Latest / Karl and Crew / Works of the Flesh and Fruit of the Spirit with Dr. Jim Coakley & Intentional Christian Grandparenting with Lori Wildenberg

Transcript

Works of the Flesh and Fruit of the Spirit with Dr. Jim Coakley & Intentional Christian Grandparenting with Lori Wildenberg · Karl and Crew

• 0:00
  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
• 0:06
  S1: and crew.
• 0:07
  S2: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
• 0:11
  S2: impossible and live as you never imagined.
• 0:15
  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
• 0:17
  S3: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
• 0:21
  S3: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
• 0:25
  S3: that would make it worth it.
• 0:26
  S4: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
• 0:29
  S4: the life source, which is God.
• 0:32
  S5: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
• 0:36
  S5: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
• 0:39
  S5: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
• 0:44
  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
• 0:48
  S1: and crew.
• 0:49
  S2: It would be good if I turned on my microphone.
• 0:53
  S2: I'm sitting here chatting away, going. Nothing's happening. Nothing's happening.
• 0:58
  S6: Usually helps. Yeah.
• 1:00
  S2: Well good morning. The second hour this morning. And we
• 1:02
  S2: are thrilled that you are along with us. Why? Because
• 1:05
  S2: we are steaming up to our 100th year birthday party.
• 1:09
  S2: 100 years old, Moody radio. My goodness. And I just
• 1:14
  S2: want to stop and tell you I cannot wait. You
• 1:18
  S2: think about different kinds of reunions, thinking about think about
• 1:21
  S2: the reunion we're going to have in glory. And I'm
• 1:23
  S2: not talking the whole boom crew yet. I mean, you've
• 1:26
  S2: got one for you. I'm talking about the people that
• 1:28
  S2: have worked behind microphones at Moody for 100 years. We
• 1:33
  S2: haven't met most of these characters.
• 1:34
  S6: No.
• 1:35
  S4: You're right. We've heard stories about a lot of them, but.
• 1:38
  S2: So we're going.
• 1:38
  S7: To get their names on plaques. Correct. Studios.
• 1:42
  S2: We're going to go to glory. And what we're going
• 1:43
  S2: to see is we're going to have these connections with
• 1:47
  S2: all these people. And it's like you're the first one
• 1:51
  S2: on the mic.
• 1:53
  S4: That will be exciting. I can't wait to get.
• 1:55
  S2: And you know what? He's probably going to say, yes,
• 1:58
  S2: I was.
• 2:01
  S7: Wouldn't have guessed.
• 2:03
  S2: That's a good question. It's so great, man.
• 2:05
  S4: Back in, back in like, I don't know, the 20s
• 2:08
  S4: when radio voice was, you know, more of a thing
• 2:11
  S4: than it is now. Yeah. Uh, do you think that
• 2:14
  S4: that's how they always talked or was that more what.
• 2:16
  S2: Was it, 20s. Dude, I hate to break it to
• 2:18
  S2: you here. I know you weren't born in the 50s
• 2:21
  S2: or the 60s or 70s or the 80s. Or were
• 2:24
  S2: you born in the 90s.
• 2:25
  S4: 80s, 95.
• 2:26
  S2: 95. Yeah. So let me let me agitate you.
• 2:29
  S4: Okay.
• 2:30
  S2: So here's the agitation.
• 2:31
  S4: Come on.
• 2:32
  S2: You, my man, need to know that there were deep
• 2:36
  S2: voices into the 60s. 70s.
• 2:40
  S7: Come on.
• 2:40
  S4: Yes there were. I do know that I wasn't here
• 2:42
  S4: for it, but I know.
• 2:43
  S2: It, so, you know, it's really funny. People tell me. Oh, yeah,
• 2:45
  S2: you got a radio voice. Nobody ever told me that
• 2:48
  S2: until I got on radio. Isn't that funny?
• 2:52
  S4: That is really.
• 2:52
  S7: Funny.
• 2:53
  S2: And then you get on radio. So you need to
• 2:56
  S2: know that you two might have a radio voice, but
• 3:00
  S2: it's 100 years and we're going to we're going to
• 3:02
  S2: connect with those people in glory. I can't wait the
• 3:05
  S2: amount of stories that are going to be told.
• 3:07
  S7: I mean, George Beverly Shea.
• 3:08
  S2: George Bev.
• 3:09
  S7: Shea, Henry Kroll.
• 3:11
  S5: Wendell.
• 3:11
  S7: Loveless. Come on, Aunt Teresa.
• 3:14
  S2: Give me more. Oh, speaking of Aunt Teresa, she was
• 3:17
  S2: referred to yesterday. So many times. Have you got this
• 3:21
  S2: little clip of Aunt Teresa?
• 3:22
  S4: I do.
• 3:23
  S2: Okay. Would you believe I have only heard her voice
• 3:26
  S2: a couple of times? Okay, so I'm going to get
• 3:29
  S2: really familiarized here. This is a little clip of near
• 3:33
  S2: and dear to a lot of people's heart. Aunt Teresa.
• 3:36
  S8: This is a program for little friends of Jesus.
• 3:40
  S9: Little friends of Jesus. What a happy thought. What a
• 3:46
  S9: precious promise in the Bible taught if we seek him early,
• 3:54
  S9: If we come today, we can be his little friend.
• 4:01
  S9: He has said we made.
• 4:06
  S8: Jesus. Little friends like to hear songs about the things
• 4:11
  S8: God has made.
• 4:13
  S2: I'm not sure that wouldn't work today for little ones.
• 4:16
  S7: You have a so precious.
• 4:18
  S2: You have a 15 minute segment where you plop down
• 4:20
  S2: little ones in front of a radio, and I mean,
• 4:23
  S2: that's pretty precious, man.
• 4:24
  S4: So yeah, I agree with that. I think kids would
• 4:26
  S4: like that or something like that.
• 4:28
  S2: Well, they'd be freaked out that this is coming live
• 4:30
  S2: over a box.
• 4:32
  S7: First of all, right, no video to it.
• 4:35
  S2: That is.
• 4:37
  S7: That was.
• 4:37
  S2: Really something. And what's amazing about that is that was
• 4:39
  S2: young thunder singing falsetto.
• 4:41
  S7: That's right. Yeah yeah yeah, I was.
• 4:43
  S4: I was a big help back then.
• 4:44
  S2: No I was now. But that was what he was
• 4:47
  S2: just that was great, man. Thank you, Aunt Teresa. everybody.
• 4:52
  S7: Yeah. Yeah. Cliff.
• 4:54
  S2: Oh my goodness.
• 4:55
  S7: Oh my goodness. So many.
• 4:57
  S2: Yeah. Well here's what I'm going to do. I'm going
• 4:59
  S2: to give away the first two callers that listen to
• 5:02
  S2: Aunt Teresa as a little kid. First two callers coming
• 5:05
  S2: in here gets Carl and crew prize pack 805, five, five, 78, 98.
• 5:10
  S2: It's not you. Listen to her this morning. First two
• 5:12
  S2: that listen to her back in the day. What year
• 5:15
  S2: was Aunt Teresa? Now I'm throwing you curveballs.
• 5:17
  S7: Um, 1932, I want to say 1970 or 71. It
• 5:21
  S7: was a long time. She hosted for children's programming.
• 5:24
  S2: She hosted that whole thing the whole time.
• 5:27
  S7: Right. And it changed names. It was like Ann Teresa,
• 5:29
  S7: and then it was Tiny Tots, but it was still
• 5:31
  S7: all Aunt Teresa know your Bible, but it was still
• 5:34
  S7: all Aunt Teresa.
• 5:35
  S2: First two callers who listened to Aunt Teresa on Moody
• 5:38
  S2: Radio growing up. First two callers gets Carl and Crew
• 5:41
  S2: prize pack.
• 5:42
  S6: Oh.
• 5:43
  S2: 805 557898. How fun is this, guys? First two callers.
• 5:51
  S2: We got 100 year birthday coming up on the 28th
• 5:54
  S2: of this month. 100 years. 805. Five. 578. 98 first
• 6:01
  S2: two callers that listened in Teresa growing up. 805. Five. 578. 98.
• 6:08
  S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
• 6:11
  S1: God showed her. She didn't have to. Ali is in
• 6:14
  S1: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 6:18
  S2: Carl and crew, and we're coming up on 100 year anniversary.
• 6:22
  S2: Our big date is July 28th and we want to
• 6:25
  S2: keep those phones ready. You never know when we're going
• 6:27
  S2: to have a pop up, something where you can win
• 6:30
  S2: a Carl and Crew prize pack. As for the first
• 6:32
  S2: two callers, first two callers that listened to Aunt Teresa
• 6:37
  S2: as kids. And we've got Glenn from Oak Forest, Illinois. Glenn,
• 6:43
  S2: how old are you, my man?
• 6:45
  S10: Um, 69. The end of the year.
• 6:50
  S2: Yeah. Way to go, my man. Do you remember Aunt Teresa?
• 6:54
  S10: Yes. My mom would play that when we were children.
• 7:00
  S10: One of nine kids. And, um, television wasn't much of
• 7:04
  S10: a thing back then for us.
• 7:06
  S2: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Man. Um. What, uh. How many
• 7:11
  S2: how many siblings do you have? You got nine siblings.
• 7:13
  S2: Is that right?
• 7:15
  S10: Yeah. My parents had six boys and three girls.
• 7:19
  S2: Wow. Wow. What's. What's your birth order, my man?
• 7:23
  S10: Well, I'm. I have older brother and an older sister,
• 7:26
  S10: so I'm number three.
• 7:27
  S2: Number three. Wow. So you got to raise those youngins, too.
• 7:31
  S2: You got a hand in that, right?
• 7:35
  S10: Yeah.
• 7:37
  S2: Good.
• 7:38
  S10: Yeah. I was active in the church. They had a
• 7:42
  S10: bus program back in the, the 70s and, you know.
• 7:48
  S10: in fact, um, Mark job. I'm familiar with him because
• 7:55
  S10: his mother was, came out of the church that I
• 7:59
  S10: was in at the time. And he was a missionary
• 8:02
  S10: that the church supported in Spain there.
• 8:05
  S11: That's a cool story. That's a cool story.
• 8:08
  S4: I love that.
• 8:09
  S2: That's awesome. Glenn, stay on the horn. We got a
• 8:11
  S2: Carl and Crew prize pack for you. Caller number two,
• 8:14
  S2: who came in with Sharon. First time caller from Paris, Florida.
• 8:18
  S2: Thank you for calling in. Sharon. You listen to Aunt
• 8:20
  S2: Teresa back in the day.
• 8:23
  S12: I sure did. That made me cry. I'm on my
• 8:27
  S12: way to work and I listen to you guys, Carl
• 8:31
  S12: and crew every morning or the mornings. I work because
• 8:34
  S12: I just work part time now. But I'm 72 and unbelievable.
• 8:39
  S12: I went to hear her voice, you know, that immediately
• 8:43
  S12: brings you right back And oh my gosh. So also
• 8:50
  S12: I lived in New England. I grew up in Connecticut.
• 8:52
  S12: So it was had to be a moody affiliate. Yeah.
• 8:56
  S12: My mother played Christian radio 247. She played songs in
• 9:04
  S12: the night. She, she let that radio go right through
• 9:07
  S12: the night for the family. So I remember him also. Um.
• 9:14
  S2: Mike Kellogg.
• 9:14
  S12: The one that had that, the beautiful soft voice.
• 9:18
  S2: Mike Kellogg. Yeah. Mike Kellogg.
• 9:20
  S6: Okay.
• 9:21
  S2: Yeah. That's great.
• 9:23
  S12: So unbelievable. But I will just say this. What a
• 9:29
  S12: good thing my mother did to do that for us kids,
• 9:33
  S12: because Christian radio went into us. And even in my
• 9:38
  S12: rebellious teen years, I remember coming home, laying on the
• 9:42
  S12: couch in the living room, listening to songs in the
• 9:45
  S12: night and being convicted. It was so. I am such
• 9:51
  S12: an advocate of good old fashioned radio. And yeah, I'm
• 9:55
  S12: a monthly supporter of you guys. Morning crew. So. And
• 10:00
  S12: also Mother Teresa, not Mother Teresa. Teresa had an LP.
• 10:06
  S12: She had a long play album. We had at least
• 10:10
  S12: two of her albums. I still remember blister, The Lost Sheep,
• 10:15
  S12: blister and The way she would speak was unbelievable. Yeah.
• 10:20
  S12: Now you're making me say, I'm going to try to
• 10:22
  S12: find it for my grandkids.
• 10:24
  S2: Oh, you got to do it. You got to do it. Oh,
• 10:27
  S2: that is so good.
• 10:28
  S4: I did check one of her albums is just on YouTube.
• 10:31
  S4: It's 35. 35 straight minutes of of her music just
• 10:34
  S4: on YouTube.
• 10:35
  S2: It's on YouTube.
• 10:36
  S4: Yeah.
• 10:37
  S2: How cool is that?
• 10:38
  S4: Yeah.
• 10:39
  S2: Hold on man. Can we link to that or is
• 10:42
  S2: that not common?
• 10:44
  S4: I think I mean it's public domain. So yeah, you
• 10:46
  S4: can link to it and it's fine I think, but.
• 10:49
  S2: Uh, make a link real quick.
• 10:51
  S4: All right.
• 10:51
  S2: Yeah. Make a link.
• 10:52
  S4: Okay. Hold on. Give me.
• 10:54
  S2: That.
• 10:54
  S4: One. Give me a couple of minutes and then I'll
• 10:56
  S4: have it.
• 10:56
  S2: No. No problem. Um, hang on the phone here. Sharon,
• 10:59
  S2: we got a call and crew prize pack coming your way.
• 11:01
  S2: And I want to extend just a huge thank you
• 11:04
  S2: to you for being a supporter of everything that we're
• 11:07
  S2: doing here with radio. We really appreciate that. Sharon Potter,
• 11:11
  S2: back up. I want to talk to her for a nanosecond. Yeah. Sharon,
• 11:15
  S2: it's people like you. I think a lot of people
• 11:18
  S2: presume that we just get on here and do this
• 11:21
  S2: and that. We've got some piggy bank in the back
• 11:23
  S2: room that we keep dipping into to keep operations going here,
• 11:26
  S2: but we don't. It's people like you, Sharon. And I
• 11:29
  S2: want to say personally, on behalf of all of Moody
• 11:32
  S2: Bible Institute, Moody Publishers, Moody Radio, I want to extend
• 11:35
  S2: a heartfelt thank you to you, Sharon. We really appreciate
• 11:38
  S2: you supporting what we do here. Thank you.
• 11:42
  S12: Absolutely. God bless you guys. I am just zapped by
• 11:47
  S12: the Holy Spirit every morning when I listen to you guys.
• 11:51
  S12: That's great.
• 11:53
  S2: That's great. Zapped by the Holy Spirit. That's a good
• 11:56
  S2: way to put it. Beautiful. Stay on the horn. Sharon.
• 11:59
  S2: We got a calling crew prize pack coming your way.
• 12:01
  S2: What a beautiful thing. Alright, we're going to have a
• 12:04
  S2: link for Aunt Theresa YouTube coming up here. Just a
• 12:08
  S2: couple of minutes.
• 12:10
  S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to cast and crew.
• 12:15
  S2: Yeah. 100 years. And what a celebration we're having. This
• 12:18
  S2: is heartwarming, isn't it guys?
• 12:20
  S4: Oh, I love this. I love hearing people's like, core memories,
• 12:24
  S4: you know? And because we all have those things in
• 12:27
  S4: our brain that just trigger and we're like, oh my goodness,
• 12:30
  S4: that was the best. And I love seeing that for
• 12:33
  S4: other people.
• 12:33
  S2: Yeah. Yeah. It's so good. So we're just featuring Aunt
• 12:37
  S2: Theresa and gave away a couple of cars and crew
• 12:39
  S2: prize packs. The first two callers jumping in here saying,
• 12:43
  S2: I remember listening to her and we got a link
• 12:45
  S2: for you here. This is cool how God works. Young
• 12:48
  S2: Thunder found it, but give you a little taste of
• 12:51
  S2: Aunt Teresa first. This is in the Wayback Machine. Take
• 12:55
  S2: a listen to this.
• 12:57
  S8: This is a program for little friends of Jesus.
• 13:01
  S9: Little friends of Jesus. What a happy thought. What a
• 13:06
  S9: precious promise in the Bible taught. If we seek him early,
• 13:14
  S9: if we come today, we can be his little friend.
• 13:21
  S9: He has set. We made.
• 13:27
  S8: Jesus. Little friends like to hear songs about the things
• 13:31
  S8: God has made.
• 13:33
  S2: Yeah. That's beautiful man. That's in the Wayback Machine, and
• 13:37
  S2: that's Aunt Teresa. What years was she rolling here?
• 13:40
  S7: Super day again, 1930 to 1971, I did clarify 71. Excellent.
• 13:46
  S4: That's awesome.
• 13:47
  S2: So Young Thunder found a YouTube clip. 35 minute little recording, right?
• 13:52
  S4: Yeah. 35 minutes a compilation. It's it's her album, her
• 13:56
  S4: story album and it's a compilation. Just 35 minutes of,
• 14:00
  S4: of some of her stories all kind of combined into one.
• 14:03
  S4: And you can get it just text the word aunt
• 14:06
  S4: a UNT and to 805 557898. Just a YouTube link
• 14:11
  S4: in there 805 557898. Text the word aunt.
• 14:16
  S2: What a cool thing.
• 14:17
  S4: Yeah, I really love that.
• 14:19
  S2: What a cool thing.
• 14:21
  S7: Sweet discovery this morning.
• 14:22
  S2: Yeah.
• 14:23
  S7: You know.
• 14:23
  S2: So good text the word aunt to 805 557898AUNTR to
• 14:32
  S2: 805 78. 98.
• 14:37
  S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl
• 14:40
  S1: and crew on Facebook and Instagram.
• 14:42
  S2: Carl and crew. Well, every Thursday at the bottom of
• 14:47
  S2: the 630 central and 830 central time, we have. Make
• 14:52
  S2: it a metaphor and I've been pitching or Allie's been
• 14:55
  S2: pitching young Thunder a couple of quick stories, and he's
• 15:00
  S2: got to turn it into a metaphor. We're turning this
• 15:04
  S2: thing around, and we are now directing these stories toward you.
• 15:08
  S2: Boom crew. You get a chance to come on air,
• 15:10
  S2: pitch a story, any old story. Now, you can't make
• 15:14
  S2: it a metaphor. You can't tell young thunder. And this
• 15:17
  S2: is what I think it ought to be spiritually. That's
• 15:20
  S2: Jonathan's job. So here's what we're going to do. We've
• 15:24
  S2: got phone lines wide open. We won't be able to
• 15:26
  S2: pick but one story, and we'd love to get. The
• 15:29
  S2: crazier the better. You got a crazy story that's not
• 15:33
  S2: obscene or something that we got to hit the dump
• 15:35
  S2: switch on. We'd love to hear from you.
• 15:39
  S4: Those are helpful parameters.
• 15:41
  S7: My producer heart just hit the ground.
• 15:43
  S4: Something we're allowed to put on it.
• 15:44
  S2: We don't want. We don't. We don't want something that
• 15:47
  S2: we have to dump. Dump. You know, it'd be a
• 15:52
  S2: bummer if our first out of the chute having the
• 15:55
  S2: boom crew pitch a story to you. We gotta dump them.
• 15:58
  S2: That'd be a bummer. So nothing too crazy out there,
• 16:02
  S2: but give us a crazy story for sure. Something crazy
• 16:06
  S2: happened to you, and Jonathan's going to make it a metaphor. Yep.
• 16:11
  S2: It's almost time. And now we're turning it to you. Boom. Crew,
• 16:15
  S2: call in with a story. Any old story? Something crazy
• 16:19
  S2: that happened to you. We'll see if we select you
• 16:22
  S2: to jump on board. And Jonathan's got to make it
• 16:25
  S2: a metaphor. Are you nervous? My man?
• 16:27
  S4: More nervous for these ones than I usually am when
• 16:29
  S4: you guys give the stories. And I don't know why.
• 16:32
  S6: I love it, I love it.
• 16:33
  S4: I think there's added pressure when I realize there's other
• 16:36
  S4: people outside of this room that are listening to me. So.
• 16:40
  S4: So we'll see.
• 16:41
  S2: It's great. As long as you think there's just three
• 16:43
  S2: people listening.
• 16:45
  S4: It's the easiest job in the world when it just
• 16:46
  S4: looks like there's three people looking back at me.
• 16:51
  S2: Give us a call. You got a crazy story? Give
• 16:53
  S2: us a call. (800) 555-7898. A crazy story that happened to you.
• 17:00
  S2: You can't go on too long, man. You got to
• 17:02
  S2: keep this in, like 90s.
• 17:04
  S6: Yeah. Yeah, right. That's true.
• 17:05
  S2: So you can't be you can't be coming on here
• 17:07
  S2: because that's the other reason you get dumped. You got
• 17:09
  S2: a five minute story that ain't cutting it. We're going
• 17:12
  S2: to cut you off. Say, come on, get to the story.
• 17:16
  S2: Super di. Come on. Mike, what are you saying to me?
• 17:18
  S6: Here.
• 17:18
  S2: 30s 30s 30s 805 557898 805 Five. 78. 98. It's
• 17:31
  S2: almost time for making a metaphor. He's going to take
• 17:34
  S2: your story and turn it into a spiritual principle or
• 17:38
  S2: point of application. Hang on.
• 17:40
  S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 17:43
  S2: If you've given away some, why not give away more?
• 17:47
  S2: I mean, uh oh. I mean, why not give away more?
• 17:52
  S7: Sure.
• 17:53
  S4: Fair? Sure. Why not?
• 17:54
  S2: Yeah. So I'm. I'm on a roll here this morning.
• 17:57
  S7: You are?
• 17:58
  S2: Um, and we've got something coming up here in this
• 18:02
  S2: half hour. That is one of the greatest visions for Grandparenting.
• 18:06
  S2: And you might say. All right. I'm not a grandparent yet.
• 18:09
  S2: All right, I get that. But it's coming. And we
• 18:10
  S2: got a lot of grandparents listening. I'm going to prove
• 18:13
  S2: it to you. I am wanting to give away two
• 18:16
  S2: Carl and Crew prize packs right now. Top of the
• 18:20
  S2: hour to the grandparent who has the most grandchildren.
• 18:25
  S7: Oh, fun. Yes.
• 18:27
  S2: How fun is.
• 18:27
  S7: That? Thank you. Yes.
• 18:30
  S2: So if you are a grandparent that probably has, you're
• 18:33
  S2: probably going to have to start at what?
• 18:36
  S4: I don't know, 9 or 10.
• 18:38
  S2: 9 or 10 and.
• 18:39
  S7: Go.
• 18:39
  S2: Up from.
• 18:39
  S7: There. Great grandparent to.
• 18:41
  S2: Oh yeah, you can no. Yes. Now you're right. So
• 18:45
  S2: it's you got grandchildren or great grandchildren. Do the math.
• 18:50
  S2: Do the math.
• 18:52
  S7: Look at the pictures on the wall. Double check the count.
• 18:56
  S7: You know there's pictures. Come on out.
• 18:58
  S2: Get your socks off because you're going to need more
• 19:00
  S2: than your hands. You're going to need your toes. Count
• 19:04
  S2: them up. Get your socks off, everybody. This is for grandparents,
• 19:09
  S2: great grandparents or great great grandparents. Yeah. Because it could
• 19:13
  S2: be great. Great. Could be how many, how many grandchildren,
• 19:18
  S2: great grandchildren or great great grandchildren do you have? We're
• 19:22
  S2: giving away a prize pack to the person with the
• 19:27
  S2: most children, great grandchildren, or great great grandchild. Yeah.
• 19:34
  S7: Yeah.
• 19:34
  S2: Come on. Line them up. 805. Five. Five. 78. 98.
• 19:41
  S2: Give it away. Prize packs here this whole week. Boy,
• 19:44
  S2: we're going for it. I'm glad we got somebody that
• 19:47
  S2: does this for a living here at Moody.
• 19:49
  S7: Yeah yeah yeah.
• 19:51
  S2: Yeah. And it ain't us. No. They're gonna be thrilled
• 19:55
  S2: to see this list. Give us a call. 805 557898.
• 20:01
  S2: Do the math. Get get your socks off. Gotta do
• 20:04
  S2: the math. Add them up. How many do you have? Yeah.
• 20:08
  S2: You got to have your socks off because you're right.
• 20:11
  S2: It's going to be 910. For starters.
• 20:14
  S4: I think about my my grandma if we're counting great
• 20:17
  S4: grandchildren as well. She has 21 grandchildren and great grandchildren.
• 20:21
  S4: And okay. Yeah. So I mean, that's a I mean,
• 20:23
  S4: she's not in the contest, but yeah.
• 20:26
  S2: So let's line them up. Here we go. 805 557898,
• 20:32
  S2: 805 557898. Give us a call right now. We got
• 20:39
  S2: a call and crew prize pack or two on the line.
• 20:42
  S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
• 20:46
  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
• 20:49
  S1: Moody Radio.
• 20:51
  S2: Oh my goodness, we've got a birthday coming up here
• 20:53
  S2: on the 28th of July, and we're just having a
• 20:55
  S2: lot of fun in here in between great content, great interviews,
• 20:59
  S2: opening the Word of God. We're coming to you saying, hey,
• 21:03
  S2: you want to win a Carl and Crew prize pack?
• 21:04
  S2: We got two on the line looking for the persons,
• 21:10
  S2: two of you that have the most grandchildren, great grandchildren
• 21:14
  S2: or great great grandchildren, or I guess is it possible
• 21:18
  S2: biologically to have great, great, great. Yeah.
• 21:20
  S4: Can you.
• 21:21
  S2: Yeah, it could happen.
• 21:23
  S4: Guess if everyone was like 20.
• 21:25
  S2: Everybody's getting on it early. Yeah. Got to get with
• 21:29
  S2: the program to have that.
• 21:30
  S4: Yeah. That's possible.
• 21:32
  S2: Yeah. So we're going to go to the phones. We've
• 21:34
  S2: we've got some of you still calling in with who knows.
• 21:38
  S2: We'll still take phone calls 805 557898. I can tell
• 21:42
  S2: you this. We need to clear the lines though, because
• 21:46
  S2: it looks like. Wow. Carolyn Dyer, Indiana If you don't
• 21:49
  S2: have 42 or more. Whoa. What? Carol, you got 42?
• 21:54
  S13: Yes. Huh? Some. This is a blended family, and we
• 21:58
  S13: have 28 grandchildren and 14 great grandchildren.
• 22:02
  S4: Oh.
• 22:03
  S2: That is wonderful. Way to go, Carol. Stay on the horn.
• 22:07
  S2: You're going to get a Carl and crew prize pack.
• 22:09
  S2: It looks like here. And Betty. First time caller from Plainfield, Illinois.
• 22:14
  S2: What's the head count there of grandchildren, great grandchildren and great, great,
• 22:19
  S2: great grandchildren. What do you have?
• 22:22
  S14: I have 23 grandchildren and 24 great grandchildren.
• 22:28
  S7: Wow.
• 22:29
  S4: Wow. So 47 in total.
• 22:31
  S2: 47. Oh my goodness. How do you keep track of
• 22:36
  S2: them all? Betty.
• 22:37
  S4: Yeah.
• 22:39
  S14: Well, I have three birthdays this weekend.
• 22:42
  S4: I was going to say do you keep their birthdays
• 22:44
  S4: in a calendar?
• 22:45
  S2: I have three birthdays this weekend.
• 22:48
  S7: Yeah.
• 22:49
  S2: Just this weekend. Oh my goodness. Betty. Oh, Betty, you've
• 22:55
  S2: had you've had a you've had a fruitful life here, sister.
• 22:59
  S2: You and Abraham. My goodness.
• 23:01
  S14: I have, I have, I've been blessed. Totally blessed.
• 23:05
  S4: This isn't a part of the number ten kids. Ten kids,
• 23:08
  S4: ten kids.
• 23:09
  S14: Yeah. She had ten kids. Huh?
• 23:11
  S4: Wow.
• 23:11
  S14: And they're wonderful, beautiful kids. Yes. And we all, all
• 23:15
  S14: mostly love Jesus.
• 23:18
  S7: Oh, Yeah, that's.
• 23:21
  S4: Yeah. I guess when you have 57 children, grandchildren, and
• 23:26
  S4: great grandchildren, you're bound to have some birthdays be on
• 23:29
  S4: the same weekend, huh?
• 23:30
  S2: 47.
• 23:31
  S7: Yeah, birthdays are on the clock.
• 23:33
  S4: Well, 47, but then ten kids. So 57 birthdays. Oh, yeah.
• 23:36
  S2: Oh, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
• 23:38
  S7: You're right. That's over one a week. Oh, my nice.
• 23:44
  S2: Man. I bet you were praising God when they were
• 23:46
  S2: hatching on the same day.
• 23:49
  S7: Oh yes that's.
• 23:51
  S14: Yes.
• 23:53
  S2: Oh my goodness.
• 23:54
  S7: Wow.
• 23:55
  S2: Betty, I gotta tell you, sister, that is a story.
• 23:58
  S2: Oh my goodness. You chalk it up to the grace
• 24:00
  S2: of God don't you Betty?
• 24:03
  S14: I sure do, I sure do. God has been good.
• 24:07
  S2: Yeah.
• 24:07
  S14: He really has blessed us tremendously. Yes.
• 24:11
  S2: That is so cool. Well, thank you for listening. And
• 24:14
  S2: you and Carol from Dyer, Indiana. And you, Betty from Plainfield, Illinois.
• 24:19
  S2: Stay on the horn. We got a Carl and Crew
• 24:21
  S2: prize pack coming your way. Some people were probably thinking,
• 24:24
  S2: my 31 is going to win it for sure.
• 24:26
  S4: I mean, 31 is a lot, but then 42 and 47.
• 24:30
  S7: 47 yeah. Had one from Lucille. She's right up there too.
• 24:34
  S7: But that 47 took the top.
• 24:37
  S4: Has to.
• 24:37
  S7: Be oh.
• 24:39
  S2: My goodness. Okay. Coming up here. Speaking of Grandparenting. Oh
• 24:43
  S2: do you need a vision for this? You're going to
• 24:47
  S2: hear something epic coming up.
• 24:50
  S1: Take your next step with Jesus. Today you're listening to
• 24:54
  S1: Carl and crew.
• 24:55
  S2: So I don't know where this lie crept in. Help
• 24:59
  S2: me out, young thunder.
• 25:00
  S4: Okay.
• 25:00
  S2: There's a lie that crept in.
• 25:02
  S4: What? What's that?
• 25:03
  S2: It's lie crept in that when you get to like 65,
• 25:07
  S2: you know, it's retirement time and. Yeah. And in all seriousness,
• 25:12
  S2: many people think the world's done with you. And maybe
• 25:15
  S2: you don't count anymore.
• 25:16
  S4: Yeah.
• 25:17
  S2: No joking. There are a lot of people that have
• 25:20
  S2: retired from life when God's arm them with so much truth.
• 25:25
  S4: Yeah. You know, I think that crept in. It's kind
• 25:27
  S4: of the downside effect. Well, there's a lot of downside
• 25:29
  S4: effects of the American dream as a whole. Don't get
• 25:31
  S4: me wrong. I like the American dream. I like putting
• 25:33
  S4: your your boots on the ground and getting work in
• 25:35
  S4: and succeeding and all that stuff. But I think this
• 25:37
  S4: is a part of it where it's, you know, okay, hey,
• 25:40
  S4: you worked long enough, hard enough. Now you can just quit.
• 25:42
  S4: You can just stop doing things. And on the other
• 25:45
  S4: side of that, there are people who don't want to
• 25:47
  S4: quit that feel like they're forced to.
• 25:49
  S2: Lori Wildenberg is with me right now. She has written
• 25:54
  S2: on this. She believes it. Grandparents are not done. In
• 25:57
  S2: some cases. They're just getting started. Lori, what do you say?
• 26:02
  S15: Yes, it's a renewed passion. If it hasn't already been
• 26:06
  S15: birthed in a person yet, it is coming. And just
• 26:09
  S15: like you know, Carl, when that first grandbaby arrives. Oh
• 26:14
  S15: my gosh, the excitement.
• 26:16
  S2: Yes.
• 26:17
  S15: And you just you can't even. It's supernatural that we
• 26:21
  S15: have these feelings for our grandkids and it's reciprocated by
• 26:26
  S15: the grandkids, which is so cool.
• 26:29
  S2: I love it. I got to tell you, it's one
• 26:31
  S2: of the biggest kicks in my life when we my bride,
• 26:34
  S2: I should say, and I get to help out a
• 26:36
  S2: little bit. But one day a week, she watches our
• 26:38
  S2: our granddaughter and then other times we get to connect
• 26:41
  S2: with her. But one day it's kind of official. It's
• 26:43
  S2: grandma day and I come downstairs or I walk into
• 26:48
  S2: the home and her little feet just start kicking, kicking, kicking, kicking.
• 26:54
  S2: And she's got a big old smile and she can't
• 26:56
  S2: form a lot of words yet. But boy, she's saying,
• 26:59
  S2: give me some of that, grandpa. You know, I think
• 27:02
  S2: grandparents have underestimated the impact that we can have eternally
• 27:06
  S2: on our grandkids lives. We've we've sold it way short,
• 27:10
  S2: haven't we, sister?
• 27:11
  S15: 100%. Before I became a grandparent, I had no idea
• 27:18
  S15: of the impact and influence a grandparent could have. I
• 27:23
  S15: thought I would love it, but I had no idea
• 27:26
  S15: how critical it is until I started doing some investigation
• 27:30
  S15: and studying for the book. Do you know, Carl, we
• 27:35
  S15: are second only to parents in terms of the impact
• 27:39
  S15: on our grandkids faith, morals and values and their development
• 27:44
  S15: in those areas.
• 27:45
  S2: Oh, I love that. And that's so encouraging. Now, this
• 27:49
  S2: doesn't just happen because. And I guess whoa, just something
• 27:53
  S2: just dawned on me. If you approach this passively and
• 27:57
  S2: don't let your light shine before these little grandkids, it
• 28:02
  S2: the net effect might be more negative than it could
• 28:05
  S2: be positive. Those who are in Christ Jesus have an
• 28:08
  S2: opportunity and a half. Right? sister?
• 28:11
  S15: You know, we don't want to be passive. We want
• 28:14
  S15: to be intentional. If we're serious about our faith, we
• 28:17
  S15: want to be intentional Christian grandparents, not just Christian grandparents,
• 28:22
  S15: but intentional ones, because we can make a difference. And
• 28:26
  S15: there's actually quite a few verses in scripture about this relationship.
• 28:31
  S15: And I'm going to read you one of my favorite ones,
• 28:34
  S15: because it really talks about the intentionality of it. This
• 28:37
  S15: is from Deuteronomy four nine, which comes before Deuteronomy six, right?
• 28:42
  S15: Deuteronomy six. Right. Parents are supposed to be active in
• 28:47
  S15: the development of the faith of the children. Here, Deuteronomy
• 28:50
  S15: four nine only be careful and watch yourselves closely so
• 28:56
  S15: you do not forget. So don't be passive, right? Do
• 28:59
  S15: not forget the things your eyes have seen or let
• 29:03
  S15: them fade from your heart as long as you live.
• 29:07
  S15: Teach them to your children and to their children after them.
• 29:12
  S15: We need to be intentional with our grandparents stories.
• 29:17
  S2: I love that, Lori. That's a great verse and I
• 29:20
  S2: couldn't have brought that to mind. Give me the reference again.
• 29:23
  S2: We got grandparents going. Give me that reference again.
• 29:27
  S15: Deuteronomy four nine. And you know what? Prior to being
• 29:31
  S15: a grandparent, I just read over that and thought, oh, aha!
• 29:34
  S15: But now it stands out. It like jumps off the
• 29:37
  S15: page at me.
• 29:38
  S2: Boy, that is huge. You know, I'm not sure I
• 29:42
  S2: didn't have the benefit of that. My grandparents weren't near me.
• 29:45
  S2: I was raised in Alaska. My dad and mom moved
• 29:48
  S2: there before it was a state, before it even reached statehood.
• 29:51
  S2: My grandparents were in California. All four of them. Then
• 29:55
  S2: my grandpa, one on my dad's side. He died young.
• 29:58
  S2: He was the man that was richest in faith. The
• 30:01
  S2: three that were left to be candid with you, I
• 30:04
  S2: love them and they were great. They were good old
• 30:06
  S2: fashioned Swedish saints, if you know what I mean. But
• 30:09
  S2: they didn't. They weren't intentional with me about this. There
• 30:13
  S2: were things that I gleaned from them that were good,
• 30:16
  S2: but they weren't intentional. You're calling grandparents to really get intentional,
• 30:22
  S2: aren't you?
• 30:23
  S15: Yes. We can step up to the plate, and we should.
• 30:26
  S15: And particularly if our adult children are serious about their faith,
• 30:33
  S15: it's going to be really important that we support them
• 30:37
  S15: and encourage them in their quest to raise their kids,
• 30:41
  S15: and they need the help. Studies show that children need
• 30:45
  S15: at least six involved adults in their lives for a
• 30:51
  S15: really healthy development, either spiritually or emotionally or mentally. It's critical.
• 30:58
  S15: It's critical for us to do that.
• 31:01
  S2: Speak to the grandparent who they have grandkids that aren't
• 31:06
  S2: being raised in a robust, Christ following home. That doesn't
• 31:10
  S2: preclude the fact that we can have great impact on
• 31:12
  S2: those kids.
• 31:13
  S15: Absolutely. Don't give up. That's the first thing I would say.
• 31:17
  S15: Do not give up. When I researched for the book
• 31:20
  S15: and I did a lot of interviewing of various grandparents
• 31:23
  S15: and of parents, what were some situations that were, you know,
• 31:28
  S15: maybe some were perhaps estranged and some perhaps strained, shall
• 31:34
  S15: we say. And the people that were more strained, it
• 31:39
  S15: looked as if they were able to have a conversation
• 31:43
  S15: with their adult children. We the first relationship that we
• 31:47
  S15: really need to pour into is with our adult children.
• 31:50
  S15: If we want to have a good relationship with our grandchildren.
• 31:54
  S15: It's really important to keep that in mind. We don't
• 31:57
  S15: skip over our adult child and our I would say
• 32:01
  S15: in loves or in-laws, we have to nurture those relationships.
• 32:05
  S15: That's important and to be very respectful of them. I
• 32:09
  S15: had one family that I interviewed where their daughter had
• 32:13
  S15: been raised, you know, in their home, a Christian, intentionally
• 32:17
  S15: Christian environment. And then as she became an adult, she
• 32:21
  S15: didn't cling to her faith. In fact, she's probably aims
• 32:26
  S15: a little bit more toward being an agnostic. And so
• 32:30
  S15: her parents asked her if it would be okay when
• 32:34
  S15: the kids were in their house, if they would pray
• 32:36
  S15: before a meal, and if spiritual conversations came up, if
• 32:41
  S15: they could address those. And her adult, their adult daughter said, yes,
• 32:45
  S15: of course you can. That's being respectful all the way around.
• 32:49
  S2: Amen.
• 32:50
  S15: That's great. Now, there are other families where they have
• 32:54
  S15: had that conversation and the parents have had said, absolutely not.
• 32:58
  S15: So what we need to do is we always demonstrate Christ.
• 33:03
  S15: And we pray and we forget. We completely forget that
• 33:08
  S15: prayer is, as Oswald Chambers would say, the greater work.
• 33:13
  S15: So we are created to be our grandkids, grandparents, and
• 33:19
  S15: our adult children's parents. So we need to remember that
• 33:23
  S15: our prayers are powerful, even if we are not directly
• 33:28
  S15: speaking to them or praying with them, we can pray
• 33:32
  S15: for them.
• 33:32
  S2: Amen.
• 33:33
  S15: That is huge and that's impactful.
• 33:36
  S2: Lori. We can also live in such a way that
• 33:39
  S2: our light shining in our grandkids see it.
• 33:43
  S15: Yes. To demonstrate Jesus always. And sometimes, if, you know,
• 33:48
  S15: we need to be respectful of the parents wishes, but
• 33:52
  S15: that doesn't mean that we can't pray and we can't
• 33:55
  S15: demonstrate Jesus. And I think that those are things that
• 33:58
  S15: we need to do. And of course, if you walk
• 34:01
  S15: into an intentional Christian grandparents home, you are going to
• 34:06
  S15: see evidence of the Lord there. It's going to be
• 34:09
  S15: verses on the wall or these are things that don't
• 34:14
  S15: get missed by the grandkids. In fact, one of the
• 34:17
  S15: memories that one of my my own children said, and how,
• 34:22
  S15: how they were influenced by their grandparents faith, happened to
• 34:26
  S15: be a plaque that sat on my parents wall. Um,
• 34:30
  S15: and it was a prayer. And so that subtle, right.
• 34:35
  S15: But it's there.
• 34:36
  S2: But it's.
• 34:36
  S15: Real. And these, yes, these things the grandchildren. Notice I
• 34:40
  S15: never knew that my kids noticed that prayer. I had
• 34:43
  S15: no idea. And here it is. Now, my dad, you know,
• 34:46
  S15: has passed away. And my mom, I don't know if
• 34:49
  S15: she even has that plaque anymore, but they remembered that.
• 34:53
  S2: Lori, this is so good. Lori Wildenberg, my guest right now.
• 34:57
  S2: And Boom crew. I am so grateful to have Lori
• 35:01
  S2: with us today because it gives a broader swath of
• 35:04
  S2: you and I mean tens of thousands of you, a
• 35:07
  S2: greater vision for what God can do through your life
• 35:10
  S2: into the lives of your grandchildren. And boy, have we
• 35:13
  S2: got a resource for you, a young thunder. Take it away,
• 35:15
  S2: my man.
• 35:16
  S4: Yeah. Lori's got a new book called Grandparents Make Grand
• 35:20
  S4: Partners How to Have an Eternal Impact on Your Grandchild's Life.
• 35:25
  S4: We know you want that. This is going to be
• 35:27
  S4: a great resource towards that text. The word grand, the
• 35:31
  S4: word grand to 805 five, five, 78, 98. Again, only
• 35:36
  S4: the word grand to 805, five, five, 78, 98. We've
• 35:41
  S4: got a link right in there for you to access
• 35:43
  S4: the book.
• 35:44
  S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
• 35:48
  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 35:51
  S2: All right, here we are. We're ready to roll. And
• 35:54
  S2: you know what? I got doctor Jim Coakley in here,
• 35:56
  S2: Dear friend, colleague, comrade, running partner. And we got to
• 36:02
  S2: do a freedom test. But I got to have some
• 36:05
  S2: freedom music. What do you got, young? Freedom.
• 36:08
  S16: Oh, freedom. My freedom. Perfect. You got to give what
• 36:15
  S16: you take. Freedom.
• 36:18
  S2: Oh, it's really cool about this is that is on
• 36:21
  S2: Jim and Gail's playlist at home. They listen to it
• 36:24
  S2: every night before they go to bed. It is good
• 36:26
  S2: to have you with us here, doctor. Jim Coakley, how
• 36:29
  S2: you doing, my man?
• 36:29
  S17: I'm doing great. My playlist is boring. History podcast. That's
• 36:33
  S17: not that's what's on my playlist.
• 36:36
  S2: Okay. I'm gonna do a freedom test here for you.
• 36:39
  S2: I'm kind of tongue in cheek in this, but I
• 36:41
  S2: want us to explore this, compare and contrast about the
• 36:45
  S2: works of the flesh and the fruit of the spirit.
• 36:50
  S2: You know well the passage that I'm in. Let me
• 36:52
  S2: give them to you, though, Jim. Now the works of
• 36:54
  S2: the flesh. Paul writes to the church of Galatia, who,
• 36:57
  S2: by the way, were. He was struggling with this distorted
• 37:00
  S2: gospel that turned into this external ethic in this religious
• 37:06
  S2: circumcision thing. And everybody had their knives out for him,
• 37:10
  S2: because it's the pull is to not work on the
• 37:13
  S2: inner man, but the outer man. But the problem is,
• 37:15
  S2: when you deal just with the outer man, you start
• 37:17
  S2: doing crazy stuff. And look here, the deeds of the
• 37:21
  S2: flesh are pretty clear here. Sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy,
• 37:32
  S2: fits of anger in the same list with immorality here,
• 37:35
  S2: by the way. Okay. And we go on rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies.
• 37:45
  S2: Let's just linger here for a moment, Jim.
• 37:48
  S17: Yeah.
• 37:49
  S2: One of the great things about Paul's letter to the
• 37:52
  S2: Galatian church is how relevant it is. And you've got
• 37:57
  S2: orgies up alongside envy. What is God saying through Paul
• 38:02
  S2: writing this?
• 38:03
  S17: I think what he's saying and notice it's the works
• 38:05
  S17: or the deeds. It's plural as compared to the singular fruit.
• 38:08
  S17: And I'm sure we'll get there. But the idea is
• 38:10
  S17: sin fragments and it goes a whole bunch of different directions.
• 38:14
  S17: And so it can be for the person who thinks
• 38:17
  S17: is looking pretty good on the outside, maybe they have
• 38:19
  S17: a little jealousy and envy, but it's also for the
• 38:21
  S17: person who goes headlong into, you know, physical licentiousness.
• 38:26
  S2: Yeah. And I think what's great about this is, look,
• 38:29
  S2: there are hierarchical effects of sin. If a man commits
• 38:33
  S2: adultery on his wife, the impact of that has a
• 38:36
  S2: long tail, whereas gossiping a little bit, it does have impact,
• 38:41
  S2: but it's not as grave. But Paul puts them in
• 38:45
  S2: as deeds of the flesh we can't ignore. And it's
• 38:48
  S2: easy to live with a hierarchical mindset with regard to
• 38:53
  S2: our sin. You know what I mean, Jim?
• 38:56
  S17: Oh, yeah. Because we think, well, I'm not committing to
• 38:58
  S17: the hoary, you know, eight or whatever, you know, that
• 39:00
  S17: that are going to be really bad in the eyes
• 39:03
  S17: of most. But they're all sin. They're all, in a sense,
• 39:07
  S17: fracture us in our community. And that's what I love
• 39:09
  S17: about Galatians five, because the whole bracket here is how
• 39:13
  S17: we relate to one another. Yes. And so this whole
• 39:15
  S17: passage of the works or the deeds of the flesh
• 39:18
  S17: and the fruit of the spirit is bracketed by some
• 39:21
  S17: warnings about how we live in community. Yeah. And so
• 39:23
  S17: in verse 15, you're biting and devouring one another. And
• 39:27
  S17: then at the end, another beautiful bookend. It's provoking and
• 39:31
  S17: envying one another. So that's how we know that we're
• 39:34
  S17: doing what Galatians five talks about. It's how we get
• 39:37
  S17: along with one another, not am I good in my
• 39:40
  S17: own personal kind of prayer closet kind of thing, but
• 39:42
  S17: how do I relate to others?
• 39:43
  S2: Because that's the test, isn't it? Now I want to
• 39:46
  S2: get back to verse 16 in a moment here because
• 39:48
  S2: it's I think it is the most epic promise ever
• 39:52
  S2: found in the New Testament, I really do. I think
• 39:54
  S2: it's I don't think there's a greater promise than verse 16,
• 39:58
  S2: but I digress. Let's go into the fruit of the spirit,
• 40:04
  S2: singular the fruit of the spirit. I'll have you comment
• 40:06
  S2: on that in a moment. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness.
• 40:13
  S2: Here's the payoff. Self-Control. Yeah. Wow. Jim.
• 40:18
  S17: Yeah. I mean, I think of these things as triads.
• 40:21
  S17: I mean, here we have nine fruit. And again, it's singular.
• 40:24
  S17: The first three to me are in relationship to what
• 40:28
  S17: the father can produce. The middle three are how we
• 40:32
  S17: relate to one another and then how we relate to ourselves.
• 40:36
  S17: Do we have self-control? Are we able to control our,
• 40:39
  S17: you know, our flesh, so to speak? And so if
• 40:42
  S17: we're in right relationship with the father through the spirit,
• 40:44
  S17: we have fruit, singular fruit, and it's relationally, horizontally, vertically
• 40:49
  S17: and internally. That's the beauty of this passage.
• 40:53
  S2: So you could probably debate this, but wouldn't you say?
• 40:57
  S2: Verse 16, Jim is one of the most epic promises.
• 41:01
  S2: I mean, if you read this, I think most people
• 41:03
  S2: read it and just fly through it too quickly. But
• 41:07
  S2: this is what Paul says. But I say walk by
• 41:10
  S2: the spirit, capital S, Holy Spirit, and you will not
• 41:15
  S2: gratify the desires of the flesh. Yeah, yeah, that's a
• 41:22
  S2: mind blower, Jim.
• 41:23
  S17: Yeah. Because, uh, you know, again, we think about, in
• 41:26
  S17: a sense, freedom is the absence of any regulations or
• 41:30
  S17: total autonomy or absence of any constraint whatsoever. But it's
• 41:34
  S17: really the opposite. We're called to be free. Uh, and
• 41:37
  S17: so the idea is the I love this passage in
• 41:40
  S17: that freedom is kind of like the theme because it
• 41:43
  S17: starts with that, but then it goes, the love is
• 41:46
  S17: the thread. And then of course, the spirit is the power.
• 41:49
  S17: And so it really, in a sense, I love these
• 41:52
  S17: are very, again, well known kind of Christian concepts, but
• 41:56
  S17: I love the way he ties them all together here.
• 41:58
  S17: And it's like you say, it's walking by the spirit.
• 42:01
  S17: That's how we know that we are in step with
• 42:04
  S17: what the Lord wants. And it's not, again, freedom to
• 42:07
  S17: do what we want. It's freedom to become as Christ
• 42:09
  S17: wants us to be.
• 42:11
  S2: We've veered away from this verse, and I think a
• 42:13
  S2: lot of evangelicals, a lot of people in a pretty
• 42:16
  S2: kind of Bible church, I have air quotes going has
• 42:19
  S2: veered away from this because there's abuses with regard to
• 42:23
  S2: Holy Spirit. But if we're just looking at not the
• 42:28
  S2: corrective passages on the spirit and first Corinthians, but on
• 42:32
  S2: the instructive passages of the Holy Spirit in particularly John
• 42:37
  S2: 14 and 16 that are bookends of the vine illustration
• 42:43
  S2: and other teachings of Jesus on the way to the cross.
• 42:46
  S2: What we find here that caused me to underestimate the
• 42:51
  S2: power of the spirit in my life for years is
• 42:54
  S2: the Spirit of God is a person. He is here.
• 42:57
  S2: He's here right now. Yeah, he hears us. He indwells us.
• 43:00
  S2: He regenerates us. We're called to keep being filled with
• 43:04
  S2: the spirit. People have asked me, have you been filled
• 43:06
  S2: with the spirit? God willing, a couple hundred times today. Yeah,
• 43:09
  S2: but living in the power of the spirit or walking
• 43:12
  S2: by the spirit, there's this whole missing element. Now I'm
• 43:15
  S2: hearing people everywhere talk about this. In the evangelical tradition.
• 43:20
  S2: We've called it promptings or nudges or, you know, we've
• 43:23
  S2: used these words. But the fact is, Jesus promised that
• 43:27
  S2: the Holy Spirit would bring to remembrance real time. In
• 43:31
  S2: other words, the Spirit of God is going to interact
• 43:34
  S2: with us at critical times throughout the day to guide
• 43:37
  S2: how we walk. Jim.
• 43:38
  S17: Oh, that's for sure. And that's what the whole idea
• 43:40
  S17: here is. We think about, man, if I just know
• 43:43
  S17: exactly what God wants. Give me ten things I need
• 43:46
  S17: to do. I'll check them off.
• 43:47
  S2: What would Jesus.
• 43:48
  S17: Do? Yeah. What would Jesus do? Yeah, you're right. But
• 43:51
  S17: the idea here is this is relational. What I mean
• 43:54
  S17: by that is it's not rule based. It's in the moment. Spirit.
• 43:59
  S17: What are you wanting me to do here? Because as
• 44:01
  S17: we know in the Scripture, you know, Paul can sometimes be,
• 44:05
  S17: you know, like a nursing mother. Sometimes he's, you know, oh,
• 44:07
  S17: foolish Galatians. He's calling him on the carpet. Well, you
• 44:10
  S17: need wisdom in the spirit to know, do you call
• 44:12
  S17: people out or do you put your arm around them
• 44:15
  S17: and lovingly woo them into a right relationship? And so that's,
• 44:19
  S17: you know, you're not going to find a, you know, a,
• 44:21
  S17: a button to push and say, I'm going to do
• 44:23
  S17: this right every time. No, you got to be so
• 44:25
  S17: in step with the spirit that you're not following a
• 44:27
  S17: bunch of rules. Now, maybe those are kind of guidelines
• 44:30
  S17: that kind of frame some things, but you still need
• 44:33
  S17: wisdom and the spirit in the moment. And that's walking
• 44:37
  S17: is it's an active, it's not passive.
• 44:39
  S2: It's so cool. So I just got back from a
• 44:41
  S2: vacation with my bride. And the one thing that the
• 44:43
  S2: Lord had showed me through His word, living with your
• 44:47
  S2: wife in an understanding way so that your prayers will
• 44:49
  S2: not be ultimately thwarted. God won't freeze you out and
• 44:53
  S2: love your wife as Christ loved the church. The Lord
• 44:56
  S2: was very clear with me. I want this to be
• 44:58
  S2: a vacation where you come back and your wife feels
• 45:01
  S2: so refreshed, understood, heard, listened to, loved, built up, strengthened.
• 45:07
  S2: And I got a phenomenal report. Good kudos. But here's,
• 45:11
  S2: here's the interesting thing. On those six, seven days that
• 45:14
  S2: we were away, Jim, I kid you not. I heard
• 45:17
  S2: the Spirit's voice talking to me from pulling out chairs.
• 45:21
  S2: I'm not kidding you, buddy.
• 45:22
  S17: Opening doors?
• 45:23
  S2: Yes. To listening to her. And maybe I had heard
• 45:28
  S2: the story before. And the Lord said to me, the spirit,
• 45:32
  S2: I believe the Spirit of God said to me, listen again.
• 45:35
  S2: I think we have undershot the practical nature of the
• 45:40
  S2: Spirit of God. That's why Jesus said, it's to your
• 45:43
  S2: advantage that I go. What do you say?
• 45:44
  S17: Oh, for sure. And that's the thing we all know.
• 45:46
  S17: I mean, in your flesh, myself included, we would go
• 45:50
  S17: more selfishly or we would not be thinking of the
• 45:53
  S17: other person. And that's the idea here is love. Goes
• 45:55
  S17: back to Leviticus 19. One of the great commandments are
• 45:59
  S17: to love your neighbor as yourself. And I love that
• 46:02
  S17: based on the Hebrew, the construction there, it's not love is,
• 46:06
  S17: you know, come up, conjure up an emotion. You have
• 46:08
  S17: emotive affective feelings for those who are hurting. It's in
• 46:11
  S17: the Hebrew. It's show love to your neighbor. There's a
• 46:14
  S17: preposition there. It's acts of love. It's not just a
• 46:17
  S17: feeling of love. It's acts of love. And that's like
• 46:19
  S17: you just said, those promptings result in real actions.
• 46:23
  S2: Yeah. And interestingly, the day after we got back, I
• 46:27
  S2: was very short with my wife on something and the
• 46:29
  S2: Holy Spirit said, you were short with your wife on that. Yeah.
• 46:32
  S2: Isn't that interesting?
• 46:33
  S17: Oh yeah. You think, oh man, this is great. I
• 46:35
  S17: get the blessings, but then we revert right back to
• 46:39
  S17: same old patterns.
• 46:40
  S2: But we can stay in that pocket with the spirit
• 46:43
  S2: if we'll begin to train our ear to hear him.
• 46:46
  S17: Right. But you also hope that it's not perfunctory, that
• 46:49
  S17: you don't just open doors or, you know, do certain things.
• 46:53
  S17: You want it to be earnest. Earnest. Yeah. And you
• 46:55
  S17: want it to be spontaneous.
• 46:57
  S2: Okay. As you look at the book of Galatians, how
• 46:59
  S2: have you leveraged your tools, which are iterated? Well, in
• 47:02
  S2: 14 fresh ways to enjoy the Bible. Well, give me
• 47:05
  S2: one of the ways to enjoy the Bible that you
• 47:09
  S2: can leverage. I mean, right now, someone could go to
• 47:11
  S2: the book of Galatians and go right there. You already
• 47:13
  S2: talk about bookends.
• 47:14
  S17: Well, I actually use this passage in one of the
• 47:17
  S17: chapters on beautiful bookends, because I talk about how the framing,
• 47:20
  S17: the bracketing of how we relate to one another, because
• 47:24
  S17: the whole idea of relational cannibalism is really proof of
• 47:27
  S17: whether or not we're walking by the spirit. So we
• 47:29
  S17: see this bracketing effect where you have a repetition of
• 47:33
  S17: similar themes as they come towards the middle, and the
• 47:35
  S17: middle is the works or deeds of the flesh and
• 47:37
  S17: the works of the fruit of the spirit. But then
• 47:40
  S17: I would throw in another one repetition, repetition, freedom, love, spirit.
• 47:45
  S17: Those are all repeated elements. And so you have to
• 47:47
  S17: pay attention as a reader to those terms that the
• 47:50
  S17: biblical author, in this case Paul, repeatedly uses.
• 47:53
  S2: Yeah, I love it. Some of you are like, boy,
• 47:56
  S2: when I read the Bible, it's well, let's put it
• 47:59
  S2: to the positive. Boy, I could use a tool so
• 48:01
  S2: that I could enjoy the Bible in fresh ways. Well,
• 48:04
  S2: we've got it for you, my bride said. It is
• 48:07
  S2: the book that is most helped her as she opens
• 48:11
  S2: the Word of God to glean from it all these
• 48:14
  S2: ways that she can enjoy the Bible more. That's a
• 48:17
  S2: big statement coming from my bride. I want you to
• 48:20
  S2: text the word fresh. His book is called 14 Fresh
• 48:24
  S2: Ways to Enjoy the Bible. Fresh to 805, five five, 78, 98,
• 48:29
  S2: fresh to 805, five, five, 78, 98.