Latest / Crime Stories with Nancy Grace / Woman With 'FOOTBALL-SIZED TUMOR' Scams Internet til Well-Wishers Spot Fake Tubes!

Transcript

Woman With 'FOOTBALL-SIZED TUMOR' Scams Internet til Well-Wishers Spot Fake Tubes! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Pancreatic cancer two words nobody
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: wants to hear, especially a nineteen year old girl. So
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: how does this story end up on Crime Stories? Just listen.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to our
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: cut one. I want people to live. I want to live,
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I want I want here. That's Mattie Russo,
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: a nineteen year old college student speaking about suffering from cancer.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: Beyound a mess on New Pancreas and I had seized
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: two pancreatic cancer an eighteen years old. She documented her
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: treatment in a series of heartbreaking social media posts and
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: basically it's you're hearing this young girl Madison Marie Russo
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: speaking to our friends at Inside Edition with me an
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: all star panel. But first I want to go to
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: a special guest joining us is Stephanie Condon Auldry, founder
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: and director of Craig's Cause Pancreatic Cancer Society, and you
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: can find that at Craig's Cause dot c A. Stephanie,
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, Thank you for having me.
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: Nancy Stephanie. To so many people, the two words pancreatic
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: cancer is a death sentence. Now I'm just a j D,
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: not an MD. But from what I understand, the pancreas
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like other organs may feel. When your heart
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: is in trouble, you feel it. I've seen my father
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: in pain with a heart attack. With other organs, you
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: feel it. But a lay person's understanding of this, Your
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: pancreas doesn't feel the way other organs do. So it's
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: only when cancer of the pancreas metastasizes or goes to
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: other organs that you finally feel it. Is that right? Yeah? Absolutely,
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: it's a It's often been referred to as a hidden organ,
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: and you know it's it's hard for any general practitioner
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: as specialist to feel it pancreas. And quite often when
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: the symptoms first present to patients either they're a misdiagnosis.
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: For instance, my father, they thought he had hepatitis because
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: he was presenting as jaundice and he had an upset stomach,
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: and he went through several misdiagnoses before actually being diagnosed.
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: So often the pancreas symptoms will present as other illnesses.
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: Before it starts to advance. So well over fifty percent
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: of the patients you know, have a prognosis of three
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: to four months after a diagnosis if it is if
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: it has metastasized, and then you know, you certainly feel
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: back pain, and like I said, you'll notice jaundice, white stool,
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: dark urine um, fatigue, unexplained weight loss. You might experience
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: nuancet diabetes. So there's a lot of different symptoms that
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: can present with pancretic cancer, but they're often misdiagnosed in
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: the earlier shall we say, stages when they first present,
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: until the patient knows for sure there's something serious wrong.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: I'm really sorry about your dad. Thank guys, you're hearing
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: the voice of Stephanie Condon Aldrive, the FANO and director
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: of Craig's Cause Pancreatic Cancer Society, And it's especially rare
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: and a young girl just nineteen years old. Now that
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't her only ailment. To top it all off, take
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: a listen to our cut thirty. This is Maddie on
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: TikTok as Maddie Russel, and this is my story. So
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: when my older brother Tyler turned eighteen years old, he
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: was diagnosed with type wine diabetes, which is a chronic
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: autoimmune disease where the pancreas no longer produces insulin on
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: its own. But this being said, I was also tested
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: to see if I would develop typeline diabetes and see
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: if I was positive for any of the anibodies. So
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: when the test came back, I ended up being positive
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: for all five other five antibodies, and in February twenty twenty,
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: I was also diagnosed with Type one A seventeen years
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: old and it's because of the diabetes tests that she
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: discovers the pancreatic cancer. Take a listen to her one
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: more time, asked word to February of twenty twenty two,
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: I had nearly lab work done just with my primary
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: care provider as a standard checkup and assigned from starting
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: to fuel just a little bit off. My lab work
• 5:13
  Speaker 1: came back and my white blood cell counts were not
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: in normal range. So FOREAR testing was then done and
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: on February tenth of twenty twenty two, quite possibly the
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: worst day of my life occurred. I got a call
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: from my oncologists and the found a mass on my
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: pancreas and I had stage two pancreatic cancer at just
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: nineteen years old. She describes her fear as a young
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: girl with pancreatic cancer in our cut thirty two Scared
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: in the understatement, I was terrified and I definitely still am.
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: But I'm really glad I went to my yearly health
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: check because it would have been so easy to just
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: skip it and say I'm fine. So please take my
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: experience and get regular lab work done, because the sooner
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: you catch anything that is wrong, the better chance of
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: outcome and survival you would have. And it really could
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: save your life like it did mine. So after finding out,
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: I started treatment right away, consisting of oral chemo and radiation.
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: So far I have completed eight rounds of chemo and
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: over fifty rounds of radiation. You know, Stephanie Condon Old
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: Dreave joining us from Craig's Cause Paincreatic Cancer Society. I'm
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: sure you've talked to so many survivors people and people
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: that are battling paincreatic cancer, and you know that moment
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: when you realize that you could be facing death is
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: something that no one ever forgets. I remember, and I
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: had a shotgun pulled on me when I was a
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: prosecutor and I was knocking on a door to deliver
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: a subpoena. I remember when I learned I had a melanoma,
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: a very aggressive cancer on my leg, so many years ago.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: It's been treated that moment when you find out that
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: something could threaten you and your family forever. Stephanie, I
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: know you've heard that a hundred times from people you
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: work with. Yeah, absolutely, it's you know, it's a it's
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: a devastating diagnosis. It's a scary diagnosis, and quite often
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: for the majority of patients, they really don't have time
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: to digest everything they're being told before they find themselves
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: either going in for what's called the Whipple procedure, which
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: is a life altering surgery. They call it the atomic
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: Bomb of surgeries, or you know, they're they're facing a
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: terminal diagnosis. So not only are they faced with a
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: cancer diagnosis, they're faced with a cancer diagnosed that has
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: really scary statistics with it. And quite often, you know,
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: we've talked about it, almost or not almost a being
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: having a PTSD effect on many of our patients and
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: caregivers because it's just a moment in time that they
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: know their life is going to change drastically. We're talking
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: about a young girl, a teen girl, Mattie Russa, who
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: discovers that she has pancreatic cancer. Take a listen to
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: Dave Mac at Crime Online. Madison Russo was sitting in
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: an accounting class at Saint Ambrose University when she received
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: bad news from an oncologist. The nineteen year old has
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer leukemia and has a football
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: sized tumor on her spine. Russo has an eleven percent
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: survival rate for five years after undergoing fifteen rounds of
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: chemotherapy and ninety rounds of radiation. She shares her story
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: on TikTok to raise awareness. This offers Russo comfort and hope,
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: and it's the message that leads to more media coverage
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: for Russo. She does interviews with her local press, which
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: is picked up by large outlets. This leads to Russo
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: discussing her cancer journey as a guest speaker at Saint
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: Ambrose University, where she is a student. Despite her illnesses,
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: Russo continues attending class with a four point GPA and
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: works part time job at John Deere. In her free time,
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: Russo enjoys playing golf. Not only did she continue her
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: schooling and get a four O GPA, she takes to
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: go fund me to spread awareness about pancreatic cancer and
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: to raise money for her treatment. Take a listen to
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: our friends at Inside Edition. She raised over thirty seven
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars on a go fund me page. Louis Frellman
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: was so moved by her plight he donated a thousand dollars.
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: What struck a chord with you about her story? She
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: was a a very young person that appeared to be
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: in a serious amount of trouble. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: let's dig a little deeper. Take a listen to our
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: friends at GMA. This week is not a week, It's
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: just a radiation week. Authorities alleged Russo spent the past
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: year claiming she'd been diagnosed with leukemia, stage two, pancreatic
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: cancer and a tumor the size of a football that
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: wrapped around her spine, posting dozens of photos and videos
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: like this she's since taken down, now reposted on TikTok
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: by another user. So it's my week all chemo. Also
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: just when doing radiation? So why did she take down
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: all the information about pancreat cancer and her battle against
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: one of the deadliest cancer is known to man. What
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: listen to this? In one interview, Madison Russo claimed doctors
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: told her she had an eleven percent chance of survival,
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: and people charity's cancer organizations they all donated to help
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: her fight cancer. Problem is, according to authority, she doesn't
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: have cancer. She never did and that's not just a lie,
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: it's a felony. I am too sick from treatment where
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: I can't go anywhere, I can't do anything. This morning
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: in Iowa, TikTok are accused of faking a cancer diagnosis,
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: charge was stealing from people who donated to help her
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: battle the disease. Authorities say she doesn't have. Investigators say
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: Madison Russo took more than thirty seven thousand dollars from
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: Maddie's fight against pancreatic cancer, a gofund me set up
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: on her behalf that's now been taken down. I'm so
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: mad I could shoot a nail in half right now.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: Kilo Brantley joining me. Investigative reporter Dailymail dot Com Kala
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: what This is a crazy story, but unfortunately not the
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: first time we have seen people deceive the public to
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: get some money and especially use go fund me to
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: raise funds for something that isn't even real. And the
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: way that Madison was caught was by her own hand
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: by posting on TikTok, by posting photos and videos of
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: her medical tubes. And what's so amazing is that it
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: was the public who caught on and said something doesn't
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: look right there and started commenting and eventually reporting until
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: she was caught. Yes, the tubes are in the wrong position,
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: and some of the photos she posted joining me. Doctor
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the entire state of Florida
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: at pathcaremad dot com, lecturer at the University of Florida
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: Medical School, host of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference,
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: and treated cancer patients as a surgeon. Doctor Gallagher, thank
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: you so much for being with us. I was thrown
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: over to start with when I heard she had ninety
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: rounds of radiation. Is that normal? That's absolutely abnormal. You know,
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: radiation basically what it does to your body is it
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: microwaves the tissue, so it actually burns the tissue. So
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: if she had rounds of radiation, a lot of her
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: tissue would be burnt the disease tissue as well as
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: a surrounding a live tissue that she still needs, and
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: she would suffer the after effects of burning a lot
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: of her a viable tissue, her live tissue as well.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: So no, she does not look like anybody who had
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: undergone ninety rounds or radiation. And I would really question
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: a department that would schedule somebody for ninety rounds of chemotherapy.
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry of a radiation typically ten, twelve, maybe fifteen,
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: but nowhere near ninety. As a matter of fact, my
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: dear friend is undergoing radiation for breastcaster right now, and
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be over, you know, once a week
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: for I don't know, maybe ten weeks or sixteen weeks.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: And when I heard her say she had ninety rounds
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: of radiation, but just as a JD and not being
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: an m D, I wasn't sure that I was right.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: But I bet you were spinning in your seat, doctor
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Gallagher when you heard that. Not only as she had
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: fifteen rounds of chemo ninety rounds of radiation, she still
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: was attending class every day, had a four O g PA,
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: a job at John Dear and enjoyed golf in her
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: free time. You know, when we when we had these
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: patients come to the hospital, they are jaundice. I mean
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: they're the whites of their eyes are yellow, I mean
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: bright yellow, like nuclear yellow. There sheets sometimes are even yellow,
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: you know. And in a lot of these photographs, her
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: eyes are wide open and they look perfectly white. To me,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: she does not look sick. You know, we had a
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: staying at the hospital sick people look sick. When I
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: waited a minute, look, I said, I'm not an MD,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: but listen, I did not bring you on crime stories
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: to have you spout out something my grandmother could have
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: told me. Sick people look sick. It sounds simple, but
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: it's true. I'm just giving you a hard time. You're right.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: And you know what else, doctor Gallagher, I know you
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: heard our special guests Stephanie cond An oulderif talking about
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: how pancretit cancer patients are often treated for other ailments
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: because they look jaundiced or yellow looking. That's exactly what
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: you're saying. In these photos that you looked at for us,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: she looks perfectly healthy. Now, how would her eye what
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: would she would what would she have looked like if
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: she had stage two pancreatic cancer, well, she would do,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: meaning her skin would be yellow, and her skin would
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: be so yellow that the white part of her eyes
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: would also be a very bright, vivid, vivid yellow, you know.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm looking at these photographs here, and they're not
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: people who are jaundiced. They do not have suntan lines
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: because their entire skin is now yellow. And I'm looking
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: at some of the photographs. They can see around her clothing,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: she has suntan line. So that's how we in the
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: clinic would determine if somebody was having pancreatic disease or
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: liver disease that was leading to jaundice. We would look
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: to see if they had a suntan line. We would
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: look in their eyes to see if they were yellow,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: and then we would start the blood tests from there. Now,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: why can't you get a suntan line, Because the yellow
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: pigment that is produced by the disease gets absorbed by
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: the skin evenly throughout the skin, so your skin is
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: the exact same color from the top of your head
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: to the bottom of your toes, meaning that any whitish
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: area that you would have would also be darkened by
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the yellow pigment. From the disease. Guys, you've got to
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: hear our cut four. This is Regid Terry a kW
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: QC six. Listen. This search warrant is revealing some new
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: details about what led to her arrest and what was
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: taken from her apartment. This warren says medical professionals came
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: forward to report the inaccuracies of Russo's medical equipment placement
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: on her body in the pictures that she shared on
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: social media. The warrant also states that the pictures appear
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that she took them from inside her apartment and not
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a medical office. Court documents say those medical professionals who
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: came forward are prepared to testify. Yeah, I'm looking at
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: one photo. Let me get straight out to you, Kili
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Brantley joining me from dailymail dot com. I'm looking at
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: a photo on your article from dailymail dot com, and
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: it shows Madison Marie Russo. She looks like she's got
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: a glamour pick going on. She's beautiful, white, smile, bright
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: white eyes, healthy tan. Her hair is parted over, like
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: kind of slung over. The only thing that makes you think, well,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: maybe it's not a glamour shot. You know those shots
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: that you can go to the mall and get and
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: you know, very very glamorous. Well, is that she has
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a medical bag and she's got her shirt undone a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: good bit not judging, don't care, but that reveals all
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: of these tubes taped and it looks like with scotch
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: tape to her chest. She has a chief from the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: ear to the nose now and she's holding the tube
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: with perfectly manicured hands. That's in your article, Kella, And
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: so that's what I keep looking back at. It's the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Daily Mail article. Jackie is wildly waving a note to
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: me that doctor Gallaghers says, if you look at this
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Daily Mail photo, let's see where you guys got the photo.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: TikTok yep, straight from her own TikTok Doctor Gallagher, you
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: says something along the lines of, if Jackie is to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: be believed that any first year med stud it could
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: tell you that placement is wrong. Tell me, doctor Gallagher
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: in depth, what you're talking about. Well, absolutely, if you
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: look at if you're looking at the same photographs, she's
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: got a tube that's going in her nose to an
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: ivy bag, and she's got one tape to the front
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: of her chest. The one that's going to her nose.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: The ivy bag is absolutely lower than the tube that
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: goes into her nose. So how is that going to
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: be gravity fed, you know, into her nose. If it's
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: a bag that collects fluid out of her body through
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: her nose, then there's no fluid coming out of that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: two going into the bag. Called doctor Gallagher right there.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I'm coming back to you because you're brilliant, as I
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: have said a million times, and I'm dying to go
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to your International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation conference. By the way,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: that sounds like heaven to me. International Forensic met Usine
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Death Investigation. But Kirby Clements, my longtime friend and colleague,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: prosecuted with me in the inner city Fulton County District
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Attorney's office. Still a lawyer, You've managed to hang on
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to your law license. That's pretty good, Kirby and author.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: What how to keep your a money signed money sign
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: out of jail? I to wash your mouth out with soap,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: young man, and he is at Clements Lawgroup dot com.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Kirby Clements, did you just hear Gallagher? Did you hear him?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Or were you too busy counting your money. I heard
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: him go to the Daily Mail article. Please please get
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: to this article. He look at this picture. Hey Kirby,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: you heard Gallagher. That's why I don't know if you
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: remember this. I would always try to start any homicide
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: prosecution off with the medical examine on once side, laid
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a foundation, you know, outside of the jurispresence, because the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: way they tell it, I mean, case closed right there.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I don't even need to hear the rest of what
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: he say when he told me about the bag being
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: in the wrong place at all, change together from me.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: That's why I want to Chase Chase. It's all for
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the medical examiner. Oh absolutely, I mean the medical examiner
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: just makes it all makes sense. I mean as I
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: did the same thing when I was a grosecutor. It's like, hey,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: just come in here and tell us what you need,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: because you're gonna rule out most of the defenses, arguments
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and these photos. Even from my perspective, I'm looking like,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: all right, you don't. First of all, you don't look sick,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: because I've seen people with cancer, and you are the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: healthiest looking to cancer patient I've ever seen. With this
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: sheer number of cancers that you claim to have the
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: placement all these devices. Again, I'm no doctor, but I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: was like, that doesn't look right to me. Now, were
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you saying something about your wife? Oh no, I'm saying
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: my wife was the nurse. And then she went on
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to I've become a prodietress. So I remember, you know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: her classes and you know, going to you know, I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: go to have lunch with her, and you know, we
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: talk about the work that she did, and she would
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: always kind of opine on various things. So I know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and my mom used to help issue. So I know
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: for a fact when I'm looking at that bag, I'm like,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: what is this bag doing? I hope I've just been
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I'm just married to a doctor, and I still know
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: enough to know that's wrong. I'm telling you. I agree
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: with you, Okay, doctor Gallagher. I just had to go
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to Kirby on that because he seems, you know, amiable
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and friendly. Right now, you put him in a courtroom,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: he turns into a wild animal and wins all his cases,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: which I don't want it because you're a defense attorney. Now, So,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, another thing. Jackie's now waving another What did
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you just say about the bandage in the port? She
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: wants me to ask you about in the same picture
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a port. It looks as if there is a port
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: in her chest, and what does the bandage have to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: do with that? What does that reveal to you? Right? So,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: sometimes if people have cancer, they'll have a port which
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: is a it's a it's a plastic device that goes
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: under the skin that you can stick needless to null
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: spare your arms and you and your legs, you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: from getting ivs in it. So this port is over
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: it's almost essential part of her chest, which is where
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of phones would be. And anybody who would
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: put this port in this place on this somebody so young,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: should have their medical license taken away from them. The
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: lung is over there. You can puncture the lung, you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: can puncture the heart, you can puncture a lot of
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the major blood vessels trying to access that port if
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: it was in this location. So there are ports to
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: be put on the chest, but this location is not
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: where you want it. It's too risky. Let me go
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to Stephanie Condon Aldreve joining US founder director Craigs caused
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Pancreatic Cancer Society, who lived through pancreatic cancer with her father.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: He was a victim. How I don't know, does it
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: make you mad or does it make you sick what
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: this girl did stealing people's money fortuity she had pancreatic cancer.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I guess there's a range of feelings. You know, you
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: certainly feel sad, you know about where you know, some
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: people in our society or are headed, or what they're
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: doing to very you know, the people that donated to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: her cause donated to her cause because they wanted to help,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: They wanted to make a difference in her life. They
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: wanted to give her hope. And you know, so she
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: took advantage of all of those donors, all of those
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: supporters that wanted to make a difference in her life.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: But she also just took advantage, you know, she she
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: spread incorrect information about pancretic cancer. And for all those donors,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I imagine, you know, they'd be quite jaded and and
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: not trust maybe to to donate to a you know,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: an accredited cause or you know, and to continue to
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: make those differences, you know, and that in turn can
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: impact you know, many organizations programs because they're dependent on
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: donor trust and donors wanting to make a difference. So
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I feel sad that you know that there's people out
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: there that do that. I feel, you know, disappointed, you
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: know that there's so many donors that were taken advantage of.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: You know, you certainly feel angry from a personal perspective
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: because I know my dad lasted eight weeks with pancredit cancer,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and you know, you never forget that, you know, so
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: for someone to pretend that they had such a deadly
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: disease and to take to take those feelings and emulate
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: them in such a false way is really taking away
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: from somebody else's experiences, basically making money off other people's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: misery and heartache with me also forensic psychology doctor Sherry
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Schwartz and Special Deputy Sheriff Greg Smith. Greg, take a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: listen to our cut thirty three. You haven't heard it
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: all yet. Listen to her talking my freemal skin. I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: was in foreign vapid here on my pancreas was shrinking
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and it was responding to treatment. However, it's also spread
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to my blood and is acute them phoblastic leukemia. There
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: is a mental health crisis in America right now, and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I want to touch on the impact of that cancer
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and chronic disease patients can go through. When your life
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: changes in an instant and many days are spent vomiting
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: and pain and being restricted with what you can do,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: your mind also becomes sick. Her mind was sick, all right,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: because she was ripping off people with a fake pancreatic
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: cancer diagnosis and capitalizing on people that are suffering along
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: with their families, watching them with this disease that moves
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: so swiftly through your body. But that's not all Greg,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: listen to cut thirty four. Yeah, I get a lot
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: of questions on my hair if you look so good,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: like how are you keeping your hair? It just comes
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: down to you my brand of Kemo, which is oral Kemo.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I aren't really looking at that. So thank Goodness bears
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: process something to be so grateful for. That's what I'm saying. Greg,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I'm so mad. I wanted you and nail and half wise.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Her hair looks so great and the Daily Mail picture
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at that they took from TikTok because it's healthy.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: She's healthy. I mean Greg Smith as a special deputy
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: there in Johnson County, and you can find Greg at
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Kelsey's Army dot com. You know, sometimes I feel like
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: we've seen it all, but this little girl right here
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: has shown me I have not seen at all. There's
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: still more ways to irritate and disgust us All. Well, Nancy,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: this is a classic example of what I would call
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the oldest profession in the world, and that's the con job.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: These people that do this have no regard for anybody
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: else's feelings. The important thing here is simply to be
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: able to pull the con off for their own benefit.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: The only person that matters is them. They're very narcissistic,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: they're very empathetic, and that they can pull emotion from
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: people in order to get whatever their goal is. But
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: when it comes to caring about other people, there's a
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: zero of that. People say, oh, well, you know that
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: type of crime, it's a victimless crime because nobody's physically heard.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: That's a bunch of bulls. The mental trauma, the emotional
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: trauma that people go through, that particularly those in this
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: case that have had a loved one go through that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: type of cancer. You know, it's unconscionable what she did. Yeah,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about all the cancer patients that hear about
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Madison Marie Russo basically using them as a way for
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: her to siphon Money Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Doctor
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz with me along with Greg Smith from Johnson
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office. Doctor Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists who specializes
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and capital mitigation, author of criminal behavior and where law
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and psychology intersect. You know, Doctor Sherry's bringing back in memory.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: My sister was a professor at the Wharton School at
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: University of Pennsylvania, and when she was studying there, she
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: met her dream man. Brilliant guy, played basketball through high school,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: one scholarships, so smart, and they married and had a
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: child us along after that, he was diagnosed with MS
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and it rapidly ravaged his body and it wasn't many
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: years after that that he went into a wheelchair. He
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: was basically paralyzed from the neck down. And I remember
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: being with my sister and Peter and her husband, and
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: we would drive somewhere and all the handicapped spots would
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: be taken and she would literally and she raised two
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: children and worked full time and took care of her husband.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: She would literally lift him up somehow, she's tiny person,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: get him in the wheelchair. And she did this many
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: times a day, even holding down a full time job
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and a demanding one at that, mentally demanding anyway, and
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: push him into where he was going to go and
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: then turn around and a perfectly healthy person would come
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: get the spot after my sister had somehow hauled him
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: across a huge parking lot to get to the door
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: of let's just say, the grocery store. I mean, she,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: because she's so much a better person than I am,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: would take it in stride. I would want to go
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: slit their tires. And I'm feeling that same thing here.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Explain to me what kind of a person does what
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Madison Marie Russo did well? The kind of person that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: really lacks a conscience on some level, definitely lacks empathy
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: for others, and it's very self directed in terms of
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: what she wants to accomplish. In this case, it appears
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to be that she wanted money by starting to go
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: fund me, maybe she was looking for some sympathy. We
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: call this, I know you'll know this term nancy. It
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: comes up in court a lot. Malingering. It's straight up
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: faking medical or mental health disorders for personal game, whether
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: it's getting out of work or very often some sort
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: of monetary gain some sort of compensation, as opposed to
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: something like Munchhausens, where people might inflict self harm and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: do really horrible things themselves to make them sick with
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: no obvious gain other than maybe sympathy for medical workers.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: But in this case, it seems that she was very
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: motivated by money and was going to ride that ride
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: all the way to the end. Guys, you got to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: hear more of this woman. I've got so much of
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: this woman talking about her ailment, while other people like
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you heard our friend Steph Nikond and Oldrieve talking about
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: what she went through as her father suffered pancreatic cancer. Okay,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: listen to our cut twenty eight here or she goes again.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: The first word that comes to mind is just ugly.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: You know, it's ugly disease. It's nasty, it's it's very
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: just aggressive than you know and wants to just kill everything.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think I would describe
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: it as kind of like like I don't know, like
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: ever changing, because it changes you as a person, and
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm kind of going into this spiritual side
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: of it a little bit, but like, yeah, when I
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: can like it truly changes you, Like I feel like
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I'm a whole different person and from when I was,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you know, the fourth February like this my outlook on
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: life and her spiritual side, my rare end her spiritual side.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: That's her speaking to hosts on the Purple podcast. Kill
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: A Brantley joining me from dailymail dot com. I don't
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: even know what to say about this woman. So somebody
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: noticed she had her tubes and her port in the
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: wrong place. I'm just thinking about all the people across
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the world that have to have a port where they're
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: jabbed so many times. They finally just put in a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: semi prominent port so they don't have to have needles
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: stuck in them all the time. And here she is
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: with her fight port. What is happening with this woman? Well,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: when officers went to her house, I want to take
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you through what was seized from her apartment. There was
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a brown paper bag with medical supplies, an ivy pull
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: with a feeding pump that was filled with cotton balls,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: two boxes of transparent medical dressing, a wig, some cash,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and pills for nausea that were actually in her mother's name,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: not even for her. So she went through all of
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the efforts to get the supplies that made it look
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: like she had this disease. And not only that she's
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: stole money, but she also stole photos from people who
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: suffered from these cancers and posted them as her own
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: to pass them off. You know, just when I think
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I've seen it all, Kirbye clements, somebody like this comes along,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and you and I have seen a lot of bad people,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and our line of business that's really kind of always see,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: aren't the very worst of society. I've seen killers, rapists,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: child molesters, you name it, drug lords, you have to,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: but I gotta tell you, this girl is right up
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: there with the worst of the worst, basically taking advantage
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: of cancer victims. Well, you know, now from the defense perspective,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I would dear lord, what go ahead. She didn't take
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: meat while cancer victims are impacted. I guess incidentally in
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: this she didn't actually take money from them. I think
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: she capitalized and there are some deep issues that she
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: probably had. As a defense lawyer, I mean, you're not
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: going to argue that she's not guilty. You just kinda
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: have to go in there and explain why she did
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: which she did and try to help get her on
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the right track. I think there's some mental health issues
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: going on there. Maybe she liked the attention, low self esteem?
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Who knows? I mean's not an excuse to cut a crime,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: which is why you'd obviously be encouraging her to take
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a plea. I gotta ask you something, Kirby Clements, who
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: killed you? And is wearing your skin? Because you never
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: would have said that as a prosecutor. What happened to
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Kirby Lord? Where did he go? Bring him back? I
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: want to sign a truth, Justice and Freedom now right?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: You know what? I think somebody's going to disagree with you.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: And her name is Stephanie Condon old Rave. So, Stephanie,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: what do you have to say to miss Madison Marie Russo? Oh,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a there's a range of feelings.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: You know, you certainly feel, you know, as a person
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that went through a diagnosis with her dad, you certainly feel,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you know, angry that she would try to emulate those
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: you know, symptoms and tend to be you know, sick
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: when she's not. Um, you know from you know, I
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: certainly don't have a law degree, but I know um
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: from a you know, a charity perspective, we'd certainly want
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to see individuals like that prosecuted because it does so
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: much damage just to our donor base, you know. And uh,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: you know, and anyone that that supported her, you know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: would feel a sense of being taken advantage of. Especially
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: you know, when you look at pancretic cancer, the average
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: age is about sixty years old, and those are a
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: lot of the age groups that are being scammed and targeted. Oh,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: you're so right, and you think about it in that perspective.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: To Calum Brandley, isn't it true that she is soon
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: to be arranged? Yeah, she will be arranged in March.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: The beginning of March, she was arrested, got off on
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars cash bond was posted on her behalf.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: But she's facing very real charges. This is a crime. Well,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you know what, when I asked Stephanie Condon Auldrey what
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: she had to say to the defendant, she was much
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: too polite. But see, I don't have that problem, So
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I think I can speak on behalf of a lot
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: of people. Rot in hell, woman, rot in hell, And
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you can count your thirty seven thousand dollars you stole
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: from donors with satan over dinner. We wait as justice influence.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: A goodbye said