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#1699 Fibber-Dibber - David Gillespie · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I get our team, Craig Anthey up, it's a you
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Speaker 1: project at Scilespo. It's Cook, who's very excited because one
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Speaker 1: of Melbourne's most excited Bogans has just brought herself what's
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Speaker 1: called a new exhaust system for her motorbike because she
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Speaker 1: thinks her motorbike is not loud enough. So she's just
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Speaker 1: gone from a three star Bogan to a five star
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Speaker 1: Bogan and now the cops are we chasing her with
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Speaker 1: her new illegal muffler.
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Speaker 2: Congratulations, thanks Harpause, I'm so excited.
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Speaker 1: What precipitated you spending all of that money to literally
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Speaker 1: just make your motorbike more obvious to the cops.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't do anything illegal in the bike, so
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Speaker 2: that doesn't bother me. But once you recognize that you
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Speaker 2: feel like you're scooting around the street on a sewing machine.
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Speaker 2: That awareness never fades and it was going to bother
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Speaker 2: me for the rest of eternity.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's only because you've got a friend. And I
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Speaker 1: say friend, then inverted commas. Everyone wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
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Speaker 1: Special friend who rides a what's he ride in India?
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Speaker 1: And he rides and he's got a loud exhaust. Has
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Speaker 1: he so you had exhaust envy?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's got a louder exhaust to me, and don't you.
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Speaker 1: Start I've got no idea.
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Speaker 2: What was alad once? And I heard you start your bike?
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Speaker 1: I'm all very street legal giles both. Have you ever
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Speaker 1: ridden a motorbike either? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I didn't think so, no desire whatsoever to ride a motorbike.
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Speaker 3: And I think the way you made them louder was
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Speaker 3: to go out with a screwdriver and punch holes in
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Speaker 3: the muffler.
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Speaker 1: Well that until until the seventies, that was the that
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Speaker 1: was the practice. But we've kicked on a little bit
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Speaker 1: since when you were And.
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Speaker 3: Then you get to fend a grand and put an
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Speaker 3: attachment on in steadae.
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Speaker 1: Well that's a cheap that's a cheap one too, That's
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Speaker 1: all right. That is very cheap because she bought it
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Speaker 1: off gum Tree whatever that is. I feel like I
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Speaker 1: have no idea. But is gum tree dodgy or is
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Speaker 1: that legitive?
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Speaker 2: Now it's legit. It's just a secondhand platform. It's just
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Speaker 2: a platform where you can sell things a marketplace. But
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Speaker 2: there's plenty of dodgy people on there.
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Speaker 1: Of course, there are David James Kevin, Patrick Gillespie. It's
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Speaker 1: five point thirty seven as we record in Melbourne on
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Speaker 1: the sixth of November. It's quite an historic not atif,
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Speaker 1: and it's quite an historic day in the world because
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Speaker 1: they are stumbling towards the finish line, or striding brilliantly
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Speaker 1: towards the finish line of the American election. Any thoughts,
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Speaker 1: any predictions? Do you give a shit? Do you pay attention?
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Speaker 1: You are a lawyer, I would think that you do
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Speaker 1: have a fleeting interest.
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Speaker 3: Oh, no, I have a lot of interest in it.
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Speaker 3: I think America is about to make a very very
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Speaker 3: bad decision. I think they're probably going to elect Trump
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Speaker 3: at this stage, that's what the numbers look like. And
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Speaker 3: I think that's very very bad for America and then
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Speaker 3: as a consequence, bad for the rest of us eventually.
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Speaker 1: Well, we could do a whole episode on that, just
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Speaker 1: yes or no, sociopath or yes or no?
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Speaker 3: Oh definitely. Oh, but then again, that's that's that's not
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Speaker 3: a hard question when you're talking about politicians. I mean,
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Speaker 3: your ninety nine percent answer is yes, definitely. It's you know,
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Speaker 3: now convinced me I'm wrong. Really start from the proposition
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Speaker 3: that you're talking about a psychopath when you're talking about
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Speaker 3: a politician, and then find evidence that perhaps they're not.
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Speaker 1: Well this time tomorrow, I think, well, know, so let's
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Speaker 1: let's not have any political debates. But that's not what
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Speaker 1: we do here. I've consciously avoided doing.
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Speaker 3: We have never not once talked about politics. And this
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Speaker 3: is and my opinion is not really about politics. I'm
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Speaker 3: not a Republican or Democrat. I'm just looking at the
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Speaker 3: things he says he's going to do and the likelihood
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Speaker 3: that he will do it, and how that's going to
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Speaker 3: be some pretty bad outcomes for the world.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, time will tell, and I just hope
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Speaker 1: there's I hope there's not a civil war. I hope there's.
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Speaker 3: I think it's less likely if he wins, because the
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Speaker 3: people who would lose are a likely to accept the result,
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Speaker 3: and because they believe in democracy and be aren't the
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Speaker 3: armed crazy people or have less of them.
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Speaker 1: Wow wow, all right, So if you don't know everyone,
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Speaker 1: we've got a page for the podcast, which is brilliantly
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Speaker 1: named the You Project Podcast Facebook page. TIF and I
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Speaker 1: worked on that tirelessly. We had a team of branding
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Speaker 1: and marketing people. We paid thousands. It took about three weeks,
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Speaker 1: but we finally came up with a you Project podcast
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Speaker 1: as the name of the page.
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Speaker 3: So I want to know about I'm going to interrupt
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Speaker 3: you here because it brings to mind a story back
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Speaker 3: in the tech days when I was in the tech
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Speaker 3: industry and I was heavily involved in a partnership with
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Speaker 3: Intel with a startup that I did in the United States,
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Speaker 3: and we were working with them closely on our chip
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Speaker 3: that they were about to bring out, which ultimately was
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Speaker 3: released as the fifth version of the Pentium chip that
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Speaker 3: they released, And they had a huge marketing team with
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Speaker 3: a massive marketing budget aimed at trying to figure out
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Speaker 3: what to call this thing. And then after about or
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Speaker 3: six weeks of deliberations and user surveys and focused teams
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Speaker 3: and all that sort of crap, they came up with
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Speaker 3: Pentium five, which was the successor to Penum four. Wow,
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Speaker 3: that was worth the money?
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Speaker 1: Did wow? Did you? You would have recoiled with bloody
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Speaker 1: amazement and admiration for the time.
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Speaker 3: We were all in shock. We were in shock. We
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Speaker 3: would never have predicted that that would be where they
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Speaker 3: would have gone, because they'd gone from Pentium three to
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Speaker 3: Pentium four, So it was you know, they could have
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Speaker 3: gone anywhere with.
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Speaker 1: Who would have seen that? That's probably one of the
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Speaker 1: great creative master strokes of all time. And and was
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Speaker 1: there a subsequent Pentiem six?
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, no doubt. After
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Speaker 3: much deliberation.
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Speaker 1: Now before gillespo bloody rudely interrupted me, everyone I was saying,
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Speaker 1: we got this page. Anyway, on this page you are
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Speaker 1: more than welcome to there's no hooks catches genders, but
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Speaker 1: become a member of the Just jump on and click.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how the fuck you do it. Actually
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Speaker 1: I've never done it. You just click something tips I
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Speaker 1: don't know. Speaking of branding and marketing, and I'm shit
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Speaker 1: at selling my own stuff, but it costs nothing but
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Speaker 1: a bunch of people get in there and talk about
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Speaker 1: the podcast and or perhaps who they want to have
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Speaker 1: on coming up, or suggestions or ideas for topics that
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Speaker 1: we might explore, and also of like a young mister
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Speaker 1: Gillespie is sharing. And I don't like complimenting him because
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Speaker 1: you know he doesn't need it, but he does write
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Speaker 1: brilliant fucking articles, and so most of his articles are
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Speaker 1: going up or the ones that he sees fits put
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Speaker 1: up on our page. So not only can you listen
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Speaker 1: to him once fortnite, you can read his stuff. And so,
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Speaker 1: speaking of that, let's start with I didn't talk to
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Speaker 1: you about this one before we went live, but the
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Speaker 1: trust apocalypse. Why honesty is our only hope and the
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Speaker 1: kind of the hook your preface was is trust becoming
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Speaker 1: a luxury we can no longer afford feeling a little
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Speaker 1: dystopian lately, supermarket of a charging you politicians lying to
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Speaker 1: face kindently being spider on. You're not alone. My latest
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Speaker 1: article is about the alarming erosion of trust in our
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Speaker 1: society and the serious consequence it brings. And there's more
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Speaker 1: but that will kick you off. Open that door if
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Speaker 1: you would, Giles Bow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's one of the fundamental things that we've
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Speaker 3: talked a little bit about this before. But we're an
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Speaker 3: unlikely apex predator because we really have nothing to recommend
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Speaker 3: ourselves as winners of the evolutionary fight. You know, we're
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Speaker 3: sort of meet on feet really, you know, no fangs,
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Speaker 3: no venom, no armor, no nothing. So and yet we
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Speaker 3: own this place. So what's our evolutionary advantage? It isn't
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Speaker 3: our good looks It isn't how loud our motorbikes are.
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Speaker 3: It's oh maybe it's it's it's that we work together
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Speaker 3: well with rangers. We're the only species on the planet
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Speaker 3: that can cooperate with strangers in that. No other species
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Speaker 3: does this. Now, there's other species that work well in
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Speaker 3: family groups, you know, elephants, for example, chimpanzees, things like that.
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Speaker 3: They'll work together in large family groups of you know, uncle's, nieces, nephews, etc.
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Speaker 3: But they don't work with strangers. They don't get together
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Speaker 3: with strangers and arrange themselves in large groups of hundreds
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Speaker 3: or thousands or in humans case, millions of strangers who
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Speaker 3: are all cooperating towards a goal. Now we're the only
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Speaker 3: ones who do that. And people might say, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 3: but what about ants. Well, ants are essentially one organism
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Speaker 3: with lots of moving parts. They're not individuals working together
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Speaker 3: there and organism. So but with humans, we're separate organisms
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Speaker 3: cooperating with each other at really large scale, which means
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Speaker 3: that when we're going to take down the wooly mammoth
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Speaker 3: or the saber tooth tiger, we've got twenty mates will
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Speaker 3: help us, and we can cooperate in real time and
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Speaker 3: trust that none of them will stab us in the back.
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Speaker 3: And that last bit is the important bit. What allows
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Speaker 3: us to work well with strangers is that we trust strangers.
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Speaker 3: Our number one first go to when we think about
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Speaker 3: whether or not we're going to work with someone is
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Speaker 3: we default to trust. We assume you are not going
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Speaker 3: to double cross us. Now, sometimes we're wrong. If we're
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Speaker 3: dealing with a psychopath, we will probably be wrong because
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Speaker 3: they will see that we trust them and exploit it
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Speaker 3: against us. But for the vast majority of us, the
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Speaker 3: other ninety five percent of the community, we trust each
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Speaker 3: other on default, and that trust is what allows us
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Speaker 3: to work together. It allows you to sit in a
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Speaker 3: room with people sitting behind you and have you not
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Speaker 3: be anxious about the fact that one of them might
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Speaker 3: stab you in the back. It allows you to focus
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Speaker 3: your energy on building an outcome that is greater than
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Speaker 3: the sum of the parts, because as a community of
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Speaker 3: one hundred people working together, you can always do more
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Speaker 3: than an individual can do just because you don't have
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Speaker 3: enough time, even if people went out to get you
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Speaker 3: so talking about your page before you've got what three
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Speaker 3: and a half thousand people on that page. As a
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Speaker 3: community of three and a half thousand people. They can
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Speaker 3: work to solve problems and share information because they all
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Speaker 3: trust each other, and that's what gives it the power.
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Speaker 3: They can do much more there than you can do
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Speaker 3: on your own. And so the piece is about the
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Speaker 3: fact that that's eroding now in modern society, is that
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Speaker 3: we're increasingly ending up in a position where it's every
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Speaker 3: man for himself, so the community assets draining away. We're
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Speaker 3: not able to trust that the community will look after us,
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Speaker 3: We're not able to to believe that those in power
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Speaker 3: have our best interests in mind. And people often say, well, well, yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's the reality. I understand that. That's why you've got
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Speaker 3: no one volunteering to do touch shop anymore. It's why
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Speaker 3: non volunteers for anything, because it's every man for himself.
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Speaker 3: When it's every man for himself, most people lose. And
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Speaker 3: a society that operates on every man for himself will
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Speaker 3: always lose against a society that doesn't, because the society
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Speaker 3: that doesn't has the power of the community working together.
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Speaker 3: And the only way to bring that back into a
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Speaker 3: society is with honesty. Demand honesty and transparency from those
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Speaker 3: in power, punish them when they're not, and you will
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Speaker 3: have people behave in the best interests of the community,
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Speaker 3: whether they're psychopaths or not, because the only way to
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Speaker 3: get ahead is to have the community to support you,
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Speaker 3: and the only way to have that happen is be
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Speaker 3: honest with them so that they believe you. Older listeners
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Speaker 3: in your audience may well remember a time when politicians
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Speaker 3: were punished for lying. Where a politician lied to the population,
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Speaker 3: no matter how little it was about, no matter what
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Speaker 3: it was about, they'd be unlikely to ever win an
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Speaker 3: election again, and they'd probably have to leave office as
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Speaker 3: soon as it was discovered. Now that doesn't happen. Now
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Speaker 3: politicians lie continuously to us and are still in the job.
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Speaker 3: And that's because we let them do it. It's not
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Speaker 3: like we're falling for it. We know they're lying to us,
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Speaker 3: but we let them do it.
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Speaker 1: It's yeah, I was thinking, we'll come back to the politics,
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Speaker 1: but in terms of like trust, and this is a
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Speaker 1: funny thing, but it relates. I've thought many times because
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Speaker 1: I've been riding motorbikes since I was eighteen. On the road, right,
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Speaker 1: and you trust when you're on a just to say,
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Speaker 1: a single lane road, So one lane each way, like
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Speaker 1: I'm riding one way, a truck or even a is
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Speaker 1: the other way. They just need to deviate a little bit,
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Speaker 1: and I'm dead and they've got a dent, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like you're trusting that everyone is
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Speaker 1: going to do what they are meant to do legally
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Speaker 1: on the road, because when you're a motorcyclist, of course
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Speaker 1: you're very, very vulnerable, and you are relying on other
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Speaker 1: people's I guess, not honesty, but other people's intention to
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Speaker 1: not hurt you and to abide by the law and
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Speaker 1: do what's required. And I even think that sometimes because
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Speaker 1: I live on a busy main road and every time
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Speaker 1: I want to go and get a coffee, I've got
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Speaker 1: across that busy road. And sometimes when a car's going
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Speaker 1: by me, it's like the difference between being fully alive
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Speaker 1: and fully dead is about two feet. Yes, you know
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Speaker 1: this car go you know if yeah, if that one
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Speaker 1: foot It's like there's a car going pass me at
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Speaker 1: sixty k's if that car hit me full on, I'd
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Speaker 1: probably be dead. If not, you know, next to dead.
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Speaker 1: And that's like whizzing by me, like all they've got
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Speaker 1: to do is not concentrate or worse still, be a
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Speaker 1: fucking psychopath, you know. And I'm dead, you know, But
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Speaker 1: you just I stand on the side of the road
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Speaker 1: and I literally I'm inches from where they're whizzing by.
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Speaker 1: Its sixty k's thinking that they're going to stay on
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Speaker 1: the trajectory they are when I get to the edge
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Speaker 1: of the road.
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Speaker 3: And I mean, there's lots of mechanisms to enforce trust,
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Speaker 3: one of them being that they would be punished if
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Speaker 3: they did run into you. So policing is an effective
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Speaker 3: way of making enforcing people or making them trust and corporate.
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Speaker 3: But you can't police everything all the time. And it's
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Speaker 3: really trust. Someone famous whose name I can't remember, once
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Speaker 3: said trust is like air. When it's there, you don't
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Speaker 3: notice it. When it's not, you notice it very very quickly.
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Speaker 3: And that's what it's like with trust. So we've had
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Speaker 3: a recent example of the air being sucked out of
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Speaker 3: our society in the form of the trust being sucked out,
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Speaker 3: and I mentioned it in that piece. It's last week
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Speaker 3: we had the report into the COVID reaction of the
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Speaker 3: response of Australia COVID and what they found was that
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Speaker 3: the response of government in failing to properly explain what
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Speaker 3: they were doing, failing to have evidence behind what they did,
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Speaker 3: and the overreaction in terms of the enforcement of lockdowns
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Speaker 3: and so on. It it took a massive impact on
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Speaker 3: the trust that society has in public health authorities and
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Speaker 3: and and it's translating through into other public health initiatives now.
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Speaker 3: Now people are less likely to become vaccinated, are less
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Speaker 3: likely to comply with public health directives because they don't
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Speaker 3: trust the authorities. Because whilst they complied at the time
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Speaker 3: because they didn't have a choice. What's happening now is
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Speaker 3: the blowback from that. And yes, that's what That's the
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Speaker 3: thing about trust, when you suck it out, which is
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Speaker 3: what happened there, When you burn that credit, when you
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Speaker 3: when you erode the trust when you need it, it
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Speaker 3: won't be there. People won't trust you, and they won't
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Speaker 3: do what you want, what you need them to do.
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Speaker 3: And that's happening. That's one example, but it's happening across
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Speaker 3: all of our institutions in society. Is that more and
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Speaker 3: more we are becoming aware that we're being lied to
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Speaker 3: and the result is we don't trust those in authority,
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Speaker 3: which means we won't do what they want us to
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Speaker 3: do because we're thinking about every man for himself, and
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Speaker 3: whilst that might be an immediate thing that protects us,
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Speaker 3: it's a bad thing for our society.
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Speaker 1: M Yeah. It was such an interesting time. It was
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Speaker 1: such like a weird intersection of of like biological and
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Speaker 1: sociological and commercial and medical kind of interest. And I
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Speaker 1: remember Brett Sutton or whatever his name is standing up
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Speaker 1: or he's the see just the Victorian once if or
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Speaker 1: that I think he's thet yeah, yeah, and like emphatically
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Speaker 1: going well, you know once you I think it was him,
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Speaker 1: et said it might have been a lady I forget,
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Speaker 1: but basically, you know, once you're vaccinated, that's it. You
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Speaker 1: can't you can't get COVID or you can't infect anyone else.
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Speaker 1: It's like, well neither of those things were true, and
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Speaker 1: and we unequivocally know that you know this, this works,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, well, no, lots of people got vaccinated
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Speaker 1: and then fucking had COVID, you know. And I think
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Speaker 1: there was quite a bit of evidence to say that
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Speaker 1: once you've had COVID, that's a much better vaccine in
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Speaker 1: inverted commas than the vaccine itself, you know, like your
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Speaker 1: immunity is much greater post COVID than post vaccination, but
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Speaker 1: nobody wanted to talk about and yeah, it's the trouble.
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Speaker 3: With that is And I think I heard someone say
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Speaker 3: it at the time. I can't remember who it was.
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Speaker 3: I'd love to give them the credit for it, but
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Speaker 3: some expert got on the radio or something and said,
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Speaker 3: one of the risks we take with this in overstating
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Speaker 3: the efficacy of these vaccines because they knew they were
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Speaker 3: doing that now, just as they know they're doing it
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Speaker 3: with the flu vaccine, right. I mean, the highest point
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Speaker 3: that the flu vaccines ever reached in terms of efficacy
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Speaker 3: is something under fifty percent, which makes it basically means
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Speaker 3: it's a matter of chance, and that's the highest point.
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Speaker 3: So you know, they knew they were doing that with
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Speaker 3: the covid vaccines as well, but they felt that the
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Speaker 3: public health outcomes were more important. Is that the risk
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Speaker 3: that they're running by doing that is that they make
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Speaker 3: people believe that that applies to all vaccines, and it doesn't.
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Speaker 3: So there are vaccines with extremely high efficacy, but if
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Speaker 3: you lie to people about a vaccine, people translate that
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Speaker 3: across to every vaccine, and that's a very bad thing
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Speaker 3: for society because then you have people not trusting something
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Speaker 3: that they should trust.
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Speaker 1: What do you think would have happened if the you know,
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Speaker 1: the leading medical people that were shoved in front of
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Speaker 1: microphones at that time had have said, look, we don't know,
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Speaker 1: we don't which is the true. We don't actually know,
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Speaker 1: like we think this, we believe this, but we don't
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Speaker 1: unequivocally know because this is new.
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Speaker 3: The good thing is that there's actually a lived example
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Speaker 3: of a country that did exactly that, and that's Sweden.
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Speaker 3: So unlike every other country in Northern Europe, Sweden went
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Speaker 3: down a path of not doing lockdowns and not doing
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Speaker 3: vaccine mandates and all of that sort of thing, and
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Speaker 3: it essentially, you know, when it all boiled down at
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, years later, it worked out
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Speaker 3: that they had the same outcomes as everybody else. So
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Speaker 3: they didn't go through all the economic pain of lockdowns
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Speaker 3: and so on, and they didn't go through all of
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Speaker 3: those mandates, and they arrived in the same place. So
21:25
Speaker 3: it's great to look at these things with twenty twenty hindsight.
21:27
Speaker 3: It's different when you're in the heat of the world
21:30
Speaker 3: health organization running around saying it's a deadly pandemic, et cetera,
21:34
Speaker 3: et cetera. But one of the things that came out
21:38
Speaker 3: of that review was in making pronouncements as if they
21:43
Speaker 3: had evidence when they knew they didn't. People had a
21:48
Speaker 3: sense of that and went along with it because of
21:53
Speaker 3: fear and enforcement and so on or whatever it was.
21:56
Speaker 3: But they still had an abiding sense that they were
21:59
Speaker 3: being lied to. And we have as humans a good
22:02
Speaker 3: sense of when we're being lied to, even if we
22:04
Speaker 3: do nothing about it. We know when we're being lied
22:07
Speaker 3: to by a politician or a leader, or a business
22:10
Speaker 3: or whatever, and which is why it's so important. I mean,
22:13
Speaker 3: one of the things I looked at in that article
22:15
Speaker 3: was the recent thing with Woolworth's where they said, the
22:17
Speaker 3: reason our profits have dropped is because customers no longer
22:20
Speaker 3: trust us. They understand the importance of that. They understand
22:24
Speaker 3: how important it is so much that they actively measure it.
22:27
Speaker 3: They have internal metrics that tell them whether they are trusted,
22:33
Speaker 3: and it's vitally important to them because it's vitally important
22:36
Speaker 3: to their bottom line. They need us to trust them.
22:41
Speaker 3: And so the interesting thing is that, Okay, when it
22:45
Speaker 3: comes down to dollars and cents. People can be really
22:48
Speaker 3: nakedly obvious about this and say, we've got to have trust,
22:51
Speaker 3: as it's as an important a commodity in our business
22:53
Speaker 3: as anything else. We've got to measure it, we've got
22:55
Speaker 3: to make sure it's okay. And yet we have other
22:59
Speaker 3: areas of us, our society, where it's freely being burned
23:03
Speaker 3: and no one is either measuring it or caring about it.
23:06
Speaker 3: But the consequences are starting to be felt where if
23:12
Speaker 3: most people, if you ask them about their political opinion
23:15
Speaker 3: about something, would say, I don't trust any of them.
23:18
Speaker 3: I don't like any of them, I don't trust any
23:20
Speaker 3: of them. I wish I had someone else to vote for.
23:24
Speaker 3: And that is a symptom of what's going on. And
23:27
Speaker 3: then the end result of that is what's going on
23:29
Speaker 3: in the US at the moment, which is it's about
23:32
Speaker 3: I hate them both. But this guy at least seems
23:35
Speaker 3: to think that he can solve the problem and is
23:37
Speaker 3: not promising more of the same. Yes, yes, and I
23:42
Speaker 3: don't trust him anymore than trust the other guy, but
23:44
Speaker 3: at least he's saying the right things.
23:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's almost it's down to if you're going to
23:49
Speaker 1: vote which over there? Of course it's optional. It's like
23:52
Speaker 1: who do you hate the least? Or yeah, who are
23:56
Speaker 1: you the least skeptical of all?
23:58
Speaker 3: Look, we're trending to that here too.
24:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's do one more topic before Tiff heads
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Speaker 1: off to get her new bloody pipe. Put on a motorbike.
24:12
Speaker 1: If I hear a loud noise outside my house tonight,
24:15
Speaker 1: echoing up and down Hampton Street at eleven PM, I was.
24:19
Speaker 2: Actually thinking about driving that way home, just a little.
24:23
Speaker 3: Rev little yeah, no, donet but a But it'd be
24:25
Speaker 3: at three, wouldn't it three in the morning, wouldn't bet eleven?
24:27
Speaker 2: I'm not up at three, silly eleven?
24:33
Speaker 1: So you wrote you wrote an article called Plunging into Recovery?
24:39
Speaker 1: Can ice barres rewire the addicted brain before you? Before
24:45
Speaker 1: you open that door wide? Have you ever had an
24:48
Speaker 1: ice bath?
24:49
Speaker 3: Or I haven't, not intentionally, Not intentionally. I have occasionally
24:55
Speaker 3: jumped into water that was a lot colder than I
24:57
Speaker 3: thought it was. But one of the times I was
25:02
Speaker 3: in Germany, and you know, the Germans I was staying with.
25:05
Speaker 3: We're all leaping into this alpine lake, you know, as
25:08
Speaker 3: if it was like a summer day at the beach,
25:09
Speaker 3: and so I joined them, and I swear that was
25:12
Speaker 3: just above freezing. That thing was, but they like it.
25:15
Speaker 1: Was alpine and lake. Yeh, alpine and lake.
25:20
Speaker 3: I should have thought I have done unintentional ice bath
25:26
Speaker 3: like experiences.
25:27
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we'll call that ice bass bath ish all right,
25:31
Speaker 1: plugging into Recovery can And by the way, both of
25:33
Speaker 1: these articles in the group. If you want to read
25:36
Speaker 1: the actual full articles, you project podcast facebook page, tell
25:42
Speaker 1: us about tell us about this one mate.
25:45
Speaker 3: Okay, So this came up because I was doing a
25:49
Speaker 3: talk to a group that are about helping people through addiction,
25:55
Speaker 3: so a rehabit type group who were quite interested in
25:58
Speaker 3: some of the things I've written, particularly in Brain Reset,
26:01
Speaker 3: about how do you break addictions? And one of the
26:04
Speaker 3: groups said, what do you think about ice baths? And honestly,
26:09
Speaker 3: I never even thought of it as a way of
26:11
Speaker 3: breaking an addiction, which is kind of ignorant of me.
26:14
Speaker 3: So I immediately went away and started doing some fairly detailed
26:18
Speaker 3: research into it and came to the conclusion that, look,
26:21
Speaker 3: there is a strong chance that the shock produced by
26:26
Speaker 3: an ice bath, because when you do that, it's a
26:30
Speaker 3: terrifying experience for your body. There's a significant shock experience
26:34
Speaker 3: associated with plunging yourself into an ice bath, and that
26:39
Speaker 3: shock experience produces a significant hit of dopamine. And some
26:44
Speaker 3: of the studies have said, look, we're talking two three
26:47
Speaker 3: times as much dopamine in a single hit as you
26:50
Speaker 3: would get from cocaine. This is a big hit of
26:54
Speaker 3: dopamine and naturally produced by the body. Quite a lot
27:00
Speaker 3: of studies have now looked at you know, there's lots
27:03
Speaker 3: of purported benefits of ice baths. I even go into
27:05
Speaker 3: all of that, but I did look at this dopamine
27:07
Speaker 3: aspect because one of the best ways to naturally break
27:10
Speaker 3: an addiction is to substitute. When you get the craving
27:13
Speaker 3: for whatever it is you're addicted to substitute. Instead of
27:17
Speaker 3: doing that, do something that produces a natural dopam mean hit.
27:20
Speaker 3: Now we've talked about this before. That could be doing,
27:23
Speaker 3: you know, running a marathon. It could be having a
27:25
Speaker 3: hobby that thoroughly engrosses you could be playing a musical
27:28
Speaker 3: instrument as long as you can play it well, it's
27:30
Speaker 3: something that requires extreme focus and produces dopamine. Well, this
27:34
Speaker 3: might be a shortcut to that. In what you might
27:36
Speaker 3: be able to do is just go take a cold shower, which,
27:39
Speaker 3: by the way, cold showers, while not producing as big
27:43
Speaker 3: a hit as an actual ice bath, does produce a
27:46
Speaker 3: dopamine hit too, And so an interesting piece of advice
27:52
Speaker 3: might well be, when you feel the cravings, go take
27:55
Speaker 3: a cold shower. And there's some good science behind this. Now,
28:00
Speaker 3: there's some really good science that suggests that this might
28:03
Speaker 3: be a reasonable path to take when you're trying to
28:08
Speaker 3: rehab people.
28:10
Speaker 1: Or if the other one would be get an aftermarket
28:13
Speaker 1: exhaust on your motorbike. Yeah, that's per.
28:18
Speaker 2: Ten out of ten can recommend.
28:21
Speaker 3: And that's not as silly as it sounds. Just look
28:24
Speaker 3: at the way Tips reacting to this thing, and she's
28:27
Speaker 3: desperately excited to do it, and when it's on it,
28:29
Speaker 3: when she hits that thing and it makes it the
28:31
Speaker 3: really really loud noise, it is going to be like
28:34
Speaker 3: having a hit of cocaine to her. And so, yeah,
28:39
Speaker 3: find that thing that does that for you. But if
28:41
Speaker 3: you're not sure what that is, if you're not like
28:43
Speaker 3: Tiff and you're not excited by loud motorbikes, a cold
28:48
Speaker 3: shower might do it.
28:49
Speaker 1: Wow, if you could write a book called Motorbikes, Puppies
28:53
Speaker 1: and Punching People and other addictions or other addiction treatment
29:01
Speaker 1: and other dopamine producers by tip.
29:04
Speaker 3: You just call it them, just call it the motorbike Cure. Yeah.
29:09
Speaker 1: Do you know what is funny? I know we've got
29:10
Speaker 1: to wind up. But what's funny is I've had a
29:14
Speaker 1: bike since I was a kid, and I'll probably I've
29:16
Speaker 1: taken over the years a lot of people on the back,
29:19
Speaker 1: and depending on how they feel about going on the back,
29:23
Speaker 1: they're either producing a shitload of dopamine or a shitload
29:26
Speaker 1: of cortisol.
29:27
Speaker 3: But same thing, no, no, same thing terror, being terrified,
29:31
Speaker 3: being terrified, which is kind of what the ice bath
29:34
Speaker 3: is doing to you. Being terrified produces a significant dopamine hit.
29:39
Speaker 3: So if you want to scare yourself, then you can
29:43
Speaker 3: do it with an ice bath. Or if you're not
29:44
Speaker 3: into bikes, you know, I guess you could ride pinion
29:47
Speaker 3: with Tiff.
29:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, definitely don't do that or watch Yeah,
29:55
Speaker 1: well you delivered again, mate, And next time we chat,
29:59
Speaker 1: there'll be ah, there will be a new boss in
30:02
Speaker 1: the White House. And yes, I so if you had
30:06
Speaker 1: to make a prediction you at where we are right
30:10
Speaker 1: now on Tuesday or Wednesday.
30:12
Speaker 3: At where we are right now. And by the way,
30:14
Speaker 3: I'm notoriously bad at predicting things like this, but at
30:17
Speaker 3: where we are right now, it feels like it's a
30:19
Speaker 3: Trump win.
30:20
Speaker 1: Wow. That's well, we'll wait with breath. Tift, you want
30:24
Speaker 1: to say something. You look like you're sticking your finger up.
30:26
Speaker 2: Can we acknowledge Gilespo's strapping new profile photos?
30:32
Speaker 3: Is that incredible?
30:37
Speaker 2: Are you going to cup that on your website? Because
30:39
Speaker 2: the first thing I did with freeschool dot org dot
30:41
Speaker 2: are you and.
30:43
Speaker 3: Have an updated it? I will have to do that. Yeah, yeah,
30:47
Speaker 3: this is a this AI thing is incredible. You give it,
30:51
Speaker 3: You give it like ten real photos of yourself and
30:54
Speaker 3: obviously I gave it younger ones of me, and and
31:01
Speaker 3: it produces like a hundred version. You can tell it
31:04
Speaker 3: how you want to be dressed, whatever, and off you go.
31:08
Speaker 1: Which program is that or which app is that?
31:11
Speaker 3: Stuff? To find know, I'd have to send it to you,
31:14
Speaker 3: all right.
31:14
Speaker 1: Send it to you? All right, We'll say goodbye. Heare
31:17
Speaker 1: but as always brilliant, Thank you mate, We appreciate you.
31:20
Speaker 3: No worries. See you lady guys,