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Skye Wheatley’s "Secret Love Affair"? · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
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  Speaker 2: news twice a week.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Kate Torber. And I'm Sophie Torber and coming up
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  Speaker 1: on today's.
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  Speaker 2: Show, Georgie Stevenson's Black Friday blunder, Matt Poole and Annalise
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  Speaker 2: Oatway's wedding bombshell, Sophia Begg's copycat controversy and Matt Sikowsky's.
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  Speaker 1: Run-in with Tammy Hembrough.
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  Speaker 2: But first, Sky Wheatley is the latest influencer caught up
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  Speaker 2: in a feud with former Allure owner Olivia O'Neill. The
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  Speaker 2: controversial business owner put the former Big Brother contestant on
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  Speaker 2: blast just two weeks after holidaying together in Bali.
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  Speaker 1: Kate, can you tell us more?
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  Speaker 2: I had a feeling that this was only a matter
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  Speaker 2: of time after Olivia revealed Sky had asked her not
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  Speaker 2: to post with.
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  Speaker 1: Her during that trip.
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  Speaker 2: According to Olivia, Sky told her it was best that
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  Speaker 2: they weren't seen together as associating with her following the
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  Speaker 2: Allure drama wasn't good for her personal brand. I just
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  Speaker 2: thought that was a strange comment because I feel like
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  Speaker 2: Sky Wheatley's personal brand has always been chaotic. If anything,
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  Speaker 2: I think that their personal brand's line up quite well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: And at the time, Olivia didn't seem too bothered by it,
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  Speaker 2: but clearly it was a point of contention. Now it's
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  Speaker 2: unclear what has gone down behind the scenes since that trip,
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  Speaker 2: but Olivia has dramatically vowed to never speak to Sky again.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't want to know me because my life's on
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  Speaker 3: a downfall.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, I don't associate with this babe.
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  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, she's literally getting done for drink driving when she's
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  Speaker 3: got two kids.
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  Speaker 4: What is your rhyme, tragic?
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  Speaker 3: Because fuck off. You don't want to know me on
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  Speaker 3: my downfall? You're not knowing me on my peak.
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  Speaker 4: Fuck off.
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  Speaker 2: Even though that is littered with profanities, there is an
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  Speaker 2: element of truth to all of that. I think that
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  Speaker 2: Sky should have just embraced the chaos on the trip
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  Speaker 2: and just gone for it.
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  Speaker 1: Because people want to tune into that. Particularly because, as you.
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  Speaker 2: Said, Sky Wheatley's brand is quite chaotic and people forgive
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  Speaker 2: her so easily. And I think, as you said, it
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  Speaker 2: would have added a bit of entertainment to her channel.
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  Speaker 1: A bit of spark.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Olivia went on to post some apparent receipts about
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  Speaker 2: Sky on her Instagram story that were quickly deleted. For
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  Speaker 2: full transparency, we didn't see them before they were removed
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  Speaker 2: and we can't find screenshots. Olivia claims, though, it was
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  Speaker 2: Sky and her team that worked in overdrive to get
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  Speaker 2: them removed from social media. Despite that, Olivia has not
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  Speaker 2: backed down. She told her 7,000 followers that Sky allegedly
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  Speaker 2: called her bipolar and racist, as well as accused her
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  Speaker 2: of owing her money. Now, Olivia claims Sky actually owes
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  Speaker 2: her hundreds of dollars. If that wasn't enough, Olivia came
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  Speaker 2: out with another explosive claim. So she alleges that she
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  Speaker 2: and Sky had a love affair. So she claims that
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  Speaker 2: Sky wanted to be with her, but Olivia wanted to
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  Speaker 2: pursue things with her now ex, Harley. For those who
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  Speaker 2: are new here, Harley was at the centre of the
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  Speaker 2: Allure drama a few weeks ago. He is the brother
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  Speaker 2: of Allure worker Mariah. Now, Mariah was allegedly showed footage
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  Speaker 2: of Olivia and her brother having sex.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, that's any sister's worst nightmare. No one
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  Speaker 1: wants to see that.
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  Speaker 2: No, I bet you Mariah is absolutely thrilled at this
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  Speaker 2: revelation that they have broken up. But can you imagine
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  Speaker 2: Harley having to come crawling back to his family and
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  Speaker 2: It obviously created such a divide between them. It does
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  Speaker 2: seem like all of the drama caused the breakup. Olivia
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  Speaker 2: said things got too much for Hartley. Since then, Olivia
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  Speaker 2: has come out and aired a bunch of accusations against
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  Speaker 2: him too.
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  Speaker 1: We actually don't have time to go into all of
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  Speaker 1: that drama.
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  Speaker 2: As you said, Kate, if you literally click on Olivia
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  Speaker 2: O'Neill's Instagram account, it's just hundreds of dots. Like it
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  Speaker 2: takes you so long to get through. all of her
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  Speaker 2: Instagram stories, but there is gold amongst it. Also the
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  Speaker 2: fact that the accusations she made against Harley were quite defamatory.
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  Speaker 1: Now back to Olivia and Skye.
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  Speaker 2: This is what Olivia said about her supposed relationship with her.
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  Speaker 3: No, Skye was just simply jealous of me because her
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  Speaker 3: and I had like a bit of a love affair
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  Speaker 3: and she was jealous that he was coming in and
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  Speaker 3: I wanted nothing to do with her in that aspect.
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  Speaker 3: She wanted to be with me and I was like, no,
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  Speaker 3: I want to be with Harley.
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  Speaker 4: So no, I know it wasn't sincere.
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  Speaker 3: She just hated him because he was a man that
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  Speaker 3: wanted me. But no matter what he was doing or
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  Speaker 3: how good he was, she just wanted me.
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  Speaker 4: All to herself.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Olivia went on to say that Sky had deep
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  Speaker 2: feelings for her and wanted them to be together, but
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  Speaker 2: the feelings weren't mutual and she wanted to be friends. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Sky has previously spoken about her sexuality and In a
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  Speaker 2: podcast interview in 2022, she described herself as bisexual, while
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  Speaker 2: in 2025 on her own podcast, she said that she
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  Speaker 2: believes she could be pansexual. She spoke about how she
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  Speaker 2: connects with people's personalities before their looks or gender. God,
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have Sky and Olivia just been a cracker of
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  Speaker 2: a couple? Like, I just wish things had worked out,
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  Speaker 2: at least for a couple of months between them.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine? the Instagram stories and the cameos in
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  Speaker 1: each other's stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're just too similar to have a successful
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  Speaker 2: relationship though. I don't think you can have two chaotic people.
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  Speaker 2: You need someone that's more grounded and then the chaotic person.
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  Speaker 4: I don't expect you to understand a lot of what
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  Speaker 4: I'm about to say until you're a little bit older,
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  Speaker 4: but it didn't feel right standing up here to marry
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  Speaker 4: your dad without making some promises to you too.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Poole and Annalise Oatway are the latest influencer couple
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  Speaker 2: to reveal they officially got married in a private civil ceremony.
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  Speaker 2: The pair announced they actually tied the knot six months
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  Speaker 2: prior to their recent beachside wedding on the Gold Coast.
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  Speaker 2: In a joint Instagram post, they wrote, oh yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: forgot to tell you, we actually got married back in April.
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  Speaker 2: I was so confused when this post popped up because
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  Speaker 2: I was like, hang on, they got married in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like they got married overseas. There was no
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  Speaker 2: obvious need for this civil ceremony. It turns out though,
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  Speaker 2: The reason was down to who they wanted as a celebrant.
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  Speaker 2: So they really wanted their friend Jack to marry them.
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  Speaker 2: But because he wasn't technically a celebrant, they decided to
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  Speaker 2: do the legal side of things earlier. I also wonder
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  Speaker 2: if they were swayed because it does seem very on
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  Speaker 2: trend now to have a civil ceremony. It almost gives
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  Speaker 2: you two bites of the cherry. You get two different
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  Speaker 2: wedding looks, two different days to celebrate. And I have
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  Speaker 2: to say, Annalise looked absolutely stunning. Every wedding look she's had,
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  Speaker 2: I like that it's been different from what everyone else
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  Speaker 2: has done. And she just looks so elegant. Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: love the set she was wearing. And as you touched on,
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  Speaker 2: it was a very chic civil ceremony. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: trend we're seeing online at the moment. This wasn't a
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  Speaker 2: situation where they just went down to a courthouse and
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  Speaker 2: got the piece of paper signed. They rented out a
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  Speaker 2: really beautiful hotel room. And what was extra cute is
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  Speaker 2: that they had two of their friends who were unable
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  Speaker 2: to make the official wedding.
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  Speaker 1: There as the witnesses. I'm impressed they managed to keep
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  Speaker 1: this a secret for six months.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine sitting on these incredible photos and having
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  Speaker 2: to wait to post them?
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  Speaker 1: Like it would have been killing me personally.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't do what Lily Brown did
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  Speaker 2: and drop them first.
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: I actually didn't like that Lily Brown did that because
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  Speaker 2: I thought it took any excitement away from the bigger ceremony.
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  Speaker 5: True.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like, I mean, I kind of checked out
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  Speaker 2: of it once I had already seen what she wore
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  Speaker 2: at the first wedding. Yeah, and it also made me
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  Speaker 2: a bit disappointed for the official bridal look That was
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  Speaker 2: quite a contentious opinion we had, Sophie, after we dropped
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  Speaker 2: that episode saying, oh, we were a bit like ho-hum
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  Speaker 2: about Lily Brown's dress. We had heaps of people messaging
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  Speaker 2: us saying, oh my God, it was the best influencer
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  Speaker 2: dress I've ever seen. But it just goes to show
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  Speaker 2: everyone's got an opinion. I mean, I'm not saying it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't beautiful, but I think it was because she had
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  Speaker 2: such a cool civil ceremony look that I was expecting
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  Speaker 2: more of that vibe, not such a flowy dress. Getting
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  Speaker 2: back to Annalise and Matt, when they dropped their first
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  Speaker 2: lot of wedding photos, Some followers noticed that they had
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  Speaker 2: 1803 engraved inside their wedding bands and people were like,
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  Speaker 2: what does that mean? Annalise confirmed that it actually was
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  Speaker 2: the hotel room number of where they officially got married.
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  Speaker 2: I love that detail. I feel like that was a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a Taylor Swift Easter egg that they dropped.
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  Speaker 2: Very much Taylor Swift vibes. I mean, we're still waiting
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  Speaker 2: for her wedding photos. But anyway, we can't talk about
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  Speaker 2: Matt and Annalise's wedding without touching on the vows Annalise
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  Speaker 2: read to her stepdaughter, Posey. Now, Posey is, of course,
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  Speaker 2: the daughter of Tammy Hembrough. Matt and Tammy had Posey
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  Speaker 2: together shortly before breaking up. And Annalise has been in
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  Speaker 2: Posey's life since she was a baby. And she really
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  Speaker 2: has taken the role of stepmom very seriously. It's been
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  Speaker 2: beautiful to watch it play out online. And Annalise ended
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  Speaker 2: up sharing a snippet of the vows she gave to
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  Speaker 2: Posey to social media. And they have gone absolutely viral.
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  Speaker 2: At the time of recording, they have had over 6
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  Speaker 2: million views. Let's take a listen to some of what
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  Speaker 2: Annalise said.
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  Speaker 4: From the very beginning, daddy always made it clear that
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  Speaker 4: you two came as a package deal. and you have been,
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  Speaker 4: without a doubt, the greatest deal I've ever made. You
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  Speaker 4: didn't grow in my belly, but you grew in my heart,
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  Speaker 4: and now I couldn't imagine my life without you in it.
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  Speaker 4: You were my first experience of motherhood, and no matter
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  Speaker 4: how big you get, you'll always be my first baby.
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  Speaker 4: And I hope you know just how special that makes
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  Speaker 4: you to me. So today, while I make promises to
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  Speaker 4: your daddy, I want to make some promises to you too.
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  Speaker 4: I promise to always be your friend, your guiding light,
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  Speaker 4: and your safe space. I promise to listen to you,
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  Speaker 4: to help you when you need me, to cheer you
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  Speaker 4: on and to remind you always how loved you are.
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  Speaker 4: And no matter what wild ride life takes us on,
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  Speaker 4: you will always have a safe place to come home
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  Speaker 4: to with your daddy, Parker and I. A home where
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  Speaker 4: you're wanted, where you belong and where you will always
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  Speaker 4: be loved. I may not have been there for the
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  Speaker 4: beginning of your story, but I feel so lucky that
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  Speaker 4: I get to be here for the rest of my life.
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  Speaker 4: I can't wait to keep watching you grow, to see
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  Speaker 4: the person you become and to be right here beside
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  Speaker 4: you through all of it. Being your lease is one
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  Speaker 4: of my greatest privileges. I love you so much, Rosie.
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  Speaker 1: What is wrong with me?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't cry at my own wedding and I'm just
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  Speaker 2: tearing up listening to that.
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  Speaker 1: It was so beautiful. Oh, I, again, I am the same.
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  Speaker 2: Like that was so beautifully put and I do have
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  Speaker 2: tears welling up in my eye because I think we've
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  Speaker 2: never really seen such a beautiful public portrayal of a
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  Speaker 2: stepmother and stepdaughter relationship. And I think it's so important
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  Speaker 2: for people to see it and to see that it
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  Speaker 2: can be a positive relationship. My son's at the stage
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  Speaker 2: where we're reading a lot of fairy tales. And it's
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  Speaker 2: only when you read them back as an adult that
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  Speaker 2: you realize what a bad rap stepmoms have always gotten. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. You've got Cinderella.
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  Speaker 2: And as you said, it's so nice to see a
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  Speaker 2: positive portrayal of a stepparent relationship online. Now, the reaction
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  Speaker 2: to that video was of overwhelming support. The video has
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  Speaker 2: attracted 444,000 likes and over 2,000 comments. Disappointingly, though, for
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  Speaker 2: some bizarre reason, a handful of people tried to twist
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  Speaker 2: Annalise's words and said that she was making digs at
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  Speaker 2: Tammy Hembrough. This is despite Tammy's sister, Emily, commenting such
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  Speaker 2: special words. Now, Annalise was forced to respond to the
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  Speaker 2: criticism and she clarified a few points and She firstly
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  Speaker 2: explained that the reason she shared the video was because
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  Speaker 2: there's so little positive representations of step-parents and blended families.
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  Speaker 2: She wrote, I wanted to show that this kind of
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  Speaker 2: love exists, that you can love a child you didn't
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  Speaker 2: give birth to with your whole heart. She then went
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  Speaker 2: on to address the criticism, writing, Some people have insinuated
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  Speaker 2: that parts of my vows were digs at Poe's mum.
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  Speaker 2: This is so disappointing because sometimes it feels like I
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  Speaker 2: can't do anything loving for Poe without people turning it
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  Speaker 2: into something that it's not. The things I referenced were
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  Speaker 2: actually about my own upbringing, my experiences and the things
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  Speaker 2: I never want Poe to feel growing up. They were
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  Speaker 2: promises to her, not commentary on anyone else's parenting. She
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  Speaker 2: finished up by writing, I am not Poe's mum and
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  Speaker 2: never will be. She has a mum who loves her
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  Speaker 2: and her mum knows it's never been a competition between us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm simply another person in her corner who loves her
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  Speaker 2: and wants the absolute best for her. Now her comment
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  Speaker 2: got over 9,000 likes. I just think it's so sad
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  Speaker 2: that Annalise has to even come out and defend those
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  Speaker 2: vows because I think that Tammy is so lucky to
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  Speaker 2: have someone like Annalise in her daughter's life who cares
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  Speaker 2: so deeply for her and who is putting her daughter first.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty disappointing that people want to jump to the
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  Speaker 2: conclusion that the only reason that Annalise is publicly showing
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  Speaker 2: displays of love to her stepdaughter must be because she's
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  Speaker 2: trying to get back at Tammy Hembrough. Like how absolutely
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous and offensive. It was the same when Annalise posted
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  Speaker 2: a birthday message for Posey and people tried to twist
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  Speaker 2: that as, you know, something that it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: It just irritates me.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, can we just not celebrate a positive example of,
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  Speaker 2: of a step-parent relationship.
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  Speaker 1: As she touched on, she was talking about her own experience.
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  Speaker 2: I think that some people aren't aware that Annalise also
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  Speaker 2: has a stepmother and she didn't have a particularly good
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  Speaker 2: relationship with her growing up. And I think that's one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons why it's been so important for her
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  Speaker 2: to be a positive influence in Posey's life and really
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  Speaker 2: make her feel welcomed and loved. I feel like it's
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  Speaker 2: slightly gendered as well, because I feel like if a
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  Speaker 2: man was stepping in and being such a positive step-parent
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  Speaker 2: to a child, it would be much more celebrated. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if it is because of Disney and all
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  Speaker 2: of these negative portrayals of stepmoms that we've got this
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  Speaker 2: negative connotation. And we also, as a society, like to
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  Speaker 2: pit women against each other. So I think that also
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  Speaker 2: plays an element in this. It's like when Matt Zukowski
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  Speaker 2: married Tammy and everyone was like, oh, that's so fantastic
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  Speaker 2: that Wolf is going to have another father figure in
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  Speaker 2: his life and a male role model.
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  Speaker 1: No one compared Reese and Matt.
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  Speaker 2: No one was like, oh, Matt's gunning to take over
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  Speaker 2: from Reese.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone was just positive about it.
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  Speaker 6: Wanted to address this as soon as possible. So last
• 13:19
  Speaker 6: night we posted our Black Friday campaign. This is a
• 13:23
  Speaker 6: really big deal for us. We're doing 40% off. It's
• 13:26
  Speaker 6: something we never do. It's a huge deal for us.
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  Speaker 6: And my team said, let's do something outside of the box.
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: Georgie Stevenson has been forced to pivot her brand's Black
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: Friday promotion after an unfortunate casting decision. An ad for
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: NU Harvest starring Love Island's Shawnee Sheehan went live just
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: as the reality contestant body shamed a fellow Islander on
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 1: Kate, can you get us across what's gone down?
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  Speaker 2: So it all started over a kissing challenge in the villa. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Shawnee is coupled up with a guy called Lockie, who
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  Speaker 2: is not very popular. He's playing the field. He's making
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  Speaker 2: her feel insecure. You can tell that she's into him
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  Speaker 2: a bit more than he's into her. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 2: a typical fuckboy really, isn't it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And what happened was another contestant called Jordan ended up
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  Speaker 2: kissing Shawnee. And in retaliation, Lockie then kissed Jordan's partner, Ava.
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  Speaker 2: So it was all a bit of a, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a love square going on. So after the challenge, Shawnee
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  Speaker 2: wasn't happy about it. She brought it up with Lockie
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  Speaker 2: and she said this.
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  Speaker 1: Grabbing a flat-ass... No, I'm being a little bit mean, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm salty. It's definitely nothing to yours, but.
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  Speaker 2: She's got those, she doesn't have that.
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  Speaker 3: I like that though better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, better than fake tits.
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  Speaker 4: Fake tits, fake lips, fake everything. No, I.
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  Speaker 5: Actually like her.
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  Speaker 2: Just not with you. The producers would have been absolutely
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: rubbing their hands together when Shawnee dropped this because This
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  Speaker 2: is what Love Island Australia needs. It needs some eyeballs
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  Speaker 2: on it. It needs headlines and think pieces and attention.
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  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what this has brought.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it was very maths-esque, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 4: It was.
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  Speaker 2: And I think what is most disappointing about Shawnee's comments
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: is she's actually a women's fitness coach. Can you imagine
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: being her client and hearing her talk about women's bodies
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: like this? And this isn't an isolated incident either. She's
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: called Ava a bitch and and questioned if she's that
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: hot in previous episodes. I was so shocked to hear
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: these comments because I feel like in recent years, reality
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: contestants have been so filtered and considered in what they've said.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: They're so aware that the cameras are there and they
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: really want to have a career outside of the show.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: So they're very careful in not saying the wrong thing.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: It was almost like it slipped out.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: And I think what made it such a particularly hard
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: watch is We know conversations like this go on behind
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: women's backs a lot. And I really liked Abby Chatfield's
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: take on it because she was talking about how Shawnee's
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: comments all stem from insecurity. And it's this guy playing
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: these two girls off each other.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: But this is just not the way to respond.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't have to bring another female down in this
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: situation because ultimately what you're doing is objectifying yourself and
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: this other woman.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: And it's so true.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: And I know conversations like that would happen all the
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: time between girls because often girls feel like they're pitted
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: against each other and their competition. In reality, what are
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: you fighting for? This guy who is treating you both
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: like shit. This is a really odd one for Love
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Island because as an avid viewer, most of the time
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: we see the girls becoming best friends.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: And having each other's backs. And generally they call out.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: The guy's douchey behavior, not the other woman. Yeah, it
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't what I was expecting at all. And I'm pretty
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: sure Georgie Stevenson wasn't expecting Shawnee to drop comments like
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: this when she hired her as a actor in her
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Black Friday promotion. So in terrible timing, Georgie Stevenson's commercial
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: featuring Shawnee dropped the same day as those comments aired. Now,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Georgie says that this campaign cost her $ 10, 000 to produce.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: She said that rather than doing an AI campaign, that
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: they decided to do this high production ad and they
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: booked actors and they, you know, booked a whole film
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: crew and a studio. Now, according to Georgie, this ad
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: is a big deal because it's the first time her
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: business New Harvest is actually giving 40% off. And this
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: ad has been quite some time in the making. They
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: actually filmed it back in September and And this was
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: just when Shawnee had finished filming on Love Island. And
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Georgie made a point to say, look, we booked her
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: as an actor, not as talent. I'm glad that Georgie
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: made that distinction. I think it was an important one
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to make because I was really confused when I heard
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: about this drama unfolding because I was like, wow, Georgie
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Stevenson's really on it to already have someone from Love
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Island as talent. in her recent campaign. Because you're like, wow,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: she must really resonate with this person on the show.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Well, Georgie Stevenson had to come out and say, we
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: do not align with what Shawnee said. She announced that
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: they were pivoting their campaign. Let's take a listen to
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: more of what she said.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: For us, we have always been about female empowerment. We
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: have always wanted to welcome everyone into our community and
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: celebrate all bodies, no matter what. So This is so
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: unaligned to our brand and our values and what we
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: stand for. And even though Shawnee was just a model,
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: you know, we were not trying to use her name
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: or anything like that.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: She's still front and center of our campaign. So we
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: have made the.
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: Decision that we will not be sharing any more content
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: of this campaign.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Now, Georgie went on to explain that this video was
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the basis of their whole strategy and they have a
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: lot more content to share, but they won't be doing so.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: What I found particularly interesting, though, is they're still keeping
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: up the original video. It's not like they've deleted it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: They're just saying, oh, we're not going to share any
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: more content from this shoot.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought that.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: They had scrapped it completely, deleted it off their account.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: That's different.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I think if you're going to say that this person
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't align with us, you've got to remove the video completely.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: We've got to remember though, that Georgie Stevenson is a
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: very clever businesswoman and she is making lemonade out of
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: lemons at the moment because to jump on and publicly
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: condemn Shawnee's behavior is actually great for her brand. She
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: has copped a lot of praise for the way she's
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: handled it. It's been a great branding exercise. I almost
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: think this has been a blessing in disguise because not
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: to be rude, but the original ad was pretty naff.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: This has ended up perfectly for NU Harvest because everyone
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: is talking about this controversial moment.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: As you said, everyone's is now praising.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Georgie for taking a stance and calling out the comments,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: all while still keeping the original ad up. Yeah, well,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the real featuring Shawnee has cracked 468,000 views on Instagram.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: And it's quite perfect because The whole point of this
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: reel was to work as a lead magnet. So followers
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: were asked to leave the word waitlist and they were
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: emailed the link to the pre-sale. So clearly this controversy
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: has really helped get engagement and push that content out
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: to more people. And the video where Georgie addresses the
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: situation has over half a million views. Is anyone calling
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: out the fact though that she hasn't actually removed the video?
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Because to say that you don't want.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Your brand aligned with someone who holds these sorts of
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: views about women's bodies. seems a bit contradictory when you
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: don't actually remove said content.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no one's really picked up on it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: As I said, a lot of people are just praising
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Georgie Stevenson for acting so swiftly.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I do feel for.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Her in a sense, though, because they dropped $ 10, 000 on
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: this campaign. And as she said, she didn't use AI
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: like a lot of other companies have. She actually invested
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: that money into Australian actors, into Australian production team. So
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I kind of think good on her for using this
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: to her advantage in a sense. to get your perspective
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: on that because I think that's so interesting. Obviously hearing
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: her side and she's about to introduce her new partner.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: It's pretty wild, isn't it?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Matt Zukowski has given his account of what went down
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: during his recent encounter with ex-wife Tammy Hembrough. The former
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Love Islander addressed the run-in during a new segment on
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: his podcast where he and co-host Anna McAvoy tackle headlines
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and rumours about themselves. Before we dive into this awkward encounter,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I want to say I really like this new addition
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: to the podcast because I feel like both Anna and
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Matt in the past have avoided addressing rumours about themselves
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: in real time. I think they have realised that is
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: what everyone's tuning in for and other people are talking
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So they may as well talk about it themselves. Yeah,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: it's a smart move on their behalf.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: It was quite funny because a lot of the rumours
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: they addressed are things that Influencer Updates has aired on
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: her live stream. So Anna spoke about the assumption that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: she's constantly on holidays and she admitted that it looks
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: like they've been on a lot of holidays because they
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: have been. So she said that Michael, her husband, has
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: quit his corporate job. He quit at the start of
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the year and he's now working full time on her
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: tanning business, Goldie B. So when they have business meetings interstate,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: they literally turn them into family holidays. And also the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: fact that they're both now working on her business means
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: that they can work remotely and So they've really taken
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: advantage of it and they've travelled a lot overseas. So
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: they visited Japan and also Fiji this year with their.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Son, Suede.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I love that for them because I remember before she
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: gave birth to Suede, she spoke about how she hoped
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: that she could still travel. And I was like, there's
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: no way. You're not going to be doing that. But
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: good on her for actually doing it. To me, it'd
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: be my ultimate nightmare because I just– I don't know
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: if it's my type of personality. I am a bit
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: of a homebody as well. I just could not think
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: of anything worse than traveling with a baby or a toddler. Well,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: she said for her, she always likes having something to
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: look forward to. And it's generally a holiday. And I
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: do get that. She also touched on the assumption that
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: her son's suede is always sick after being on holidays.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And she hit back at that. She said, look, he's
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: only ever been sick three times in his life. He's
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: 18 months old. And she said compared to other.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Kids who go to daycare, that's really not very often.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: It's so funny to me that she's been called out
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: for taking a kid on a holiday and him getting
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: a cold from that. Whereas it's so normal these days
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: for kids to be sick from daycare.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: No one blinks an eye. If your kids stick from daycare. Yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: because most of the time people say, oh, it's good
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: for their immune systems.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: But then when it comes to her taking her child
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: on a holiday, I think there's an element of jealousy
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that's associated with it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: So people see it as a negative. Now we need
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to talk about Matt's encounter with Tammy.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Now he opened up about it because Tammy spoke about
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: it a couple of weeks ago on her sister, Emily
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Hembrough's podcast. It seems though she missed out quite a
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: few details. So this awkward encounter happened at the Formula One.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: And Matt said he and a friend were walking through
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the GA section when he spotted Amy Hembrough and then Tammy. Now,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: he said he didn't initially clock who they were straight away.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: And randomly, what made him click was Emily's back tattoo
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: for some reason.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what he said.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: So I was walking and she was in my line
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: of walk. I tapped her on the shoulder and I
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: was like, hey. And then she like turned around. She
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: looked me up and down, smiled. mumbled something that i
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: couldn't even understand and i she i can't remember what
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: it was i think it was like hey or something
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: and then i said do you want to have a
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: chat and catch up yeah and then she sort of
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: like laughed and then like wedged herself between her sisters
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: and then like her sisters like sort of looked at
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: me and then i just was like all right so
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: i walked off i had my phone in my hand
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: i was shaking so much i actually dropped my phone
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: i got and had to pick it up and like
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: hand it back to me and i was like well that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Was rough God, I feel so sorry for him.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It sounds like he was completely rattled by the encounter
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and I can see why. I can almost feel that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: energy that would have been pulsing through his body.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: How awkward.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I like the fact that he pointed out that he
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: was just walking through the GAs when he saw her
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: because it really showed that this wasn't some sort of
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: influencer curated event that he'd been invited to at the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: same time as her.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Like this was a legitimate random run in.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And yeah, as you say, I just think imagine asking
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: your ex, to talk to them privately and them essentially
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: laughing in your face.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: It would just be horrendous.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: In terms of what he wanted to speak to Tammy about,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: he said he wanted to ask her about how her
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: kids were going and how her mum was. He also
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: said he wouldn't have been opposed to saying hi to
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Tammy's new boyfriend, Grayson, had he been there. This is,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: of course, off the back of news recently that Tammy's
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: baby daddy, Rhys Hawkins, refused to shake Grayson's hand. I
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: have to say, I found it interesting that Matt was
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: actually open to chatting to Tammy. It comes after he
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: confirmed in his first episode back that he is no
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: longer seeing Charlotte Harvey. They were perhaps kissing on the
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: street a few months back. It seems like that relationship
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: ended because he wasn't quite ready to move on. He
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: said on the podcast that he's over his ex, but
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: he wasn't over what happened. And essentially he needs more
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: time to be single and work through those things with
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: his psychologist. That's a pretty big thing to admit publicly,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: especially when Tammy has so publicly herself moved on and,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you know, she keeps posting videos about how happy she
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: is and she's still keeps using Matt as a hook
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to say, oh, you know, I'm so sad, but now
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy and I've moved on and everything's great.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I have to say often it's the people who are
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: trying to prove that they're so happy that may not be. Yeah,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: she received some criticism recently because she re-shared some of
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: those clips of her crying and saying, you know, essentially,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: don't worry, things will get better. And the things only
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: seem to get better when she met her new boyfriend
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: and people were saying, well, things only get.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Better when you meet a new man.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it just seems to be a pattern
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: of behavior for Tammy. And I really appreciate the fact
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: that Matt's come out and said, look, I'm still not
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: okay from that situation. Because for a lot of us,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it takes a long time to get over a breakup.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And this was a marriage breakdown. Yeah, well, he was
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: saying that he was bringing past behavior from his relationship
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: with Tammy into his new relationship with Sharla and he
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: didn't like it. It seems like he is reading a
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: bit into this encounter with Tammy, though. On the podcast,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: he says he thinks that people keep coming back into
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: your life until you've learned a lesson. Now, Anna added
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: that she's heard if an ex keeps popping up, it
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: means there's unfinished business, which he agreed on.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: So I guess we'll just have to watch this space.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: A small Sydney designer has called out Sophia Begg's fashion label,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: All For Mimi, accusing the brand of copying her dress design.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: 20-year-old Sienna Callaghan says she is disappointed and disheartened to
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: see her work allegedly recreated so closely.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: So how did this all unfold?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Well, Sienna took to TikTok to blast SofaDofa as well
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: as a number of other fast fashion brands for allegedly
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: copying her dress design. Now, the young designer uploaded a
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: carousel of screenshots to her clothing brand, which is called Portia,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: to share side-by-side comparisons. The first photo was a screenshot
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: of All4Mimi' s new Eden dress. And across the photo, Sienna wrote,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: yet another Australian fast fashion business ripping small brands. In
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the next slide, she demonstrated just how similar the design
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: was to her original Opaline dress, which she says she
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: designed in March 2025.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: For reference, the dresses are both bodycon designs. They have
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: these plunging necklines and mid-length sleeves. They're very 2012. That's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the vibe I got when I saw this dress.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Now, in the following slide, Sienna shared a sketch of
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: her dress, and she showed that it was time-stamped on
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the 19th of May, 2025, writing completely designed and sewn
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: by hand. Now, so for Dover's brand, All For Mimi
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't the only one in the firing line. She went
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: on to accuse White Fox Boutique and Etiquette of also
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: copying her designs, posting more side-by-side comparisons. Under the caption,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Sienna wrote, really disappointing to see another Australian-owned brand release
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: a dress that looks almost identical to one of my
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: original designs, with seemingly only the color changed. This design
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: was first created in March 2025, with the very first
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: sample draped, cut and sewn entirely by me by hand.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: As a small business owner, so much time, creativity and
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: love goes into bringing an original design to life. It's
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: incredibly disheartening to see something you've worked so hard on
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: recreated so closely. The by multiple fast fashion and Australian
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: owned brands. In light of this, today only enjoy 15%
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: off all Opaline minis. Support small, support original design and
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: choose the original over a cheap knockoff. Now, immediately customers
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: came in to bat for Sienna. One wrote, this would
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: really piss me off so much. Like, how do you
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: deal with the anger? Another said, this is so low
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: considering all for Mimi complains about getting duped all the time.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: They should know how this feels. Whilst another said, if anything,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: this has just convinced me to buy your dress because
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: they're so much better. Now, interestingly, the call-out post didn't
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: actually receive a massive response. At the time of recording,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: it only has 4,000 views. And I think this is
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: because Portia is a relatively small brand with quite a
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: small reach.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: It only has 14,000 followers on TikTok.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Even so, you don't have to have a massive following
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: on TikTok for a video like this to go viral.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: We've seen time and time again, if you call out
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: a big creator and it gets enough traction, your video
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: can go viral, which I'm assuming.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Is what Sienna was hoping for.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons why it didn't get
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: as much traction is because she didn't do a piece
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to camera and a call out directly. And she didn't
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: show any of that emotion. It was just a carousel
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: of images. The video did, though, get the attention of.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: The Daily Telegraph.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: So the Daily Telegraph published an article about the allegations,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: and the article focused on the fact that critical comments
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: comparing the two designs had allegedly been removed from All
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: For Mimi's account. The journo wrote, Confidential had observed several
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: comments questioning similarities between one of All For Mimi's mini
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: dresses and a viral design created by Sydney label Portia Removed. Now,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the journo spoke to both Sienna and Sophia. So Sienna
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: told the publication, from what we observed, All For Mimi
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: has continued promoting the dress and deleting comments addressing the
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: similarities without acknowledging our concerns. She continued saying it's frustrating
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  Speaker 2: as a small business because speaking out and sharing your
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  Speaker 2: original designs doesn't necessarily change anything. She finished by saying,
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  Speaker 2: pursuing legal action was another obstacle with many independent designers unable.
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  Speaker 1: To afford the costs involved.
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  Speaker 2: Now, SofaDofa rejected the suggestion that her brand copied Portia.
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  Speaker 2: She explained that the Eden mini dress has been in
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: development for more than six months, adding, knowing how it feels,
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  Speaker 2: we would never copy another brand.
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  Speaker 1: It's not our style. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as I saw this pop up on the
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  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph, it all felt a little bit off to
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  Speaker 2: me because Sofa Dofa literally made a name for herself
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  Speaker 2: in 2022 when she cut ties with White Fox Boutique
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  Speaker 2: after they were accused of copying local and international designers
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  Speaker 2: and at the time she told her followers I no
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  Speaker 2: longer work with the company I think copying.
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  Speaker 1: Is awful and to me she has always been.
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  Speaker 2: An influencer and a business owner with integrity. I mean
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  Speaker 2: as she touched on herself All For Mimi has experienced
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  Speaker 2: their designs being duped and ripped off. It was quite
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: awkward because Glassons was accused of allegedly copying their signature tank.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why there was such a stir when Sophia
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  Speaker 2: recently launched a collab with Glassons.
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  Speaker 1: I just personally.
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  Speaker 2: Don't think that Sophia or All For Mimi has intentionally
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  Speaker 2: copied this small designer. It goes against what they're about.
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  Speaker 2: And I more think it comes down to the fact
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  Speaker 2: that Very few fashion concepts are entirely new now.
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  Speaker 1: Designers are constantly.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Bringing back styles and cuts from previous decades. And as
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: I touched on earlier, this dress to me had very
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: 2012 vibes. A lot of TikToks have been popping up
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  Speaker 2: in my algorithm of women our age being like, where
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: can I find some clothes that just aren't all the same?
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  Speaker 2: Like every shop you look in now has the same thing,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the same colors. So I really feel for Sienna in
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the fact that she is a small designer and she
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: feels like These big brands have copied her design. But
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: in saying that, everything looks the same.
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  Speaker 1: At the moment.
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  Speaker 2: I just think it comes down to this potentially being
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  Speaker 2: a popular silhouette that a lot of brands are developing.
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  Speaker 2: I think because the brand is so small and it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't really seem to have much traction, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that Sofa Dofa has stumbled across this and thought, fuck,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: let's copy this. The Daily Telegraph were calling Sienna's dress viral.
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  Speaker 1: It isn't a viral dress at all. The brand isn't
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: a viral brand.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's also the way she went about it
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  Speaker 2: because everyone knows these days, you can be a small
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  Speaker 2: creator with not many followers, but if you call out
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  Speaker 2: the right person and you tag them and you make
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: a big enough fuss, this issue can go viral. And
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I think that's what she was trying to make happen,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not particularly fair, but it doesn't, but it's
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  Speaker 2: not particularly fair if you don't have the receipts. So
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Sophia saying, look, we didn't copy the dress. And you've
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  Speaker 2: got Sienna saying, well, you did. That's why normally these
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: situations go down a legal route. Yeah, but again, it is,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: as she touched on, it's very expensive for a relatively
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: unknown brand and a young designer to fight this in court. Yeah,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: but is it fair to take it to the court
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  Speaker 2: of TikTok?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it is.
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  Speaker 2: And I personally think that Sofa Dofa has become the
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: hunted at the moment, particularly in the press. I mean,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I think it was a bit unfair for the Daily Telegraph,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: not to mention the fact that Sophia Begg has previously
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: called out fast fashion brands like White Fox Boutique, because
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  Speaker 2: I think that that adds an important element to the story.
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  Speaker 1: She has integrity as an influencer.
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  Speaker 2: She chose to turn down money not to work with
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: a fast fashion brand because they were replicating other designers' work.
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  Speaker 2: So I just think that this whole thing is very
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: off-brand for Sophia. I think it's just unfortunate that the
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: two silhouettes are quite similar. Well, on that note, that
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: is where we're going to leave things today. Thank you
• 35:25
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