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Anna Paul's Awkward TikTok Live · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Kate Torber.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm Sophie Torber. And coming up on today's show,
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough stirs up a cheating scandal. A Perth influencer
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  Speaker 1: is criticised for leaving her baby alone in a hotel room.
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  Speaker 3: Brittany Saunders hits back at critics.
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  Speaker 1: Over Fate Estate and why the internet still hasn't forgiven
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  Speaker 1: Anna Paul. But first, a couple of weeks ago, we
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  Speaker 1: joked on the podcast that if we ever get merch made,
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  Speaker 1: we need the phrase kick to the dick printed on it.
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  Speaker 1: Because we seem to say it a lot. It seems
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  Speaker 1: to pop up in conversation. You in particular, Kate, this
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  Speaker 1: phrase just seems to roll off your tongue.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know I was saying it until recently
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  Speaker 2: when we said it twice in an episode. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, when I was listening back, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: probably should rein that in a little bit. And it
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  Speaker 2: seems to have annoyed one of our longstanding listeners. So
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  Speaker 2: a listener called Madison left a review on Apple podcast saying,
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  Speaker 2: Please stop saying kick to the dick.
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  Speaker 1: Please.
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  Speaker 2: It's so gross to hear.
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  Speaker 1: I thought this was so funny. I had to screenshot
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  Speaker 1: it and put it up on our Instagram story. I
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  Speaker 1: love that you say you had to screenshot it. You
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  Speaker 1: firstly sent it to Kate and I. Every new review
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  Speaker 1: we seem to get, despite Kate and I saying we
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  Speaker 1: don't want to see it, you send through to us.
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  Speaker 1: I send through the nice ones now as well.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, I shared the.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a negative.
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  Speaker 1: I shared the screenshot on Instagram and said, well, this
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  Speaker 1: person clearly isn't interested in merch.
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  Speaker 3: And this post received a massive response.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like you guys are on the same page
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  Speaker 1: as us and love the phrase. One listener wrote, Madison
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  Speaker 1: is dead wrong. I've started incorporating this into my vocab.
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  Speaker 1: Another said, I'm waiting for the exact right moment to
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  Speaker 1: use this in conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Whilst another said, ha ha ha ha ha. Please never stop.
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  Speaker 2: To be fair, there was another listener who wasn't a
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  Speaker 2: massive fan of the phrase. So they said that they
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  Speaker 2: expected that sort of phrase from Lucy and Nikki, but
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  Speaker 2: not from us because we're journalists.
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  Speaker 1: Is this because we're not as cool as Lucy and Nikki?
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  Speaker 3: Or is this like a backhanded?
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  Speaker 1: Because the funny thing is, I actually think we picked
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  Speaker 1: up this phrase from the newsroom. Like I swear at
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  Speaker 1: Channel 10, they used to say kicked in the dick. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because in newsrooms, journos swear all the time and they
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  Speaker 1: use this sort of like phrasing. It's funny because when
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  Speaker 1: this listener said, oh, I expect this from Lucy and
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  Speaker 1: Nikki and not you guys, it made me want to
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  Speaker 1: use it more because I think that Lucy and Nikki
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  Speaker 1: are pretty iconic.
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  Speaker 2: It was funny because when all this feedback was flowing through,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, hang on. Did we create the saying?
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure we didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard it plenty of times before.
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  Speaker 1: There was some feedback that we say kick to the
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  Speaker 1: dick when I think most people say.
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  Speaker 3: Kick in the dick.
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  Speaker 1: Regardless, would people like this on a shirt or would
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  Speaker 1: people like this on a hat?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Amy will get them printed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I've been offering to get merch done for
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  Speaker 1: ages and you guys have been like, no, no one
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  Speaker 1: will want it. And now it's shocked me that you
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  Speaker 1: guys actually want that phrase on like a hat.
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  Speaker 3: Would you actually wear it? Like, would you wear it
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  Speaker 3: out and about? Yes, 100%.
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  Speaker 2: I definitely would. I actually noticed the other day that
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  Speaker 2: I was wearing, it's actually a pajama shirt from Grey
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  Speaker 2: Lines and it had the phrase, like have a fucking
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  Speaker 2: pavlova or something. And I was like, oh, should I
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  Speaker 2: not be wearing a shirt that says fuck on it
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  Speaker 2: now that I'm a mum?
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  Speaker 1: Wait, was it the actual word fuck?
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  Speaker 2: No, it said have a fucking pav or something on it.
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  Speaker 3: You know what?
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  Speaker 1: I reckon if we do the writing in cursive, kick
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  Speaker 1: to the dick in cursive, it's more difficult to read
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  Speaker 1: so maybe less rude.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Let's float some ideas.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd actually write the word dick.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it would be a censored thing.
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  Speaker 3: What, like an eggplant or something?
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  Speaker 2: Not to sound like a lazy influencer that's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: please give me ideas because I can't be bothered to
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  Speaker 2: come up with them myself. But I'd be really interested
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  Speaker 2: if there are other phrases that we say a lot
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  Speaker 2: that we could also get printed on merch.
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  Speaker 1: That's like somehow it came up in conversation with our
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  Speaker 1: best friend. that each of us have an apparent phrase
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  Speaker 1: when we're angry at each other. Like mine is, all right.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember what you guys say.
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  Speaker 3: I reckon our OG listener, Rodney, he'll have a few
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  Speaker 3: up his sleeve.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I have no idea what to expect.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough has celebrated her 32nd birthday by seemingly taking
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  Speaker 1: a swipe at her ex-husband, Matt Sikowski. Now, Kate, this
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  Speaker 1: seemed like a strange move considering she seemed very loved up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really wasn't expecting this because it seemed like
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  Speaker 2: Tammy was having quite a wholesome birthday. So it appeared
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  Speaker 2: that she was on set alongside her boyfriend, Grayson Timoana.
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  Speaker 2: It looked like he bought her a birthday cake to enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: They also had dinner out with some of her friends
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  Speaker 2: and her manager. And as predicted, he's appearing more and
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  Speaker 2: more on Tammy's socials. So she actually ended up resharing
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  Speaker 2: a picture her manager took of him and her out
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  Speaker 2: at dinner. He also featured in Tammy's throwback photo dump
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  Speaker 2: to their Noosa getaway. So there was a blurred photo
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  Speaker 2: of him throwing Tammy over a shoulder. So it seems
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  Speaker 2: like she's really moved on and is happy.
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  Speaker 3: As someone who has.
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  Speaker 1: A partner that's younger than them, it's always awful when
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  Speaker 1: your birthday rolls around and you take over to an
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  Speaker 1: extra year older than them.
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  Speaker 3: He's 23, isn't he?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So like their ages are like opposites, you know, 23, 32,
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  Speaker 1: like the numbers if you reverse them. Yeah, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he, I think he likes dating an older woman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm guessing she probably doesn't like the fact
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  Speaker 2: that it's always brought up that he's 23 and now
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  Speaker 2: she's 32.
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  Speaker 1: It could be seen as a bit of a flex though.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if the age difference is getting to her
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  Speaker 1: a bit though, because she uploaded a TikTok. miming to
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  Speaker 1: a quote from Carrie Bradshaw saying, it's my birthday and
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  Speaker 1: I'm officially old. This is something I would do. Well,
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  Speaker 1: not so much the miming, but the wallowing in getting older.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The same person that removed their year of birth from
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  Speaker 1: their Facebook profile when they turned 25. I have to
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  Speaker 1: say 25 was a tough year for me, actually.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny because when I saw this video, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: it's so awkward because obviously Grayson is the one filming it. Like,
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  Speaker 2: was it based off a conversation that they had? Like
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  Speaker 2: maybe he was rubbing it in that she's 32 and
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  Speaker 2: he's only 23 and then they filmed it. Like I
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  Speaker 2: would love to know what went on behind the scenes
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  Speaker 2: that led to that video.
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  Speaker 3: I know exactly what would have happened.
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  Speaker 1: He, this would be his little banter that he's teasing
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  Speaker 1: her that you're old and I'm so young. And like
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  Speaker 1: this would, that would literally, he would be in her
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  Speaker 1: head about it.
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  Speaker 2: I just can't get my head around the fact that
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  Speaker 2: it's already been a year since we were on Matt
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  Speaker 2: Sikowsky watch at Tammy's last birthday, because If you remember,
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  Speaker 2: he was a notable absentee. He also wasn't there at Easter.
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  Speaker 2: He has confirmed that they actually broke up in February,
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  Speaker 2: so that's why he wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: It's also the day that she chose to launch her
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  Speaker 1: supplements brand, Selfish Supps, which again, I can't wrap my
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  Speaker 1: head around that that's been a whole year.
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  Speaker 3: The more and.
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  Speaker 2: More that I get to know Tammy Hambro through her socials,
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  Speaker 2: the more I think that she must really love drama
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  Speaker 2: because she's seemingly had this wholesome birthday where Her boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: seems to have been really nice. I mean, she was
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  Speaker 2: holding a bunch of flowers in the photo that we saw.
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  Speaker 2: He bought her a birthday cake. He's ticking all the boxes.
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  Speaker 2: But the following day, she uploaded a reel of her
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  Speaker 2: eating a sandwich. And in the video, it was all
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  Speaker 2: spilling out everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, good on.
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  Speaker 2: You for being so comfortable eating that sandwich because It
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  Speaker 2: was kind of like vision that you wouldn't want someone
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  Speaker 2: else to see if you get that vibe.
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  Speaker 1: Is that one of those massive sandwiches where there's so
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  Speaker 1: much filling that it's just impossible to eat nicely in public?
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  Speaker 3: Was that the vibe of the video?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of those sandwiches that was toasted
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  Speaker 2: and it would have been very difficult to eat. And
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  Speaker 2: there is someone sitting next to her that presumably is
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  Speaker 2: Grayson and he is catching bits of the sandwich as
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  Speaker 2: it drops out of Tammy's mouth.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't eating the scraps.
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  Speaker 2: Potentially he was. I couldn't quite see. And then he
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  Speaker 2: actually put the sandwich box under her. And Tammy captioned
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  Speaker 2: the video, this kind of intimacy. Now, this obviously sparked
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  Speaker 2: a lot of comments. So someone wrote, chapter what? To
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  Speaker 2: which Tammy replied, chapter three, babes, keep up. Wouldn't it
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  Speaker 2: be chapter four?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it'd be chapter four because there's been
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  Speaker 1: Rhys Hawkins, Matt Poole, Matt Zukowski, and now this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Also, she's dated other guys in between. But the fact
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  Speaker 2: that she's actually saying that Grayson has his own chapter,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a pretty big deal. Anyway, the comment
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  Speaker 2: that has got the most attention is actually a different comment.
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  Speaker 2: So someone wrote, didn't your ex leave love letters everywhere?
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  Speaker 2: Buy your favorite chocolates. To which she responded, cheated on me?
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  Speaker 2: Question mark.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. I mean, we were talking in Tuesday's episode how
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  Speaker 1: Matt Sikowsky seems to be creating these reels to remain
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  Speaker 1: relevant in this storyline.
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  Speaker 3: But here's Tammy bringing him back in.
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  Speaker 2: Throwing him a bone. I mean, probably not the bone
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to be thrown. I mean, ever since that
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  Speaker 2: Grand Prix cheating scandal broke a couple of years ago
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  Speaker 2: and Matt Sikowsky was caught out DMing another woman, there's
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  Speaker 2: always been a question mark about, well, was he to
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  Speaker 2: blame for this breakup? was he unfaithful? And it seems
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  Speaker 2: like Tammy is saying, well, yes, he was.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's interesting timing that she's dropped this, especially because
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  Speaker 1: Matt has done a really good job at repairing his reputation.
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  Speaker 1: Being on I'm a Celeb, I think everyone has sort
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  Speaker 1: of started to question, well, was it Matt's fault, this
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  Speaker 1: relationship breakdown, or did it have something to do with Tammy?
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  Speaker 1: Especially after she stepped on the red carpet with Grayson,
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  Speaker 1: there was almost this shift in tone that people were like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Is she the problem?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we were discussing earlier this week, has
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  Speaker 2: Matt Sikowsky missed the boat in terms of releasing a
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  Speaker 2: tell-all about Tammy Hembrough? But I feel like this opens
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  Speaker 2: the door for him now to share his side of
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  Speaker 2: the story.
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  Speaker 1: It's an interesting way to drop the information because you
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  Speaker 1: could say, oh, she doesn't want to make a big
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  Speaker 1: deal about it because she's only commenting it back to
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  Speaker 1: someone in her TikTok comment section. But she knows that
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  Speaker 1: everyone picks up on every little crumb that she drops.
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  Speaker 1: So she can sort of drop this subtly, but she
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  Speaker 1: knows that this is going to make headlines very shortly.
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  Speaker 2: And for the Daily Mail journalists who haven't yet seen it,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they're going to write an article after they
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  Speaker 2: listen to this podcast about it.
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: Anna Paul's recent TikTok live has proven she's still got
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  Speaker 1: a long way to go to redeem herself. Despite being
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  Speaker 1: cancelled by Michaela Tester more than a year ago, it's
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  Speaker 1: clear the internet hasn't forgotten about the controversial... OnlyFans creator's misdemeanours.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny because millennials and Gen Zers are often criticised
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: for having a short attention span, but it's not the
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  Speaker 2: case when it comes to holding Anna Poole and her
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  Speaker 2: brother Addis accountable. So those viral allegations Michaela Tester made
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  Speaker 2: at the start of 2025 appear to be very fresh
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  Speaker 2: in people's minds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that Anna thought maybe she'd given enough time.
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  Speaker 1: People had forgotten about it. She was safe to jump
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  Speaker 1: on a live TikTok. But from the get-go, she was
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  Speaker 1: spammed with derogatory comments. So her friend Matthew, who she
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  Speaker 1: was filming with, quickly blocked the word ooh when it
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  Speaker 1: popped up, but it wasn't enough. So comments relating to
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  Speaker 1: sexual abuse allegations against her brother Attis followed. And it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't long until things absolutely snowballed. And she looked really rattled.
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  Speaker 1: And it was clear she was trying to ignore the comments.
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  Speaker 1: But that was a little bit hard when the whole
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  Speaker 1: premise of the live was to respond to people's comments
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  Speaker 1: that were coming in.
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  Speaker 3: And everyone watching.
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  Speaker 1: Could see the comments and her face reacting in real time.
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  Speaker 2: It was really awkward because she was looking at Matthew
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  Speaker 2: and trying to tell him to block the comments without
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  Speaker 2: people noticing. And someone's commented saying, I thought you didn't care.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, oh yeah, it's not bothering me. It's
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  Speaker 2: just because it's spam. And then Matthew made a comment
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  Speaker 2: to the effect of it actually kind of drives engagement.
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  Speaker 2: So it's actually kind of better to which Anna responded saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the views to go up. That's so fun.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting that she's referring to it as spam, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: wondering if she's trying to infer that Michaela Testa has
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  Speaker 1: a number of bot accounts who are sending through these comments.
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  Speaker 3: It's not actually people.
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  Speaker 1: Who legitimately dislike her because it's When all of the
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  Speaker 1: cancellations happened last year, they were both saying, oh, you've
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  Speaker 1: got fake accounts and you've got fake accounts making comments.
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  Speaker 3: The thing is, Matthew's right.
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  Speaker 1: All of those comments would be driving up her engagement,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know if it's the best look.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty interesting because Matthew is actually the fiance of
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  Speaker 2: Anna's manager and business partner, Sam Mangan. And the pair
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  Speaker 2: appear to have struck up quite a strong friendship over
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  Speaker 2: the last couple of years because Matthew has featured quite
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  Speaker 2: heavily in Anna's Coachella content. some people were actually saying, oh, Anna,
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  Speaker 2: is Matthew your boyfriend? And she's like, no, he has
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  Speaker 2: a fiance.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it kind of makes sense that he's saying comments like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this will do better for your engagement, considering his fiance
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  Speaker 1: is her manager.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? He's thinking from a business perspective. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: don't worry. This will just drive up, make you more popular.
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  Speaker 1: I just think he said it because he was trying
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  Speaker 1: to make her feel better about being trolled. It's like
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  Speaker 1: when someone sends you hate and you're like, oh, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: go for it.
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  Speaker 2: It's just making this podcast bigger. I get what you're saying,
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  Speaker 2: but the awkward thing is a lot of that commentary
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  Speaker 2: was around serious allegations about her brother. And I think
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  Speaker 2: by saying, oh, don't worry, it just drives up engagement.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this works for you. It was a little
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  Speaker 2: bit off. I mean, Michaela Testa ended up commenting saying,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how terrible that was to say. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is the thing with TikTok live and this is
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  Speaker 2: why so many people jump on them because you see
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  Speaker 2: these awkward things happening that probably it should have been
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  Speaker 2: a conversation off camera. But you're so panicked because you're
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  Speaker 2: getting all this trolling that you're saying things that you
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't normally say when a camera was on.
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  Speaker 1: It reminded me a bit of all the lives that
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  Speaker 1: Tiki Toki guy was doing on the Manosphere documentary. And
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  Speaker 1: you could just tell that all of those Manosphere creators,
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  Speaker 1: they were willing to say outrageous things like that comment
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  Speaker 1: in order to get more clicks and views because money
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  Speaker 1: was ultimately their number one aim. I feel like Anna
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  Speaker 1: must have been feeling a lot of pressure in this
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  Speaker 1: live to answer some of these questions because she actually
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  Speaker 1: addressed a comment about her brother in Addis Poll.
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  Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 2: Are you showering with your bro anytime soon?
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  Speaker 3: I shower with him every single day.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually dating my brother. Did you not know this?
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  Speaker 2: Now this comment about showering together is in reference to
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  Speaker 2: that disturbing footage that resurfaced on Reddit from Anna's OnlyFans
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  Speaker 2: account in March. And for those who haven't seen the vision,
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  Speaker 2: Anna is topless in the shower alongside her brother's then girlfriend,
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  Speaker 2: Michaela Tester. And a man behind the camera begins directing them.
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  Speaker 2: And it sounds a lot like Anna's brother, Attis Paul. Now,
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  Speaker 2: last month, Michaela Testa addressed the vision, claiming it proved
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  Speaker 2: her point that Attis filmed his sister's explicit OnlyFans content.
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  Speaker 1: It got worse because off the back of Anna trying
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  Speaker 1: to joke about dating her brother, another user wrote, stop
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  Speaker 1: earning from OnlyFans content with M, M obviously referring to Michaela.
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  Speaker 1: And Anna started reading that comment out before looking startled
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  Speaker 1: and quickly changing her The subject. I don't think she's
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: going to be jumping on another live anytime soon. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Whose idea do you think this was for her to
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  Speaker 1: go live? Because it seems like it was a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm guessing it was financially driven because you
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  Speaker 2: can make a lot of money from live streams. Viewers
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: can send you virtual gifts, which you can convert to
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: real money. I mean, it's pretty ironic because the more
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: views and engagement you generate, the higher your earning potential is.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: So all of those people who were hate watching and
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: spamming the comments were effectively helping her earn money.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Well, that's essentially what Matthew was probably referring to then saying, hey, babe,
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: don't worry about it. We're making plenty of money with
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: all these comments rolling in.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's possible that she knew the reception
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: that she was going to get and went ahead with
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: it anyway? Because we all know how much drama boosts
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: visibility and perhaps she needs it because as much as
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: she wants to hide it, she lost a massive chunk
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: of followers last year. She went from over 7 million
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: followers TikTok followers to 5.6 million and while she still
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: has a lot of people following her it's likely that
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: 1.5 million people who unfollowed her now dislike her.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like she's just a bit irrelevant now I
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: think people don't really know what to do with her
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I mean I unfollowed her when all of the drama
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: unfolded and because I don't follow her now I sort
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: of forget that she puts content out there she really
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: owned that whole wholesome sort of girl next door, TikTok
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: sweetheart vibes. And now I don't think she really knows
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: where to place herself and who she is and what
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: sort of content to create. Oh, I completely agree. I
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: think this was a very strategic move because TikTok lives boost.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Your engagement way more than regular posts. So it's a
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: way of keeping her at the top of the algorithm
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: and she potentially needs it after losing so many followers.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of influencers who are really good
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: at responding to criticism or drama in real time during
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: these sorts of lives. But I think Anna should have
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: learnt that that is not within her skill set at
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the moment, particularly after that awful apology video that we
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: saw last year.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think this just proves how moderated
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: her comments section must be. And it does blow my
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: mind that she would actually put herself in this position,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: particularly because you can't filter what's going on in a live.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: It's very difficult to control the comments. And it was
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: hard to watch her scrambling in real time to moderate
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: those comments while she had to grin and bear it.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: As we have come to expect, Anna's nemesis, Michaela Testa
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: weighed in. On a screen recording of one of Anna's lives,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: she wrote, to see people still caring about the suffering myself,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Alice and Jemaya went through is so kind. Thank you
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: guys for always trying to keep people accountable, especially when
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: they refuse to. And I think that she would be
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: feeling a huge sense of relief and that her coming
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: out and exposing the Paul family in this way wasn't
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: for nothing because it took a lot out of her
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: All of this.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: And the fact, you know, sometimes you think, oh, people
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: are just going to forget about it in a year.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: We've seen people sort of be cancelled for a short
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: amount of time and then people just forget about the misdemeanors.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: But in this case, people have not forgotten and people
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: are still angry.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: A Perth influencer has apologised to her followers after leaving
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: her six-month-old son alone in a Bali hotel room while
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: she got a massage. So before we get into it,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: can you get us up to speed with who the
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: influencer in question is?
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Well, her name is Talia Sky.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: She is a 24-year-old mother of two who shares motherhood
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and lifestyle content on social media. She has 74,000 followers
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: on TikTok and 16,000 on Instagram. Now following the backlash,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: she actually made her Instagram account private.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing that's because the media kept.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Taking pictures of her from there to use in their stories.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sure she'll make her page public again once this
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: is all settled down.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure she'll have a lot of friend
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: requests as well to approve. Now, Talia is currently holidaying
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: with her husband and two young sons in Bali. And
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: as you do when you're a TikToker, she's been vlogging
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the trip. So in a daily vlog, she shared that
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: she had left her six-month-old son alone in her hotel
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: room while she went out to get a foot massage. Now,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: this was while her husband and their four-year-old son were
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: out quad bike riding. And in the vision, Talia showed
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: herself walking around the resort holding the baby monitoring screen. Now,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: allegedly in the video, she made a comment about how
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the massage was next door to the resort and she
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: hoped the monitor would stay connected. I have to say,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I haven't actually seen the footage myself because she swiftly
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: deleted it after the backlash set in.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Everyone also knows how dodgy the internet is in Bali.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: This makes me feel super uncomfortable. I mean, the thing
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: that I don't understand is even though you can see
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: your baby on the monitor, well, if you're that far away...
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: How can you do anything about it if they wake
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: up or something terrible happens? I just don't understand the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: reasoning or the thought behind this.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is difficult to get your head around. It's
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: also rather awkward because the baby monitor Talia was using
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: was actually gifted to her as part of a paid partnership.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, they'd be spewing.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: So in October, she posted a video talking about the
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: benefits of the baby monitor and And uncomfortably, one of
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: those that she highlighted was how amazing the monitor's range was.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: So she spoke about how she was able to still
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: pick up the monitor five houses away while she was
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: watching her oldest son on his bike. Surprisingly, that vision
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: is still up on TikTok.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Probably not the best promotion for the baby monitors.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I wonder if they'll be asking her to take that
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: content down because they won't want.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: To be associated with her.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Now, concerned followers posted Talia's video on Facebook page Tea
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Time as well as Reddit. And from there, the story
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: went viral and made international mainstream news. Even People magazine
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: in the US have covered this story.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I think a big part of the reason it has
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: generated such a strong response and, you know, internationally as
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: well is because many people are drawing parallels with the
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Madeleine McCann case. So Madeleine disappeared in 2007 after her
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: parents left her in a Portugal apartment with her siblings
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: when they dined at a tapas bar. And I think
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: the fact that Talia was off doing something that is
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: considered self-indulgent, getting a foot massage, caused this uproar. Because
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I remember at the time, Madeleine McCann's parents were absolutely
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: slammed because they were out to dinner and had left
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: their child alone. I feel like if Talia had posted saying,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: oh my God, I've had to pop out of the
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: hotel room to attend to some emergency and I've popped
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the baby monitor on, people would have been like, oh,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: that's okay. But because it was something for her and
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: something that she didn't really have to do, it's angered
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of people.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of a story we covered a couple
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: of years ago.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: There was a US couple called Matt and Abby Howard,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and they were criticized for doing a similar thing. So
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they were on a cruise ship and they got a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: huge amount of backlash because they posted a photo of
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: them watching their baby monitor whilst they were out at
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: a restaurant on board.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: They did have to clarify that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Their sons were not alone when they went to dinner
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and that they had someone with their kids at all times.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I think it was one of their parents was apparently
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: in the room with them. People didn't really believe them though.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: They thought, oh, they were just trying to save themselves
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: from some of the criticism.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I can understand why they felt the need to defend
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: themselves because there is no backlash like the backlash you
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: receive when you're perceived to be a negligent parent, particularly
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: a negligent mother. And while I really don't understand what
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Talia was doing in this situation, I mean, it's incredibly dangerous.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: There's a part of me that feels really, really sorry
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: for her because the mum shaming and the pile on
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: going on at the moment would be so difficult to
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: deal with. And I think that one incident shouldn't shape
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: how someone is viewed as a parent.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I think it'll make her and a lot of other
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: parents who maybe do similar things reflect and realise maybe
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that's not the right thing to do, particularly when you're
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: in a foreign country.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: The crazy part to me is the fact that this
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: isn't something that people have caught her out doing. It's
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: something that she actually chose to post in her vlog.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: So clearly it wasn't something that she thought there was
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: any issue with. I wonder how that feels when you
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: put a piece of content out like that and you're
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: clearly not expecting any backlash and then it just erupts
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: like it has.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I definitely don't think she'll be doing it again.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: She issued a statement on Instagram which read, I want
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to address what's been circulating online. I made a poor
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: decision and I take full responsibility for it. Although I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: was only metres away from the locked resort room and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: had constant monitoring, I recognise that this did not make
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the situation safe. We do have a lovely nanny here
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: in Bali who was unavailable that day.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: That is not a justification, just context.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I understand the seriousness of my actions and I can
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: confidently say that this is the first and last time
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: it will ever happen. I don't mean to pick apart
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: her statement because she is a 24-year-old mum and while
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the term influencer is being bandied around, I feel like
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: she's quite a micro-influencer in a sense.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I'd never heard of her before. She's only got a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: following of 74,000 people. I doubt she has a PR
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: team or a management team around her. So she's clearly
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: written that herself. But I found the comment around, oh,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: we have a lovely nanny, but she wasn't available that day.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, then why not wait for another day
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: to get a foot massage? It doesn't make it any better.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like getting a foot massage is
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a necessity. I mean, she could have waited till her
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: husband and son were back from their quad biking. or
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: even just brought the baby along with her while she
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: was getting it done.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: It's clear this statement didn't satisfy her naysayers because the
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: next day Talia released a follow-up statement addressing what she
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: called misinformation that was circulating online. So she wrote, I
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: did not leave the resort. I did not attend an appointment.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: The hotel room was in my direct sight. The pool
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: and wellness area were only meters away. I was not
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: away from the room for a long period of time.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I was watching him on the monitor the entire time
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and was close enough that I could access the room
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: in seconds if I needed to. She then finished up
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: by saying it wasn't an excuse, but she wanted to
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: correct what was being said online. Side note, how.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Stressful would it be if you did this and your
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: baby started waking up whilst you're midway through a foot massage?
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, what do you be like?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, sorry.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Can we cut this short?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I don't even get how this is supposed to work.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, could you just quickly wipe that oil off
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: my feet while I run to my hotel room?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: The other thing I don't get is in Bali, a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: lot of these services you can request from your room
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: or villa. I mean, when we were in Bali for
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: our 30th, which seems like a lifetime ago now, we
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: had people come to the villas to do massages for us.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I wonder if that was a service that they offered.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking back to our honeymoon. We literally had masseuses
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: come in and give us massages in the living room.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it doesn't really make a lot of sense.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: As you can expect, Talia has limited comments on her
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: TikTok because what she's probably receiving at the moment is
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: absolutely awful.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: What's made it a little.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Bit awkward though is she has allowed a couple of
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: comments to come through where people are throwing their support
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: behind her, calling her a great mum. It just looks
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a bit strange when there's only a handful of comments
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and then everything else is just quiet.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: My advice to her is don't go live on TikTok
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: for a while.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: No.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Darling, you're a loser.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: Honestly.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Brittany Saunders has hit back at critics who slammed her
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: clothing brand's first influencer trip. The event dubbed Fate Estates
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: saw influencers whisked away to a Tuscan-inspired villa in Byron
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Bay for the weekend. Now, Kate, we spoke about this
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: on Friday's show because the event quickly began trending on TikTok.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the feedback was mostly positive. So many people
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: were praising Fate's inclusive guest list. However, there was a
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: corner of the internet who started questioning why competition winners
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: were put up in hotels instead of staying alongside influencers
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: at the estate. On Friday's show, we discussed how ridiculous
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: it was and people actually need to give Britt Saunders kudos. Now,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: since then, Brittany has come out and defended her decision.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what she said on TikTok.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Newsflash, I didn't stay at the Fayette Estate house, neither
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: did myself. We stayed in some accommodation down the road.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: But that's not the point.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: The point is, no matter what you do, especially when
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: you're a female business owner in Australia, people are always
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: going to think that it's not good enough. And I
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: think my biggest takeaway from doing Fade Estate, there's a lot,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: is that I don't give a shit anymore because what
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I'm doing is for the people that want to be
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: a part of it and support it. And if people
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: aren't for supporting a female-owned and funded and focused business
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: in Australia, solo-owned and funded, may I add, then they
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: can just go and support and be part of something else.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more with what she said. I mean,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: this is just a massive case of tall poppy syndrome.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Instead of actually celebrating Brit for putting on such an
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: incredible event, which really gained so much traction online, people
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: instead wanted to pick holes with anything that they could
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: find it almost felt like faux outrage. Like I felt
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: like people were just like, oh, let's find something that
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: we can drag her for.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's disappointing that this always happens to influencers who
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: are trying their best. Like, okay, I'm all for holding
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: brands accountable that don't do the right thing. But I
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: think it's incredibly wrong. to go out of your way
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to pick holes in something when someone is trying their
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: absolute best to make it as inclusive as possible.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Particularly because she did ensure that this was a hybrid event,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: which celebrated both influencers and her customers. I mean, it's
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: very clear that not all of the influencers even stayed
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: at Fate Estate. Some were bussed in with the competition winners.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, even Britt didn't stay at Fate Estate for
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: God's sake.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I love that Britt actually came out and stood up
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: for herself though, because She went on to say that
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: she believes her brand created history in the marketing and
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: influencer space by pulling off an epic event, which people loved.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: She really did.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of brands are going
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to use her event as a blueprint for future influencer
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: events that they hold.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Now, Brit didn't stop there. She also addressed the commentary
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: on Reddit that the accommodation was quote, povo. What an
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Australian word. Let's take a listen to how Brit responded
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: because it was classic.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing what I'm doing for those people that
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: sit online and go, this isn't good enough. The customers
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: are in Povo accommodation. Povo had beachfront views. Thank you
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: very much. I wish I was staying there. You know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: it's just no matter what we do, there's always going
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: to be people, you know, saying something. And it's just
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: so rich. because you know I can be trying the
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: most I can be trying to include everyone I can
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: try to be growing my business you know which is
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: what I'm trying to do I'm trying to grow my
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: business in Australia and people will shit on it but
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: they're the same sort of.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: People be like yeah we love supporting businesses and I'm all.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: For female empowerment but then they just shit on people
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: trying to actually do something.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Why did Brit saying povo remind me so much of
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Jamaican using the word I feel like this was a
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: word that we used a lot at high school but
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I don't really hear it anymore yeah it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Kind of reminds me of the word festy like you
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: don't hear festy a lot but when it's brought up
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it just takes me back to that time in my
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: life when it was used a lot why does it
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: remind me of the word fugly as well these are all.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Jamaican anyway Britt then went on to remind her followers
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that Fate is completely self-funded and she doesn't have outside
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: investors involved.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: She isn't owned by a parent company of billionaire men.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: So she's confused why people are being so critical of her.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: She also pointed out that her label does sizes between
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: 6 and 26 in women's clothes, a feat that many
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: larger labels have haven't been able to achieve. I mean,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: as I touched on before, it just seems like the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: brands who do the most are then the most criticized
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and the most under the microscope, which doesn't make any sense.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: It's like, if you want to spend your time trying
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to make brands do better, then go look elsewhere because
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: fate's already doing a good job. I want to take
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: some credit for Brit speaking out about this matter because
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: She was spurred on by Lucy Jackson, who was spurred
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  Speaker 1: on by our podcast. So Lucy put up a car
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  Speaker 1: rant saying this.
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  Speaker 6: People are so fucking crazy online. Oh, I don't know why,
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  Speaker 6: but this has really struck a chord with me. I
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  Speaker 6: think because I just think Brit is actually doing the
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  Speaker 6: most by being so inclusive with everyone. She gives back
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  Speaker 6: to her customers. And you guys are still... Oh, going
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: to find something to whinge about. Like this is fucking,
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  Speaker 6: I think I'm having a psychotic break. You cannot win.
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  Speaker 6: And everyone that's fucking whinging, I urge you to start
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: a fucking business in this day and age and fucking
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: be able to be everything to everyone and make everyone happy.
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  Speaker 5: Because I own a business.
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  Speaker 6: It's fucking hard work.
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  Speaker 2: I love how passionate she was about this. Her TikTok
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: is one of my favorites at the moment because she
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: really doesn't hold back.
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  Speaker 1: I love how she had to preface in the comment
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: section that we were being supportive of Brit. Like our
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: topic wasn't slamming her for the event. Cause when I
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: first listened to it, I was like, holy fuck. I
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: hope no one thinks that we were the dickheads who
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: were like, she's not doing enough.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: That worried me as well.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: But yes, thank you Lucy for having our back in
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the comment section because We all know what TikTok's like.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Someone gets the wrong end of the stick and then
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: runs with it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the reason that this struck such
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a chord with Lucy is because she also runs a
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: clothing brand.
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  Speaker 3: She and Nikki have Jagger and Stone.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Now, Lucy finished the video pretty iconically saying this.
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  Speaker 5: Also, the people in the comment section having a whinge
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: about not getting invited. It's, you're the last person I'd
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: want to invite to my birthday party. Like someone that like,
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: you know, has a whinge about that kind of a thing.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Like, darling. You're a loser, honestly. This is the type
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: of energy I like in 2026 because I think there
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: was a period of time where influencers were too scared
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: to say what they really think. And this is a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: case of someone who's right, who's completely 100% correct. Like
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't want these people at your birthday party and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: they are losers. And I'm glad we're in a safe
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: space now where we can actually say it.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And pat her on the back about it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Why does this remind me of a comment that you
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: would say, Kate, if you were allowed to be unfiltered,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: like calling these people losers? Maybe Lucy Jackson is the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: unfiltered version of you or the extroverted version of you
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that you wish you could be.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Again, with the kicked in the dick comment.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Like, you know what I mean?
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Just the cooler version of me.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: The cooler version, who you aspire to be. On that note,
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  Speaker 1: I think that is all we have time for today.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode.
• 33:20
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• 33:27
  Speaker 2: And if you want to hear more from us, we
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: drop a bonus episode of Outspoken every Thursday. And this
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: one's quite juicy, Sophie, because, I mean, I've been told
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to mention it on the main show,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: but you mention your connection to the 60 Minutes journalist
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: who's gone viral recently.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, I do.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: You're selling me up the garden path here. I mean,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: he's making headlines. People are saying he's quite hot.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Well, he's a lovely guy.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: We used to work together in Adelaide and Maybe my
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: story is status-mogging a little bit there.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: That's all I'll say.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, we are status-mogging off Adam Hegarty at this point.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: But anyway, if you want to know what we're actually
• 34:08
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  Speaker 3: As long as the Daily Mail doesn't go and run
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: me something from that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I'd be happy to get some free publicity for the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: podcast off the back of that. Now for our listeners
• 34:24
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• 34:27
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  Speaker 3: It's not difficult. Even I can do it.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Now, this episode was recorded on the traditional land of
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains.
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