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EP #78 - Angels, Demons & Therapy - Boris Walter · Spiritual AF!

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden his voice changes and says, Hi, very calm and deeper.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Oh, here we go, another possession.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then he's like, he goes, You don't recognize me, do you?
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: The religious community really think I'm talking to demons.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I'm with you and I care about you as an individual, a sovereign soul on this earth.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: You can call whatever you want, but I'm paying attention to what's happening in your heart and your mind in real time right now.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because I have a message for you and I don't have long.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Your thirst for knowledge will consume you.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay, if you died in 1981, but you're born in 1996, what happened in those 15 years?
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Nothing.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: We waited for this body.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: You're dishonoring the thing that you already know to be true by pretending it doesn't exist so you can be wound by its revelation again.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um at what point do you just get on with it?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I'm Liz Bulf, and I'm Diana Drew School.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: And this is Spiritual As, where spirituality meets the real world.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: In this episode, we have a phenomenal conversation with Boris Walter.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: Boris is a former boilermaker, turn psychotherapist who works with hypnosis, past life regression, altered states, and the convergence of psychology and spirituality.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: Today's conversation explores what happens when psychology collides with spirituality.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: We talk angels, demons, therapy, hypnosis, and some extraordinary past lives.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: Hey everybody, welcome to yet another episode of Spiritualist Fuck, where, as you already know by now, we dive into all of the weird and wonderful.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: We have a really special guest today.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_02: I would love to introduce you to Boris Walter.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome, Boris.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me, guys.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate it.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: I have to tell you a story.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: So a little while back now, I first came across a little video snippet on Instagram.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember watching it and going, oh my God, clicking center, Diane, going, I think in capital letters, we have to get this guy on the pod.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: And Diane's like, Yes, okay.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then you look into your story a little bit more and researching your background.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: What was really interesting was that I personally started out looking at, you know, all of these mind-blowing experiences that you'd had.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then I was like, what?
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: He started out as a boilermaker?
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: How on earth do we join those dots?
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: So I feel like we have to start there.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: So could you go back to that point and tell us how you know you ended up on this path?
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think like the majority of people, we're just doing our jobs, right?
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: We're just participating in the world.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: And we our mental frameworks are really designed by society.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just in the world.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm doing my job.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm doing what I think is meaningful, which is just to survive, make money, how can I climb the ranks?
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm I'm I'm paying attention that I don't fully belong at the same time.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I was really confident and good at what I did in welding, but it wasn't, it wasn't me and I knew it.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so there was a time where I was, I think, at the pit the epitome of what a boilermaker could do in Australia.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think for payment-wise, it was like working offshore oil and gas.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I knew there was a moment there where I'm like, okay, if this is the best the job can offer, where to from here?
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: Is it just climb ranks within it?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: Not really.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was I was I was feeling the squeeze of knowing time really matters and time will run out.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, well, what I want, what do I want to do with myself?
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: If now that I have the luxury of this position, this is a good life.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: I work only half the year on a roster of three weeks on, three weeks off.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, could I spend the rest of my life doing this?
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: And the answer was a definite no.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so I knew that there has to be something else.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I started really thinking about well, what do I really like doing?
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like how on average, how do I find myself really in average scenarios?
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I there was a consistency, no matter where I went, I would be in deep with people, like I'd be on the oil rigs in the middle of nowhere on night shift with Americans, and uh, you know, it's such you feel like you're so separate from society, but yet you'll find Boris in some dark corner of the rig, in some really deep chat about the universe, and it just really inspired me.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: Part of me knew that it was not right.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not there to be chatting to people while I'm getting paid to be building things with metal.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I didn't care.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's something about that dynamic I knew was more significant than just let's say me getting in trouble for for talking and not not doing my work.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: But when someone had something real to share, usually like a something that was to the heart, you know, it's like I would pause and I just knew this was important.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, I have to go study something along the lines with with the mind, the mental world.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so I decided to have a crack at psychology uh and counseling.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I went to university and studied full-time while I was working away on a on a roster.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I'd bring my books out there and do my assignments after 12-hour shifts, and then I'd go back home and you know be with the family, do my duties there, but then I'd, you know, be upstairs or downstairs, sorry, in my office doing my assignments and being uh at the university during the day as well.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, just did that for the three-year undergrad um and really just participated in everything as much as I could and yeah, made it to the end and then did masters, and that was a qualified psychotherapist.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I went pretty pretty quickly into hypnotherapy.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: And look, it's like I knew I was getting close, but I still wasn't on it.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's like this is it.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: I I loved it.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: University was easy for me, even though I didn't I couldn't write an essay for the life of me in high school.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: I loved what I was learning about, and so I found the writing quite easy, and I knew I was getting close to something, and so I opened the private practice and I'm counseling people, and I feel like, okay, cool, we're making some changes here.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: People are feeling comfortable.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, I'm making money for the first time, actually talking to people now for the first time.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: So it's quite exciting coming from Boilermaker's position.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but and I I went and learned hypnosis and I knew straight away there's something about this that's important.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: And um, the moment I implemented hypnosis in my my practice, it just opened up a whole thing that I wasn't even prepared for.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: And um it that guided me.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was no longer in what I felt like a controller's position, the one directing the ship.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's like the practice itself took a mind of its own, and I felt like a follower of the work as a guided.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I just I I find that fascinating because I I guess what I what I know about your your background as well is that you weren't like you, yes, you're into the deep and meaningfuls and talking about the universe, and you but you wouldn't have considered yourself to be a spiritual person, or I guess if you're going to be looking at psychotherapy or looking at that, that's very much of the mind and the intellect as opposed to the to the spirit.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: How did that like when you then went to your in a practicing uh psychotherapist?
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Then you're going into hypnotic uh not yet regressions, but you're on the on the edge of that.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: That first session that you had that was like, okay, here's my standard practice as a psychotherapist, and now I'm dipping into something that I can't freaking explain, that's not of the mind.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: Where like can you talk us through that moment for you?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's an interesting thing, you know, as I explain this moment, because there's an interesting part there where people always ask me, when it happened, like as I'm about to explain what happened, were you scared?
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's very out of this world, you're where it was going.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but so I had this weird calmness about me that as if I this is perfectly normal, and I really couldn't explain that in me as well at the same time.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: But so anyway, as I'm just regressing someone, let's say, into their childhood, which is what I thought regression therapy really is about.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: You just I was picking ages, okay.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: Let's try 10 years old.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was okay, let's try five years old.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: Cool, he's explaining some visions, and he was a great hypnotic subject.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: Very we already had rapport.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's a big component of hypnosis, is that you have rapport with your client.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: So he already had rapport.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: So we had a great level of trust in me already, which helps the facilitation of letting go.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, five years old, one year old, one and a half years old, he's seeing a bit blurry now.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's seeing himself playing with blocks and stuff, and and then I just asked one question, and that's where everything changed.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: Instead of me directing it, I just said, Okay, go to the time and place that you most think is relevant or important for your healing.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I left it open for the subconscious to sort of just go wherever I wanted to go.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, he immediately just started explaining an environment that made me curious.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't really see where it was coming from.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: He explained uh a body type of his his his clothing, his hair, and I'm like, I'm hard I'm finding it hard to place this on this client.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: And um, then I asked him how old he is, and he says 27, and that's that was six years beyond his actual age.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so I I'm like, I'm trying to make sense of it clinically, logically, okay, he's projecting himself in the future.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: Cool, cool.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm just following him now.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: What what I found was was good and ethical, and I wouldn't change it, um, is that I just was curious.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't insert anything.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't, I was just okay, where's he going?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: Where's he going?
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: Where's he going?
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: Where's this going?
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: I I just maintained a curiosity and just kept questioning.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so as he's explaining his hair, his body, his life, his his age, I'm asked his name.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: He says, My name's Jeremy, but that's not his name.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay, cool.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just, you know, a bit confused, but I'm going with it.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so in my mind, he's he's about to go near something highly traumatic.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he it's so difficult for him that he's creating a false identity to go near it, which is what we would understand of like dissociation or multiple personality disorder, DID, you know, so where you really have to create a split in the mind, you know, where we see those movies like Bite Club.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm thinking he's really had to um just split himself and create a false character about to go near something difficult.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: And but what was different is that there was the this this real calmness about him and an emotional acceptance of things, it's just how it is.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: A matter of fact, there was no questioning in his own mind as well.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'm just fast-forwarding what happens next, what happens next, and we get eventually to his deathbed, and he's 72 years old, and he's like, Okay, I said, Cool.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: Why are you there?
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: He says, I'm dying of heart failure.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay, cool.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, who's with you?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: My wife Susan is on my left.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Do you have any children?
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Yes, Chris and Alex, uh uh Axel and Chris, and I love them dearly.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, but but he started tearing, so he's showing these emotional connections to these people that I'm like, wow, this is elaborate.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Where's the traumatic part here?
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, where does this make sense?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just following again, and then he's like, I just say, Hey, is there a date?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: He says September 11, 1981.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay, that's 15 years prior to his birth.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: My client was born in 1996.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: Why is he saying 81?
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: And he's 72 years old.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, okay, all right, that's cool, man.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever you want.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'm just maintaining curiosity.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh he says, Um, I said, uh why are you this is heart failure?
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: And anyway, I said, okay, what happens next?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: He says, I've just died, I'm above my body now.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay, if you're above your body, what do you look like?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Here I am, this naive.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, what do you what do you look like?
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: If you're on the the bed, but you're above watching, what do you look like if I was to see you?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: He says, I'm just like this oval kind of shape, light.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's energetic, it's not physical.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: And he says, This is this is light, this this grand light above me, and it's drawing me in.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, uh, okay, cool.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: This sounds very much like the stereotypes of uh how someone dies, you know, in the in a in a religious setting or a movie.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm like, cool.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I said, Well, how does it feel?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Euphoric.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, if it feels good, I said, go ahead and see what happens next.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm asking us to see what happens.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then he passes through this light, and all of a sudden, yeah, that's where his even his linguistic style changed a bit, and he started speaking from an all-knowing position, uh, and third person as well, not even in first person.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: He was speaking in third person now, and his capacity for language, yeah, was just was doubled.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the way he spoke was more proverbial, um, more proper.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: And uh he had this all-knowing of himself, and so uh I said, Okay, if you died in 1981, but uh but you're born in 1996, what happened in those 15 years?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Nothing.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: We we waited for this body, and I I said, I said, what do you mean we?
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: We we wave this body.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Yes, this body is strong and it will unite people.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I said, Okay.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh who is we?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, he will unite people.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: I said, and who's he?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, Who are you then?
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Who am I speaking to?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: If he is he, and who are you?
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: And he says, uh Kleinhade, and he spells it.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: I asked him to spell it, and he says, K-L-E-I-N-E, H A I D E.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I said, okay, where's that from?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: And he says, it's ancient, you wouldn't understand.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: He assumes my knowledge and just says, You wouldn't understand.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, I started to feel like I was losing power in the room all of a sudden, like I wasn't the smartest one directing anymore.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Okay, uh, okay, so what's your role here?
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, I watch over him.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: So you watch over him?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Yes.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but do you have a position?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do you call yourself in position?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: He says, You would refer to me, or many referred to us as an ascended master.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay, all right, sir, Mr.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Ascended Master, Kleinhead.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I said, Okay, uh, well, what are you here for in this moment?
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what what what are we what are you doing here?
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, I I'm here to tell you, essentially, uh, what's going on?
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: I brought him here, essentially, for this moment.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he was always going to come here to this moment.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Okay, and he said, Yeah, he's still suffering from isolation from a life in Greece, he said, in Greece, 747 BC.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay, and what's interesting when I woke him up later and his limited capacity of knowledge or research or history, I asked him when he thought the Greek, ancient Greek Empire existed, in what era?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: I have no clue.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: I just said, Oh, just guess, just guess anything, man.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, Oh, like the 1500s or something.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, No, but he got it, it is it is within that frame of 747 is smack in the middle of the Greek Empire.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and so he said that, and then he said also gr in ancient Egypt as well.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's still suffering from something that happened back then.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: And he says, uh, I know you as well.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: And he says, and I said, Well, you know me.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Yes, I know you.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Um, I knew you in Greece, and I knew you in Egypt.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, your name was Zagma.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Your name was Zagma in Greece, and in Egypt, your name was uh he pronounced it like Alshemir, something like that.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I um I said, Okay, he says, Yes, people came to you by the thousands, you would help direct them in their life path.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: You were a scholar and then a philosopher, and um you're you're you're doing it again now.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: You helped us back then, and you're helping us again now.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just thinking, that's a lot.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what's the first assignment book?
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is my first session, and he then brings up a name, Ezekiel.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're connected to a name, Ezekiel.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I just wrote it down in my book, no clue, left it there.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but he had this all-knowing kind of presence about him.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: What's interesting is that it was benevolent and he was only really concerned about the betterment of my client.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, because I've had a lot of opinions on this stuff and the amount of times this has happened now over the years that I, you know, communicate with what seems like these beings, uh, people weigh in a lot on what they think that is.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: And the religious community really think I'm talking to demons, um, you know, uh depending on which faith you're you're attached to.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: And but look, I'm not I'm not concerned at the moment with what it is defined as, whether it's an ascended master or a a demon.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: The consistency is I have discernment as to what is the outcome on my client.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, how do they feel after?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: What does their life look like?
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: What's their perspective like now?
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: And if it's if it's good, meaning it leads to more coherence, more harmony, uh, more forgiveness, um, more courage and faith to take on their life with a with a bit more forthrightedness.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, who am I to stop or anything because of I think it's defined if I do this stuff, it's like demonic, or I've so I've stayed out of the label sphere of the labels, whether it's this school of thought, that school of thought, religious, spiritual, esoteric, occult.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't associate with any of it in any subscription.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I'm with you and I care about you as an individual, a sovereign soul on this earth.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can call it whatever you want, but I'm paying attention to what's happening in your heart and your mind in real time right now.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: If it's if you you'll know when some, I mean, I've had some pretty scary things happen where it becomes the exorcism type experiences.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: And okay, I'm paying attention to that.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm treating it as an innocent soul of the earth, as I would any uh uh human that's aggressive.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they uh hurt.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: I uh so I I come with that energy that I'm safe.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: You can't really hurt me, and I know that you're hurting.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I've done weird kinds of therapies where a ghost or a lost soul has like possessed a body or or a uh building somewhere that this person has interacted with and it's somehow stuck to their essence.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm doing therapy on someone that died 50 years ago in that building that uh experienced some traumatic thing that then hung themselves, and I've I'm now talking to it about its life, and so it can transcend in some way, and so I don't I'm just being there for whatever pops up.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not I'm not judging anything, I'm just hey, let's bring more love to you, to you.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you want some love for whoever pops up.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm bringing darkness into light.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's all I care about.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna wind back here because we went a lot of places then.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sorry.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: No, it was amazing.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just thinking you went into that session there, like kind of just living your standard life.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then that experience happened.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: You were completely cool as a cucumber, by the way, like leading him through that experience.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like to say that that was the first time that that happened to you.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_02: What came to me was do you feel that was that your spiritual awakening right there?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: Was that that point in time where you are thrown into what life was to look like moving forward?
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: What do you see that as?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it would be one of the significant moments, uh, Milestone.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: We all have them where you really get the nudge.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think there's any force in this world.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think free will exists to the capacity that you will always have the divine right to choose what you want to do left or right in this world.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: But you get big nudges, you know, and you can either ignore them or or really just get on with it.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: That one was a big nudge to say, hey, Boris, there's more to this world than you think.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: That was the message.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then what I did with that was my choice.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: I I really was okay, I'm I'm sensitive to my peers, my colleagues.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to sound like the crazy weird guy.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's you know, I've only just started.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Who am I to really sound like I've done enough research or discernment of this thing?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I was really hesitant.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: And when it happened more and more and more, you could see that okay, there's something here, but I wasn't leaning into it for a while.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't the big moment that says now I'm fully in.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: It was the big uppercut that said, Boris, it's in this sphere.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: You were getting closer with psychology, but it's more along this line.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is, but I was afraid of it.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm looking up all pioneers in the world that had done this, people that are more credible than I am, that have done this maybe or experienced the same thing.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because I don't want to sound like that crazy.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Are they just going to say that I'm making it all up or I'm searching for it in some way?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I really didn't believe in my own capacities as well.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't trained in this, whatever the hell this is.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so I um I didn't lean into it, but then I got another nudge, another big nudge along the way.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: So there was these incremental moments that was like a yes, one big one, and then there was another big one, and then another big one across time where I had to really just like hey, Boris, get your own ego out of the way.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: This takes the two core pillars of spirituality, which is courage and faith.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's all you have, because there's something inside you that you know you're denying and you're too concerned with how your peers and colleagues are gonna receive you.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: But you need to get over that.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: That was the core messaging, and just step into it.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so there's a few things that happened along the way that gave me that uppercut.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: I feel that is so important for a lot of people who are listening right now because you know that there are more and more people who are having those experiences who are, you know, awakening in different ways and they're questioning their whole belief system.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: And it's to hear that kind of, you know, the people who've had the courage to keep, you know, putting one foot in front of the other.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, the kind of universe or spur kind of pushes you forward, but also the fact that taking that leap of faith.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, hearing this from you, the one-time boilermaker, and now where you're, you know, talking to us from today is a huge thing.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: But I'd love to go back to when you spoke about um, you know, the not labeling things, because I find, you know, as human beings, we want to label everything.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: We want to put things in nice little neat boxes and say, well, this is a demon, this is an angel, this is spiritual, this is, you know, physical, no matter what it is, even though internally we know that there's so much more calling to us that we can't explain.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: We're always consciously trying to explain it.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Can you offer some um I want to say the word guidance, but I don't think it's right, um, but to people who may be finding themselves that they're either wanting to label things as good or bad, or um that maybe they are in that real realm of the physical, real intellectual kind of world versus the, you know, spiritual woo-woo, almost like that foot in both, in both places.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Is there anything that you'd like to kind of share with people through your experience, even if it's a story that comes to mind, to just help people go from that you've got one foot in each world, you're you know, you feel the pull that's bringing you into this newer, awakened sense of reality.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: What is there a story, an experience, or a peril of wisdom that you can offer to people who are in that place right now?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but maybe this one experience will help.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know if everyone's gonna get this quality of an experience where you really don't have a choice but to adjust your philosophical position um or beliefs.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: But I I had that, let's say, where I if it's like I didn't have a choice, it happened in front of me.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I've had I've had clients become psychic in nature in front of me, um, where they shouldn't have known things about me, um, but they did.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, someone that didn't even believe, I mean, so it's for example, one guy was uh he was Catholic, like a devout Catholic, um, and so he believed psychic phenomena was uh demonic stuff.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and but when he dropped in, so this is the this is what they call the the cosmic joke.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: When he dropped into hypnosis, which is he really was just there for PTSD, I was helping him for P PTSD, he was diagnosed.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um he dropped in so deep, and he was a great subject, and he really trusted me.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so I realized this guy has a wealth of depth and can access uh far beyond the physical.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, when he tapped really, he could see things, he could see spirits like immediately.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: So when you associate mediums, he's like his first time really going deep, let's say through the veil, he saw lots of beings, lots of spirits, or he said people that are right there trying to talk to him.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: And he found it a bit scary, and he sh he had to sort of come back and ask me, like, Boris, what the hell is that?
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: I I could see people looking at me and they saw me, and it's like they're trying to tell me things, and he's asking for my guidance.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I just said, Look, all you need to know is that you're safe, like right now.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: We don't need to label it as anything because if he goes into religious frameworks, he's gonna judge that before he connects with it.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: All I'm saying is that okay, forget even that it's demons, you believe it.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, just forget everything, pay attention to what's unfolding.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm with you, you are safe.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's the truth, you are safe, right?
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: And in that feeling, he has a bit of patience and presence to be with what's unfolding.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: And he realizes there's people telling him things and telling him things, and it only became, let's say, significant for this, where we we started to change our beliefs because there was someone at his workplace who had committed suicide um quite recently at the time of that session.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't even know the person very well, he just knew he'd seen them around the workplace, large workplace.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: It was at a hospital, and so um he'd he'd seen this guy around, he knew where he was.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: So when it happened, it was a big shock to the hospital that it happened.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: But he saw this guy in vision and he came forward and he's like saying, Hey, look, I did it because you know I sort of was looking for my parents, and I, you know, I couldn't find them, and then I found them, and turns out this was my real story.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I was adopted, and I just couldn't deal with that.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: I was adopted, and the way things happened, I was lied to as a child, and um, this is what happened.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is my real name.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: I found out, and and so he's talking to this spirit, and he then he's he's telling me in real time what this guy is saying, and so I he we just got a whole bunch of information about this person, and he said, What do I do with all this stuff?
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Look, this is your choice, man.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like it hold it with wisdom, hold it with uh ethics, hold it with a grain of salt.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, But if you seek to validate or invalidate, you could go and check if you believe there's a place you can just go and check.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so he went and uh brought forward the story to his colleagues about the nature of what he learnt about this person, and some of the closest friends of this guy validated, yeah, that he was um, yeah, he was searching for his parents, and that was a big issue in his life at the time, and he had no idea about any of that stuff.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so he started realizing I'm seeing dead people, Boris, and I'm a bit scared.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just stayed with him, knowing that if it's opened and it happened effortlessly, don't run away from it, just stay with it.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: We don't need to judge it because he was like in battle with his own religious frameworks, it was the only issue.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I started learning wisdom is to start to let the labels become malleable, don't get attached to that because it comes with uh stories.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: So just be with it and just see what it means for this person, and so yeah, he started staying with it, knowing that it had value in his own life because he could see.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, third eye opening is just clarity to see beyond the veil, so he could see things beyond his own lies.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: The val the veil is the lie, or the illusion as well, or the physical uh supremacy.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: So he could let the physical realm or his, you know, the stories, the social stories that cloud the egoic mind start to become malleable, so less attachment to his own identity.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so he he grew so fast, PTSD was gone, he had agrophobia as well.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he couldn't leave the household, he couldn't catch public transport, this guy couldn't do anything for himself at the age of 30 years old.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and yeah, within a year of dropping in and out of hypnotic states, this guy is fully self-sufficient and working in a whole new industry and fully, fully capable because he just honored that I'm not gonna judge myself in any way, but be with it.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so he learned rules about being in that state, and so it's like just adapting a sense that I said it doesn't need the public to know about it.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: You don't need to sell it for validation because that's when it becomes uh a bit contentious, and you'll start uh doubting your own connection.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: This is where spirituality is yours and yours alone, like it can't be contaminated by other people's opinions unless you really trust them.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: And you're not looking for an echo chamber, but you have to understand the uniqueness of your connection.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so yeah, that was just where we learned that this guy's gifted and he started telling me things about my own family.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, hey man, we're not here for my sort of psychic reading here.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, he was he he knew my grandfather's name like that immediately.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, just said it like, yeah, your grandfather's here, and I said, Oh, uh, okay.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Yeah, he's goosebumps.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's saying, he's saying his name is this.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, yep, that's my grandfather's name.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so he started explaining some certain things.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: He was looking into my whole family.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: I felt a bit exposed.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Yeah, your auntie's here.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's something going on with your aunties.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, there's infidelity going on here.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Okay, and I said, Okay, man, all right, all right, that's enough.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: Enough.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: Stop right there.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I just I had I realized the case.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: So as we expand our consciousness, if we see growth, that means the uh the illusions will start to become malleable, the barriers that you protect your innocence and the stories and the identity that you that you withhold versus what the world can see starts to become malleable.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to be okay with that.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: And to your point, um, Diane, is that well, to those that are rigidly holding on to things, just know that it's a blanket.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a it's a blanket of safety, the same way you would attribute to a to a baby a transitional blanket.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: We do it because it's something stable.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so I honor it because it's safe and we can build something from it.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: If you agree that it's this, you agree that it's this.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know that if we're going to create a system or a some therapeutic modality with more spiritual updated um philosophy, we're gonna have to have agreed language here on what something is and isn't.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, it's so uh unique, the spiritual experience, but we have to build something.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so I get the need for language, but when it comes to the quality and the essence of truth seeking in your own soul, the the names, the positions, the all that, those frameworks start to become less relevant, is the truth.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's no different to saying, okay, virtue, um, the message that servitude is good for the soul to live in virtue, to live in servitude, one of the one of the virtues.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter, you read the Quran or you would read the Bible, you would see the same message that that servitude is the way to give is to receive.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: And but you see how in the world we will fight because of the messenger, right?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: This person said, or this person.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: So we're fighting over the even within Islam, there is battles between who is the messenger, who is the the prophet, who is the one to take over, Ali, Muhammad.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's all these different messengers that a the preferred, but it's like that's that's problematic.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: So we don't need to get on, we don't need to do that or join that battle, the gospel according to the peer-reviewed study.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's a time and a place for it, but it's like you have to realize that there is a common theme, and it's very basic, it's very simple, it does need overcomplication.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's only when we stick to the labels it becomes complicated.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: I know that you mentioned on on this topic messengers and you know what we think of based on our own beliefs and how we've grown up.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I uh saw a video of you sharing the story about you receiving a message from an archangel.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: And again, everyone has a different thought when of who an archangel is.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_02: And could you tell us though about that message and how that impacted your life?
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that was connecting to remember I said in the very first session the name Ezekiel came up from Kleinhaid.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even know who or what that was.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: It was like you just said that this person watches over you.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Two years later, a breathwork instructor comes along and is like, I heard about what you do, just want to do a session.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, this would be cool.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: I've never done a, let's say, physically optimized person in breath work in hypnosis.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: This, and I have all these spiritual things happening.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: My assumption or hypothesis is that maybe they should be able to achieve something that others don't.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so I just found it interesting anyway.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I was excited to facilitate or hypnotize this um this breathwork instructor.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, he sort of goes through this past life.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Again, I'm not even directing to past life, it somehow just happens.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so he sees himself in the womb with uh with the uh umbilical cord wrapped around his neck, and he finds himself choking and suffocating to death in his mother's womb.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so he experiences a death and he dies.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, what's interesting is that this life is about breath work, breathing, and you have this theme of being asphyxiated.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I oh I see common themes all the time.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's how that's how it works.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's like that.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, he's he's here to breathe for the times that he couldn't, put it that way.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, um, yeah, yeah.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: So he yeah, that's how it works.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I could there's heaps of stories like that, so it's very normal now.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: But um, when he dies, so this is the best part when you get someone lucky enough, it's interesting paradox, lucky enough to die or experience a death in another lifetime to rehypnosis.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: What that does, it dissolves the ego to another level, right?
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it allows another layer of submission because on that transition, I'm not even telling them what to do, I'm not asking nothing.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: There's this natural order that brings upon this light, or if it's a if it's too much fear and trauma, there's no light, and it's like this sort of hazy stagnation zone.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: But on average, there's this light, and they always have their own direction, and I just step out of the way and I'm curious.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so he passes through this light.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: And what you'll notice on average is people will feel love.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: They always get this feeling of an unconditional love, an acceptance, and an understanding, almost with a smile, like, hey, well done on that game of earth, you know.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: You really took that seriously, you know.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you really believed it all, and you get this perspective without any shaping or priming.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: There's this constant theme of like this recognition that, wow, I really took that life seriously.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: That was very real and visceral.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I've learnt this, I've learned that, and turns out, wow, okay, no, this was my lesson, and I kind of knew I was there for it.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it's this happens by itself.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: But if you can hold someone there long enough, you can go another layer from there.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so, depending on what I guess the body's optimized for, it allows different levels of love or frequency into their embodiment, and so he starts to experience light.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's explaining a tremendous amount of light, blinding.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like he said, it's you could see him squinting behind his eyelids, and um, it's like some people have said it hurts, like it's like they almost say that I can't look at it, it's it's so bright, and um all of a sudden his voice changes and says, Hi, very, very calm and deeper.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: And he's I said, Hi.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Oh, here we go, another possession or something like that's going on.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then he's like, he goes, You don't recognize me, do you?
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I said, no.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Who are you?
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Ezekiel.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Oh, like the one from the Hebrew Bible, and uh he's like, No, I cannot be written about.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay, this sounds in my eyes, this sounds ominous.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Which one would you be?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Then he says, uh, you humans would refer to me as an archangel Ezekiel.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I in my mind, I'm thinking, I've never heard of that.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so I okay, I'll go with it, but I've never heard of that.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I've heard of Michael and Gabriel sort of thing, and Raphael, and so that was it.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then so he said, I said, Okay, all right.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: He says, I have a message for you, and I don't have long.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Okay.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Your thirst for knowledge will consume you.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Be still, it's already written in your DNA, you already know what to do.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I just sat there, uh I just sat there, and it's like some part of me already knew.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I separated myself in a second from this earth, and I'm like, Yeah, man, I know.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I it's like, yeah, I feel I felt super called out the same way it happened on a DMT experience a few years prior to that, before this even happened.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: This was like my first ever experience where some one entity, very large and all-knowing presence, was right there in front of me.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it was like, What are you doing here?
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Just came forward and was like, What are you doing?
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: And because I'm like trying to take a psychedelic and like what's on the other side, yes.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I felt called out like a child, and he's like, What are you doing?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, sorry.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I knew straight away that I was mucking around, and he's like, You already know where you are, you've been here before.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: Get on with it, and I'm like, Yeah, I said, like, yeah, I'm sorry.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: Immediately, everything in me just calmed down, and I knew exactly what he was talking about.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: That was my DMT experience years prior.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: This felt exactly the same as that.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, hey, Boris, what are you doing, man?
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, get on with it.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: What are you doing, man?
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know what you're doing, you know who you are, get on with it.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it's the same as my mushroom journey.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same figure comes through every time.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it's popped through my clients.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so he gave me this message, and I just said, Okay, I said, All right, thank you.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, While you're here, I said, are my paths?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I've been contemplating going down the psychology pathway of flying, fly out, and helping that industry, or the spiritual pathway that this seems to be unfolding.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, can you help me out?
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, which way do I go?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: And he, of course, so proverbially and non-specific.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Your path is not divided, your path is one.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's his answer.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it's only years later, it's years later that yes, now I'm working with mining companies, like corporate heads and spirituality at the same time, and it's all connected to one thing.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's just this thing knew me.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then it just goes, I must go, your client's heart.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, okay, thanks for coming.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: And my client just he's lying down on the couch, his eyes ping open, and he sits up and he looks around and he looks so confused.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: This is a common face that I see.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: People are just so flabbergasted with what what that was.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: They're venture.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, Hey, sorry, the language of Boris, what the fuck was that?
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: And and I was like, I'm not inserting anything yet, I'm just checking what he knows or remembers.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I don't know, man.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: I said, How do you feel?
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, Who's Archangel Ezekiel?
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Have you heard of that name?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: He says, No, I've never heard of an Archangel Ezekiel.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he said, I felt like my heart was beating a thousand beats a minute, like I was gonna die almost, like my body was just vibrating, and yeah, and so I don't know.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: This we both googled um Archangel Ezekiel, and you know, straight to Google, yes, yeah.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_03: Me and him both were like, what can you do?
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so we just found some pages where it was like Archangel is it it's Ezekiel is the brother of Michael in those texts, and uh he comes or watches over those that are facilitating or helping or guiding others on their spiritual pathway.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so here I was, um, yeah, I guess in one of those people that ticked that box.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't see it as a person or a personified being watching over.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's this it's this channel that you can tune into, depending on what you're optimized for in this world.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: You'll just tune in.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: You you your antennas are like more or less 92.9, 99.3, or something like that, you know.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so you have your optimized guides at certain different frequencies.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not about comparison, it's just like listening to your body, and I kept denying mine.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, even though I'm getting these messages, I'm like, yeah, nice one.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't matter how profound the session was.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: I had this doubt and skepticism constantly until yeah, I just kept getting punched in the face saying, Boris, yeah.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and then another time it's like, yeah, another time was like, this is after months of just rejecting more stuff, and they're like, um, they telling me, Boris, they're telling me that they keep coming through your clients because you're not listening.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, that's it.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: I took my wife at the time, wife at the time, sorry, my wife and to a psychic.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: The psychic came out to the comfort part because I didn't believe in the psychic stuff at the time.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: She came out and she wanted to meet me, and she's like, uh, she looked at my forehead and she goes, uh, you've got the marking right here.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I just started rubbing my forehead, thinking, Oh, I've got some shit on my forehead.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh she's like, No, you've been given permission to look in people's past lives.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, okay, yep.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I I have to say, I have to confess right now that I feel like I have been getting a message through the story that you've just told.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because past life regression that I have gone through, the core message was just be.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: And in that moment, uh, the knowing that I experienced the understanding that I had to just be and the odds that it was at with what my life was at, and it keeps coming up in meditation recently.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: Your experience sounds very similar.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: And what I'm what I'm interested to know is in that moment, you got it, you understood it, you believed the message, but then you go back to the normal world, and it's like they keep having to come back.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: They keep how has how is that for you now?
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, at what point do you get to the, you know, um I I've forgotten how you termed it, but that kind of thirst for knowledge that you're doing, doing, doing, or you're intellectualizing, you're gathering information rather than just you know, following.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Following the path of oneness that you're on.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: What does that feel like for you today?
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: What have you learned about yourself?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: And again, is there anything that you can share that may be helpful for others?
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um yes.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: So right now, the task for humanity, which keeps coming through, is what you said about being.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: But what do you mean being?
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Be just be just be.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: So in a world that's speeding up, fast pace, distractions, cheap entertainment, infinite opportunities to do it.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's noisy, noisy, noisy, noisy.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like the task is to balance that with stillness.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like have a practice.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: More than ever is it necessary to sit in the calmness of your own vessel long enough to find that peace.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Just feel it, to connect with it, let the monkey mind go nuts for a while, you know, but find a way to just be in your own body without any kind of stimulation needing to make anything happen.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you stay with that long enough, there is a wisdom that's found there.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that's needed at the moment more than anything else.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because in that quietness is where you find your answers.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: The trick or the illusion that it is everywhere else, you just need that one more book, you just need that one more course or another therapy session.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, Boris, I just need to understand or know this.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, the truth is it's not a matter of you knowing something more, it's a matter of courage on acting out what you already know to be true.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's facing the thing that you know you need to get on with.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: Be with your body long enough.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so we avoid that because there's a part of us that knows that if we were to really listen and like be honest, like a brutal kind of honesty with ourselves, it means that you probably have to do or say something that you've been avoiding.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: It comes with exposure, vulnerability, commitment, no turning back, alienation from your peers, something which is disruptive to your identity that you've held on to.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: It comes with the unpredictability of the next sort of step.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so we do run back to the pretending of not knowing so much.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so we bury ourselves in knowledge and knowledge.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_00: How many more uh awesome quotes do you have to flick past on Instagram to really just realize it's the same thing that you but you get addicted to just the ah ah, that's awesome, ah, that's awesome.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Eventually you start to see that you you're just I don't know how to word this, but it's like you're dishonoring the thing that you already know to be true by pretending it doesn't exist, so you can be wowed by its revelation again.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, at what point do we just get on with it?
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: How you have articulated that it is the wow factor of oh, I've remembered again, again, again.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: And is that head, the kind of dopamine head that goes with that that makes you think rather than actually embodying, and if I embody it, then what am I actually going to do with this?
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how does that show up in the real world?
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: And like, we're all about that kind of how do you balance the spiritual and all the and even the intellectualizing with okay, how do I bring this into this 3D body and this life experience that I'm going through at the moment?
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: So three years ago I decided I'm not gonna read another book.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um I will at some point, but I haven't read a book in three years.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it was because of that messaging that like it's already written in your DNA.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it doesn't mean that I'm not here to learn something, um, but I've spent enough time learning about how to exist, learning about the social world, social structures, how to play the game in a social world.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: We've all done that.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: We're at an age now where we know how to play the game.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like it's not found there anymore.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's not more knowledge that you need.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's something about now, it's about a courage to have a relationship with your inner wisdom that doesn't get the safety of social validation.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: You have to act upon something that only you know to be true and worthy, and you don't get this big grandiose clap for doing it.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: Only you know you've done something right and meaningful in the quietness of your own room.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but that's that's the pathway.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so I decided to simplify everything, uh choosing certain things that I knew um are the right way to be in this world, and rather than learning something and skimming past it, I'm gonna see if I can embody this for a year.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I chose a word for the year, is how I would start my year, and I would just see if I could act that out today.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_00: So the first year I did this, you know, was three years ago, and it was the word courage.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I just said I'm gonna see if I can act out courage, and it's so hard.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's so hard.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so you it's just like I'm gonna see if I can just master that virtue, and then another one after.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: And this year was more faith.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: What's it like to have faith?
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_00: And you realize, okay, you realize how little you have faith in every part of your life because we're so nervous about needing to know the outcomes of something before acting on something.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but you have enough sensibility to know you don't need to know that answer.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's more about an egoic fear to control the outcomes because it makes you nervous about self- about rejection or failure, something on the other side of that.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: So we don't choose, we don't decide, we sit in the stagnation and then distraction.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but so now faith is for me where I'm just it's not a religious indoctrination or practice, it's more like a faith that I know that I if I just participate with virtue the best I can, with the limited knowledge that I have, just act out.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: I have to have faith that whatever is meant to happen will happen.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: And even though it looks really ugly and difficult sometimes, I have to know that everything is in order as it's meant to be, but not to be naive and check out like a spiritual bypassing, but be with it and have faith.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it keeps me participating in the world and not rejecting my, let's say, calling responsibilities.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it needs faith.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's no no more knowledge, just keep it simple.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I feel like we've not even scratched the in this conversation.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: So Boris, grab out your calendar, we'll lock in that next day.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I'm happy to.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow, thank you.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I know for everyone listening, um that you have a wealth of knowledge.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna put all of your information in the show notes.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I believe you have some absolutely beautiful soundscapes with some stories and meditations as well that you offer.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to tell us quickly about those?
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for asking.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I think after the sessions that I do with people, because I don't do ongoing sessions anymore in psychotherapeutic capacities, they're usually one-offs or two sessions to check in ethically if they're okay, but we don't have they don't have access to me ongoing anymore.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: So as a way to sort of, they just usually ask, is there a recording?
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: They always ask, is there a recording somewhere?
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: So what I've done is I've got in a studio and just recorded um some guided meditations, uh, some stories.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I've just read short stories that have like like the alchemist, sort of spiritual meanings to them.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and uh yeah, and I've partnered up with Craig Young, who is he's the composer for Dr.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: Joe Dispenser's meditations, and he heard my voice on a uh a public world meditation um during the solstice and he loved my voice.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: He said it done something to him.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: So he contacted me and said, Let's do something together.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: So we're working together.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: I create this the vocals in a studio in Perth.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: I send them to Craig, he creates the sound around it.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: We're not using AI.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, only if to take out background noise of my voice, we'll use now AI, but he prefers and I so we need to honor that there is something divine that comes through a human.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: So we need to maintain a human creative part where he adapts things and feels my voice and creates sound around it.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_00: So you're taken on a journey, um, simply just listening to a story.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: So there's different categories that'll be like this immersive experience.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: We call it the spiritual sanctuary, where you go into it, it's like going to be a monthly subscription, but you have a story section, you know.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you want to fall asleep to stories read by me, or you want to drive your car, listen to something profound, but it's in metaphor, you know, through that story.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: Or you want to listen to sacred texts for a meditation.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I have a section, I'm just reading powerful paragraph of a sacred text, and then giving my little uh two cents on it, and then allowing music to just take you on a seven-minute meditation.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna create different types of experiences, immersive experience to get people to simply to slow down, drop in, and they can have access to my voice ongoingly.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but that'll be on my website soon, I think in the next couple weeks, um, Boris Walter.com, under the spiritual sanctuary.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll get there soon.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, definitely we'll be sharing that as well.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Boris.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_02: So keep doing all of this amazing work in the world.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: Super interesting, yeah.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll definitely uh yeah, get you back at some point, hopefully.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: But thank you so much for your time today and for everyone listening.
• 53:00
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• 53:04
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• 53:06
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• 53:10
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• 53:14
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• 53:15
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