.
28:55
Speaker 1: It comes from Tucson.
28:56
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, it is the proxy. I always say that.
28:59
Speaker 1: You know what the dog is of course, okay, you
29:02
Speaker 1: know what that was created in the two something.
29:03
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, yeah, but hey, there's a place on
29:06
Speaker 2: twenty Street, an Indian school. It's a ten out side.
29:11
Speaker 2: I know you're talking about the best and.
29:13
Speaker 1: Ran hot dog in the fucking Arizona I've ever had.
29:14
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, that place is so bad. And it went
29:18
Speaker 1: on Broadway and like seventh Street, yeah, or no, Southern
29:25
Speaker 1: in seventh Street Southern and like seventh, seventh and seventh Street.
29:28
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like a little hole in the
29:30
Speaker 1: wall spot. One of the best oron dogs I ever
29:32
Speaker 1: had as well.
29:32
Speaker 2: So you're a big Sonorian hot dog guy, you get
29:34
Speaker 2: everything on it, loaded up whatever you got. Yeah, for sure,
29:39
Speaker 2: super fow.
29:41
Speaker 1: Definitely though the Sonora's though, shout out too, so.
29:44
Speaker 2: Shout out to tu So I always say best, the most,
29:46
Speaker 2: the closest proximity to the border has the best food.
29:49
Speaker 2: That's not fuck with San Diego. San Diego got the
29:51
Speaker 2: best ship because it's right by fucking Tier one.
29:53
Speaker 1: We fuck with Cali, but y'all they not fucking with
29:55
Speaker 1: the Mexican food in Arizona. We're close to the border.
29:57
Speaker 2: San Diego, though, it's damn near Tijuana. Go to Tchula Vista.
30:01
Speaker 2: You'll get some ship. But look, man, I appreciate you
30:03
Speaker 2: pulling up a mixtape out now. And then Battle is
30:06
Speaker 2: coming real soon.
30:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, battle coming real soon. Go follow me up because
30:09
Speaker 1: I lost my account. Uh ninty two three four three.
30:13
Speaker 2: And then I think we're co judging this battle on
30:17
Speaker 2: Arizona or whatever. That song sixteen competition with Maddie.
30:20
Speaker 1: August August tenth, Yeah, yeah, that's happening for that.
30:23
Speaker 2: Yes, so that'll be uh, that'll be interesting. Who do
30:26
Speaker 2: you got in that battle that you know is competing?
30:29
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite that you you're looking forward
30:32
Speaker 2: to seeing.
30:33
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the whole layout yet, but of course
30:36
Speaker 1: I'm going for push your Luck. I want to push
30:37
Speaker 1: your Luck to do his thing. I want Quincy to
30:39
Speaker 1: do his thing. Chris Coke. I want Chris Coke to
30:42
Speaker 1: do his thing.
30:43
Speaker 2: Chris Coke is a fucking murderer.
30:45
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, you know what I'm saying. From the city.
30:47
Speaker 1: I want you to do your thing obviously, And I
30:49
Speaker 1: ain't gonna have heard T. Why was in there? T?
30:51
Speaker 1: Why is the dope? He's from New Jersey.
30:53
Speaker 2: There's a guy named Osmond Benjamin. That's incredible. Yeah, Osmond's fired,
30:58
Speaker 2: Be the Ruler. I think it's doing it. Isn't you
30:59
Speaker 2: doing it again?
31:01
Speaker 1: Rula ya te?
31:06
Speaker 2: Who else is in there? Anybody else? Dope V the
31:10
Speaker 2: kid from last year dealing? I think what's the name
31:12
Speaker 2: Dylan Jacob uh. I don't know. Man, It's gonna be interesting,
31:18
Speaker 2: so that they're doing it over beats, right, I believe
31:21
Speaker 2: so why? Yeah, I think it is all over beats.
31:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. That's kind of it.
31:26
Speaker 2: Should be interesting.
31:28
Speaker 1: Well. I like it too, because Be the Ruler I
31:30
Speaker 1: did not see that.
31:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I think they're they kind of know
31:34
Speaker 2: who they're going to be. From what I've seen, people
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Speaker 2: have been calling each other out directly because they know
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Speaker 2: who they're gonna be facing already because of the seeds,
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Speaker 2: so they're gonna have tons of time to prepare.
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Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked it.
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Speaker 2: But it is interesting because some of the rappers that
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Speaker 2: are in this particular battle I don't think are battle rappers.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, but I like that it's it's all beat
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Speaker 1: because it's not making them turn into battle rappers. You
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