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Reframing Your Relationship With Alcohol During Divorce · Reflect Reclaim & Liberate - with Sallyanne Hartnell

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Reflect, Reclaim, and Clipperite, a podcast covering all things of relationships, separation, and divorce.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: How to create healthy, happy, fulfilling relationships without sacrificing any part of yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Supporting anyone feeling talent in their relationship or marriage, these are confidential conversations for you if you're navigating separation, divorce, or reorganizing life afterwards.
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  SPEAKER_01: Start with a study of late relationship or marriage, divorce with less drama, unconsciously for you.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: I acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which this podcast is recorded, the war and treat people of the Cullen nation, and pay my respects to their elders, past owners, and nation.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: I acknowledge them as the original storytellers of this land.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to this week's episode of the podcast, which is the second part of a two-part conversation with Katherine Elliott, the alcohol mindset coach.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: So if you've yet to listen to last week's episode, I invite you to go back and begin there.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Kath is one of Australia's leading specialist alcohol and binge drinking coaches for high-functioning professionals.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's also currently in a personal period of transition, having recently separated after 22 years of marriage.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in this conversation, she shares both professional and personal experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a rich, deep conversation that yes, went on for quite some time.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: So we split it across two episodes.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: And this is the second part of the conversation.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: Enjoy the second part of my conversation with Catherine Elliott.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: And you mentioned communicating with um your co-parent or the father of your kids, or you know, depending who's listening, the mother of the kids.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: How has it, either personally or with clients, how has shifting the relationship with alcohol changed the way perhaps you communicate with the father of your kids?
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think what a lot of people recognize is that if they've been drinking or if both people have been drinking, or one person has been drinking, that's actually a really good indication to step back and not have communication.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Just to let space be.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I know in my instance, you know, um my ex does, you know, he does drinking.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he doesn't have a major drinking problem or anything like that.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: But if I've ever thought that maybe he might have had a drink or two, I just I kind of think, well, it's better to actually have communication probably in the morning or you know, before evening, because then you you kind of know that someone hasn't had anything to drink.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think there's, you know, some of those considerations are really important because the person that's sometimes communicating after they've had a few drinks isn't really the person, the sober person, the person who's um really there, I think.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes they will then respond the next day and go, I'm really sorry, that I didn't mean that, or um that was really harsh, or whatever it is.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I think um it it's it's really important to consider that too when you're having interactions.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the thing is, you know, obviously we do a lot of interaction on mobile phone and text messaging these days.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Again, sometimes text messaging can get very difficult, and you the nuances of what people are saying or doing it can be hard, particularly if it's sort of emotional stuff.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: Fine if it's logistical stuff, but the emotional stuff is sometimes best to even, I think, leave to a phone call when you're both in a position to be ready to and have the time and space to have that conversation, right?
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, to listen as well as text.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: I always tell my clients do not answer a text after X point of time of an evening and definitely don't answer, I mean, unless it's an emergency about children, you know, something that really demands a response, and definitely don't respond after a couple of glasses of wine.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Just leave it, you know.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's not necessarily that somebody has a challenging relationship with alcohol, but if a text comes in from an ex-partner or a soon-to-be ex-partner at eight o'clock at night and you're two glasses down, you're not going to respond, as you said, as a sober, completely sober person would necessarily.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you take that pause, take that space.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love it.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: Kath, you coach really high-functioning professionals around binge drinking and their relationship with alcohol.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: How does that professional lens shape the way you're approaching your own separation?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I think the way that I have really approached my separation starts with how I look after myself, which is um, you know, a lot of the uh the focus for my clients is you're doing your you, right?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um comparing ourselves to other people often really doesn't leave us feeling good.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you need to work out for you in your life what feels right, what feels connected to your values.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um and a relationship with alcohol, all of my, you know, I have some clients who've worked with me who other people would be like, oh my god, they don't drink very much.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's not a problem, but for that person, it's causing a problem for them.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I think it's very important to remember that because often people want a statistic or a number of drinks or whatever it is.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: I say it's that's not really the issue.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: The issue here is how you feel, and if you feel your relationship with alcohol or your drinking is a problem, then it probably is, and it's the same in relationships.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's relationship is quite, and relationships are a unique set of circumstances, right?
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we can judge other people's relationships, but we're judging that according to our own experiences, and that's one thing that I think wisdom and and and experience over the years has really taught me, you know, I just focus on my relationship, and I know I've changed a lot over the years, and we go through many different phases in our life, and I'm just gonna be responsible for my choices.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna try and do it respectfully and with as much love as possible, but I'm also gonna own it as well, like the truth of what is there.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think there are far too many people uh who stay in relationships uh for the wrong reasons and are miserable.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: And longevity is not necessarily equated with happiness, really, is it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or healthy relationship.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we've been sold that a bit as a society.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, 60 years of marriage, that's amazing.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, 60 years, 50 years of that marriage may have been really unhappy for a you know, I think it's very much, and that's why I I still look at my marriage generally overall, you know, there was some really great times there.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I I look at it as as a success for a period in my life, and I'm also really proud that I have been able to make the choice to step away and choose something else for this next season and phase of my life.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um not to say that getting to that point is not a really difficult and challenging uh process.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um and for anyone listening, uh, you know, I know that we know this in our mind and heads for quite a long time before we make a decision.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: And for anyone who is in that, in that, you know, point in time, you know, just be with it and allow it.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um and you will get there.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: And you'll get there in your own time.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, you don't need to be pushed, but um there's also on the other side of it, there is this like this this freeing of of of owning what your actual truth is, really, in your gut.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's that's quite powerful when you actually jump over that threshold.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing that.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: I really want to honor that that share because vulnerable and really open.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um wow.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: Just pause for a second, sorry.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um Kath, I want you to put your coach hat back on for a minute.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I wonder if you can share with us some key practices, key steps that you recommend for anyone who's facing separation and divorce and they want to avoid falling into that unhealthy reliance on or use of alcohol.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: What are you what are your tips and so no, I think you know, depending on what your existing relationship with alcohol is, really come back to self-care and to thinking about how can I look after myself best through this process, and what role is alcohol going to play in that process?
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: And is alcohol actually going to uh help me navigate through the process, uh, or is it actually going to really, I guess, negatively affect um emotionally how I cope?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I think you know, it's not about being too hard on yourself either.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's about look, I I'm not saying, you know, quit drinking, but what I would say is maybe it's an opportunity to maybe try and drink a bit less or drink more mindfully, have some more alcohol-free days.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, if you feel like you are drinking more than you want to, uh, you know, reach out and have a chat to someone for some support.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, because I think it can be a lonely process, and sometimes we drink to avoid some of these emotions of feeling alone or lonely.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and so, you know, how do you how do you address some of those feelings without alcohol?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know there are often, you know, women, men at home who are alone and they've had a relationship breakup, they've got kids at home, and they don't know who to turn to.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: So alcohol becomes their go-to.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so one of the things is really about building connection, connection with other people, but also their connection with yourself, and so that's a lot of the work that I I do with clients is really on developing more of that connection with self.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what else can I do to support myself other than drinking?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Is it is it, you know, going for a walk?
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: Is it having a phone call with a couple of friends?
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Is it starting something new, a new activity that might just help me feel more connected?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there are there are lots of you know different things, but I think the main thing is not to be too hard on yourself, really.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and about looking at alcohol again, it's a depressant.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: So if you are going to drink more of it, you're not gonna feel great the next day.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's also about playing that tape forward and thinking, okay, if I drink tonight, how am I going to be feeling tomorrow?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: How am I going to show up for my kids?
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: How am I going to show up for work?
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: All of those things, um, my decision making.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I think very much it is about focusing on you and your self-care and looking at the role that alcohol plays and being more mindful.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: If the themes in this episode are resonating with you, if it's bringing up things that you would like to explore on a deeper level with me, you can book a free intro call via the link in the show notes and we can discuss coaching options.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to support you.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: And now back to this week's episode.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: What I always do with every single client is start at the end.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: How do you want life to look and feel?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: What's important to you?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: What are your values?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: How do you want your life to look and feel at the end of your divorce?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, but let's go further into the future than that, you know, five, ten, even twenty years' time.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: So if we use that too, is the decision to drink tonight, this week, is it actually in service, inverse service to that vision that I have for my life?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Is it helping me to get there quicker or is it holding me where I am right now?
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um so we can use that as well, build that.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a great lens through which to look at it.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I think this is the thing.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: If we keep doing what we've always been doing, nothing changes.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes when we're going through you know, separation and relationship breakup, you know, it does feel like everything's falling apart sometimes.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: But in that falling apart, there's this opportunity to reassess, to rebuild, to change, right?
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, repick what we want to take forward, you get to get yeah, seeing it as an opportunity.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, sometimes we have to fall and be in the tears and the mess of it all, like that's that's actually part of it, right?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: But then it's like, okay, what do I, what am I going to choose to take into this next part of or version of my life?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: And look, for some people, it will be drinking and alcohol, and it can often be, you know, people are starting to navigate going into new relationships and dating and all of this sort of thing, and the role that alcohol plays in that again is really huge.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and I have also supported people to go into new relationships after long relationships, sober, right?
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: And alcohol-free.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: Now that's that's huge when uh you've never done that before because you actually have to show up, you know, vulnerably, uh, particularly if you're having you know, first sort of intimate sexual experiences after having been with someone for a long period of time, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh my gosh, there's no alcohol here.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but most people that I've guided through that process remarkably say that the best thing about dating or going into relationship after without alcohol is you form meaningful connections and you know you you you know and rely on you that the the chemistry, it's there, like you can feel it.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Alcohol can distort a bit of that once we've been drinking, and that they have found that even though um initially it's quite awkward, that they do form connections with people quite quickly because you're you're there authentically who you are, and you tend to go into conversations and remember them that are deeper, yeah.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I love it.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love that we've gone down that pathway.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for taking us there.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think too, and I find this with my clients when they go back out into the world after, if there's alcohol involved, it's easier to just fall back into that same pattern of being.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so then therefore, you attract the same pattern of person.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't I don't think we have a type, I think we have a pattern.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're just still doing, as you said, still doing the same thing, you're gonna get the same result.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: So switch something up, change something out, and being really present and mindful, and I guess in your body when you're stepping into connecting with another human is such a powerful way to connect.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, definitely.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, interestingly, I had this thought the other the other night of I will be fascinated at whatever point in time when I am ready to go into that type of you know phase of dating or finding a new relationship.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is this you know, alcohol-free version of me going to attract in?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because previously, as the drinker, I never ever would have even looked at someone who didn't drink much or didn't drink at all.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like for me, a big tick the box would be someone who likes to go out and do lots of drinking.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas now that is actually a turn off for me, right?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: So it's really interesting.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden, you open up a like you open up to a group of people that you probably never would have even looked at before.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of exciting as well.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you'll have to come back on the podcast when you're ready, or you're out there dating and you can share your experience again.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's if they're good ones.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, bad ones are quite funny though.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: I've had so many friends share some interesting.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Last question, and it's a question I ask all my podcast guests.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: I would love it if you could share a song or a piece of music, maybe that you love or that you're listening to, or that you think might support anyone at this kind of crash point of life, separation, divorce, moving through it, alcohol-free.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I thought about I I did because I saw this question.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the fur so the first song that really came to my to my mind was um George Michael Freedom.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't mean that as in freedom from a terrible relationship, but for me, it's such a joyous song, and there is a part of me that is feeling free um to express myself, to be who I am now.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and my alcohol-free lifestyle is something that I am, yeah, so passionate about and proud of because it has given me freedom.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because a lot of people think choosing not to drink is actually depriving yourself when I really like to pose the other alternative, which is actually it's free choice, and for me, it is free choice.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: I could drink alcohol, but I have no desire, and it is opened up so much potential in my life.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: So that song I I love because it's just got so much joy and energy, and like I'm I'm a I'm a kid of the 80s, so you know, George Michael was like that faith album was like one of my first albums, you know, it was such a cool album, and then there's another beautiful piece of music that I love that I find really emotionally evocative, which is um called To Build a Home by the Cinematic Orchestra.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's just it moves me, and uh I just yeah, I find it such a beautiful piece.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: So those are the two two two um pieces of music that came to mind.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Both of them.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't know to build a home, but I will go down the rabbit hole and it will get added to the reflect coaching playlist.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Kath, thank you so, so much.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I've loved our conversation and I'm sure that listeners will have a lot.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they'll get a lot out of it.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: I will share all your social media links and contact details in the show notes, but thanks so much.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Love the conversation, um, and all the very best as you move through the personal parts of the next few months.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, thank you for sharing so openly and vulnerably.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, really appreciate it, Sally Ann.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful to meet you and um Yeah, just uh it's always a privilege to be able to share my experience with others.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: And um yeah, I mean that's part of yeah, this incredible human experience, isn't it?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: We get to share and learn from each other.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the thing is we all feel so much of the same stuff, and we just need to talk about it more.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: And this is you know, the privilege of going through divorce and separation.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think you do really have to get into some of that nitty gritty stuff, right?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: And um, it makes you I think you connect more with other people when you go through this experience, particularly those who've been through it.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I was saying to someone the other day that I've been through through cancer and then also through this experience in the last few years.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I honestly, you know, can hand on heart say that the experience of going through separation and I'm not divorced yet, but it's harder.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's harder in many ways.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, I think I'm I'm trying to work out uh I'm gonna write something on it, but I I think most people would expect it to be the other way around.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I I just think it touches every aspect of your life when you're going through um something like a huge relationship breakup.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: And particularly people, if you've made the choice to do it, they think that you're okay.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um when actually, no, sometimes it's it's it you're still going through things as well, a lot of stuff, right?
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, it it's you know, it it's one of those things that I look look at now and I think, oh, I never expected that I would be separated.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I never expected that I'd have cancer.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and this is the thing about life, you know, we have expectations sometimes, and that's you know, it it's shaped me to be the person that that I am, and so I now see these life experiences as um, yeah, I think it's softened me as a person, it's opened me up as a person.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, I as as much as you know, I'm not sometimes grateful for these experiences, um, there's so much to be taken from them.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so thank you for having me.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate your time and the work that you do to support people who are going through this this really challenging, life-changing process.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: But I think you know, often you can come through this process thriving and you can transform yourself through this process.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: I really believe, in fact, I know to be true from my own personal experience, but also from um coaching so many through it, that there is freedom.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: There is a freedom.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm really glad you chose the George Michael song.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it does separation divorce does, I'm gonna get emotional, it does actually crack us wide open, but we do actually get to choose what we take, what we take forward into the next chapter.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you so much.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: So true, and yeah, it it is, it's emotional.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I had that when I had that shift of that, of actually accessing that freedom.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: I felt it, you know, it it did, I I felt the tears running down my face.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, wow, you do really crack yourself open.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: But then, you know, here you are, you've got to ride the wave of it.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, the next week you feel like shit again, right?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: But it it's sort of up and down, up and down, and it's a roller coaster, right?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you will come through.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: I promise you, you will come through it.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm already coming through.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: I feel it, I feel it.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much, Kath.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's been amazing.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Sally Ann.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: So great.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: I really hope you enjoyed this conversation with Kath Elliott as much as I did, and that you've taken a little something away from the conversation to support you on your own separation divorce journey.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: There'll be links in the show notes to how you can connect with Katherine on her social media accounts.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: As always, thank you for being here.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: Please share this episode with someone that you know who might be supported to hear it.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: And until next time, bye for now.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Sally Ann Hartnell, divorce coach and strategist, and you've been listening to Reflect, Reclaim and Liberate.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: You can follow me on Instagram at Reflect Coaching.
• 26:31
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