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SMNTY Classics: K-Pop Demon Hunter · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't know from
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Speaker 1: stuff I never told your production. iHeartRadio, and today we
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Speaker 1: are bringing back a recent episode as a classic, but
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Speaker 1: one that is important relevant right now, and it's the
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Speaker 1: one we did on k Pop Demon Hunter.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and excuse my squeaky voice, but I'm very excited
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Speaker 2: because obviously they had a great award season, including when
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Speaker 2: an oscars. I mean, come on, who knew that k
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Speaker 2: pop and Korean culture would be celebrated in such a way.
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Speaker 2: I was also excited to see that performance. Anny, did
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Speaker 2: you watch that performance? No, so it opens up not
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Speaker 2: just because of you know, the song, like everybody has
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Speaker 2: opinions about the song, but at the beginning they had pensori,
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Speaker 2: which is like an old school Korean folk singing, and
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Speaker 2: they really brought in the women with the humbucks doing
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Speaker 2: performances and doing traditional dances along with like traditional Korean
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Speaker 2: folk songs at the middle of an Oscar and I
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Speaker 2: teared up. So being able to see this in this
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Speaker 2: type of representation when for so long, like I was
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Speaker 2: grasping at things, it felt timely, we needed it, and
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Speaker 2: I felt like, yes, we need to talk about this again.
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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely well, please enjoy this classic episode.
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Speaker 3: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha.
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Speaker 1: I'm welcome to stuff. I never told your proflection, have
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Speaker 1: I heard you?
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Speaker 3: And we decided as this month has become kind of
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Speaker 3: crunch time in our years, there's so many things extra happening,
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Speaker 3: including yeah Stewey duty, Yeah that's the curse and I
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Speaker 3: got it, and I got it, it got me. But
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Speaker 3: with that also dragon cons coming up, so we got
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Speaker 3: so many things. We've got so many things happening, we
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Speaker 3: decided we would add a spoiled Saturday episode. But it
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Speaker 3: fits pretty perfectly with our childhood memories theme that we've
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Speaker 3: been doing this month. So for today's episode, we are
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Speaker 3: featuring K Pop Demon Hunter, which is on Netflix. Not
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Speaker 3: a sponsor. Uh, if you want to take a moment
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Speaker 3: and go watch it, you should before we talk about it.
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Speaker 3: If you don't and you just won't hear what it's about,
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Speaker 3: that's fine too. I wouldn't need that as well. But obviously,
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Speaker 3: since it was just released, spoilers spoilers all around, So
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Speaker 3: if you don't, yes, so if you don't want to
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Speaker 3: be spoiled, I would not listen to this all right,
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Speaker 3: So some background why this has made its mark in
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Speaker 3: entertainment thus far. It is a Sony production, so the
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Speaker 3: same people as Spider Verse that any absolutely loves. Uh.
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Speaker 3: This is the first movie written and directed by Korean
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Speaker 3: Canadian Maggie Kung with Chris Applehan's so they co directed it.
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Speaker 3: But this is a story that Maggie has been working
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Speaker 3: on for quite some time, so she wanted to combine
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Speaker 3: her heritage with the legends and history of South Korea.
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Speaker 3: She is a seasoned storyteller, working previously with DreamWorks on
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Speaker 3: animations like Kung Fu, Panda, Shrek, and Mini Mini Moore.
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Speaker 3: She told geek Out that this about k pop Demon Hunter.
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Speaker 3: I've always wanted to see an animated film set in
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Speaker 3: Korean culture as a Korean person who was born in
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Speaker 3: Korea but grew up in North America. It's been surreal
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Speaker 3: but also incredible to see our culture just become so cool.
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Speaker 3: It's cheesy, but I think it's true. Growing up, everyone
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Speaker 3: knew Chinese and Japanese culture well, but Koreans were not
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Speaker 3: even on the map. Now that we are, I feel
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Speaker 3: so much pride, and I just wanted to express this
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Speaker 3: pride through a film that celebrated our culture. All aspects
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Speaker 3: of it. So my biggest inspiration for this film is
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Speaker 3: my culture, so gotta love that. And yes, this animation
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Speaker 3: has made Netflix history, or so they say. This is
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Speaker 3: what they wrote on Twitter. It is the first Netflix
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Speaker 3: film ever to reach a new viewing peak in its
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Speaker 3: fifth week of release. Yeah, and this isn't the only
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Speaker 3: record so on Netflix in itself. They were talking about
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Speaker 3: how they have hit the number one spot later, so
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Speaker 3: it kind of grew into hype and it got bigger
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Speaker 3: and bigger and bigger as more and more people watched it. Again,
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Speaker 3: it isn't the only record they broke. In fact, this
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Speaker 3: is this fake group Hunterricks, which is centered around has
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Speaker 3: actually become the highest charting K pop girl group in
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Speaker 3: the US Spotify list charts, beating the likes of Black
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Speaker 3: Pink and others along with the Sajo Boys. Again, a
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Speaker 3: fake group who became the highest charting K pop boy
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Speaker 3: band in US Spotify history, beating even BTS. So apparently
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Speaker 3: BTS only hit number three or I think three with
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Speaker 3: Dynamite a few years ago. But yeah, they it has
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Speaker 3: outstripped that once again, a fake K pop group as
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Speaker 3: made that kind of history. They've been charting on things
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Speaker 3: like the billboard charts and so much more so, they're
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Speaker 3: doing a thing. They're doing a thing. The significance of
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Speaker 3: this movie has reignited the love and popularity of K
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Speaker 3: pop as it is slowly. It's still pretty popular, but
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Speaker 3: it's slowly been waning as of late. I see, I think,
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Speaker 3: and yes, the cosplay, the costplay is made amazing and
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Speaker 3: my my FYP for TikTok has been flooding of people
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Speaker 3: doing the costplay and I love every bit of it
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Speaker 3: because it looks so good. There is a scene Annie,
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Speaker 3: I know, you know, in which they have one of
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Speaker 3: the members of Huntres dressing up as a sleeping in
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Speaker 3: the sleeping bag for the met gala, and people are like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I finally found the perfect costume.
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Speaker 1: I gotta get that comfortable one.
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Speaker 3: I love it so much so, but again it also
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Speaker 3: has We also get a glimpse of some Korean lore
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Speaker 3: and history, including the costuming. The legends of the Saja
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Speaker 3: which means lion. Also, uh, there's Saja is kind of
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Speaker 3: like a grim reapern which I'm gonna get into a
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Speaker 3: little bit. More women who are shamans and moudane who
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Speaker 3: protect and heal the lands even the weapons that we
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Speaker 3: see the Hundreds use are historic Korean warrior weapons, including
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Speaker 3: the four tiger sword or the sun coom used by Rumi,
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Speaker 3: the car curved sword or the Koktou used by Mirah,
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Speaker 3: and the spirit knife the Shinkar, which also carries the
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Speaker 3: Nori gay, which is connected to feminine spiritual power and traditions.
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Speaker 3: They are then nodded with like strings and gems that
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Speaker 3: you will often see on hymn books. I actually have
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Speaker 3: one about one, but they are very gorgeous and they
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Speaker 3: it is kind of a representation of the spiritual and
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Speaker 3: femininity of it all, so it has a lot. They
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Speaker 3: incorporate quite a bit of the lore. So let's get
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Speaker 3: into the plot. The world is in need of protection
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Speaker 3: and has been for all of eternity, and those who
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Speaker 3: have been called are the Hunters, typically a group of
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Speaker 3: three women with beautiful voices that can call on the
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Speaker 3: hun Moon, which is not an actual historical lord. They
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Speaker 3: made this up for specifically the movie, just so you know,
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Speaker 3: And as a writer from the kidnim draws dot Com explains,
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Speaker 3: it makes up of two words they think, which is Johan,
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Speaker 3: which is the word for soul and spirit, and Moon
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Speaker 3: which is commonly the word for door. I think maybe
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Speaker 3: it can also be used for gait so spirits door.
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Speaker 3: This is a shield that covers and protects the earth
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Speaker 3: from the entrances of demons who come to feed on
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Speaker 3: the soul of humans. The leader of the world and
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Speaker 3: the demons is the great and evil Gwimma, And throughout
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Speaker 3: the lifetime, different women have been called to protect and
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Speaker 3: become Hunters of the world. For this timeline, specifically, we
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Speaker 3: have Hunterrecks, a made up of three women. Rumi a
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Speaker 3: nepo baby. She's a baby, but she is a part
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Speaker 3: of the lineage, the daughter of a previous hunter and
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Speaker 3: leader of the group, and she is the leader of
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Speaker 3: huntres Then we have Mirah, an outcast and the lead dancer.
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Speaker 3: She's kind of like dark and you know emo ish
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Speaker 3: got the attitude. And then we have Zoe, who is
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Speaker 3: the adorable writer and rapper from Bourbank, California who's representing
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Speaker 3: with them. They have been trained and led by previous
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Speaker 3: Hunter Selene, who was in the girl group with Rumy's mother,
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Speaker 3: who has this motto, we are Hunters voices strong, your
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Speaker 3: falts and fears must never be seen, and they carry
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Speaker 3: that to the core to their detriment. Hint Hint Hunters
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Speaker 3: has become a huge popsis star success. They've been using
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Speaker 3: their music to chill the world and they're really good
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Speaker 3: at it. However, we soon find out that Rumy has
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Speaker 3: a secret. Her father was a demon, making her part
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Speaker 3: demon with the patterns that play the demons, so we
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Speaker 3: will see that they all have little patterns that mark
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Speaker 3: them as demons. Selene teaching Rumy that she must hide
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Speaker 3: the patterns from the group and others, and that the
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Speaker 3: only solution is to be rid of those patterns, which
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Speaker 3: can only be done once the demons are vanquished by
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Speaker 3: the Golden han Moon, which is very hard to bring about. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: with the release of their newest song, Golden, the hon
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Speaker 3: Moon seems to actually start turning gold, which is great,
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Speaker 3: and they push the hype of the song in time
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Speaker 3: for their upcoming award show, IDOL Awards, which is one
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Speaker 3: of the best times to strengthen the han Moon. However,
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Speaker 3: the demon in the demon world we seek Weema working
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Speaker 3: to try to destroy the Hunters as well as get
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Speaker 3: all those souls, and here we're introduced to Genu, who
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Speaker 3: comes up with a brilliant plan a demon boy band
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Speaker 3: the Saja Boys, and with their introduction, they are a hit,
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Speaker 3: and the timing couldn't be worse as Rumy's voice is
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Speaker 3: only getting worse as she tries to hide her secret.
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Speaker 3: Soon as the battles continue and the Saja Boys are
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Speaker 3: gaining popularity, we see the enemy to lovers trope between
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Speaker 3: Rumy and Genu, also the deepening mistrust between the girls,
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Speaker 3: and an awesome disc track I'm kidding, It's not awesome,
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Speaker 3: but it's fun. It's a banger. During the award show,
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Speaker 3: Roomy's secret is a revealed, the hon Moon seems to
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Speaker 3: have been destroyed, and the Saja Boys open up the
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Speaker 3: hell gates, but we have a heartwarming volume moment with
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Speaker 3: Roomy and the girls which go into an epic battle
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Speaker 3: and a new song where Genu sacrifices himself, realizing that
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Speaker 3: he needs his soul back and wants to fix things,
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Speaker 3: and the hon Moon turns golden and the demons are
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Speaker 3: driven out as well as Guima Tada. So that is
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Speaker 3: essentially the plot for this movie. So there are obviously
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Speaker 3: themes you ready. First, before we get into that, Annie,
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Speaker 3: what did you think about this this movie?
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I thought it was beautifully animated,
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Speaker 1: which is funny to be because I always know you
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Speaker 1: don't like animation. I know that was one of the
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Speaker 1: things that he took out to me, that it was
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Speaker 1: beautifully animated, really interesting in the animation choices. And of
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Speaker 1: course a nice good friendship story.
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Speaker 3: You love love.
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Speaker 4: A good friendship story is so good, it's so bad,
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Speaker 4: all right.
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Speaker 3: So one of the biggest themes, obviously is the good
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Speaker 3: versus evil trope. We have the saja or also known
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Speaker 3: against as a chosun saja, which is a grid ripper.
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Speaker 3: So there's play all words ha ha ha, who are
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Speaker 3: entering here because they realize if song can build a shield,
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Speaker 3: what if a song can also break the shield? And
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Speaker 3: if you go in and listen to their last song,
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Speaker 3: be your idol. Yeah. People have had mixed reactions in that.
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Speaker 3: I think if I had tried to watch this as
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Speaker 3: a kid, if my parents understood what this was, they
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Speaker 3: wouldn't let me watch it because of the demon factor
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Speaker 3: because they're like singing Latin. They're singing some chants and
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Speaker 3: it's pretty much a curse over the people.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And and Guma is like a big devil
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Speaker 1: mouth with that thing. Yeah yeah, but I do think
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Speaker 1: that's interesting because you see that before and a lot
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Speaker 1: of you know, using the song to ask the spell.
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Speaker 1: And I know we've been talking about fandom and K
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Speaker 1: pop recently, but I thought that sort of like switch
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Speaker 1: from we love Hunterricks to we love the Sajay like
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Speaker 1: people are literally like tearing off their shirts. Now I'm
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Speaker 1: their fan now. I thought that was a very I
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Speaker 1: liked that take on like the fandom and also just
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Speaker 1: intertwining that with lore of Korean history, but also this
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Speaker 1: idea of like casting that spell.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and the fact that that they earned the trust
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Speaker 3: so easily by being good looking boy band.
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Speaker 1: Yeah right.
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Speaker 3: And then also if you notice, I liked how like
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Speaker 3: at the beginning the Saja boys were really parky, happy,
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Speaker 3: respectful in pink like they were definitely playing and to
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Speaker 3: like see you we're good people, which is kind of
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Speaker 3: how you have to build up a lot of K
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Speaker 3: pop bands or groups is to be like in almost
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Speaker 3: innocent and fantilizing to this point in order for that success.
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Speaker 3: Like they literally have a character called Baby Saja who
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Speaker 3: throughout the times is just sucking on a bottle. You're like, okay,
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Speaker 3: that's a little much in it, a little much, but
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Speaker 3: there you go. Yeah, it definitely works. But we do
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Speaker 3: have that level of like who's good who's bad, and
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Speaker 3: the blurring of those lines. What is evil? Is everyone
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Speaker 3: just inherently evil? Obviously demons would you would assume or
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Speaker 3: be would be the evil ones. But here we have
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Speaker 3: Ginu who gives a backstory about the fact that they'd
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Speaker 3: be all being punished because of whatever deeds that were.
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Speaker 3: I was a little confused because some of these demons
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Speaker 3: I don't think were they all humans that once upon
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Speaker 3: a time that get taken by demons or they just
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Speaker 3: marked and born that way because we see like Roomy
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Speaker 3: her father, So what is what is the chicken or
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Speaker 3: the egg situation here? But it does bring to the
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Speaker 3: point of like canned demons change who are inherently evil
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Speaker 3: and so we should want them to die. But it's
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Speaker 3: not so black and right.
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Speaker 1: Listen. I try not to do this all the time,
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Speaker 1: but it reminds me of Star Wars. Oh okay, well,
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Speaker 1: just the idea of like there's a difference between from
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Speaker 1: Star Wars people out there. There's a difference between a
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Speaker 1: Sith who enjoyed, who chose that, and then someone who
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Speaker 1: does evil because they were tortured and created to do that.
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Speaker 1: So I think that's like I felt that they were
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Speaker 1: similar shades. I would imagine there are similar shades of
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Speaker 1: people who kind of chose this thing, people who through
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Speaker 1: various reasons maybe fell into it or chose it now
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Speaker 1: regret it and to change, and then people who were
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Speaker 1: born with it but are fighting against it, Like this
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Speaker 1: is those shades or gradations.
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Speaker 3: Gradations yes, yes, which also brings me to the story,
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Speaker 3: like what is the backstory of Rumy's parents? I feel
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Speaker 3: like this might be saved for later. I don't know,
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Speaker 3: I will save like megge Kong no longer is with Sony,
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Speaker 3: and some of that had to deal with the issues
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Speaker 3: of Sony. So we don't know. But we also know
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Speaker 3: that corporations are greedy, and we'll be like, yeah, we
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Speaker 3: can do it without you. Look at Crazy Rich Asian,
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Speaker 3: in which they took a very Asian story written by
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Speaker 3: an Asian person and booted out the Asian screenwriter because
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Speaker 3: they didn't want to pay enough, but paid a lot
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Speaker 3: of money for the white dude. Yeah anyway, but sorry
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Speaker 3: not to bring in too many downers. I don't have
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Speaker 3: a lot of downers. But all of that to say,
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Speaker 3: you know, what is the story? Well, how did a
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Speaker 3: demon and a demon hunter get together in the first
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Speaker 3: place to create this demon hunter mix? Roumy who has
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Speaker 3: a lot of feels and a lot of talent but
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Speaker 3: can't hear the voices?
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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I am so proud of you used
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Speaker 1: the enemy's silver tag so easily. I feel like it
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Speaker 1: would be something like that. I feel like it would
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Speaker 1: be a similar.
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Speaker 3: To be fair. That is a k drama tag as well.
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Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure. Oh, it's been around forever. It's a choice.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just in general. So, and then we
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Speaker 3: have the kind of the shaman's historically being women or
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Speaker 3: mudang who are being historically all mostly women, not all women,
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Speaker 3: mostly women are They're very feminine in a lot of
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Speaker 3: the representations, but also in Korean culture, you also know
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Speaker 3: they're also good and bad shamans as well. There's a
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Speaker 3: lot of depth to that. So who is what?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Am I right? Also wanted to point out the dirty
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Speaker 3: tiger and the magpie, which have deep cultural ties, especially
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Speaker 3: in Asian culture in itself. We know that the tiger
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Speaker 3: in itself has a huge connotation, but in this narrative,
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Speaker 3: the tiger representation is kind of that idea about corrupt
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Speaker 3: authority figures, and well that's why they're dirty and just
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Speaker 3: like in it for one thing, and very focused or
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Speaker 3: really dirty looking and knocking over pots constantly and having
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Speaker 3: a battle with bins apparently containers. And the magpie is
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Speaker 3: the distinguished right commoners. They're the common people who coming
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Speaker 3: in making the city. They're the ones that know the
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Speaker 3: right and wrong type of conversation. This is a part
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Speaker 3: of a lot of the Korean folk paintings that we'll see,
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Speaker 3: and they brought that in and they did it to
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Speaker 3: that level, like they made sure to make them distinct.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't just an animated as you said the word
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Speaker 3: disneyfied in our famous movie on the World type of look.
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Speaker 3: It was specific to keep in tradition with Korean folklore
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Speaker 3: and Asian folklore. And I really appreciated that. And people
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Speaker 3: love love those two things. They love the tiger more
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Speaker 3: than the bagpie. And I'm like, why do you keep
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Speaker 3: leaving out the magpie? That's important.
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Speaker 1: I'm more for the magpie.
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Speaker 3: I might I mean, as you should be, yes, you should.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't have too many eyes maybe it's all seeing anyway.
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Speaker 3: Of course, another part of the themes is friendship. You
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Speaker 3: absolutely see the beauty among the three girls who came
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Speaker 3: in and was formed together, but really protect and love
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Speaker 3: each other and are supposed to be understanding each other
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Speaker 3: like that is a part of the growth is knowing
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Speaker 3: that even as close as they were, they still have
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Speaker 3: all of their insecurities which eat away at them and
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Speaker 3: none of them want to admit it. And that was
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Speaker 3: part of because of the Saline's bad take, hide the
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Speaker 3: fears and fault yeah, slue no no, and they really
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Speaker 3: had to undo that to realize this wasn't as healthy
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Speaker 3: as they thought, and that meant that trusting each other
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Speaker 3: was a big part of their friendship and they had
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Speaker 3: to really go through it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and having that this does kind of remind me, Wow,
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Speaker 1: so many of these things are connecting to many recent
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Speaker 1: episodes because in the recent book club we did, we
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Speaker 1: talked about that of having the moment where you realize
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Speaker 1: that there are secrets in the group, or you weren't
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Speaker 1: as close as you thought, or maybe what was this
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Speaker 1: what I even realized what I thought it was and
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Speaker 1: having that moment and then coming back together stronger for
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Speaker 1: having that moment.
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Speaker 3: Right, admitting, like the song, the final song, we're talking
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Speaker 3: about everything is broken. Were liars, but that doesn't mean
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Speaker 3: we can't come back and build better. As well as
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Speaker 3: like Mira's line, I really just like I don't deserve family.
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, you do haunt me. Let
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Speaker 3: me picture yeah family. Then we have the like the
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Speaker 3: Genu Roomy, they never really kissed, but they do have
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Speaker 3: that Korean drama touching of the hands. We kind of love,
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Speaker 3: a good drama moment. But they are slowly coming together
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Speaker 3: and she talks about having to wanting to save him
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Speaker 3: as to that, and he's like, you did. Will we
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Speaker 3: see him back? I don't know. Will there be another one?
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Speaker 3: I can't imagine Sony's gonna let this one ride as
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Speaker 3: successful or Netflix as successful as it was. So but
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Speaker 3: who knows? Who knows? Ginu does not have any friends
19:56
Speaker 3: except for the Magpie, and the Tiger also becomes Roomy's friends.
20:02
Speaker 1: That's a little rough, you know, that's hurtful. I mean,
20:06
Speaker 1: you do want your friends to become friends, but there's
20:08
Speaker 1: also a part of you that's like, you're my friend,
20:10
Speaker 1: You're my only friend.
20:14
Speaker 3: Don't be that way another part again his family, and
20:18
Speaker 3: we talk about the Chosen family obviously just talking about it.
20:21
Speaker 3: But then we have Selene who takes on the motherly
20:24
Speaker 3: figure adopting Roomy because of the death of the mother,
20:27
Speaker 3: which we don't know how the childbirth, when she was born,
20:33
Speaker 3: she died, So what happened here? Was it the the
20:36
Speaker 3: demon part that like, oh, we don't know, we don't
20:39
Speaker 3: know that law yet. But Selene doing what she thinks
20:41
Speaker 3: she's supposed to and protecting being really Korean in trying
20:46
Speaker 3: to protect everybody's reputation and trying society doing her duty
20:51
Speaker 3: versus not being very maternal to uh Rumy. So there's
20:56
Speaker 3: a lot of questions about that. And then also you
20:58
Speaker 3: have to ask because I've seen a few articles pop
21:00
Speaker 3: up being like, see Selene was a real villain a
21:02
Speaker 3: damn okay. We jumped there real quick, okay, And then
21:09
Speaker 3: g knew his selfish decision to leave his family behind
21:12
Speaker 3: so he didn't have to starve to death and die
21:15
Speaker 3: with them. It was rough.
21:18
Speaker 1: That was a that was a rough revelation you got
21:21
Speaker 1: later in the movie, and I was like, oh, okay, oh.
21:25
Speaker 3: And which when the Waima says you've never done anything
21:28
Speaker 3: that wasn't for selfish reasons.
21:31
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because it's been presented earlier. It is like
21:35
Speaker 1: he was forcefully taken away. Yeah, and then you get
21:39
Speaker 1: the truth of it and it's like, oh, oh no, okay,
21:44
Speaker 1: he's like, oh.
21:45
Speaker 3: B no, it's pretty heartbreaking.
21:49
Speaker 4: Uh.
21:49
Speaker 3: And then we have in general K pop all throughout
21:53
Speaker 3: obviously celebrating that culture, celebrating the music. I think it's
21:57
Speaker 3: interesting in this portrayal because it really doesn't romanticize pop.
22:00
Speaker 3: And if you've heard our episodes previously, you know this
22:02
Speaker 3: is not the case. You know, there's a lot of damage.
22:04
Speaker 3: We know there's a lot of death by suicide, eating disorders,
22:06
Speaker 3: psychological disorders, money paid backs, surgery, all these things. There's
22:11
Speaker 3: a lot of things that happen, a lot of discourse,
22:14
Speaker 3: a lot of canceling, not not canceling. However, in this industry,
22:21
Speaker 3: and it's pretty fast, Like people go in and there's
22:24
Speaker 3: such an inundation of K pop groups that you don't
22:27
Speaker 3: see who is successful. Like people don't succeed when they
22:30
Speaker 3: think you should succeed. Like there are so many levels
22:33
Speaker 3: to that. A lot of them are put together, they
22:37
Speaker 3: are constructed and not organically brought together as in like
22:41
Speaker 3: they meet together and form a group. I mean they
22:43
Speaker 3: do say that in the beginning of the movie that
22:45
Speaker 3: they came they were put together for root me Like,
22:48
Speaker 3: they're like, you know, like this, but they just meshed well,
22:51
Speaker 3: which isn't always what happens. There's a conversation about what's
22:54
Speaker 3: happening in the black Pink like they say that none
22:57
Speaker 3: of them are getting along. Of them want to be
22:59
Speaker 3: a part of this capop industry anymore, but they're obligated
23:02
Speaker 3: to do so because they've been as successful as they are.
23:05
Speaker 3: They have their own individual careers and are seemingly more
23:09
Speaker 3: invested in that. So there's a lot in that that
23:11
Speaker 3: you see that you're like, like the whole mcbong at
23:16
Speaker 3: the beginning where they're all carbo loading, I'm like, that's
23:18
Speaker 3: not typical to the point that you hear stories about
23:21
Speaker 3: other people feeding them rice, like sneaking in rice because
23:24
Speaker 3: they hadn't eaten that day. I will say, though, and
23:27
Speaker 3: I've mentioned Mama and Move before. My partner has worked
23:29
Speaker 3: at production for shows in Atlanta. They came through. He
23:33
Speaker 3: worked the show and there was a large request for
23:37
Speaker 3: bull Duck Ramyan. Yeah, because they were like, these Korean
23:41
Speaker 3: artists were like, no, that's what we need. So they
23:42
Speaker 3: had to make a special trip to h Mark to
23:44
Speaker 3: bring out all of these spicy ramyans. So not too
23:47
Speaker 3: far off then, I guess, because they are a girl
23:49
Speaker 3: group that's pretty big in South Carlin in here, not
23:53
Speaker 3: as big as some others, but like it was fascinating, like, okay,
23:56
Speaker 3: they really do. As for the rum, I thought that
24:00
Speaker 3: was just a snack poppy food that became culturally popular
24:04
Speaker 3: in the US more so than No No. They apparently
24:06
Speaker 3: was like no, I need it, I miss it. There's
24:09
Speaker 3: that again. I think I don't want to stray too
24:14
Speaker 3: far from the pot, but it is good to know
24:16
Speaker 3: that it does romanticize this industry a little, to the
24:20
Speaker 3: point that it's like there are groups that do write
24:23
Speaker 3: their own songs, that create their own stuff, and they're amazing,
24:26
Speaker 3: and we want to give credit to that. That isn't
24:28
Speaker 3: cool as hell. But a lot of them, again, are manufactured,
24:33
Speaker 3: and a lot of them still a lot of music
24:36
Speaker 3: I think I've seen this specific movie has at least
24:41
Speaker 3: two of the bigger K pop songwriters that are Western,
24:46
Speaker 3: I want to say, from the US or Canada. And
24:48
Speaker 3: they've been based out of here for a long time
24:52
Speaker 3: and they don't get paid as much as you I
24:54
Speaker 3: would expect as big as some of these songs are.
24:58
Speaker 3: The person who sang for Roomy, EJ, is a big
25:02
Speaker 3: K pop industry singer and producer and writer. From what
25:06
Speaker 3: I understand, she is not in any group, but she
25:10
Speaker 3: is a part of SM Entertainment, which is one of
25:11
Speaker 3: the top four that we've talked about previously. And the
25:15
Speaker 3: others that sing on these songs are also either trainees,
25:20
Speaker 3: had been trainees, or writers and producers, so it seems
25:24
Speaker 3: so it is an interesting mix. People are getting good
25:26
Speaker 3: and EJ can hit those notes down like chilling notes. Anyway,
25:33
Speaker 3: moving on, so obviously, another big part of this movie,
25:36
Speaker 3: as Kong has actually said herself, is the culture of
25:39
Speaker 3: South Korea and in the heritage. The mix between southern
25:43
Speaker 3: South Korean history that we were talking about with all
25:46
Speaker 3: the weapons, with all the costumes, with all of the
25:49
Speaker 3: locations even really mixes well with the modern day Hollywood
25:53
Speaker 3: in what we see in dancing and the rapping some
25:57
Speaker 3: of the Brahmin once again, which was really funny to me,
26:02
Speaker 3: the costuming, the lights, the shows there are Idol shows
26:06
Speaker 3: that they happen every week, that whoever chart like tops
26:09
Speaker 3: the charts goes and performs and does it weekly, which
26:12
Speaker 3: I'm like, huh that used to be our MTV.
26:17
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well you know they still do that.
26:22
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, that's really interesting, but that does exist.
26:26
Speaker 3: I've seen the countdowns and different things that they do.
26:28
Speaker 3: It's really interesting to see and how they celebrate it
26:30
Speaker 3: and who does what. And then of course this whole
26:43
Speaker 3: cultural thing with uh, you and I talked about it.
26:47
Speaker 3: You had said that because I said that I think
26:48
Speaker 3: you're going to see a lot of these costumes at
26:50
Speaker 3: Dragon Con, which I'm very excited about and want to see,
26:54
Speaker 3: and you were talking about that people have already talked
26:56
Speaker 3: about being respectful and the costs. What were you telling
27:01
Speaker 3: me exactly?
27:03
Speaker 1: So I'm going to clarify. I heard this through a
27:06
Speaker 1: friend who's much more online than I am. She told
27:09
Speaker 1: me that there had already been an online conversation about
27:15
Speaker 1: I think it was specifically the boy band and their
27:19
Speaker 1: costuming and being respectful about it and being aware of
27:23
Speaker 1: like the history behind it and just not being offensive. Right,
27:27
Speaker 1: That's what she said. I'm pretty sure.
27:29
Speaker 3: From what I can gather like things like like no
27:32
Speaker 3: regae that is very specific culturally, but I don't like
27:38
Speaker 3: unless you take it and make it like a panties
27:41
Speaker 3: or like chastity bail some or so you know, like
27:43
Speaker 3: something really obscure, I don't see it being super offensive,
27:49
Speaker 3: like even humbucks. Like I know a lot of times
27:52
Speaker 3: when people go to South Korea, you can go to
27:54
Speaker 3: the stores and that's like period costumes like any of those,
27:58
Speaker 3: and visit the old historical places and all of these things,
28:02
Speaker 3: and it's actually encouraged. It is something that is beautiful.
28:05
Speaker 3: We love to see what we don't want to see,
28:08
Speaker 3: what any no one wants to see of any other culture.
28:10
Speaker 3: Is taking whatever it may be ceremonial or traditional, misconstruing
28:15
Speaker 3: it to be something you created with these ideals and
28:18
Speaker 3: then renaming things that is like even to the point
28:22
Speaker 3: that we see i want to say Filipino level of ube,
28:27
Speaker 3: which has been huge and trending, and then people taking
28:29
Speaker 3: it being like we needed to be like a sugary,
28:32
Speaker 3: I'm a white person who's going to do it this way,
28:33
Speaker 3: and you're like, what is happening or along the lines
28:37
Speaker 3: of like macha, which is obviously very very big, and
28:40
Speaker 3: then white people taking in marketing and be like I
28:42
Speaker 3: went to Japan one time and I loved it. So
28:45
Speaker 3: I'm creating my own and this is mine and I'm
28:48
Speaker 3: up charged. Like stuff like that is absolutely disrespectful loving
28:52
Speaker 3: a culture, especially when it's as seemingly ignored as South
28:57
Speaker 3: Korean culture and oftentimes the mean or sidelined for like
29:01
Speaker 3: China Chinese culture, which by the way, Chinese is a
29:04
Speaker 3: huge country, so having one ideal of even that culture
29:08
Speaker 3: is almost offensive and ignorant in itself. So like so
29:13
Speaker 3: many things said that. But with the Saja Boys, I
29:15
Speaker 3: know they are grim Reapers. I don't know if it's ceremonial,
29:23
Speaker 3: don't know if it's a funeral where that that might
29:27
Speaker 3: be the problem. Of course, if you're wearing something that
29:29
Speaker 3: is supposed to be for funerals, is that in your
29:31
Speaker 3: par partying in it? That that's disrespectful because like death
29:34
Speaker 3: rituals and like ancestry ristrals very very sacred, very very
29:39
Speaker 3: much so, so stuff like that, Yes, I think you
29:42
Speaker 3: need to understand what these are. Again, the Saja Boys
29:45
Speaker 3: are a play on grim Reapers, so look into that. Yeah,
29:49
Speaker 3: we would look into that. But I don't think in
29:50
Speaker 3: general like hmbucks and the hats are in general are
29:52
Speaker 3: not necessari or the gut are not necessarily disrespectful. If
29:56
Speaker 3: you're doing something where that, if you're painting obscene things
29:58
Speaker 3: on it, don't do that. Don't do that, don't to
30:00
Speaker 3: I would tell you not to pretend to be a
30:01
Speaker 3: shaman in any way. Koreans are real can be real
30:06
Speaker 3: superstitious on that, and I am too. Not why I'm
30:08
Speaker 3: a little so perstigious. I don't want to curse myself
30:12
Speaker 3: in general, I think things like that have to be
30:15
Speaker 3: looked at as well. Again, like, there's so much to this.
30:17
Speaker 3: And I say this as not an expert, as someone
30:19
Speaker 3: who has ignored this culture for so long, who's been
30:22
Speaker 3: afraid of this culture, who felt like if I even
30:23
Speaker 3: pretended I like or who we have even like interests,
30:27
Speaker 3: that I was pretending. There's so much to this And
30:31
Speaker 3: I want to note like watching this movie, getting ready
30:35
Speaker 3: to talk about this, talking about why I love it
30:37
Speaker 3: as much as I do, because this has become something
30:39
Speaker 3: that I've grown to love, Like I've watched this too
30:42
Speaker 3: many times, and I was really really hesitant in even
30:45
Speaker 3: starting to watch this because it felt kitchy. Also, there's
30:49
Speaker 3: still that childhood part of me that really wants to
30:52
Speaker 3: be white, because I was brought into white culture, was
30:55
Speaker 3: told white is the savior of all and that this
30:58
Speaker 3: is the fixer and the best thing to be is white,
31:01
Speaker 3: and even Korean culture kind of holds to that standard
31:03
Speaker 3: as well, and so so part of me feeling like
31:07
Speaker 3: seeing this celebrating a culture seemed foreign and almost the
31:16
Speaker 3: anti of who I was growing up, I guess. And
31:19
Speaker 3: so to find something like this culturally impacting, celebrating, loving,
31:26
Speaker 3: not any caricaturish characters like it is, but it is.
31:29
Speaker 3: It isn't making fun of a culture. It isn't making
31:32
Speaker 3: fun of an accent, It isn't making fun of a saying.
31:34
Speaker 3: It isn't making fun of a food. It is like
31:37
Speaker 3: all these things which I see way too often, that
31:39
Speaker 3: happens way too often, that has to be addressed way
31:43
Speaker 3: too often, and being told that I'm being too sensitive,
31:45
Speaker 3: And then if I can't joke like that, then what
31:47
Speaker 3: am I doing with? Like why am I being so sensitive?
31:49
Speaker 3: Being constantly being misconstrued as Chinese? And now for the
31:53
Speaker 3: first time, everybody's saying, are you Korean? Which is also
31:56
Speaker 3: a fear of mine that I'm like, no, but we
31:57
Speaker 3: don't want to make that a better thing either or
32:00
Speaker 3: more recognizable thing either. We need to understand is a
32:03
Speaker 3: vast It's a vast area, and that to be able
32:06
Speaker 3: to acknowledge all of all of the different areas and
32:08
Speaker 3: appreciate all of the different areas is something that needs
32:11
Speaker 3: to happen. But as someone who has ignored and run
32:14
Speaker 3: from it for so long, has feared it, has not
32:17
Speaker 3: felt good enough for it, has not understood it, has
32:20
Speaker 3: felt like acknowledging this culture meant I was disrespecting the
32:26
Speaker 3: people who brought like who took me in. I'm putting
32:29
Speaker 3: that in quotes. So many of that conversation pops too,
32:33
Speaker 3: And I'm wishing, like, had I had something like this
32:36
Speaker 3: that celebrated Korean culture like this, what I have been
32:41
Speaker 3: less ashamed or less likely to turn away from it,
32:46
Speaker 3: or been less hesitant in learning more about it, because
32:48
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm so far behind in learning something
32:52
Speaker 3: that it should be so important to me, like having
32:55
Speaker 3: a part of that is my identity feels so again
32:59
Speaker 3: too late. And I've kind of had that conversation about
33:01
Speaker 3: being too old for some of these things, Whether it's
33:03
Speaker 3: connecting with family, connecting with culture, connecting with ideas. There's
33:09
Speaker 3: a lot to this, and also having that guilt and
33:11
Speaker 3: knowing that some of Korean culture, a lot of k
33:14
Speaker 3: pop culture, perpetuates racist ideals and stereotypes within things that
33:19
Speaker 3: are being oppressed here in the US. There's like this
33:23
Speaker 3: bigger picture of this. I have the celebrations, I have
33:27
Speaker 3: the desire. I'm so excited to hear this music and
33:30
Speaker 3: song and hear Korean and see the hamdbox and see
33:34
Speaker 3: the folklore. But at the same time, I feel like
33:37
Speaker 3: I am overwhelmed with guilt and ignorance when in trying
33:44
Speaker 3: to love and like these things. There's so much to
33:47
Speaker 3: this in that level, but also the bigger part of
33:51
Speaker 3: me which begged for representation and so clung to things
33:55
Speaker 3: like Brandy, who I love and I'm so glad I
33:58
Speaker 3: loved her music because she was not white and she
34:03
Speaker 3: was she was cast into love. To have a romance
34:08
Speaker 3: with an Asian man like that was enough for me
34:11
Speaker 3: to love things like Mulan and have to dress up
34:14
Speaker 3: like that because I was the only Asian Ish representation
34:17
Speaker 3: that I saw as a good thing and as a
34:20
Speaker 3: strong thing instead of being a caricature like pretty and
34:23
Speaker 3: pink or breakfast at Tiffany's, which mock Asian people in
34:27
Speaker 3: general or fetishizes Asian people in general, And so seeing
34:32
Speaker 3: that and wishing that I had such a representation and
34:35
Speaker 3: what would that have made for me, embracing my you know,
34:40
Speaker 3: being so young, like being that person and being loving
34:43
Speaker 3: the food that I love that brings so much memories
34:46
Speaker 3: triggers as well. There was so much in this context
34:50
Speaker 3: that seeing them be the center of the story phenomenal. Again,
34:57
Speaker 3: when we talked about just as long as we're together,
35:00
Speaker 3: aspiration to see any lightness of me was so strong
35:04
Speaker 3: because I always felt like a side character, the sidekick,
35:08
Speaker 3: and not wanting to be first time centered in something
35:11
Speaker 3: is beautiful. And again back to the other Happy Hour
35:14
Speaker 3: episode when it was like, but it feels like it's
35:15
Speaker 3: too late, I'm too old for this point of being.
35:20
Speaker 3: But there's so so many things that pop through my
35:24
Speaker 3: head as I'm watching this, Like it actually has me
35:27
Speaker 3: tearing up when I watched this cartoon animation, because there
35:33
Speaker 3: is something that you can be proud of, like my
35:37
Speaker 3: skin tone, my eye shape, my speech even isn't foreign,
35:42
Speaker 3: isn't weird? Isn't unusual as where in you know, North
35:46
Speaker 3: Georgia Mountains, University of Georgia, unless you're a part of
35:50
Speaker 3: that click, and there's a click when it comes to
35:52
Speaker 3: the Asian community. You are the odd one. You are
35:55
Speaker 3: the one that's singled out when growing up being stared
35:58
Speaker 3: at in an all white town because I'm with this
36:00
Speaker 3: Asian person walking in and people like who is that?
36:02
Speaker 3: What is that? And then my mom trying to be
36:04
Speaker 3: cute and being like no, because you're so cute, and
36:06
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's not why. Let's talk about the elephant
36:09
Speaker 3: in the room here, like thank you and all, but
36:11
Speaker 3: that's a lie and I don't want we need to
36:15
Speaker 3: talk about this. So there's so many levels in this
36:21
Speaker 3: movie that hit me as an adult Korean woman that
36:26
Speaker 3: felt embraced but also conflicted. This this has made an impact.
36:34
Speaker 3: I will forever think about this as something, especially because
36:39
Speaker 3: it balanced Western Koreans with a South Korean's Eastern born
36:47
Speaker 3: Eastern Asian people who are like, wow, okay, this feels familiar,
36:52
Speaker 3: as opposed to watching k jamas, where it feels still
36:54
Speaker 3: foreign or a dream state, like things look familiar but
36:58
Speaker 3: as if I jumped them versus this being like, okay,
37:01
Speaker 3: it is today and now that I'm more familiar with
37:03
Speaker 3: with a mix of Western depiction, I guess is the
37:06
Speaker 3: best way to say it without being whitewashed, which is
37:10
Speaker 3: the other part to that. And with that, I think
37:14
Speaker 3: when we talk about these types of shows, I also
37:16
Speaker 3: have this fear that this could be a whitewashing of
37:19
Speaker 3: Asian characters when you have voices that supposed to be
37:22
Speaker 3: Asian and it's not Asian. That is the biggest disappointment
37:26
Speaker 3: m h that I can ever think of. I'm like,
37:28
Speaker 3: why would they do this when you had characters that's
37:30
Speaker 3: supposed to be Asian. They're like, we're gonna make it white.
37:32
Speaker 3: They look, they have a little bit of slant in
37:35
Speaker 3: their eyes. They think it possibly mixed scarlet let. Johansen
37:38
Speaker 3: is not Asian. I will fight you the day we die,
37:42
Speaker 3: you know, But that level like of that whitewashing. There's
37:46
Speaker 3: this conversation of the Newest Broadway musical and which was
37:50
Speaker 3: written for uh in Korean standard and has half white people,
37:55
Speaker 3: which is what it is, but then they're talking about
37:57
Speaker 3: it being cast fully white. Now and the argument which
38:00
Speaker 3: I've had argue to me about how well you know,
38:03
Speaker 3: Koreans take white shows and make it Korean. Why can't
38:06
Speaker 3: we do that here? But like, but Korean Americans exist,
38:10
Speaker 3: this is not there's no more like the differentiation is huge,
38:14
Speaker 3: and to be fair, I also think it's funny when
38:17
Speaker 3: I see k dramas like depicting white people as all
38:20
Speaker 3: Americans and you can tovily tell their accent is like
38:23
Speaker 3: Russian or German and you're like that they are absolutely
38:26
Speaker 3: not from the US, but good try. I like that
38:28
Speaker 3: there are moments like that when you have like an understanding,
38:31
Speaker 3: like you don't understand well it means to have representation
38:34
Speaker 3: because you've always had it and you never had to
38:36
Speaker 3: think about whether or not it wouldn't be it wouldn't
38:39
Speaker 3: be there. And then with that all by the way
38:43
Speaker 3: they did have I love that they mixed the casts
38:46
Speaker 3: so it was both Korean Americans, Korean Western Korean people
38:50
Speaker 3: who maybe in from Canada whatever whatnot to also having
38:53
Speaker 3: Korean actors South Korean actors. So we had ardent Cho
38:56
Speaker 3: who was she was done dirty on couple of c
39:00
Speaker 3: W shows and I'm glad to see her make it
39:03
Speaker 3: into this. We have Daniel da Kim who is an
39:06
Speaker 3: icon and heart throb and hello, how are you? My
39:07
Speaker 3: name is Smantha, come see me? Who got to be
39:10
Speaker 3: a small minor role. And then we have Kim Jong
39:13
Speaker 3: we all know who he is. He is a comedian
39:14
Speaker 3: who is the doctor who's he exists? Then we have
39:19
Speaker 3: the Korean stars lie Byong Huin, who is one of
39:22
Speaker 3: the ones I was talking about. He has a sketchy past,
39:25
Speaker 3: really sad because he is huge in both Squid Games
39:28
Speaker 3: and this, but they are very easily dismissive of sexual
39:32
Speaker 3: harassment allegations and charges. We have Anho soap, which I've
39:36
Speaker 3: talked about him before because he was one of my
39:39
Speaker 3: first like interactions with K drama. They're like, I like
39:42
Speaker 3: the oh, who is this guy who is Canadian? Actually
39:45
Speaker 3: he was born in Canada but has been in South
39:47
Speaker 3: Korea and has made a huge name for himself as
39:50
Speaker 3: a South Korean K drama actor. So he has a
39:53
Speaker 3: bit of an accent, which I think is kind of
39:55
Speaker 3: funny to me to see is Canadian, but because I guess,
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Speaker 3: I guess he's been in South Korea so long that
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Speaker 3: it sounds like it like English is a second language,
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Speaker 3: which I don't believe it is but he who plays
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Speaker 3: Genu is also was a training and then decided to
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Speaker 3: act in model. They didn't use his voice though for
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Speaker 3: most of the songs it was a different Andrew Troy
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Speaker 3: I believe is his name is the one who ends
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Speaker 3: up singing for him, and he was a writer in
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Speaker 3: Traineese well, but having him in there in one of
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Speaker 3: my FAVORITEK drama's business proposal. I've talked about this one
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Speaker 3: before and they actually have that little name like theme
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Speaker 3: song cop in this is an easter egg when he
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Speaker 3: walks in. When you introduce to Genu as human four
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Speaker 3: is like that, and I'm like, I love a good
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Speaker 3: throw it like little secrets that we know one of them.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, so I loved everything about that. Having actual
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Speaker 3: celebrities or stars or actors who are in that world,
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Speaker 3: who have been dismissed for so long to be able
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Speaker 3: to be a part of that success. I love every
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Speaker 3: bit of that. And representation that we've been begging for.
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Speaker 3: That I've been begging for that. People who want to
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Speaker 3: see more of their ethnicity, their community being represented. That's
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Speaker 3: what we're begging for, the more of that. Please. It
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Speaker 3: doesn't take much and it's a huge success. A huge success. Also,
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Speaker 3: we had a small moment with Selene singing, So the
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Speaker 3: actress who played that did not sing. It was Leah Salanga,
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Speaker 3: the Filipino icon and queen of Broadway that I've spoken
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Speaker 3: previously when we talked about BBS and Ley Miz and
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Speaker 3: again me clinging to any type of representation as a child,
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Speaker 3: she had a little minor row and I hope if
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Speaker 3: they do have a backstory, that we get to have
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Speaker 3: a longer edition of her musical talents because we need those,
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Speaker 3: we need that in our lives. Yeah, thank you for
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Speaker 3: going on this journey with me. There's so much to this.
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Speaker 3: I want to talk more about this. I want to
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Speaker 3: see more things like this. I hope that there is
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Speaker 3: a sequel that Kang is a part of, and if any,
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Speaker 3: because I feel like we've talked about how we think
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Speaker 3: that some of the studios may be listening to us
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Speaker 3: and taking our ideas or suggestions. If you are listening
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Speaker 3: and counting is not on there, we're going to be upset.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, we'll talk about it. Correct, that's right, you
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Speaker 1: watch out, big studio. Yes, I'm sure we'll come back
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Speaker 1: and talk about this more. I will definitely report after
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Speaker 1: Dragon Con. Yes, well, I see some pictures, I will
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Speaker 1: I'll try to do better. I'm not great at taking
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Speaker 1: pictures that i will do. If I see them, I'll
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Speaker 1: think of you and I'm be.
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Speaker 2: Like, Okay.
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