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Talks to Matt Michael about his choice of Silver Nemesis (3/3) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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None hamster with a blunt.
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Pen knife for doing. Quicker, quicker, quicker.
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Welcome back to a hamster. With a blunt pen knife.
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The Doctor Who Commentary Podcast Matt.
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I Am Beautiful, Am I not? Oh yeah, you gorgeous love.
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You liar. Especially when you're all
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fapped up, what does that mean? You got a really bright light
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shining off right on you. What does fapped up mean?
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Front axial projection. Oh, you know, it's just like
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when you were talking about Ansar throughout time in Iran.
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You had no clue. What you're going on?
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About till I read the novel. Oh, I mean, why as well I could.
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Be happy with the best of them. I am retribution.
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I'm your retribution. Don't you fucking forget it.
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All right? That sounds like a Eurovision
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lyric retribution. You were what?
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Now I'm revolved. Now I'm transformed.
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You can. Have until differing announcing
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it. Oh my God.
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And can we have all the side men in the background as dancers
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with the bow? Oh Jesus Christ, it's too late
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to be doing this. We've both got mad.
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We are here to talk about Silver Nemesis episode 3.
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How's it going so far? Loving it.
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Brilliant Death is about a door death.
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Is about a door. Could you do me a very small
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favour then, before we go into Episode 3?
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And that is just to see if you've been paying attention and
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let the listeners know what has occurred in Sylvan Nemesis
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today. Off you go.
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So Sylvan Nemesis, to date The Doctor in 1638, battled Lady
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Painfoot for Control Validium, a living metal created by Rascal
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on Omega and other luminaries from Gallifrey's past.
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The Doctor sent the living metal into orbit, but also shaved off
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a couple of lumps, one of which made a bow, one of which made an
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arrow, because that made sure that Nemesis didn't have a
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sufficient critical mass to do whatever Validium does when it's
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all critically masked and he sent it off in a comet.
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It's been whizzing around, coming back to Earth every 25
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years in a decaying orbit, and it's going to lack.
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Well, it has landed in Windsor in 1988.
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Lady Paine Thoughts found that out through magic because
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apparently that's real now and has travelled forward in time
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with Herman Servant Richard and the Arrow of Nemesis, which was
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the one bit of an idiom that she had managed to obtain
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independently. Neo Nazi de Flores who Pines for
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Hitler has come over to Windsor from South America as you do
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with a fearsome band of about 6 mercenaries and the Nemesis bow
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the the third element required to create the critical mass of
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validium. Also to seek the statue because
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he believes it will enable him to re establish the Third Reich
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under his Nazi command. And then the third Force.
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The Cybermen have a master fleet in orbit that was invisible but
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has now been made uninvisible somehow with a what a high fi.
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And they also want Nemesis for presumably nefarious reasons of
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their own. And the Doctor and Ace are sort
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of wandering around in the background trying to understand
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what these three different parties are are trying to do,
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trying not to get killed, and basically waiting for the moment
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when they're going to presumably do something to stop this
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tragedy from occurring. So it's a great, it's a great
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drama. Honestly, you make that sound
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fucking gripping. It's not.
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It's not quite what Chris Clough brought to the screen.
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It sounds like the greatest Doctor Who story of all time.
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Oh wait, it is. It is.
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Is this the greatest Doctor Who story of all time leader?
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It is We ride to Destiny. Maths We surely do, honey.
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We. Surely do.
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Oh my God, we've got that. I'll tell you what, When we hit
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that sequence, right? Can we just quote every line?
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Everyone's a gem. I don't care if anyone says it
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was cynical casting bringing in Dolores Gray.
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She did steal my cook. There was a Dorothea.
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She died in 16. There's a snow poison.
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This is unbelievable riding around and I'll find someone
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who's researched my family. Tree.
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It's all done in the best possible taste.
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I've got a bit of a look. Of Kenny Everett About me
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actually definitely definitely definitely that that's the next
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cabaret sketch when BFI surely show Silver Nemesis for season
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25 release. We'll do we'll.
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Be on the stage, That scene I'll do Lady Paine for and you can be
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It can be Mrs. Remington in full.
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Kenny Everett with the legs. As long as I can have the favour
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Bower on my legs. Well, you usually do, so I don't
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see why you. It's true.
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Why change your habit of a lifetime?
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Well, let's let's go and see the 2 greatest female characters
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coming together. It's Silver Nemesis Part 3 in.
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321 Let's go. Yeah, some would say Missus
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Remington isn't essential to the plot.
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You could have shaved her out. You could have shaved a lot out
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of the. Story.
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And the plot would still work. They're Remington and.
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The trouble is, I wouldn't want to lose the Queen or the
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skinheads or this is Remington, that that's the problem.
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It's like if you take any of those elements out, none of them
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are essential, but they're kind of, they're kind of are to make
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it what it is. If the idea of Doctor Who is to
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entertain, yeah, yeah, then it's this peak Dr. Who?
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Oh God, yeah. But absolutely.
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This is exactly what I want from Doctor Who.
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It is funny. It's charming.
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It's just got loads of stuff happening.
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The plot kind of makes sense. It's got a likeable Dr. and
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companion with some depths. You know, we haven't really done
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that before, have we? With layers.
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Oh, it comes that lizard. No, I'm a bit ahead of you.
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Hang on. Let me go back 10 seconds.
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Here we go. They were shrouded.
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Arundel's obviously very famous for his lizards.
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I've heard that, yeah, I've encountered a lizard or two in
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Arundel. The Doctor knows what he's doing
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with those knobs. Doesn't.
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He You've accounted a knob or two in Arundel.
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Look at those ships. Look.
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They look like a bunch of egg boxes with lights.
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The greatest cyber. Army ever amassed?
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Yeah, they're not quite. They're not quite the Dalek
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ships, are they? But.
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Dalek ship that comes into shot in the pre title sequence of
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Remembrance of the Daleks. I love that bit.
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Amazing. It was like when.
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We were like, what happened between seasons?
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How have we? Gone from that to this.
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How have we gone from Goodnight Teddy to?
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Our most basic promised land that.
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Yet you risk your life to save me.
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Why? I do not live in the world of
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what should it's. It's such a shame because
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clearly there was a there was a possibility here that this could
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have been a whole new, a whole new life for Lady Payne.
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For she could have settled down with all semi with Richard on
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the outskirts of Windsor. She could have opened her own
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tea room, the Lady Payne for tea room.
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She could have forgotten plans of universal conquest and
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revealing the secrets of the old times.
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And she could have had a very happy life, I feel.
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He's a good man, you know, But but she is evil.
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She managed to make Evil have about 10 syllables there.
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Did you know it's evil? Evil from the dawn of time.
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The beginning too fast is only gone.
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And evil that a space. The universe is torn.
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I'll come in with the lines. Now it's gone.
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Oh yeah, look at his headphones on in the background.
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Anton. Difference like what is going
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on, As long as long as they can pick up Wimbledon, I don't care.
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But like, we've missed out the whole reason why he's wearing
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those in this in this short Reddit, that blooming High 5
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looks like it weighs a ton, so he'll just probably like, got
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back ache from running around there.
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This whole sequence, right where they come in and he's like, you
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know, a legal move, but checkmate.
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I think it's one of the best ever. 7th and Ace scenes are one
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of the worst ever Cybermen scenes go.
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Figure it's like this, but I I do think in this scene the
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Cyberman just looked beautifully lit and dark, sort of shot from
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below and that sort of candlelight picking out the sort
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of silver details on their faces.
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It's really quite effective. But yeah, they are a bit
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rubbish. Ace replies by neatly castling
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with the bow. Give me the bow.
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Doctor supports combination Gabby.
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Take the ball from him. Kill him.
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Yeah, this is one really needed. When the boy gets to do tricks
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he's brilliant. Yes, it's It's just a shame that
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it was. It looked like it needed about
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three more goes at rehearsing it before they shot it but.
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That's most of the story. If I want, it's oh, here she is.
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This is really creepy. Do you not think this is like
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that? That face is just like.
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Yeah. And kef KEF music rises.
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Up now it's like, oh, that's just eerie do.
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You think of Kef's music? It's I I yeah.
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You summed it up with one word there.
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Yeah. It's not.
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It's not. It's it's hard because I don't
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think it's objectively very good, but I really struggle to
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think how I really struggle to imagine these stories without
12:31
it. They're so they're so integral
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to like the style of them that is kind of.
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Do you know what we're so used to hearing like this?
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This music from when we were children?
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Yeah. I'm not sure you can be
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objective about it anymore, no. And I know that.
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I know that objectively, the Sylvester McCoy title music
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isn't as good as the Peter Howell version, but I still love
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that kind of. And I love the middle 8 being in
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the in the opening as well. That's such a half hearted game.
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Yeah, have some gold dust. Oh, you bitch this.
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Relationship is over, no more. Gliding around you can.
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Oh my God. When I.
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Do when they say split up, imagine it'd be so fucking catty
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they'll have warring TikTok accounts.
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Will. They showing that he's the
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camper. No, he's the camper.
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Why have we popped back to Lady Painful Study again?
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This is this is a bit weird. This is the Doctor playing
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chess, presumably with Fenrik in the background as well because
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someone's like moving the chess pieces while he's in the future.
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What's really going Doctor? She's got flower child's earring
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on a jacket there. Before meeting her.
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That's amazing. Wimey I was OK, yeah.
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Andrew Carmel said something really interesting.
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I was listening to an interview with him earlier and he was
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saying about how it's so lazy to split up the Doctor and the
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Companion and just have two opposing Peril storylines, and
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it's so much more interesting to keep them together and build up
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that relationship. They really did that in this
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era, didn't they? They did.
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Look, I think there's something to be said for that.
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I mean, I think you'd probably want to do both, right?
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Because actually there's it's quite nice in how like when
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Russell does those stories where Rose infiltrates Torchwood, for
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example, and has to pretend to be the Doctor.
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It's quite nice. Sometimes when you separate
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them, I don't think it's quite as straightforward as like
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either or. But yeah, I, I it is nice that
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they get chance to have a relationship because quite
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often, quite often you don't, you didn't get that necessarily.
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I feel, I feel like in the 80s they're just caricatures.
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They're not really characters, are they?
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I think. I think the best, the best
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Doctor Who for me is the ones where the regulars feel like a
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real feel, like a real team and you really like them as a a
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pair. So I I really like, but I really
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like the 3rd Doctor and Sarah Jane.
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I think they're they're great. Together.
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Me too. Well, we get to happen, right?
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Don't worry, I get I I get the criticisms of season 11.
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But I just think, Kurt, we and Slayton are so good together
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that. In you go.
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And they really put a lot of effort into making that
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relationship work. So like in the Invasion of the
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Dinosaurs, the first episode of that, like the effort that
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they're putting, they're both putting into making it work.
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Oh, get over yourself. So it's season 11.
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Yes, it's the fag end of Pertwee, but he's still finding
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new things to do and like these two, finding new things to do.
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So this is all on. Oh, so I think that's really, I
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know it's like just a cheap effect and it's just like moving
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around. But I still think it's there's
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something really otherworldly about it.
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Ham time would have killed for an effect like that, yes.
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Oh, this? Is great, though now it's
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actually a person inside the costume, the way it just sort of
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leans over and goes, oh, thank you.
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Oh, here we go, right? Come on, you be.
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You be lady painful. I'll be Mrs. Remington.
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All right far. No, I just came over from
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London. Oh wait, you're busy.
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Actually, the traffic was pretty reasonable.
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I laughed about. Let's see, 40 minutes ago.
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Folks from the South are never in a hurry.
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As a matter of fact, I'm here on a visit, checking out my roots.
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Oh no, she doesn't say anything in this scene.
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I love Rich. Just having to make awkward
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conversation. I'm so sorry.
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You'll have sorry to say in the next bit through that scene,
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listeners. I was just like simpering madly.
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That's what I normally do to be honest.
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I could see your simpering face as well.
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You know it is only my present form.
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I have had others which would horrify you.
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Yeah, you like the truth, Love. The Merca.
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The Loch Ness Monster Crow. I am whatever I am made to be.
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Look at that expressions, plastic face.
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I think that's a good line, though.
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She called me Nemesis. So I'm retribution.
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That's a good sign. Oh, here we go.
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Well, my family came from around here.
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I traced them all the way back to the 1600s.
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All things will soon be mine. I.
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Guess they will, honey. Time, past, present, and future,
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power invincible. Oh God, like I wait for the days
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where it's my favorite. You did that whole thing.
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Oh man. When I was 8, this was the
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coolest thing ever. I'd taken them.
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I just, I think this is so this is just like really like again,
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it's not the best directed thing but it's got a bit of energy
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and. It's got some pace, doesn't it?
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Yeah, this is all under the Millennium Dome.
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Now destroy the human female. Find and destroy her, right?
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Go on, heavens. Virginia is heaven, if you ask
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me. My family owns a little lamb
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there. These two own a little lamb
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around here, too. The Remingtons of Remington
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Grange. And there's thieves and
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swindlers all. You study history.
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Dorothea Remington did bribe away my cook.
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Oh. Now let me see.
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Yes, there was a Dorothea. She died in 1620.
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One, There's a slow poison. This is unbelievable.
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Many found it so. Here I am driving around and
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I'll pick up someone who's. Researched my family tree.
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We ride to Destiny. We surely do, honey.
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We surely do. Fuck.
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Cut last suede of the plot to fit the running time.
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But they've kept all this if. The BFI don't hire us to do that
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now after this goes out. Well, they're mad.
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Oh Jesus, I feel like they. That's of some sort of peace
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laden garage in Brighton. She's running through there,
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Piss maiden. It's laden, given a couple of
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such jobs in garages, you know, Thought that was your thought.
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That was your online name. Piss maiden.
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Don't let me off, all right? Have a swig piss.
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Maiden. Actually, do you know I once had
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a one night stand with no. I'll tell you later, all right.
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And. That cyber man coming up the
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stairs is really blooming stairs.
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Brilliant. And the whole bit up on the
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gantry where the cameras sort of going is weird around her.
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Unfortunately, he does bump into the gantry at one point.
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Plumbing to his death. But yeah, apart from that, it
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was in the service of Doctor Who, you know.
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Yeah, look, look at all this. She's up here.
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I just think that's a a creepy, nice, creepy location.
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You know, not for us. The Overlits Flats of Sea Base
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4. No, this is what Sea Base Four
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should have looked like. Exactly.
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Imagine the MERCA shuffling down there.
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Even paint smears all over the place.
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I love, I don't know why I love shots of the tardish from above
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like that. Yes, you don't get them very
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often and. Look at the look at the shadow
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on her face as well. We detected only one piece of
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gold, correct? So he'll be next and he'll be
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lucky. Sorry, we're just quoting.
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The whole thing. Now let's face it guys.
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You're not here for the Coventry.
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You're here for the quotes for this one.
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And watch the way he wants. He literally plummets down and
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explodes on the floor. That does look a bit like that
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Cyberman in Tomb With a Cyberman, though.
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Oh, this side man is so. Fucking stupid now he literally
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says to him. Wow, you know I'd arranged for
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it to take off at a pre arranged time.
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By the way, Ace, what is the time he's given him two fucking
21:58
warnings and he still steps in front of the flames.
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Oh, never. Without further One and Joe, you
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sound like Hamish Wilson. Oh, here we go.
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Oh, that's right, we're going to be doing the double bluff,
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aren't we? The Remembrance of the Daleks
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Bluff. Oh, I love this.
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You will need me in the future then.
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I hope not, no. Of this I will have my freedom,
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not. Yet yet.
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I told you when? Oh, things are still perfect.
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Perfect. So that's oh, what a line.
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That sprung another 15 new adventures.
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Into. That's such a line, isn't it?
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That's lovely. Oh, I love this.
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The way Lady pay for it just starts ranting her way into the
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silo, didn't she? All things will be mine, yes.
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Mrs. Remington's just like, pulled up outside.
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I reckon she's still outside in the limo, waiting for her to
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come back. They.
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Cut the seat. Why's she gone in there?
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Why's she gone in there? Dirty old warehouse.
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Thank God I was. Doing her quotes and not you,
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Jason, and beat the Deep South. She says in the South.
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You never rush. In we shall do.
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Honey, we shall do declare Miss Scarlett.
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But don't you remember in this extended version, there's a shot
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of her outside the limo with her binoculars and she sees the
23:28
nemesis. Go up into the sky and she goes,
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oh oh, it was. Worthless, once that lovely lady
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doing inside that. No, the Old Warehouse.
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Go take a look, do. You think they could have done a
23:48
sitcom Painful and Remington. I I can't imagine why they
23:53
didn't fuck Jago and Lightfoot. That should have been the big
23:56
finish off Painful and Remington volume 13 with Colin Baker as
24:09
the 6th Doctor. Louise Jameson as Leila Oh.
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I've lost you. Hello.
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I don't know what happened there.
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Big big finish. Like pulled the thing.
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Look where? Where am I?
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Briggs is like, I'm sick of that fucking J4, Matt.
24:55
Michael taking the piss out of me mean?
25:00
All the time. Do you know you hurt my
25:04
feelings? I'm at 70 put.
25:07
My heart and soul into no, he never did, not once.
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All right. Yes.
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He got a heart, or so he not returned to tell us.
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I bet 1705 I paused it there. OK.
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It's the Doctor, Ace and DE Flores.
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He's holding the bow. I am going to let me just rewind
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it to that pause mid laugh. It was great.
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Freeze. Right.
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I'm, I'm, I'm ready. OK, 543.
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Well, Remington and painful coming to ITVX soon.
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We love stories. We surely do.
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We ride Destiny. Oh, here she comes.
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Look. All power, time, space, the
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world. She's just lost all semblance of
26:08
sanity now, hasn't she? She she's gone absolutely nuts.
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It's kind of it's kind of like, why, why has she gone so mad?
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There's no. I think that that's a flaw in
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the script is that there's no single moment that sends her
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nuts, unless it is like seeing her grave and realising her
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immortality, but. You think that's the one floor
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in this script? Single the sole floor in this.
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He has but a porn in a game of my own making.
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I love the way that a sport are your bag.
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Listen to me, your old bag. I swear I was using aces insults
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throughout my entire You may have chauvinist Bill.
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Have you? Never wondered where he came
26:53
from. Who is he?
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Nobody knows. The Doctor is.
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Except me. Look at look at his face.
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I wanted to just turn around and go, Oh, he's God, isn't he?
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JM TS like you can't slap you shaved your.
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Fucking old bits. And I love the fact that Time
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Man just goes the secrets of the time Laws mean nothing to us.
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Except in every other story, But not this one.
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I I love. I love that the sight of the
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cyber man and the doctor are just standing there going, Phew,
27:40
what a loony. While she's they're both, like,
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united in like, oh, she's nuts, isn't she?
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This lady. Lady Fruitcake.
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I love this, but I. Love that.
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Tell them I love that. I love that.
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Like, tell them. See if I can.
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She's doing it. She's doing the Russell Davis
27:59
thing. The old time, the time of chaos.
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It's enough. It's enough.
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That's all you need. We don't.
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Need Cat's Cradle times Crucible to explain to us what the old
28:10
time and the time of Chaos was. This is the bit that drives it
28:14
nuts. Thank you for coming to the 20th
28:16
century. And bring me the arrow.
28:20
And she goes what? I'm surprised the cyber leader
28:31
is as easily. Duped as he is.
28:35
He. Yeah, he's.
28:38
Do you understand the cyber leaders instructions?
28:45
OK, sophildre trying to give all this madness and wedding do it
28:50
doctor. Don't surrender.
28:52
And then they're like, pull out this, this, this new Mondas
28:55
thing here it's like, what the fuck?
28:56
Where did all this come from? The the Cybermen are just sort
29:00
of in this, aren't they? They don't really.
29:02
There's no, not really any place for them.
29:04
It would be much. Hey, we're going to build the
29:06
new Mondas. They're always trying to build
29:10
the new Mondas. Honest to God, this reminds me
29:14
of that book, The Gallifrey Chronicles.
29:15
We're going to build the new Gallifrey just in time for Rusty
29:19
Davis to blow it up again. Oh, there she goes.
29:22
She's lying in with the statue. I mean, there's only one way She
29:24
was never going to go. It was like Soul Deed screaming
29:27
her head off. Oh, she's been absorbed.
29:31
And then the music now goes, She's fucking up now I.
29:35
Mean look. At this fucking dirigible going?
29:40
Out, a lot of Harry sort of wobbles around.
29:45
It goes. Mrs. Remington's like opera
29:49
glasses. I never do declare.
29:56
It's the most exciting thing I've ever seen.
30:01
Dolores close go. Where's my fucking jewels?
30:03
I've left them on the side of the road.
30:07
Oh my God. Jewels around JM two you got you
30:12
got soon coming, all right. They're still there, I bet,
30:18
Yeah. I bet.
30:18
JT was sweating, though, when that car was going back.
30:21
God yeah, you. Think it was done better in
30:25
Resent Remembrance or Silver Nemesis?
30:27
Do you reckon he like pinched some of the jewels and replaced
30:30
them with paste, Had a little tiara?
30:34
He used to wear it around the house to do the do the washing
30:36
up. Oh my God, you can imagine that.
30:38
Can't you wear a pair of rubber gloves on?
30:43
I have a southern bill. I do declare and Gary downs like
30:46
yes, of course you are darling. Do you want to meet the two?
30:48
The dryer? I think you're one of our
30:50
numbers from Follies. There Garrett.
30:54
And then he puts the black glove on and just moves the Richard
30:57
Herndon figure into position. It's very hard to know because
31:00
Richard has been sort of suggested that he's a bit of a
31:03
fug and the. Doctor.
31:05
Just takes him back and goes there.
31:06
I'm with your life, young Richard.
31:08
Do you know? He he.
31:10
He. He's.
31:11
Fairly harmless. He hasn't actually killed
31:13
anyone. I'd be like the bit where it's
31:15
just to the to the two skinheads.
31:17
What is it? Money.
31:19
See you. They set the Nemesis off into
31:23
space to draw the serving so you can finish them off.
31:26
They suppose I did. How clever off me.
31:29
Just like you nailed the Daleks. Don't point out the fucking
31:32
plot's the same. That's the last.
31:37
Thing you should be doing just like we did three weeks ago you.
31:42
Haven't answered, Joe. We have none of this jizz where
31:46
of which you speak, Doctor. None of this jizz.
31:51
We have none of this jizz of what you speak, this man too.
31:55
Much fapping, yeah. That's.
32:02
Yeah, what? Who are you?
32:14
Oh, fuck me. That was glorious.
32:15
Oh my dear Joe, you have been naive.
32:20
So you escaped from Zarafast, did you?
32:23
Or was it Castro Valva. Or was it San?
32:30
There should have been a line in the news.
32:33
So you escaped from Auschwitz Russell to.
32:43
BBC Like, no, you can't say that.
32:54
Oh, we've been inappropriate in so many ways in this Coventry
32:57
and this. Don't get me cancelled.
32:58
Nothing will. Oh oh God, Oh my.
33:05
I'll just pick noise. Now look, everybody, I don't
33:15
wish to alarm you. There is some pretty weird shit
33:20
going on. No.
33:22
You and I. Oh, now, fucking puff, it's the
33:25
end of the day. It's 11:00, and we've got to
33:27
find three reasons, each just three reasons of the millions to
33:31
recommend silver nemesis. Wow I think the first one is
33:39
Lady Paine for just amazing just such a such a such a performance
33:49
you get the sense that Fiona Walker really enjoyed doing and
33:55
just brings the whole thing up a level because if if if it being
34:00
like. Anton and the Cyberman, It would
34:03
have been a bit. She really gives it what it
34:06
needs to to work as a story. It's like halls of nightmare
34:11
without sold deed. What would be the point they
34:18
they elevate it in? Not just campness, but
34:21
melodrama. You know everything.
34:23
Yeah. OK, well then my first thing is
34:26
going to be, because I'm say very mean things about I didn't
34:28
finish big, so I'm going to say. The Doctrine Ace or Sylvester
34:33
McCoy and Schofieldrid and they're beautifully natural
34:36
chemistry, which is instant. The 2nd letter together in
34:39
Dragon Fire is instant in a way that and I do like 7 and Mel,
34:44
but it's just different. It is.
34:47
It's natural. I I can't explain it.
34:49
It's like they've been friends for years.
34:51
Yeah, you're spot on and I think it just brings the story again.
34:57
It's like something that just brings it to life.
34:59
Like you can you can forgive season 17 a lot because the 4th
35:03
doctrine Romana just when they're whenever they're on
35:05
screen together, the chemistry and the the relationship just
35:10
brings it to life. And I think Sylvester and and
35:13
Sophie are the same. Yeah, we're back to you.
35:19
I think the second one is there's just a lot of stuff
35:23
going on, so it's never. It's never boring.
35:30
There's no sort of dull bits. It's not like obsessed with a
35:34
fairly plodding plot about rebels versus the government or
35:40
whatever. It's just stuff getting chucked
35:43
at you for basically 75 minutes. And some of it sticks, some of
35:48
it doesn't. But if you don't like a bit of
35:50
it, something different is going to come along in like a minute.
35:54
And it's just like stuff from left field, like the whole
35:57
Dorothy Remington. Like, where did that come from?
36:01
Bonkers. It's utterly bonkers pointing in
36:03
our security guards. You know all of this round us.
36:06
But you know what? There's so much fun and
36:08
enjoyment in here. This script would be
36:10
inconceivable in the Eric Sayward era, wouldn't it?
36:13
Oh God, yeah. It's just it's it's just fun
36:18
it's And that the older I get that's the more.
36:22
That I want from Doctor Who, I think when I was sort of 17 and
36:27
like was dissing the Five Doctors because it's just like
36:30
party pieces and it's not a serious story.
36:33
And surely Mortaring Undead and Terminus and much more.
36:40
Eyebrow. Much more, Yes.
36:42
Yeah, science fiction in them. And you just like I kind of look
36:45
back on that now, God. What was I thinking exactly?
36:53
OK, well then my second is going to be, oh, do you know what?
36:57
I've got to say it because it's just burned into my brain.
37:01
Kev Mccullough's music, I know it's terrible.
37:03
I know objectively it's terrible.
37:06
But I listened to these stories when I was young.
37:08
That music away got me going. It got me excited.
37:14
You know the bit where Ace is, the side man's firing at her in
37:17
the silo and she does the coin, the the scenes of the spaceship
37:22
going through the woods, all the music.
37:24
It's like it's disco music, but it's just driving a pace.
37:28
And I love it. I unapologetically love Get
37:32
Mccullough's Music Shoot Me. I think it's it's, yeah.
37:41
No, I I I said earlier on I think you can't this era, if you
37:47
took Caf's music out and you've got Mark Ayers to rescore the
37:50
whole thing, it will probably be technically better.
37:53
But you'd lose so much of what makes the era the era.
37:58
It'd be like removing all of that kind of electronic music
38:02
from the Sea Devils and the Silurian type.
38:06
Stuff you just, it's so. Because they took away Kev
38:10
Mcculloch's score of Sharda and Marquez did a score for the
38:14
latest version and it is a great score.
38:17
The Marquez one. I think it's a a beautiful
38:19
tribute to Dudley Simpson. I watched the mark the Kev
38:24
McCulloch one when I was younger, so I just feel like it
38:27
should be going da da da da da da even though I.
38:33
Know it's terrible music. Back to you.
38:39
I think the other, the other thing and again is it's a bit
38:42
like Keff's music. It's the effect.
38:45
I think the the one that really stands out for me is how eerie
38:50
the Nemesis is. There's loads of the type
38:54
Bertie, Bassett villains and there's like quite memorable
38:58
monsters. The Destroyers looks great.
39:00
They've got some neat prosthetics going on.
39:03
The cheater people at Fun but. There's something just very
39:07
spooky about the nemesis. Like both when it's like inside
39:11
the sort of cobwebs in the coffin and you see the shape
39:14
moving around, sort of blank plastic face looking like a lot
39:18
of 1970s companions do today. To be honest, with that sort of
39:22
blank expression as plastic face, you are such a bad man.
39:28
And and then when it's. It's sort of fully restored and
39:33
it just sort of rises up and it's just this glowing thing
39:37
that just sort of floats and the doctor going things are still
39:41
imperfect. It's just like it just has a
39:44
weirdness to it and a kind of you really believe that it is
39:48
otherworldly and that has secrets and it's even though you
39:54
don't actually see it do anything particularly amazing,
39:57
just the nature of of how it's presented is.
40:03
I think is really, really powerful.
40:06
My last one, then I'm going to say hints and Whispers, and it's
40:10
why I think Andrew Can't Melt. I can't believe I'm going to say
40:14
this. It's why I think Andrew Can't
40:17
Melt understands Doctor Who better than Steven Moffat and
40:20
Chris Chipnall. Because they just want to give
40:23
you too much. They want to give you a 15
40:26
minute PowerPoint presentation about how the doctor was found
40:29
at some mystical gateway. They want to give you the time
40:32
war and they want to give you the doctor's, you know,
40:36
childhood barn and his nanny and all their stuff that completely.
40:40
I know it's trying to add layers but it completely destroys the
40:42
mystery of the carrier whereas. Why would you just entice you?
40:48
Yeah, why? Why would you go to all of the
40:51
effort of reintroducing mystery just to then answer all of the
40:54
mysteries, then have to reintroduce more mystery?
40:57
That's that's that's always my problem with, like, the Timeless
41:00
Children stuff is that a lot of the time you just can't let it
41:04
lie. It's not it's not like a
41:07
mystery. It's like just a long
41:09
explanation that's not particularly interesting, and
41:12
then you have to do something different to reintroduce even
41:15
more mystery. So there the Doctor just ends up
41:18
being like a ridiculous collection of every kind of
41:22
hero, myth slash Marvel origin story you can think of, because
41:26
they've just had to, like, layer more and more and more on every.
41:30
Time. I think you can go too far with
41:32
the mystery as well. And that's Morphus problem.
41:34
All this Doctor Who. Doctor Who, the first question
41:38
asked and all of this bullshit, and we don't need it spelled out
41:41
to us by that. You know, Carmel just gives you
41:45
hints and whistles like Rusty Davis.
41:47
You know enough for you to grab hold of and let your imagination
41:50
do the rest. Yeah, I agree.
41:53
Unfortunately, Paul Kamal and Kate Ormond and all that bunch
41:57
were watching. And then we.
41:59
I know I thought I constantly ripped the new adventures.
42:02
I realise it was a very innovative experimental time for
42:06
Doctor Who and inspired much of what came later actually.
42:10
But yeah, it certainly won't. If anything, the New Adventures
42:14
proved that it works. Yeah, I I I'm sort of with you
42:20
on that. I think Long Barrow is, I think
42:24
it's nicely written by Mark Platt but it's so it's just
42:30
boring isn't it. So the Doctor's just he's
42:33
actually. Around this house, he's actually
42:36
slightly different Time Lord. OK, so he's not the Time Lord
42:41
that we thought he was, but he is.
42:43
But he's also a different Time Lord as well.
42:45
OK, why do I care? In fact, you know what?
42:51
I think I'm going to go completely away from children.
42:54
This is now, but I'm actually doing a recording on this
42:57
tomorrow, so which is why it's in my mind.
42:59
A better reinterpretation of the Doctor is in Justin Richards The
43:03
Burning, where they take away everything the series relies on,
43:07
which is the TARDIS, the continuity and the companions,
43:10
and just has the Doctor as this sort of slightly sinister, very
43:14
mysterious figure that's got no memory of his past.
43:18
And just a black cube in his pocket.
43:20
Yeah, I, I, I saw you kind of talking about that on Twitter
43:31
earlier. I haven't read The Burning for
43:33
years. But yeah, you're spot on.
43:35
It's it's quite a quite a powerful kind of reinvention,
43:42
albeit I think that it's basically they knew Paul McGann
43:45
was going to go and do Big Finish audios and they didn't
43:48
know how he was going to do it. So they just had to head to
43:50
their backs. But yeah, it's.
43:52
It's. It's.
43:52
So it still works. Yeah, it's still an old
43:56
fashioned historical Horror Story as well.
43:58
So it's totally Doctor Who. Yes.
44:00
Anyway, Silver Nemesis. Absolutely glorious.
44:05
Now, Matt, you and I, we talked about Silver Nemesis and someone
44:08
else. What was it?
44:10
Was it Lamos Rising? Lamos rising?
44:13
Yeah. That's right.
44:15
Well, that's where we're heading next.
44:16
Now, I don't know anything about this.
44:17
I've never seen it. I've never seen.
44:21
It I think it's a sequel to The Demons.
44:23
At least I hope so. The sequel to The Demons and
44:25
Downtime. The the the double sequel that
44:29
the world was crying out for. Is it starring Damaris?
44:34
It's not. It stars Miles Richardson and
44:38
Beverly. Prestige casting there.
44:43
We're in good hands, yeah. And Azal.
44:48
I. Can only dread to see how that's
44:50
realised but. You're off on your holidays
44:55
tomorrow. You give time to do this.
44:57
I can only say thank you so much because throughout the entirety
45:01
of that I just basically laughed.
45:05
Thank you, Joe.