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Domonique Foxworth on Giants' QB Problem, Josh Allen Is Unleashed & the Nikole Hannah-Jones backlash | 09.24 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time presented by
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is Foxworth Thursday. I got to figure
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  Speaker 1: something out, man. You deserve something clever on the way in.
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  Speaker 1: We had the perfect alliteration. I didn't even come up
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  Speaker 1: with that. They came up with Foxworth Friday that summer
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  Speaker 1: on high noon where I had the brilliant idea to
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  Speaker 1: use my vacation to take every Friday all summer.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. And that motherfucker Pablo made me miss Champ Bailey's
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame induction because they wasn't ready on time.
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  Speaker 2: And I was. Yeah. So I just was. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: his fault. I just I blame him. But yes, I
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  Speaker 2: was doing every Friday because you weren't there. And a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people couldn't tell the difference. So I think
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  Speaker 2: it was Fridays and I was supposed to be flying
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  Speaker 2: to Kane.
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  Speaker 3: Miss my flight. Miss Champ's celebration. But that's all right.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, though. When I had come up
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  Speaker 1: with that plan, I'll never forget. My old boss called
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  Speaker 1: me about it. Anytime I was.
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  Speaker 4: I had a ridiculous amount of vacation when I worked there.
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  Speaker 4: Keep it real.
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  Speaker 1: I have a ridiculous amount of vacation now. But I
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  Speaker 1: had a ridiculous amount of vacation when I worked there.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't believe in leaving that on the table.
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  Speaker 1: So whenever I put that... Because here's what the issue was.
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  Speaker 1: The thing was, because I did a TV show and
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  Speaker 1: a podcast... just because the TV show wasn't on didn't
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  Speaker 1: mean it wasn't a work day for me. So I
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  Speaker 1: was getting all.
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  Speaker 4: The off days from TV and all my off days,
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  Speaker 4: and he would come to me and.
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  Speaker 1: Be like, you know, we talked about this before, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, are you sure your contract?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm positive.
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  Speaker 1: And I took a whole summer of Fridays off. And
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  Speaker 1: those are the original Foxworth Fridays. And now we got
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  Speaker 1: Foxworth Friday. Now we got Foxworth Thursday. We got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of NFL to talk to the people about.
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  Speaker 4: We are also.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps, depending on my mood, going to delve into the
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  Speaker 1: story that got the puters putin' that damn Nicole Hannah-Jones.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine how happy she was that that story
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  Speaker 1: about them lesbians wearing masks came up.
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  Speaker 4: I ain't even had a chance. Have you read it yet?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I read that one.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I haven't read it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we might get to that, too, because I had
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  Speaker 1: somebody send it to me, but I didn't have time
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  Speaker 1: to read it. But anyway, we actually have NFL football
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  Speaker 1: that we can discuss. I don't like this is a
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  Speaker 1: weird week to kind of decide where to go first.
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  Speaker 1: But before I came and sat down in his chair,
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  Speaker 1: I saw him on the TV asking if the New
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  Speaker 1: York Giants need to go get a quarterback. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's such an amazing story because the answer is
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  Speaker 1: obviously yes.
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  Speaker 4: But the answer also is who? Who are you talking about?
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  Speaker 3: They can go.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, they can't pull Russ off the booth
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  Speaker 2: or off the desk.
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  Speaker 4: And if they could, it'd be the same as having Jameis.
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  Speaker 4: We learned that last year.
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  Speaker 2: That is very true. I don't know who the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you could trade for somebody, I guess. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think you want J.J.
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  Speaker 3: McCarthy. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know who's out.
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  Speaker 2: There, especially now that everybody need a quarterback. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota would have been a great option. He's a
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  Speaker 2: very good backup, but Washington, they know they need a
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  Speaker 2: serviceable backup because they know he's going to be used
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  Speaker 2: multiple times a year.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know where you go looking for a quarterback
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  Speaker 3: who ain't hurt.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Kansas City has Justin Fields, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Except the problem is, nah, dog, that's not– I mean–
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  Speaker 1: I want.
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  Speaker 4: It for him, too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it ain't happening, man.
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  Speaker 2: It ain't happening.
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  Speaker 4: It ain't happening, man.
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  Speaker 1: You might have to do some real adventurous shit. Jalen Milrow,
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  Speaker 1: Indy up there in Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, up in Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: But that's, again, they down a quarterback. They don't want
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  Speaker 2: to get, like, they down to one quarterback now. If
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  Speaker 2: they move on from Milrow.
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  Speaker 4: Well, hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Darnold looks like he's about to come back, it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you could go get Drew Locke.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's possible. I think it's too late for that one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's too late. If you are a team that believes
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  Speaker 2: that you are a championship contender, your quarterback just went down,
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  Speaker 2: and you have a quarterback who's demonstrated he can do
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  Speaker 2: the same thing that the other guy did. You ain't
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  Speaker 2: about to move on from him for some picks. You
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  Speaker 2: got a shot at a chip.
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  Speaker 4: What you call it?
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  Speaker 1: The Broncos might have been able to trick somebody into
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  Speaker 1: Jair Stidham, but they played the playoff game last.
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  Speaker 4: Year, and we watched it. We seen it.
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  Speaker 1: Would Arizona consider moving off of Jacoby Brissett?
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  Speaker 4: They're not trying to win.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 4: But I have literally no idea.
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  Speaker 2: I hate what the Dolphins are doing, but I like
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  Speaker 2: that Arizona and the Jets are both obviously going to
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  Speaker 2: draft a quarterback in the coming draft. but they have
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  Speaker 2: serviceable guys in there making sure the team is getting better.
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  Speaker 2: You can't throw a whole– it just don't work in football.
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  Speaker 2: You can't just throw a whole year away and then
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  Speaker 2: drop a great quarterback in and think it's going to
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  Speaker 2: fix things who may not even be great. So, like,
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  Speaker 2: I think part of the Cardinals' plans are let's have
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  Speaker 2: a guy here so these guys know how to play. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you can't just show up and have these guys just
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden protect a quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Well, can he coach wide receivers?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an issue, man. That's a big issue. What's
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  Speaker 2: the rules on this, though? I need to know the rules.
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  Speaker 2: You set the rules on the previous situation.
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  Speaker 4: You know what's so funny?
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  Speaker 1: Right before you said that, I was prepared to say
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  Speaker 1: that guy's first, last name and the qualifier. And one
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  Speaker 1: thing Dominique appreciates about doing the show is I make
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  Speaker 1: sure that we keep out of trouble. Dominique just returned
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  Speaker 1: a favor in a bigger way than he could possibly imagine.
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  Speaker 1: But for those of you who don't know, it's this
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  Speaker 1: dude that went to Ohio State that many of us
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  Speaker 1: thought was going to be.
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  Speaker 4: An all-pro guy.
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  Speaker 1: Right away now my guy tyler dunn has said that
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  Speaker 1: in the draft there were red flags that people ignored
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  Speaker 1: i don't know what they are because i didn't hear
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  Speaker 1: anybody mention any of them in front of anybody but
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  Speaker 1: the guy now plays for the arizona cardinals his name
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter right it's the the point is can
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  Speaker 1: we call him junior can we just call him junior
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  Speaker 1: i mean you can do what you want you know
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  Speaker 1: i'm not yeah yeah yeah but the bottom line is
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  Speaker 1: he stinks Like, he really, and we've been, this is
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  Speaker 1: year three of it. And all those Ohio State receivers
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  Speaker 1: that are in the league right now killing it, the
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  Speaker 1: best one while in college was this one.
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  Speaker 4: And his dad has quite the reputation.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame on and off the field.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: There's a Pee Wee Kirkland vibe, shall we say.
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  Speaker 4: And the bottom line is, this boy is no good.
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  Speaker 1: And anybody saying they saw it coming down, I'm seriously like,
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  Speaker 1: where were you?
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  Speaker 4: Because I didn't hear none of.
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  Speaker 2: This in 2024. I revisited some of the draft evaluations
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  Speaker 2: and was looking to find what the weaknesses were. and
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  Speaker 2: see if those weaknesses matched up. And I was one
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  Speaker 2: who fell into the trap also, where I was like,
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  Speaker 2: this immediately saves your quarterback, immediately makes everyone better.
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  Speaker 3: He's perfect, can't miss.
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  Speaker 2: But I think these were the only evaluations that I
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  Speaker 2: ever remember in the history of my life.
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  Speaker 3: I can send them to you. That under weaknesses said none.
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  Speaker 2: Literally like literally it said none I can find them
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  Speaker 2: and send them to you that's a thing that actually
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  Speaker 2: happened which is absolutely insane everyone has weaknesses like in
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  Speaker 2: order to have strengths to be good at something you
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  Speaker 2: gotta be bad at something else.
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  Speaker 3: But not him he was perfect at everything and it
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  Speaker 3: ain't panned out.
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  Speaker 1: Hey man that draft I'm looking at it right now
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  Speaker 1: what the top six of that draft was and it's
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  Speaker 1: actually it looked like It was going to be really strong.
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  Speaker 1: And overall, it's been pretty good. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels,
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  Speaker 1: Drake May, 18. That's his number, right?
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  Speaker 4: 18. Joe Alt, and Malik Neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: But the margins in the NFL are thin. Neighbors can't
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  Speaker 1: seem to stay healthy. They telling me that Alt been
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  Speaker 1: getting bulldozed out.
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  Speaker 4: There this year.
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  Speaker 1: Drake May, I saw you talking about it on your
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  Speaker 1: show when I talked about some of that here. I
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  Speaker 1: made the hot take on here. I don't think he's
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  Speaker 1: going to get an extension before next season. I just
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  Speaker 1: like it because if he doesn't play well, he's not
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  Speaker 1: going to go for the money that they're offering.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be more worth it. But you you.
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  Speaker 1: It's not it's not cause for optimism. Jaden Daniels looked
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  Speaker 1: good before he got hurt like that. And Caleb Williams,
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  Speaker 1: we're still betting a lot of betting on potential a
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  Speaker 1: lot with that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It must be a different situation.
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  Speaker 2: So you said a bunch that I want to hit on.
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  Speaker 2: The Patriots, they better sign that man to that extension.
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  Speaker 2: Stop playing around.
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  Speaker 4: Also, Bob Kraft is cheap.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. Price is going to go up.
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  Speaker 2: You better sign that man to that extension.
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  Speaker 4: What if he stinks all year?
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  Speaker 2: If he stinks all year, we got a different situation.
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  Speaker 2: I think that you need to convince yourself that it's
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  Speaker 2: not all his fault and sign that man to the extension.
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  Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence, basically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Go right ahead and do it. And Trevor Lawrence has
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  Speaker 2: been awesome up until last week. Yeah, that team has
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  Speaker 2: a chance to win with that guy. Go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: go into that wilderness again. And I'm just a coward
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  Speaker 2: maybe in the way I think about this, but when
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  Speaker 2: I get a little sniff of good quarterback play, I'm
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  Speaker 2: paying up, boy. I'm paying up because I cover all
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  Speaker 2: the teams. So I know you just got to talk
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  Speaker 2: to some of these other fan bases. Talk to these coaches.
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  Speaker 2: That's where you really get it. When you talk to
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  Speaker 2: former coaches and you talk about their teams and how
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  Speaker 2: it don't matter if they don't got that guy and
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  Speaker 2: the guys who never had that guy are furious at
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  Speaker 2: anybody who act like they can survive without a guy.
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  Speaker 4: But what if he's not that guy?
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  Speaker 3: A guy.
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  Speaker 2: How about that? Yeah. You can win a Super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: with a guy. You can keep a job for a
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  Speaker 2: decade with a guy. You can't do none of that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We did just it.
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  Speaker 4: People act like I'm the only one that thinks this.
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  Speaker 1: I have these people saying my refusal to let go
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  Speaker 1: of my priors on Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 4: Nah, nah, nah, nah. That's not what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold was awesome in that playoff game against the
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  Speaker 2: Rams and he had awesome stretches, but I did, we
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  Speaker 2: were doing these simulcasts on ESPN where there was like a,
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  Speaker 2: they would have the game happening and then the regular broadcast.
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  Speaker 2: And then on the side, we do like a film
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  Speaker 2: nerd broadcast of the game. And I was doing that
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  Speaker 2: broadcast of the Seahawks against the 49ers. And so when
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  Speaker 2: we do that, we got the all 22 and, And
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  Speaker 2: we checking it back and forth all the time and
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  Speaker 2: talking about it. They was hiding that man in their
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  Speaker 2: most important game of the season. They were playing for
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  Speaker 2: a first round by and they wouldn't let that man
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  Speaker 2: throw the ball anywhere. And when he, he tried to
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  Speaker 2: throw it away one time. And then a couple of
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  Speaker 2: weeks later, he went nuts on the Rams and balled out.
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  Speaker 2: So like, Both the things are true. Like, of course,
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  Speaker 2: he does have that high, high level. And even he
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  Speaker 2: was disappointed in his Super Bowl play. He does have
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  Speaker 2: that high, high level and ability. But most of the time,
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  Speaker 2: that ain't him. Like, that's just true. It's not wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a fact.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate you, bro. I needed that. Sometimes your boy
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  Speaker 4: need a little backup. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: I'll switch gears just a little bit if you don't mind.
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  Speaker 1: How impressive have you been by the Buffalo Bills? Because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I've watched decent bits of them playing
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  Speaker 1: so far. And It is the menace hour.
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  Speaker 4: The menace. He does look like the MVP this year.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know about that thing last year.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he ran a couple years ago when he
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  Speaker 1: ran that game. He look like he going to run
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  Speaker 1: away with it this year.
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  Speaker 2: There's no deliberation. There's no analysis necessary. There's no conversation
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  Speaker 2: with that man doing out there right now. It's clear
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  Speaker 2: to me that him and Joe Brady– was having secret
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  Speaker 2: text messages like, this motherfucker McDermott can't take the reins
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  Speaker 2: off me, man. Right? Like, is that not the most
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  Speaker 2: obvious thing ever? That they was like, this defensive coach
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  Speaker 2: is trying to protect his bad defense by having us
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  Speaker 2: be conservative. Fuck that. We gonna outscore everybody. And whatever
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  Speaker 2: issues you have with turnovers, like, it's part of it is...
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  Speaker 2: The way we think about Josh Allen, some of it
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  Speaker 2: is still like the reason why he got better was
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  Speaker 2: when they started to turn down the aggressiveness. And you
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  Speaker 2: assume that he never can completely tame it. And then
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  Speaker 2: you have that issue on week one where he hits
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  Speaker 2: Lassiter in the chest with the ball. You're like, see? See?
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  Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is, if you turn
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  Speaker 2: up the risk profile, there are going to be more turnovers.
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  Speaker 2: But there was a point where it was one-to-one. It
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  Speaker 2: felt like there was turnover-worthy plays behind. versus explosive was
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  Speaker 2: one-to-one for Josh Allen. Now it feels like you turn
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  Speaker 2: up that risk profile It's like I'm going to get
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  Speaker 2: four amazing, five, six amazing plays for every one possible turnover.
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  Speaker 2: And the way they do their calculus, and I think
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  Speaker 2: it's probably fair, is we better off winning that way
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  Speaker 2: than thinking we can play a regular game the way
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  Speaker 2: that this defense has been showing up the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of seasons. The problem, the pushback is you look at
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  Speaker 2: the playoff game that they lost and it was Josh
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  Speaker 2: turning the ball over because he was trying to do
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  Speaker 2: too much.
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  Speaker 1: Do you also notice, by the way, that Keon Coleman's
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  Speaker 1: back on the field?
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  Speaker 2: I did. You like him now?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in line with what you were just saying, what
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  Speaker 1: if the real problem was one guy? And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: if there is anybody that you would expect that McDermott
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  Speaker 1: would not like... That guy's at the top of the list. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like he's somewhat complicit. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: pretend as though he was getting picked on necessarily. But
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  Speaker 1: after the owner embarrassed him after they fired the coach
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  Speaker 1: last year and was like, hey, man, they said they
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  Speaker 1: wanted him, man.
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  Speaker 4: Like, what you want me to do?
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  Speaker 2: We have forgotten how messy. that Pagula handled that whole
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  Speaker 2: situation and how convoluted and confusing it was.
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  Speaker 1: With the general manager getting, remember we thought the general
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  Speaker 1: manager was going to get fired and instead he got promoted.
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  Speaker 2: And he defended it by pointing to Keyon Coleman and
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  Speaker 2: then saying that he had nothing to do with it
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  Speaker 2: and that we had tapes of it.
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  Speaker 3: And it was like, this is confusing.
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  Speaker 2: But this is when it's always easier to either tell
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  Speaker 2: the truth or say nothing. Because, like, when you try to, like,
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  Speaker 2: spin it, it's like you don't remember all the things.
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  Speaker 2: It's just hard to do. But anyway, it's possible that
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  Speaker 2: he could get better. It's possible that the situation around
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  Speaker 2: him involving the coach was part of the problem. And
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  Speaker 2: it's also, like, you think about the quirky guys in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. I hadn't thought about this until just now. I'm, like,
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  Speaker 2: going through it in my head. They don't really work
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  Speaker 2: on defense. Who's the quirky defensive player? Like, on offense?
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  Speaker 4: Well, well, um.
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  Speaker 3: I just mean defensive coaches don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think there.
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  Speaker 4: Are two things, right?
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  Speaker 1: I think that also the quirky guy quietly is Myles Garrett.
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  Speaker 1: But like, I think part of it is that coaches
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  Speaker 1: don't like it. I also think the defense is just
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  Speaker 1: not a quirky place.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I mean. That's what I mean. That's what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying. There's no room for it. And Myles Garrett,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't even say I give Myles Garrett eccentric points.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Not quirky. Miles Garrett is not up there doing this
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: shit on sale.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I like cookies.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett is like, I like comic books or whatever.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe this song I'm listening to ain't what you expected
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: from me type of thing. It don't work on defense, man.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: It's funny how it sorts for personality. I think I
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: might have told you this before that I was I
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: was surprised as I got older and started to realize
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: that football is a conservative sport. And I didn't realize
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: that like it, it controls for a little bit more
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: conservative personality wise people. And like, I always thought of
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: myself as like, I'm the cool guy. Then I realized
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: that I looked around. I was like, no, I'm not.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I'm boring as shit.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: And that's why I play this game.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Cause I like it.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: I like the structure.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: It's not basketball where it's free flow. And it's like,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: you do this right now.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: Don't do nothing else.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: My thing about football or the sorting is the drastically
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: different personalities of offensive linemen and defensive linemen. Those offensive linemen,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: by and large, big old teddy bears.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: It really is true. They're typically thoughtful. They have like
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: a protective inclination about Saturday. Yeah. Yeah. Now, every now
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: and then you look at those clips. It is kind
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: of funny. Like my good buddy and your former teammate,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: George Foster. I was looking at his draft field. It's
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: hilarious watching him just discard people.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Like, it's nuts.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And it's completely out of line with the human being
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: that I actually know. He's one of the nicest people
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: that you'll ever meet. No one has ever said that
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: about a defensive tackle, right? Even a dude like Gerald McCoy,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: he real cool, but he ain't the nicest dude you
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: ever met.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: That doesn't attract those guys.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Offensive linemen consider themselves nasty, but they aren't like defensive linemen.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Offensive linemen are nasty, dirty, like they don't clean well
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: and that sort of stuff. And they encourage each other
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: to finish plays and fight. Like you will have these
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: things with Jeff when he does the pancakes on Get
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Up where nothing makes him more excited than watching somebody
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: dominate somebody and then rub it on them afterwards. They're
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: very into that sort of thing. But I'd say the
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: difference between offensive and defensive linemen is– Offensive linemen are
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: doing a job.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Defensive linemen are being themselves.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: It's like D lineman through most of their life. They
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: have to fight the urge to be defensive lineman in
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: daily day to day life. Offensive lineman are normal guys
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: who like, all right, I got a job to do.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I'm a fuck this motherfucker up and I'm a rubbish
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: facing it. And then I'm a shake his hand after
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the game and I'm gonna be fine. I did my job.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I'm a carry my kids.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I'm a be fine.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Sweet and kind to my wife and thoughtful like this
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: is offensive lineman the lineman they are doing that every
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: other hour they not playing football they like all right
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: yes got to be kind got to be nice got
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: to be patient then they go in a football field
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: they like.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I can be me.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: The other thing about defensive linemen is they are pursuing
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: people with the ball.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: That's a little hot sauce on the whole situation, right?
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: The goal of me destroying is completely different. Oh, man. Wow,
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: that was funny.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, all the positions, though, you can go through it.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: All the positions, there are different personality types that make
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: you for that position. And I think people are most
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: familiar with the cornerback personality. There's an arrogance and cockiness
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: that is required to survive in a situation where you
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: are designed to fail and no one wants you to succeed.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: That's why all cornerbacks, you can pick them out. They
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: got on all the jewels and the most patterns and
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: everything you need. They are doing it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Amen um for reasons i mean i get it i
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: guess it's a little it's okay this time because it's
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: kind of the same time zone but uh the cowboys
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and the ravens are playing down there in rio and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: buddy i i can't imagine how disappointed it is for
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: them boys that's like we going to rio and they
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: like you not going outside think your big ass can't
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: get got Yes, you can.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Yes, you can.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And not only, like, they ain't gonna kill you, they'll
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: just simply kidnap your big ass and barter with you
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: in order to get you back.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: However, it should be some fireworks.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: On Copacabana Beach, and by that, I mean, show me
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: why the Ravens will not score 50 points on the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Make-A-Wish Foundation of the Dallas Cowboys.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe the only argument they have is that the field
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: conditions supposedly are not great. They use that place a bunch,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and those soccer fields are not designed for the type
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: of like force that football players put on it.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: And they already beat up for the number of games
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: they play on it.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: So that is the one thing that gives me pause
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: about thinking that there's not going to be some sort
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: of shootout because the Ravens defense ain't getting pressure and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Dak and those receivers are a problem.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you this though.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: If the Ravens are going to get 50 points, apparently
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: they better get them in three quarters because they ain't
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: got nothing for you in no fourth.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: What is this?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's people I think are unfair about the Derrick
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Henry analysis out of this is like they stopped giving
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: the ball to Derrick Henry in the second half. And
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I think the stats are obviously true. But in the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: second half, they couldn't really stop the Saints. So they
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: didn't get the ball back. But four times their first
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: drive was a 14 play drive. You can't criticize that.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Their last drive was a two-minute drill, and one of
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: their other two drives started on first and 15. Like,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: when are you supposed to give Derrick Henry the ball?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: It's not like you just made bad decisions the whole time.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: It's just you don't have the opportunity. So I wish
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I had an understanding for why this happened, but missing
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: those receivers, I think, cost them a bunch of points
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: in that game. You can point to three or four
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: plays where a higher-quality receiver would have changed the outcome.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: But I'm really disappointed in the defense. After what I
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: saw week one, I thought was really impressive that Jesse
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Mentor was leading them in the right direction. You didn't
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: see that same impact in the second game.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: That was the problem to me.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, where are you on this Mahomes thing after
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: watching them play like that?
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was against the Colts, but it was
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: still looking vintage.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Well, it's only going to get worse when you go
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: against Miami. But, I mean, I was– Back-to-back down years
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: is just crazy, and I thought it was going to
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: happen in part because I didn't think Mahomes was going
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: to be back, and I thought that they were just like,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: let's not rush Mahomes back.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: We're going to take our time, and we'll use this as– because.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: It's like an excuse year. You've got a gap year.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: You've got an excuse month, right?
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a soft rebuild.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: We get us a high draft pick and the best
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: draft that we've seen in forever, and we'll be fine. But, nah,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: this is real, and it seems serious. The explosive plays
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: were back in the passing game. The running game is back.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I think we haven't yet, but I think are going
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: to end up giving a lot of credit to Eric Bien-Aimé.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: The problem is, what he going to do with that credit?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: He's not going to go get a job, right?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: He has found his place. You know, like, it's kind
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: of like when Lindsey Hunter was in the NBA. And
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, but Lindsey Hunter, he
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: had a box longer than most people had a box.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Haircut, that is. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And then he went and cut that box.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: And you realize, nah, man.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to rock the box all the way through,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: but the box ain't in style no more.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: I understand you, right? You want to be hip.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: You want to do the cool thing, but you're supposed
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to have a box. You found your thing, and it
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: works for you. And Eric Bien-Ami's box is working for
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. It seems that they're within that system.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: As everything is set up, everything goes right for him.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I know that he wanted the big job.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I get it. But literally, the entire league does not
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: think that he should have it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: And then he went and tried to prove it, and
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: it didn't prove it.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: And it didn't work, and it didn't work. But he's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: back here, and now they out here running. Like, that's,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: as we talk about Kenneth Walker, Eric Bien-Ami is a
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: running backs coach, and that is a thing that he's
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: really good at.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: And, yeah, that looks, they look like they got the attitude.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: That was missing when he left, and people, many people
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: pointed that out. Like, why aren't you talking more about
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the fact that Bien-Ami left? And it looks like we
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: should have been talking more about the fact that Bien-Ami
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: had left.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: It's funny because I think we need, like, two pieces
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: of evidence we needed them to be worse without him
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: but we needed him to have success elsewhere to be
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: like y'all missed him but what you don't realize is
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: like yeah we still took it out because it did
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: because that puzzle piece didn't fit wherever else we put
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that they aren't missing it and they
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: have that benefit with eric b enemy now and it
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: seems like steve spagnolo also like don't want to leave
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: and he's coaching his ass off and really helps that
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: team stay uh Yeah, stay together. And I think the
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: last thing I'll say about the enemy is I think
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: it's the running game is important. But also sometimes people
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: pay lip service and just say like the cliche thing.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: But apparently he's the accountability guy. Yeah. And that type
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: of culture is something that's hard to replace. And I
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: think you see James Winston bring some value to a team,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: even if we don't think so. it ain't going to
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: be playing quarterback, but it's like the cultural part of that.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I think it matters to have guys that bring joy,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: guys that bring accountability because it permits when Eric B
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: enemy is the one saying it all the time.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: It reminds other people to say it. It reminds other people.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: To live it.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: It is amazing that Jameis Winston has managed to outrun
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: his past to become a lovable vibes guy.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: It is. It is.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that amazing, is it? Well, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: guess normally you have to play well enough for people.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: It is amazing the way that he's gone about it. Yes.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And he's gone about it because the lane that he
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: has occupied is the Ryan Fitzpatrick lane. The difference is
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick was a seventh round pick. And so like
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the fact that he got on at all was kind
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: of cool.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: And then it's kind of like, oh, look at this guy.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And now he'd be a goddamn jumping off of jumping
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: on the tables and all of this stuff.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Right. Like, like he's become that guy. Jameis ain't even
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: got to do that. Right.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Like Fitzpatrick got to go the extra mile. Jameis just
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: got to show up and talk gobbledygook. And it just,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: it just entertains people.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: And he makes people feel good.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the number one smile guy.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: I saw Jameis.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I remember. seeing some of the stuff that he was
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: doing and being made a little bit uncomfortable at first.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Like, are they making fun of all of us? Or
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: just Jameis? And then I watched enough of it. I
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: was like, no, no, no.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: It's just Jameis. This is just Jameis. You go ahead
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: and do your thing, Jameis. It makes him happy. He's
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: making fun of himself for the crab legs. Other accusations
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think he can make jokes about.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: No, he cannot.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: No, he cannot. He's having fun. He's doing his thing
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: out there. And they love him until now.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: It's serious.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's serious, but hey, man, everybody know they about
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to be winning shit, man. This is going to be
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a hell of a test, though, because they play against
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: maybe the worst team in captivity.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: In the Titans. And if let me.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Jump on this before we go because i'm just saying
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: that but the eagles played it down to the wire
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: against the titans but if the giants lose this game
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: they've got a stretch where it's the titans it's some
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: other bums and then it's the commandos i think the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: other bums may be the dolphins like i mean it's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: it's like it's somebody today should be right or at
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: least i mean i don't know if they who they
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: should be at this moment um but they were really
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: setting up to be like four and one yeah and
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: now if they lose these for though that that that
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: next set of games boy it's just gonna be sadness
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: around there because that boy harbaugh ain't had like a
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: terrible season before.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: He ain't never been without a quarterback like he went
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: i mean flacco even from flacco to lamar and He
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: was his first year.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I think it was Flacco's first year, too.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Yes. And they, like, surprised people were better than they expected.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: And then he went from Flacco to Lamar. It's a
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: good life to be in. Of course, there were some
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: injuries along the way, but not like week two out
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: for the season. Yeah. And even when you have not
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that great season, there's something about knowing that it's over. So, like,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: you can go week to week. thinking you got a
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: chance and still lose and the emotions of the place
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: will like stay in the middle range. There's something about
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: when your quarterback gets hurt and then you start to
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: lose and get your ass kicked. Yeah. There's like no
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: hope because if you lose and get your ass kicked,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: your quarterback's healthy, you come back in and you're like, hey,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: we made some mistakes, but we can clean it up.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Not no more.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Tell me this before we go.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Have you been peeping the contentious nature of some of
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: these cam ward press conferences with the Titans? And people
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: just say, you know, like, why do you think, why
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: do you think that you're good enough to pop?
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: What exactly that question was, but they've come back at him.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: He is a dude that projects the confidence in a
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: way that you would expect a two-star recruit who had
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to go to incarnate word in Washington state and all
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: these places to get himself to be the number one pick. Like,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I don't find him to be arrogant, but I definitely
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: believe that he is quite self-assured. And it's a couple
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: reporters there that are not here for that shit at all.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: I've never seen.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: A press corps more directly ask a guy to explain
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: why he thinks he's good.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: He was like the darling at first. If you remember
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: when he first got there, it was.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: If we keep it at a buck, we ass.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but even before that, all the stories were like,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: he's extra early guy, he's extra time guy. Like, this
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: is the type of leader. He's taking people to the side, blah, blah, blah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: And keep it at a buck, we ass. Like, we
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: like that. They didn't like it, but we like that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's happened between him and them that
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: shifted this.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, shifted the tide against him. But you're right, they
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: hit him with these hard asked questions and then follow
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: it up with a harder one.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is they don't they doing that unless somebody
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: on the team told them something that made them feel
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: like this is OK and appropriate. It's the only way
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I've never seen. But I've never seen anything like this
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: with your number one overall pick in his second year.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: And the numbers on him were bad. I felt like
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: when I saw him last year, he looked OK. And
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the film guys seemed to back up the idea that
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it wasn't so bad. The numbers were eternally bad. But
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: we're also seeing Jared Goff being an example, maybe even
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnall, that these guys who put up all time
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: bad rookie numbers are not good. as doomed as we
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: used to think like there are there's a josh rosen
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: out here obviously but there seems to be more room
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: for guys to get it together but they are i
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: i i just i'm like damn what are you what
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: what is this.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Team saying and feeling about you.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: They're in bad shape there it doesn't feel good uh
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: they really needed that win that would have helped a
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: lot yes if they would have pulled off that upset
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: and they had it in hand but yeah they The
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: talent is there, but, yeah, it's the inconsistency, and it
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem like he's getting a bunch.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Of help from the players or the coaches around him.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: But that's not to absolve him.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: He's an asshole.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:54
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• 30:56
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  Speaker 1: are back with Dominique Foxworth. Colts and Texans, normally 0-2
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: dooms your season, but when your whole division got one win,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the whole division got one win. But I feel like
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: if the Colts go down to 0-3, that's over, right?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I saw no cause for optimism for them from the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: beginning because it's Daniel Jones, comma, coming off an Achilles tear.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Daniel Jones is enough for me.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Midway through the season last year, when they started to
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: fall off before Daniel Jones got hurt, they made that
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: ultra-aggressive trade for Sauce Gardner and then went on to
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: not win any more football games.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: It felt like it was over for them.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: And then Harley Hersey is essentially saying, your ass is
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: on the line this year, like publicly in a way
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: that most team owners don't while standing on the sideline
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: with bedazzled earpieces. It's just that feels like and then
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: go 0-2 and put up a good fight against the Chiefs.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Like that's again, it's another team that really needed that win.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Really needed that win. And yeah, they're in a bad spot.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: She's not going to leave that sideline, which I think
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: is hella uncomfortable, but I.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Am shocked by how many people are acting like this
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: is normal behavior. So the story on it last year
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: was that she was new to the job. And so
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: she needed to be on the headset to hear what
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: was going on and get an idea of this, that,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and the third. And I think there seemed to be
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a certain charm to the story. Her father had just died.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: And I think a novelty to the idea that there's
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: a woman that's an owner and in a bit more
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: of a hands-on capacity.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: This is meddling.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: There's no other, like, I don't, can you imagine if
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Jerry Jones is on the sideline with the headsets on? Like,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: it's bad enough when Jerry Jones pull up with like
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the Prince of Saudi Arabia and he just hanging out
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: down there, right? Like her there in like, while people
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: are talking and everything else, People thought it was good
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: when they were winning, but then they lost all the games.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: So my question was, at what point were people going to.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Look at this and say, hey, this isn't, I don't
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: think that this is the way that an owner should
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: comport themselves.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: In a game.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: And I mean, and I think it's obvious that this is,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: what is it helping? Because it's not like she's making
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: suggestions or doing anything to help.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: All she's doing is being over their shoulders.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that there's easy arguments. I agree with you.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: It's not something that I think is cool. There's easy
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: arguments to make for why it's OK.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: It's like.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: So often the defense for her would be so often
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the decisions are made by the input that you receive,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: which is normally skewed by one person or another. And
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: so like that's that's a fair assessment is like so
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: many coaches have been fired because the GM is closer
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: with the coach and they with the owner and they
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: maintain their jobs. Like I get the idea of wanting
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: to know exactly for yourself what's going on. But there's
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: also like you kind of got to have to have
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: some trust and step back. And also understand that when
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: you're hiring someone, you need to know what you're hiring for.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: And there's no better way than to be on the
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: sidelines and see what's happening and listen in to everything
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: in a way that would allow you to learn what's
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: going on with the team and make some sort of
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: decision and understand what you need.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: To have success.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Because you're there on the sideline.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: But.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: You have to do it in a way that does
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: not affect them and doesn't like, that wasn't a mistake
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: that they were on camera.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I get the idea that you want to know exactly
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: what is happening so that you can know what type
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: of coach you're hiring for. Like that makes sense, but
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: you have to do it in a way that I
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: feel like is not impacting the team. And to your point,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: there's so many things that you have to read into
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: that wouldn't happen without encouragement or permission. And like they
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: highlighted her, in the Monday night broadcast. They don't do
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: that unless somebody was like, hey, you know what? Let's
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: talk about it. Like they had a package ready to
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: talk about how involved she is.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: And it's like, I.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Don't love it. Meanwhile, their season's about to be over.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: That will probably result in, I don't know about the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: coach being fired. I don't know how Ballard has stretched
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: this out as far as he has. And he missed
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: on the quarterback. I wouldn't give up all the way.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: You never know.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: But, hey, he missed. He missed on the quarterback pick.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And then the Texans, they're weird, man. I think that's
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the only way to put it right now. We all
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: thought they had the quarterback. And then the playoffs happened
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: last year, and we don't know if they have the quarterback. Like,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: he's the example I'm making with Drake May. That they
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: came out of that year, and they were like.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Hey, fellas, we don't know.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: We're going to think about it a little bit. I....
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: The problem with this one, though, is it feels so,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: so obvious that you can't get a clean look at
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: him because of all the situations in football. I don't
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: know one that seems more obvious that you ain't helping
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: my guy at all. They haven't been trying, honestly. They've
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: been needing to fix this O-line for three years now.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: And then his receivers keep getting hurt. It just feels
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: like the defense has been great. And the coordination of
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the offense has not been consistent like.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: This to me. And maybe he also isn't great.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: And of course, there are certain quarterbacks that are so
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: good that they will at least make this mediocre. He's
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: not that. But it seems nuts to me to think
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: that you feel like you'd be better off without him.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know where you're getting the next one from
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: because you're going to start. The clock's going to have
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to go back to zero.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Right. And your team is ready right now. That defense
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: is ready right now. I don't know what else you
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: would do. And that's part of the decision when we
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: are assessing these quarterbacks is people want to talk about
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: them in isolation and like, is this guy worth that much?
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: It's like, no. Is this situation worth that much?
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: And to me, it is.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Now, Rams and Denver, I think it's two teams in
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: very strong divisions. make your one in two lands different
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: playing where they, you know, playing in the divisions that
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: they play in the Rams.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: You know, is Puka going to play?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like he's going to, which means they
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: may be out there running that, that one, that was
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: it 13 with the one running back and three tight
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: ends and one wide receiver, which works, even if it
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: feels mad high school, it, it seems to have worked.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And then Denver on the other side, you know, just
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: count down the days till Sean Taylor. I mean, excuse me,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Sean Payton, Just can't help himself.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Give me that back. Give me that. Give me that.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Give me the card. Give me the fucking card.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I would like the lie detector test for how he
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: actually feels when shit goes bad for that offense.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Because a little part of it, I'm like, see?
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: See?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: See what I'm saying?
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know how this, without....
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Just Devontae out there and Pat Sertan can handle that assignment,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: as crazy as that sounds, he can handle that assignment.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: The third team personnel is going to be tough to
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: win going up against the Broncos who want to play
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of man coverage. You're going to have to
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: run the ball successfully because you're not getting open with
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: three tight ends on the field if they just go
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: nickel the whole time, which I think they probably will
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: play nickel against that.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: That's just not going to work.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: And Sean McVay, as smart as he is, he's going
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: to have to figure some shit out because I don't
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: like that matchup for them unless they can run the
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: hell out of it.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, before I forget about it, man, our guy got
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: an interception last.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Week for the Broncos. Riley Moss.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something I noticed, man. Because I
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: was watching that and I saw him get the interception. And,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you know, they was out here. He was getting racially
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: profiled by the referees all.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: The time last year.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: All of this.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: And our boy Coop Coop get all the props.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Coop Dajin get all the props, but he out there
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: playing in the middle. Riley got the hard job. He
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: on the outside and he's on the other side of Sertan. So,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you know, they milk checking them all day long. And
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: so I decided I wanted to get me a Riley
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Moss jersey. I'm an ally, right? Like I'm trying to
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: show him that I'm down, show what this society would be.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: On one hand, I don't really so much approve of
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: having a white man name on my back.
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: On the other hand, I already got one. Right? So,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: you know, I was going, I was thinking about checking
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: it out, man.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I went to the website and it was telling me
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: that I needed to special order a Riley Moss jersey
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: if I wanted one. They didn't already have none pressed up.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: And that tells me everything I need to know about
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: white people, man. How in the world y'all got y'all
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: a real live pioneer out here?
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: He trying to hold it down.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: For every single one of y'all and it's y'all holding
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the back y'all don't even want to encourage him y'all
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: don't even want to give him no props let him
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: be a little five foot eight wide receiver for the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: patriots you buy that shit up in a minute this
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: cat out here trying to do the thing y'all say
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: he can't do and i can't even show him support
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: the way i want to because y'all ain't even gonna
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: show him support the way he deserves because now that
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: shit costs too much.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Money I'd be trumpeting that pioneer every chance I get
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: on TV, especially celebrating him because I do think he's
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: a really good corner. And yes, he gives up a
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: lot of passing appearances, but they make this motherfucker play
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: man coverage all game because Pat can do it. Nobody
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: else does this in the NFL. No one else plays
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: man coverage as much as Riley Moss, and he makes plays.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Of course, he's going to get a little penalty every
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: now and then.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: You know why?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Because Pat's on the other side. And they don't roll
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: the safety over. They don't do nothing. And I'm speaking
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: from experience. As a man who played opposite Champ Bailey
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: in Denver, the ball flowed a little faster and higher
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: up there, too. And don't nobody want to go over there.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: One of the years I played opposite Champ, I think
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: he got targeted 50 times and had eight interceptions. So, yeah,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: you got to go the other way. And I'm going
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: to get some penalties. I'm going to give up some points.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to play well. And I think Riley
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Moss is even better than I was.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: And Riley's going to– they're not going to be able
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: to afford him.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: And he's going to go somewhere else and be a
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: damn star because they're going to be like, hey, we're
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: going to throw it at you half as much and
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: we're going to let you play zone every now and then,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: a little cover two for my man every once in
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: a while, let him chill. And then he's going to
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: become a hero when he re-signs– not re-signs, when he
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: signs somewhere.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Else as a free agent.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: What black coach is going to bring him in and
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: treat him like he deserves?
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? And in fact, that's what
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: he got right now. He got Vance Joseph.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: That's the only reason why he's starting, because we know
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: that it ain't the color of your skin at the
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: top that determines the content of your football ability.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Vic Fangio with a slid of his side like.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: They did Cooper.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they brought Cooper in as a corner. They couldn't
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: wait to make him a safety nickel. He'll never be
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: outside no more. They don't never let him outside no more.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: They do the white boys like they do brothers when
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: they go to college. And they're like, yeah, you'll get
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: a chance to play quarterback.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: And the second your daddy goes home, you are 15
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: yards back off the line of scrimmage.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Hands on your quads. Learning protections.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: That's why Lamar Jackson mama had to stick around.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: That time they tried to sit her back there to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: run back that putt.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Nuts. That's, I mean, Lamar, I think I talked to
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: you about this contract situation. That's something that would never
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: happen if he had a traditional agent.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I just don't know why people are so insistent upon
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: acting like this is a good idea. I just don't, like,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: there's a reason these, they're not all, like, agents are
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: actually not the bad guys in the game. It's the
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: financial advisors and those cats you really got to worry about.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: The agents save you a lot of stress, man. I.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: The situation that he's in now, the power and leverage
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: that he has now is something that an agent wouldn't
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: have negotiated for. He would have already signed another contract.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: And so that's the thing is like the agents, their
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: relationship with the teams is, is such that they're not
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: going to be holding out. Eventually, they go back and say, Lamar,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: this is the best we're going to do. And he's like, nah,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I want a no trade, a no franchise, and we'll
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: figure out what I'm going to do.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: He got more power than anybody else.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Well, hold up.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: You are correct when you put it in those terms. However,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I do know there's at least one agent who would
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: have pulled that off. I don't even know what his
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: name is. I just know who his client is.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Whoever repped that man, I don't really understand how don't
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: everybody rep him.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: But it's because Kurt lived in this middle. That would
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: have never happened. Nobody wanted to pay Kurt what he
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: thought he deserved. That's why he got to where he got.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to pay him what he deserved, but at
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the same time, he was willing to roll it all
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the way out.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And so I guess that was my thing with Lamar
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: is I would not, the leverage he has is great,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I would rather have.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: The stability of already having this done or whatever. Like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: I just feel.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like there's a swirl of drama around
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: his interactions with the team that does not have to
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: be that way. And I'm not sure serves him, even
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: though I think in the end it'll get him a
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: bunch of money.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: You might be right.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: But I think I was only bringing this up because
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the point that you were making is like, it shapes
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: who someone is. Like the early experience of being a
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: quarterback that I'm sure nobody wanted to play quarterback is like,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I can't trust these motherfuckers. And you know what these
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: ages are? They ain't nothing but these motherfuckers in different
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: colored suits.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I understand it. But anyway, he's going to be fine.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: He's going to make a bunch of money and play
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: wherever the hell he want to play. It may or
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: may not win a Super Bowl, but his career, he's going.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: All the way. My thing with them is clear. They
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: don't have a built-out infrastructure. They don't have anybody whose
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: job it is to call people back. And look, I
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: know I'm not great at calling people back.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: We was ready to march on the.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: White man during the draft, and they was like, brother,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: we kept trying to call. Maybe it was on purpose.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Mina and I wrote a piece on him, a positive
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: piece on him, where I said he was the best
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: quarterback in the draft and reiterated how he's actually a
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: pocket passer. The highlights just make you think that he's not.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: And wouldn't return my calls, her calls, and nothing. But
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: they just like, we're going to do the work. And
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I think all that other stuff has a place and
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: has value, but I don't think they– I mean, lots
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: of people are like, eh, that means nothing. But it
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: does make it a little bit of an uphill battle sometimes.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: He is so good, though. He is so good.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I just don't know how people really want to downplay
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: how good he is and the pocket pass and stuff,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: but we've talked this football enough.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Uh-oh.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Full disclosure, I would not say that Nicole Hannah-Jones is
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: my friend, but I would say that I know her.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: If I needed something that she could perhaps help with,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I would not hesitate to call. I'm not sure she
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: would do the thing, but just saying, this is not
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: a stranger to me. Okay.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: Okay. She wrote a very provocative, is that the word
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: we're looking for here?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if she knew it was going
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: to be provocative on the front end. But 10 years ago,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: she wrote this story for the New York Times Magazine
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: with her daughter on the cover about, she's an education
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: reporter and tried to decide where it is that she
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: wanted her daughter to go to school. And she decided
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: to send her daughter to an under, well, it was
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: just kind of described as an underfunded, under-resourced New York
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: City school.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: In Brooklyn.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Ten years later, she wrote another story about it that
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: was kind of ruined the decision, and it was Have
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I Betrayed My Child? And it had a lot of
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: interesting stories in it, shall we say, that did not
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: make that school that her daughter attended to seem like
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: one that you would want your daughter to attend if
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: she had any other choice.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: I think that is the way that we could put it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: One of the stories that stood out was kids fighting
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: in the cafeteria and Nicole Hannah-Jones herself went to go
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: break it up and said none of the teachers did
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: anything while it was happening. Things about papers not being graded,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: being told that her daughter was below grade level, even
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: though they never really checked. It was just the assumption
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: that was made. It was all these different things about
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: why the school wasn't good and her saying that, hey,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I may be in the course of trying to make
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: a larger point about school choice may have subjected my
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: daughter to worse outcomes. I think that it takes a
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: certain level of humility to get in front of people
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: and say that you were wrong. And I am here
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: to tell you, it appears that 90% of the people
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: who read that and got no concern about no humility
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: or whatever it was that it took for her to
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: say that she was wrong.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: She did not say that she was wrong enough.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I have never seen anybody catch hell from all corners
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of the internet like I have here. I mean, it's
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: black people sending around links from the National Review. Dominique,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I pulled up the for you tab on twitter i
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: was getting all the conservatives that were piling on her
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and this was two days after all the black people
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: i knew were piling on to her. And that's not
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: even to discuss all the text messages from the people
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: who don't feel comfortable saying this stuff in public.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like this before.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: And you and I, if we were to ignore the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: backlash part for a second, the discussion of where Black
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: people of means send their children is a.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Very interesting one, right? Like, I don't know.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: I've told the story, people. We moved to Houston right
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: before I turned seven. So my parents worked at Prairie View,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: which is 20 something miles northwest of the city.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: We were not going to live there. Just keep it above.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: So we lived as honestly, if you can't go any.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Farther northwest from where we were and still call it
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Houston or even still like with any sincerity, try to
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: say that. You couldn't do it, okay? 1987, I found
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that my people have moved out here now. But in 1987,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: they had night. There was an elementary school literally across
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the street from the house. It had three black people total.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: So my parents took me to school in a little
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: town called Waller, which is right next to Prairie View,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: which had a lot more black people. It was not
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: a black majority, but it was a much more representative
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: sample of the population out there. It was going to
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: a worse school, but it was not an imperiled school.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: But I have always contended that that's the best decision
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: that my parents ever made for me. was not subjecting
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: me to the isolation that I was probably going to
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: suffer at the school that was across the street. And
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: having seen people who did suffer that and the outcomes,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: very talented people that I think had the spirit and
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: joy of their lives kind of beaten out of them
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: by going to those schools. There's a real discussion about, damn,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: how exactly is it? Do you go about putting your
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: children in a place that is safe socially and good
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: for their social development, but also provides... access to the
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: right resources educationally to maximize where they could end up.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: And that is not that. No, no, no, no. This
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: just became, damn, baby, you fucked up. That's it.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: This it's and you and I don't think fall into
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: a category of like, what was me type complaining? But
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I think that we also appreciate the reality of the
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: idea that just the idea of existing while being black,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: there's some tax that you're going to have to pay.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: And I like jokingly talk about how being a black
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: man who's on TV means I got to.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Get a haircut every week.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: And it'd take an hour and a half out of
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: my life and it pisses me off. And it feels
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: like an unfair tax that I have to pay. But
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: in this case, This is more serious where when you're
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: weighing the educational decisions.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Black people have this other thing.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: And it's probably all minorities, but Black people in particular
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: have this other variable that has to weigh in. So
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: I can afford to live in a nice neighborhood where
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: the schools are really good. But what comes with that
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: also normally comes putting my kid in these isolated situations
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: where they are the only Black kid. And the result
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: of that is normally... you overcorrect the other way or
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: not overcorrect, but you become super militant person who hates
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: everybody and is unhappy. Or you become like low self-esteem,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: try to assimilate, always trying to be like them or
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: be with them and always feeling isolated and different. And
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there are other outcomes, but those are the
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: things that as a parent who had this experience, who
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: grew up in a neighborhood that was all black. And
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: my parents sent me to a magnet school because we
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: couldn't afford private school for high school in order to, um,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: get a better education because my high school, somebody got
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: shot at the local high school. And like you, the
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: neighborhood I grew up, I moved to like was a
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: nice suburban neighborhood in Baltimore County when I got there.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: And then more and.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: More people took over the city.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: So more and more of us came out and they
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: all left and the money left and everything changed. And
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: by the time The high school my parents thought was
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: going to be good. I got there was like a
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: dangerous place. But anyway, back to me and my decision
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: is like I decided that I wanted to send my
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: kids and my wife and I decided we wanted to
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: send our kids to private school for the opposite reason
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: that you would expect, because our.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Local schools are great all the way up till eighth grade.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: But they white.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: And I was not going to do that to my kids.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I would pay for them to go. And so the
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: private schools in a pretty liberal area like DC are
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: all like majority minority, meaning that it's like 40, 50% white.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: And then everything else is something else. And it's a
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: big portion of them are black people. So like, that's
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: something that was important to me. And the last thing
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I want to say is like, my wife's experience is different.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Like she grew up with a lot more means than
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I did. She went to, public school up until like
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: eighth grade or no sixth grade, I think. And then
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: went to private school afterwards. But she also has a
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: really huge black family in this city that is very
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: anti Jack and Jill. If that makes sense for people
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: to understand what type of people they are. I was like,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: despite the fact that both her parents are doctors and
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: all our aunts and uncles are lawyers and everybody went
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: to Howard and got extra degrees. they see a distinction
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: between the Jack and Jill thing and us. And so
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: like when I brought this article to my wife, It
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: was interesting because she went to a white school from
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: like sixth grade on and said that I don't understand
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: the need for belonging. And like, that's where these people
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: are scarred who go to these like all white schools
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: is like, I want to be involved, but I'm always different.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: And I was trying to express to her, it's like
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: you had all these cousins and family members. And you
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: went to school the same way that some people go
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: to work. You was like, all right, I go, I
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: do that. Then I leave and I have my life.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: But other people, normal people, like their life is that school.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: And if you go there and you're not invited to
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: the party, she's like, yeah, I wasn't invited to the parties,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: but I didn't want to go to the parties. Like
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I wanted to do black shit with my black people. Yeah.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's one thing to the argument of like
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: wanting to belong. Belonging is one thing being rejected. is
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: another right and so if you don't feel like you
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: belong okay but if you feel rejected that's a different
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: animal like a lot of white people that I would
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: go to school with and I went to school and
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: took classes with right because my classes were probably way
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: more white um I don't know how much I belonged
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say I didn't feel like I didn't
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: belong but I really didn't even really feel rejected I
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: don't remember one time I didn't get invited to a
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: party and the guy told me trust me you don't
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: want to come I said I was like oh okay
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: But I don't think I felt like rejected from those spaces.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: When you start adding that money component to it, people
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: start like people start feeling rejected. And it's not I
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: get absolutely not wanting someone to be involved in that.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: We have a friend of the program who I think
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: to this day resents their parents. for taking them out
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: of a black environment and putting them into a white
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: one later in the school thing, right? Just because how it,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: feeling like other in those spaces. Like, I think though,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: and people just got to be honest about this, man,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: this backlash about it is, is that Nicole Hannah-Jones has
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: become a polarizing figure. She became a polarizing figure to
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: the right because of the 1619 Project. What I don't
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: think that I don't know how many people understood this,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: but I don't think that she understood this, and I
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: think that she learned is that she is a bit
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: more of a polarizing figure on what she would think
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: was her side. And I say this being who I
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: am with a certain self-awareness about the way that I
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: have comported myself in the past over social media, and
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: part of why I do not is I realized, hey, man, I...
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: at this point, don't have anything else to gain from
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: this space. And in fact, everything that I say on
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: this space is one more chance for somebody to come
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: up with a reason to decide that they dislike me.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: And God knows that I have given plenty of people
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: enough reasons already to feel this way. And so when
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: that moment comes and you get your little, your slip
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: up comes, it came down from all directions, especially if
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: what they're getting you for is a first-person essay, because
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: who you are does become part.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Of the discussion, right?
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: You can't separate the art from the artist when they're
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: using the first person in the story. And so it
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: led to judgments of her actual parenting. How did you
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: not pick up on this? Like all of these things
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: that came out there and people are like, wait a minute,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: What about you in this?
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: And that's why people I feel like are like, hey man,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: first person stuff is maybe not necessarily the way to
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: go in terms of making a point, right? Which, you know,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: gets to what happens when, and I don't know if
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: this isn't exactly, I have a thing about people using
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: their families for branding and they're like using their children
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: for content.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know. This is not what I normally mean
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: when I say that.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: But it did happen. It did. And that's part of
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: why we're here.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think that I want to be clear
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: that I don't know that the decisions that I've made
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: and my parents have made and my wife and her
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: parents have made for all of our education were perfect
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: there were trade-offs and I know like it's like the
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: being a black girl in those schools is probably more
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: challenging than being a black boy in those schools and
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I know that is something that my daughters will have
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: to deal with so like there are always going to
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: be trade-offs in any decision you make. It's like we
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: were talking about that receiver. They said there was no weaknesses. Well,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: there can be no strengths if there are no weaknesses.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Like in order to be excellent at something, you have
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: to give up something else. So like the tough thing
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: is when you're making those trade-offs, you don't know which
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: will be more valuable in the future. And I think
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: about that for when I was growing up and I,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: we're all around the same age as Nicole is like,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I do. And this is, I mean, I assume white
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: people know this too, but they about to learn it now.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: But like, at least for me, when I grew up,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: you grew up in an era where like everybody wanted
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: to get away from like blackness to some degree. Like
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: you wanted to be close to blackness for like what
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: it was cool, but it was a badge to be like,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: like coming out of the eighties being like, we moved
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: to a white neighborhood. I go to a white school
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: for some people. And for a lot of people, it like,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Signified some level of success and achievement. And I think
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: that it's interesting that Nicole made the choice to go
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: the other way when she did. because she grew up
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: in that time too, but she grew up in a
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: different place. From the 1619 Project, watching that, she from
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: out Iowa somewhere. Yeah, she's from Iowa.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: She's from the black town in Iowa, Waterloo. It's Waterloo
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: and Davenport. That's where you find the black. Ricky Davis
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: and Michael's second to none. They are from Davenport, Iowa,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: for example.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I just think it's all pretty interesting. And like, I
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: don't want to, the part of the reason why I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: don't high horse it is like, I don't know. Like,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I think I'm making the right decisions. I'm conscious of
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: the trade-offs that I'm making. I guess that's all I'm
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: saying is what she conscious of the trade-offs. Like you
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: have to know and accept the idea that you thought
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: she was going to get as quality, an academic education
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: as whatever social education she got. Like, If you knew
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: that you made that choice anyway, then I'm fine with it.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: But if you thought that you was going to break
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: the system, that part to me is confusing.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: I wonder this part, too.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: And so this is, you know, I think one thing
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: that in talking about this piece, everyone has to be
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: careful about is, hey, make sure you're not projecting.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Like you're not like you're not making this fully about
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: you or what your situation was, whatever.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: But I could say this about me.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: I grew up in an interesting situation because of the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: school that I went to.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: We were not rich, but we were certainly not poor. Right.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: But I think even the white kids that I went
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: to school with looked at us as people having money.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: You know, my parents are college professors. I was coming
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: from something different than the people I went to school with,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: by and large, were coming from. Because by this time,
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  Speaker 1: in the old days, the professors that worked at Prairie
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: View lived in Prairie View. Well, that generation, it basically
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: aged out. Like I was not going to school with
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: other professors' kids, by and large, right? And especially for me,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: like growing up in the 90s, where the gangster shit
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: was what was really ruling or whatever, like ain't nothing
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  Speaker 1: cool about having a stable family upbringing.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? The way I always saw
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  Speaker 4: it is there was no real charm in that.
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  Speaker 1: The kids that seemed like they came for something a
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: little harder, even in the suburban neighborhood, that one kid
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: that's from the city, he got all the girls. He's
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: the one that gets all the action. And so there
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: could be a tendency to kind of want to fall
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: in that direction. Now, the thing for me with the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: people I went to school with where it influenced me
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  Speaker 1: personally was everybody I went to school with had a job,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: for example. I was in the class dynamic where if
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I wanted to, I could probably get some money from
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: my parents for whatever stuff I needed. But the truth is,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: my parents were cheap anyway, so I was going to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: need to go get this money. But I went to
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: school These cats paying for their own car insurance, for example,
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  Speaker 1: in your 16, buying your own car when you're 16,
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  Speaker 1: 17 years old.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, like it put me in touch. I was
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  Speaker 1: very much in touch with the class privilege. You could
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: say that I had whatever, but it made me want
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  Speaker 1: to go get a job.
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  Speaker 4: Like all the kids at school had a job and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: talked about having jobs. So I went and got a job.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And it impacted me in the way that. There
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: were things that my parents were capable of doing for
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  Speaker 1: me that I actually always did myself because I saw
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: so many people who did it for themselves. So on
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: one hand, it could be done. But on the other hand,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to do what like everybody was doing. And
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I was like that even in a lot of ways
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: through college where there were other people whose parents had money,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: you know, for purposes of this discussion and all of
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But I worked all the way through. I didn't take
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: money from my parents.
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  Speaker 1: They paid for certain stuff, but I was on scholarship
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  Speaker 1: and I was working and paying for all my own stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I had a.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Certain badge of honor about the fact that I was
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: doing those things. Then I got to graduate school and
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  Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be grown by then.
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  Speaker 4: And I was not.
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  Speaker 1: I could have possibly been more broke. And I went
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: to school with a cat. It was really funny because
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: it turned out we met each other there. And it
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: turned out that his mother and my father graduated from
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: high school together in Oklahoma City in 1960.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just pure.
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  Speaker 1: We were the only two black dudes in this program
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: that we were in. And we got each other through
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. But I would talk to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: him about a lot of this stuff. And I didn't
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: want to ask my parents for money, you know, like
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: all those things. And it was the first time that
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: I had considered that these people whose life, I wouldn't
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: say I was cosplaying because I wasn't pretending, but where
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: I was trying to do the things that they did
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: because they had to do them, are looking at me like, hey, cuz.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: How about you call your mom and ask her to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: send you $ 1, 000?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Because if I had somebody that would send.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Me $ 1, 000, I would ask them to send me $ 1, 000, right?
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  Speaker 1: It was the first time that it ever really dawned
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: on me how many of those people, this life that
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: in some way may seem cool or may seem charming,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: and I wasn't, to be clear, I was not dumb
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: enough to think there was anything cool about being poor,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: but you get what I'm saying, right?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: To have these challenges....
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Every single one of them would have traded places with
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: me in a heartbeat. All those rappers that I was
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: listening to that was talking all that shit, guess where
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: none of their kids live? That same circumstance that we're
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: talking about. And I think that was the part that
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: really offended a lot.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: Of people about this article.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Is the idea that your kids don't have to do
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: this shit. And there's people working three jobs and everything
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: else to take their children out of those environments.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: And somehow, rather than listen.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: To us, you thought this is what you should do
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: and told the world about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: People really, I'm saying, I'm not saying it's right or wrong,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: but people really, really, really seem to resent that.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: I get it. And I understand. And I obviously made
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: choices that I've made. And so like, that is, that's
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: what it is. I had a friend in business school
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: who went to all fancy schools, but she grew up
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: in New York, but, um, her parents sent her to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: the boys and girls club in, um, in some bad
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: neighborhood in Brooklyn, even though she went to fancy schools
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: because she was black and they were like, we want
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: you to have some connection to black experience.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: But I'll use your story about, I.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Think we forget, you think that the influence on your
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: kids is you, but you forget that you spend so
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: much time at school around your friends. I'd say overall,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: you going to that school where everyone had to work, like,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: was a good influence on you.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: So I'm saying that What Nicole was aware of in
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: part of this decision is sending them to these fancy
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: all white schools is like maybe they'll get the best
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: academic experience. But the culture that my kid will become
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: a part of is something that I'm not interested in.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that she in some way, consciously or unconsciously,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: did the calculation that the academic genetics that my daughter
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: will have will compensate for whatever, and the at-home engagement
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: will compensate for the shortcomings in the school, but I
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: can't substitute for the cultural experience of growing up around
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Black people. And I know that her daughters seem to
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: not like the decision and no one seems to like
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: the decision from outside. And I don't know whether it's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: right or wrong, but There's no test. There's no measurement
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: for like how sophisticated you are culturally with your blackness
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: or anything like that. And so we don't have anything
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: to compare it to.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: But I promise you, her daughter is comfortable everywhere.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. It's just what you prioritize.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I think the point and I said this earlier about
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: my school, I think this distinction is important to repeat.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: My school that I went to was probably not as
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: well funded as the ones that my parents.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: Did not have me go to. But the school I
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: went to was not empty.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: That's the thing about it it wasn't in peril if
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: my mama had pulled up at the school and these
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: motherfuckers was fighting in the cafeteria and she had to
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: bring it up and nobody pulled up i would not
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: have been in that bitch the.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: Next day that that was that was where people were
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: like whoa wait a minute.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: She say this happen all the time and you was
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: like well go get him champ you ain't even take
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: you ain't even take her to the gym to get
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: a little put a little work in like figure out
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: how you gonna handle yourself when it's your turn like.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Damn I can't defend it. I did the best I could.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: No, you did. You did.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: I think that's why I think that if you took
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: the name Nicole Hannah-Jones off of it, there's a lot
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: interesting to talk about.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: And I found the further.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Offline people were, the more likely in the discussions I
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: had with them, they approached it with a measure of empathy.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: But this is where we're not supposed to know so
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: much about each other. And so people's personal issues and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: judgments of her, I think, seeped into it. On top
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: of the fact, there were some truly jaw-dropping details that
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have told nobody about if my concern was
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: how I was going to be received.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: But the pewters was pewting, dog. And they still pewting.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: They still pewting, in part because she's really famous.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: But It kind of reminded me, like, I felt like I.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Was watching two people who are on there saying the
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: same thing and expressing the same feelings, but they not
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: coming from the same place. I'm going to give you
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: an example of this, okay? White people and black people
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: can often say the same thing And it sounds like
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: they mean the same thing, but they talking about vastly
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: different things. For example, stairway to heaven. If a white
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: person is talking about stairway to heaven, they're like, Oh
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: my God, it's one of the greatest songs that's ever made.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: That's my daddy or my granddaddy's favorite song. I love
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: stairway to heaven. And if a black person is talking
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: about stairway to heaven, they're going to say, oh my God,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: that is one of the greatest songs that is ever made.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: That is my daddy or my granddaddy's favorite song. And
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: the white person would be like, hell yeah, don't you
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: love the way that it kind of starts low key
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: and then it builds up as it goes farther and
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: farther along. And the black person is like, hell yeah,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. It starts off like there's
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a beat, like they ain't even
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: got no drums in it yet.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: And it just keeps on going. And they'd be like,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: hell yeah.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: And everybody's talking about Stairway to Heaven. And then all
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: of a sudden it's time for somebody to say the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: words to Stairway to Heaven.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: They about to sing it together. And then that white
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: person's right. And then we walk on down the road.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: The black person's like, yo, what the fuck was that?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: What are you talking about?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: That's not what I was saying at all. But we
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: was just all saying the same thing, right? Right?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: We go in step by step.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: And they're like, yo, what is that Negro garble that
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: you're offering over there? No, we.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: I thought we was talking about stairway to heaven.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: And everybody's all confused. That's this issue. I got people
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: being like, yo, this article is terrible. And they saying
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: this article is terrible. And these people over here being like,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: hell yeah, those public schools are so bad. And they're like,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: hell yeah, the public schools are so bad. And they're like,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: that's why you don't go to school with black people.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: And they like, wait a minute, what did you say?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Like at some point that internet collision is going to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: happen and everybody's going to realize we're not actually saying
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: the same thing.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: It just seems like it.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: That I think is the other level of this. It
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: is a weird chorus, but everybody's singing the same notes,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: but not singing the same song.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: I hadn't seen as much of the internet reaction as
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: you had. So like, I didn't realize that. That most
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: of it has been like group chat conversations with other
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: black people. So I didn't realize that it had become like, see,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: told you they animals can't go to school with them.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that was even a part of it.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, hey, let me tell you something. They some animals
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: as always. Yeah, it's always it's always this close.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: However, there are to be fair, though. Just as is
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: the case with Stairway to Heaven. There are some black
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: people who in this case, that's the Stairway to Heaven
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: they also met. I read an article written by somebody
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: I know who basically said the same thing.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: And I was like, ooh, I.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have told anybody that if I was you,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: this is, this is, this is like, they never going
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: to give you the Oscars to get. I thought you
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: was going to play stairway to heaven.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: You played stairway to heaven. Yeah.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: What are we doing? What are we doing? But Hey,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: that's Dominique Foxworth.
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• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
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