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Iran and History - Big Picture with Jack Atherton · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Seven oh six Bity five KRCD talk station Brian Thomas
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  Speaker 1: wishing everyone a very very happy Wednesday and inviting everybody
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  Speaker 1: to listener lunch Works Pizza Company in downtown Loveland and
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  Speaker 1: also happy at seven oh six on a Wednesday, because
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  Speaker 1: it's time for the Big Picture with Jack Atherton, brilliant
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  Speaker 1: as always informative, weaving history into modern events, and that's
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  Speaker 1: what we're doing today. Welcome back, Jack Atherden is always
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  Speaker 1: pleasure to having you on my program.
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  Speaker 2: Hi friend, thanks as always, and regular listeners, don't worry.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to repeat for the opteenth time. But
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  Speaker 2: I believe were President Trump's justifications for striking Iran both
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  Speaker 2: constitutional meeting Article two, go and read it, and historical.
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  Speaker 2: Every Democrat since Truman has used so called unauthorized military
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  Speaker 2: force you talked about this last hour, and even statutory.
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  Speaker 2: Trump has repeatedly notified Congressional leaders as required by the
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  Speaker 2: War Powers Act, assuming it's constitutional. The President was authorized
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  Speaker 2: to strike Iran last June Venezuela last January, and Iran
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  Speaker 2: again last Saturday. Senator Rand Paul and Congressman Thomas Massey,
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  Speaker 2: who says Trump is using Iran to distract from the
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  Speaker 2: Epstein files. That's Thomas Massey for you. They and I'm
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  Speaker 2: sorry to say, my Congressman Warren Davidson disagree with me.
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  Speaker 2: Davidson says the President violated his own America First policy.
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  Speaker 2: But let me point out that America First has had
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  Speaker 2: different meanings. Before December seventh, nineteen forty one, America First
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  Speaker 2: US opposed help being Great Britain, even with land lease,
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  Speaker 2: so the Churchill would have some weapons in the fight
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  Speaker 2: against Hitler. I call those America Firsters and their modern
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  Speaker 2: counterparts isolationists. Had the Japanese not attacked US at Pearl
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  Speaker 2: Harbor and forced US into World War II, we might
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  Speaker 2: now be speaking German, and that's not a joke. By contrast,
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's idea of America First is to protect America
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  Speaker 2: from open borders, drug cartels, ruinous trade deals, democrats, socialism,
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  Speaker 2: and certainly not least state sponsors of terror jihadist regimes
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  Speaker 2: that have killed thousands of Americans and threatened to kill
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  Speaker 2: us all. Death to America is not just a bumper
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  Speaker 2: sticker in Iran. But Brian, can we move on to
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  Speaker 2: something else. We always try to let history shine a
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  Speaker 2: light on what's going on, So how about a few
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  Speaker 2: old time thoughts about Iran. First Saturday's surprise, Israel and
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  Speaker 2: America wiped out pretty much the entire Iranian theocracy, including
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  Speaker 2: the Supreme leader Ayatola Haamani and his defense minister, the
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  Speaker 2: guy from the Revolutionary Guards. Because last Saturday, in broad daylight,
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  Speaker 2: despite the threat of war, mullah's and ministers gathered for
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  Speaker 2: a high level breakfast meeting. Why on earth would they
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  Speaker 2: do that? Well, my thought is thinking just to myself,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it was an all you can eat breakfast. And yes,
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  Speaker 2: Trump was publicly giving mixed signals about progress or lack thereof,
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  Speaker 2: in nuclear negotiations, so the Maulas may have figured there
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  Speaker 2: was more time to play ropa dope about enriching uranium
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  Speaker 2: again and reconstituting their arsenal after last June's attack. But
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  Speaker 2: beyond that, Iran's leaders also knew that historically, many Jews
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  Speaker 2: have refused to fight on the Sabbath. In biblical times,
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  Speaker 2: they even allowed themselves to be massacred. That's why, after
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  Speaker 2: he lost one thousand men, Judah Maccabee of Hanik fame
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  Speaker 2: had to relax the prohibition. But even today Jews debate
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  Speaker 2: whether it's permitted to launch attacks on a Saturday. Now
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  Speaker 2: consider what Israel accomplished with that attack. Thanks to these strikes,
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  Speaker 2: Iran now has fewer top leaders than Nazi Germany did
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  Speaker 2: before Hitler committed suicide and the others went on trial
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  Speaker 2: at Nuremberg. Still crucial as the surprise element was, including
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  Speaker 2: the undercover intelligence gathered by Israel's Massad agents embedded in
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  Speaker 2: Iraq and by our Cia, and of course our military
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  Speaker 2: is meticulously planned and brilliantly executed attacks. So much for
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats taunt of takeo meaning Trump always chickens out
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  Speaker 2: incredible as all that was Brian, I think the real
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  Speaker 2: key to success stems from the Abraham Accords, dating back
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  Speaker 2: to Trump's first term. These peaceful economic agreements were named
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  Speaker 2: after the Bibles Abraham, the common ancestor of Arabs and Jews.
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  Speaker 2: Before the Abraham Accords, starting in the nineteen fifties and sixties,
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  Speaker 2: with Egypt's Gamel Abdul Nasser, who craved a pan Arabic state,
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  Speaker 2: and more recently Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, who proclaimed a
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  Speaker 2: new Islamic caliphate ISIS until Trump killed him for more
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  Speaker 2: than forty No, no, I'm sorry, people. For more than
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  Speaker 2: seventy years, the Middle East has been rocked by leaders
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  Speaker 2: who cemented their power by promising Israeli genocide. Previous American
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  Speaker 2: presidents tried negotiating peace deals between Israel and Palestinians. Some
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  Speaker 2: of them were suicidal for Israel, like Bill Clinton asking
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  Speaker 2: Israel to give up the Golan Heights give them back
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  Speaker 2: to Syria, which would have let Israel completely defenseless. Yet
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  Speaker 2: even that deal was torpedoed by the Palestinians Yasir Araphat
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  Speaker 2: because Palestinians would not concede Israel's right to exist between
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  Speaker 2: the river and the sea, as the kids of Columbia
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  Speaker 2: would say, which is to say anywhere in the jews
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  Speaker 2: historic homelandsyep. So Trump and his son in law Jared
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  Speaker 2: Kushner did an and run around the Palestinians and Iran.
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  Speaker 2: The Abraham Accurts hold out of future where Jews and
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  Speaker 2: Muslims shared technology, trade and jointly make the Middle East
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  Speaker 2: a true oasis. Trump Hope's Gaza can become the next
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  Speaker 2: French riviera. Everybody lasts at that, but he wants it
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  Speaker 2: to be run by Palestinians, the President's enemies accuse him
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  Speaker 2: of imperialism annexation. But Trump's twenty point peace proposal includes
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  Speaker 2: and I'll reach you number twelve quote. No one will
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  Speaker 2: be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to
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  Speaker 2: leave will be free to do so and free to return.
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  Speaker 2: We will encourage people to stay and offer the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to build a better Gaza. And here's number nineteen Brian.
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  Speaker 2: While Gaza redevelopment advances, and when the Palestinian Authority reform
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  Speaker 2: program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be
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  Speaker 2: in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self determination
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  Speaker 2: and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian people end quote. The fact that Aron's responded to
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  Speaker 2: these strikes by attacking not just Israel but Arab countries
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  Speaker 2: as well, will only draw them closer to Israel and
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  Speaker 2: maybe more of them into the Abraham Accords. One last point,
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  Speaker 2: my friend, which ties into America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday.
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  Speaker 2: We're now hoping that a liberated your run will become
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  Speaker 2: a Western style democracy. But folks, that wasn't easy even
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  Speaker 2: for Western democracies, unlike America, which had a long history
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  Speaker 2: of colonial town halls and legislatures. When the French, thirteen
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  Speaker 2: years after US, when they rose up against their king
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  Speaker 2: in seventeen eighty nine, they had no tradition of self government,
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  Speaker 2: so the new French Republic plunged into a reign of
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  Speaker 2: terror and then a military dictatorship under Napoleon. Still, let's
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  Speaker 2: close on a hopeful note. Last week a diverse group
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  Speaker 2: of Iranian exiles in London formed where they called the
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  Speaker 2: Iranian Freedom Council. President Trump is still checking that out.
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  Speaker 2: The son of the post Shah Razapa Lavi, has offered
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  Speaker 2: to lead a government that would quickly hold free elections.
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  Speaker 2: With that work, we once discussed the first elected leader
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  Speaker 2: of Russia, Brian after the Tsar was toppled, a guy
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  Speaker 2: named Alexander Krensky. Lenin and his Bolsheviks quickly toppled Kerensky
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  Speaker 2: and turned Russia into the communist, murderous USSR. Could this
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  Speaker 2: happen in Iran? Who knows? Heck, we may be losing
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  Speaker 2: America right now to socialists and illegal migrants, but as
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  Speaker 2: long as Donald Trump has something to say about it,
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  Speaker 2: Iran will not have nuclear weapons or thousands of ballistic missiles.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe just maybe Iran will one day join the
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  Speaker 2: Abraham Accords. Brian, We mourn all lives loss on both sides,
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  Speaker 2: especially those of our valiant American service members and Congress,
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  Speaker 2: including Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, and Warren Davidson. Congress has
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  Speaker 2: every right to stop funding this operation. That's their constitutional prerogative.
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  Speaker 2: The way Congress right now is refusing to fund the
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  Speaker 2: Department of Homeland and Security, which is a disgrace. But
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  Speaker 2: I think America will ultimately thank Donald Trump for protecting
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  Speaker 2: our border and protecting the world.
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  Speaker 1: What do you say now, Yeah, well, I have to
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  Speaker 1: immediately gravitate to the whole Abraham Accord things. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the people who laugh at Trump about thinking, gods, it
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  Speaker 1: could be some wonderful resort fail to appreciate that stability
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  Speaker 1: in that region will certainly bring investment. There's plenty. There
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  Speaker 1: are a wash in cash over there. The oil revenue
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  Speaker 1: still flows into the entire region. So yeah, it will
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  Speaker 1: be a great option, but you need stability to get
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  Speaker 1: the investment. Nobody wants to touch a place with a
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  Speaker 1: ten foot poll because you're constantly surrounded by crazies that
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  Speaker 1: want to, you know, murder all the Israelis or of
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  Speaker 1: course blow things up, and I just it's an impossible
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  Speaker 1: situation right now. So that the Abraham Accords, I think
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  Speaker 1: we're probably one of the greatest accomplishments of the Trump
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  Speaker 1: administration if you think about it, just getting those Arab
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  Speaker 1: countries to agree to work and play peacefully with his
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  Speaker 1: after so many years. I mean, you and I have
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  Speaker 1: both been alive the whole time. There's never been peace
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  Speaker 1: in the Middle East, and it's always been discussed ad nauseum,
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  Speaker 1: one administration after another, piece in the Middle East, piece
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  Speaker 1: of the Middle East. I mean, who came closer to
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  Speaker 1: bringing that about than Donald Trump?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, buddy and Brian. You remember Lebanon's be route was
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  Speaker 2: called the Paris of the Middle East before Hesbola moved in.
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  Speaker 2: Can I say a word about the young people in
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  Speaker 2: Iran please, and the lesson for our young people here.
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  Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy nine, during the Jimmy Carter presidency, the
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  Speaker 2: first Iatola to lead Iran, Iatola Home Money became a
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  Speaker 2: cult figure for college students and faculty both in and
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  Speaker 2: outside of Iran. They viewed the shah as a product
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  Speaker 2: of Western imperialism and the Ayahtola as a great spiritual leader.
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  Speaker 2: Students and academics were largely responsible for toppling the Shah
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  Speaker 2: and bringing the Ayatola back to Iran from the skirts
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  Speaker 2: of the real Paris. What followed was the repression of women,
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  Speaker 2: worldwide terror and proxy wars. By two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 2: when Barack Obama took office, he refused to support hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of thousands of Iranian protesters, mostly young people, who realized
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  Speaker 2: how stupid they had been. Instead, Obama backed radical Muslims
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  Speaker 2: in Egypt during the so called Arab Spring, until Obama's
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  Speaker 2: Muslim brotherhood was kicked out by the Egyptian people. Now
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is trying to reverse the disaster that followed
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  Speaker 2: Carter and Obama's inaction, young people in Iran realized their folly.
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  Speaker 2: What's tragic and dangerous is that most young people in
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  Speaker 2: America don't.
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  Speaker 1: No, they don't, And I'm glad at least as we
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  Speaker 1: sit here today, there are a lot of people in
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  Speaker 1: Iran that are still alive to remember how it was
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  Speaker 1: with life under the Shah before the Aatola took over.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, the woman who used to cut my hair
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  Speaker 1: when I lived in Chicago was or probably still is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure she's still alive. We talked about how wonderful
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was very western. Women would wear Western
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  Speaker 1: clothes if that was a good thing or bad thing,
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  Speaker 1: but in other words, they didn't have to cover their
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  Speaker 1: faces with the he job, and they wouldn't get persecuted,
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  Speaker 1: they had rights, they could work, and she described it
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  Speaker 1: as a beautiful, modern, wonderful place, only to be supplanted
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  Speaker 1: by this outrageous theocracy that they live under now, where women,
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  Speaker 1: of course have no say in society. So the remnants
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  Speaker 1: of those people who recall it, I am certain have
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  Speaker 1: some connection with the young people now who appreciate the
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  Speaker 1: oppression that they're living under. Maybe parents taught their children
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  Speaker 1: what it used to be like, and maybe that knowledge
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  Speaker 1: and information's taken hold. One can only pray that those
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  Speaker 1: young people that have wakened up to this reality and
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  Speaker 1: are out protesting in the streets will ultimately prevail. But
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a Trump the other day that said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: come what may, we're not going to be running the place.
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  Speaker 1: And if they elect someone who's as bad as the
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  Speaker 1: former Shaw or the former eye Tolla that we just killed,
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  Speaker 1: then that's their prerogative.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look what people have elected in Spain, and
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  Speaker 2: could I just say, brother, you need another haircut and
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  Speaker 2: we need a new government in a Runlets hope maybe
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  Speaker 2: by next week, by the next time we talk, they'll
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  Speaker 2: be real big progress.
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  Speaker 1: Another haircut, I just I just got one on Friday.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm looking. You remember Steve McQueen, his hair
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  Speaker 1: his That's kind of what I got going on right now.
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  Speaker 1: Jack's kind of moving for a couple of weeks. I
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  Speaker 1: know you haven't anyway, I'm trying to clean up Jack anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks man, I appreciate your commentary. As always, I'll look forward.
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  Speaker 1: I'm already looking forward to next Wednesday. Wednesday and another
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  Speaker 1: edition of The Big Picture. Best to health, love and
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  Speaker 1: you and your better half. Jack will talk soon. You're too,
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  Speaker 1: by seven one right now fifty five