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Jessel Taank on the Gay Rumor About Her Husband & Her RHONY Castmates · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's get started. Are you first time buyers?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's our first time. So, it's your first time here?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's first time buying.
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  Speaker 2: Did you say no for first time buying?
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  Speaker 1: No, wait, hold on.
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  Speaker 1: It's me, Heather McDonald.
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  Speaker 5: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: I call it like I see, you know you know
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  Speaker 1: you want the juices good, the juices good.
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  Speaker 3: Keep listening to me.
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  Speaker 1: If you, if you want the.
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  Speaker 3: Juices good, the juices good.
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  Speaker 5: Juicy, juicy, juicy, juicy.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have such a
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  Speaker 1: juicy interview with a real housewife, but first let's do
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  Speaker 1: some hot topics and updates. First of all, I'm very
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  Speaker 1: excited to announce that the movie Breeder, that my nephew
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  Speaker 1: through marriage, Alex Goulet, He will be on Juicy Scoop
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday. We already did a juicy interview of how
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  Speaker 1: this movie came about. It's so interesting. We just went
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  Speaker 1: to a premiere of it, saw it in a real theater.
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  Speaker 1: It is dark. It is dark humor. It is very surprising.
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  Speaker 1: It's super juicy. It's out today. So if you're looking
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  Speaker 1: for a movie, go see Breeder. And getting into movies,
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  Speaker 1: there's some updates on the other biggest movie around, which
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  Speaker 1: is You Can See Everything. And we talked about the
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  Speaker 1: full frontal nudity, which, by the way, there's full frontal
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  Speaker 1: male nudity in Breeder 2, pretty juicy, of Billy Evans,
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  Speaker 1: the partner to Elizabeth Holmes. Well, now, according to a source,
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  Speaker 1: he's saying he felt violated and he didn't want that. However,
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  Speaker 1: Nathan Fielder's people are saying, or the other co-director, Lance Oppenheim,
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  Speaker 1: says he said, hey, do you guys want to film
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  Speaker 1: me showering? Maybe he only meant waist up. Maybe he
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  Speaker 1: didn't make it clear that it would be full dickage.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Also, she is up to go to
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  Speaker 1: a halfway house as early as August of 2027. But
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  Speaker 1: then I believe she'd have to live in that halfway
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  Speaker 1: house for like a few years. She's also up for clemency,
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  Speaker 1: but that is not decided yet. She still owes $ 432
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  Speaker 1: million to all these investors. But meanwhile, Billy Evans is
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  Speaker 1: still working on that other blood project. that we see
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  Speaker 1: in the movie. And reports are saying he's raised anywhere
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  Speaker 1: from three to 18 million. So there's a discrepancy there,
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  Speaker 1: but he's working on that in Austin. They talk on
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  Speaker 1: the phone through prison about it. And what was also
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  Speaker 1: really weird is these billboards in the movies that people
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  Speaker 1: remembered seeing At least I remember seeing it all over
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles. And I was confused because I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: if it was a movie about Elizabeth Holmes or what
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  Speaker 1: it was. And it was this one guy was like
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  Speaker 1: half of the screen and the other half was the
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  Speaker 1: famous photo of her holding the one drop of blood
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  Speaker 1: and going like this one drop and her hair up
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  Speaker 1: and the black turtleneck and the big blue eyes and
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  Speaker 1: the red lips. And In the movie, you don't understand
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  Speaker 1: because then they go to like a play and there's
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  Speaker 1: like a weird like small theater play where a girl
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  Speaker 1: is playing her. And so I just saw a clip,
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  Speaker 1: but NBC News gets a hold of that guy that
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  Speaker 1: financed all of those billboards. And he insists that she
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  Speaker 1: do the interview in his private plane. I'm more confused
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  Speaker 1: by this than anything. He basically did it because he's like,
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  Speaker 1: she's my sister. She's my friend. And the science works.
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  Speaker 1: Follow the science. And it's kind of like what she
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  Speaker 1: was saying in the movie, like, I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: I would deceive you. It's always worked.
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  Speaker 4: The science worked. It was the chemistry that wasn't working.
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  Speaker 4: But the science of detecting the blood did work. It
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  Speaker 4: just had to catch up with itself.
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  Speaker 1: So I never.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what a lie is. What is a lie, actually?
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  Speaker 1: So I'm still, I don't know who this guy is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where he gets his money, why he
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  Speaker 1: thinks that Billy Evans and Elizabeth Holmes are going to
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  Speaker 1: be his best friends forever, what kind of stake he
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  Speaker 1: has into it. I don't know if the billboards were $ 50, 000
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  Speaker 1: a month or if he got a deal and they
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  Speaker 1: weren't that much. I don't know, but it was weird
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  Speaker 1: and I still don't have any answers. Okay, well, it's happened.
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  Speaker 1: Lamar Odom... will be the first NBA player to join OnlyFans. Sadly,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be the last. And it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: thank God Chloe didn't have a kid with him. But
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  Speaker 1: she did have kids with another NBA player who wasn't faithful.
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  Speaker 1: And we never know. He might go on OnlyFans too.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when you're a big guy with, I assume,
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  Speaker 1: a big schlong, there's a market for that. And you're
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  Speaker 1: also famous. And I guess the rehab situation in LA
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  Speaker 1: isn't working out. There's a lot of things going on
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  Speaker 1: with rehab sessions, places, and people are figuring out that
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  Speaker 1: they're not as truthful as is being presented. So that's
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  Speaker 1: what he was doing before. And now he's going to
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  Speaker 1: set up a camera and you can be a member. Well,
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  Speaker 1: reality TV baby news. Savannah Chrisley, who is the outspoken
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  Speaker 1: daughter of of Todd Chrisley of Chrisley Knows Best. This
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  Speaker 1: was a hit show on USA. It was a real family,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a fake reality show, but a real family.
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  Speaker 1: And Todd Chrisley always had all the zingers and he
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  Speaker 1: was Southern and everyone thought he was gay, but he's
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  Speaker 1: never come out as gay, though he had a wonderful
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  Speaker 1: time in prison. And he went to prison because of
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  Speaker 1: some major fraudulent stuff. that I can't explain right here.
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  Speaker 1: But it was major fraudulent stuff. He and his wife
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  Speaker 1: went to separate prisons. She, you know, they've been very
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  Speaker 1: vocal about the poor treatment of prisoners. So that's one
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  Speaker 1: good thing that, you know, they've made to light. He
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  Speaker 1: eventually got out. I believe he was pardoned by Trump.
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  Speaker 1: And she was very vocal in helping that happen, the
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  Speaker 1: daughter Savannah. And I think there's one daughter they don't
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  Speaker 1: talk to, but they have a podcast. And Todd is
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  Speaker 1: as outspoken as ever. And, you know, he recently went
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  Speaker 1: off and was like, oh, my God, these heifers that
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  Speaker 1: are talking about my beautiful granddaughter, who has a black mother,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, I will tell you right now, how dare
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  Speaker 1: you talk about my granddaughter when you heifers, I was
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  Speaker 1: knuckles deep in you in high school. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's an entertaining guy. To add to the entertainment. Savannah
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  Speaker 1: Chrisley is pregnant with this 56 year old guy and
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  Speaker 1: his name is Jason Galanis. He happened to be in
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  Speaker 1: the same prison with Todd Chrisley at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: He's just one year younger than Todd. And Forbes once
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  Speaker 1: dubbed him porn's new king because he was the processor
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  Speaker 1: of the payments of porn. I don't know why he
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  Speaker 1: went to prison. He's out. He's free. They're all one
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  Speaker 1: big happy family. And I think they'll be back on TV. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Little update on what I talked about the last show
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  Speaker 1: of the cheating scandal of this podcast called H3. So
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  Speaker 1: we know now why they call it H3. Hila is
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  Speaker 1: the scorned wife who Ethan cheated on. So H is
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  Speaker 1: for her and three is her initial E backwards.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: We figured that out. He cheated for six months. She
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  Speaker 1: made an announcement. The show is off the air. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know when it'll ever come back, if at all.
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  Speaker 1: And everyone is speculating. It's this girl that was a
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  Speaker 1: fan who worked for them. And I've seen photos of
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  Speaker 1: her and it's not what you would think. But you
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  Speaker 1: know what? That's not why people cheat. They cheat because
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  Speaker 1: of ego. And she clearly was a fan and she
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  Speaker 1: fed his ego and he wanted that. I also found
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  Speaker 1: out that Ethan lost like over 100 pounds. We know
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  Speaker 1: what happens, especially with a man that was once fat,
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  Speaker 1: now not, and ready to cheat on his wife. So meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: I got a little more information. Trisha Paytas now has
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  Speaker 1: spoken on it. So Trisha Paytas, who is a huge
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  Speaker 1: YouTube personality, She was his co-host on a show called
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  Speaker 1: Frenemies and they were very, very popular and they had
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  Speaker 1: a big fight and falling out over profits of the
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  Speaker 1: show and she wanted to hire her own staff and
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  Speaker 1: he didn't want that. So then the crew hated her
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  Speaker 1: and then she also thought there was some segment about
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  Speaker 1: let's give fans advice. She thought that was lazy. So
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  Speaker 1: then the fans hated her and then they ended the show.
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  Speaker 1: And then for five years, she got fan and backlash,
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  Speaker 1: like haunting her social media for five years. And it
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  Speaker 1: was also bad because she is married to a guy
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  Speaker 1: named Moses and Moses is the brother to Hilla. And
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  Speaker 1: so they're, they haven't talked in five years, but she
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  Speaker 1: has spoken and said, I'm actually relieved that the H3
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  Speaker 1: show is over with. My Maybe now they can be
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  Speaker 1: brother and sister again now that she's leaving awful Ethan
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  Speaker 1: because her kids are all the same age and maybe
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  Speaker 1: they can be friends. But I thought it was really
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  Speaker 1: interesting how, again, whether you know about the show or not,
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  Speaker 1: I just think in this parasocial world, especially with podcasting,
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  Speaker 1: how passionate fans get. And then also when you work
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  Speaker 1: with your spouse or work with extended family, how, or
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  Speaker 1: even a best friend, like a call you to call
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  Speaker 1: her daddy, how interesting, There's so many stories of the
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  Speaker 1: podcast breakup, you know? Also, Camille Grammer called out Kelsey Grammer.
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  Speaker 1: Over the weekend, she did a post and said, you
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  Speaker 1: can be a beloved actor to the world, but being
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  Speaker 1: a father is a role that requires showing up when
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  Speaker 1: the cameras are off. Fame, accolades, and public admiration mean
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  Speaker 1: very little if you neglect the people. So her daughter,
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  Speaker 1: it was her 25th birthday. And she did a post
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  Speaker 1: letting the world know that Kelsey Grammer failed to call
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  Speaker 1: her daughter for three days. It had been three days
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  Speaker 1: and he forgot about her birthday, failed to call it.
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  Speaker 1: Now her daughter is supposed to be in next gen
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  Speaker 1: LA with Heather Dubrow's son and some other stars kids.
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  Speaker 1: And that was not mentioned at FanFest for Bravo's lineup.
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  Speaker 1: So we don't know if it's put on hold or
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  Speaker 1: if they want to redo it or if it just
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  Speaker 1: wasn't that strong. We don't know. But there is this
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  Speaker 1: other thing that's kind of weird. Craig, who is a
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  Speaker 1: very good looking guy, is doing a micro drama on
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  Speaker 1: Peacock where he plays a mute. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what this is, but I don't know. I think it's weird.
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  Speaker 1: I think the poster's weird. And I think that Paige
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  Speaker 1: must be laughing about it with all of her success.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what? It's still very successful. It's just
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  Speaker 1: kind of ironic and funny that he's doing this weird
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  Speaker 1: thing and that he's a mute. So I guess he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have to really act. Another little update on Chrishell
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  Speaker 1: Strauss of Selling Sunset and G Flip. So their breakup.
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  Speaker 1: They had so many engagements, so many photo shoots, so
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  Speaker 1: many weddings, so many vow renewals, so many photo opportunities,
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  Speaker 1: getting dressed up where she's leaning in a sexy dress
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  Speaker 1: and G Flip is dressed in a manly tux. And
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  Speaker 1: then there's another one where she's dressed as the man
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  Speaker 1: and G Flip is dressed. I don't know. They did
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  Speaker 1: so much. Turns out they were never really married. They
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  Speaker 1: were never legally married. I don't know. I don't think Chrishell,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying she does a lot
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  Speaker 1: for publicity. I'm not saying she didn't love G Flip
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, but there's nothing more annoying than a million
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  Speaker 1: engagement parties and vow renewals and things like that, only
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  Speaker 1: to find out that you're broken up and that you
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  Speaker 1: were never legally married. So there you go. Also, speaking
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: of lesbians, the lesbian bar that we talked about in
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  Speaker 1: Boston that was suffering because they decided we're going to
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  Speaker 1: have one night where you don't have to wear a
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  Speaker 1: N9 mask in 2026. I know this will be shocking
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  Speaker 1: to you, but the business has to close. They tried
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  Speaker 1: and they tried. They lived in their vans. They wrote
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  Speaker 1: back each nasty comment. They begged for help and they
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  Speaker 1: called people ableist that didn't want to wear a mask.
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  Speaker 1: And in the end, they are selling the business. Also
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  Speaker 1: the Alexander brothers, I talk about it on Juicy Crimes.
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  Speaker 1: what that case was about along with a couple other
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  Speaker 1: hot cases. And they did, the three brothers got 30
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  Speaker 1: years each. So thank God for that. Finally, some justice
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  Speaker 1: was done and Kylie is smoking. Yes. People sent this
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  Speaker 1: to me. She has a clothing line And she wrote
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  Speaker 1: something about LA at night that I've always loved. The lights,
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  Speaker 1: the energy, and the way the city feels after dark.
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  Speaker 1: Wanted to bring that feeling. And she's got a cigarette.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, I love smoking. Cigarettes are in. And everybody's like,
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  Speaker 1: Heather said it. Heather predicted it. I told you cigarettes
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  Speaker 1: would come back in. I told you it would be
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  Speaker 1: a flex to say, I don't care that smoking's bad
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  Speaker 1: for my body and will give me lines around my
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  Speaker 1: mouth and make my teeth yellow because I'm so fucking rich.
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  Speaker 1: I can get plastic surgery and new teeth and probably
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  Speaker 1: eventually buy a new lung. Probably we'll be able to
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  Speaker 1: do that. So I can also spend, you know, 20
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  Speaker 1: bucks on a box of cigarettes. So it is coming back.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what? Chris loves a cigarette too, her mother.
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  Speaker 1: And so does Caitlin. Okay. That's back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: I caught, they enjoyed smoking at parties. So it's, it's okay.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people like to sneak a cig. with
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  Speaker 1: a martini in LA, but just beware. And also give
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  Speaker 1: me acknowledgement that I predicted this trend. Okay. Also Noah
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  Speaker 1: Wiley is crowned the people's sexiest man alive. And TMZ
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  Speaker 1: did such an unflattering photo. I mean, he is an
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  Speaker 1: older guy. He is a good looking guy, but they
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  Speaker 1: chose a photo with like extreme bloodshot eyes and the
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  Speaker 1: comments are ruthless. And it's true. If they did that
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  Speaker 1: about a woman who is not conventionally beautiful as the
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  Speaker 1: most beautiful woman, which they probably have. It's just a magazine.
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  Speaker 1: It's run by publicists. It's a very strategic thing, who
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  Speaker 1: they choose. Nobody went and voted like you would, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for a politician or whatever. But not as, he wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be my choice. Let's just say that. Fine looking guy.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't ignore him at a bar if I was single.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know about the world's sexiest man. Maxing
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  Speaker 1: on the show. her relationships with the other girls, the fans.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm very excited to
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  Speaker 1: talk to Real Housewives of New York star Jessel. Welcome
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: for the first time to Juicy Scoop. Thanks for doing this.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Heather. Thanks so much for having me. You look fabulous.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Thank you. So do you. Well, you know, I'm up
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: on the show. I'm watching the show. this is your
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: third season, correct?
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: It's my third season on Roni. That's right.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And, you know, for, for people just to catch up
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit, you were born in London.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: I was born in London.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was born in the suburbs, um, just Northwest of London, um,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: in a small town called Pinner, um, which is like very,
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: it's very chic.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: It's very cute.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: It's, uh, It's like one of those cobblestone type quintessential
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: British towns.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Very cool.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I grew up there. I went to school there.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: And then I moved to New York right after college.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And your family is Indian. You are the first real
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: housewife who is Indian, which is great. Would you describe
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: your childhood? In all honesty, were you upper middle class,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: very privileged? Like, what would you say that was like?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Say we were middle class. You know, my parents both worked.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: My dad was an accountant and my mom was a
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: social worker. So, yeah, it's funny because I got a
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: lot of stick in my first season of for like
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: lying about my background or how I grew up, which
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: was very interesting because, I mean, no one really knew
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: how I grew up except for me.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I would say, I mean, we were comfortable.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: There wasn't like, you know, it wasn't very glamorous or
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: anything like that. But we, my parents worked really hard
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: to make sure my brother and I were well looked after.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think nowadays when we meet new
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: housewives and it's so different than it was 10 years
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: ago with social media and how much commentary is about
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: your life and how much someone can find out about
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: your life. And then we complain as viewers, we don't
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: know anything about you. And you're like... Well, you know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: if you're do you really it wouldn't be interesting if
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it was all laid out the first, you know, hour
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of the show. So I think that's where people are
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, what's going on here? I like
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: her this season. I don't like her. Oh, now I
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: get it. Um, so you come to New York, you
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: had a career in fashion and PR and how did
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: being on the housewives come about? Like, were you a
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: fan of, first of all, I always ask everyone this,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: were you a fan of it? Did you watch it?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: What was your relationship with just reality TV in general?
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Um, no, I mean, no, growing up in London, um,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: it wasn't a thing. I know it's such a big
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: popular culture, sort of like cultural zeitgeist in the US.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like people grew up watching Housewives. That
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: wasn't my upbringing. We didn't, I don't even know if
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: we had like access to it growing up. But I
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: was very much into like British television. I would watch
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: a lot of soap operas that were British. A lot
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: of Australian soap operas as well. It was interesting what
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: I consumed growing up.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I used to watch a lot of MTV. And in
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: terms of.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Reality, it was like more Big Brother, like that type
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: of reality. Love Island UK was a massive one. But
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: I didn't really watch a lot of American reality shows.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I think like a lot of times, you know, with housewives,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: because I've interviewed so many of them, even if they
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: never pursued acting, they weren't even a lead in a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: high school play. They kind of have this thing where
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: they reflect back and they're like, but I always knew
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I'd be famous. Or I always thought, huh, I could
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: do reality TV or this would be fun for me. Or,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: you know, I would like to be an actress. Did
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you have aspirations to be on TV or in the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: public light?
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, as a publicist, I was always behind
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: the scenes. So that was never something that, you know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: attracted me. Listen, did I think I had like an
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: outlandish personality? And am I super fun? And do I
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: love to socialize and hang out with people? And, you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: I have a very energetic sort of like aura. Which
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: in hindsight, like, yes, does feed into being, you know,
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: a success on reality television. But it was never something
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: that I premeditated or even thought about. I, you know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: wanted so badly to understand the inner workings of the
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: fashion industry, which is why I moved to New York.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: And as a publicist, you know, I was really helping
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: brands behind the scenes for more of like a business
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: brand growth, like sort of standpoint. I was never, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: I was never in front of the cameras. So to
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: answer your question, like, no, I don't think I could
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: act by the way. I think I would be terrible
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: at it. It was never something where I was like,
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: I want to be in the spotlight or I'm like
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: a you know, a Disney sweetheart where like all those
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: kids who model is like, you know, there's, there was
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: none of that for me.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: So you're living your life, a little background. You met
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: your husband at a bar, Pavit, and were you dating
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Indian guys prior to him? Was that something that like
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: your family, that was what you were attracted to, or
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that's what you were dating? Or did you have a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: variety of different guys prior to him?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Heather, you go straight to the scoop, my love.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: I get why it's called Juicy Scoop. I, yeah, it
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: was always, I think, obviously growing up in a Thai
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: Indian household and my family are very close.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Like, I think for us, you know, marrying or dating
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: other Indians was kind of what you do.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: And I....
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I love to explore different cultures.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, like I was never like, oh, I
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: only want to marry Indian or I only want to
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: date a certain kind of person. I think for me,
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: it was like, you know, how do they dress? What's
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: their personality like? Like, you know, if they were... black, white.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't look at it like that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: But for whatever reason, when I moved to New York,
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: I did tend to gravitate towards a lot of Indian
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: men to start. Maybe it's because they like kind of
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: hit on me versus.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Me hitting on them.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it wasn't something that I was like, I
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: have to marry an Indian guy. In fact, I dated
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: a non-Indian for... almost like a year before meeting Puppet.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And when you were dating that guy, was that, did
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: you share it with your family? Were they kind of like, hmm, because,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: you know, not only is their arranged marriage still going on,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: which I don't necessarily think is a bad thing, you
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Especially with these kids that aren't
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: getting out of the house and not dating them. Like,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: find me a wife now, it might be okay. Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: But was that ever an issue during that year?
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: My parents, you know, definitely had expectations. I, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: wouldn't really share much of my personal life with them
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: just because I felt like unless it was like super
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: serious and it was going to lead to something, there's
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: no point in ruffling any feathers or trying to get
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: them worked up for no reason. So I actually didn't
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: introduce them to any of my boyfriends except for Puvit. So,
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: and that was, you know, after we had been dating
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: for almost like a.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Year and a half.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: And it was to the point where I knew that
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: we were going to get engaged. So we went to London.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: He met my parents for the first time. Well, he
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: met my dad for the first time.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, your story is like out of sort
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: of like a rom-com story in that you're like, you're
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: friends first and you need a roommate. So you're living
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: in an apartment and he's like in the hall across
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: from you and you're just platonic roommates splitting the rent.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: How did that work?
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, literally that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: So Pavit was living in Murray Hill. He was getting
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: evicted because he was throwing a lot of parties. And
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: at this point, we were really close as friends. And
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: it was completely platonic. I was living with family and
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: it was my time to get my own place. And
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: so we were both at the same time looking. And
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: then one, I think it was like over dinner or
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: a drink or something. I was like, wait, this doesn't
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: make any sense. You're looking for a place. I'm looking
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: for a place. Why would we not look together? And so,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: because I prefer to live with someone I knew as
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: opposed to get a roommate who's going to end up
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: being a lunatic because that's just what the temperature was
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: at that time in New York. Do you remember Craigslist?
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: You would find people on Craigslist.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: So, and I had met like a number of people
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: at this point and didn't vibe with anyone. So we
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: decided to look together and we ended up getting a
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: place in Hell's Kitchen on 42nd and 10th. He had
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: his own room. I had my own room and we
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: actually had a third roommate. So it was like one
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: big happy family.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: So when did it turn to not just roommates?
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: So that's a funny story.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: I was working at Michael Kors at the time and
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: it was Fashion Week and my mom had come to visit. And,
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: you know, Fashion Week is a really busy time in
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: New York. It's like a lot of long days, long nights, events.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was very busy. And Povit was at home.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: He was studying for his MBA. And my mom sort
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: of like found herself being alone because just because I
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: wasn't there to like, you know, host her. So he
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: took my mom under his wing. He would go shopping
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: with her. He took her for lunch. He would like
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: do dinner together with her. And at the end of
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: that trip, I was taking her to the airport and
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: she just looked at me and was.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Like, are you okay?
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Like you have this incredible person that clearly cares about
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: you and you don't find him like attractive or you're
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: not interested in pursuing anything. a light bulb went off
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: in my head because I just had never thought of
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: him like that. Like we had gotten, like we had
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: friend zoned each other. And so, you know, when she
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: put that little nugget in my head, I was like, oh,
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: he's six foot three. He's really good looking. He's a
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: great guy. He's so wholesome. And I just never entertained
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: that we would ever or should ever date. So I
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: asked him out on a date like that week and
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: we grabbed dinner.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: And the rest was history.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And so then it was just like he leaned over
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: and kissed you like during the dinner and it was on?
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I wish it was that smooth. I mean, we talked
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: a lot at that dinner. I was like, you know,
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I told him what my mom has said, actually. And
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: I was like, I've never really like thought about this.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: But like, you know, I don't know what it would
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: feel like to date you, but I would like to
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: kind of give it a shot. I mean, Puppet is
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: the most awkward I'm sure you know from the show.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: He's not the type of guy that like makes moves
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: on chicks. You know, he doesn't really like flirt. He's
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: someone that is just like kind of minds his own business.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: And it was just... I remember it being like.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: A very, like he was almost taken aback that this
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: is the stuff that I was even like suggesting. But
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: then we left the restaurant. I remember the exact, we
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: went to get sushi on Second Avenue. It's a place
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: that actually is closed down now. It's called Aquamarine. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: we walked out the restaurant and he like held my
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: hand at the restaurant.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my God, this is so weird.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: And then we kissed like walking out.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: And it just, to me, it just felt like, natural
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: as if it was supposed to be the next step
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: in our relationship.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: And did you guys, well, it's kind of fun because
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: your mom and your parents didn't do an arranged marriage,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: but essentially she arranged marriage. So it's like arranged marriage life.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: I've never thought of it that way, but she would
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: be so thrilled to hear you say that because, you know, it's,
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Of course, it's every parent's like dream to see your daughter, like,
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: you know, be happy and marry into a good family.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: And, you know, he's a really stand up guy.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Like there is with Puppet, it's like what you see
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: is what you get. There's really no, you know, I
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: beg him to go out with his friends because I'm
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: just like, go and have fun. Like, you know, he's
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: a great dad. He prefers to stay home with his kids.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Like he's a really wholesome person. So he's every parent's dream,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I would say.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: So you guys have five-year-old twin boys, which must be
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: very busy. I feel like, will we see them at
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: all this season? I feel like we're not seeing them,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: but maybe that just has not been in the episodes yet.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I hope so.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: We filmed some really fun stuff with them. They're so sassy. And,
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: you know, they really have personalities now. I think when
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: you guys first met them, they were just over one
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: year old, which is crazy.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Which is a crazy hard time. I mean, like, I
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: have boys who are not twins. I always thought, like, gosh,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: two boys at the same time. Now it'll get easier.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: They have each other and they get older. It's actually
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: going to probably be easier that they're twins and not, like...
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: two years apart, but when they're babies, I imagine that
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: could be been really overwhelming. And we saw it and
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you were honest about it and you discussed, so you
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: went through fertility to have the twins. Yeah. And then
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: discussing if you want to have one more and he
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: was felt that your family was complete. Is that still
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: a discussion or is it, it can be on the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: back burner because there's an embryo, but where are you
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: with that?
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: You know, when you start paying tuition for schools and
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: you have two of them at the same time, it
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: really puts things into perspective because, you know, it's very,
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: very expensive to have twins.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, everything is double, literally.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: And I think that the finances aside, like, we are
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: just so overwhelmed. You know, it's they're still young and
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: there's two of them. And, you know, there's really no,
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: I don't see the light at the end of the
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: tunnel still with this age. Everyone keeps telling me like, oh,
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: wait until they're seven. Well, wait until they're 10. I
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: just feel like, you know, as boys or as you
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: all know, it's so, there's so much energy and they're
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: so like, you know, it's.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: A lot of work.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: So to answer your question, I don't think I could
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: do another.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I think I would, I think I would like, be
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: a corpse at the end of it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the other thing that not enough
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: people are honest in talking about is when you're debating
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: having that second or third or whatever, and as your
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: older kids get older, you know, psychologists or whatever in psychology,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: they say if there's more than six years apart, you're
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: really having the experience of being raised as like an
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: only child. they're really not having that sibling thing. And
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: you already have the sibling thing with the twins. And
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: also in your case, you'd be choosing to have the
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: embryo implanted. It's not like you roll over one night
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and there's a whoopsie and you're like, oh, okay, this
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: was meant to be. When you really have the choice
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: in that case because of fertility, I think, yeah, as
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: more time passes and your life becomes more It's like, oh,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: my God, to start all over. And now it's like
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: you go on trips. The boys have each other. You
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: don't have to invite a friend. They can share a room.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot that happens when you go from
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: four to five. And especially if that fifth one is
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a different sex. And so it's like, I think you
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: made the right decision. But I like that you had
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: that conversation because I think it's a very relatable thing
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: to anybody of like, do we roll the dice once more?
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: We already are so blessed to have two healthy kids. Like,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: what if, you know, and I think that's like a
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: fair conversation. And I'm sure you got people in the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: comments saying, giving their opinion, which is what you want.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: By being on a reality show, you need people talking
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: about it, but it must be quite annoying at the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: same time.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I feel like, you know, when it
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: came to the fertility and growing our family, I mean,
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: people were really understanding and sympathetic and empathetic to the situation.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: I don't recall anyone ever sort of saying anything that
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: was judgmental or negative. I think that as women, this
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: is something that's universal, you know, that we go through
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: like your infertility and, and kind of like, you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: talking and having open conversations about like the family and
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: what that means. I mean, it's a very, very interesting
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: concept to like, you know, have more children, but then
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: where does that put you in your career? And I
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: think it's something that I would love to continue, you know,
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: talking through. because it does change everything, you know, it's like,
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: what do you put on the back burner? And how
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: do you navigate like, your career choices if you are
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: sort of, you know, growing a family in that way? So,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I made a very conscious decision, obviously joining the show,
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: to share a little bit about my struggles with IVF.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: It was something that really, I would.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: Say, changed me as a person. And I understand that
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: a lot of women do go through it alone. It
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: can be very isolating. And it can really, you know,
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: it's very emotionally like draining and taxing on you. So I,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: you know, when I was going through the motions, I
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: remember Chrissy Teigen and John Legend had been very vocal
• 40:16
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• 40:20
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• 40:23
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• 40:26
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• 40:30
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• 40:34
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• 40:37
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  Speaker 1: I was going through it. I'm like, wait, what? So Dimwa,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: who is an anonymous podcaster, blogger, we don't know who
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: she is. And apparently her attorney is Abe, Aaron Leach's husband.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And it gets talked about in the show that three
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: years ago, it was a rumor was floating around that
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: came from, we don't know if it came from Aaron, Abe, Dumois.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: It's that Pavitt is in fact gay and meets guys
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: at Equinox. And you're like, I wish you went to Equinox.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: He doesn't work out. He's going to be, he's going
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to rest spots and filming his pad Thai. Like he's
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: not filming the squats at fucking Equinox. So, um, had
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: you heard that before and like ignored it or, because
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: it's a very, it's a very common rumor that happens
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: in housewives. They're always pointing to anybody, you know, whether
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the guy knows how to properly tuck a shirt or
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: works out or maybe, you know, whatever they, it come,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: it's come out more times than I can count. And
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I really think the only time it's been proven was
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: in Miami and the guy was dead and Alexia's like
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: oh my husband my second husband had a boyfriend I
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: don't know that it's ever been like really but it's
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: such a common thing and but it would be disturbing
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: or like what are thoughts about it can you just
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: share like how you heard about it what you're thinking
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: was it did was it a problem in your marriage
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: that that that you put them on this show and
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: now this rumor is going around.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah no I mean Just to say, I think the
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: audience reaction from that rumor said it all. There's like
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: rumor fatigue and especially discussing this topic of like someone
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: potentially being gay. Like it's, it seems like too often
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: than not that this happens.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: And I don't know why.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's something that like is very invasive as
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: a rumor. And I think that that's how I, I
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: felt that, you know, when I heard it, I was just,
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: my first reaction was like, well, it's, of course, not true.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: It's ridiculous. But like, more importantly, like he doesn't even
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: go to the gym. Like I was so stuck on
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: the fact that like he doesn't even have an Equinox membership.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Like it was so insane.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: The insinuations like that were being sort of, you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: shared against him or whatever that even means. The rumor was,
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: It has so many different, I would say, legs to it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: It's something that is, it's like an onion, like you
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: have to sort of like peel back, like, obviously, it
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: surfaced three years ago. And I did hear about the
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: blind item that Dumas referenced, and she never posted it.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: She never sort of, you know, I think it was
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: like surfaced here and there, like that there was a
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: blind item, but she never actually divulged what it was. Now,
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: I first caught wind of this at BravoCon last year.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: When Sai kind of gave me a heads up, she
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: said that Erin was talking about my husband and saying
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: like not so nice things about him. And so I
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: asked a little bit more about what she meant. And
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: she just said like, there's like something that she is
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: saying that he's like gay or whatever. Now, Erin has
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: like said a lot of things about my family. And
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: so I just pegged it to that. Like, I didn't
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: know that there was so much more to it. The
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: details behind the rumor, etc. So when I finally heard
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: on the island exactly what this was, I'm hearing it
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: for the first time. And I was really, I think
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: for me, it was like separating the fact that the
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: rumor alludes to him being gay, because obviously that's not true.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: And it It's ridiculous. And we made light of it because.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: I think that was the right way to deal with that.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: But also the fact that.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: We're now saying that my husband leads a second life,
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: that he's cheating on me, that he's being unfaithful.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: That stuff was not cool.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: So I sort of had to separate exactly the intention
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: behind the rumor.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I'm just remembering a couple
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: of things. I remember Teresa on Real Housewives of New
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Jersey comes to a party and it's like, yeah, there's
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: a rumor that Jackie Goldschneider, whatever her name was, her husband, um,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: you know, cheats with people at the gym. And I
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: remember thinking, is she insinuating that he's gay because it's
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the gym, you know? And I don't know what she,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: but again, never was proven. They're still together. She's no
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: longer on the show. She got all mad, but then
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: she wanted to stay on the show. So she forgave Teresa.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: And again, it's just like, you could say anything and
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: anyone could write that on Reddit. under an anonymous thing.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Anyone could write anything on Reddit. And then someone either
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: goes on Reddit or they screen grab Reddit and they
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: DM a housewife. And then they're, you know, you should
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: say this at the party and you can just say
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: it was a rumor and I didn't say it. And,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: you know, but now it's out in the universe. And
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: the thing that sucks about that is like, Forever, there'll
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: be somebody that believes that or, you know, like three
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: years from now, you could post something. Merry Christmas, you know,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: and there'll be a comment like you and your gay
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: husband are having fun. You know, it's like and you
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: it's just a hard thing to get through. Like and
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and the other part is like, you know, we are all.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: you know, we all have gay friends and may have
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: gay children. And we all as women, especially in this Bravoverse,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: want to the world to know that we believe love
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: is love and everything. So when this rumor comes, it
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: also puts you in a hard position because you're like, Yeah,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: you have to be like, well, and if he was,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: and I think you said, I found a quote somewhere,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: you said, if Pavitt was gay, it would not ruin
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: our family, meaning maybe you wouldn't stay with him, but
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't hate him if that is in fact true,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: because so many gay men have been in a heterosexual
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: marriage first. It's just a weird thing to be accused of,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: because no matter how you defend yourself, Someone could point
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: a finger as, oh, I knew you're homophobic. You're mad
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: that your husband's gay. You're like, well, I'm not. It
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: must be hard. Yeah.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was obviously something that, I mean, I
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: navigated in the best way I could. But, you know,
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: it does like saying something along the lines of that
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: would ruin, you know, this woman could ruin her family.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: I just feel like it just puts out a really
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: weird message to, you know, young boys.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: That maybe haven't come out yet.
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: Like, and then they, you know, it's just, I think
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: it is a little bit of a slippery situation. Now,
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: if in hindsight, my husband were gay, I mean, we
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: would navigate that in real time. And obviously, like, you know, it's,
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: he can't help who he is. Like, you can't help what,
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: you know, sexuality you choose to be or you are
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: or whatever that means. So Kris Jenner did it with Bruce,
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in her case, you know, there was always, the
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: story is that she, I believe that she thought he
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: had a kink of dressing up as women, as a woman,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and They still had a healthy sexual life. And so
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: that was his little secret thing. And she was just
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: being like, hey, that's your kink, whatever. And then when
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: he really then said, I'm going to be a she
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and I am a woman, their marriage was already ending.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: So that's the thing with that. And that was also
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: such a unique thing. And she did get so much
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: criticism for it. And I was like, okay. There's not
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: like a ton of women in the public eye that
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: have been through this. So to criticize how she's reacting
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: to it was... you know, ridiculous too, because it's like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not like a blueprint for when this happens.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: But I, you know, there, unfortunately there is like a
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: blueprint because of housewives, because this is just a rumor
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: that gets thrown around. And, and I don't know if
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: it gets started because there are, you know, and it
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: gets legs because we have the housewives have so many
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: gay male fans and this is juicy and to talk
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: about and all that. But I think it, I think
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: it sucks. Like, I do kind of think it sucks. And,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: you know, and then you have to deal with that.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: And now what? So he had a bit, he has
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: a business or he had a business, but he also
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: is doing this food influencing thing. And you kind of
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: talk about that, like, okay, let's, this isn't necessarily profitable yet.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Like what's happening here? Is that a hard thing to manage?
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Because you're so busy filming the show. And so what
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: is that about?
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it really did put, I think, a
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: bit of a strain on us. He probably decided to
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: pivot careers about two years ago now. And he was
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: in management consulting and, you know, with a number of
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: big firms.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: And, you know, It was a lot. He would travel
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: It was extremely hard for him because we had small
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: kids and he would be away pretty much every week,
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: like Monday through Thursday. So realistically, I know that he
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: wanted a change. But in figuring out what that looks
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: like for him professionally, obviously, it took a second. And
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: It definitely like, you know, it's a tough one because A,
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: you want to figure out what your next move is.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: But B, you have like the pressures of like upkeeping
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: a certain lifestyle. And I was kind of a single income, like,
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: family for a second.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: And it was very stressful.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: And you sort of see that play out on the
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: season a little bit because I think that as women, this.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Is a partnership.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: And I really did want to encourage that, but at
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: the same time, be patient until while he figures out
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: what he wants to do. So I was kind of
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: being push pulled in all these types of different ways.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: And we finally got there.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's really happy.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: He found a career or an opportunity that sort of
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: marries the food influencing of it all, but also with
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: like corporate and business strategy.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: So it's the perfect storm.
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: And it took a year or whatever it was, but
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: he got there. But that time sort of in the
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: interim was just really tough for us.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: So now he has like a legit salary.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Like you have like, okay. Yeah.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's, you know, you feel, and it's like,
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: I felt so bad because it, it just, I didn't
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: want to put this much pressure on the situation, but
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: like New York is a really expensive place to live. And,
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: you know, it's like, there's certain things that you just like,
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: you can't like And so it was heavy and there
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: was a lot of, I think there was a lot
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: of just pressure on kind of him, which I wish
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: that didn't have to be.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: But it was just, it was what it was at
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: And you had your PR company. And now do you
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: still do it? Or are you too busy being your own?
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Like you're an influencer yourself. I see your Instagram and you,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you know, have collabs with some great products and things.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: So like, do you have time to still, do you
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: still run PR for other people? It seems like that
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: would be kind of like a conflict of interest.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: 100%.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: So I.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: Did actually start my own agency around the same time
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: that the show started. I was actually consulting for Goop
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: at the time. And it was, you know, it was
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: under my own sort of like umbrella firm. But then
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: when you become like a... When you're on a TV
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: show and you're pitching publicists for other brands, it was
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: such a weird... Like, I couldn't get my head around
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: how that works because then... people like, oh my God, Jessel.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: And then they would ask you questions about the show.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: And it just like got really strange. The relationship between
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: me and the press and kind of being a publicist,
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: but then also like talking to press and doing interviews
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: like for myself as talent. So I had to kind
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: of navigate like how to, you know, figure out My
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: sort of background in PR, I've been a publicist for
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: almost 20 years now, but figure out a way to
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: utilize those strengths, but really create my own business. And
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: so about a year ago, I launched a platform that
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: actually promotes and advocates and brings to the US creatives
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: from the South America. global Southeast, so the Middle East
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: and India. And yeah, it's great because I can use
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: my PR arm and my marketing talent to kind.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: Of help build those brands.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: But then I'm not like pitching them to US press,
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: you know, it's, it's a bit of a, it's a
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: bit of my, like, I'm creating my own like, sort
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: of like, you know, orbit with, with what I've learned.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Well, now let's get into some of your castmates because
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: it is an expensive city. And it does seem there's,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you know, the Daisy of it all. Okay. So Daisy
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: is living in the rent control apartment, which who wouldn't
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: want that? Okay. I would never leave either. We had
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: rent control apartments in Santa Monica and I knew some
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: people and they would stay in that. And then when
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: they could afford a home, they'd go buy a home
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: somewhere else. But they'd never give up that apartment. So, like,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I understand that. But the snobbery of it is pretty
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: amazing when she goes to the private island. And it's like,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: you know, with all the zingers that, like, sigh and
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: everybody's saying, I'm like, someone just needs to go, like,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you're an entitled plus one of an elderly single woman
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: who brings a makeup brush blush, like, blush brush. Like,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: who are you? Like, I'm sorry, makeup artistry. is an
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: important thing but mostly you've been there for 17 years
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: because she likes your personality like you could find a
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: makeup artist wherever you want to go like I just
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: am kind of like but I get it I wouldn't
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: leave that I wouldn't leave that rent control apartment and
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't leave elderly Martha Stewart, okay, as her best
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: friend who's gone all over. Don't blame her. And if
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: she can also be a real housewife, don't blame her. Like,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: but it was shocking how rude she was on the island.
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I, you know, I don't know Daisy as
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: well as Cy does.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: And a that's just who she is.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: Like she has kind of these very high standards when
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: it comes to restaurants and hotels and like her sort
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: of like personal like leisure.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: I was, I've been to the island before. Let me
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: just preface that.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: Pavit and I went to the island once Last December,
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: we were invited with a.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Number of other friends of Erica.
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: And it is when I tell you, Heather, you get
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: there and it is like pure luxury.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to convince me.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: You don't have to convince me.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I've been to the Virgin Islands. I've seen places like that. Yeah,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: it's absolutely stunning. And, you know, the food looked amazing
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: and the coffee you could make. It was I just
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: but I do believe that when you're that spoiled, whether
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: you're a spoiled wife or whatever, and when you've traveled
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: on someone else's dime and you're which is what she's done. Yeah,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: you just get used to it. And I mean, some
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: people can get used to it and still be classy
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: and some are not, you know. And so I thought
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: that was fascinating. And speaking of Psy, like, does she
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: really come up with these sayings? that in the spot?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Or do you think she worked on them all season?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Because she has like this one about the, you know,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: what was the queefing? I like literally had to look
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, she's like, your lips are so loose
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: to Erin. Your lips are so... are so loose that
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: you're queefing everyone's business. And I was like, later, Erin
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: says her special gift is that she queefs. So I'm like,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: they must have confided in the fact that Erin can queef.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: And then I don't know if that stuck in her head,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: but it reminded me of like a classic housewife, like that.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I can't remember who said it, but it was like,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: maybe it was Tamara or something, but it was like,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: is your asshole jealous of your mouth for how much
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: shit is coming out of it? That's a good one.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: It's like a riddle. You have to like think about
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: it for a minute, but it's like, wow.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: It's like, wait a second. Has this role? No, I mean,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Psy is really funny.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: And I, whether or not she had known she was
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: going to say that or not, or it came out on.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: The spot, it's a brilliant line.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's, I have to teach. She has t-shirts
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: that she's been handing out that she had made that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: literally says queefing everyone's.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Business on it. I think, I think.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Listen, sometimes it's in the spot. But at this point, yeah,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: you got to think of like, yeah, I want to
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: have that iconic line. I want to have, you know,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: some of these iconic lines. And if she said it before,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: somebody like write that down. I mean, as a comedian,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: I'll be telling a story and my friends will be like,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: write it down, write it down, write it down. I'm like, oh, OK,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and I'll write it down. So I don't
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: think it's anything wrong with it. But when she said,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I don't give a rat's cock. I was like, okay,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: the expression is rat's ass. It's been around for like
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: 40 years. My dad used to say it. And I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: was just like, a rat has a cock. Like it
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: was just so, and she's just so like angry that,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: you know, people are like, huh, maybe I understand the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: divorce now. Like if that's the wrath that you get,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: but entertaining nonetheless, are you close with Psy?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Very close to Psy.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: And I have to say, like, I don't perceive her
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: that way.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: And, you know, she.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: Psy and I started off on a rocky, you know,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: it was rocky, our relationship.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: But as you get to know her, I think.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: The one thing, everyone, you keep hearing people say is
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: that she's so angry or she's so, like, you know,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: the wrath of Psy and this and the other. I
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: think you have to understand, like, she is a passionate,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: feisty little Latina.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: Like, she.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: She grew up in New York. You know, she's got
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: this like passion about her. And I sort of understand
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: it because my family is also like quite loud and rambunctious.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: And we're, you know, I.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: Think the culture of it all, like growing up in
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: maybe a Latin household or an Indian household, like, you know,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: we sort of like, I yell at my mom, I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: yell at my dad, my brother and I fight where
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: we're not sort of tiptoeing around each other.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: And I do see a lot of that inside.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: I feel like she is just who she is. And
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: so what was frustrating in that moment was that she
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: was trying to, Daisy was trying to school her and
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: trying to give her like elocution lessons and, you know,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: give her like, you know.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Like say, excuse me, Carol. Like it was very condescending.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: And I don't think she appreciated that.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: And so that's kind of what set her off. Like,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: you know, and then when he sets her off, it's like, okay,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: it's like there's, There's no stopping, but it was, I
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: think that she wanted to talk to Carol. She wanted
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: to have a conversation because she thought leaving the island,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: they were in a good place and she didn't feel
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: that energy from Carol. So she was just trying to
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: get her attention.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Okay. So Haley Glassman. Okay. We talk about not knowing
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: about anybody. Like, I still don't know. I know that
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: she dated John Gosling, which is kind of interesting because
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: it was like, wow, that's such an old reference. But
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I understand tabloids were the only way that people got
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: gossip back then. And she was seeing herself on the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: covers and everything. It doesn't matter now. Things are over
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: within two minutes. But John is back in the news
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: because of his son's number one bestselling book, John Gosling's.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Colin Gosling wrote a book about the abuse that he
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: claims to have suffered at John's ex-wife. So I do
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: find the timing, even though I don't think that... I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: think the timing just kind of worked out that she's
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: like in it. But, you know, she... we don't know
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: anything about her. Like, it's very hard to understand. Like,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, does she have a trust fund, which is
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: totally acceptable, you know, like a lot of people do.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Does she have a trust fund? Does the lavender marriage
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: husband that we never see have a trust fund? And
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: does she look so different because she has a plastic
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: surgeon dad than she did in the covers of those magazines? Like,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: what do you know about her? You know, are you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: going to laugh after filming with her for five months
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: than I do? Yeah, I do. I do.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: She was, I think, the biggest surprise for me out
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: of anyone on the cast because, you know, like you,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: I'm sure, you know, I really thought she would be
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: a red flag.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: I really did.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: I sort of, you know, when you Google her and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: all the media blitz that comes up around her, It's, um,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: it's kind of, it's a little bit stressful, like just
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: kind of seeing everything that's been, been written about her. Um,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: I had dinner with her before we started filming and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: she said to me, I asked her, I was like,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: are you ready to be on a national television show?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: And she was like, I'm a very private person. I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: would like to keep it that way. And I was like,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: are you serious? I was like, do you know what
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: you're about to like get into?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, Haley. She's like, yeah.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: My Instagram is private. It's not a public profile. And
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: I was like, you're going to have to change that
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: up real quick. So to answer your question, I don't
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: think she really knew or understood the assignment when it
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: came to being on Roni.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: And, you know, when we are trying.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: To get to know her and asking those questions, I
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: think she kind of gives these like very wishy-washy answers because.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: She is actually very... She's like, she's been almost.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: I would say, taught to be quite insular and quite
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: an introvert because of everything she went through growing up.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it is a weird ass story. And
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: it's also something that like nobody remembers those magazines from
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: 15 years ago. So she lived it and it's triggering
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: and she remembers it. And I don't doubt that it
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: was traumatic, but nobody else remembers. Like if she just
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: came on And never brought up that she dated him.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would have, like, remembered, oh, that's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: the girl that dated John Gosling and was on magazines
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: for two months. Like, I just don't think anybody would.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: And it's just strange that, like, the plastic, I mean,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: it's just such a weird thing. The plastic surgeon dad
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: did Kate Gosling's tummy tuck after the sex tuplets. And
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: then the dad, and then the mom was like, you
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: should date him. And it seemed like the mom kind
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: of liked the attention because I'm like, who would tell
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: you to date a divorced dad of eight and pay
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: the child support for him? And then she meets this other, like,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: I just, listen, maybe we'll know more or not. I mean,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: she seems nice. She seems genuinely like a nice person
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: and can be funny. But it's just like people being like,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: I just don't know who these these people are or whatever.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: It's just kind of, it's just weird, you know?
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: She is really funny.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: And I think outside of her connection with John Gosling, like,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: you know, if you strip back the layers of who
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: is Hayley Glassman, She is a really kooky, funny, she's like.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: Housewives gold, in my opinion. And I didn't even know
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: how this was going to like pan out for her.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: I was really nervous because I mean, you know, you
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: sort of don't get like the full picture, like you said.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: But seeing her on the show as a viewer myself,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, I'm obsessed. She's brilliant, like in the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: most unassuming, like unintentional way.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: So in deciding to do The Housewives, did you hear
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: they were looking for new women for New York? Did
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: someone approach you? How did it come about that you
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I'll do an interview. I'll consider it.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It started out as a joke.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: So obviously being in the fashion industry, I think that
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: the show was when they decided to reboot, talking to
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: a lot of my friends who happen.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: To be in the industry.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think fashion is sort of like society
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: kind of go hand in hand here. And so one
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: of my very, very best friends was talking to the show.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: And, you know, obviously, it's about connections and friendships.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: And so she threw all of her close friends names
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: in this hat.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: And gave me a heads up.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: She was like, Oh, by the way, like, Roni's rebooting,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: you may get a call from someone like, at some point,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: I thought nothing of it. I mean, again, never in
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: my wildest dreams did I ever think I would be
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: on a.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: National television show.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: I got a DM from, you know, a person that
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: was like, would you be interested in having a conversation?
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: And And honestly, Heather, I was approaching this like at
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: every stage of the process, I was saying it would
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: make a great dinner party story. I never for one
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: second thought I would end up here today speaking to
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: you about me being on a television show.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: For three seasons.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: It was a concept that was so far gone. And
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: there was just a lot of variables. Obviously, me being
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: on a show is not just my decision.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: It's also... my husband's and.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: My family would have to be okay with that. Being
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: a reality is very intrusive, like you're opening doors to
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: your life to everybody.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: And when I finally.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: I was in Mykonos when I did that final interview.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: It was summer. I will never forget it. It was July.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: I was in Mykonos with some friends and I had.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: Like, what would have, what was the last call?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: And I was kind of tipsy and wasted and I
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: was FaceTiming with executives and I was like, woo, like,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: Being crazy.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: And I.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Just really was like, being me.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: And then the next day when they offered me the opportunity,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: I was just like, oh my God, like, what? It
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: was just almost like very surreal, like, The process was
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: so surreal that I never took it seriously except for
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: when I did get the offer.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: I was like, this is like, it was a little
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: bit of like reality check.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: And Pavit, your husband was always like, I'm down, I'll
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: do it, whatever. Or was he had, did he have
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: any reservations?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: We both had no clue what we were doing.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: And I will say that completely honestly, like he had
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: never seen the show. I had like was familiar with
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: it and had seen like here and there, but like,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: I'm not, a real housewives fan like I had never
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: studied the people I I barely knew any names I
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: mean clearly like I don't know who anyone is um
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: so it's kind of.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Funny at like the ultimate girls parties and stuff that
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: um I don't know if it was you or other
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: housewives but when they had the ultimate girls did you
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: go to the like were you there at the Halloween
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: party and you know and it was like um Chanel
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't know was getting the names mixed up and
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: the younger girls didn't have the history of it and
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: then some of the fans are like do your homework
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: and it's like well there are 200 housewives and some
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: of you guys are literally 20 years younger than the
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: one hit wonders like how are they supposed to remember
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: that this girl was on one season 20 years ago
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: and like and it's it makes for a better housewife
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: if they're not super fans, you know, in my opinion,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: because you're walking in there being more like authentic and
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: focusing on who's in front of you, not what someone's
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: done in the past. So yeah, I thought that was interesting.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: What's the best thing that's come out of the last
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: three years of being on the show for you? And
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: what's the worst?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: I think the best for me is when I joined,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: the reason why I wanted to actually do it was
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: that I would be the first Indian, the first housewife
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: of Indian descent. And I think for me, that was
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: such a big accomplishment because as a culture, we're quite
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: private and we don't really share that much on a
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: national platform like this. And so it was an opportunity
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: for me to really share, you know, where I'm from
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: and my culture and a little bit about like, you know,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: my like sort of upbringing and history. And so that
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: was probably the best thing. I really worked hard to
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: do that. And hopefully I'm doing a good job. And
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: the worst thing, or the, I guess the least favorite
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: thing is just like, you really kind of, I don't know,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: you sort of see the, that people are so openly
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: like ready to, to say the nastiest things to you.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: And they don't, you know, social media of it all.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: Like it just gives, this sort of pathway to like
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: be so cruel. And I think people forget that we're
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: actually real people at the end of this. I don't know,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: it comes with the territory, I guess, but I wish
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: it was a different experience sometimes. And that's really it. Like,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: you know, everything else is a learning curve. I think
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: it's been, you know, the best, I would say, mirror
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: to myself. I love getting feedback from people, whether that's
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: the audience or, my castmates or, you know, anyone that's
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: like giving constructive criticism, like you really learn how to
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: be a better person when you're watching yourself on television.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting thing that not everybody talks about.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like that you can grow. And the
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: negative that I've heard from other housewives is that there's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety and that you get in a
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: fight with somebody or you have an episode that's Perceived poorly,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: poor behavior. And then you know, and you live through
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: it then. And then you have to live through it
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: again when the show airs. And then you have to
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: live through it again at the reunion. And for some people, mentally,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: that's like a hard thing. How is that for you?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I am someone that, you know, has
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: a lot of anxiety and I'm not really a confrontational person. So,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: you know, sort of forced to kind of like speak
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: your mind and do the most. It does give me
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: a lot of anxiety. And then it's like living through,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: you know, yeah, it's like I actually get like very,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: very like almost sick to my stomach every Tuesday when
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: I know that the episode is going to air because...
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: You just, you just, you just know what the repercussions are,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: whether you did something funny or you did something stupid
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: or you said something stupid. I mean, like you can
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: never predict how people will take it.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: And, and, and honestly, how much time do you spend?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Do you think like looking at videos and commentary about
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: yourself and commenting? Because it could be, you know, 10
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: hours a day or you could have discipline and be like, okay,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: I'm going to set a timer. Like, how do you
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: do it to stay? Because I feel like you're handling
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: it pretty well. So I'm curious how you do it.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: That's really the key here is that at the end
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: of the day, you can't control. Once you film, you
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: cannot control what happens after that. So It's just bracing
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: yourself for what is going to happen.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: And I think that for me.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: The reality of like the show versus my real life,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: like it's not like we're not really, you know, they're
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: two separate things. Like you just have to focus on
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: your day to day. I focus on my kids, my work,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: my business. I throw myself into all those things because
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: if you marinate on what's happening on the show, you
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: will absolutely go crazy. And I think, you know, people are,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: there's so much discourse about your behavior, what you did
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: and what you said and, to like dissect all of
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: that and then to absorb all of it, like is
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: really like, it's kind of dangerous for your like mental wellbeing. Yeah.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm assuming like, you know, being that
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: you were the new crew that took over from the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: beloved Real Housewives of New York, which it's, you know, that's,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: you just got placed there. Was that hard to deal
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: with people not wanting to give you guys a chance
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: or constantly comparing you?
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really hard. And we knew it was
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: going to be a tough pill to swallow. I mean,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: we were not trying to replace by any means 13 seasons.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: Of like an iconic franchise.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: I think that for us, it was like the city
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: of New York is ever evolving and we represented what
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: it was in the present day. And I think that
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: like that's something that's really important to consider when you're
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: looking at it you know, through a.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: Lens of like modern day New York. And we all
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: live in.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: Different areas of the city and we come from different
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: backgrounds and it's so diverse. And I think that, you know,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: that fresh take on Roni was so important and so needed.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: And again, like, we kind of followed our own path.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: We're not trying to like replicate or copy or, you know,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: reinvent the wheel here. I think that we really wanted
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 5: to just kind of share our own experiences in.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: The most authentic way. But we did get it. I mean,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: it was it was tough.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: And I think that just now we're starting to see
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: the fan base really kind of pivot and understand and
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: get excited about what this version of Roni is.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I am really enjoying it. I love
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: your cover with all you guys in like the reds
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: and cranberries. And it's great. So if people don't know
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: where to find you and can you give them all
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: your stuff so they can follow you?
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I am on Instagram and it's just at Jessel Tank.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: It's J-E-S-S-E-L-T-A-N-K.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: And that's it. I really don't have any other social.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, great. And the show is on Bravo every Tuesday night, right?
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: Every Tuesday night, 8 p.m. And then on Peacock the
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: next day.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: Streaming on Peacock on Wednesday.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: And yeah, just message me my DMs and say nice things,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: not mean things, and we'll be friends.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Well, listen, I'm ready to hang
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: in New York or on the island because I can
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: make my own coffee. I love a buffet. I love
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: a pool. I will eat in a pool. And I'm
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: all good.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Let's make it happen.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: Well, come on over, Heather. We're ready for you whenever
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: you are. And next time you are in New York,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: you have.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: To hit us up.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: We would love to take you out for dinner.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sure. I'm sure I'll go to the best
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: restaurant because your husband's tried every single one. So I'm
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: not concerned. Thank you so much. Thank you.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: So good seeing you. Bye.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: One reward.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: Endless choice.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Skip the hassle.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: Reward the easy way.