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REWIND: His Mind is Thought to be Deranged · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

0:02
SPEAKER_02: Hi everybody, welcome to the Pittsburgh Sports Memories Podcast.
0:07
SPEAKER_02: I am your co-host Tim Hannon with me.
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SPEAKER_03: Um your other co-host, Steve Ward.
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SPEAKER_02: And on this episode, we're gonna go way back in time to talk about a uh a little known story.
0:35
SPEAKER_02: So if if you've been listening to this podcast for any length of time, uh you know, I I we cover a lot of things that um you know that that are popular, folks like like Steelers winning the Super Bowl, things like that.
0:50
SPEAKER_02: I really like these little known, kind of forgotten stories that you know we a lot of fans don't know about.
0:58
SPEAKER_02: And sometimes people like this, sometimes they don't, based on the based on the number of downloads we get.
1:03
SPEAKER_02: So if you're listening, thank you.
1:05
SPEAKER_02: This one's going to be about a guy by the name of Ed Dehaney, who was a pitcher for the Pirates on the 1903 Pirates team, which was the team that went to the first ever baseball world series.
1:18
SPEAKER_02: And Ed Dehaney's story is definitely one uh that has a lot of ups and downs.
1:25
SPEAKER_02: Um definitely a story of triumph and then just a story of just real total catastrophic collapse.
1:33
SPEAKER_02: So let's let's talk first about who Ed Doheny was.
1:36
SPEAKER_02: Uh, he was born in 1873 to Irish immigrants in Vermont, and we don't know much about his childhood, but what we do know is he grew up in New England and he liked to play baseball.
1:49
SPEAKER_02: And baseball's a sport that really takes off after the Civil War.
1:52
SPEAKER_02: That's when you start to hear terms like national pastime.
1:56
SPEAKER_02: And Dohaney, he's part of the first generation of kids that grows up playing baseball and grows up with the prospect of there being a professional league that the best of the best can someday play in.
2:07
SPEAKER_02: I mean, imagine that, Steve.
2:08
SPEAKER_02: I mean, baseball was around in some form for a lot of years, and you're playing this game, you know, with your friends and on a farm or in a street or whatever.
2:18
SPEAKER_02: Up until this generation of kids, there's no, oh, I could play this professionally someday, right?
2:25
SPEAKER_02: It's just a game.
2:27
SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, back then, if you were, I don't know, 21 years old, you're just lucky to not being working working like 15 hours in a cannery by that point.
2:37
SPEAKER_03: I mean, making the 21 was probably like the equivalent of like 35 or 40 by by like 19th century standards.
2:45
SPEAKER_03: Well, I guess 1873, 21, what that 1890 something.
2:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
2:53
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, and and you're right about the kind of like the the uh industrial blue collar kind of work.
3:02
SPEAKER_02: If if you know if you weren't doing something like that, that was probably your your future was was working in a mill or something like that.
3:10
SPEAKER_02: There was a lot of that kind of stuff going on at this time.
3:13
SPEAKER_02: So Dohaney, he wants he grows up really enjoying baseball, and he tries to make a career out of it.
3:20
SPEAKER_02: When he's 21 years old, he's playing in the minors, and he's a pitcher.
3:25
SPEAKER_02: And the Boston Globe actually writes about him because he's you know starting to make some waves there in the minors.
3:32
SPEAKER_02: And eventually the Giants scout him and they offer him a contract to come play in New York.
3:37
SPEAKER_02: The Giants are in New York at this time.
3:39
SPEAKER_03: This is the New York baseball Giants.
3:41
SPEAKER_02: The New York baseball Giants, years before.
3:43
SPEAKER_02: I always wanted to say that.
3:44
SPEAKER_03: I always wanted to say that.
3:48
SPEAKER_03: My goodness, it's like 50 years before they move to San Francisco, yep.
3:54
SPEAKER_02: Um Dohaney makes his Major League debut on September 16, 1895, and it doesn't go real well.
4:02
SPEAKER_02: He starts three games that year.
4:04
SPEAKER_02: He gives up 37 hits, 19 walks, he hits three guys, throws four wild pitches, and allows 22 earned runs.
4:12
SPEAKER_02: This is in three starts.
4:14
SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say, what's his pitch count for that game?
4:17
SPEAKER_03: My God.
4:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, and this is this is we'll get into this more later.
4:22
SPEAKER_02: This is definitely the era where guys generally threw complete games, uh, but that's still not not a good start for Dohaney.
4:31
SPEAKER_02: The New York Times wrote uh about his debut, quote, Dohaney, though slaughtered, showed the earmarks of a ball player.
4:39
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not sure if that was meant to be like encouraging or sarcastic.
4:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh could it could sort of be right either way.
4:46
SPEAKER_02: Um but but he doesn't have a real solid start, and and you're thinking, you know, maybe he's not gonna make it, but he does calm down after that, and the next two seasons go a little bit better.
4:56
SPEAKER_02: In fact, in 1897 he posts a 2.12 ERA, which is tremendous, except he only pitches 85 innings all season.
5:06
SPEAKER_02: So why why does he only pitch 85 innings?
5:08
SPEAKER_02: Was he hurt?
5:09
SPEAKER_02: Uh no.
5:10
SPEAKER_02: He actually keeps getting suspended for quote breaches of discipline.
5:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, and and and what was reported at the time was he was drinking a lot, uh, he would show up to the ballpark drunk, uh, or sometimes he would not show up at all, even on days he was scheduled to pitch.
5:28
SPEAKER_02: He's also apparently very paranoid.
5:30
SPEAKER_02: He keeps getting in fist fights with teammates because he would falsely accuse other guys of stealing things from his locker.
5:37
SPEAKER_02: Now the Giants at this time happen to be owned by a guy named Andrew Friedman, who's really mean and who everyone hates.
5:44
SPEAKER_02: Uh Albert Goodwill Spaulding, who's really instrumental in the founding of the National League, actually tries to force him to sell the Giants because he thought that guy was so bad for the league.
5:55
SPEAKER_02: So Dohaney's getting into trouble, but how much of that is him?
5:59
SPEAKER_02: How much of that is being part of a toxic organization?
6:02
SPEAKER_02: Eh.
6:03
SPEAKER_02: Well, he was about to find out because in the middle of the 1901 season he is traded to a team called the Pittsburgh Pirates.
6:12
SPEAKER_02: So let's talk about where the Pirates were at this point.
6:15
SPEAKER_02: They had the Pirates had joined the National League in 1887.
6:18
SPEAKER_02: I think, Steve, they were around before the National League.
6:21
SPEAKER_02: I don't know where they were playing before that, but that's kind of their official beginning, I think, is what the team celebrates, is when they joined the National League in 1887.
6:31
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I only remember like in 1987 when I went to the games, it was like their centennials, centennial season, I think.
6:39
SPEAKER_02: Yep, yep.
6:39
SPEAKER_03: They had the little pirate guy who would like laugh and be like, haha, we played for a hundred years.
6:44
SPEAKER_03: And we've sucked, we've sucked for a lot of them.
6:48
SPEAKER_03: Actually, that really isn't fair because they really hadn't started sucking like they have right now.
6:53
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, that's that's that's true.
6:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but um yeah, I mean, hey, it's the pirates.
6:59
SPEAKER_03: I don't know who owned them back then, but uh oh well well, good question.
7:03
SPEAKER_02: So the pirates are owned by a guy named William Kerr.
7:07
SPEAKER_02: And like the Giants owner, he's not very well liked.
7:11
SPEAKER_02: He's very Steinbrenner-esque, he's impatient, he fires managers a lot.
7:16
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we talked in our Guys You Forgot Played for Pittsburgh episode about how Connie Mack got ran out of town by Kerr and then went on to manage the ace for 50 years.
7:26
SPEAKER_03: Well, that was a smart move by him.
7:28
SPEAKER_03: Right.
7:28
SPEAKER_03: I think I'm pretty sure Connie Mack's in the baseball hall of fame.
7:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes.
7:32
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
7:33
SPEAKER_02: Also the all-time winningest manager in baseball history.
7:36
SPEAKER_02: But but other than that, you know, didn't really do anything.
7:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:39
SPEAKER_02: So so yeah, under this guy, William Kerr, the Pirates, they're they're not a bad team.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: They're kind of a middle-of-the-road team for their first 14 seasons.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: They're sometimes they're above 500, sometimes they're below 500, but they're never really in serious contention for anything.
7:56
SPEAKER_02: And a big change happens in baseball after the 1899 season because at this point, baseball is not doing well.
8:06
SPEAKER_02: The attendance is way down, and and this is pre-television.
8:10
SPEAKER_02: So attendance is the only way you make money, selling tickets, right?
8:14
SPEAKER_02: That's that's how you make all your revenue.
8:16
SPEAKER_02: Uh, there's a lack of competitive balance in the National League.
8:20
SPEAKER_02: There's also a national depression.
8:22
SPEAKER_02: Steve, you might you're the history buff, you know, might know more about what was happening in the 1890s from a depression standpoint.
8:28
SPEAKER_03: There always were run on the banks and because there was no banking laws.
8:33
SPEAKER_03: Like it's kind of crazy to think there was like no FDIC or anything like that.
8:37
SPEAKER_03: Which I mean, you know, I I guess you know, not all governments are a bad thing, because like it would kind of suck to like go to your bank tomorrow and be like, nah, hey, all your money's gone, buddy.
8:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
8:50
SPEAKER_03: That's why like they always joked about keeping money in your mattress, because like literally, you know, if you didn't go to a reliable bank, you know.
8:58
SPEAKER_03: Have you ever looked at the way like the older banks are built?
9:01
SPEAKER_03: Do you ever notice that they're built like huge colosseums, you know, with marble and everything?
9:06
SPEAKER_03: Is it like this is gonna be around for a hundred years?
9:09
SPEAKER_03: And that I think that was to instill confidence that you put your money here, we ain't going nowhere.
9:14
SPEAKER_03: So but anywho, I digress.
9:16
SPEAKER_03: I mean, you know, baseball's not doing well, people probably don't have the disposable income.
9:20
SPEAKER_03: Once again, we're still in the early 20th century, and Lord knows Henry Clay Frick is not going to give those homestead strikers any money.
9:29
SPEAKER_02: Well, if there and if there's a like to your point, if there's a national depression, you're not gonna have the disposable income, or you're gonna be very selective about where you spend it.
9:37
SPEAKER_02: And and at this time, the atmosphere at baseball games was not pretty.
9:42
SPEAKER_02: There was a lot of fist fights, there was foul language, people getting drunk.
9:46
SPEAKER_02: Imagine all that happening in a sporting event.
9:48
SPEAKER_02: Huh, that'd be terrible.
9:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:50
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it almost sounds like a Dodgers game.
9:54
SPEAKER_02: But it's but it's seen, it's kind of seen at the time as the same as going to like a CD bar at you know one in the morning.
10:02
SPEAKER_02: So you're not gonna take your kids, you're not gonna take your wife, right?
10:05
SPEAKER_02: It's driving away families.
10:07
SPEAKER_02: And there's also this guy named Ben Johnson that takes notice of all this, and he goes off and he creates a rival league called the American League, which features, among other things, a strict conduct policy for its players.
10:21
SPEAKER_02: So he's he's out there promising more of a wholesome family atmosphere and cheaper ticket prices.
10:27
SPEAKER_02: So the National League owners know they're in trouble because at this point the National League is the only game in town.
10:33
SPEAKER_02: You know, they basically have a monopoly.
10:35
SPEAKER_02: Now there's this rival league, they're losing attendance, people aren't interested in baseball anymore.
10:40
SPEAKER_02: They've got to do something, they've got to make some changes.
10:43
SPEAKER_02: So they get together that offseason and they decide one of the things they decide is there's too many teams.
10:49
SPEAKER_02: The National League had 12 teams, and they decide they're gonna contract four of the 12 teams, leaving them with an eight-team national league.
10:58
SPEAKER_02: And oddly enough, all eight of those teams that that um that they contract to are still in the 15 team National League.
11:06
SPEAKER_03: Let me see if I can name them.
11:08
SPEAKER_03: Alright.
11:09
SPEAKER_03: So I only got to name eight, right?
11:12
SPEAKER_03: Okay, yes.
11:13
SPEAKER_03: So obviously the Giants.
11:15
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
11:15
SPEAKER_03: Okay, obviously the Pirates.
11:17
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
11:18
SPEAKER_03: Would it be the Red Stockings?
11:20
SPEAKER_03: Would they be the otherwise known as the Reds?
11:23
SPEAKER_03: Had to be the Reds.
11:25
SPEAKER_03: Ooh, now it gets tricky.
11:27
SPEAKER_03: Um were the Dodgers around yet?
11:32
SPEAKER_03: Dodgers were around.
11:33
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so I got Dodgers.
11:36
SPEAKER_03: Uh no team in was there anybody in Boston with the Braves, the Boston Braves, maybe?
11:41
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
11:42
SPEAKER_03: Braves were there.
11:43
SPEAKER_03: How many of them up to?
11:44
SPEAKER_03: Six?
11:44
SPEAKER_03: Five.
11:45
SPEAKER_03: You got three more that you're gonna kick yourself if you don't get them.
11:48
SPEAKER_03: Uh are they easy?
11:49
SPEAKER_03: Senators?
11:50
SPEAKER_03: No.
11:51
SPEAKER_03: Washington?
11:51
SPEAKER_03: No, Washington was an American league.
11:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's what I thought.
11:56
SPEAKER_03: Uh can't be clear.
11:58
SPEAKER_03: St.
11:58
SPEAKER_03: Louis, no.
11:59
SPEAKER_03: St.
11:59
SPEAKER_03: Louis was not around, right?
12:00
SPEAKER_03: Yes, St.
12:00
SPEAKER_03: Louis.
12:01
SPEAKER_03: The Cardinals, not the Browns.
12:02
SPEAKER_03: Then they have a Browns team or something.
12:04
SPEAKER_03: American League.
12:05
SPEAKER_03: Browns were in American league.
12:07
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so the Cardinals, so I only need two more.
12:11
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna kick myself for not knowing these last two, ain't I?
12:15
SPEAKER_03: And time's up.
12:17
SPEAKER_03: Okay, it's it's the Cubs.
12:18
SPEAKER_03: Oh, come on, so obvious.
12:20
SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
12:21
SPEAKER_03: And the and the Phillies.
12:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the Phillies.
12:24
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
12:25
SPEAKER_03: The Phillies have been around forever.
12:26
SPEAKER_03: But the Phillies were never managed by Connie Mack, right?
12:31
SPEAKER_03: No, it was the A's.
12:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're mixing up your National League and American League teams.
12:36
SPEAKER_02: And we'll actually talk about that later because one of the things Van Johnson does on purpose is put teams in the same cities as National League teams.
12:44
SPEAKER_02: So we'll we'll kind of get into that.
12:48
SPEAKER_03: Well, six out of eight, that's not bad.
12:50
SPEAKER_03: And I really should have the Cubs.
12:51
SPEAKER_03: The Cubs and the Phillies, come on, man.
12:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's yeah, you should have.
12:57
SPEAKER_02: Um so so why is this significant for the Pirates?
13:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh well, for one, they're one of the teams that survives, right?
13:05
SPEAKER_02: They're still around after the after we go from 12 teams to eight teams.
13:09
SPEAKER_02: But one of the teams that the league contracts is this team called the Louisville Colonels.
13:15
SPEAKER_02: And the Colonels are owned by a guy named Barney Dreyfus.
13:18
SPEAKER_02: Uh, they also have a pretty stacked roster.
13:21
SPEAKER_02: They have uh guys like Fred Clark, Deacon Philippi, and some guy named Hannes Wagner all playing for them.
13:28
SPEAKER_02: But now they're not a team anymore because the Innational League has just basically eliminated them.
13:34
SPEAKER_03: I wonder why they picked Pittsburgh over Louisville, just because maybe the steel mills, bigger population back then than Louisville.
13:40
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
13:41
SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm sure that yeah, I'm sure they analyzed all that.
13:44
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they there was a team.
13:45
SPEAKER_03: And they're like, but they're a little monocle and like writing things down, hey, yeah, smoke you filled room, yeah, cigar ash.
13:53
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure they had some spreadsheets and you know, figured out some numbers.
13:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh but but but Barney Dreyfus, the Louisville Colonel's owner, he he still wants to be in baseball.
14:02
SPEAKER_02: So he starts working on a deal to buy into the pirates ownership.
14:06
SPEAKER_02: And he actually travels to Pittsburgh to meet with Kerr, the guy that currently owns the Pirates.
14:12
SPEAKER_02: But those negotiations fall apart.
14:15
SPEAKER_02: And Dreyfus is quoted in one of the Pittsburgh newspapers, and here's this quote I am sorry that I cannot leave the sum of money that I have with me in Pittsburgh, but Mr.
14:25
SPEAKER_02: Kerr does not want it, so I guess I'll take it home.
14:29
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if he said it like that, but again, that's how I read it.
14:32
SPEAKER_03: Maybe Barney Dreyfus keeps his money under his mattress and not in the bank that's going to fail.
14:38
SPEAKER_03: Well, apparently he had it on the apparently he took it on the train to Pittsburgh and took it back home with him.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: To Louisville.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:45
SPEAKER_02: So so it doesn't look promising, but you know, as negotiations often go, that's not the end of the story.
14:51
SPEAKER_02: And eventually part of the deal becomes that Dreyfus will bring along his best players from Louisville.
14:57
SPEAKER_02: And that generates some buzz amongst pirate fans, which you can imagine, right?
15:03
SPEAKER_02: Imagine if the NFL decided to eliminate like the Minnesota Vikings, and there was a potential deal in place for the Steelers to get Dalvin Cook and Justin Jefferson and all their best players.
15:13
SPEAKER_02: You know, people would be kind of excited about that, right?
15:18
SPEAKER_03: Can't you pick a better team?
15:20
SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't know, the Rams or something.
15:23
SPEAKER_02: Same same principle.
15:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, so on December 11th, a deal does get done.
15:28
SPEAKER_02: Dreyfus becomes the majority owner, and a bunch of players from Louisville are now pirates, with Fred Clark being named as the manager.
15:37
SPEAKER_02: So Fred Clark had been managing and playing for the Colonels, now he'll be doing the same thing in Pittsburgh.
15:42
SPEAKER_02: And this is a just a huge blockbuster deal because it turns the Pirates from basically a mediocre team into an instant contender.
15:50
SPEAKER_02: And by the time that Ed Doheny is created to the Pirates in 1901, they are in fact a first place team.
15:57
SPEAKER_02: So that's that's just interesting.
15:59
SPEAKER_02: The Pirates, you know, basically make a deal with this team that's that's being eliminated to share ownership.
16:07
SPEAKER_02: And you know, if they did something like that today, I'm sure there would be some kind of like, I don't know, whatever the opposite of an expansion draft is.
16:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you'd have you'd have to like if the penguins would have gone under like a couple years back when they all they had were like Yager and Stracha, it's like you would have had the same scenario.
16:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it wouldn't have just been a free-for-all, right?
16:29
SPEAKER_02: They would have they would have come back to the floor.
16:30
SPEAKER_03: It would have been like the Flyers would be like, okay, we're just taking Yager and Straka and you know, a couple other guys.
16:36
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
16:37
SPEAKER_03: Right.
16:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:38
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:38
SPEAKER_02: But back then, uh, you know, it was a free-for-all, and because Dreyfus is buying into the Pittsburgh team, you know, he's bringing his players along with him.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: So very interesting deal there that actually turns the Pirates again into an instant contender.
16:53
SPEAKER_02: So that trade in 1901 is made mid-season.
16:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh, it's it's not an off-season trade, it's actually a middle of the season trade for Ed Duhaney because the Pirates needed a left-handed pitcher.
17:05
SPEAKER_02: And one of the reasons they needed a left-handed pitcher is because they are about to dump Hall of Famer Rubo Adell.
17:11
SPEAKER_02: He's the guy we talked about in our big personalities episode, Steve, the guy that chased after the fire trucks.
17:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:16
SPEAKER_02: Only showed up for games when he felt like it.
17:19
SPEAKER_02: This was around the time that they were just kind of like done with that guy.
17:23
SPEAKER_02: So they go out and trade for Ed Dohaney.
17:26
SPEAKER_02: Now, to be fair, Dohaney has a checkered reputation coming in, right?
17:31
SPEAKER_02: And we talked about in New York he had gotten himself suspended, he had gotten into fights with teammates, uh, but the Pirates decide to take a gamble on him anyway, and it really pays off.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: Do Haney is two and five as a starter for the Giants that year.
17:46
SPEAKER_02: After the trade to Pittsburgh, he goes six and two for the Pirates.
17:49
SPEAKER_02: And the Pirates win the pennant.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: And there were there was no World Series at this point.
17:54
SPEAKER_02: So the team that finished with the best record in the league won the championship, and that's it.
17:58
SPEAKER_02: They they win the pennant, and they were the champions.
18:01
SPEAKER_02: It's the first championship of any kind.
18:03
SPEAKER_03: Albert college football of them to not really well, I guess they actually decided it on the field.
18:08
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, they actually had standings and and like they didn't have people vote on it.
18:13
SPEAKER_03: At the end of the year, yeah.
18:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
18:15
SPEAKER_02: I I mean, yeah, it was just basically whoever finished in first place won.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, that that there was only eight teams, so they didn't have a playoff or a a tournament or anything, and and Pittsburgh's a champion.
18:27
SPEAKER_02: It's and again, it's the first championship for a Pittsburgh pro sports team of any kind.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: So 1901, the Pirates win the pennant.
18:35
SPEAKER_02: They come back the next season and put together arguably one of the most dominant runs in baseball history.
18:41
SPEAKER_02: 1902, they go 103 and 36.
18:45
SPEAKER_02: They only lose 36 games all year.
18:47
SPEAKER_02: They win 80% of their home games, which is still a franchise record, which I'm sure will never be broken.
18:54
SPEAKER_02: They lead the league in every significant batting category.
18:57
SPEAKER_02: They scored 775 runs, which is 142 more than any other team that year.
19:03
SPEAKER_02: So offensively, they're a juggernaut.
19:06
SPEAKER_02: Their pitching is also dominant.
19:07
SPEAKER_02: At one point, they post six consecutive shutouts, and they allow the fewest home runs in the history of Major League Baseball.
19:14
SPEAKER_02: Steve, guess what that number is?
19:16
SPEAKER_02: How many home runs did the 1902 Pirates allow?
19:19
SPEAKER_03: Well, I already looked at the number, I'm sorry.
19:21
SPEAKER_03: But it was the dead ball era, Tim.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: It is, but four home runs.
19:26
SPEAKER_03: They allow four home runs all season.
19:28
SPEAKER_03: So you didn't come into Exposition Park and we walk out with a win, that's for sure.
19:34
SPEAKER_02: No, you didn't.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: So they win the pennant uh for a second consecutive year, and they win it by 28 games over the second place Dodgers.
19:43
SPEAKER_03: It was over in like August.
19:45
SPEAKER_03: It was like the Pyre Pirates' magic number was being posted at the 4th of July.
19:52
SPEAKER_02: Literally, I mean, and this is an eight-team league, too.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: I mean, right today you would only have to beat out four other teams to win your division.
19:59
SPEAKER_02: I mean, back then you had to beat out seven other teams, and they still won the league by 28 games.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: So the 1902 Pirates are even better than 1901 Pirates.
20:10
SPEAKER_02: Do Haney, he's flourishing.
20:12
SPEAKER_02: He was 16-4 that year.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: Uh so he's really turned his career around.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: He's on this you know uh budding dynasty of a Pirates team, and they win back-to-back National League pennants.
20:26
SPEAKER_02: Fun fun fact before we leave that 1902 season, Hannes Wagner pitches five innings that year and allows zero earned runs.
20:33
SPEAKER_03: Just for fun.
20:35
SPEAKER_02: Apparently.
20:36
SPEAKER_03: It's like, hey, we're up, we got like a 28-game lead.
20:38
SPEAKER_03: Let's let's pitch like our really good short slop.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I don't know the context behind that, but I just saw the steps.
20:46
SPEAKER_03: Just remember you could dirty up the ball, scuff it, throw spitballs.
20:50
SPEAKER_03: Hey, it's all legal, man.
20:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's a very different game at that point.
20:55
SPEAKER_03: Garrett Cole would have had himself a good old time.
21:01
SPEAKER_02: So let's talk now about what happens that offseason, that the the off-season between the 02 and 03 seasons.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: And we talked about Ben Johnson starting the rival American League.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: And by this point, by 1903, that league had really taken off.
21:17
SPEAKER_02: And and Steve, you were kind of guessing some of those those cities.
21:21
SPEAKER_02: Johnson had put teams in some of the cities that had been contracted, like Washington and Cleveland, but he also put teams in cities that had National League clubs like Chicago and Philadelphia and Boston.
21:32
SPEAKER_02: So the American League also had eight teams, and the eight American League teams, I'm just gonna list them.
21:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm not gonna try and guess them.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna list who they are today instead of trying to go through all the the kind of the genealogy.
21:46
SPEAKER_02: The Yankees, the Red Sox, the White Sox, well, the Guardians, I guess they're called now.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: The Tigers, the A's, uh the St.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: Louis Browns who you mentioned, who became the Baltimore Orioles, and then the Washington Senators, who you mentioned.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Who became the Minnesota Twins?
22:02
SPEAKER_02: So those are your eight Americ original American League teams that are still around today.
22:07
SPEAKER_03: So the Texas Rangers aren't the Washington Senators.
22:09
SPEAKER_03: Why do they?
22:10
SPEAKER_02: So okay.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: They moved the Minnesota Okay.
22:13
SPEAKER_02: So so they they they kind of are because when the Washington Senators became the Minnesota Twins, they gave the Washington a new Washington Senators team.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: And that team left too.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: That's Yeah.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: That team became the Texas Rangers.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
22:27
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why I know that, but I unfortunately I do.
22:30
SPEAKER_03: So the Washington's lost two baseball teams named the Senators.
22:34
SPEAKER_03: Correct.
22:35
SPEAKER_03: Nice.
22:37
SPEAKER_02: So so the American League's kind of booming, and they're also rating players from the National League.
22:42
SPEAKER_02: Like the two leagues are basically at war with each other.
22:45
SPEAKER_02: So the National League owners are like, hey, this isn't going to end well for us, or probably for them, if we just keep fighting each other.
22:54
SPEAKER_02: So in 1903, they form an agreement with the American League.
22:59
SPEAKER_02: So now there will be two major leagues, separate but equal, kind of how it functions today.
23:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh and and the two leagues agreed, you know, they would honor each other's contracts.
23:11
SPEAKER_02: They also created uh this National Baseball Commission, which was basically a panel of guys that would govern the sport.
23:19
SPEAKER_02: So they would they would kind of exist again, two separate leagues, but under the same set of governance.
23:24
SPEAKER_02: Again, not hugely different than how baseball works today.
23:30
SPEAKER_03: There was no um movement clause between the leagues, too.
23:33
SPEAKER_03: Like you couldn't move between the teams.
23:35
SPEAKER_03: That was a I forget what the do you remember?
23:38
SPEAKER_03: I I know that's in Ken Burns baseball documentary.
23:40
SPEAKER_03: I forget the name of that.
23:42
SPEAKER_03: There's a specific name for that, but that was a big thing too.
23:47
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I know what you're talking about, and I'm blanking on the name of it too.
23:52
SPEAKER_02: Um, but you're right.
23:53
SPEAKER_02: You basically what what you're referring to is that the owners basically owned the players.
23:59
SPEAKER_03: For life, yeah.
24:00
SPEAKER_03: Right.
24:01
SPEAKER_03: If you if you wanted to play professional baseball, like Honas Wagner would always have to play for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
24:08
SPEAKER_03: Ty Cobb would always have to play for the Detroit Tigers until perpetuity, unless they traded them.
24:14
SPEAKER_03: The only way, yeah.
24:16
SPEAKER_03: The only way you would leave a team is if you got traded.
24:19
SPEAKER_03: Yes, that's exactly right.
24:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: Now we have two separate leagues uh and and they're going to live at peace with each other.
24:28
SPEAKER_02: One notable thing that's absent from this agreement that's made in the offseason of 1903, there's no, hey, let's play each other at the end of the season in a championship tournament kind of agreement.
24:40
SPEAKER_02: No one actually had thought of that, at least not yet.
24:44
SPEAKER_02: So when the 1903 season begins, they're they're just two separate leagues under the same set of governance.
24:51
SPEAKER_02: So the 1903 season for the Pirates kind of starts at a disadvantage.
24:56
SPEAKER_02: Their winningest pitcher in 1902 was a Hall of Famer named Jack Tesbro, who had won 28 games for them.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: He goes and signs with the Yankees.
25:05
SPEAKER_02: Hey, that sounds familiar.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: So the Pirates lose this 28-game winner.
25:11
SPEAKER_02: Fortunately, they still have Deacon Philippi, who by this point is arguably the best pitcher in the National League.
25:17
SPEAKER_02: But, you know, losing a guy that won 28 games is going to hurt a little bit.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: They do start the season slow.
25:23
SPEAKER_02: They're in third place by June, but then they get really red hot.
25:27
SPEAKER_02: They reel off a 15-game winning streak.
25:30
SPEAKER_02: A big part of the success of that, you know, that winning streak in that season is Ed Doheny.
25:37
SPEAKER_02: He's having another really good season.
25:39
SPEAKER_02: He's 12-6 uh by the middle of the season, and he's really filling that void left by Chesper, the guy that won 28 games.
25:48
SPEAKER_02: So the Pirates lose this really good pitcher, but they're they're rolling again, and Ed Doheny's a big part of that.
25:55
SPEAKER_02: So again, looks like, man, what a great trade.
25:58
SPEAKER_02: This is really working out.
26:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh thank goodness we have this guy.
26:03
SPEAKER_02: But then some cracks start to form in the armor, just kind of like what happened in New York.
26:08
SPEAKER_02: So Doheny starts getting into arguments with teammates.
26:12
SPEAKER_02: Once again, just similar to New York.
26:14
SPEAKER_02: He's accusing them of stealing stuff from his locker.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if stuff was like missing or if he thought stop taking stuff from his locker.
26:23
SPEAKER_02: He has some kind of goofy moments in games, too.
26:26
SPEAKER_02: Uh, they're playing the Giants, and he pops up to the catcher, and the catcher's about to make the catch, and Doheny throws his bat at the guy to try to stop him from making the catch.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure that's legal.
26:39
SPEAKER_02: Not not legal.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: He also he get he actually that earns him a three-game suspension from the league.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
26:46
SPEAKER_03: Only three games.
26:47
SPEAKER_03: Nice.
26:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, you're yeah, lucky he didn't get more because you know you could obviously hurt somebody pretty good with throwing your bat at them.
26:55
SPEAKER_03: Fitball, yes, bat throwing a catcher, no.
26:59
unknown: Right.
27:00
SPEAKER_03: I don't think did catchers wear like any equipment by that point?
27:04
unknown: I don't know.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's a good question.
27:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:06
SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'm sure whatever they were wearing was not very protective like it is today.
27:12
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, the this stuff, you know, arguing with teammates and and having a kind of a weird moment where he threw his bat, it's it's not good stuff, but uh is it is this at this point, is this like Juju dancing on the logo kind of nonsense where you just kind of shake your head?
27:28
SPEAKER_02: Or is this like full on Antonio Brown, cancer on the team?
27:33
SPEAKER_02: Right?
27:33
SPEAKER_02: And and at this point it's kind of hard to say.
27:37
SPEAKER_02: So while all that's going on, pirates owner Barney Dreyfus has an idea.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: And his idea is, hey, you know, now we have two leagues operating under the same set of rules and the same set of governance.
27:50
SPEAKER_02: Wouldn't it be fun and also probably very profitable to stage a championship contest between the winners of the two leagues at the end of the season?
28:00
SPEAKER_02: So he actually goes, instead of taking this to like the league, he actually goes to the owner of the Red Sox, a guy named Henry Kalea, and he says, Hey, you know, we're comfortably in first place in our league, you're comfortably in first place in your league, and it looks like both of us are going to win our respective pennants.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: Assuming that happens, what do you think about playing each other in a series at the end of the season to determine a champion between the two leagues?
28:27
SPEAKER_02: And that's that's kind of a bold thing to do given that the season still has a few months left to go.
28:34
SPEAKER_02: Like he's he's planning a series between the two winners when they haven't won the leagues yet.
28:41
SPEAKER_02: But that's that's what happens, and the Red Sox owner is all for it.
28:45
SPEAKER_02: Ben Johnson, the guy who started the American League, he's all for it because after all, this this would be his big chance to show everyone that he's got the Superior League.
28:55
SPEAKER_02: And and so everybody agrees, and they decide it will be a nine-game series.
29:01
SPEAKER_02: It actually doesn't become a seven-game series until the second World Series.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: It also, fun fact, reverts back to a nine-game series between 1919 and 1921.
29:11
SPEAKER_03: Really wanted those extra two games.
29:13
SPEAKER_03: Well, I guess gate.
29:15
SPEAKER_03: I guess you know, if you get to stretch it out to make yeah, money.
29:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
29:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
29:20
SPEAKER_02: But that yeah, it's it's really been a seven-game series the entire time it's been played.
29:24
SPEAKER_03: Is that after that's after the eight men out scandal, too, huh?
29:28
SPEAKER_02: That that was that was a nine-game series.
29:31
SPEAKER_02: So so 19, that was 1919.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: So so those three years, for some reason, they extended it and then they went back to seven.
29:38
SPEAKER_02: Charles Kamiski did one have any of that.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:43
SPEAKER_02: But this, but this very first year, they decide it's going to be a nine-game series, and Dreyfus names it the World's Championship Series, later shortened to just World Series, and that's how baseball's World Series was born.
29:57
SPEAKER_03: Good uh, yeah, I mean, yeah.
30:00
SPEAKER_03: I don't know how many world players were in there, but they were all Americans, so whatever.
30:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that was kind of the the the uh the funny thing about it was it's not it's obviously not a world series.
30:11
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you mentioned Steve, all the teams were also on the east coast of the United States.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah so it was it was very far from a world series, but you know, that's marketing, right?
30:21
SPEAKER_02: You give it a name like that, World's Fair, World Series, you know, and it just sounds bigger.
30:26
SPEAKER_02: So that's that's what they called it.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: And and Dreyfus, you know, he that was a smart, smart move to create something like that.
30:35
SPEAKER_02: And kind of ironic too that the owner of a franchise who will probably never again play in said tournament is the one that created it.
30:42
SPEAKER_03: Hey, you never know.
30:43
SPEAKER_03: They could they could turn it over.
30:49
SPEAKER_02: So it's not meant to be an annual thing at this point, by the way.
30:53
SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is this is literally just again the Pirates and Red Sox agreeing to play in the series, assuming they both won their leagues.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: And I think at this point they just kind of want to see, you know, I see how it goes.
31:05
SPEAKER_02: Or fans kind of respond, but there was no agreement in place to do it after 1903.
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32:17
SPEAKER_02: So, meanwhile, the Pirates, they're chugging along.
32:20
SPEAKER_02: The season seems to be going pretty good for them, but there's more trouble from Dohaney.
32:25
SPEAKER_02: He's drinking pretty heavily.
32:28
SPEAKER_02: Again, this was purportedly a problem when he was in New York.
32:32
SPEAKER_02: Not sure if that stopped at one point and then started up again.
32:36
SPEAKER_02: But he he he starts becoming convinced that he's being followed by undercover detectives, and that that becomes an increasingly bigger problem.
32:47
SPEAKER_02: And on July 28th, it all comes to a head.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: Dohaney goes to to manager Fred Clark, and he tells him literally he can't handle the constant surveillance by these detectives, and so he's gonna give them the slip by boarding a train for his home in New England.
33:04
SPEAKER_02: And I don't, Steve, how do you respond to that if you're Fred Clark?
33:08
SPEAKER_03: Like, um, well, they they call it therapeutic communication in some of the medical circles.
33:15
SPEAKER_03: You'd say, well, I I'm not sure.
33:18
SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, I don't think it, yeah, yeah.
33:21
SPEAKER_03: I I I I'm not sure.
33:22
SPEAKER_03: I don't see anybody following you, but if you're seeing them and you feel that way, maybe we can help you.
33:32
SPEAKER_03: But in 1903, they did not have psycho dropic medicine.
33:36
SPEAKER_03: They had cocaine, maybe.
33:38
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
33:38
SPEAKER_03: That probably wouldn't help his help his paranoia much.
33:41
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I was gonna say that's not gonna help.
33:43
SPEAKER_03: How have some Coca-Cola fresh from the pharmacy across the street?
33:47
SPEAKER_03: That'll help your paranoia.
33:50
SPEAKER_02: So that's what happens.
33:51
SPEAKER_02: He goes he gets on a train and he goes back to New England, and and that news breaks, and the Pittsburgh sports media is just merciless.
33:59
SPEAKER_02: Uh the Pittsburgh Post newspaper prints the uh the headline that says, quote, Dohaney runs away, his mind is thought to be deranged.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: And in the article, it's it the article says, quote, his conduct is unquestionably the result of some mental derangement, end quote, and then talks about how the summer heat must somehow be affecting his mind.
34:21
SPEAKER_02: So, Steve, you know, kind of to what you were alluding to earlier, the the understanding of mental illness in 1903 clearly not have it what it is.
34:30
SPEAKER_03: Have another coke.
34:31
SPEAKER_03: It's good for you.
34:33
SPEAKER_03: Right.
34:34
SPEAKER_03: This tonic that the uh pharmacist came up with in Georgia, it just works wonders for your paranoia.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: Think you're seeing detectives are following you?
34:42
SPEAKER_02: Just stop standing in the sun for so long.
34:46
SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, how much sun did the Pittsburgh really see in 1903?
34:53
unknown: Yeah.
34:54
SPEAKER_02: That too.
34:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: So again, interesting observation.
35:00
SPEAKER_02: But man, that was such a merciless headline.
35:02
SPEAKER_02: Like, his mind is thought to be deranged.
35:04
SPEAKER_02: Yikes.
35:05
SPEAKER_02: You know, like could you imagine somebody printing that today?
35:08
SPEAKER_02: Like, again, like I hate to compare to like Antonio Brown, but you know, just trying to think of somebody who's done something.
35:14
SPEAKER_03: Antonio Brown throws his helmet at Ben Rothelsberger.
35:17
SPEAKER_03: His mind is thought to be deranged.
35:19
SPEAKER_02: Antonio Brown rips off shirt and walks off the old.
35:21
SPEAKER_02: His mind is thought to be deranged.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's he just just man, it's a brutal headline.
35:27
SPEAKER_02: Um, so so we talked about how did Fred Clark respond.
35:31
SPEAKER_02: I mean, to his credit, he he lets him go back to New England and he actually comes up publicly and says, Do Haney's welcome back to the team.
35:40
SPEAKER_02: That's an interesting response because you go a bunch of different ways with that, right?
35:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh especially in 1903.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: But that's what Clark says.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: He's like, hey, if he just needs some time to get his head together, that's fine, and he's welcome back at any time.
35:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh and and that's actually what ends up happening.
35:56
SPEAKER_02: Do Haney spends some time in his home to to just kind of get his head straight, and he does decide to rejoin the team in August, and the Pirates are okay with that.
36:07
SPEAKER_02: And he actually comes back and and does pretty good.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: He actually well, better than good, he pitches lights out.
36:13
SPEAKER_02: So for a while it seems like, hey, crisis averted.
36:18
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, not sure what was going on there with Ed, but everything seems okay now, and and he's back on the mound and and on a roll, the team's on a roll.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh the pirates continue to barrel towards that that third straight pennant and towards that first ever World Series tournament.
36:37
SPEAKER_02: But then in September, as the season's starting to wind down here to the end, Dohaney starts acting strangely again.
36:44
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't pitch in any games for the first two weeks of that month.
36:47
SPEAKER_02: And everybody's kind of like, uh, where's Dohaney?
36:51
SPEAKER_02: They thought he was back with the team and pitching.
36:54
SPEAKER_02: Well, he was with the team, but reportedly he was terrified to leave the clubhouse because if he took the field, these detectives that were apparently still following him would murder him.
37:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this guy, this guy's had like some sort of psychotic break.
37:09
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm not I'm not a psychiatrist and I don't play one on TV or podcast, but um, yeah, he's having a lot of delusional behavior.
37:18
SPEAKER_03: It might it might be from the drinking or something he's eating, or you know, back then they put all kinds of crazy stuff and you know they didn't know.
37:26
SPEAKER_03: You didn't know what the they didn't know what the effects of these things were.
37:30
SPEAKER_03: So it could have been something he was ingesting unknowingly.
37:34
SPEAKER_03: It couldn't have just been, you know, everyone you could blame the drinking, and maybe that didn't help, but there might have been some other environmental factor that wasn't helping his mental health there.
37:45
SPEAKER_03: And that's just a total guess on my partner.
37:47
SPEAKER_02: No, that's a that's a great, that's a great observation.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: It it actually could have been something environmental, especially back then, because you didn't have you know, you talked about like government regulation, you didn't have the the safety of things you were.
38:00
SPEAKER_03: I don't think the FDA Food and Drug Act came into effect until years later, until 10 or 12.
38:06
SPEAKER_03: Like you still had all this patent medicine and stuff, which when they made them start listening, like you didn't know you just pick up like you know, Dr.
38:14
SPEAKER_03: Steve's, you know, elixir of life, you know, and it's like it just like has a bunch of morphine in it or cocaine or something, you know, something weird in it.
38:24
SPEAKER_03: It's like, oh yeah, yeah, no wonder it makes you a little paranoid and hyper and you can't sleep at night.
38:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
38:30
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
38:31
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
38:32
SPEAKER_02: So uh so yeah, things are just starting to deteriorate again for Duhaney.
38:38
SPEAKER_02: Uh later in the month, there's an incident where he um attacks some of his teammates.
38:42
SPEAKER_02: We don't know the details of what precipitated that.
38:46
SPEAKER_02: What we do know is that he goes home again, only this time it's not him leaving voluntarily, it's the pirates sending him back to his home in New England.
38:55
SPEAKER_02: They they have his brother, who's a clergyman, and his wife escort him back to his home in Massachusetts.
39:01
SPEAKER_02: He's placed under the care of a physician.
39:05
SPEAKER_02: And at this point, I'm not not sure what the pirates are thinking, right?
39:09
SPEAKER_02: Are they are they just done with him or probably more likely, are they hoping that maybe he can still come back for the World Series?
39:16
SPEAKER_02: After all, his home is in Massachusetts, is in the same place where they're going to be playing the Red Sox.
39:22
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, last time he went home, he kind of got his head straight for a while and was able to come back.
39:29
SPEAKER_02: Would he be able to do that again?
39:31
SPEAKER_02: You know, who knows what they're thinking at this point.
39:37
SPEAKER_02: So the season ends, the regular season ends, with Pittsburgh and Boston as the respective pennant winners.
39:42
SPEAKER_02: And the World Championship series is scheduled to begin on October 1st, 1903, at the Huntington Avenue grounds in Boston, between the Pirates and the Red Sox.
39:54
SPEAKER_02: And by the way, just for historical accuracy, it's not until 1908 that the team in Boston officially adopts the name Red Sox.
40:03
SPEAKER_02: In 1903, they don't really have an official nickname.
40:06
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes you'll see them called the Pilgrims, but they were often referred to as the Boston Americans simply because they were Boston's American League team.
40:14
SPEAKER_02: The Braves were the National League team in Boston at the time.
40:17
SPEAKER_02: So it's they were just the Boston American League team, the Boston Americans.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: But we're gonna refer to them as the Red Sox in this episode because it's the same franchise.
40:26
SPEAKER_02: So just throwing that out there.
40:29
SPEAKER_03: Always be the Boston Americans to me, Tim.
40:33
SPEAKER_03: I guess the Braves were the team Babe Ruth played for at the end of his career there.
40:39
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
40:39
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he played for both Boston teams.
40:41
SPEAKER_02: Oh wow, yeah, that is weird.
40:43
SPEAKER_02: He played for Yeah, he boy he bookended his career with both Boston teams.
40:46
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: Um so the World Series October 1st is the start date.
40:52
SPEAKER_02: The Pirates, they're in trouble before the series even starts.
40:55
SPEAKER_02: Uh Hannes Wagner, who's their best hitter, he's playing hurt.
40:59
SPEAKER_02: But the real trouble is with the pitching.
41:01
SPEAKER_02: So in 1903, we we talked about the the 28-game winner left.
41:06
SPEAKER_02: So the Pirates have a three-man rotation that year.
41:10
SPEAKER_02: They literally have three guys who start the vast majority of the games that year.
41:15
SPEAKER_02: Those three guys are Deacon Philippi, Sam Lever, and Ed Dohaney.
41:20
SPEAKER_03: That's not uncommon back then.
41:21
SPEAKER_03: Three-man rotations were pretty much the norm.
41:24
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
41:26
SPEAKER_02: So so that that's a strong three-man rotation that has led them to another first place finish.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: But as we know, Dohaney's not there.
41:34
SPEAKER_02: And Lever's hurt also.
41:36
SPEAKER_02: He had a bad arm, which is probably not good if you're a pitcher.
41:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh he may have injured it pitching, but there's a allegedly he went trap shooting and injured it there right before the series started.
41:48
SPEAKER_02: So that was a kind of a big controversy.
41:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure the talk show lines lit up for that one.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: Twitter went nuts.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: All the letters of the editor.
41:57
unknown: Yeah.
41:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
41:57
SPEAKER_02: What's Sam Lieber doing trapshooting right before the biggest?
42:00
SPEAKER_03: Indubitably it would have hurt our our uh what would you say, our chances in the great championship which is to come, you know.
42:10
SPEAKER_03: Trying to speak like early 20th century there, late 19th century.
42:15
SPEAKER_02: Well, and and yeah, I mean, but that I I I I can imagine, I mean, you know, think about like Ben Rothesberger on the motorcycle and stuff like that.
42:22
SPEAKER_02: You know, just just right before uh, you know, the the biggest time of the season, he apparently goes out and gets himself hurt doing something that's not baseball related.
42:33
SPEAKER_02: So that's again, you basically have one healthy pitcher out of those three heading into the World Series.
42:39
SPEAKER_02: Dohaney's still at home getting medical care when the series starts, and he's reportedly not doing well.
42:46
SPEAKER_02: The pirates send him his uniform as a gift, and the pirates apparently mean that to be like a nice gesture, like, hey, you're still part of the team, here's your uniform.
42:57
SPEAKER_02: He interprets it as meaning that the pirates are done with them and here's your stuff, kind of like like a cardboard box when someone's laid off from their job kind of thing.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: So it it's it's starting to feel like this hope that the pirates may have had that well, maybe he'll be back for the World Series or the middle of the World Series.
43:15
SPEAKER_02: That's starting to look less and less likely.
43:18
SPEAKER_02: Game one of the World Series pits Deacon Philippi of the Pirates against Boston's best pitcher, a guy you may have heard of named Cy Young.
43:27
SPEAKER_03: Yes, he is wow.
43:30
SPEAKER_03: Cy Young is around in pitching.
43:34
SPEAKER_02: He's he's not only around, he's 36 years old at this point.
43:37
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
43:38
SPEAKER_02: So he had he had been around for a while.
43:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:41
SPEAKER_02: I didn't realize Cy Young was that old.
43:43
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
43:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:44
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
43:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:46
SPEAKER_02: And and so he's he's definitely kind of on the back half of his career, but he's still very dominant.
43:51
SPEAKER_02: He led the American League and wins that year.
43:53
SPEAKER_03: Well, maybe he'll win his own award.
43:56
SPEAKER_03: Maybe something.
43:57
SPEAKER_03: I award myself the Cy Young Award.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: I Cy Young gave myself the Cy Young Award.
44:04
SPEAKER_02: And if you don't know much about Cy Young, the reason that award for the best picker is named after him is because Cy Young won, I believe it was 511 games in his career.
44:16
SPEAKER_03: A lot.
44:17
SPEAKER_03: It's like over 300.
44:19
SPEAKER_03: It's insane.
44:20
SPEAKER_03: That's a record to never be broken.
44:22
SPEAKER_02: Right.
44:23
SPEAKER_02: Right.
44:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's one of those records that's literally not possible to break.
44:28
SPEAKER_02: So Csai Young, you know, that's why we still know him today because again, there's a reason that award's named after him.
44:34
SPEAKER_02: He's a dominant pitcher.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: But in game one of the 1903 World Series, the Pirates jump all over him.
44:41
SPEAKER_02: They score four runs in the first inning and they cruise to a pretty easy 7-3 victory.
44:46
SPEAKER_02: The Pirates start lever in game two.
44:49
SPEAKER_02: As we said, he had he had that bad arm, and he gets shelled.
44:53
SPEAKER_02: The first at bat for the Red Sox is a home run.
44:55
SPEAKER_02: It's actually an inside-the-park home run, which, fun fact, that's a feat that won't be repeated until the year 2015.
45:02
SPEAKER_02: Somebody leading off a World Series game with an inside-the-park home run.
45:06
SPEAKER_02: The Kansas City Royals did it in 2015.
45:09
SPEAKER_02: But Lever doesn't even make it out of the first inning.
45:12
SPEAKER_02: He just gets destroyed.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: So now the series is tied one to one.
45:15
SPEAKER_02: Game three happens on October 3rd, which, if you're keeping track, is two days after Game 1.
45:21
SPEAKER_02: So they're just playing a game every day.
45:23
SPEAKER_02: And the Pirates have to start Philippi again because they don't have a choice.
45:28
SPEAKER_02: They don't trust any of their other pitchers enough.
45:30
SPEAKER_02: And this should have been Doheny's start, but he's not there.
45:35
SPEAKER_02: Amazingly, Philippi shuts down Boston again, and now the series goes back to Exposition Park in Pittsburgh.
45:42
SPEAKER_02: And in those days it obviously took a little longer to travel.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: Plus, there was some rain in Pittsburgh, and Steve, you talked in a previous episode about how Exposition Park was right on the bank of the Allegheny River and it it often flooded.
45:55
SPEAKER_02: I think you had that story of what Art Rooney almost drowned in the outfield.
45:59
SPEAKER_03: Well, there's no flood control either on the rivers.
46:02
SPEAKER_03: So and this is what September, October.
46:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it can get rainy in October, so the water might be up, yeah.
46:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so so they they actually have to postpone um a day or two.
46:16
SPEAKER_02: So game four is not until three days after game three.
46:20
SPEAKER_02: And guess who the pirates try off the pitch again versus Cy Young?
46:24
SPEAKER_02: It's Deacon Philippi.
46:26
SPEAKER_02: So wow.
46:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so Deacon Philippi starts three of the first four games of this World Series, and he guess what?
46:35
SPEAKER_02: He wins again.
46:36
SPEAKER_03: Dude, that rain is the best thing that ever happened to the Pirates right there.
46:41
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, well, yeah, exactly.
46:43
SPEAKER_02: And and just to recap, Deacon Philippi has thrown three complete game victories as of game four.
46:50
SPEAKER_03: Well, what do you what do you think his pitch counts do for the series at this point?
46:54
SPEAKER_03: 300, 200 pitches?
46:57
SPEAKER_02: I mean Yeah, I mean that that's insane.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: 27 innings of baseball in in three games.
47:04
SPEAKER_02: So that's that's amazing.
47:07
SPEAKER_02: Uh after that game four victory, the the fans at Exposition Park, they hoist Philippi on their shoulders, they carry him to the clubhouse.
47:14
SPEAKER_02: There's like a line for an hour to shake his hand.
47:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh he's quickly becoming a local sports hero.
47:21
SPEAKER_02: Games five and six are the next two days.
47:25
SPEAKER_02: And so at this point, yeah, Clark, either Clark or Philippi or both of them together decide he can't pitch anymore.
47:33
SPEAKER_02: He's got to rest his arm.
47:34
SPEAKER_02: The Pirates are also up three games to one, so they kind of have the luxury of doing that.
47:40
SPEAKER_03: It's a nine-game series, so you gotta win five games.
47:43
SPEAKER_03: It's not like you can't just win one.
47:46
SPEAKER_02: Sure, sure, sure, but you have a two-game lead.
47:50
SPEAKER_03: I don't know, this is a tough spot because they gotta win two more games.
47:54
SPEAKER_02: They gotta win two more games, but at some point you can't pitch the guy every single time.
47:58
SPEAKER_03: No, no, yeah, that's the problem.
48:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:02
SPEAKER_02: So, so game five, Lever still hurt.
48:05
SPEAKER_02: So the Pirates have a guy named Brickyard Kennedy, who's got an awesome name, but he's not a great pitcher.
48:12
SPEAKER_02: He's kind of a journeyman pitcher.
48:13
SPEAKER_02: He's actually playing in his final career season.
48:16
SPEAKER_02: And they send him to the mound to face Cy Young.
48:18
SPEAKER_02: And guess who gets the best of that one?
48:20
SPEAKER_02: How many games is this for Cy Young now?
48:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
48:25
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's why he again about starting 800 some odd games in his career.
48:32
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, but but yeah, Brickyard Kennedy's not going to beat Cy Young in the World Series.
48:36
SPEAKER_02: And so now it's three games to two.
48:39
SPEAKER_02: Game six is on a Thursday, and back then they played all the games during the day.
48:43
SPEAKER_02: There were no night games.
48:44
SPEAKER_02: There's no lights, Tim.
48:46
SPEAKER_03: They don't have lights.
48:47
SPEAKER_03: That's that's that's I mean, there's electricity.
48:50
SPEAKER_03: I mean, they do have electricity, although they might, I don't know if they electrified the street lights yet.
48:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they probably did.
48:57
SPEAKER_03: They're definitely not they definitely don't have bright enough lights to play.
49:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
49:01
SPEAKER_03: They don't even have I don't I don't even think the when was the Model T, not till later.
49:05
SPEAKER_03: So they don't even have a car.
49:07
SPEAKER_03: People are literally walking to the field or parking their horse outside.
49:16
SPEAKER_02: So so so yeah, so all the games are in on the daytime.
49:19
SPEAKER_02: This is game six is on a Thursday.
49:21
SPEAKER_02: So Barney Dreyfus goes to the Red Sox manager.
49:24
SPEAKER_02: He's like, hey, you know, people have to work on weekdays.
49:27
SPEAKER_02: How about we post postpone game six until Saturday, and then more people can come and we'll all make more money.
49:33
SPEAKER_02: That sounds like a good idea.
49:35
SPEAKER_02: Well, the Red Sox manager is having none of that because he's like, this isn't about making more money, this is about you trying to build in an extra two days so you can start Deacon Philippi again.
49:45
SPEAKER_02: Which, you know, I mean, to his credit, he's he's probably right.
49:49
SPEAKER_02: You know, that's that was probably the the the whole reason that Dreyfus proposed that was so he could get two more days' rest to try to start Philippi.
49:58
SPEAKER_02: And the Red Sox manager actually actually quoted in the newspaper.
50:01
SPEAKER_02: He says, quote, money alone does not actuate us.
50:04
SPEAKER_02: We can see nothing.
50:06
SPEAKER_03: I love the 19th century like talk.
50:08
SPEAKER_03: I just like I feel like I need a monocle.
50:11
SPEAKER_03: You should have a monocle, Tim, when you read this and like top hat.
50:15
SPEAKER_03: Oh, actuate us.
50:17
SPEAKER_03: We can see nothing, sir.
50:22
SPEAKER_03: Good day.
50:26
SPEAKER_03: I will play you on Friday.
50:31
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, so I mean that little ploy does not work.
50:37
SPEAKER_02: So now Sam Leaver's got to start game six, and he's literally grimacing every time he throws a pitch, and the Pirates lose again.
50:45
SPEAKER_02: So now the series is tied three to three.
50:48
SPEAKER_02: There's one more game left in Pittsburgh.
50:50
SPEAKER_02: It's game seven, which, but as you said, Steve, it's not at that it's a nine-game series, so that's not a deciding game seven.
50:57
SPEAKER_02: And the Pirates now have to put Philippi back on the mound.
51:01
SPEAKER_02: And it's a rematch of game one.
51:03
SPEAKER_02: It's it's Deacon Philippi versus Cy Young.
51:05
SPEAKER_02: This time, though, Philippi's just too spent from pitching, and the Red Sox win seven to three.
51:12
SPEAKER_02: So now the series heads back to Boston, they're up four games to three, all they have to do is win one of those final two games to win the title.
51:21
SPEAKER_02: So the Pirates up three games to one, now down four games to three.
51:27
SPEAKER_02: Back in Massachusetts, Ed Doheny, he's following the series, and when he hears the result of game seven that the Pirates lost, and now they're down to their final elimination game, uh, something snaps.
51:41
SPEAKER_02: We we mentioned he had a physician there.
51:44
SPEAKER_02: He throws the doctor out of the house headfirst through the front door and tells him to never come back.
51:50
SPEAKER_02: And and the doctor's pretty rattled, obviously, by that.
51:53
SPEAKER_02: So he goes to the police, and the police, the 1903 Boston police and all their wisdom, determine well, the man didn't want a doctor.
52:02
SPEAKER_02: That's not a crime.
52:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
52:05
SPEAKER_03: Definitely AMA at this point against medical advice.
52:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
52:12
SPEAKER_03: I I'm assuming there's no 302, but maybe I don't know.
52:16
SPEAKER_03: I think an involuntary commitment against your will for everybody doesn't know that.
52:23
SPEAKER_02: Well, even if even if there again, even if there was, the the the police at that time just determined, well, hey, sorry, he fired you.
52:32
SPEAKER_02: You know, big deal.
52:33
SPEAKER_02: Like you can't can't commit somebody or arrest somebody for that.
52:36
SPEAKER_02: It's a it's a gross miscalculation because the next day a nurse comes to the house for Dehaney.
52:42
SPEAKER_02: Now, I say nurse because that's what all the local newspapers called this guy at the time.
52:48
SPEAKER_02: Some later accounts say he was actually a well-known faith healer.
52:53
SPEAKER_02: So again, not quite sure what this guy's role was, if he was some kind of like alternative medicine guy, if he was truly a nurse.
53:00
SPEAKER_02: Regardless of what his actual role was, Doheny turns on him too.
53:06
SPEAKER_02: He uh has a cast iron stove leg hidden under his bed, and when the guy isn't looking, he attacks him with this uh cast iron stove leg and seriously injures him.
53:16
SPEAKER_02: And Doheny's wife freaks out, he runs in with their toddler eight son in her arms, screaming for him to stop.
53:23
SPEAKER_02: The police come and there's a huge standoff.
53:26
SPEAKER_02: Dohaney has a weapon, he's threatening to kill anyone who tries to come into the house.
53:31
SPEAKER_02: And ultimately, two police officers figure out a way to distract him enough for the police to overpower him and handcuff him.
53:39
SPEAKER_02: He's charged with aggravated assault and he's committed to the Denver State Asylum.
53:45
SPEAKER_02: So the day before, yeah, there was no voluntary or involuntary commitment, but now he's attacked and uh almost murdered somebody and now he's committed to a state asylum.
53:59
SPEAKER_02: The uh the nurse slash face healer guy does survive, although his injuries are are pretty severe.
54:05
SPEAKER_02: Um like literally, if if the police and and Dohaney's wife hadn't intervened, he would have just killed this guy.
54:12
SPEAKER_02: And here's a quote from his wife uh the next day.
54:17
SPEAKER_02: She says, quote, the ball games between Boston and Pittsburgh made Eddie go wrong.
54:23
SPEAKER_02: He could not stand the strain, and when he read that his old team was losing and he wasn't there, he just couldn't stand it.
54:29
SPEAKER_02: He used to moan when he would read about Lever's arm being bad and he wanted to rush away to the club.
54:34
SPEAKER_02: He was confident he could beat Boston, and when Boston began beating Pittsburgh, it was awful the way he felt.
54:40
SPEAKER_02: The news yesterday morning that Boston had again beaten Pittsburgh, making it four victories to three was entirely too much for Eddie.
54:49
SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, he's literally saying that the news of the Pirates going down four games to three made him you said, Steve, I think you used the term psychotic break.
54:59
SPEAKER_02: Sounds like he probably had that before this, but it's like it went to some other level.
55:06
SPEAKER_03: And now he's kind of blaming himself because he's not there.
55:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
55:10
SPEAKER_03: I like how they spell Pittsburgh in this article.
55:13
SPEAKER_02: That's how Pittsburgh was spelled back then.
55:16
SPEAKER_03: There was no formalized selling spelling, and then there was without an H there for years.
55:22
SPEAKER_03: That's how you can date things because there is a period of time.
55:26
SPEAKER_03: But there I think this might be before that.
55:29
SPEAKER_03: Because then they they got rid of the H and then they brought back the H.
55:33
SPEAKER_03: But Okay, okay.
55:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's a whole thing.
55:37
SPEAKER_03: But fun times.
55:39
SPEAKER_03: Fun times in the Bostons.
55:40
SPEAKER_03: You can beat the Bostons.
55:43
SPEAKER_03: I love the 19th century.
55:45
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
55:45
SPEAKER_03: Who does it?
55:46
SPEAKER_02: Well, definitely.
55:48
SPEAKER_02: Except for like mental health problems and I was I was gonna say, regardless of the the kind of the the the odd dialect and the weird spellings, obviously very sad.
55:58
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, they they had a they had a young son, and now, you know, with he's just beside herself because her husband is now you know committed to an asylum and and went completely nuts and and tried to kill somebody who really wasn't doing anything other than to come to take care of them.
56:19
SPEAKER_02: So that's that's incredibly sad.
56:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh while this is all happening, obviously, there's still a World Series going on.
56:27
SPEAKER_02: The Pirates are now in an elimination game in Boston, which is a tough place for them to play.
56:32
SPEAKER_02: Um it w in a previous episode, Steve, you had mentioned the Royal Rooters.
56:36
SPEAKER_02: That was the Boston fans, yeah.
56:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
56:39
unknown: Yeah.
56:39
SPEAKER_02: So it was this group of fans.
56:41
SPEAKER_02: I think they were they were um associated with a bar that was outside of this the ballpark there.
56:46
SPEAKER_02: I think it was called maybe McRevy's or something like that.
56:49
SPEAKER_02: There's this group of- I think it was called Cheers.
56:54
SPEAKER_02: Cliff Cleven was in there.
56:55
SPEAKER_02: Sam and Diane.
56:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
56:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
56:58
SPEAKER_02: It was this it was this group of guys that were pretty uh boisterous in rowdy.
57:04
SPEAKER_02: Uh and um actually, we're gonna play a clip here of uh Pirates Third Baseman, the description of these guys from Pirates Third Baseman Tommy Lee.
57:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was probably the wildest series ever played.
57:19
SPEAKER_04: Arguing all the time between the teams, between the players and the umpires, and especially between the players and the fans.
57:26
SPEAKER_04: That's the truth.
57:27
SPEAKER_04: The fans were part of the game in those days.
57:30
SPEAKER_04: They pulled right out onto the field and argue with the players and the umpires.
57:34
SPEAKER_04: It's sort of hard to keep the game going sometimes because they believe.
57:37
SPEAKER_04: least.
57:37
SPEAKER_04: I think those Boston fans actually won that series for the Pilgrims.
57:42
SPEAKER_04: We beat them three out of the first four games, and then they'd start singing that damn Tessie song.
57:47
SPEAKER_04: You could hardly play ball, they were singing Tessie so damn loud.
57:52
SPEAKER_04: Only instead of singing Tessie, I love you madly, they'd sing special lyrics.
57:56
SPEAKER_04: Like when Honus Wagner came to bat, they'd sing Honus, Why Do You Hit So Badly.
58:02
SPEAKER_04: Sort of got on your nerves after a while.
58:05
SPEAKER_03: Is that from Ken Burns baseball?
58:08
SPEAKER_03: It is from Ken Burns, yep.
58:10
SPEAKER_03: So that might have not actually been Tommy Leach.
58:12
SPEAKER_02: That was someone.
58:13
SPEAKER_02: No, that was not Tommy Leach.
58:14
SPEAKER_02: That's Tommy Leach, uh, somebody reading his recounting of the story, yes, correct.
58:19
SPEAKER_02: But but yeah, funny, funny, that's kind of like the 1903 equivalent of like Johnny Cueto dropping the ball, right?
58:26
SPEAKER_02: Like like he like it literally got to them.
58:29
SPEAKER_02: And and these guys, this Royal Rooters, they actually traveled to Pittsburgh, too.
58:33
SPEAKER_02: So they were Yeah, it was like a big thing, yeah.
58:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they were actually there for the Pittsburgh Games as well.
58:38
SPEAKER_02: Uh fun fact about the Royal Rooters, KFK's grandfather is one of their members.
58:44
SPEAKER_03: Oh, wow.
58:46
SPEAKER_03: So Kennedy, wow, that wouldn't have even been John Kennedy.
58:50
SPEAKER_02: That would have been that would have been Joe's father.
58:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was about to say that wasn't Joe Kennedy.
58:54
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
58:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
58:55
SPEAKER_02: He was a member of the Royal Rooters.
58:57
SPEAKER_03: And this is they must have this is before they made their fortune, too, right?
59:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because yeah.
59:03
SPEAKER_03: Prohibition was not till 19 after the war.
59:08
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
59:09
SPEAKER_03: Well, there you go.
59:10
SPEAKER_03: They were just some Royal Rooters back then.
59:13
SPEAKER_03: No, no presidential aspirations for them yet.
59:17
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
59:19
SPEAKER_02: So the game eight starter for the pirates.
59:21
SPEAKER_02: Any guesses on who that is, Steve?
59:23
SPEAKER_03: Well, looking at your note, I get the feeling it it I think it came down to a choice of like three people.
59:30
SPEAKER_03: Deacon Philippi, Deacon Philippy, or Deacon Philippee.
59:35
SPEAKER_03: And then maybe Deacon Philippi out of the bullpen.
59:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
59:38
SPEAKER_03: Right.
59:39
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, Deacon Philippi is your game eight starter.
59:42
SPEAKER_02: He's exhausted.
59:44
SPEAKER_02: He does pitch okay.
59:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh he only gives up three runs, which isn't terrible.
59:48
SPEAKER_02: But he gets zero run support, and the Pirates lose three to nothing, and that's it.
59:53
SPEAKER_02: That's the series.
59:54
SPEAKER_02: The Red Sox win the World Series.
59:56
SPEAKER_02: And the Pirates just ran out of pitchers.
59:59
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they just ran out of guys.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_02: They're also not very good in some other areas.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_02: They they did make 13 errors in the final four games, and they only bat 237 for the series.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_02: So they're not exactly um helping uh at the plate.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_02: Wagner, we mentioned Hannes Wagner came into the series hurt.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_02: He has a terrible series.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_02: He says that he was, quote, a joke in that series, and he failed anytime he needed a clutch hit, he failed.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_02: So he's really down on himself.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_02: It's a real low point in his career.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_02: And uh and that's it.
1:00:33
SPEAKER_02: The Pirates lose that World Series.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_02: So um let's talk about the the kind of the aftermath of that.
1:00:42
SPEAKER_02: Um it's a happier ending for Philippine Wagner.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_02: They do eventually lead the Pirates to a World Series title against Detroit six years later, and they both end up in the Hall of Fame.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_02: Barney Dreyfus, he really endears himself to the players when he gives his share of the gate receipts of that World Series back to the players.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_02: And it's funny because the Pirates players actually end up making more money for losing the World Series than the Red Sox players make for winning it.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh so that kind of that that's a I mean that says a lot about what kind of person Barney Dreyfus was, right?
1:01:18
SPEAKER_02: Giving the basically giving his revenue for the World Series back to the players.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_02: At a time, like you said, Steve, the uh the reserve, that's what it was called.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_02: The reserve clause, yeah.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the reserve clause, you you basically own people, you could treat them like cattle, and he's giving them money he doesn't have to.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh in 33 seasons of Dreyfus owning the team, the Pirates won six pennants and two World Series.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_02: Thirty-three years is almost as long as the McClatchy Nutting era, which has produced zero of those things.
1:01:48
SPEAKER_02: Uh Dreyfus also builds Forbes Field in 1909, which is pretty significant.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_02: And Philippi and Wagner are pallbearers at his funeral when he passes away in 1932.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_02: The National Baseball Commission, that panel that was going to govern the two leagues, that's dissolved in 1920 after the the Black Sox scandal that you mentioned before, Steve, the the eight man out thing.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_02: And it's replaced with a singular commissioner, which is how the sports government today.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_02: And it and it's all Mount Landis.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_03: was was the guy.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_03: He was Very racist guy.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_03: Not not not that great.
1:02:28
SPEAKER_03: Well, he clean he cleaned up baseball, but he didn't let any African Americans play.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_03: So I guess you take the good with the bad, I guess.
1:02:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, kind of kind of a yeah, checkered history there for that guy.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh there's no World Series played in 1904, but starting in 1905, it does become an annual event, which is still played today, obviously.
1:02:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, as for Ed De Haney, he languages in the mental hospital.
1:02:54
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, th those places back then, I really can't imagine.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure the conditions were not good.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_02: This was around the time that Nellie Bly wrote that famous expose about asylums.
1:03:06
SPEAKER_02: I think that was about 10 years before this.
1:03:08
SPEAKER_02: So maybe there had been some reforms by this point, but they're still doing things like electroshock therapy.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_03: They still don't really do electroshock therapy.
1:03:19
SPEAKER_03: I was shocked to find that out.
1:03:21
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
1:03:21
SPEAKER_03: It's much more refined, like, because you figure electronics have come along, but it's much more refined now.
1:03:27
SPEAKER_03: And now they have like they didn't have any of the um psych psych psychiatric meds that they have now.
1:03:35
unknown: Okay.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, there was really nothing they could do for these people besides lock them up for their own good.
1:03:43
SPEAKER_03: You know, you had places like Bedlam and stuff.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_03: There wasn't much you could do to help somebody that was really sick or schizophrenic, or you know, believe that people were out to get him.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_03: Like he obviously he either had schizophrenia and it finally manifested.
1:03:57
SPEAKER_03: How old was he?
1:03:58
SPEAKER_03: He was in his twenties.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_03: So I mean, that's kind of a late onset, but that's not uncommon or unheard of.
1:04:06
SPEAKER_03: So and like it could have been our environmental too.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_03: He could have got into something bad, but I feel bad for him.
1:04:13
SPEAKER_03: I mean, it it just, you know, if he if he would have been alive today, maybe they could have got him on some medications and got him right.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, and that that's a good that's an interesting, you know, i if that were today, could could he have been helped?
1:04:28
SPEAKER_02: You know, there's there's no guarantee of that, right?
1:04:31
SPEAKER_02: I mean, if if if he had something that that was that wrong, maybe if it couldn't have been fixed.
1:04:38
SPEAKER_02: But definitely back then, you know, i again, I mentioned Nellie Bly.
1:04:42
SPEAKER_02: There's a there's a they just recently put a statue of her at the airport, and and that that story's very interesting.
1:04:48
SPEAKER_02: She like had herself committed as like an undercover reporter or two, um, to write about the conditions in these mental hospitals, and it was really, really, really ugly.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_02: And to your point, Steve, that's all they could kind of do was lock people up.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_03: And they had these things called cribs, and they weren't like a crib, like a baby.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_03: It looked like a cot, but it was like a four-sided cage.
1:05:10
SPEAKER_03: It almost looked like a dog kennel, and they would put people in there.
1:05:13
SPEAKER_03: And be because, like, you know, to keep them from like, you know, when somebody's in that kind of state, like a manic state like that, they're gonna lash out like he did that one guy with a poker.
1:05:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
1:05:23
SPEAKER_03: Or they'll harm themselves, they'll start like clawing at their eyes or banging their head off the wall, or you know, there's a reason they put people in padded rooms.
1:05:32
SPEAKER_03: It wasn't just because they thought it was fun or straitjackets, is because they had no medications.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_03: Now they would give them medications that would control those behaviors, you know.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_03: But back then they just didn't have the advances in modern medicine that they do.
1:05:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's that's a good point.
1:05:48
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you you can say the conditions were terrible, but kind of what else were they gonna do, right?
1:05:53
SPEAKER_02: What else does it always easy?
1:05:55
SPEAKER_03: Just think like a hundred years from now, people look back at like the medications where Giving them now and be like, oh my goodness, I can't believe they gave them that for that, you know, because it's gonna advance that much further.
1:06:05
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, you always gotta have a little bit of perspective when you look into things like this.
1:06:10
SPEAKER_03: Not that there didn't need to be improvements and all that, you know.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_03: There definitely were somebody, you know, definitely was probably mistreating people and such, but I don't know.
1:06:22
SPEAKER_02: Dohaney's wife writes in 1905 that he quote shows no signs of improvement and is no longer able to recognize anybody, despite the fact that he had frequent family and friends and and former teammates all visiting him.
1:06:36
SPEAKER_02: Uh Dohaney dies in 1916 at the age of 43, apparently totally unaware that he'd ever been a major league ball player for a championship contender.
1:06:45
SPEAKER_03: That's a really sad, yeah.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_03: It's really sad.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_03: Like that's unbelievable that somebody could deteriorate to that, deteriorate to that condition.
1:06:55
SPEAKER_03: But yeah.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_02: It's it's we talked about our our last episode when we were talking about the the uh 2004 draft, we were talking about a lot of what-ifs.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_02: And there's so many what-ifs here because the the pirates, you know, again, they had a three games to one lead without two of their three pitchers.
1:07:17
SPEAKER_02: If if Doheny is able to pitch in that series, they probably win.
1:07:22
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they probably beat Boston.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_02: And then they're they're they're just an outright dynasty.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that that would be three consecutive pennants and also the first ever World Series title.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_02: You know, so so basically they're the best team in the National League, they've beaten the best team in the American League.
1:07:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, that's that's a that's an all-time team.
1:07:44
SPEAKER_02: And as it stands, because they lose that series, it's really not.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_03: Well, that would have been a third World Series, too.
1:07:51
SPEAKER_03: They would have won that World Series, then maybe they still win the one in 1908.
1:07:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that would have uh wow.
1:07:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that would have been Yeah.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_02: Again, just a lot of what ifs and and again, a lot of this does center around you know, we mentioned they weren't they weren't hitting as well, and and Hannes Wagner was hurt and they made a bunch of errors, but if they would have got the pitching they had gotten all season from from Doheny, they they again they were up three games to one, they probably win that series.
1:08:22
SPEAKER_02: So it's it's just it's it's it's a sad story for obviously for the team because that that literally probably cost them not only a championship but a place in history.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_02: But it's obviously even a sadder story for you know this guy and his family and and everybody that cared about him.
1:08:41
SPEAKER_02: Um just really unfortunate.
1:08:43
SPEAKER_02: And one of those things that I don't think people remember, I think people, you know, I think it's fairly well known maybe that the Pirates played in that first ever World Series, but Yeah, the details, all the details, yeah, are kind of lost.
1:08:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_02: You know, and then they lost to Boston.
1:09:00
SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, they lost.
1:09:01
SPEAKER_02: Well, they lost because they they ran out of pitchers.
1:09:04
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they literally just ran out of guys.
1:09:07
SPEAKER_02: Uh and that's that's really the main reason they lost.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I know Tommy Leach blamed it on the fans, but come on.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, if they if they would have had if they would have had to haney, they'd probably win the series.
1:09:20
SPEAKER_03: It was those fans in that darn song.
1:09:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:09:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, changing the lyrics to the song.
1:09:28
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, anyway, kind of a bummer, but again, kind of one of those those stories you don't know of.
1:09:35
SPEAKER_02: And and to me, they're just that stories like that are fascinating.
1:09:39
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