Latest / Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo / Jan Markel: The Ground Was Prepped, ‘Demons Were Unleashed’ (Replay)
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- 0:00Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
- 0:10defending biblical Christianity.
- 0:13No topic off limits.
- 0:16And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
- 0:19Hey, friends, you are in for a special treat today.
- 0:23I'm going to just skip all the beginning of what I usually go through here.
- 0:27We'll get to that at the end of the show today, but I just want to bring in today's guest,
- 0:30Jan Markelle of Olive Tree Ministries.
- 0:34We've talked a lot in the past on a lot of different platforms and on radio, but it's
- 0:37so good to have her on World View Matters.
- 0:40Jan, welcome to the program.
- 0:41Hi.
- 0:42David, thank you for having me.
- 0:44It's an honor.
- 0:45Oh, it's an honor for me to be able to speak with you.
- 0:48And you've been such an incredible blessing, not only to me personally, but to people, evangelical
- 0:54Christians who are encouraged to study the Bible, even the Old Testament and Bible prophecy.
- 1:01And you've been such a blessing through the years where that goes.
- 1:05So there are two things I wanted to talk about today.
- 1:08One of them is one of your articles recently on Harbinger's Daily to Top Bible Prophecy
- 1:14Stories in 2023.
- 1:16And I know you could list, I think you said you could list 110, but they've got a top
- 1:2110 here.
- 1:22And an older article from earlier this year after what happened in Israel and appealed
- 1:29to pastors on just don't keep silent on Israel.
- 1:34So maybe let's start there, Jan.
- 1:36Let's go back to October 7.
- 1:38We were talking a little bit before we got on the air about demons being unleashed.
- 1:43I believe those are your words.
- 1:45And I would concur basically not only what happened, but how they carried it out.
- 1:51You've never seen anything like it in our lifetime.
- 1:56So your thoughts on that first?
- 1:58Well, I mean, it almost surpasses the Holocaust, not in numbers and all of that, but, you
- 2:05know, I mean, the Nazis tried to bury what they were doing.
- 2:10And this bunch of radical Nazis, so to speak, we're proud of it.
- 2:16We're broadcasting it everywhere they possibly could.
- 2:20And I've talked with my guests privately and on air several times.
- 2:24And something was unleashed on October the 7th, 2023, and it seems like a horde of demons
- 2:33were let loose, which is not a pleasant thing to sit and talk about, to be honest.
- 2:37But I think we need to try to think about why that might have happened.
- 2:42In my short answer to my own question, it would probably be the Jews are the key to the
- 2:48end times to God's end time plan, the nation of Israel, the Jewish people.
- 2:53The devil has tried to not just derail them for millennia, but obliterate them for millennia.
- 3:02Hey, man, the Pharaoh, King's generals, furors, he'd go on and on, have tried to obliterate
- 3:10this people.
- 3:11The devil has had a campaign.
- 3:13And I believe he thinks kind of an insane plan.
- 3:17He thinks he can derail God's end time plan, which sends him to a terrible pit and has someone
- 3:23said he doesn't like his retirement plan, and so he's trying to change God's plan for
- 3:28the end of the age.
- 3:29And he won't succeed, but he keeps trying and trying and trying and trying.
- 3:34So that's just a short answer to your question.
- 3:38Yeah, and there's nothing new under the sun.
- 3:40I mean, Satan has come against God from the beginning, from the initial rebellion in
- 3:45heaven where a third of the angels, you know, really, they, they rebelled.
- 3:51But even King Herod, remember trying to stop the messianic line so that the Jews, you know,
- 3:57didn't he, he murdered babies two years old and under and talk about demonic evil, even
- 4:04in that day, trying to prevent the birth of the Messiah, right?
- 4:08Yeah.
- 4:09Well, I mean, they're called the chosen people and, you know, I mean, they're chosen to
- 4:14play a major role in God's plan from the beginning of time to the end of time.
- 4:22And it's a terrible thing to be a people chosen by God.
- 4:26It really is because you can be assured the world is going to heat you if God has chosen
- 4:32you and has a specific assignment for you.
- 4:36Therefore, the devil is going to do everything you can to obliterate that plan.
- 4:41And that's what's been going on for millennia.
- 4:44It's just that now we're kind of kind of heading to the end of the church age.
- 4:51And what's different about our generation, David, as you well know, is this is the generation
- 4:57of mass communication, of cable news, of social media, of internet activity.
- 5:05And with a click of a mouse, we can now be a prize of anything going on all over the
- 5:11world, which is both a blessing and a curse.
- 5:14So news like this travels literally in the click of a mouse.
- 5:18What if what if Adolf Hitler had had technology?
- 5:22Now they had the early early stages of technology in the 30s and 40s, nothing like we have today.
- 5:29But imagine the carnage that could have happened with six million people, possibly multiplying
- 5:34that six million, even more than that.
- 5:38But we are the technology generation.
- 5:41And therefore, now you and I have to sit and watch some pretty glory pictures coming
- 5:45out of out of Israel and it's heartbreaking.
- 5:49I got to just say to you, and I'll say to your audience, the last couple of months has
- 5:54been heart-wrenching for me and for lots of people.
- 5:58It's been heart-wrenching to see those innocent people who were, to be honest, those Jewish
- 6:05people in southern Lebanon, excuse me, in southern Israel, were by and large liberal,
- 6:14persuasive, politically liberal.
- 6:18They felt that they were in southern Israel to befriend the gossens, to bring them into
- 6:25Israel for medical purposes and to be of any kind of a help they could be.
- 6:30Again, with the rather serious flawed thinking that you can appease a people like that and
- 6:38be friends with them.
- 6:39And now we know you can't and I hope that's a good lesson to the whole world.
- 6:45Were you surprised at the apparent failures of the IDF and the technology that should
- 6:53have warned Israel that something like this was in the works were you surprised?
- 6:59We were all surprised and disappointed, but I will not go as far as the conspiracy theorists
- 7:05are going these days.
- 7:07And some names you and I might even know that is very disappointing, suggesting that
- 7:13Netanyahu and his intelligence agencies looked the other way so that this could happen
- 7:20and whatever the purpose of that is, I have no idea.
- 7:23Some respectable people are saying things like that.
- 7:26Again, I could name names, I'm not going to, but I now have encouraged my audience to
- 7:31stop listening to these people because as Amir Safati and I both say, Amir being an
- 7:37Israeli citizen, of course, living over there, that's lunacy.
- 7:41It really is now.
- 7:42Was there reclessness?
- 7:43Yeah, there was reclessness, carelessness, yes indeed.
- 7:46As a matter of fact, the Israelis had stopped listening to the chatter among the gossens
- 7:53a year before this happened.
- 7:55And again, I think they were not comprehending that something like this could, what were
- 8:02the comments after 9-11, our 9-11, we lacked the imagination to even conceive of the idea.
- 8:09And I think the Israelis did too, the guard was down.
- 8:13They were not on top of this and the enemy took advantage of that, a number of enemy sources
- 8:21came together and were, if I dare say it, we're rather cunning in their plans and preparation.
- 8:29And Israel caught off guard.
- 8:30It was certainly the catastrophe of the 21st century for the Jewish people, yeah.
- 8:37Before we get into some of the top Bible prophecy stories of 2023 on the list that Harbinger's
- 8:43Daily put out that you wrote, I shouldn't say are you surprised.
- 8:49To bring it over to our country now, and I was very disappointed at the level of not
- 8:56only ignorance, but support for the Palestinians and Hamas in our own universities.
- 9:04And that shouldn't surprise us if those of us know what the K through 12 in the university
- 9:07system has been putting out there.
- 9:09But what are your thoughts on some of these marches and some of our own colleges and universities
- 9:15in America when it comes to the anti-Semitism?
- 9:18Well, it's been a wake up call.
- 9:20I mean, again, hatred of the Jews goes back a long way.
- 9:23It's very, very deep and it seems obviously it's been brewing.
- 9:28And I think we're all taken off guard by this David who can, who who's normal, what normal
- 9:36person is thinking that something like this is going to explode heavily on our college campuses.
- 9:41Brandon, it's a cesspool of liberalism.
- 9:43We all know that and probably even communism, but lints the Jews, a people that has been
- 9:50a blessing to the whole world, the Jews have been, I mean, everything they do, they're
- 9:55a blessing to society, you know, culturally and even in academia where these young people
- 10:01are participating.
- 10:03So again, David, I think it goes back to that spirit that was unleashed on October 7th.
- 10:09And obviously the spirit was very much alive and well before that.
- 10:13But this kicked it off and this sort of set of fuses and it was suddenly ignited.
- 10:20And naturally, these young people are naive, they think that they have the best insight
- 10:26in the whole wide world.
- 10:29And some of their professors are encouraging this because their professors are generally
- 10:35socialist and communist.
- 10:37So it was a perfect storm, what happened in October, an absolute perfect storm, which then
- 10:43ignited a perfect storm, whoever would have thought across the globe, that's shocking.
- 10:52Yes.
- 10:53And before we get to the article, one more question on anti-Semitism on the university level,
- 10:58there are some, unfortunately, Jewish students who are concerned.
- 11:03You might want to say fearful to even go to class because of what's going on on their
- 11:07own campuses.
- 11:08And I want to bring up this point that came out recently that although Jewish Americans
- 11:13make up less than 3% of the U.S. population, the FBI reports that they are targets of 60%
- 11:22of the hate crimes.
- 11:24I've never heard that on the media, Jan, your thoughts on that.
- 11:28Well, I guess I haven't heard that either, but I mean, it's a whole new day, David.
- 11:33Yes.
- 11:34Yes.
- 11:35You know, we're in a run-up, we're in, we're trending towards the tribulation, the biblical
- 11:41tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble, and the Bible says that that's going to be
- 11:47a time of Jewish persecution, like never known before, never known before.
- 11:53And so this is setting the stage for that, and I think the biggest thing this is doing
- 11:59is creating in the heart of the Israeli, longing for peace, peace, peace at any price,
- 12:05please peace and security, peace and security, bring us peace and safety.
- 12:10Well, somebody's going to offer that.
- 12:12Yeah.
- 12:13I believe soon.
- 12:14I believe very soon.
- 12:15The church will be gone.
- 12:16Believers will be gone.
- 12:17Oh, man, with the plan, Mr. Fixett will come on the scene and he'll offer the Jews,
- 12:21a peace plan.
- 12:23You think they're going to turn that down?
- 12:24I mean, right now, that would be a dream come true that somebody would promise them
- 12:31peace that could be guaranteed.
- 12:33Problem is, he'll come with kind of a conniving, scheming plan, and he'll be their friend for
- 12:39three and a half years, and then he'll double across them.
- 12:43And that's, again, in the heart of the tribulation from which we are absent.
- 12:48Jen Mark Hill's our guest today, all of three ministries, when you talked about peace
- 12:52and security at any cost, I couldn't help but think of, of course, first Thessalonians
- 12:575-3 when it says, for when they say peace and safety, then sudden destruction come
- 13:04with upon them as travail upon a woman with child and they shall not escape.
- 13:11That's what happens.
- 13:12I mean, a very mild form of that happened during COVID when we were saying, I will do anything
- 13:16to comply, as long as, you know, we can be kept safe.
- 13:19That was a wrong move.
- 13:20But, Jen, we've got to take a very quick break.
- 13:22We'll be right back on World View Matters.
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- 13:42So Jen Mark Hill on your list of top Bible prophecy stories in 2023, number one, the world
- 13:50decided that Israel became the international burdensome stone.
- 13:56And that's from Zechariah 12.3.
- 13:58And you say, whoever expected this new melody that Israel derangement syndrome in their lifetime.
- 14:08I think that's a good question, Jen.
- 14:10I don't know how many people saw this kind of delusion coming.
- 14:14Your thoughts on that?
- 14:15Well, again, Israel derangement syndrome, that's just a term I've given it because it's
- 14:20again, it's global.
- 14:22This was under the surface.
- 14:25It's probably been under the surface, who knows, clearly for millennia, but the modern
- 14:31the modern playing out of it, certainly in the last couple of decades.
- 14:36And so it just took something to bring it to the surface.
- 14:39And many of us are continuing to be in a sense in shock, but at the same time, knowing the
- 14:47key role the Jewish people play in the last days and particularly in the tribulation, nothing
- 14:53should surprise us, nothing, nothing should surprise us.
- 14:58We're not going back to normal, David.
- 15:00I know a lot of people think we are, a lot of people think we're going to turn things
- 15:04around.
- 15:05We're going to go back to normal.
- 15:06We're going to have peace and security and prosperity and the next election will fix
- 15:12everything.
- 15:13I personally don't think so.
- 15:14I really don't.
- 15:16No, on top of that, a lot of people have different definitions of what normal is.
- 15:21Yes, sure.
- 15:22Sure.
- 15:23Yeah.
- 15:24Let's jump to another one.
- 15:25You say, for a segment of society, love has grown cold.
- 15:30And this is dangerous when people become apathetic and their love has grown cold.
- 15:36Jan, your thoughts on that one?
- 15:38Well, how do you describe much of the world, not just the free world, much of the whole
- 15:45world, suddenly being pro-Kamas, pro-barbarian, pro- a society that is not civilized.
- 15:55And yet, you've got millions of people demonstrating on behalf of barbarians on behalf of terrorists,
- 16:03on behalf of the most brutal thugs I think we've ever known to exist and people are demonstrating
- 16:09that against them.
- 16:11For them, they're sharing them.
- 16:14What am I missing here?
- 16:15What part of society suddenly went haywire when we weren't watching and they were out there
- 16:20planning all of this and called all us all off the guards, so to speak, with a barbarian.
- 16:28I think to say, but even the Nazis, I said it earlier, the Nazis were not this diabolical,
- 16:32they were terrible, but they were not quite this diabolical.
- 16:35So again, it's the perilous times of the last days, a second, a second Timothy three.
- 16:42And I say love has, as having grown cold when a big segment of society across the world
- 16:49are cheering for terrorists.
- 16:52Oh, yeah, that's something that most of us have a hard time imagining.
- 16:59But another thing in that second Timothy three, and this is a warning for the church,
- 17:03people will be lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.
- 17:07And as you mentioned, people with all that's going on, some people's love has grown cold.
- 17:13Jan, another one on your list is the church slipping further into apostasy, surprise, surprise.
- 17:18We've been warning about that, talking about that for decades and decades.
- 17:22But one of the things you mentioned in that is the silence of the shepherds.
- 17:27Please elaborate.
- 17:30I think one of the most troubling elements of the last couple of months have been the
- 17:36number of people that have written here or called and all of three ministries and their
- 17:44heart broken because the first three, four, five weeks, their church said absolutely
- 17:51nothing about the Middle East and praying for the terrible situation over there, praying
- 17:57for the hostages, praying for all the people of Israel, even praying for the people of
- 18:05Gaza by goodness, they're in a horrendous situation though.
- 18:09If you pull them, most of them were in favor of what Hamas did.
- 18:15So I mean, I just say all of that to indicate that we're in the most stunning times that
- 18:22I can, in my lifetime, I have never seen a lineup of things as we're closing out 2023.
- 18:28I've never seen a lineup of things that are so stunning.
- 18:31That's what I have seen.
- 18:32I would say in the last two to three months and where we're going in the new year.
- 18:39I almost tremble, I almost tremble to think about it, but at the same time, if we could
- 18:44look upon these things as a harbinger of his return, then I think we have a better perspective
- 18:50that the Lord is trying to wake us up.
- 18:53He's trying to shake us up so that we'll wake up and all of us look up because he is coming
- 18:58again very, very soon.
- 19:00Amen.
- 19:01And as Zechariah 14 force says on that day, his feet will stand on the amount of olives,
- 19:07which is in front of Jerusalem on the east and the amount of olives will be split.
- 19:12And then that goes on.
- 19:13But Jan, I want to pick up on something from a previous article you wrote.
- 19:16You mentioned the emails you get and calls people that are discouraged with their pastors
- 19:21or whether it's their teaching or their lack of Bible prophecy, but one of the articles
- 19:27and appealed to pastors, don't keep silent on Israel.
- 19:31Someone wrote to you and said, I was very dismayed that the church we attended did not even
- 19:35make mention of what was going on in Israel.
- 19:39And nor did the topic arise on not only Sunday morning, but Wednesday night, but there
- 19:44were several mentions of a pro baseball game or other things.
- 19:48And Jan, is it because some pastors look at this as a political issue or I don't understand
- 19:56their silence?
- 19:57Can you give us some insight on that?
- 19:59Because a lot of people are wondering.
- 20:00Yeah, and I've covered it pretty extensively as much as I can.
- 20:04So some of the things I say will be a little bit repetitious, but I think it's important.
- 20:08And I think the reasons would be number one theological.
- 20:12I think that those of us who, those out there who don't share our theology, David,
- 20:19they would be replacement theology, the church is Israel.
- 20:23They would be, and I don't want to get into starting to name denominations,
- 20:29because that's not productive, but there's a theology thread out there that minimizes Israel
- 20:35because they don't feel that Israel plays a very important end time role.
- 20:40To them, the church is Israel and a national Israel is just kind of an inconvenience over there.
- 20:47But I think then the second reason would be that the churches don't want to get involved
- 20:52in what they might call a political issue, which they could see the Middle East crisis
- 20:57as a political issue.
- 20:59I think if we could sum it up by my third point here, many churches don't want to take a stand.
- 21:06They just don't want to take abortion, gay marriage, the trans issues.
- 21:11They don't want to get involved and take a stand and so many of these issues.
- 21:16And the people in the pews remain clueless because their shepherds are keeping silent
- 21:22about some of the most crucial issues of our day to day.
- 21:26So again, that was my appeal.
- 21:28And I've asked my radio guests, I've asked Mark Hitchcock, I've asked a number of my radio guests.
- 21:35Could this be the next big church divider?
- 21:39And that would be the whole issue of Middle East Israel, God's end time plan with Israel
- 21:46and the church for them.
- 21:47And my guests say absolutely this is the next big...
- 21:52Look, we've watched the cultural issues, but we've got theological issues too.
- 21:57And the theology here troubles a lot of people that there's any special calling for Israel
- 22:02when a huge segment of the church believes that that was canceled because of their unbelief.
- 22:08So big assignment for us to wake people up and then doing those who are in these churches
- 22:14to probably leave.
- 22:16And to get people informed on the appropriate, the accurate, biblical worldview.
- 22:21In the next one that I wanted to ask you about, Jan, briefly, because we're running out of time already.
- 22:25I love this quote.
- 22:27You say facts are irrelevant due to the delusion of our day.
- 22:32And I'm holding another article in my hand that says, this was a couple of weeks ago,
- 22:36Kamala Harris announces,
- 22:38national strategy to combat Islamophobia, not anti-Semitism, Islamophobia.
- 22:45So you mentioned the White House expressing deep concern about Islamophobia.
- 22:51This is strong delusion, right?
- 22:54Strong delusion.
- 22:55And throw in there, we're giving hundreds of thousands to US mosques.
- 22:59Throw in there the delusion that a two-state solution is the total perfect solution
- 23:05to the dilemma over all of this is strong delusion, which second Thessalonians talks about.
- 23:11And we're drowning in strong delusion today, just drowning.
- 23:16One more thing, Jan, and there's some good news in this one.
- 23:19And number six on your list, the Jews are coming home in greater numbers and more open to the Gospel.
- 23:27I spoke with someone just earlier this morning that said,
- 23:31there are Christians whose houses were destroyed.
- 23:34Christians, there are some there in Gaza and they're now in a shelter and they're sharing the Gospel with people there.
- 23:42So talk about Jews coming home in greater numbers.
- 23:45You say there's been a 149% increase in interest to return to Israel.
- 23:51Tell us about that.
- 23:52Well, that would be from France and then from America, it's 80 to 90% increase in Jews returning to Israel.
- 23:59In spite of the fact that if you're on a Kibbutz somewhere, you can be headed and the Jews are counting the costs and saying,
- 24:08well, that may happen, but we are safer there than we are here in the West where they're literally marching with one demonstration after another for our demise.
- 24:20We need to return to Israel.
- 24:22And this is fulfilling Bible prophecy because they need to go back to the land, not all of them.
- 24:27They want all, but many of them are going to be back in the land for God's end time purposes to transpire over there.
- 24:34The Battle of Gog and May Gog.
- 24:36I say a 17 obliteration of Damascus, all of that is be helpful if the Jews were back in the land more so than they are now.
- 24:43And that's in God uses good out of evil and chaos.
- 24:47And from the day this happened, they said, God will use this for good somehow.
- 24:51He is.
- 24:52And he's been good to his word on that all throughout biblical history, world history, Old Testament.
- 24:57He brings good out of evil.
- 25:00We trust him for the outcome of whatever is going to happen in the Middle East.
- 25:04And of course, the return of our Messiah.
- 25:06It wasn't a mere sarfati that said at one point, because you mentioned Isaiah 17.
- 25:11I think he said a lot of people are watching Jerusalem. I'm watching Damascus.
- 25:15Yeah.
- 25:16And Damascus parts of it are bombed constantly by by IDF for various military reasons.
- 25:23Obviously, it's not any kind of obliteration.
- 25:25But yeah, he believes Isaiah 17 obliteration Damascus will precede Gog and May Gog.
- 25:31And he believes as do many of us that this is on the horizon.
- 25:35Question is where are believers at that time? Is that at the rapture before the rapture after the rapture?
- 25:41We don't know.
- 25:42Interesting to speculate on.
- 25:44I think the point being is we're going to count down your listeners.
- 25:47If you do not do not know the Lord Jesus Christ personally, don't delay.
- 25:52Everything is on overdrive, speeding up, speeding up.
- 25:55You don't want to be left behind.
- 25:57Yes. Amen.
- 25:58Come to the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.
- 26:01Whoever believes in him will be saved.
- 26:04Jan Markel, all of tree views, understanding the times radio.
- 26:07It's such a blessing to see you and connect with you.
- 26:10Thank you.
- 26:11Get your perspective on these things.
- 26:12God continue to bless you.
- 26:13Have a Merry Christmas, Jan.
- 26:14Thank you, David.
- 26:15And you.
- 26:16All right.
- 26:17Bye-bye.
- 26:18All right.
- 26:19Tomorrow, friends, Todd Nettleton, voice of the martyrs.
- 26:20He'll be on the show.
- 26:21We've got Saco Woods on Wednesday, JB Hickson on Thursday.
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- 27:06I'll be talking about assault on the image of God, my brand new book, and really how we can understand what's going on.
- 27:14But not only that, not be overwhelmed, not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good, and know how to respond to all these things that are happening.
- 27:24The attacks on Christians, the church, Israel, and of course on the biblical worldview.
- 27:29And thanks again.
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- 27:33God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.