Latest / Rich Fulcher's TalkBox / Rob Auton: Joe Wicks Workouts, Crevices in Your Brain, Tomato Knives, Shocking Gigs & Nationwide Tour I Talk Box Ep.18
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- 0:00Hey talk boxers. We have a very special guest
- 0:03today, Rob Auten. I don't know if you've seen a
- 0:06stand up, but he is very original, very, very intense.
- 0:12It's going to be a cool interview.
- 0:14OK? It's a different kind of
- 0:16interview. OK?
- 0:17I don't know why I have my hands like this.
- 0:20Touchdown. That's what this interview is, a
- 0:24touchdown. So listen, keep watching and
- 0:27please feel free to subscribe if you want, press the button and
- 0:32we'll talk to you later. Bye.
- 0:35Let's see, Rob. What's happening?
- 1:00Oh, hey, Rob, how are you? Hi, Rich.
- 1:03How's it going? I'm OK, thanks.
- 1:05How are you? Have a seat.
- 1:07Come on, let's do it. November 18th, 1968.
- 1:16OK. Is that made anything to you?
- 1:22So how how's it going? There's a strike.
- 1:25It's. Your birthday, isn't it?
- 1:27Yeah, yeah, there's a tube strike.
- 1:33Yeah, I know. It's pretty, pretty dreary.
- 1:37It's for four days I think. But they're stopping for the
- 1:41weekend, aren't they? Yeah, for all the fun.
- 1:47It was all shut off, but I got the Overground and then I got
- 1:51the Elizabeth line, so I was really pleased about that.
- 1:54That's the thing about London. Sometimes you you'll be out and
- 1:57about and then you won't have a way to get home.
- 2:01It's like an adventure. You never know what's going to
- 2:04happen. Yeah, I know.
- 2:09Well, you know, it's adventures. Can't happen in London, can't
- 2:15they? Yeah.
- 2:17Do you think they're overrated adventures or do you like to
- 2:20have? Them overrated Adventures is a
- 2:22good name for something. Yes, business.
- 2:25Welcome to overrated adventure. Yeah, that's set.
- 2:28I've, you know, get get it patented or whatever you need to
- 2:32do. I've been watching a lot of
- 2:33films about businesses. Oh, really?
- 2:38Yeah, the. Boiler Room.
- 2:39The founder. The.
- 2:41Oh, Michael Keaton. McDonald's.
- 2:44Oh yes, I love that movie. Yeah, just saw it for the other
- 2:47night. I love when he drove all the way
- 2:49to California just to see the milkshake machines.
- 2:52Yeah, and it made me really want to have McDonald's.
- 2:57Yes. Like all the way through.
- 3:00What I didn't like about it though is he was dressed as
- 3:04Batman when he walked in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 3:08So you're not meant to do that, are you?
- 3:10No, no. Like, take your old costumes to
- 3:12new films. Yeah, I thought I could just
- 3:15wear this. Yeah, come on, man.
- 3:17We've got our own costume department.
- 3:20But didn't he screw people over the Roy Croc?
- 3:24Yeah, yeah, the But were they? Was it the McDonald brothers?
- 3:28And they had a patent on the way you cook, right?
- 3:31Yeah. Because it was like they had
- 3:33stations where you do the burgers, do the fries.
- 3:37Yeah. And it's a certain and then.
- 3:39What are the masturbation room? Yeah, yeah, I think.
- 3:46The two Pickles in every burger. Isn't it 2 Pickles?
- 3:53Yeah, Can you believe it? No, 22 slices of pickle.
- 3:57And what am I doing with this two slices of pickle?
- 4:00Take it out. I thought that was going to be a
- 4:02lot heavier than that. Yeah, it's light.
- 4:05Well, I've been doing, I've been working out recently, so OK,
- 4:08come on. Nice.
- 4:10Are you doing free weights or? I'm doing Joe Wicks 7 days of
- 4:15sweat workout. You know, Joe Wicks is so
- 4:22popular now. My kid, they want him to do
- 4:25karate, but it's like it's Joe Wicks style.
- 4:29Oh, Joe Wicks Karate. Yeah.
- 4:32What's Hotline? It's.
- 4:33I don't know he wants to do it, but I told him What about
- 4:38regular garden variety karate where you chop?
- 4:43You know what one of my favourite things ever is to see
- 4:45like people who are either going to or coming away from karate.
- 4:50You know, like just when they're in the street.
- 4:52I was in Edinburgh and I saw this kid just walking up the
- 4:55road in a karate outfit. And then you see that, you know,
- 4:58that belt or whatever, and I think it was like a brown belt
- 5:00or something like that. I was like, oh, study on.
- 5:05That's a pretty high up belt. I think it is.
- 5:08Does it go brown and black? Yeah, it's pre black.
- 5:12Yeah, but no Joe Wicks 7 days of sweat.
- 5:16But I always just do the first day.
- 5:20Yeah, so you get it gets harder as the week goes on.
- 5:23You're meant to do 7 days but I do one and then wake up the next
- 5:29day. If I'm really tired I don't do
- 5:31it again, but then I go back to the first day but.
- 5:34Oh wait, I thought you meant John Wick.
- 5:36So shit. That'll be good as well.
- 5:39John Wick has. That workout, Yeah.
- 5:41Yeah. So Joe.
- 5:46Joe Wicks. Did you do that during COVID?
- 5:49Did you? Were you doing the COVID
- 5:51workouts? Yeah.
- 5:53Did you do that? No.
- 5:54Louis Through did that. Oh.
- 5:56Nice. He would, wouldn't he?
- 5:58Yeah, he does all the. Right.
- 6:00I think he was. I'm not sure about that.
- 6:03He was. He was big on Joe Wick's COVID
- 6:08series. No, John, I only saw.
- 6:11I mean, I only saw. One of them.
- 6:15John Wick for the first time the other night.
- 6:18Pretty good, yeah, Yeah. I could.
- 6:22I could follow it. Yeah.
- 6:23Like my brain. I don't know what's wrong with
- 6:27it. I haven't spoken to anyone about
- 6:31it. Your brain?
- 6:32Yeah. Yeah.
- 6:32OK. You know, I know that you can go
- 6:34and speak to people, and people talk about getting diagnosed
- 6:38with all sorts of stuff. Everybody.
- 6:40'S got something wrong with their.
- 6:41Brain Yeah, I think they have. Yeah.
- 6:44You've seen the amount of like crevices in the brain.
- 6:46It's like. There's a lot of shit that can
- 6:48fall in there. Yeah, and get stuck in there and
- 6:53yeah, I just like I when I when I'm reading stuff, I just can't.
- 6:59Someone was saying the other day about their they get they bought
- 7:03their child as a particular type of glasses and it kind of took
- 7:08away their dyslexia. I've heard about that, yeah.
- 7:12So yeah, maybe, maybe I'll do that, but I can't concentrate on
- 7:16books and films. I struggle with if the if the
- 7:20plot is. The like the matrix.
- 7:23If it's tough straight away I'll just lose it.
- 7:27Whereas John. Wick, it's simple.
- 7:30And I, I was on top of it, yeah, you know, because the people who
- 7:35who was there was 1 station in that film where he's fighting
- 7:38people in a nightclub and all the baddies have got a red shirt
- 7:42on. I'm like, this is they're
- 7:46spelling it out. And then he goes into another
- 7:48room, I think, and all the buddies have got a white shirt
- 7:51on. I'm like, I'm enjoying it.
- 7:53That's right. Otherwise, you go, who's
- 7:55fighting who? Yeah, which was like, that's
- 7:59like memento or something like that.
- 8:01I'm not interested. Oh memento is so difficult.
- 8:04Really difficult, isn't it? Yeah, but some people love it
- 8:09and I think, you know, I maybe it's just something to do with
- 8:13focus. Yeah, I think it's focusing.
- 8:17Yeah, but you thought you were telling me to focus, son.
- 8:19Please focus. Yeah, focus.
- 8:25I give tips while we're interviewing.
- 8:28Yeah. Focus, please.
- 8:30Wait, why do you think that is? Like you focus on other things
- 8:34though. Like you're like, say you're
- 8:36doing stand up. You focus on your set.
- 8:38Yeah. And mainly, yeah, yeah,
- 8:41definitely the words. I've try and get the words
- 8:46sorted out but maybe? You're not interested in.
- 8:50Other people's ideas. Yeah.
- 8:52Yeah, unless, you know, if you want me to pay attention to what
- 8:58you've got to say, you've got to make it really simple because
- 9:01I've got too much going on. What?
- 9:04Was the last movie that really captured your attention, do you
- 9:08think? Did you see Jurassic World?
- 9:11Which one? The first one.
- 9:12No, this is the one that just came out.
- 9:15With Scarlett Johansson in it. Yeah, I.
- 9:17Haven't seen, Yeah, yeah, I've only seen the adverts on the
- 9:19side of the buses. OK.
- 9:21Is the rock in that? No, he should be.
- 9:25Wait, is he? Kenny's going to look it up.
- 9:29He looks. Everything.
- 9:30Oh, he's in Jumanji. Yeah.
- 9:32Oh, the remake of Jumanji. Yeah.
- 9:33Yeah. No, I've never seen it.
- 9:35Yeah. The last film that.
- 9:37I mean, we also watched BlackBerry last night.
- 9:42That that was the reason I said that.
- 9:44I've been watching. Business.
- 9:46Businesses and patents, we were talking about.
- 9:49Pay. Yes, we were talking.
- 9:50About why business? What is it about?
- 9:52Are you like? No, not at all.
- 9:54It's just those two. They're both available on a
- 9:58streaming service. Steve Jobs That 1 is good.
- 10:03Yeah, that is good, isn't it? Yeah, Yeah.
- 10:05I mean, I like a lot of, I like Steve Jobs is some of his quotes
- 10:15fantastic. Aren't they?
- 10:15Like particularly like the one about once you realise, I mean,
- 10:24this is not the correct quote. But when he says something like
- 10:27once you realise that everything in the world has been made-up by
- 10:31a person who is no smarter than you, it kind of frees you up a
- 10:34bit. But you know, there are quite a
- 10:37few people who are quite a bit Spartan than me.
- 10:40But I did like, I do think about that like everything's just been
- 10:44made, made by humans, so. Exactly.
- 10:48It can't be that. No, no.
- 10:51I know there's some very, very smart people around, but.
- 10:55They put their pants on 2 legs at a time, just like everybody.
- 10:59Else, I saw a quote from Rick Mayo the other day that said
- 11:04don't take authority too seriously.
- 11:06You know, I never took it too seriously and I was much better
- 11:09off for it, much better for it, you know, And it's like I spent
- 11:13so much time worrying about. Well, we have hang ups.
- 11:20We have hang ups that block ourselves.
- 11:23Yeah. Because it's like it took me a
- 11:25while just to understand about doing something you wanted to do
- 11:31as opposed to what you thought other people wanted you to do.
- 11:36It just takes. Like in like Morgan Freeman at
- 11:39the end of Shawshank. When he's, when he's, he's just
- 11:43like, sign your little form mate, whatever.
- 11:46I know. And then you thought he was
- 11:48going to kill himself just like the other guy, remember?
- 11:53And then he decided no. I never thought Morgan Freeman
- 11:58was going to kill himself in Xiao Xang.
- 12:00You didn't. OK, well that's what they wanted
- 12:04you to think. Can I read out some?
- 12:10Can I look? I did some stuff here.
- 12:12Oh. OK, you brought stuff.
- 12:14You're the. 1st I did. I did some research.
- 12:16Yeah, it's not me. Kenny, are you buzzing?
- 12:22No. Oh, OK.
- 12:23I can't be buzzing. I don't have.
- 12:24There's no signal there, is there?
- 12:26No, I don't think so. Is it me?
- 12:31OK, God. Damn it.
- 12:34It's an Amber Alert that's not funny by the.
- 12:40Way I turn that off, I turn that off you.
- 12:42Do. You know, no, that everyone was
- 12:44meant to get a siren yesterday, but.
- 12:46Yes, I got 1. What did it sound like?
- 12:49Was it loud? Pretty loud.
- 12:52I just thought I don't want the fingers in my phone, you know
- 12:55what I mean? It's like you can turn it off.
- 12:57Oh, you can. But imagine if you're in a
- 12:59football stadium or something and it goes off.
- 13:01We're getting intimate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 13:06That would be, you know, what we're going to do now.
- 13:10Totally ruins it. Yeah.
- 13:12Yeah. So what did you bring?
- 13:15I'm just impressed. What was Saint Alban's school in
- 13:20Washington like? Oh, you're, you're asking me
- 13:23question. Well, there were a lot of
- 13:25political kids there. Musa.
- 13:27Yeah, yeah. But it was very interesting
- 13:30school, yeah. Massachusetts, known for its
- 13:34academic excellence. Well, they have a lot of schools
- 13:38there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was.
- 13:40My dad was in the Air Force, so we moved.
- 13:42Around. Oh, really?
- 13:43Yeah, the official language of Massachusetts.
- 13:48Is Massachusetts. English.
- 13:51Yes, yes, Pilgrim English. Yeah, 1639, America's first post
- 13:57office opened in Boston. It did OK.
- 14:01I didn't know that. That's interesting.
- 14:04Can I just say this, you've got a degree in government.
- 14:10Yeah. Have you?
- 14:11Yeah. What What did you study in
- 14:14school? Graphic design.
- 14:16Oh, that's good though. You can use that.
- 14:19I can't go. Do you need some good government
- 14:22today? No, but when?
- 14:24So before you chose government, did you?
- 14:30What did you do before that? Well, I just studied different
- 14:35things. And then you have to declare a
- 14:37major. Yeah.
- 14:38Yeah. But I thought that would be good
- 14:40for law school, which it wasn't. I mean, you could take anything
- 14:43and go to law school, but for some reason I thought I got to
- 14:47take government or something like that.
- 14:49That's what I was talking about earlier.
- 14:51Like, you're not doing what you want, you're doing what you
- 14:54think. Yeah.
- 14:56Yeah. And I, I still think that with
- 15:03comedy, people say that their breakthrough comes when you stop
- 15:07caring about what people. Yes.
- 15:10And I don't know. I mean I've done 11 shows now,
- 15:18like 11 different hours. In a row, right?
- 15:23Apart from the pandemic and it's amazing, but the first one was
- 15:28like all about the colour yellow and I wasn't really that
- 15:30bothered about the old. So it was, I still treated it as
- 15:34like an art project really. And that's good.
- 15:39You weren't thinking about it. No, no.
- 15:42But that made me think I should have had my breakthrough 11
- 15:45years ago in my first show when I'm like, Oh yes, I don't care
- 15:49about the audience, come on, this is going to go great.
- 15:51But. See, now your audiences are
- 15:53getting bigger and then when you do your next show, just don't
- 15:57think about it too much. Yeah.
- 16:00Right. Yeah, like, what about
- 16:01auditions? Have you ever done an audition
- 16:04and the one that you really cared about you didn't get, but
- 16:06the one you go, oh, fuck this. Yeah, I'll just have everything.
- 16:11But do you, do you think that you can intentionally go, I'm
- 16:15not bothered about this and it's still work.
- 16:17It's got to be genuine, like apathy, hasn't it?
- 16:20Yeah. I no, there's a director that I
- 16:24well, it, it was and it was this part that was like a very, very,
- 16:29very small part. And I thought, Oh yeah, I'd love
- 16:32to get that. It was just someone talking into
- 16:34a phone when someone else was walking down the corridor.
- 16:38And I don't even know if you'd see my face.
- 16:41And I went into the room and I was really excited about meeting
- 16:44this guy. And I thought, this is like
- 16:47such, such a small part. What can I do to get a bit more
- 16:53chatting? Yeah, yeah.
- 16:54And I'd just been to buy a new pan for cooking, you know, and I
- 17:02bought a tomato knife. Just for tomatoes, yeah, OK.
- 17:10Have you ever used one? No.
- 17:12Well, it's like a serrated small serrated knife.
- 17:16Those are sharp. Yeah, they're really sharp.
- 17:18Yeah, but it's like, but they don't look sharp.
- 17:20They're really deceptive. So it's like it's got a like a
- 17:23smooth groove on it and then you just put your go like that and
- 17:27like you're in straight away. And he said, what's a tomato
- 17:31knife? And I thought, OK, yeah, we've
- 17:34had a good chat about pans, spoke to him about tomato knife.
- 17:38Did I get the part? No.
- 17:40Why I? Just thought I was maybe.
- 17:43You think you went into too much detail?
- 17:45Maybe I took too much of his time You.
- 17:48Know. I I locked the door.
- 17:50I was like, mate, I've got this smart enough.
- 17:52Come on, give us a part. But you've.
- 17:54Been in movies before, right? I've ever been in a movie.
- 17:59Do you do you feel like you you like to talk to the director?
- 18:03Like who? Am I?
- 18:04No, no, no, not at all. No.
- 18:06I'll do exactly what people want me to do.
- 18:08Yeah, yeah. I was in one movie that was
- 18:15called Marching Powder with Danny Dyer.
- 18:18Oh nice. And that was his latest film
- 18:21with Nick Love when I had a small part in that.
- 18:26But the bigger my we're going. To put that up there when yeah,
- 18:29you. Say the bigger my beard grows,
- 18:31the more parts I get for being a homeless person.
- 18:36Oh, really? Yeah, which is like, maybe.
- 18:41No, it's got nothing to do with how much it grows.
- 18:42My picture on the spotlight or whatever is me with quite a big
- 18:48beard, so. But I don't like having a big
- 18:52beard all the time, you know? What if you just shaved it?
- 18:55Another picture in there. Well, this is it.
- 18:58But that's one of the things that I find quite jarring about
- 19:04acting. It's like you've got to have
- 19:06like a buyable face, like a buyable thing.
- 19:09Yeah, so many people. People are looking for a look,
- 19:12aren't they? Yeah, So.
- 19:15And that's completely fine. And that's what people should be
- 19:18doing. That's what I'd be doing if I
- 19:19was a director. Look at this guy.
- 19:21He looks like that. Oh, no, he doesn't.
- 19:23He shaved his beard off. Oh well, he's here for the
- 19:25audition. I get it.
- 19:26Yeah. Yeah.
- 19:27Well, you'd be good for a lot of things besides homeless.
- 19:31I thought so an. Intellectual.
- 19:33I think so. Why am I talking about myself?
- 19:35Some mediaeval knight. Well, I did that in a.
- 19:39Businessman. It seems like an.
- 19:41Alternative business. Well, I was just in Pret,
- 19:44actually, and I saw these three guys come in.
- 19:48It was lunchtime and they all had white shirts on, the same
- 19:52trousers, pretty much the same colour shoes.
- 19:55Yeah. And I just love flipping act
- 19:59these like you see people in there.
- 20:03Bastards. I know I would.
- 20:05I'd love that looks. They look like they've got some
- 20:08stable stuff going on. Do you know what I mean?
- 20:10I think like. Seriously stable.
- 20:12They've got they probably know what they're going to be doing
- 20:15in six months. Oh.
- 20:17And and. They booked their flights.
- 20:20They've got stuff sorted. They'll probably, they'll
- 20:22probably go away on holiday to, you know, with other people who
- 20:28were also going to prep on the lunchtime.
- 20:30And like I just because I used to, I used to work in
- 20:35advertising. You did.
- 20:36Yeah, from like when I when I finished.
- 20:40Were you a copywriter? Yeah, just like a creative.
- 20:43Oh, nice, nice. Like a Jon Hamm.
- 20:46I basically just wanted to did graphic design and that was very
- 20:49much like an ideas based course. Yeah.
- 20:51So you just had to like, you got a brief and then you had to try
- 20:57to answer the brief in a creative way.
- 20:59I love that stuff. It was awesome and like where I
- 21:02went to uni and Newcastle, they had all these massive printing
- 21:05presses and like all lone lino. So it was, it was amazing.
- 21:11And at school art was the thing that I loved the most.
- 21:13Like and and then eventually I got into advertising because I
- 21:18thought advertising looked like such a fantastic place.
- 21:21It's a combination of art and business.
- 21:24Yeah, yeah. But it's not a place for an
- 21:27artist or someone who considers themselves to be like it.
- 21:32It at the end of the day, it is a business.
- 21:34Yeah, yeah. And for for me, it's more about
- 21:38problem solving. Like you've got to have a
- 21:39problem solving type of brain. You can't just be going off on
- 21:43one and like all the time because it doesn't work.
- 21:48Did you do stand up when you were doing?
- 21:50No, no. But it was the reason I got into
- 21:54it was because I was so alive. I had a notebook for like my
- 22:02advertising. And then I had another notebook
- 22:06where I'd just go off and vent and just be like, I fucking hate
- 22:09this stuff, blah, blah, blah, blah.
- 22:11Why can't I just do what I want to do?
- 22:13And just like that? Absolutely.
- 22:15And just like, I felt such a sense of freedom in these
- 22:18notebooks. I was like, no one can tell me
- 22:20what to do in these notebooks. And like, I can draw anything.
- 22:23I can write anything. I absolutely loved it.
- 22:26And then one day the creative director said I'm, I'm, I'm
- 22:31having a fireworks party and there's going to be a bit of
- 22:33poetry. And because he he's.
- 22:39Who does that? Amazing.
- 22:41And I'd been sending. This was the thing when you
- 22:44know, people talk about luck. I'd been, I moved on to London
- 22:50thinking I'm just going to send off some books of short stories
- 22:55that I'd written to advertising companies and like make the
- 22:58covers really nice with like tracing paper and and just
- 23:02sending there's ideas in these. Yeah, advertising companies like
- 23:06ideas, of course. Let's see if anyone likes this.
- 23:10And then, but they would just not get back to me at all.
- 23:13I sent off, I spent so much time like handwriting them all and
- 23:16sending emails and no one got back to me whatsoever.
- 23:19And then my dad phoned me up and said he's a, he wasn't a
- 23:23plumber. Well, he's, he's a plumber,
- 23:25right? He's retired now.
- 23:28But he said where he buys his plumbing pipes from and his
- 23:32equipment, He must have been in there talking about me.
- 23:37And then the person who worked there said my brother-in-law
- 23:41runs a advertising company in London.
- 23:43Why don't you you get him to send his stuff in?
- 23:46And then I did. Just him.
- 23:47He runs it. No, it was like he he was like
- 23:49one of the the head people there.
- 23:51Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and then I sent in my I made
- 23:56ACV that was like it was a cartoon strip.
- 24:02And I put conversation, I put conversation at the top of it
- 24:06with the C big and the vivic. So CV.
- 24:09And then it was just a conversation between like, me
- 24:13and a pig go in and the pig's going like, why do you want to
- 24:16work in advertising? It's the best.
- 24:18And I thought, I thought so. And then I was like, oh, God,
- 24:23come on, someone please. And then?
- 24:25Someone get my big conversation. But, and but the creative
- 24:29director did, yeah, a guy called Martin Galton who was, he did
- 24:34like some of the first ever, like good Levi's adverts.
- 24:37And he was a quite a big dog in advertising and did like some of
- 24:41the his amazing art director and painter and artist and did some
- 24:45of the first like drum breaking Haagen Dazs adverts and stuff
- 24:49like that. And he had been running this
- 24:53poetry night called Bang Said the Gun and then his house.
- 25:00Well, they did it. They actually did it in the
- 25:01Bowery Ballroom in New York. Once oh, I've been there and we
- 25:05did the boost there. Yeah, really.
- 25:08And then they did it. They did it.
- 25:09I think they did it somewhere on maybe like German St somewhere
- 25:13and then, but then, yeah, in German Germany St.
- 25:17And they said, and then anyway, they'd been having a break or
- 25:20whatever, and then I did that. Fireworks.
- 25:25He said, do you want to? No, let's go back to it.
- 25:27So I'd been filling up these notebooks.
- 25:30He came and said, I'm having a fireworks party at my house.
- 25:33There's going to be a bit of poetry.
- 25:35And I said, oh, I've been writing some stuff down.
- 25:37I don't know if it's poetry or not, but do you think I could
- 25:39read it out? I was like, it was one of those
- 25:41things where. Ants.
- 25:42Yeah, and I don't know why. I just felt.
- 25:45Were you slam people? Not yet.
- 25:48Just slagging off advertising the whole time.
- 25:49No, it was just stuff that, I don't know, something made me
- 25:55think there was something in it. I think there was.
- 25:57I would print off. I'd write stuff up on the
- 26:00computers in the advertising office.
- 26:05And I remember I did this piece that was all about the moon
- 26:12being the new face of the British National Party, right?
- 26:17And how people get annoyed when the moon gets taken over by
- 26:23darkness is through the moon cycle.
- 26:26And then the people would be like, this is what's happening
- 26:29to our country. Do you know what I mean?
- 26:31Like say it so that so the moon is a new face for the British
- 26:35National Party. And then all the racist people
- 26:37are getting annoyed because of the shadow coming over the moon.
- 26:40Whatever. And I saw someone pick it up on
- 26:45the photocopier and read it and go like, whoa.
- 26:50And that react, that reaction, the reaction I, I thought, oh,
- 26:55there's something that I, I was like, oh, that maybe there was
- 27:00something in it. I, I just like that idea of the
- 27:03moon being the new face of the British National Party and it,
- 27:06and there'd been something in it, you know?
- 27:08Also, that was a pristine idea you just wrote down off.
- 27:12Of yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is that was such a
- 27:16those pristine ideas where you, you like, you know, there was
- 27:22another one was like, if I had a pen for a penis, I'd write all
- 27:25over your face. I'd use your spots as
- 27:27punctuation. Not one blemish would I waste.
- 27:29If it was all right with you, I'd fill your mouth with ink and
- 27:31use it as a quill. So when we got to restaurants, I
- 27:34could indecently sign the bill. And I'd be like.
- 27:37Print someone's reading it. What is that?
- 27:40And then do. You think subconsciously you
- 27:42left it so that they would read it.
- 27:44No, I don't know. I I just, but it was just, I
- 27:48don't know. It's those.
- 27:50That's my favourite. That's great though.
- 27:53Think about the just trying to get stuff out of your head onto
- 27:58a bit of paper as quick as you can.
- 28:00Yeah, yeah. So there's as little
- 28:02interference as possible. And then just like throwing the
- 28:08dice of it and going, oh, that's, that's a good one or
- 28:12that's a bad one. And then just not really ever
- 28:15knowing. That's one of the things that I
- 28:17find hardest about stand up is that sometimes I have an idea
- 28:21and think, oh, love that. That's going to go well.
- 28:25And then it just doesn't. And then you have another idea
- 28:28and you're like, well, and then that, yeah, you go.
- 28:31Really. That one, you know?
- 28:33Yeah, you just. Can't.
- 28:34There's no way of knowing. Yeah, there's some that you try
- 28:37to hammer home, because this is good, and it never seems to work
- 28:42if you keep. Hammering maybe that goes back
- 28:44to the audition thing of just being like, just Chuck it out
- 28:48there and. And then I think that I read a
- 28:50thing in Stuart Lee's book where he's on about audiences being
- 28:53like cats, where if you pretend that you're not interested, they
- 28:56come up and they allow your legs and like and the.
- 29:02Yeah, so then I so. What about this poetry thing?
- 29:06Well, yeah, I did the gig on the garden wall.
- 29:10I stood up on his garden wall and there was a fight.
- 29:12There was fireworks and there was a bit of poetry.
- 29:15And I was saying stuff like I had a flatmate called Nigel who
- 29:19lived in a shell. I guess that means that I did as
- 29:22well as which was not, you know, it's not my best stuff.
- 29:25But at the start. And they were like, yeah, no,
- 29:30not really, not really that bothered by it.
- 29:34But there was, there was enough stuff for me to feel.
- 29:37How long did? You go How long was your?
- 29:39I think maybe it was 10 minutes, maybe even like 7, and it it
- 29:46didn't go that well, but it went well enough for me to feel good
- 29:52about it. Yeah, it gave me hope and hope.
- 29:56Did anybody else go up? Yeah, so Martin did some and
- 30:00then Dan Cockrell did this other person from Banks of the Gun and
- 30:03a girl called Shanika. They were running it and it was.
- 30:06And I, I'd love to think of it as like a lightning striking
- 30:14type of thing where my life was just made from that moment, but
- 30:17it just wasn't that at all. It was like I tried something
- 30:20and it went well enough for me to have gone.
- 30:25I want to do that again. And that's, that's such an
- 30:28important thing, isn't it? To go.
- 30:30I'd like to do that again, even if it's like an audition and you
- 30:33go, God, that was horrible. But I don't, yeah, they haven't
- 30:40got to me. They haven't killed me.
- 30:42And I feel that way about audiences a lot.
- 30:45Like I've had some shocking gigs, but never bad enough for
- 30:54me to not be like laughing about it in the morning or like just
- 30:58annoyed in kind of a weird way. Well, some people would quit
- 31:03over something like that, which means they have a soft exterior
- 31:09or, you know, they quit very easily.
- 31:11But you, my friend, you're hard as nails.
- 31:18I feel, you know, like I do, honestly, Gee, I don't know if
- 31:22you get this, like when you do comedy or stand up in front of
- 31:28an audience, yes, I do feel like it does toughen you up.
- 31:33Yeah, but I feel like I could lead people into battle in an
- 31:39army situation. Yeah.
- 31:40Like, I'm not as scared as I used to be.
- 31:42No, that might sound flippant. And I know that you'll need a
- 31:45lot of training to lead people into battle, but I I would be
- 31:48like, come on, what's going to happen?
- 31:50But, well, we could die. Yeah.
- 31:53That's how I feel when I go on stage.
- 31:55Yeah, exactly. And it's like.
- 31:56I've died many times. I've died many times.
- 32:00It's different, you know, with war and everything like that,
- 32:03but. It's a little bit like golf,
- 32:07too. They say you hit a bunch of bad
- 32:09shots, bad shot, You hit that one sweet shot and you want to
- 32:14go back. Yeah, kids should come.
- 32:17Yeah. And I've, I love golf.
- 32:20And you do. Yeah, yeah.
- 32:21Oh wow. I used to play all the time when
- 32:24I was younger. I can't, can't.
- 32:26I don't get to play as much anymore.
- 32:27But yeah, those. I was never particularly
- 32:31brilliant, but I had enough good shots.
- 32:34They're in my brain. It's like jokes and it's.
- 32:37Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They make those good.
- 32:40I could still think about them, which is kind of a pathetic
- 32:44thing. But I think it's important to
- 32:47have things in your brain that you like and you keep going back
- 32:52to. And because it can, can just
- 32:56like make you feel all right. And I've got enough bad stuff in
- 33:01there that makes me feel like crap if there's a few things
- 33:06rattling around in there that I can think about.
- 33:09Hold on to. Yeah, you've got to hold on to
- 33:11those things, whether it's like a even, you know, talking about
- 33:14Edinburgh, like conversations when you bump into someone in
- 33:18Edinburgh and like you're talking for half an hour on top
- 33:21of a bin or something and you're like, oh, like you've both got
- 33:24your elbows on a bin and you're like, oh, God, this is just
- 33:28how's it been stuff. Yeah.
- 33:30Like, how's it been going? Oh, yeah, no, it's last night.
- 33:32It was brutal. Yesterday was good.
- 33:34And it's just like this up down type of thing.
- 33:36But this thing of just persistence, like the guy in the
- 33:42founder Michael Keaton, and he's going, persistence is just key,
- 33:47you know, And I've just come back from Edinburgh.
- 33:50Yeah. How was that?
- 33:51I was going to ask you. It was.
- 33:54It's just such a. Mad.
- 33:57It's a scene. It's a scene, it's a bubble,
- 34:00it's a tornado and you're in the eye.
- 34:02It's just insane. And then it's done.
- 34:05But you went in. Let me refer to my notes.
- 34:09Tell me about modern problems in science.
- 34:14Oh, that's when I first. 1994, yeah.
- 34:17There's three guys. Yeah.
- 34:19And we improvised a university lecture, and we each played
- 34:23professors. So we go, we we go to the
- 34:26audience. We need an absurd scientific
- 34:29hypothesis. Yeah.
- 34:31And they'd say something like the Earth is shaped like a giant
- 34:35burrito. And then you go, OK, we'd write
- 34:38it on the board. And then you'd go, I am a
- 34:41professor of what? They go gynaecology and we go,
- 34:44we need another one. And then they go Egyptology or
- 34:48something. And so you would have to be that
- 34:51professor of you'd have to teach.
- 34:54Cool. Yeah.
- 34:55So it caught on because everybody has that classroom
- 34:59experience, so and we would get guests sometimes.
- 35:03We got Sandy Toxberg once. Really.
- 35:06Yeah, it got quite popular. And then you.
- 35:09Toured it? Yeah, we toured it did.
- 35:11You did. You go to like, Australia, yeah.
- 35:17How do you know all this stuff? The Internet?
- 35:22No, no, no. So we did this and then, yeah,
- 35:28then we split. You can type this into like
- 35:30ChatGPT deep dive questions for Rich Horcher and it just comes
- 35:37up. Next time, let's do that for
- 35:42Rob. But this was it, ChatGPT.
- 35:46I did do a lot of other. It's like no question #7 In
- 35:52Snuffbox, your chemistry with Matt Berry is its key, is key to
- 35:56its success. What's the secret behind such a
- 35:59unique and hilarious dynamic? Wait, that's the question that
- 36:04you posed? Or.
- 36:05No, that that I just typed into Chuck JBT.
- 36:07That's mad, isn't it? Isn't that weird?
- 36:10So crazy. Yeah, do you find yourself using
- 36:14a lot of? No, that I'm, I'm only just
- 36:16getting into it. Yeah, but it's one of those
- 36:21things it seems like, you know, five years time, will people be
- 36:25saying what they won't be? Talking.
- 36:29Yeah, like what people actually trusted other people to think.
- 36:34Yeah, yeah, for themselves, like with their own brain instead of
- 36:36going on to the. I know it's like relying on the
- 36:41GPS only for everything. Well, that was one of the things
- 36:46when we was watching the BlackBerry film last night.
- 36:49I just opened Google Maps and imagine speaking, this is so
- 36:55stupid. But talking to someone from the
- 36:59when BlackBerry first came out and like showing them Google
- 37:02Maps and be like, hey look, you can go to America and look at
- 37:05all the streets. Yeah, that was cool.
- 37:07I just thought, wow, that was. Just just.
- 37:10Ridiculous anyway. Did you have a BlackBerry?
- 37:13No, Did you? No, I never got.
- 37:15One my first phone was BT Solnet with like a little aerial on it
- 37:20and he went the the message tone was he went.
- 37:27I loved that Nice. I've got certain memories from
- 37:30it, like brings back. When I hear that, it brings back
- 37:34a memory of like my first proper relationship because that was
- 37:38the tone. That's went off when you know
- 37:41what I love you and I what about I love the fact you can watch a
- 37:49movie and you can tell what year it was just on the size of the
- 37:53phone. Oh yeah.
- 37:55Like in Wall Street and stuff, they have, you know, that movie
- 37:58Wall Street. Yeah, they've got these huge
- 38:01phones. Like you can tell they just came
- 38:04out. Yeah, I mean, my dad was
- 38:08actually one of the first people to have a mobile phone in a
- 38:11satchel in the village where I grew up.
- 38:13Oh, and you build it. Yeah, well, it was, it was in
- 38:16like it was about the size of what will be a laptop case now.
- 38:21But then it had the receiver on it and people, people would
- 38:25laugh at it and be like, what are you doing?
- 38:26That's never going to take off. Yeah.
- 38:28And. Don't jump in the pool with
- 38:31that. Well, not exactly.
- 38:33You have to stick that in a bag of rice.
- 38:35It gets wet. But no, Edinburgh, it's such a
- 38:40strange thing. I love.
- 38:41I love doing it. Yeah, Yeah.
- 38:43And the main thing that I wanted to happen was for my show to be
- 38:47better at the end than it was at the start.
- 38:50And. And it was, well, pretty much
- 38:53the words were pretty much the same, but I'd learn how this is
- 38:56the thing. Delivery.
- 38:57That's it. Yeah.
- 38:59And that's just trial and error and I did like 30 work in
- 39:01progresses or something. Like that?
- 39:02There's nothing like that. No.
- 39:05Where else do you get that? Then?
- 39:07A festival where you do it over and.
- 39:10But there's just that thing of going.
- 39:13I thought that I thought that my words were enough, you know?
- 39:18But they aren't. You've got to be like, you've
- 39:21got to use your face. Yeah.
- 39:23And the different volume. Like ideally I would just be
- 39:27able to read out the script and the ideas will be good enough.
- 39:33That's the whole package isn't it?
- 39:35That's it. And I I'm only just realising
- 39:38that so. Are you doing anything with your
- 39:41show now? Are you going to do?
- 39:43I'm going to tour. I'm touring it next year.
- 39:46Soho Theatre. Plug Away.
- 39:49Yeah, I'm doing a nationwide tour from January.
- 39:53Buy your tickets. Buy your tickets please
- 39:56robotson.co.uk. Oh nice, it's on your site.
- 39:59Yeah, but and the good thing about doing shows like doing a
- 40:05I've done, I've been touring, I've taught the I don't know
- 40:08how. Many you like touring, though.
- 40:10You're a touring beast. Do I like?
- 40:13I do like it, yeah. But there's never.
- 40:17I never look forward to. It's not like I'm bouncing off
- 40:21the walls when I got on the train, you know, being like, I
- 40:24can't wait for this show tonight.
- 40:26It's always just like I've got. Impending dread.
- 40:31Yeah, approach with caution. Every audience ever.
- 40:35You never know. You never know.
- 40:37And like last, like when I was doing a gig once in Exeter,
- 40:40Exeter, Phoenix. They're great.
- 40:44Have you been there? Yeah.
- 40:46There was a person on the front row who had a full Five Guys
- 40:48meal, burger, chips, milkshake, and I was like trying to do my
- 40:52show. Did you call them out?
- 40:54Yeah, big time. I just moved it to the middle of
- 40:56the stage. It's like you can come and get
- 40:57it if you want it too much. I hate that and like.
- 41:02Plus it makes you can smell it probably.
- 41:05Absolutely, food and food. It's like, please, I get so
- 41:11especially in Edinburgh when I've I've got my script, a book
- 41:16script like it was, it was. This isn't a lot I know.
- 41:19I don't know. For your show.
- 41:21Yeah, I'm not good. At you.
- 41:22Nice. Are you good at learning lines?
- 41:24No, I'm terrible. No same here So.
- 41:26Don't talk to me about lines. This was only.
- 41:30How many pages? 11 which isn't that many for an
- 41:34hour. No, but each page is like what,
- 41:377 minutes? Yeah.
- 41:40And I, I was determined to learn it and I was so close on the
- 41:46Wednesday when the previous started to to knowing it.
- 41:50And then some people said, look, just get rid of the script.
- 41:55Yeah. And just kind of, you know it
- 41:59enough. Yeah, but I tried it on the
- 42:04Thursday and there was these people looking at me and I just
- 42:06completely forgot where I was and.
- 42:08You know, it's like because you're, you're learning it like
- 42:11in a room in a different venue. And then the minute you get
- 42:15under lights and then there's people, it's like.
- 42:19Yeah. And it was just, it was such A
- 42:24to think, you know, some people never put themselves through
- 42:26that. But I know it's unnecessary.
- 42:29It's unnecessary. I know people put themselves
- 42:32through other things in life that are difficult, but for me.
- 42:35Marriage. Yeah, that, you know all that,
- 42:38but it's like, it's just so it felt like the world was ending
- 42:45when I forgot my lines. Oh.
- 42:46No. So what did you wind up doing?
- 42:50Well, of course you just, you just wing it and then you, you
- 42:53get a bit further into the story and then you realise you haven't
- 42:56said to keep it here. So then you, you don't know
- 43:00what's happening. And then and then after the
- 43:04show, I'm a complete wreck and people are like I said, I forgot
- 43:08it. I've completely fudged it all.
- 43:10And they're like, what are you talking about?
- 43:12We all thought that that was how it was meant to be.
- 43:14That's one thing I've learned is never like a micro criticise
- 43:20your show afterwards because they go what you missed this
- 43:24bit. I didn't know that.
- 43:26It's like it's more important to you than.
- 43:29Totally. And that is even I'm I think
- 43:33that's it is even say if you're like, who was it?
- 43:38Who was saying like Jerry Seinfeld maybe was saying that
- 43:40you get 90 seconds grace or something?
- 43:43Oh, as a famous celebrity. Yeah, yeah.
- 43:46Oh, like, but what I'm saying is that even people maybe like him,
- 43:54he would would he say some was it?
- 43:59What's the? Deal.
- 44:00Yeah, well, what he say? Like, who was it who said said
- 44:08look, never take the audience, never take the audience's never,
- 44:12never take the audience's experience away from them.
- 44:16So if they come up to you after and say, oh, I love that.
- 44:18Don't say, oh, you should have been here yesterday.
- 44:21Yes, it was great. Yeah, you.
- 44:23It was all right today. You didn't really like it.
- 44:26You would have liked. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 44:27Three days ago when I took off my pants.
- 44:30Yeah. Well, Rob, this is a portion of
- 44:33the show. I don't know if you've seen the
- 44:34podcast at all. It's award-winning.
- 44:37Yeah, it's called fill in the blank.
- 44:43Or I read a sentence, you have to fill in the blanks.
- 44:46It's sort of like blankety blank.
- 44:48Awesome, only not when it comes to blank.
- 44:53I don't trust blank. When it comes to when it comes
- 45:05to circles, right, I don't trust compasses.
- 45:15Yeah, you can never do a perfect circle with a compass.
- 45:19That's good. Maybe I do trust comp.
- 45:21What's the best answer? Have you ever done that on
- 45:23before? No, this is like, like your
- 45:27notes, you know, just the top of your head.
- 45:29OK? Eating blank is disgusting.
- 45:32Absolutely disgusting. Eating pasta is disgusting.
- 45:41Then what? Pasta.
- 45:44Absolutely disgusting. Was there another blank?
- 45:47No, that's actually. I like, I quite like pasta, but
- 45:51that was the first thing that came in to Made and I didn't
- 45:53want to overthink it. Old pasta is bad.
- 45:56I do that. What about ozo pasta?
- 45:59Do you like that? You know, like the big rice?
- 46:01Yeah. Really good stuff, isn't it?
- 46:04Yeah, only I've had it once where I this is when I was not
- 46:08clean. What do you mean drugs I.
- 46:12Was in school, yeah, universal. Well, you'd get it and then
- 46:16eventually there'd be like lice and stuff in a.
- 46:20Oh, yeah. What are they called?
- 46:23Is it called not? It's not win it or something.
- 46:25Maggots. No, once it was a hotel and the
- 46:30Muesli had been out for too long and my nephew looked at it and
- 46:34he was like, there's stuff moving in this Muesli and my, my
- 46:37mum was like, no, there isn't. And then she looked in it and
- 46:40there was. So it's like they get him flour
- 46:42and stuff like that and I think they must get him pasta.
- 46:46It's a certain type of. Bug.
- 46:50You should have gotten a free meal.
- 46:52Can I get a blank blank question mark?
- 47:02Can I get a sparkling water? Yeah, this is the project.
- 47:07So like now I would love to be saying words that are funny and
- 47:15demonstrate my I'm good. I think you.
- 47:19Don't have to be witty or anything.
- 47:22OK. It takes more than 10 blanks to
- 47:25blank. It takes more than 10 journeys
- 47:40to die. That's pretty good.
- 47:43I like that. Oh yeah, because no one knows
- 47:46how big a journey is. A journey could be, you know,
- 47:5010. How many journeys do you do in
- 47:52your lifetime? Podcast could be a journey.
- 47:54Exactly, Yeah. Last question, Yeah, I you're
- 47:58probably glad it's the last question, right?
- 48:01Yeah, I blank way too much comma, so I've decided to blank.
- 48:12I eat way too much, so I've decided to fast.
- 48:18Yeah, you were the body double for Garth in Wayneville, too.
- 48:24For Wayne. For Wayne.
- 48:26Yes, that's OK. You were the body double for
- 48:31Wayne I. Got to dress up as I was signing
- 48:33autographs as him. Really.
- 48:36Yeah. Because people would come up to
- 48:37me. Really.
- 48:38Yeah. Yeah.
- 48:39How cool is that? Well, because we were on
- 48:41location and we were the only crew there.
- 48:45It was in Chicago and I was dressed as him.
- 48:49And then they would go, hey man, can I get your autograph?
- 48:53And then I'd just sign it and stuff, really.
- 48:56Otherwise I'd go, I'm not him and they get mad at me.
- 48:59Yeah. So you have to cap on.
- 49:01Yeah. And the wig and everything.
- 49:03Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was a Garth double
- 49:05with me. What's that?
- 49:06And we, so we did the Bohemian Rhapsody thing when we were.
- 49:11I got to drive the pacer. Did you?
- 49:13Yeah. Whoa.
- 49:15It was such a cool experience. Yeah, that's awesome.
- 49:18Yeah. But I want to end with something
- 49:20to do with you. You're doing your tour.
- 49:24This is your last plug. You're doing your tour.
- 49:27Yeah. Roboton.com.co.uk.
- 49:31Dot co.uk, I'm doing my tour and yeah, it's called CAN.
- 49:39Story of a man called Can. It's about a motivational
- 49:43speaker that I made-up. I love it.
- 49:47Yeah, 50% of crows die within their first year of life due to
- 49:51competing flocks, starvation and predators.
- 49:54Doesn't that make you feel like you've done well to keep
- 49:56yourself alive for as long as you have?
- 49:58Life ain't easy. Hello.
- 50:01See if that's yeah exactly. That's the stuff that you would
- 50:05see. But no, I you know I would.
- 50:08What about? Can I talk to you about this?
- 50:11OK. Upright Citizens Brigade, Yes.
- 50:16Were you in up with Amy Poehler? I.
- 50:18Wasn't in specifically with her. They did shows early on and we
- 50:22did a show called The Secret of Happiness.
- 50:27Right. And I would I played a host like
- 50:31a motivational speaker. Oh, did you?
- 50:33Yeah. But what we would do was we'd
- 50:36say the whole show, the secret of happiness is in this box.
- 50:41Yeah. And we would do a lot of stuff
- 50:44in the show and at at the end of the show we got everybody to
- 50:47come out of the theatre and we said we're going to read to you
- 50:51what the secret of happiness is. And then we'd have a car come by
- 50:56and we'd, we'd the secret of happiness is don't be a sucker.
- 51:02And it was filled with biscuits. And we'd throw the biscuits at
- 51:05the audience and the car would drive by and we'd get in and
- 51:08drive off. Well, that would be the end,
- 51:11yeah. Oh cool.
- 51:13So that's what I'm going to do now, yeah.
- 51:16No, get out the biscuits. That was interesting, thank you
- 51:22for watching. I hope you enjoyed it.
- 51:25And listen, guys, if you have any questions, because Rob asked
- 51:31me a bunch of questions, why don't you ask some questions in
- 51:34the comments and I'll try to answer them on the pod.
- 51:39Isn't that a good way of interacting with people?
- 51:44Yeah, OK. We're a family, right?
- 51:49OK, bye. Rich vultures talk box.