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Sharri | 15 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Shari Good evening. I'm Cali Marcus filling in
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Speaker 2: for Shari while she takes a world Deserve break. Tonight,
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Speaker 2: Trump announces a piece deal with Iran, But can Iran
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Speaker 2: be trusted? And you won't believe Trump's latest spray at
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Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will cross to Israel to
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Speaker 2: get the reaction to all of that. Plus Cogan Boss
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Speaker 2: Roslin Cogan unleashes on Albanesi's tax changes in Irant that's
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Speaker 2: gone viral.
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Speaker 3: We don't want people looking at Australia and going, oh,
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Speaker 3: you know what, there's some great opportunity for some really
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Speaker 3: sick NDIS scams.
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Speaker 2: Roslin will join me exclusively on the show to explain
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Speaker 2: why he thinks the changes will attract all the wrong
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Speaker 2: kinds of immigrants and the coalition is in disarray. After
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Speaker 2: John o'dunnham and announces his shock retirement, I'll ask Liberals
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Speaker 2: Senator Leah blithe about what this means for the party. Shortly,
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Speaker 2: but first tonight, massive global news today, US President Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump announced this morning a peace deal has been reached
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Speaker 2: with Iran. The historic agreement to be signed in Switzerland
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Speaker 2: on Friday, in a post on his Truth social platform,
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Speaker 2: Trump wrote, the deal with the Islamic Republic of Iran
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Speaker 2: is now complete. Congratulations to all. I hereby fully authorized
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Speaker 2: the toll free opening of the Strait of Hormuz, and
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Speaker 2: simultaneously herewith authorize the immediate removal of the United States
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Speaker 2: naval blockade. Ships of the world. Start your engines, let
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Speaker 2: the oil flow, President Donald J. Trump, The Strait of
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Speaker 2: Hormus is set to reopen on Friday, when the deal
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Speaker 2: is meant to be ratified, and of course that will
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Speaker 2: be welcome news to many Australians, particularly motorists and farmers
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Speaker 2: who've been paying a small fortune for fuel over the
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Speaker 2: course of this three and a half month war. After all,
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Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormus carries one fifth of the world's oil.
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Speaker 2: So it is good news if it reopens. But more significantly,
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Speaker 2: this deal if it sticks, and I'll explain my skepticism
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Speaker 2: about that in a moment, But if it sticks, this
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Speaker 2: deal means one of the world's most evil regimes will
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Speaker 2: never have a nuclear weapon and can no longer sponsor
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Speaker 2: its barbaric terrorist proxies. The White House has detailed the
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Speaker 2: five points of the agreement. One Iran will destroy its
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Speaker 2: highly enriched uranium. Two Tehran will pledge never to obtain
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Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. Three economic relief will come after those
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Speaker 2: first two steps are completed. For the Strait of Hormus
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Speaker 2: will be open immediately upon signing. And five Iran must
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Speaker 2: stop funding terrorist groups including Hezbollah, Hamas and the Hooties.
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Speaker 2: Make no mistake, this could be a major game changer
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Speaker 2: for peace in the Middle East and around the world.
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Speaker 2: Don't forget, Iran was behind at least two of the
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Speaker 2: attacks on Jewish sites over the Summer of terror in
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Speaker 2: Australia last year, the Addas Israel Synagogue in Melbourne and
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Speaker 2: Lewis Continental Kitchen in Sydney. Here's how US Vice President j.
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Speaker 2: D Vance explained the significance of the deal to Fox
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Speaker 2: News earlier.
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Speaker 4: Karen will never have a nuclear weapon, and not just
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Speaker 4: pursue a nuclear weapon for procure, try to buy a
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Speaker 4: nuclear weapon as well. If the Uranians comply with his deal,
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Speaker 4: it is going to fundamentally transformed the Middle East for
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Speaker 4: the next fifty years. It's going to end the war.
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Speaker 4: It's going to make the Middle East more investible. It's
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Speaker 4: going to mean a lot of prosperity, lower energy prices
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Speaker 4: for the American people.
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Speaker 2: Now listen to that important disclaimer there, jd. Van says,
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Speaker 2: if the Iranians comply with this deal, because we know
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Speaker 2: Iranians have formed in not following through on their side
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Speaker 2: of a bargain. Meanwhile, Israelis are already slamming this deal
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Speaker 2: as a bad deal, warning it could undermine Israel's own
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Speaker 2: military campaign and leaves keys security concerns unaddressed. Israel was
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Speaker 2: not a party to these negotiations, and yet it is
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Speaker 2: the country that is most under existential threat from Iran,
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Speaker 2: both directly and from its terrorist proxies in the region.
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Speaker 2: The New York Times reports in Israeli briefed on the
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Speaker 2: agreement warns of the deal, there are no clear answers
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Speaker 2: regarding the treatment of Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium and
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Speaker 2: not enough curbs on Iran's nuclear program, with the deal
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Speaker 2: appearing to rely on Iranian goodwill, This source says, instead
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Speaker 2: of creating the conditions for the collapse of the Iranian government,
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Speaker 2: the deal would allow funds to start flowing back into
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Speaker 2: its coffers. And while the deal does include a demand
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Speaker 2: for Iran to stop supporting its proxies. This same source
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Speaker 2: says it lays out no clear mechanism for forcing Iran
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Speaker 2: to halt its support for its proxy forces, but it
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Speaker 2: would mean the suspension of Israel's campaign against Hesblah. In
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Speaker 2: other words, Israel would have to lay down its arms,
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Speaker 2: while Iran may simply say what it needs to now
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Speaker 2: to end the war, then go right back to rebuilding
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Speaker 2: the regime and its proxies. Former Israeli defense minister and
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Speaker 2: right wing politician Avigdor Lieberman, now a vocal critic of Nan, Yahoo,
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Speaker 2: called the deal a total victory for the Ayatollas and
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Speaker 2: a catastrophe from Israel's perspective. There already appears to be
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Speaker 2: a growing strain between Donald Trump and the Israeli Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: The President again unloading on Benjamin Nanna, who yesterday in
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Speaker 2: response to Israel's strikes near the Lebanese capital of Beirut.
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Speaker 2: Those strikes were in retaliation to Hesbelah firing shots against Israel.
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Speaker 2: Here's Fox News's chief correspondent yesterday explaining what President Trump
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Speaker 2: told him.
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Speaker 5: That he asked Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, what the
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Speaker 5: f are you doing?
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Speaker 2: And that came after those Israeli strikes targeted the Duckian
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Speaker 2: neighborhood of southern Beirut. Trump also told Axius Nannya, who
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Speaker 2: has no efing judgment? He said, it is so bad.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. An hour before we are supposed
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Speaker 2: to sign the deal. Why did Bibbi have to do
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Speaker 2: a efing attack? I was so pissed off. I let
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Speaker 2: him know he has no effing judgment. I let him
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Speaker 2: know that. I mean, these are extraordinary sprays and come
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Speaker 2: only one week after another hostile phone call between Trump
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Speaker 2: and nan Yahoo. Here's Miranda Devine asking Trump about that.
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Speaker 2: In an interview we showed you last week on the program.
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Speaker 6: Axios reported that you had a phone call with bib Netanya,
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Speaker 6: who the Prime Minister of Israel, in which you were
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Speaker 6: angry with him.
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Speaker 7: You said, are you efing crazy? What are you effing doing?
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Speaker 7: I helped you stay out of jail. Is that true?
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Speaker 7: Did you speak to him in those trades? I wish angry.
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Speaker 8: I was a little bit perturbed at his.
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Speaker 7: Constantly fighting with Lebanon.
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Speaker 2: And frankly, it was hypocritical for Trump to blame Israel
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Speaker 2: for responding to attacks when the US retaliated only a
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Speaker 2: couple of days later to Iran down in one of
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Speaker 2: its helicopters in the Gulf with its own series of strikes.
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Speaker 2: But back to the two Today's deal and why there
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Speaker 2: is still a lot of skepticism about it. The Australian's
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Speaker 2: Chris Mitchell rits Trump may have succumbed to media and
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Speaker 2: economic pressure and in doing so sacrificed what could have
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Speaker 2: been a great military victory. He says, having taken out
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Speaker 2: the top forty Iranian leaders in the first strike on
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Speaker 2: February twenty eighth, Trump might have been better advised to
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Speaker 2: allow his Operation Epic Fury and Israel's Operation Roaring Lion
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Speaker 2: to continue until Teyran's surrender. Instead, Trump feared rising oil
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Speaker 2: price and a skiddish share market in the run up
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Speaker 2: to the US midterm elections. A military victory would have
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Speaker 2: silenced our own government, the UK and the EU. It
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Speaker 2: would have ended the carping of the left wing US media,
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Speaker 2: which would prefer a Trump humiliation to the defeat of
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Speaker 2: the world's number one sponsor of terrorism. There is an
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Speaker 2: understandable disappointment to from long suffering Iranians that this war
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Speaker 2: did not lead to the collapse of the regime, which
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Speaker 2: has seen tens of thousands of its own people murdered.
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Speaker 2: Here was sociologist Samaya Khani talking to Andrew Bolt a
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Speaker 2: short time ago.
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Speaker 9: People of Iran were not considered in those talks and negotiations.
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Speaker 9: Forty thousand people didn't die for a better deal or
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Speaker 9: a different deal to the deal that Obama had.
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Speaker 2: And there are legitimate fears this regime is incapable of
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Speaker 2: being trusted at all. In his first time as president,
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Speaker 2: Trump withdrew from Barack Obama's disastrous twenty to fifteen deal,
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Speaker 2: which lifted sanctions on Tehran in exchange for limits on
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Speaker 2: its nuclear program. Of course, Iran responded by ramping up
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Speaker 2: its Uranian enrichment. So, having made the mistake of trusting
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Speaker 2: them before, is it really wise for the US to
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Speaker 2: bank on these lying moullas again? Liberal frontbencher Jonathan Duniam
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Speaker 2: has announced over the weekend he is quitting politics at
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Speaker 2: the end of the year, citing family and exhaustion after
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Speaker 2: the party's net Zero fight, the Bonni response, and February's
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Speaker 2: leadership change. He is the second Tasmanian Liberal senator to
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Speaker 2: announce an exit in days as one nation threatens to
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Speaker 2: eat further into the Coalition vote and frankly it's a
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Speaker 2: huge loss. He's been a strong Opposition spokesman and Home
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Speaker 2: Affairs at a time the portfolio has never been more important.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss as Liberal Senator for South Australia,
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Speaker 2: Leah blythe Senator, great to see you. As a parent
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Speaker 2: of young kids myself, I can understand the personal side
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Speaker 2: of John o'don M's decision, but is yet another resignation
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Speaker 2: a warning sign about where the Liberal Party is heading?
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Speaker 2: I don't think so at all.
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Speaker 5: I respect the decision that Johno has made. Usually, you know,
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Speaker 5: in these types of roles, especially with young children, and
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Speaker 5: I've got three children myself, families pay a huge price
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Speaker 5: for us to do the job that we do, and
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Speaker 5: JOHNO has made a distinguished and incredible contribution to the
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Speaker 5: Australian Parliament over a decade.
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Speaker 2: So I respect the decision he's made.
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Speaker 5: It is going to be a huge, huge loss for
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Speaker 5: the coalition team. He is a massive contributor in two
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Speaker 5: really important portfolios. But I respect the decision that he's made.
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Speaker 2: We talked we're going to talk about this in more
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Speaker 2: detail later in the show, but Pauline Hanson has overtaken
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanizi as preferred prime minister in the latest Resolve poll,
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Speaker 2: with One Nation now leading the primary vote on twenty
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Speaker 2: nine percent. Meanwhile, the Coalition's primary has fallen into just
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Speaker 2: twenty percent. And so while it isn't looking great for Labor,
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Speaker 2: it's looking even worse in some respects for the Coalition.
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor's leadership was supposed to be a boost for
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Speaker 2: the party and I get the new leaders deserve a
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Speaker 2: grace period, Senator, but it is not looking good for
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Speaker 2: the Coalition at the moment. What do you think needs
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Speaker 2: to happen now?
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Speaker 5: Look, I think that poll is it doesn't look great
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Speaker 5: for the Coalition. I don't think anyone's pretending that it does.
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Speaker 5: But what it does do is it is sending a
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Speaker 5: very strong message that Australians are fed up with both
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Speaker 5: major parties and they're fed up with the status quo.
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Speaker 5: And I can certainly appreciate the anger and frustration that
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Speaker 5: they have.
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Speaker 2: They want to see change.
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Speaker 5: We've got one of the worst labor governments we've ever
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Speaker 5: had in this country, and you know, people are working harder,
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Speaker 5: they're keeping less of.
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Speaker 2: What they earn.
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Speaker 5: It's difficult to keep your business open, you struggle to
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Speaker 5: raise a family. So there is a lot of frustration
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Speaker 5: out there. There is huge opportunity though, And I look
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Speaker 5: at those polls, and I look at the thirty plus
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Speaker 5: twenty for the center right of politics and think fifty
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Speaker 5: percent of Australians are wanting that change. And it's fair
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Speaker 5: to say that despite what the ABC constantly tells us,
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Speaker 5: Australians are not moving to the left. They are very
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Speaker 5: much wanting a center right government and leadership here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: So how do you prevent that vote on the right
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Speaker 2: and the center right from being split because of one nation?
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Speaker 2: Do you think that preference deals with one nation like
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Speaker 2: some of your colleagues have supported. Do you think that's
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Speaker 2: the way to go, or would you even back forming
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Speaker 2: a coalition with one nation.
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Speaker 5: I think we're very very early in the election cycle
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Speaker 5: to be talking about things like preference steals, and certainly
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Speaker 5: what I would say to Australians out there is Australians
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Speaker 5: they get to choose how they vote and where their
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Speaker 5: preferences go. That's the preferential system we have here. So
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Speaker 5: we're really talking about how to vote cards that people
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Speaker 5: will use at an election, and we're a long way
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Speaker 5: from an election, so I think those discussions should be had.
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Speaker 5: What I would say is is we've got to work
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Speaker 5: with anyone on the center right. I am solely focused
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Speaker 5: on making sure that we get rid of this disastrous
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Speaker 5: Labor government. That's what my sole focus is. I want
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Speaker 5: the Liberal National Coalition to win as many seats as
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Speaker 5: possible at the next election, but we've got to be
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Speaker 5: pragmatic about what kind of seats we can win and
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Speaker 5: where we can be working together to make sure that
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Speaker 5: we can get rid of this Labor government. That's got
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Speaker 5: to be our focus. But first and foremost, I think
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Speaker 5: the coalition has to put forward to the Australian people
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Speaker 5: a credible alternative. We've got to win back voters trust
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Speaker 5: and we've got to show them that we are listening
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Speaker 5: to them. And I think that's a vital step that
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Speaker 5: we've still got to take.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about Labour's Capacity Investment Scheme. Now, this
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Speaker 2: was the plan that was meant to supercharge renewables, but
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Speaker 2: after three years it has delivered wait for it, one
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Speaker 2: operational project. A single Victorian soul of farm. Senator, what
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Speaker 2: do you think it says that Chris Bowen is overseas
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Speaker 2: talking up global electrification while at home his signature scheme
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Speaker 2: is obviously struggling.
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Speaker 5: I think it's fair to say that Labor's you know,
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Speaker 5: fantasy transition and net zero targets and renewables are just
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Speaker 5: a big lie. I think it's fair to say that
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Speaker 5: the globe is burning more fossil fuels than we've ever
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Speaker 5: burnt before, and by impoverishing the Australian people and meaning
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Speaker 5: that we have unreliable electricity grids now that we're paying,
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Speaker 5: particularly in South Australia, some of the highest prices for
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Speaker 5: electricity in the country. That Labour's and net zero fantasy
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Speaker 5: is a complete and utter failure, and pouring more and
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Speaker 5: more taxpayer dollars into renewable fantasy land is only making
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Speaker 5: Australians poorer and it is not helping our economy, it's
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Speaker 5: not helping us get an industrial base, and it is
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Speaker 5: certainly not making Australians richer. We're a resource rich nation.
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Speaker 5: We should be using the natural resources that we've got.
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Speaker 2: Senator Leah Blithe, thank you for your time tonight. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to our panel now former Labor MP Michael Danby
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Speaker 2: and Sky News host Steve Price. Michael, I want to
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Speaker 2: get your response first to this key steal that the
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Speaker 2: US has struck with a run and what I said
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Speaker 2: in my editorial, I have a lot of skepticism about it.
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Speaker 2: But what do you make about the deal? Well, I'll
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Speaker 2: go to you, Pricey, because I think we've lost Michael
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Speaker 2: Dammy's connection. We'll try to get him back. But Pricey,
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Speaker 2: do you think that this is a good deal? What's
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Speaker 2: your view on it?
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Speaker 10: Well, we've been here before. We've seen this circus played
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Speaker 10: out week after week after week. I mean, obviously with
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Speaker 10: the with the promise of a deal, the oil price
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Speaker 10: has dropped, and so we are going to see some
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Speaker 10: relief in that in that space. It does not, as
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Speaker 10: you've pointed out, Caroline tonight, seem to have the great
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Speaker 10: endorsement of Israel and Benjaminittnyahu, and so Donald Trump is
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Speaker 10: going solo here. He talks it up and you know,
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Speaker 10: we're going to have to wait and see the world
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Speaker 10: would like it to work. Will it work? We don't
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Speaker 10: yet know. Do we hope it does? Yes, we do.
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Speaker 10: Is it tough enough in what it does in removing
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Speaker 10: the nuclear threat from Iran doesn't mean the regime is
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Speaker 10: going to be overthrown and there's going to be some
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Speaker 10: new government in charge in Iran. Probably not. So we're
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Speaker 10: just going to have to wait and see. I hope
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Speaker 10: it happens, and for the sake of the rest of
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Speaker 10: the world in the economy, lets hope it's successful.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, let's hope so because we need peace in
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Speaker 2: that region and we need Iran not to have a
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Speaker 2: nuclear weapon. Michael danbu we've got you back, I believe.
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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on this deal? Do you.
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Speaker 11: Do?
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Speaker 2: You have as much opticism about it? Maybe as price
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Speaker 2: he does.
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Speaker 12: Look, General Keane says that they've entombed the nuclear dust
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Speaker 12: in is Chafar, and they've got rid of a large
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Speaker 12: number of their ballistic missiles.
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Speaker 1: That's the upside.
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Speaker 12: But Iran and the Gulf Arabs seem to have opened
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Speaker 12: up a fissure between the United States and Israel. It
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Speaker 12: is not good when the north of Israel is depopulated
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Speaker 12: because of these new first person drones that the Iranians
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Speaker 12: and Chinese gave has Bla. There are eighty thousand people
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Speaker 12: who are not in their homes, all schools are closed,
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Speaker 12: and Donald Trumpkin has had now two screaming fights with
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Speaker 12: NTANO in the last four days. But all of the
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Speaker 12: Israeli opposition of joined Nettaneo and saying we can't abandon
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Speaker 12: our own people just for the sake of the convenience
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Speaker 12: of the Americans.
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Speaker 1: I can't understand it, Caroline.
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Speaker 12: The oil was going through the Oman side of the
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Speaker 12: Gulf under American protection, and the price of Brent crude
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Speaker 12: was ninety six dollars. The price of petrol was going
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Speaker 12: down in the United States. It seems to be there's
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Speaker 12: some good aspects of what Israel and America did together,
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Speaker 12: but on balance a bad deal.
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Speaker 1: And I think you can rely on one thing, Caroline.
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Speaker 12: The Iranians are such a bunch of loonies that they'll
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Speaker 12: bring the sun done by attacking someone or doing something.
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Speaker 1: You can never trust them.
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Speaker 12: Only victory over them will actually bring about a piece
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Speaker 12: in that part.
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Speaker 1: Of the world.
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Speaker 2: Look, I think you could be right, Michael, And a
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Speaker 2: few days until Friday, Well, that is a long time
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the Middle East, so much can happen.
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Speaker 2: But we'll see. I spoke a little bit earlier and
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Speaker 2: the show with Senator leap Lithe about the latest polling
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Speaker 2: showing yet another incredible result for one Nation and pulling
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Speaker 2: Hanson now the favorite to be prime minister. But let's
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Speaker 2: get the latest on where the fire the lyre donations
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Speaker 2: are up to for the party. This is incredible that
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Speaker 2: the last time I checked it was up to more
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Speaker 2: than four million dollars. Maybe we can get that latest
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Speaker 2: figure on screen. They're hoping to reach a goal of
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Speaker 2: something like four point three million, and I believe four
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Speaker 2: point two million, and they are inching ever closer to it.
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Speaker 2: But they've put some of that money towards a new
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Speaker 2: ad campaign that is going to be run during the
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Speaker 2: State of Origin on Wednesday night. Let's take a look
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Speaker 2: at what that's about.
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Speaker 8: Always been a man of my word, or we have
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Speaker 8: no plans to change negative gearing, or we've changed our position.
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Speaker 4: I stepped back one step. I didn't fall off the stage.
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Speaker 10: See reception was incredibly positive and not a single person
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Speaker 10: heckled producing.
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Speaker 4: Power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 2: That's a fool out life.
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Speaker 5: My word is my bond.
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Speaker 2: Price. I think One Asian has been very clever first
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Speaker 2: and adopting that fire the liars slogan so quickly. I
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Speaker 2: think Kredlin was the one who first coined it here
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Speaker 2: on Sky News. And now to come up with this
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Speaker 2: ad to run on one of the biggest nights of
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Speaker 2: television of the year, State of Origin. What do you
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Speaker 2: make of the ad?
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Speaker 10: Look, I think what one nation is doing here is
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Speaker 10: very nimble. I mean they showed that when Peter on
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Speaker 10: Monday Night used that phrase, and I hope Peter's taking
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Speaker 10: her percentage cut when they start selling merchandise with that
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Speaker 10: on it. I mean, she deserves the slice of that
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Speaker 10: four million dollars, I got to say.
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Speaker 1: But they're very nimble.
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Speaker 10: I mean James Ashby was watching Kredlin, he was actually
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Speaker 10: on that night with her, and he immediately seized on
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Speaker 10: the on the phrase, turned it into a campaign, turned
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Speaker 10: it into a fundraiser and as you say, they're getting
22:35
Speaker 10: up toward four million that ad or play out during
22:38
Speaker 10: State of Origin, which of course this Wednesday is going
22:41
Speaker 10: to be played at the MCG and the other big
22:44
Speaker 10: event of the day it could be almost as big
22:45
Speaker 10: as State of Origin. Let me say, is Pauline Hanson's
22:48
Speaker 10: going to appear at the National Press Club be screened
22:52
Speaker 10: here live on Sky. This is going to be a
22:54
Speaker 10: massive test for her. The anti Hansen members of the
22:58
Speaker 10: Press Gallery are going to try tripper up. There will
23:01
Speaker 10: be all sorts of gotcha questions at the end, but
23:04
Speaker 10: I think people will be wanting to watch and listen
23:06
Speaker 10: to what the speech entails and what she says about
23:10
Speaker 10: some of the policies she might be about to wheel out.
23:13
Speaker 10: I should just point out they're very good at pulling
23:15
Speaker 10: rabbits out of a hack's hat One Nation, but the
23:18
Speaker 10: Herald Sun newspaper at the weekend down here did something
23:21
Speaker 10: very clever. They went to the One Nation head office
23:23
Speaker 10: in Victoria. It's in the southeastern suburbs, near Packenham. It's
23:27
Speaker 10: next to a gun shop. There's nothing in the store
23:30
Speaker 10: except a trailer and a couple of posters, and they
23:33
Speaker 10: don't have one candidate yet and the elections in five
23:36
Speaker 10: months time. How are you going to turn that mess
23:40
Speaker 10: into a political machine that can actually win seats? Michael
23:44
Speaker 10: had no better than me, but I think that's a
23:46
Speaker 10: hell of an ask.
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Speaker 2: Well, Michael Price has a point. I mean, One Nation
23:50
Speaker 2: is doing very well obviously, and in this latest poll
23:54
Speaker 2: it's leading for the first time on the primary voter
23:56
Speaker 2: it's edge past Labor twenty nine percent to Labour's twenty
24:00
Speaker 2: I said before the coalition is down to twenty percent.
24:04
Speaker 2: But does it have the candidates to be able to
24:07
Speaker 2: actually win a state election a general election? And do
24:13
Speaker 2: you think pulling hands? And I mean she'd have to
24:15
Speaker 2: move from the Senate to the lower House. But is
24:18
Speaker 2: she could she be a future prime minister.
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Speaker 12: Well, she'd probably run in Blair where she would be
24:25
Speaker 12: in the lower House. But I think Steve Price is right.
24:28
Speaker 12: It's a big job to get a whole state machine
24:31
Speaker 12: and candidates that are coherent and not sort of some
24:34
Speaker 12: of the weirdos that one nation has had in the
24:36
Speaker 12: past ready for the Victorian state election. But the fundraising
24:41
Speaker 12: and the polling show you one thing, Caroline. People hate
24:45
Speaker 12: the Prime minister and the current government, particularly after the budget.
24:50
Speaker 12: The real concern for democracy in Australia is you put
24:55
Speaker 12: the coalition in one nation together, even if they agree
24:58
Speaker 12: to swap preferences, will their voters deliver it. I can
25:02
Speaker 12: imagine a lot of the tea ladies in Brighton and
25:06
Speaker 12: Point Piper refuse. They may vote Liberal, but they will
25:09
Speaker 12: refuse to get their preferences to one nation and labor
25:13
Speaker 12: and the Greens will scrape back into federal power.
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Speaker 1: Remember it's two years away.
25:17
Speaker 12: Two years wait, I mean elbow seems to have been
25:20
Speaker 12: in for an eternity, but it's basically just a bit.
25:22
Speaker 1: Over a year.
25:23
Speaker 2: No time does not fly when you're not having fun,
25:27
Speaker 2: so that it drags and drags. Let's talk about what's
25:30
Speaker 2: been happening in Sydney, because there's tragic shark attack at
25:34
Speaker 2: Kuji Beach over the weekend has renewed calls for a
25:39
Speaker 2: shark cull after thirty five year old new mum Leah
25:43
Speaker 2: Stewart was left fighting for her life. The news out
25:46
Speaker 2: Bell's government now saying nothing is off the table. Former
25:50
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Tony Abbott Wade in today just.
25:53
Speaker 8: Read the latest news about a woman fighting for her
25:56
Speaker 8: life after a shag.
25:57
Speaker 3: Attack at cuts And Beach.
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Speaker 11: It's so wrong that we.
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Speaker 8: Don't cul sharks after tex It's so wrong that we
26:06
Speaker 8: don't have a commercial shark fishery given the explosion in
26:10
Speaker 8: shark numbers, and it's so wrong that we don't put
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Speaker 8: people before sharks.
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Speaker 2: Michael, I'll come to you first on this. Do you
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Speaker 2: agree with Tony Abbot. Here should sharks be culled?
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Speaker 1: Caroline.
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Speaker 12: I've never been in favor of sharks ever since I
26:26
Speaker 12: saw the four film Jaws. I think, look, most ordinary
26:31
Speaker 12: common sense people believe in culling sharks. I knew the
26:36
Speaker 12: new in viro cranks say we've got to let the
26:38
Speaker 12: sharks roam free. I don't believe it. The only problem
26:42
Speaker 12: is is that Tony Abbott is a great man. But
26:46
Speaker 12: I think he's making a mistake by outshiny Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 2: Maybe, but Angus Taylor hasn't said anything on this topic.
26:55
Speaker 2: And Tony Abbott, as we all know, is a keen sofa.
26:58
Speaker 2: He's at the beach a lot. It is sort of
27:01
Speaker 2: his Yeah, he was a great life saver. You know
27:04
Speaker 2: this is his his patch. I guess, Pricey, I want
27:08
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on that. But also, Channel nine
27:11
Speaker 2: went ahead with a broadcast of its primetime reality show
27:16
Speaker 2: titled Shark Last Night. Now, this show has celebrities confronting
27:20
Speaker 2: their fear of sharks. Take a look, it's not good TV.
27:25
Speaker 2: If one of us sketch been bitten by shark. I
27:27
Speaker 2: am pet Craig Okay.
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Speaker 10: Swimming blinds and not knowing if there's sharks underneath me
27:32
Speaker 10: or behind me.
27:33
Speaker 2: Dhummer is quite hundernighed. I can see him. We've got
27:36
Speaker 2: to have Rock cainan bloody hits.
27:38
Speaker 7: Got explore the ocean and meet some sharks.
27:42
Speaker 2: Pricey. Do you think it was tone deaf for nine
27:45
Speaker 2: to have gone ahead with that show last night given
27:47
Speaker 2: what had happened only the day before. They had dumped
27:51
Speaker 2: the show in Western Australia only two weeks before after
27:55
Speaker 2: a shark attack there.
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Speaker 10: I made of mind Scott Cam's on that. I think
27:59
Speaker 10: they to dump it. I mean, I can't understand how
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Speaker 10: management could should be so tone deaf, Caroline, when you
28:06
Speaker 10: consider the seriousness of what happened at Coulji Beach. I mean,
28:09
Speaker 10: this woman and our prayers go out to her and
28:11
Speaker 10: her recovery. She was swimming between the flags, she was
28:14
Speaker 10: in crystal clear water, and it's you know, we're in
28:17
Speaker 10: the middle of June, where you don't expect shark attacks.
28:20
Speaker 10: New South Wales has had five shark attacks in the
28:23
Speaker 10: last five months, so there is something going on with
28:28
Speaker 10: the behavior of sharks, particularly off the New South Wales coast.
28:32
Speaker 10: We get quite used to the fact that the northern
28:34
Speaker 10: New South Wales, where you do have large rivers running
28:37
Speaker 10: out into the ocean and you have muddy water where
28:40
Speaker 10: there are shark attacks. But to have one take place
28:42
Speaker 10: in Coulji Beach like that, I think that's sharpened everyone's
28:45
Speaker 10: view on this. And I think what we need to
28:47
Speaker 10: hear from the fishermen, the fishermen who fish off the
28:51
Speaker 10: coast of Sydney, what are they seeing out there when
28:54
Speaker 10: they go fishing. I heard one professional fisherman say in
28:57
Speaker 10: the past he'd never had a fish that he'd caught
29:00
Speaker 10: taken by a shark in five years, and now it's
29:02
Speaker 10: happening every time he goes out. So obviously the protection
29:06
Speaker 10: of the great white has meant they have materialized. There's
29:09
Speaker 10: many more of them, and so I don't have a
29:11
Speaker 10: problem with it with a cull. I know that the government,
29:14
Speaker 10: the New South Wales government's going to have to tread
29:16
Speaker 10: very carefully because forever we've been having this debate and
29:19
Speaker 10: you'd know, Caroline, because you're in Sydney over drum lines,
29:22
Speaker 10: over nets, Should beaches be netted, should drum lines be there?
29:25
Speaker 10: And for God's sake, Couldjie didn't have drones up because
29:29
Speaker 10: it's near the airport. What I mean, what aircraft's going
29:32
Speaker 10: to run into a drone across the flying at low
29:36
Speaker 10: level across? Could you beach for good?
29:37
Speaker 1: Suck?
29:38
Speaker 2: Well, now they're allowing the drones to go up, only
29:41
Speaker 2: the ones used for life saving and to keep a
29:45
Speaker 2: eye on sharks because they see that this is a problem.
29:48
Speaker 2: They usually have nats, but they took them down during
29:50
Speaker 2: winter for whale migration. So look, I'm with you. I
29:53
Speaker 2: think we had to put human lives before sharks and
29:57
Speaker 2: stop this mask smartness. See, thank you both for your
30:00
Speaker 2: time tonight. Unfortunately we're out of time for the other
30:03
Speaker 2: topics I was hoping to get to but still to come.
30:06
Speaker 2: I'll turn to Israel to get the local reaction to
30:09
Speaker 2: the around peace deal and for many there it's not good.
30:13
Speaker 2: And the founder of kogan dot com Roslinkogan will join
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Speaker 2: us exclusively to explain why the government's tax changes will
30:22
Speaker 2: fundamentally change immigration here and attract waters and welfare bludgers.
30:29
Speaker 2: Don't miss that next welcome back. Well, the Albaneze governments
30:36
Speaker 2: much criticized tax changes have a new prominent critic, with
30:40
Speaker 2: the founder and CEO of the phenomenally successful Cogan dot
30:44
Speaker 2: com Roslinkogan unloading on the proposal.
30:48
Speaker 3: If you're going to say, all right, the rewards for
30:51
Speaker 3: building something, for employing people, for contributing to society are
30:56
Speaker 3: going to be less, and there's going to be more,
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Speaker 3: more hand out, more government intervention, more government jobs, more
31:07
Speaker 3: welfare and all of that. Who were you going to
31:10
Speaker 3: attract to come to the country. We don't want people
31:12
Speaker 3: looking at Australia and going, oh, you know what, there's
31:15
Speaker 3: some great opportunity for some really sick NDIS scams, there's
31:20
Speaker 3: a really great welfare system. That's the sort of country
31:24
Speaker 3: that I want to come to.
31:26
Speaker 2: And Ruslin Cogan joins me now from Venice, where he
31:29
Speaker 2: is lucky enough to be holidaying with his family. Ruslin,
31:32
Speaker 2: you've obviously hit an ove with this post. It's been
31:36
Speaker 2: viewed now close to nine million times on x What
31:40
Speaker 2: prompted you to say something about these tax changes.
31:44
Speaker 3: Well, I was seeing a bit of discussion happening on
31:46
Speaker 3: the topic, and I was thinking, well, you know, a
31:50
Speaker 3: lot of people are discussing the technicalities of how the
31:53
Speaker 3: tax system should work and what should the you know,
31:59
Speaker 3: various values be and how should it be structured. And
32:01
Speaker 3: I was just thinking about it from the perspective that
32:05
Speaker 3: I do in business in a company culture, where when
32:09
Speaker 3: we're building a company, we're thinking what sort of people
32:11
Speaker 3: do we want to attract to want to come work
32:14
Speaker 3: for our business, and what sort of people do we
32:16
Speaker 3: want to never want to consider working at cogaan dot com?
32:22
Speaker 3: And what sort of culture are we building and applying
32:24
Speaker 3: that on a more macro level to the country and saying, well,
32:28
Speaker 3: why don't we take it back a step and go
32:30
Speaker 3: all right, we can debate lots of implementations about different
32:35
Speaker 3: tax systems, but what essentially are we trying to do?
32:38
Speaker 3: Who do we want to make Australia attractive for? What
32:41
Speaker 3: do we want the values of Australia to be? And
32:44
Speaker 3: I think that they're the first discussions that need to happen,
32:47
Speaker 3: And then you look at the various ways that you
32:50
Speaker 3: can implement that, and ultimately it comes down to tell
32:54
Speaker 3: me the incentive and I'll tell you the behavior.
32:56
Speaker 2: And I mean, we should make it clear. You're obviously
32:59
Speaker 2: not anti immation yourself. You came to Melbourne from Belarus
33:03
Speaker 2: as a child in nineteen eighty nine, and yet you
33:07
Speaker 2: talk in this video about how these changes will affect
33:11
Speaker 2: migration to Australia. And I think, as you say, that
33:14
Speaker 2: isn't a point that a lot of people or anyone
33:16
Speaker 2: really has touched on. Can you explain a bit more
33:20
Speaker 2: why you think it's going to attract the wrong kind
33:22
Speaker 2: of people to Australia.
33:25
Speaker 3: Well, when you rewind back to nineteen eighty nine, when
33:29
Speaker 3: my parents took the massive risk to drop everything they've
33:33
Speaker 3: got travel into the unknown to build a better life
33:37
Speaker 3: for their kids with ninety dollars in their pocket, it
33:41
Speaker 3: was all about coming to Australia to work really hard,
33:47
Speaker 3: to contribute to society because they believe that Australia is
33:51
Speaker 3: a place where you can go work really hard, build
33:55
Speaker 3: something and create a better life. They weren't attracted to
33:58
Speaker 3: Australia because somebody had told them that, oh there's a
34:02
Speaker 3: great welfare system or there's amazing handouts that you could
34:05
Speaker 3: scam by filling out forms this way or that way.
34:08
Speaker 3: They were legitimately looking to build something. And I think
34:12
Speaker 3: that immigrants and migrants that bring that work ethic and
34:17
Speaker 3: the skills and the education in various fields to Australia
34:21
Speaker 3: can be a huge asset to our country. Migrants and
34:24
Speaker 3: immigrants are amazing people. There are predetermined people who are
34:31
Speaker 3: risk takers, hard workers, and that can be a wonderful thing.
34:38
Speaker 3: So I love the concept of immigrants and migration because
34:42
Speaker 3: my family did it, and thankfully they did it and
34:45
Speaker 3: built a better life for us in Australia and gave
34:49
Speaker 3: us the opportunities that we've had. I was just merely
34:52
Speaker 3: pointing out that depending like Australia has changed a lot
34:56
Speaker 3: in the in the thirty five or so years since then.
35:02
Speaker 3: And if you change the incentives, and you change the
35:06
Speaker 3: system to incentivize a different sort of behavior, you're going
35:09
Speaker 3: to have very different sort of immigrants that come to
35:12
Speaker 3: Australia than what you had through the nineteen eighties.
35:15
Speaker 2: You know, more business leaders like yourself speaking up about
35:19
Speaker 2: these sorts of changes are now one of the biggest
35:22
Speaker 2: super annuation funds host pluses, warning like you that capital
35:26
Speaker 2: gains tax overhaul could hurt investment and innovation in this country.
35:31
Speaker 2: And that's despite super funds being exempt from these tax changes.
35:34
Speaker 2: But why do you think more people, business leaders, especially
35:38
Speaker 2: who may not have been political before, might not have
35:41
Speaker 2: stuck their necks out, are now putting themselves out there
35:45
Speaker 2: and criticizing this government. Has it just reached boiling point? Now?
35:49
Speaker 2: Have people had enough?
35:52
Speaker 3: I think business leaders in general are having lots of
35:55
Speaker 3: discussions with entrepreneurs, with people who start businesses. They've had
36:00
Speaker 3: a career talking to people who are deciding whether they
36:06
Speaker 3: stay in one form of a job or whether they
36:09
Speaker 3: have a crack at a business, and how hard they
36:12
Speaker 3: should work and what they should do and what they
36:14
Speaker 3: should build. So they're people who are essentially at the
36:20
Speaker 3: forefront of talking to the builders in the country. And
36:25
Speaker 3: I think they're scared. I think that they're seeing the
36:27
Speaker 3: writing on the wall. They're probably hearing the sentiment from
36:30
Speaker 3: a lot of entrepreneurs. On one hand, it's fair enough
36:33
Speaker 3: to say, look, in reality, Australia is the best country
36:37
Speaker 3: in the world, which I really agree with, and you know,
36:40
Speaker 3: we've got an amazing country and you just want to
36:42
Speaker 3: see it head in the right direction and be better
36:45
Speaker 3: today than it was yesterday. But on the other hand,
36:50
Speaker 3: you go, well, if we keep changing these policies, that
36:56
Speaker 3: may not be the case, and we may be having
37:00
Speaker 3: an exodus of talent, which we've seen all over the world.
37:03
Speaker 3: This isn't you know, We're not the first country that
37:08
Speaker 3: may incentivize talent to leave. And when you also correlate
37:13
Speaker 3: that with the fact that when you look at any
37:15
Speaker 3: of the business lists, there's a lot of immigrants on
37:19
Speaker 3: them because they're a highly predetermined group of people who
37:25
Speaker 3: are willing to drop everything they've got and take massive
37:28
Speaker 3: risks to build a better life for their families. So
37:31
Speaker 3: you go, all right, the people who do this building,
37:33
Speaker 3: the people that create businesses, the people that create jobs
37:37
Speaker 3: and opportunities and move our economy forward, are also the
37:40
Speaker 3: sort of people that are highly predisposition to taking risks.
37:45
Speaker 3: And if one place is telling them, you know what,
37:47
Speaker 3: we don't really value that sort of imput we don't
37:50
Speaker 3: really value your hard work, or the people that you employ,
37:55
Speaker 3: or the risks that you take, or the sleepless nights
37:58
Speaker 3: that you endure thinking how to make your business better.
38:00
Speaker 3: That's not really what we value here. It's not outside
38:05
Speaker 3: the realm of possibilities that those people will pack up
38:08
Speaker 3: shop and leave.
38:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, it isn't Ruzland Cocaine. Thank you so much for
38:12
Speaker 2: taking time out of your family trip to join us.
38:15
Speaker 2: Let's hope the government is listening to some of what
38:17
Speaker 2: you had to say. It makes a lot of sense
38:19
Speaker 2: coming up. After the break, Trump takes another shocking swipe
38:23
Speaker 2: at Benjamin Nanna, who will turn live to Israel for
38:27
Speaker 2: some reaction, and the US President celebrates his eightieth birthday
38:31
Speaker 2: in the way only Trump can, with a big UFC
38:34
Speaker 2: fight right on the front lawn of the White House.
38:42
Speaker 2: President Trump's proposed deal with Iran is already being called
38:45
Speaker 2: a bad deal in Israel, with critics warning it leaves
38:49
Speaker 2: Tehran's nuclear program, ballistic missiles, and terror proxies untouched. It
38:55
Speaker 2: would extend the seas fire for sixty days and reopen
38:58
Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormuz, but Israel has reportedly been kept
39:02
Speaker 2: out of the negotiations. Flur Hassana, whom israel Foreign Ministry's
39:07
Speaker 2: Special envoy and former Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem, joins me. Now,
39:12
Speaker 2: thank you for your time tonight. These reports calling this
39:15
Speaker 2: a bad deal in Israel, is that the majority view there?
39:19
Speaker 2: Would you say, or how is the deal being received?
39:23
Speaker 6: The truth is that we have very little information of
39:26
Speaker 6: what the deal actually is. It has not been published yet,
39:30
Speaker 6: and it's full. It's an MoU it's a memorandum of understanding.
39:35
Speaker 6: The deal is supposed to be properly negotiated in sixty days.
39:38
Speaker 6: So all we're hearing right now is Iranian state propaganda
39:44
Speaker 6: talking about how they have cut a fantastic deal, how
39:48
Speaker 6: they can continue with some uranium enrichment, how they have
39:54
Speaker 6: won because the Strait of Hormuz is open, and how
39:57
Speaker 6: they are going to have a three hundred billion.
39:59
Speaker 7: Dollar reconstruction plan for their country.
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Speaker 6: So at the moment, because it's such little details coming
40:06
Speaker 6: out of the American side, all we hear is Iranian
40:09
Speaker 6: state propaganda.
40:11
Speaker 2: So the state propaganda in Iran is actually saying they'll
40:13
Speaker 2: be able to continue with some Uranian enrichment. Because Trump
40:16
Speaker 2: is touting this as they're not going to have any
40:19
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons, they're going to get rid of all their
40:23
Speaker 2: enriched uranium. But that sounds like that sounds like a
40:26
Speaker 2: contrast to what Iran is saying.
40:28
Speaker 7: Well, that's exactly it. The Iranians are saying we can
40:32
Speaker 7: keep the.
40:33
Speaker 6: Right to enrich uranium, and the Americans are saying they
40:36
Speaker 6: have given their right to nuclear power, they've given the
40:40
Speaker 6: right to any type of military nuclear So that's where
40:45
Speaker 6: you could say, in diplomacy, there's something called constructive ambiguity,
40:49
Speaker 6: where every side actually interpests things.
40:51
Speaker 7: A different way.
40:52
Speaker 6: But in this case we're talking about Trump's promise. Trump's
40:56
Speaker 6: vowed that Iran would not have a capacity to uranium
41:00
Speaker 6: and to build a bomb, and the Uranian side saying,
41:03
Speaker 6: we can still enrich uranium. And let's see where we
41:07
Speaker 6: destroy the sixty percent enriched uranium, whether it's in our country,
41:13
Speaker 6: whether it's exploited, where the Americans supervised.
41:16
Speaker 7: You know, at the end of the day, the devil
41:17
Speaker 7: is into detail. We have no details whatsoever.
41:20
Speaker 2: Well, it's a let's wait and see. But if Iran
41:23
Speaker 2: is already saying that it is not looking too promising,
41:26
Speaker 2: I think I Meanwhile, Trump has come out with some
41:28
Speaker 2: pretty shocking comments about Benjamin Nanna, who during an interview
41:33
Speaker 2: with The New York Times, saying that quote, he's a
41:36
Speaker 2: very difficult guy, and to be honest with you, he
41:39
Speaker 2: should be very thankful to us for doing this. He
41:42
Speaker 2: also told Fox News that Bibbi had no effing judgment
41:48
Speaker 2: after the Israeli Prime ministers struck back at Hezbollah over
41:52
Speaker 2: its attacks on Israel while peace negotiations were ongoing flour
41:56
Speaker 2: How are these comments from Trump about Nanya, who being
42:00
Speaker 2: received in Israel? Do you think it was fair of
42:03
Speaker 2: Trump to attack the Israeli Prime Minister for hitting back
42:07
Speaker 2: after Hezbolah's attacks against Israel.
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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, every country has the right of
42:12
Speaker 6: self defense. We have a situation where the north of
42:15
Speaker 6: Israel has been constantly attacked from from the eighth of
42:20
Speaker 6: October twenty twenty three, we've had almost one hundred thousand
42:23
Speaker 6: evacuees from the north of the country.
42:25
Speaker 7: Business has destroyed, kids running into shelters for two and
42:29
Speaker 7: a half years. So it is Israel's right to defend.
42:32
Speaker 6: Itself from the jihadi proxy that is Hesbola. Rasbola have
42:37
Speaker 6: also made the lives of Lebanese people completely miserable. It's
42:40
Speaker 6: taken over the country. It's an illegal occupation of Lebanon.
42:43
Speaker 6: But putting all that aside, we have to understand something.
42:46
Speaker 6: Trump is somebody who one day will say this, and
42:50
Speaker 6: the next day will say that Netta Niao is his
42:52
Speaker 6: best friend, and the next day will say that Israel
42:55
Speaker 6: is the strongest allies, and the next day will say
42:57
Speaker 6: something else. We can't forget one thing, that this whole
43:01
Speaker 6: thing could be theater, complete theater.
43:05
Speaker 7: We don't know what's going to happen in sixty days.
43:08
Speaker 7: We don't know if this is Trump's way of playing
43:10
Speaker 7: for time. This has happened before. This is not just
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Speaker 7: my delusions.
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Speaker 6: Last year there were to the run up of the
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Speaker 6: war with Iran that Israel started after being attacked by
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Speaker 6: Iron twice in twenty twenty four, the same script, Trump
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Speaker 6: saying negative things about it and now and then it
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Speaker 6: turned out to be the reason or the way to
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Speaker 6: get a surprise attack. Same thing happened again end of
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Speaker 6: February of this year, beginning of March. There was some
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Speaker 6: type of rift between Trump and It's and now the
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Speaker 6: next thing we know, we're attacking Iran together. I would
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Speaker 6: not be surprised if this was an elaborate ruse to
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Speaker 6: get Iran to bring down their defenses so we can
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Speaker 6: finish the job.
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Speaker 7: We don't know what's going to happen. Sixty days in
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Speaker 7: this region is a long long time.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well that is a very interesting take for But
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Speaker 2: it is the second time in a week Trump has
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Speaker 2: publicly rebuked Nannyahu. Even if it is theater and some
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Speaker 2: kind of strategy, he's got to hoodwink the Iranians. Where
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Speaker 2: do you think their relationship stands now? I mean surely
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Speaker 2: it would be humiliating for Netanyahu to be rebuked by
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Speaker 2: his closest ally on the world stage.
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Speaker 6: You know, one thing is being rebuked and one thing
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Speaker 6: is Israel reserving the right to defend your stuff, which
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Speaker 6: we did yesterday after relentless attacks by Hasbola, Israel attacked
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Speaker 6: the Hasbola stronghold in a suburb of Beirut. Would Trump
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Speaker 6: had preferred Natania not to do that, of course, you
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Speaker 6: what if you didn't want anything, you know, putting his
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Speaker 6: deal off track.
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Speaker 7: But Israel did what was good for Israel.
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Speaker 6: Israel did what we needed to do to defend the
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Speaker 6: north of the country from these Kasbola terrasts. So he
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Speaker 6: can say everything he wants, and it is dangerous because
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Speaker 6: at the end of the day, in this region and
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Speaker 6: everywhere where else, perception is reality. But at the end
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Speaker 6: of the day, Israel has to do what's right for Israel.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, I couldn't agree with you more. I
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Speaker 2: just think sadly Israel has become such a pariah in
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Speaker 2: the world stage. You see how our own government here
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Speaker 2: in Australia has treated Israel, and Trump is its closest ally,
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Speaker 2: So it can be discipening, it can be decigning.
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Speaker 6: We've become the world's punching back, and fortunately we have
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Speaker 6: two thousand years of history that tells you that this
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Speaker 6: is the way it's always been.
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Speaker 2: So sad, it's sad that Trump is throwing a few
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Speaker 2: punches now to Fleur Hasanahum, thank you for your time. Now,
45:37
Speaker 2: don't go anywhere yet. I'll discuss which Democrats have criticized
45:41
Speaker 2: the Iron Peace Deal already, despite demanding one since day one.
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Speaker 2: Kosha Gada on that next welcome back. Despite facing a
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Speaker 2: massive pressure in the US the war for the war
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East to end, Trump is still facing
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Speaker 2: heavy backlash back home over his Iron Peace Deal. Democratic
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Speaker 2: Senator Jack Reid said, for one hundred days, we've been
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Speaker 2: hearing constantly there's going to be a deal. There's going
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Speaker 2: to be a deal. I think the precipitating issue today
46:14
Speaker 2: the President wants to give himself a birthday present, and
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Speaker 2: we have paid for it with hundreds of billions of dollars.
46:21
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Skyanese contributor. Kosher Gata Kosher always
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Speaker 2: great to see you. It seems hypocritical for the Democrats
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Speaker 2: to lash Trump over this peace deal. I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: something they have been calling for since the beginning.
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Speaker 11: It is definitely hypocritical, and they have been all over
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Speaker 11: the map on this issue, for sure. They've been calling
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Speaker 11: for it from the beginning. They're all over the police
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Speaker 11: criticizing the Act of war and it didn't have congressional
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Speaker 11: improvement approval and all of that, but then also criticizing
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Speaker 11: any movement towards a peace deal, of course for their
46:54
Speaker 11: own political expediency. But there's also a kernel of truth
46:57
Speaker 11: in it because they do know that this war has
46:59
Speaker 11: been broadly very unpopular in the US. The case was
47:03
Speaker 11: never clearly made to the American people. We know that
47:06
Speaker 11: the Trump base on the right has been very unhappy
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Speaker 11: with it and fears of being mired in something again
47:12
Speaker 11: after twenty years in the Middle East, which is a
47:15
Speaker 11: very unpopular position, something of course Trump ran on. So
47:17
Speaker 11: they know that and they're able to make political hay
47:20
Speaker 11: of this. And the issue too, is this MoU as
47:23
Speaker 11: a previous guest was saying, it's still pretty squishy. There's
47:26
Speaker 11: a lot of uncertainty around it. So what it does
47:29
Speaker 11: is it sort of becomes this rorsha test for everybody
47:32
Speaker 11: who's looking at it to see what they want to
47:34
Speaker 11: see and criticize whatever they want to criticize. And we're
47:37
Speaker 11: just a few short months away from the midterm elections,
47:39
Speaker 11: so I think all sides are going to pick it
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Speaker 11: apart and use it for their own political advantage.
47:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could be right, at least until we get
47:47
Speaker 2: more detail about what's actually involved in until the signatures
47:50
Speaker 2: are on the page, let's hold our breaths look. Speaking
47:55
Speaker 2: of Trump's birthday, the UFC Freedom two fifty at the
47:59
Speaker 2: White House kicked off earlier today and with a major upset.
48:04
Speaker 2: All seven of the fights ended via TKO or technical knockout,
48:09
Speaker 2: meaning no real knockout, no controversy yet. The entire event
48:14
Speaker 2: has been met with rave reviews, with four thousand fans
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Speaker 2: who managed to score tickets flocking to the special arena
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Speaker 2: that had been set up on the White House lawn Kosher.
48:25
Speaker 2: This is quite a way to celebrate an eightieth birthday.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't imagine Joe Barden doing something like this.
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Speaker 2: How do you think it all went.
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Speaker 11: I think I can imagine any world leader doing something
48:37
Speaker 11: like this. As you said in your teaser before the break,
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Speaker 11: this is something only Trump can do. It's a rather
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Speaker 11: unconventional way to celebrate a birthday on the White House lawn.
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Speaker 11: No less, of course, but it is very Trump. It's
48:50
Speaker 11: a combative sport. It has a high spectacle aspect to it.
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Speaker 2: It is very red.
48:57
Speaker 11: Meat to the base. He personally loves it, personal passion
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Speaker 11: project of his. He very famously has gone out to
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Speaker 11: see many many matches. He's a close personal friend of
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Speaker 11: Dana White, the CEO of the UFC, and so he's
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Speaker 11: sort of.
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Speaker 2: Rolling it in.
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Speaker 11: It's his birthday, but he's rolling it into the two
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Speaker 11: fiftieth anniversary of the US and those celebrations that are
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Speaker 11: kicking off right now, and it is something very much
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Speaker 11: like Trump. I think it cost them something like twenty
49:21
Speaker 11: million dollars, sorry, sixty million dollars to put the show on,
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Speaker 11: all privately funded by the UFC, and reportedly they may
49:28
Speaker 11: actually make a loss on it in terms of this event,
49:31
Speaker 11: but it went on. It really went off without a hitch.
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Speaker 11: It got so much brand equity for them, I think,
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Speaker 11: around the world, and it was just such a historic
49:40
Speaker 11: It's certainly a first doing this on the White House lawn.
49:43
Speaker 11: So I think they factor that in as a broader
49:44
Speaker 11: marketing benefit for them.
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Speaker 4: In the long term.
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Speaker 2: The kosher would you go and watch a UFC UFC match?
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Speaker 2: Have you ever been to one?
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Speaker 11: Just quickly, I I'm not a huge sports aficionado, Caroline,
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Speaker 11: I would admit that, and certainly UFC is not my
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Speaker 11: of g but I do admire the institution and the organization.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, very diplomatically, said kosher Ghada, thank you for
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Speaker 2: your time, and that is all the time we have
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Speaker 2: for tonight. I'll see you back here tomorrow at eight.
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Speaker 2: But now for a real sports fan, my friend Paul
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Speaker 2: Murray