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Carlos Mauricio Ramirez on the NFL preseason · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Show on KALL North Salt Lake, ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show, your home of the best inside of
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  Speaker 2: your youths. Let's get back to OC from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 2: Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show. Welcome in Carlos
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  Speaker 3: Mauricio Ramirez.
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  Speaker 4: Jack of all trades, master of every single one of them.
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  Speaker 4: You can hear him on NFL international MLS on English
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  Speaker 4: and on Spanish calls.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Carlos, welcome back to the show. How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for the introduction. Happy to be here again.
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  Speaker 4: So what's wrong with our RSL squad? They have not
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  Speaker 4: won an MLS match since May. They got $ 15 million
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  Speaker 4: for selling goes though. And everyone's waiting to see how
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  Speaker 4: that's going to be deployed to help this roster.
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  Speaker 3: But it was such a hot start and they've gone
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  Speaker 3: ice cold.
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  Speaker 6: When you sell an asset like Xavier Gozo,
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  Speaker 6: your team will feel it. And then when a player that.
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  Speaker 5: Was producing at a high level like.
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  Speaker 6: Zach Booth gets hurt in that same spot, then you're
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  Speaker 6: in scramble mode.
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  Speaker 5: And then when you have two.
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  Speaker 6: Fronts like Leaks Cup and MLS simultaneously and you don't
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  Speaker 6: have the depth to withstand the rigors of both competitions,
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  Speaker 6: then the problems just pile up.
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  Speaker 5: I think Russell Lake has a.
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  Speaker 6: Really good team. I mean, with injuries like the RPO injury,
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  Speaker 6: the Annelli injury, now the Zach Booth, which you cannot
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  Speaker 6: control or, you know, budget for. But when you look
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  Speaker 6: at the completion or the totality of the roster, I
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  Speaker 6: see a really, first of all, I think you have
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  Speaker 6: one of the greatest coaches in MLS. Pablo Mastroianni is
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  Speaker 6: a football or soccer savant. He knows what he's doing.
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  Speaker 6: Gozo is the evidence of that. And then, uh, I
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  Speaker 6: think has our Connie is, is turning.
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  Speaker 5: Back into shape, recovering from the injury. Um, you have a.
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  Speaker 6: Wealth of, of homegrown young Utah based talent like hazard
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  Speaker 6: Connie who are making their strides and major league soccer goes, though,
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  Speaker 6: is the latest example. So I think it's, it's a
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  Speaker 6: combination of bat luck, which comes in the shape of
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  Speaker 6: injuries Being, to a degree, a victim of your own
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  Speaker 6: success in being able to qualify to the next round
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  Speaker 6: of League's Cup, then you lost the game.
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  Speaker 5: To Lyon, which I understand.
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  Speaker 6: But honestly, it's just that, I think. It's bat luck, injuries,
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  Speaker 6: the selling or the sell of departure of Gozo.
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  Speaker 5: Some players underperforming. I think Victor Ella tune.
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  Speaker 6: G I'm concerned about here's a guy who has scored
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  Speaker 6: eight goals in champions league and is nowhere to be
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  Speaker 6: seen as your backup nine, who should be fighting for
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  Speaker 6: your starting nine spot against surgery. So once.
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  Speaker 5: There's continuity issues.
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  Speaker 6: Because of the rotation. So But I see a really
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  Speaker 6: good team when the squad is healthy and you can
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  Speaker 6: depend on just that. That's the skeleton, the base skeleton
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  Speaker 6: of the team.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a.
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  Speaker 6: Very competitive team with a couple of additions, maybe another
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  Speaker 6: nine perhaps. And I think a winger, a right side
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  Speaker 6: winger to replace Gozo would do wonders for this squad
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  Speaker 6: as well.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of the, you know, headlining moments, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the headlining goals have been a product of the
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  Speaker 4: Gozo's mastery and Diego Luna being a finisher and things
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  Speaker 4: like that. When you take a Pippen away from Jordan
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  Speaker 4: or a Jordan away from Pippen or whatever, I think
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  Speaker 4: we fail to recognize how costly that can be for
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  Speaker 4: your other best player when now a lot of the
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  Speaker 4: defensive pressure is applied in one spot.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And it's a great point. A player that I
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  Speaker 5: think what I've seen from him.
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  Speaker 6: Is encouraging is Lineker Rodriguez. Here's a young guy who
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  Speaker 6: you didn't form. He's not you to native, but he's
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  Speaker 6: now spent, I would think enough time with, with the
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  Speaker 6: team that he understands what the, what the tactics demand
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  Speaker 6: from Pablo. He, so far he's been used as another
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  Speaker 6: 10 and, But in that scheme, you only need to,
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  Speaker 6: you need a left 10 and a right 10 left.
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  Speaker 3: Side is Diego's.
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  Speaker 5: He's using Gila Voguey as the right side 10. And
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  Speaker 5: that's where Lineker plays.
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  Speaker 6: I wonder, and that was, and that was goes those
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  Speaker 6: spot before he got played back into the wing back
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  Speaker 6: spot on the right side. I guess I wonder if,
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  Speaker 6: if at some point with booth being out, that spot
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  Speaker 6: usually goes to Deandra yet lane, but he's 33 and
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  Speaker 6: a different kind of player. I wonder if Lineker would
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  Speaker 6: be an option at some point to play that right
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  Speaker 6: hand wings at wing back spot and, and replace a Gozo.
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  Speaker 6: And then you would have, you know, three backs, whether
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  Speaker 6: it's Junko or Arias or Quentin or whoever you want
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  Speaker 6: to play in the back on the three back line.
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  Speaker 6: And then you have Lineker would be that, that right
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  Speaker 6: winger with any combination of Ruiz or Spearing's, or Kaliskan
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  Speaker 6: or whoever you want to play in the middle when
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  Speaker 6: an alley comes back and then Sanabria.
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  Speaker 5: Plays the left side. And then you have your structure.
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  Speaker 6: With Gilavogi Luna and, and so your salon's up top.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Switching gears.
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  Speaker 4: If you don't mind a little bit to the NFL,
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  Speaker 4: because obviously you wear that hat sometimes and NFL international.
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  Speaker 4: Now you've, you're in Miami instead of San Francisco.
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  Speaker 3: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: I just moved from, I actually drove from San Francisco
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  Speaker 6: to Miami, a grueling mind, a challenging endeavor from San
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  Speaker 6: Jose to Miami.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: I'm now based out East in Florida.
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  Speaker 3: That's a long, that is a long, long drive.
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  Speaker 4: As we marched towards those week one games and every
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  Speaker 4: T every team kind of wraps up their pre-season. Is
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  Speaker 4: there any, any squad or any storyline that has captured
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  Speaker 4: your attention in this sort of weird final week of
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  Speaker 4: not real football before we get to the good stuff?
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  Speaker 6: Speaker 4, I guess Cleveland, right? I mean, what the
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  Speaker 6: hell are they doing?
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  Speaker 3: It's the Sean Watson.
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  Speaker 6: It's the Sean Watson.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's when you have two quarterbacks, you have none.
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  Speaker 3: And I would have.
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  Speaker 6: Thought that would have gone with, with Shadur just to
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  Speaker 6: know really what they have.
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  Speaker 5: And I understand it's easier.
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  Speaker 6: To go to the older quarterback first. If he doesn't work,
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  Speaker 6: you shift back to the young guy and shift that man.
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  Speaker 6: That might be the case, but if they're talented, just,
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  Speaker 6: just not there. the worst place you can be in
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  Speaker 6: the NFL is mediocre. I mean, in between like an.
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  Speaker 5: An, a nine and eight and eight and nine.
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  Speaker 6: And eight and 10, seven and 10 team, which they
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  Speaker 6: could be. But if I would have started should urge
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  Speaker 6: to know what I have. And if we tank, we tank,
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  Speaker 6: and then you go get Manning that, but I have
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  Speaker 6: no idea what they're doing at the QB spot. It's
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  Speaker 6: a great question. And to me, that's a fascinating one.
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  Speaker 6: We'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 4: Last thing, and I know we've got to let you go,
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  Speaker 4: but that was going to be my next question. College
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  Speaker 4: football starts week zero this weekend, and then obviously we're
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  Speaker 4: off and running next week in earnest. As you're looking
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  Speaker 4: at college football through the NFL lens, which players are
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  Speaker 4: you watching for that top draft spot in the 2026-2027 cycle?
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  Speaker 6: Because I have to go, I'll give you a one-word answer.
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  Speaker 2: Manning. I'm out.
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  Speaker 3: All right. That's good enough for us. Thanks for the time.
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  Speaker 4: Carlos Mauricio Ramirez, NFL international MLS on Apple TV and
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  Speaker 4: a friend of the program who is now a drive
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  Speaker 4: from San Francisco all the way to Miami.
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  Speaker 3: Cross country for real. That's a rough one.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate him giving his thoughts on the RSL situation.
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  Speaker 4: Like I was in the building. We went and watched
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  Speaker 4: last week when RSL battled all the way back against Dallas.
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  Speaker 4: They go down early. They battled back, even it up
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  Speaker 4: at three, three. And then with like no time left
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  Speaker 4: on the clock. In fact, it was to be very
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  Speaker 4: beginning of extra time. Just allowed the most little league.
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  Speaker 4: My best player is better than your best player. He's
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  Speaker 4: just going to take it from the corner, dribble around
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  Speaker 4: the three guys and put it in the back of
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  Speaker 4: the net type goal.
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  Speaker 3: And that ended up before three loss.
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  Speaker 4: And since then it's been lost to one to Orlando,
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  Speaker 4: the aforementioned leagues cup loss to Leon. And tomorrow night
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  Speaker 4: it is Colorado and real Salt Lake at Dick's sporting
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  Speaker 4: goods park in Colorado. So after that, the next home game,
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  Speaker 4: September 5th at America first field against LAFC. Hope to
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  Speaker 4: see this squad get back on track after losing some
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  Speaker 4: momentum post-World Cup.
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  Speaker 3: Tough stuff to deal with. All right, so.
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  Speaker 4: Carlos, I wanted to pick his brain a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more about the rising talents in college football as it
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  Speaker 4: pertains to these NFL rosters because you're going to see
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  Speaker 4: that conversation happening around college football where there's the Trinidad
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  Speaker 4: Shambleses of the world, there's the Archmannings.
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  Speaker 3: Of the world, the Julian Saiyans of the world.
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  Speaker 4: These top quarterbacks in college football then become the top
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  Speaker 4: targets in NFL football.
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  Speaker 3: These NFL teams... that are going to.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of figure it out in the first four to
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  Speaker 4: six weeks, whether or not they have anything. And beyond that,
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  Speaker 4: you're potentially racing toward the bottom. As we saw in
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  Speaker 4: the NBA for so many years with Utah jazz, you're
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  Speaker 4: racing toward the bottom to try to get yourself the
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  Speaker 4: best draft position and the best draft pick. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know that we are super clear yet on who that's
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  Speaker 4: going to be. Now, Manning arch Manning's name is obviously
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  Speaker 4: rising to the top. of many, many lists because his
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  Speaker 4: last name is Manning and the low hanging fruit. And
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  Speaker 4: you've heard this question asked by every radio guy in
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  Speaker 4: the world already is if his name was arch Johnson
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  Speaker 4: or arch Jones or arch shambles, would his star be
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  Speaker 4: rising the same way? Would people be talking about him
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  Speaker 4: the same way? And the obvious answer is no, but
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  Speaker 4: because he's arch Manning and because people see the flashes
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  Speaker 4: and the glimmer of, that dynasty of quarterback play, they
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  Speaker 4: feel like it's lower risk to go in on, hey,
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  Speaker 4: Arch Manning's going to be that guy. Texas obviously felt
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  Speaker 4: like it was low risk to go in on Arch
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  Speaker 4: Manning being that guy.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's an awesome athlete. I think he's got
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  Speaker 3: a great arm.
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  Speaker 4: I think that it's completely unfair to expect him to
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  Speaker 4: be either of his uncles when they're both Super Bowl winners,
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  Speaker 4: they're both Hall of Famers. Peyton obviously is thought of
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  Speaker 4: on another tier even than Eli is, but Eli had
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  Speaker 4: an insane amount of success at both the college and
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  Speaker 4: the pro levels.
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  Speaker 3: And then you go all the way back to grandpa.
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  Speaker 4: And so you're being expected to carry this forward. We
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  Speaker 4: have some version of that at our local universities, right?
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  Speaker 3: Our local schools.
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  Speaker 4: You've got like the Ellis's now at the university of Utah,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, at Idaho before the older Ellis brothers
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  Speaker 4: were Idaho guys. university of Idaho guys that are now
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  Speaker 4: killing it in the NFL. Obviously dad Luther was a
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  Speaker 4: great player for the university of Utah before relocating to Idaho.
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  Speaker 4: And then the younger brothers ended up being part of
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  Speaker 4: this Utah football roster.
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  Speaker 2: Both.
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  Speaker 3: Well, not just both.
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  Speaker 4: I think all, I think Southern Utah, Weber state, Utah state,
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  Speaker 4: Utah and BYU have all fielded one or more Kalfusi
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  Speaker 4: at some point.
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  Speaker 3: Andrew would, I would agree. Kalfusi is everywhere. The Kalfusi is,
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  Speaker 3: and it's a big clan, right? There's a lot of offshoots.
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  Speaker 4: There's cousins, but I think every one of them has
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  Speaker 4: had a Kalfusi and most of them have had a Kalfusi.
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  Speaker 3: On the staff as well as on the field.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So we hang it, we get some version of this.
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  Speaker 4: The Glaskers are at BYU right now. You've got a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of, The Hanumans have rolled through BYU. It's a
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  Speaker 4: family affair in a lot of these Utah and BYU
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  Speaker 4: football rosters. The same is true with Utah State. But
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  Speaker 4: it's a wildly different animal when we're talking about National
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  Speaker 4: Football League royalty, when we're talking about what Arch Manning
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  Speaker 4: is dealing with and what the NFL and everyone who
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  Speaker 4: watches both college football and NFL football are doing in
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  Speaker 4: judging that player. And judging Arch Manning specifically.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a question about this.
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  Speaker 7: Because to me, just from maybe an outsider's perspective on Manning,
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  Speaker 7: it feels a little bit like Shador Sanders.
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  Speaker 3: A couple years ago.
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  Speaker 7: He's a good player, but maybe the media is more
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  Speaker 7: in love with him than the actual GMs are going
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  Speaker 7: to be. Do you think that could happen where the
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  Speaker 7: media is just all over Manning, Manning, Manning, and the
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  Speaker 7: GMs are like, Hold a minute. We'll, we'll take him
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  Speaker 7: a few rounds later.
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  Speaker 4: I actually think you bring up an interesting question and
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a decent one to ask.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's going to go the opposite way.
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  Speaker 4: I think that, so what happened with Shador and look
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  Speaker 4: at the GMs are kind of being proven, right? So far,
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  Speaker 4: what happened with Shador is he was an unbelievable playmaker
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  Speaker 4: in college football, like as unlikable as any college football
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  Speaker 4: athlete that we've ever seen. But as a playmaker, especially
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  Speaker 4: at the lower level, and then when he went to Colorado,
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  Speaker 4: with the right receivers, he didn't have the right offensive line,
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  Speaker 4: he didn't have the right run game, he didn't have
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  Speaker 4: the right defense. He had great wide receivers, and he
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  Speaker 4: had his own ability. He was wildly talented. He was
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  Speaker 4: so dang good. Painfully, obnoxiously in some situations. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that because of... the way that his public persona
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  Speaker 4: was out there, the way that his dad's public persona
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  Speaker 4: has been out there for decades, and the way that
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  Speaker 4: his brother's legal troubles and all these things, I think
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  Speaker 4: that people looked at Shador and they were just like,
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  Speaker 4: that's a mess waiting to happen for us. if you
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  Speaker 4: just take his football in a vacuum, he's not a
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  Speaker 4: first round draft pick. He's not the number one overall pick,
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  Speaker 4: but if you just take his football at a vacuum,
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  Speaker 4: you're just like, Holy cow, this kid's got something.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a crazy live arm.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the problem is when you're, your name is
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  Speaker 4: Shador Sanders and you are very publicly outwardly forward facing
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  Speaker 4: the equally cocky son of the cockiest player that's ever
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  Speaker 4: been in the NFL. you put yourself into different conversations
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  Speaker 4: from a comparison standpoint, instead of being like, Hey, this
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  Speaker 4: guy's a good second, third, fourth round draft pick. The
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  Speaker 4: NFL was just like, he thinks he's the number one
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  Speaker 4: overall draft pick. His talent says he's a third rounder,
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  Speaker 4: which for me does like a reverse multiplier and drops
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  Speaker 4: him all the way to the fifth or the sixth round,
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  Speaker 4: because I don't want to deal with the trouble. I
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  Speaker 4: think arch Manning will be treated in an opposite manner.
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  Speaker 4: I think because he has been Such a consummate professional.
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  Speaker 4: He has been probably, if we're being honest, he'd been
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  Speaker 4: like falsely humble in a lot of like, I think
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  Speaker 4: he's been trained to be outwardly humble when quarterbacks are
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  Speaker 4: not humble.
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  Speaker 3: Peyton Manning is not humble. Eli Manning is not humble.
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  Speaker 4: They are not supposed to be humble, but they have
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  Speaker 4: that all shucks kind of thing about them. And arch
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  Speaker 4: carries himself the same way. So let's say that arch
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  Speaker 4: has exactly Shador Sanders film.
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  Speaker 3: And of course he won't.
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  Speaker 4: But if he had exactly Shador Sanders film, I think
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  Speaker 4: arch gets treated better by the NFL than Shador was.
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  Speaker 4: And Shador is because optics are everything. Expectation is everything.
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  Speaker 4: And if you think as a, as an NFL GM,
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  Speaker 4: as a coach, you're inheriting a headline and a headache
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  Speaker 4: instead of a player, who's going to put his head
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  Speaker 4: down and work. Shador puts his head down and works, right? Nobody,
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  Speaker 4: even his biggest detractors, his biggest haters, nobody was out
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  Speaker 4: there saying that Shador Sanders doesn't put in the time
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  Speaker 4: to master the craft of being a quarterback. He likes
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  Speaker 4: the flashy stuff about it. He likes the watches. He
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  Speaker 4: likes the cars. He likes the interviews. He likes to
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  Speaker 4: be like the guy that people talk about arch to
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  Speaker 4: be determined. It seems like he doesn't necessarily love it
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  Speaker 4: as much, but it's the optics. It's the, and like,
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  Speaker 4: Some people will say it's racially different. Some people will
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  Speaker 4: say it's culturally different. What it is is one guy's
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  Speaker 4: dad is the Manning that didn't end up playing in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL. So they judge him by his uncles instead
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  Speaker 4: of his dad. The other guy's dad is Dion bleep
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  Speaker 4: and Sanders who has never met a camera.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't want to talk to, right?
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  Speaker 4: So these GMs come to that with a, a frame
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  Speaker 4: of reference with a, a judgment standpoint, consciously or subconsciously,
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  Speaker 4: where they're just like, oof. Shador had to be damn
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  Speaker 4: near perfect as a football player for people to want
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  Speaker 4: everything else that came with Shador.
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  Speaker 3: And he wasn't. He's a flawed football player. He's a
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  Speaker 3: flawed quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Arch Manning could be equally flawed, but he'll be given
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  Speaker 4: the benefit of the doubt instead of punished for all
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  Speaker 4: of that extracurricular stuff, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes sense.
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  Speaker 7: So the GMs had to kind of hedge their bets
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: with Shador essentially.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Because of all the risks that comes with the publicity
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  Speaker 7: with him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: They're just Shador is, and I wish I've said this
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: so many times. I actually wish that D I think
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Dion is like, like so many of us, he is
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: the dad that just has a blind spot specifically for
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: his kids.
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  Speaker 3: I think that he's the right coach and, for a
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: lot of the other.
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  Speaker 4: Guys that went and played at the university of Colorado,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of guys that, you know, he, he would
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: deliberately talk about guys who didn't have a father figure
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: at home. He wanted to be that he wanted to like,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: especially for African-American young men who came from backgrounds similar
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: to his own, he wanted to like bring those guys
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: under his wing and teach them kind of his way.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: And it might not be everyone's right way, but his
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: way made sense, right? He's a very outwardly faithful type person.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: He wanted it to be a Christian type atmosphere. He
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: wanted like God to be a big part of people's lives.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: He was forcing that or, or pressuring, pressing that onto players.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: I think for a lot of players, that was a
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: good thing. I think that Dion is, like teaching guys
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: what the NFL was going to be about while they
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: were in college was exactly what a lot of these
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: young men were looking for in their environment. And I
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: think that he had a certain level of accountability in
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: his program that a lot of guys, especially guys that
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: were going to like the Jackson states of the world
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: didn't necessarily expect, but his own sons, he did not
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: do that too. And he did not do that with,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: and we haven't talked about this a ton on the show.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Cause I think people have primetime fatigue, but he's getting
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: like summons to court and subpoenas to, to go testify
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: in court. not Shador's case, but Shiloh's case, Shiloh's legal cases,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: because his son's like his son beat somebody up at school,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: a staff member at school when he was in high
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: school and got sued and had to file bankruptcy. He's
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: got like an $ 11 million bankruptcy filing situation.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: That Dion has to be a part of.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: And he's being called to court, testify in court during
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: the football season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's not going to go great for Colorado. It's not
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: going to go great for Colorado.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: And also if you're in the NFL, if you're an
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: NFL GM, or if you're an NFL franchise, you're just like,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: You've got 52 other players that also generate headlines. You
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: can't have one. That's going over the top. What kind
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: of other stuff are we doing here?
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Because like, you know, like the, and again, like Shador
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: just doesn't do himself any favors because a lot of
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: guys don't want to talk to the media and that's
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: totally fine. They treat people respectfully when they don't want
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: to talk to the media. I don't want to paint
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: with a blanket brush here. The media day experiences we
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: had with Dion. Dion was great. Travis Hunter was great.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Shador was a pain in the ass. Was a jerk
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: to everybody. And like, again, that's anecdotal. I'm only speaking
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: from my own experience. But I also talked to a
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: lot of people who had the same experience, right? So
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: it's like, okay. You can fake it. It's very, very
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: easy to be a fake likable person. You know what
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: it's supposed to look like. He didn't do that. And
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I think it hurt him in the NFL and it's
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: still hurting him in the NFL to some extent. I
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: pulled up the Shador Sanders pro stats. I need to
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: find his college stats. Arch Manning is coming off a
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: season at Texas. Remember, this is his fourth year at
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Texas now. He's coming off a season at Texas where
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: he had three 3,163 yards, 26 touchdowns, seven interceptions. That
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: by itself is a pretty dang good season. If you
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: gave anybody those numbers who wasn't named Arch Manning, everyone
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: would be like, okay, that's a solid year for your quarterback.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: 61% is not the completion percentage I'm looking for. I
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: need that to be closer to 65, 70. We'd probably
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: look at it and be like, all right, cool. but
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: it's not good enough when it's Arch Manning. And now
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: that lens doesn't just get focused on expectations for his
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Texas career. It's also going to be a dual examination of, okay,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: what is he in next year's draft? His running ability,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: his athleticism, his arm, his processing speed, all of those
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: things come into even more hyper-focus because teams want Arch
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Manning to be near the top of the draft. They
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: want They want what we hope is true about him
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: to be true about him.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: They want a Manning.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: It's a low risk proposition for any GM, any coach.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: If you're at the top of the draft, if you're
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: in the top five and you select a quarterback named Manning,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: your fan base is going to be like, I like that.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I like that. That's a good pick. I don't know.
• 24:05
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• 24:09
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