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Bonus Episode: Hollywood and History’s Worst Moms and the Hitchcock Dilemma · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we'd
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  Speaker 1: like to call the after party. This is the show
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  Speaker 1: after the show, the party after the party, the bridge
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  Speaker 1: to get you from one full episode or disgrace Sland
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  Speaker 1: to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt.
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  Speaker 1: On this bonus episode, we are talking about Britney Murphy
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  Speaker 1: and Brittany has Us talking about some really really bad moms,
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  Speaker 1: and of course we are diving into your voicemails, text
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  Speaker 1: and more and as always, a whole lot of rosie.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Discos, let's get into it. Being a mom
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  Speaker 1: is one of the toughest jobs there is. The hours
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  Speaker 1: are long, endless, even in the pay. Depending on your
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  Speaker 1: lot in life, it could be short. I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: mom in case you couldn't tell. I have one, though,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm also married to one. And I also have
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  Speaker 1: a mother in law. And I even have a sibling
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  Speaker 1: who is a mom. I am lucky. All the moms
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  Speaker 1: that I know are great. I admire them. I'm even
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  Speaker 1: inspired by them. Dad's by comparison. I know firsthand we
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  Speaker 1: have it easy and kids, well, if they have good moms,
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  Speaker 1: they're probably doing okay. But what about bad moms? If
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  Speaker 1: you listen to this week's episode on Britney Murphy, you
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  Speaker 1: know where my head is at. Bad moms are a
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  Speaker 1: thing more of a thing historically, both in Hollywood and
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  Speaker 1: beyond than I realized. The true crime bad mom corner
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  Speaker 1: of the street is a fascinated one. I ever heard
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  Speaker 1: of Mob Barker, the Barker Gang from the nineteen thirties.
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  Speaker 1: Mob Barker was a horrendous mom. Her criminal compulsions made
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  Speaker 1: quick felons out of her four sons, Arthur, Herman, Fred,
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  Speaker 1: and Lloyd. Murderers. These guys, armed, robbers, kidnappers, the Barker Boys,
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  Speaker 1: they did a little bit of it all at the
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  Speaker 1: behest of their gangster mom, and for it, they were
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  Speaker 1: all either gunned down or in prison, including Mob Barker herself,
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  Speaker 1: who was shot and killed by FBI agents alongside her
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  Speaker 1: son Fred in nineteen thirty five. Nice work, Mom. Does
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  Speaker 1: the name Mary Anne Cotton ring a bell for any
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  Speaker 1: of you? True crime historians out there. This is another
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  Speaker 1: Mom of the Year candidate. Marianne was. She was a bad, bad, bad,
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  Speaker 1: bad bad person. She poisoned and killed eleven of her
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  Speaker 1: thirteen children. Can you imagine eleven of her thirteen kids.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm laughing. It's absurd, It's fucking nuts.
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  Speaker 1: She also murdered four of her husbands, two of her lovers,
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  Speaker 1: two other lucky souls. The insurance scam was Marianne Cotton's game.
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  Speaker 1: Marianne had quite a kill sheet for her mother by
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  Speaker 1: the time Scotland Yard wrangled her into custody, and her
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  Speaker 1: demise was violent, painful, and not a good one, to
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  Speaker 1: say the least. Sex Pistols bass guitarist Sid Vicious punk
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  Speaker 1: rock icon. As a young child, he was used as
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  Speaker 1: a drug mule by his mother and Beverly. His mother
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  Speaker 1: was also responsible for Sid's early addiction to heroin. Sid's
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  Speaker 1: mother's involvement in his death long believed to be a
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  Speaker 1: self inflicted lethal heroin Doris. This is the subject of
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  Speaker 1: the second episode that we ever produced on Disgracecent. For
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  Speaker 1: those who haven't heard it, I'm not going to spoil
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  Speaker 1: it for you, but I will say that the bad
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  Speaker 1: mom vibes go far beyond the illegal drug muling and
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  Speaker 1: are quite suspicious. So you should check that sid vicious
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  Speaker 1: episode out if you have not already, and if you
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  Speaker 1: have heard it, you should listen to it again because
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  Speaker 1: it's a wild story, especially upon re listening all these
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  Speaker 1: moms and we haven't even entered Hollywood yet. Okay, Drew
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  Speaker 1: Barrymore's mom, Jade, introduced her daughter Drew, who was a
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  Speaker 1: bona fide star by the age of seven, to the
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  Speaker 1: wild goings on inside of Manhattan's Studio fifty four at
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  Speaker 1: just the tender age of nine years old, where drugs,
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  Speaker 1: mainly cocaine for young Drew were readily available and mom
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  Speaker 1: was quick to pour the baileies over young Drew's ice cream.
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  Speaker 1: By the time Drew was twelve, she tried killing herself
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  Speaker 1: and her mom had her committed to a psych ward. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Brooke Shields, Okay, Brooke Shields's mother had Brooke posing in
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  Speaker 1: Playboy at the age of ten. How was that legal?
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  Speaker 1: You ask? I don't know, and I'm not confirming whether
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  Speaker 1: or not ten year old Brookshields posed nude or not
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  Speaker 1: because I'm afraid to enter those words. Into my search
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  Speaker 1: bar for fear of having to do some awkward Pete
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  Speaker 1: Townsend type quote unquote research explanation in front of a
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  Speaker 1: future judge. So you guys can figure that one out
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  Speaker 1: all on your own. There are more bad moms, of course,
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  Speaker 1: this is just the tip of the iceberg. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even mention Dina Lohan or Joan Crawford, and you guys
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  Speaker 1: likely know those stories. My point is that, like the
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  Speaker 1: stories I mentioned stories, I'm betting most of us weren't
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  Speaker 1: aware of the story of Britney Murphy's mother, a story
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  Speaker 1: told in this week's full episode of Disgray s Land,
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  Speaker 1: is a story that is also largely unknown, and it
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  Speaker 1: is highly suspicious. Perhaps the reason it's so unknown is
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  Speaker 1: because it's hard to tell the story without using conjecture.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like Britney Murphy's mother was ever convicted or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. She was not. She was barely even accused.
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  Speaker 1: The whole story is so damn messy and ugly that
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  Speaker 1: I can just I just I can tell people just
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  Speaker 1: avoid it. It's gross. They don't want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: And it should be noted that Sharon Murphy, Brittany Murphy's mom,
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  Speaker 1: refutes basically everything to Britney's father alleges, including the toxicology
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  Speaker 1: report that said the circumstantial evidence seems if not damning,
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  Speaker 1: then super super suspicious, And we can all look up
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  Speaker 1: the facts and we can listen to the Britney Murphy
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgrace sand and make up our own minds
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  Speaker 1: and come to our own judgment. Anyway, you kind of
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  Speaker 1: tell Brittany Murphy's death highly suspicious, and Brittany Murphy was,
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  Speaker 1: of course a celebrity, and that prompted my question to
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  Speaker 1: you guys about which celebrities you think died most suspiciously,
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  Speaker 1: Which celebrity cause of death you're calling bullshit on. More
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  Speaker 1: of that coming up later in this bonus episode, But
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  Speaker 1: in the meantime, speaking of celebrities, we have a whopper
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  Speaker 1: of an icon coming next week in our episode on
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  Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock, and this episode looks almost explicitly at the
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  Speaker 1: famous director's controlling relationship with his starlet, Tippy Hedron and
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  Speaker 1: the abuse that he put her through during the filming
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  Speaker 1: of his iconic movie The Birds. Control is obviously the theme
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  Speaker 1: for this episode, specifically male dominated exploitative control. So as
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  Speaker 1: you listen to this upcoming Alfred Hitchcock episode, which is
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  Speaker 1: a very critical look I should say at one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite directors, a man whose talent was almost immeasurable.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this guy just he invented new ways from
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  Speaker 1: making movies. It's calling him talented seems like an understatement. Nonetheless,
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  Speaker 1: he was incredibly problematic. So perhaps another thing to think
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  Speaker 1: about while you're listening to this upcoming Alfred Hitchcock episode
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  Speaker 1: is what I'm calling the Hitchcock dilemma, which is the
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  Speaker 1: problem that we all have in this modern age, this
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  Speaker 1: age of information. And the problem is this, we love
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  Speaker 1: a director's films, but we know that this director was
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  Speaker 1: a miserable, her full son of a bitch and made
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  Speaker 1: people's lives miserable. But that doesn't make the movies any
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  Speaker 1: less watchable. So what do we do? Okay? Well, for me,
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  Speaker 1: I wish I could find it in me to signal
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  Speaker 1: some sort of honest virtue here, but I cannot. If
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  Speaker 1: it were announced tomorrow that Alfred Hitchcock was the goddamn
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  Speaker 1: Zodiac killer, I don't think it would make me like
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  Speaker 1: Rear Window any less. Okay, So the thing to think
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  Speaker 1: about when you're listening to the Disgraceline episode on Alfred Hitchcock,
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  Speaker 1: is which problematic director or problematic actors film can you
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  Speaker 1: not go without? Despite their horrific behavior. Richard Pryor was
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  Speaker 1: violent towards the women in his life. But if I'm
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  Speaker 1: cruising the channels at night and I come across the toy,
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  Speaker 1: or if I'm on YouTube scrolling around and I see
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  Speaker 1: some prior stand up bits from on YouTube, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: not watching those things. Okay, and Woody Allen come on
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  Speaker 1: man Any Hall Manhattan, two of the greatest films ever made,
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  Speaker 1: and the problems that would come to later partly define
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  Speaker 1: Woody Allen are now obvious in both of those films.
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  Speaker 1: But still are we not going to watch those movies?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe some of you won't, and if you don't, I
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  Speaker 1: can't blame you. But I think the question that I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to ask you guys for next week is going
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  Speaker 1: to be about which problematic directors and actors have films
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  Speaker 1: that you just can't do without? Who are they, who
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  Speaker 1: are the directors, who are the actors, and what are
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  Speaker 1: those films that are too good to not watch? Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: That's all part of the upcoming out for a Hitchcock
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  Speaker 1: episode of disgrace sandwhich is up and just a bit
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  Speaker 1: in your feeds. I'll be back in just a bit
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  Speaker 1: with your calls in your text all right. And last
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: week's after party we talked a lot about heavy metal bands,
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  Speaker 1: big selling heavy metal bands, all relative to of course
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: last week's Metallic episode, and I mentioned Tool, and that
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  Speaker 1: prompted a lot of feedback from you guys on the
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  Speaker 1: need apparently for a Tool episode of Disgraceland, perhaps perhaps
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  Speaker 1: in the future. In the meantime, here's Gretchen in the
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  Speaker 1: four h two with some much needed female perspective.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Jake, Gretchen from the four roh two. I have
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  Speaker 3: a question, how come you don't like send Lizzy? Just kidding? Hey,
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  Speaker 3: girls at like Tool. Me being one of them forty
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  Speaker 3: nine years young, nineteen ninety four, I first got put
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  Speaker 3: on to them, great album, and I think a lot
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: of what they say, some of the double on tondras,
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: some of the lyrics, some of the deeper, darker stuff
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  Speaker 3: resonated with kids that were born in the seventies, went
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: kind of read in the eighties, and a lot of
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: that hit home. So we interpreted those lyrics and obviously
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  Speaker 3: the music was great watching him at a concert turned
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: his back to people in his underwear and performed that way.
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  Speaker 3: The whole show not as cool, but definitely the music
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  Speaker 3: very cool. Still read still holds up. I still listened
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: to a lot of songs Prison Sex, Good One, three Libras,
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: Perfect Circle, his Breakoff. Listen to that also. But did
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: you see those kids that covered forty six and two?
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: The whole orchestra of kids from this middle school band?
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  Speaker 3: Director said, hey, cover forty six and two, and they did,
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  Speaker 3: and it's on YouTube. It is pretty epic. Have a
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  Speaker 3: great day, rock a rolla.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Gretchen. I've seen two a couple of times myself,
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  Speaker 1: and I can't say that I remember the underwear in
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  Speaker 1: the back to the audience thing, but that might say
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  Speaker 1: more about me than it does the band. Regardless. It's
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: like I hints. Like I mentioned at the beginning, it's
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  Speaker 1: cool to get a female perspective on this band. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you, Gretchen. Guys six one seven nine
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: six six six three eight if you want to be
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: awesome like Gretchen and chime in on voicemail or text
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: the five to one three texts in. Hey, the Metallica
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  Speaker 1: episode was insane. You summed up that era of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite band in a great way. Paying tribute to Cliff
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: was monumental. The story about the murder in Texas was
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  Speaker 1: news to me. The only thing I think you should
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: have worked on is how Cliff's dad encouraged the band
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  Speaker 1: to continue on without his blessing in the push. The
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  Speaker 1: demise of Cliff's legacy would have been a real disgrace.
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  Speaker 1: And that's so true. We didn't cover Cliff's father influence
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  Speaker 1: on Metallica after his son's death. Uh, thank you five p.
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  Speaker 1: One three for pointing that out. Appreciate it very much.
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  Speaker 1: As stated earlier, one of the subjects we've been discussing
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  Speaker 1: obviously has been this BS celebrity cause of death relative
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  Speaker 1: to the Britney Murphy episode and the six one seven
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  Speaker 1: right saying, Hey, Jake, it's NICKI. I think one of
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  Speaker 1: the suspicious deaths of two thousands is Aliyah. They said
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: she was afraid of small planes and that she had
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: been medicated before boarding that plane from the Bahamas, and
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: that her security guard had to carry her on. Hmmm, yes, suspicious, Nikki,
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  Speaker 1: And I can tell you, Nikki, we are right now
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  Speaker 1: working on in Aaliyah episode. So I hope you dig
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  Speaker 1: it all right? More women chiming in on Tool. I
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  Speaker 1: got to read this one. It's funny. This is Cheesecake
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  Speaker 1: from the five but one, Jake love you. But girls
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  Speaker 1: are indeed into Tool. Sure, dudes are the majority, but
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of us gals that love them too.
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  Speaker 1: I became a fan back in the late nineties, fell
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: in love with the lyrical genius first, then the musical technicality.
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  Speaker 1: Danny on the I'm so good they rock. I love them.
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  Speaker 1: I am a woman. Hear me roar at a Tool show.
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  Speaker 1: Cheesecake from the five oh one. Thank you you have
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  Speaker 1: been heard? Okay. I hope you know that you've been
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  Speaker 1: heard and you are appreciated. And I'm thankful for the
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  Speaker 1: female perspective on one of the most beloved apparently metal
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  Speaker 1: bands of all time. Tool, a band that I guess
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  Speaker 1: I was kind of taken for granted, A band that
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go back and check out, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: a band that perhaps we will cover in Disgraceland at
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  Speaker 1: some point if I can find some angle in that
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  Speaker 1: is disgraceful. That's that's my thinking. There's got to be
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  Speaker 1: something there. They've been around for too long. Banana Underscore.
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  Speaker 1: Diaz x X exclamation Point writes in on X Strange
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  Speaker 1: Celebrity Deaths that I am not believing Maril Monroe covered
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  Speaker 1: so well in your episodes. Hey, thank you, I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: Don't mean to be self congratulatory there by reading your text,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I think the Marilyn Monroe is the Grand
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  Speaker 1: Pooba of bullshit celebrity death, celebrity causes of death. Sorry?
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  Speaker 1: Did I say that correctly? I think I did? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: All right, what else we got here? Hold? I want
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  Speaker 1: to get some more dms at Disgrace and pod guys
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  Speaker 1: this is on Facebook, I believe, although I can't tell
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  Speaker 1: on the Facebook app. What is a Facebook message? And
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  Speaker 1: what is an Instagram message? Anymore? Oh? This is Instagram?
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  Speaker 1: This is Liam Retton writes in just listen to the
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  Speaker 1: entire Brittany Murphy podcast. Brilliant. Loved it so well thought
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  Speaker 1: out and structured. Your voice is next level good. You
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  Speaker 1: actually sound like Sean Mullens and the song Shimmer. Super cool,
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  Speaker 1: great pod mate, Thanks Liam, appreciate you. Glad you dig
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  Speaker 1: in the podcast. Now I need to go check out
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: some Sean Mullens. Andrew Grant writes in on the Brittany
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  Speaker 1: Murphy episode, one of the saddest stories you put together.
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  Speaker 1: Love the team's work, man, Andrew, you got it, and
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  Speaker 1: now about a massively famous celebrity, Matthew Perry from Friends,
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  Speaker 1: and those of you who are on our Patreon you
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  Speaker 1: know this already. Forgive me because I've been talking about
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  Speaker 1: this in the chat over there and just mentioning it,
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  Speaker 1: and it's I can't I don't know if I can
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  Speaker 1: say it's one of the most human stories I've ever researched.
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  Speaker 1: But there there's something going on with this research where
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  Speaker 1: it is supremely depressing. Now, listen, I didn't grow up
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  Speaker 1: a Matthew Perry fan. I didn't even grow up a
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  Speaker 1: Friends fan. I came to Friends late, like when it
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  Speaker 1: went on Netflix, or years after it went on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: I became a Friends fan after I'd already devoured Seinfeld
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  Speaker 1: like five times. I actively disliked Friends back in the nineties,
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  Speaker 1: and then I came to I came to someone. I
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  Speaker 1: heard someone talk about the first season and how it
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  Speaker 1: was actually really great. So I got interested and I
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  Speaker 1: watched it, and I got looped in and I started
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  Speaker 1: to appreciate it. And I can appreciate, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: can appreciate big mainstream popcorny commercial content, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: like I can appreciate Gg Allen. They're different thing, but
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  Speaker 1: I can see the value in both. But I say
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  Speaker 1: this to just point out that I did not grow
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  Speaker 1: up like a you know, a fanatic for Friends or
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Perry or anything like that. And I found myself
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  Speaker 1: researching this episode, and frankly, I found myself to be
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  Speaker 1: legitimately depressed over it. It is a sad, sad episode
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  Speaker 1: to research. It is a sad story, and the the
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  Speaker 1: the human piece of it, the addiction, the disease that
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  Speaker 1: this guy had, the toll that it took on his life.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's hard to digest, and it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: even harder to write. And I'm not going to write
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  Speaker 1: it like some tabloidy bullshit. I'm going to write it
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  Speaker 1: so that the human piece of it is right there
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  Speaker 1: at the center of the story. And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: why you guys keep showing up here. And I appreciate you,
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  Speaker 1: and I appreciate you found Punk for calling that out
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  Speaker 1: in the in the reviews there on Apple Podcasts. I
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  Speaker 1: want to read this other review you here too, because
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  Speaker 1: it brings up a big, a larger point for me.
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  Speaker 1: This one is from Megan Locke and it says great writing,
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  Speaker 1: great style. Five stars is on Apple Podcasts. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm listening to a script written
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  Speaker 1: by AI. Great work, love all your picks for topics,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: awesome variety. I say this not to be self congratulatory,
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  Speaker 1: though I'm not immune to that, as you can tell
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  Speaker 1: from from these episodes. But the Megan's Megan's larger point here, right,
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  Speaker 1: the AI piece of it, This is something that I'm
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  Speaker 1: in real fear of. I'm not in fear of AI
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  Speaker 1: taking my job. That will never happen. You know. AI
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  Speaker 1: might might affect my job so that I make less
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  Speaker 1: money in the future, but whatever. Uh. The piece here
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  Speaker 1: that I'm afraid of is if you go on to UH,
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  Speaker 1: if you go onto YouTube and you serve there some
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: great storytellers on YouTube, but the YouTube algorithm, and I
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  Speaker 1: fear that this is going to happen with all of
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  Speaker 1: the big social media content players Instagram, Meta, et cetera, TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: the YouTube algori of them. Anyways, it rewards it seems
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  Speaker 1: to reward neutral broad storytelling. Okay, just like mainstream network
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  Speaker 1: television or mainstream blockbuster filmmaking in past years has has
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  Speaker 1: favored safe, neutral storytelling because it can reach the biggest
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  Speaker 1: possible audience. And that's what YouTube is interested in, creators
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  Speaker 1: making content that can reach as many people as possible
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  Speaker 1: and offend as few people as possible. And they have
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  Speaker 1: all these safe cards in place, and I understand why
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  Speaker 1: they have them, But at the same time, it's not
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  Speaker 1: like they have real humans sitting back and protecting against
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  Speaker 1: harmful content. This is all sort of, as I understand it,
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  Speaker 1: AI protected, and it causes if you're a creator, you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be dinged. You don't want to be
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to be kicked off the platform. You
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: don't you don't want your content and not reach people
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  Speaker 1: and to be not recommended by the algorithm. So creators
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  Speaker 1: are sort of forced into this lane to create very
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  Speaker 1: very safe content. And as we grow, as the media
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  Speaker 1: industry grows over these next few years, and the mainstream
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  Speaker 1: channels of content distribution get more and more fragmented, and
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  Speaker 1: creators have less and less control over how they promote
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  Speaker 1: their content through other traditional means, other partners with either
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  Speaker 1: studios or normal distribution channels. It's I just, I really,
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  Speaker 1: really fear that we are headed toward a place where
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  Speaker 1: it will almost entirely just be the safe storytelling, because
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  Speaker 1: that's the only type of storytelling that the algorithms are
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  Speaker 1: going to reward. And these big social media content companies,
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  Speaker 1: they have everybody else boxed out. And yes, the Internet
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  Speaker 1: is a great equalizer and we can all just make
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  Speaker 1: whatever we want and put it out into the world. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: but we are governed by how these algorithms treat our content.
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  Speaker 1: So when Meghan here talks about she's happy that Disgraceland
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  Speaker 1: is not just some script written by AI. Meghan, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know where we're gonna be in ten years, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: something tells me that we're going to be in a very,
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  Speaker 1: very tough place where there will be the sort of
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  Speaker 1: top one percent of content creators who will be so
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  Speaker 1: huge and He'll have audiences that are so so big
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  Speaker 1: that they will be able to sort of do whatever
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  Speaker 1: they want, write whatever they want. But the majority of
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  Speaker 1: other content creators, the smaller ones, are going to have to,
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  Speaker 1: if not use AI to write their content right in
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  Speaker 1: a way that is similar to AI. And that to
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  Speaker 1: me is very fucking scary. So Meghan, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: you inspired this rant. Thank you hit us up, got
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  Speaker 1: want to know how you believe she died. Was it
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  Speaker 1: the mom theory or the dad theory? Okay, not that
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  Speaker 1: the dad is theorized who have killed her? But the
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  Speaker 1: dad has his own theories. I guess that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm about to get out of here, but before I do,
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  Speaker 1: before next week's Alfred Hitchcock episode, there will be a
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  Speaker 1: As usual, guys, we have so many episodes in our archive.
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  Speaker 1: We talked a lot about Bad Moms today and I
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  Speaker 1: five and one oh six from back on July twelfth.
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  Speaker 1: In July twenty six, twenty twenty two, and for perhaps
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• 25:53
  Speaker 1: in the Dominoes episode featuring a session drummer, the homicidal
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  Speaker 1: Jim Gordon. This is one of my favorite episodes. I
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  Speaker 1: But this is just it's so good. Go check it
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  Speaker 1: out if you haven't heard it already. It was released
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  Speaker 1: back December fourteenth, twenty twenty one. That's episode number ninety two.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Boden mixed the shit out of this episode. Really
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  Speaker 1: sounds great, sounds fucking great. Still love the way this
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  Speaker 1: one sounds all right. That brings us to nearly in end, folks,
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  Speaker 1: So let's recap Shallow number one right now on your feed.
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  Speaker 1: A brand new episode on Brittany Murphy number two coming tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: a special rewind episode from our archive. And we are
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  Speaker 1: talking Alfred Hitchcock next week. In the Hitchcock Dilemma, I e.
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  Speaker 1: Directors who, despite their problematic behavior, created movies so great
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  Speaker 1: Number four. Remember no one cares about great storytelling more
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• 27:02
  Speaker 1: In honor of Britney Murphy Gone too soon. On December twenty,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, this is me reading to you
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  Speaker 1: the Billboard charts from the week of Miss Murphy's death.
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  Speaker 1: Number one Empire State of Mind, jay Z and Alicia
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  Speaker 1: Keys last week one, peak position one weeks on chart fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: Number two TikTok Kesha last week three, peak position two
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  Speaker 1: weeks on chart ten. Number three, Bad Romance Lady Gaga
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  Speaker 1: last week two, peak position two weeks on chart seven
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  Speaker 1: weeks on Number four Replay number three, Elias Pos last
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  Speaker 1: week peak position last week four, two weeks on chart seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: Number five, Fireflies Number Fowls last week last week live
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  Speaker 1: position peak position four, s assn.
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  Speaker 2: Six, Show six, Jesus Funny Story six cut decision.
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  Speaker 1: Last quit talking and start mixing.
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  Speaker 3: Could