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Episode #248: Dr. Sina Speaks at the MAHA Ball and Joel Disentangles Us From The System · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_00: Kennedy spoke first, and you know, and Oz, and of course, nobody mentioned glyphosate.
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SPEAKER_04: For all the warts and faults of Maha, think about the laundry list of stuff that the average person now knows.
0:13
SPEAKER_04: That we didn't know literally before the last election.
0:16
SPEAKER_04: I mean that RFK Jr.
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SPEAKER_04: has brought it.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I get in there and I'm doing my thing, and first they cheered when I told them how I was fully healed.
0:23
SPEAKER_00: That was unexpected.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I went on to this whole like the power of feed the good and starve the bad.
0:28
SPEAKER_00: So the power of the market.
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SPEAKER_04: Does everything behind that plate of food is that a world you want your kids to inherit?
0:38
SPEAKER_04: Hi, everybody.
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SPEAKER_04: Welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels Podcast with Joel Salatin, the farmer here.
0:47
SPEAKER_04: That would be me, and our favorite researcher, Dr.
0:50
SPEAKER_04: Cena McCullough.
0:52
SPEAKER_04: And we are today uh on a very special set out at our farm uh in the barn with hay behind us and a beautiful uh mid-April day.
1:05
SPEAKER_04: It's supposed to um frost in about three days, we're gonna have in the uh lower 30s.
1:11
SPEAKER_04: But today it's a gorgeous, uh beautiful spring day.
1:14
SPEAKER_04: We need rain, but uh other than that, it's a pretty spring day.
1:18
SPEAKER_04: Sina has just the reason Sina's here is because she has just um on her way back home from a uh summit in D.C.
1:28
SPEAKER_04: with Maha, recognizing people who have stood up against the the system uh or the swamp or whatever you want to call it.
1:38
SPEAKER_04: And uh she's a bit of a hero there, and of course stole the show at the Maha summit and rub shoulders with all the big names.
1:46
SPEAKER_04: And so uh she's gonna give us some of her impressions here on this podcast, and we're gonna discuss some of the um, you know, just what she saw, what she learned, the people she met, and just some of the the philosophical and political ramifications of rubbing shoulders in DC with movers and shakers.
2:08
SPEAKER_04: It's a big deal.
2:09
SPEAKER_04: And so um here to open it up, Ceno.
2:13
SPEAKER_04: What happened?
2:14
SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Joel.
2:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it was very, very exciting.
2:17
SPEAKER_00: I had nothing to wear.
2:19
SPEAKER_00: I had to borrow shoes from a girlfriend and go hunt for a dress.
2:23
SPEAKER_00: So but it it was it was actually an incredible experience.
2:28
SPEAKER_04: You know what's funny about about a woman saying, I had nothing to wear?
2:33
SPEAKER_04: So so women stand in front of a closet full of clothes and say, I have nothing to wear.
2:40
SPEAKER_04: Men go into this little itty-bitty closet, throw on something, and come out and uh and and they find something in a minute.
2:53
SPEAKER_04: But the the woman looks quickly at this and says, You're wearing that, you know?
3:02
SPEAKER_04: Uh uh they're looking for an hour for something to wear.
3:06
SPEAKER_04: The guy finds it in 30 seconds, throws it on, and the woman's anyway.
3:10
SPEAKER_00: It's well, it's funny you say that, because that's exactly what happened to us.
3:13
SPEAKER_00: Exactly what happened.
3:16
SPEAKER_00: Donnie was my plus one, of course, and he pulled out his suit, you know, of course, back collecting dust and you know, the back corners of the closet, and he puts it on, and I said, Oh no, no, no.
3:28
SPEAKER_00: Like, you're not wearing that.
3:31
SPEAKER_00: And I am not like uh, you know, like a prissy girl into clothes and everything, but yes, it was not good.
3:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, I actually had to go to a store to find a dress, which I didn't even know.
3:42
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what stores have these type of cocktail fancy dress?
3:46
SPEAKER_00: And just a girlfriend had to tell me, I literally walk into the store, I'm in like yoga pants, Donnie's oversized sweatshirt, and they I look like a pretty woman moment.
3:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
3:54
SPEAKER_00: And they're like, hmm.
3:56
SPEAKER_00: I walk right up to the lady, I was like, I'm just gonna dress this head on.
3:58
SPEAKER_00: And I said, I am having a pretty woman real life moment here.
4:03
SPEAKER_00: Like I was invited to this event, and she stopped me and she was like, I love that movie.
4:07
SPEAKER_00: And I said, you know, only Hollywood could get us to fall in love with a hooker.
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unknown: Like, really.
4:13
SPEAKER_00: But she loved it.
4:14
SPEAKER_00: She gave me, like, she had just like a course.
4:17
SPEAKER_02: She got you all fixed up.
4:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
4:18
SPEAKER_00: Three women in there were helping me, bringing dresses in and out and whatnot.
4:23
SPEAKER_00: And they're like, Honey, you've got to start wearing more form-fitting clothes.
4:27
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, that's step two down the road, okay?
4:30
SPEAKER_00: Just get me into something that I won't look bad in.
4:33
SPEAKER_00: So anyway, we get it, we drive 11 hours to get to this event, we go.
4:38
SPEAKER_00: And it was really incredible because it was like, you know, homeschooling, homesteading parents that deal with being in dirt and slabber with kids, and now we get like a date.
4:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's like Cinderella in the ashes gets invited to the ball.
4:57
SPEAKER_04: That's right.
4:57
SPEAKER_04: That's exactly the the mentality that this is.
5:00
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
5:01
SPEAKER_04: That's right.
5:01
SPEAKER_04: And is we And that's one reason why it's so intoxicating.
5:03
SPEAKER_04: It is because suddenly, oh wow.
5:06
SPEAKER_00: It is.
5:06
SPEAKER_00: And it was at Ned's Club, which is a members-only exclusive club right next to the White House.
5:11
SPEAKER_00: You have to be there.
5:12
SPEAKER_04: They've had me there before at Ned's Club.
5:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's a it's a whatever, fifth, sixth floor um exclusive deal.
5:20
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
5:20
SPEAKER_00: So you you couldn't even get in the building unless you're on the list.
5:23
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
5:23
SPEAKER_00: Then you got to go through security up to this, you know, special floor.
5:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:27
SPEAKER_00: Um, and security again.
5:30
SPEAKER_00: And I remember we were about to go into the elevator, and I looked at Donnie and I said, I feel like we do not belong here.
5:39
SPEAKER_00: Like, help me feel because I I actually was supposed to give a five-minute speech.
5:44
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
5:44
SPEAKER_00: And I was getting very nervous looking around at all of these people.
5:49
SPEAKER_00: You know, I didn't know many of them, but you know they're of status.
5:53
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people flew in to attend this event from Arizona and all over, so I'm getting quite nervous.
5:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so Donnie was trying to calm me down, and my obviously my topic was about my book.
6:04
SPEAKER_00: And so he looked at me and he said, Well, just remember, they may know a lot of stuff.
6:09
SPEAKER_00: You wrote the book.
6:10
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't think most of the people know more than you know about this.
6:14
SPEAKER_04: So just so everybody knows, I'll hold up the book.
6:17
SPEAKER_04: Hands off.
6:18
SPEAKER_04: It's a rewrite.
6:20
SPEAKER_04: Originally Well, tell us a little bit about it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I originally wrote it, Hands Off My Food, How to Defend Your Food, Health and Freedom.
6:26
SPEAKER_00: I published it, self-published it about nine years ago.
6:29
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
6:30
SPEAKER_00: The editor at the time told me it's a decade too early.
6:33
SPEAKER_00: Well, wasn't she just Boy, she was spot on, spot on.
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SPEAKER_00: Maha.
6:38
SPEAKER_00: And my and by the way, my editor was Donnie's cousin, who always wanted to be an editor, you know, because we didn't we didn't have the money.
6:45
SPEAKER_00: I was a homeschool mom.
6:46
SPEAKER_00: This was just a passion project of mine.
6:48
SPEAKER_00: And I wrote the book to basically detail what I what God showed me was adulterated in the food supply that was leading to so many people, including including myself, getting sick.
7:01
SPEAKER_00: So it it's the only book I really know of that walks you through how we got the FDA and what's happened since, you know, through government policies, regulations, and backdoor deals and revolving door involving industry and the part we played.
7:18
SPEAKER_00: And then it provides solutions.
7:19
SPEAKER_00: So it's a very solution-based.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, I think I think Cena, it's it's um for all the warts and faults of of Maha and and you know uh uh different things, uh there there is there is fracturing and you know, different um whatever fragmenting going on in in Maha for all of its things.
7:43
SPEAKER_04: Think about the laundry list of stuff that the average person now knows that we didn't know literally before the last election.
7:53
SPEAKER_04: I mean that RFK Jr.
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SPEAKER_04: has brought I mean who knew that twelve billion dollars of SNAP money goes to Coca-Cola and Dr.
8:03
SPEAKER_04: Pepper?
8:04
SPEAKER_04: Who knew American Food FDA had approved 10,000 um you know food artificial food additives?
8:13
SPEAKER_04: And then in the last week, who knew who knew that your pediatrician gets money from the federal government for vaccinating your kids?
8:27
SPEAKER_04: I mean, lots of money.
8:30
SPEAKER_04: And so it's uh you know, I I I I'm just thrilled that this kind of stuff is coming up.
8:37
SPEAKER_04: And so when you wrote this book, I I remember the first when I read the first, when you wrote the first one.
8:42
SPEAKER_04: And that's when I suddenly realized, wow, you know, if everybody's watching this, you know, if you want to know the my my epiphenal moment with Cena, because I'm used to to foodies being liberal, we need more government programs, we need, we need more bureaucrats at the FDA, we need more inspectors.
9:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a narrative, right?
9:04
SPEAKER_00: Well, and that's the narrative still amongst many of the Maha movements.
9:07
SPEAKER_04: Right, which is a problem, which is a problem.
9:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
9:09
SPEAKER_04: But when I read your book, I said, wow, here is a foodie libertarian, you know, I mean, we we just I just imagine this this gal's got it together.
9:21
SPEAKER_04: So it was a it was really um, you know, uh a tremendous moment for me, you know, when I first saw, and and now it's this is like uh 20% bigger than the first one.
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SPEAKER_04: Is it because you know more or is it because more bad stuff's happened?
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unknown: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, so this was the fascinating thing.
9:42
SPEAKER_00: So that same editor, Donnie's cousin, yeah, uh about maybe a year ago said to me, this is the time for that book.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: And so you should update this book and republish it.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: And I so I started to look what has changed, and thinking I'm gonna have to do a lot of work, you know, because certainly in a decade a lot of stuff has changed.
10:04
SPEAKER_00: Hardly anything has changed.
10:05
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
10:06
SPEAKER_04: Isn't that something?
10:07
SPEAKER_00: That was the kind of not really shocking, but that would shock most people.
10:11
SPEAKER_00: But once you know the system and how it works, you'll understand why not much happens.
10:16
SPEAKER_00: But it was this epiphany that wow, in ten years, how sad is this that the food supply is still it's actually more adulterated now than it was even 10 years ago.
10:26
SPEAKER_04: So what I did with the people are always asking me, um uh how do you think, you know, government regulations on the farm?
10:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, for direct marketing for farmers, is it getting No, it's it it's not.
10:36
SPEAKER_04: It's it it's just there.
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SPEAKER_04: You know, it doesn't get better.
10:40
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't.
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SPEAKER_00: If anything, so you've got more additives now through the grass loophole than we had ten years ago.
10:46
SPEAKER_00: And you know, now you got the pharmacrops that are uh that I uncovered.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: So so that's what I did in the book.
10:52
SPEAKER_00: I I basically updated each chapter to make sure that everything was cutting edge details.
10:58
SPEAKER_00: And then I added a whole chapter on glyphosate with the current scientific literature supporting different health conditions that are directly linked to glyphosate.
11:08
SPEAKER_00: And then I added an entire chapter on pharmaceutical crops, and that's largely still untalked about even in our foodie circles.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean the the chapter titles just you start in the book with your own sickness journey.
11:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
11:22
SPEAKER_04: Or maybe we should say your own wellness journey.
11:24
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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SPEAKER_04: Your sickness to wellness journey, which is just a fascinating in itself.
11:29
SPEAKER_04: But then you have subsidies, grass, generally recognized as safe.
11:32
SPEAKER_04: Again, that needs to be in in in that needs to be as common in our cultural lexicon as TikTok.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
11:42
SPEAKER_04: Isn't it a shame?
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SPEAKER_04: Everybody knows TikTok, but when you say grass, that's right, eyes glaze, you know, one in a hundred knows what that means.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
11:49
SPEAKER_00: And um and one of the problems with grass if in the Maha movement is that they recognize it, but there's most of them are still asking Kennedy to fix it, and he campaigned on it, and he can't fully close that loophole.
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SPEAKER_00: Congress has to do it.
12:05
SPEAKER_00: And they don't understand because they're not they haven't really done a deep dive into grass.
12:10
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
12:10
SPEAKER_00: And so that's part of the misplaced expectations put on Kennedy.
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SPEAKER_04: Right, that's good, that's good.
12:15
SPEAKER_04: And so but this this goes into the history of it.
12:18
SPEAKER_04: And oh uh RBGH, remember that?
12:20
SPEAKER_04: That was a big deal.
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SPEAKER_04: Uh genetically modified organisms, um, now glyphosate, she calls it the Trojan horse, pharmaceutical crops, you know, where they're trying to put uh drugs into lettuce and and and things, you know, um the dietary guidelines, the whole uh pyramid deception.
12:37
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's it's just I mean, this is yeah, I can't recommend it enough.
12:42
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
12:43
SPEAKER_04: Well certainly needs to get this book.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: It's certainly if you were trusting government to solve this problem for you, after you read that book, you will realize it will not come from government or industry.
12:55
SPEAKER_00: It comes from the people.
12:56
SPEAKER_00: Like the only hope is we the people.
12:58
SPEAKER_04: So so now we have a we have a a partner book coming.
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SPEAKER_04: Mine is coming out in August, about August 1st, Food Emancipation Unshackling America's Sustenance.
13:11
SPEAKER_04: And uh it's written, it's in editing now, it's in you know, design graphics, blah, blah, blah.
13:16
SPEAKER_04: But um uh because because if you if you say government can't solve it, then it's up to me.
13:24
SPEAKER_04: Well, then you have to have a personal agenda.
13:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:27
SPEAKER_04: And that's that's quite intimidating actually uh for people.
13:31
SPEAKER_04: But you know, you're not you're not suggesting that you take on the government, you're just saying exit.
13:38
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
13:39
SPEAKER_00: So I'm helping you, I give solutions in every chapter and then the whole section at the end about how you can be part of the solution and not the problem.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: And so part of it is directing you toward like in the grocery store, look for this.
13:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, like online you can look for this.
13:53
SPEAKER_00: If you want to put money towards supporting a cause, here's some reputable third-party organizations that are doing something to actually help the food supply.
14:03
SPEAKER_00: So I do try to give you different options of how you can because the whole per point of the book is to become aware, but then empowered and give you actionable items.
14:13
SPEAKER_00: It's like what we talk about.
14:14
SPEAKER_00: We need to move the market and we have to get over a tipping point.
14:18
SPEAKER_00: So to do that, you need it's estimated roughly 10% of the population.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: And that's the same thing.
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SPEAKER_04: That's what that's what Sally Fallon has always said.
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SPEAKER_04: Because uh the truth is that the um, you know, the the the margins are so tight in the industry.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, from the farm gate all the way to the to the grocery chain, uh that that a ten percent move is is huge.
14:43
SPEAKER_04: It's huge.
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SPEAKER_00: It's huge.
14:44
SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't take that many people, you think.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just ten percent.
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SPEAKER_00: Like we have enough people in the quote unquote fooding movement itself to be that ten percent, but we need them to basically understand the power of the free market solution so that we can have momentum moving forward.
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SPEAKER_04: What do you what do you think is the if you say we do have ten percent in that, let's just say the the the food carrying end of the spectrum, okay you know, intentional.
15:15
SPEAKER_04: Um why doesn't it?
15:17
SPEAKER_04: I mean are they because is it because they just they just buy industry organic and don't or or what what is the so what's the weak link?
15:29
SPEAKER_00: All right, since you called me out on it, so it's lack of principle.
15:34
SPEAKER_04: Lack of principle.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: It's lack of principle.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: So I'm a very principled eater, is what I say, because every penny you spend supports something, every penny matters.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: And so when I eat, it's not just to maintain the health that I have now achieved.
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SPEAKER_00: It's because I understand what I'm contributing to.
15:54
SPEAKER_00: I understand what we're building.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: And it's okay that most people don't think that way.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think if we could shift our mindset toward what I am buying in this like one snack food is making a difference, it it does send the message to the company that I'm willing to eat that, versus I'm gonna go eat this ice cream that was, you know, from a regenerative farm or organic farm, and there's no grass chemicals or emulsifiers or additives in it.
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SPEAKER_00: That's also sending a message, but it's a very different message.
16:30
SPEAKER_00: So I've been around a lot of people in the food movement, especially since this book was launched.
16:35
SPEAKER_00: And so you get to see what they're eating and you know on the day-to-day, and there are a handful of them that are very principled, um, like Dr.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: Berg.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I spent time with him and he he walks the talk.
16:49
SPEAKER_00: And then there are some that just aren't.
16:52
SPEAKER_00: And I think part of that is because two things.
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SPEAKER_00: I think one, like I said, they're not understanding that every single decision matters, that it it does send a message.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: They don't understand the impact that they have.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: I think part of that is because in our culture we think we're we feel kind of marginalized.
17:13
SPEAKER_00: Like how much can one person make a difference?
17:17
SPEAKER_00: Um and I think the second reason is because they are waiting for that top-down savior.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: And so they think someone else is ultimately gonna fix it for me.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: And because of everything I uncovered in this book, I know that's not true.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: And so for me, I'm like, I'm doing this every purchase I make is planting a seed that my children and grandchildren will reap tomorrow.
17:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's an it's an investment.
17:43
SPEAKER_04: It is.
17:43
SPEAKER_04: It's an investment.
17:44
SPEAKER_04: It's like a uh you know, what I what I try to encourage people is w when you look at the food on your plate, squint your eyes, look through the food, and real there there's a whole uh uh tapestry that that that brought that food to your plate.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
18:00
SPEAKER_04: I mean, starting at at the farm or even before the farm, uh to the picking, the processing, the harvesting, the distribution, and all that.
18:08
SPEAKER_04: And and does all does does does everything behind that plate of food is that a world you want your kids to inherit?
18:18
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
18:18
SPEAKER_04: I mean it it it's such a it's such a simple idea and um it's but but it's but but it takes it takes thought.
18:30
SPEAKER_04: You you you can't just discipline yeah, and and discipline.
18:33
SPEAKER_04: And when you realize that 70 for five percent of the food Americans eat is convenience food, which means it was pr you know prepared, processed, packaged, and preserved outside the home, we have we have fundamentally abdicated a participatory relationship with our sustenance.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:58
SPEAKER_04: And of course, the big companies love it so.
19:01
SPEAKER_00: They do.
19:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh, they do.
19:02
SPEAKER_00: They want us lulled back into this false, you know, security, false sense of security.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's interesting you mentioned that because um before I jump into the speech and whatnot, I met a woman there who came up to me after my speech, and her husband's a surgeon.
19:18
SPEAKER_00: And um in my speech, I um acknowledged Donnie and basically saying that he's the reason that I'm even there, because when I told him that my childhood dream was to write a book, um, he fully supported me.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: And then I asked, what should I write about?
19:34
SPEAKER_00: And he said, You should write about what you know.
19:35
SPEAKER_00: You're an expert in food, you love politics, write about the politics in our food.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: And I looked at him like he was crazy, and I was like, There's no politics in food.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: No politics in food.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'm and I'd so and I joked, I was like, that that is probably the one time in our marriage that he was actually right.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: And like everyone laughed.
19:53
SPEAKER_00: But it's because of him that I'm even here with you now because that's how disillusioned I was.
19:58
SPEAKER_00: Like the veil over my eyes was thick.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, but anyway, I had said that um just in joke, that behind every woman who is exposing world a worldwide food corrupt system is a husband who probably just wanted her to have a quiet hobby.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: And this was not like that night was not what he expected.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm really glad I said that because this woman came up with her husband who's a surgeon, and she said, as soon as you said that, I thought, that's us, because he's a surgeon, I don't have to work, I can retire.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:36
SPEAKER_00: But I chose to challenge the system.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: So you know what she's doing?
20:40
SPEAKER_00: She has this company that she has created from the ground up, and she is uh because she said, Yeah, we want people to get to the farm.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: Like that's the ideal, that and growing their own food.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: Most people are not going to do that.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: So she is filling this void that she calls it, this gap, where she is finding farmers that are like you, and she is getting their produce and sh and their products, and she is basically manufacturing them into healthier versions of convenience food and distributes them.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: And so we're gonna be talking this next week to see, you know, how I can help her on that journey.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: But I thought how inspiring, how positive to come out of this evening that there are these great people who, like she said, she could just sit back and have a life of leisure, and she's not, she's being part of the solution.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: She su she recognizes something, a gap, and she recognizes human behavior and realizes they're not there yet, and so she's trying to help people where they are, like meet them where they are.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: I thought that was amazing.
21:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
21:44
SPEAKER_04: Um you know, I'm I'm a chicken pot pie fan.
21:47
SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, chicken pot pie does not have to have red dye twenty nine, MSG, and glycerin in it.
21:53
SPEAKER_04: It it it really doesn't.
21:55
SPEAKER_04: And it shouldn't.
21:55
SPEAKER_04: And and it shouldn't, and it shouldn't.
21:57
SPEAKER_04: And um and so uh I I've kind of come to this, I think we've talked about this, that I'm I'm done, whatever, um nailing people's feet to the wall for for convenience.
22:11
SPEAKER_04: Uh I mean our convenience food is is you know, we freeze stuff, we have leftovers, we I mean, there's a lot of ways you can build convenience into your own domestic culinary arts.
22:25
SPEAKER_04: But I mean, we've got we've got a generation now of people that are literally scared to boil water.
22:31
SPEAKER_04: Uh I mean I was at the food co-op, one of the food cops we delivered to, and I'm looking uh I I'm always, you know, looking at what is out there, and here are pre uh uh uh hard-boiled eggs with the shells off of them in a in a plastic clam for$25 a dozen.
23:00
SPEAKER_04: And I'm thinking, are you kidding me?
23:04
SPEAKER_04: Who can't boil an egg and pe and and peel the shell off?
23:08
SPEAKER_04: You know, yeah, but but but that's where we've come in our society.
23:12
SPEAKER_04: And so uh the truth is there are people that buy that, and so can we get them good?
23:19
SPEAKER_04: You know, pre-boiled eggs, you know, with the shell off.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
23:24
SPEAKER_04: For people like me, that seems just preposterously silly, yeah, you know, to even talk.
23:30
SPEAKER_04: But um, but you know, the unknown is scary.
23:35
SPEAKER_04: It it's fearful.
23:37
SPEAKER_04: And if you haven't been acquainted with this, I mean I have people that how do you make a hamburger?
23:44
SPEAKER_04: You know, I mean, yeah, they're they're coming off of you know 10 years of veganism or whatever, you know.
23:50
SPEAKER_04: I mean, any number of things, and suddenly, wow, you know, this is all intimidating.
23:55
SPEAKER_04: So what did what did you say?
23:56
SPEAKER_04: What was your yeah what was your talk?
23:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so yeah, so this was really great.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like Kennedy was there, Dr.
24:02
SPEAKER_00: Oz, Dr.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: Burke, like Jan from the Epoch Times, Armstrong Williams.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: Dr.
24:07
SPEAKER_04: Robert Malone was not.
24:08
SPEAKER_00: He was not there.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: Um Callie Means was there.
24:10
SPEAKER_04: He's the one just resigned from that.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he just left.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: I was hoping he was there.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but no.
24:15
SPEAKER_04: He's a wonderful man.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I yeah.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, lots of different people.
24:20
SPEAKER_04: And so Yeah, big wheels.
24:21
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: So it was and Kennedy spoke first, and you know, and Oz, and of course, nobody mentioned glyphosate like at all.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like taboo topic now, don't don't bring it up, apparently.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: So um I oh, and our friend John Clark was there.
24:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: Um so I basically went up there and uh you know, gave my thanks, and I thank Tony, Tony Lyons, uh head of the Maha movement, who published the book.
24:50
SPEAKER_04: And um Yeah, it's uh Sky Horse, Sky Horse Publishing.
24:54
SPEAKER_04: It's a pr it's a pretty brand new publishing house.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:58
SPEAKER_04: But uh but they are they are hitting the ground running.
25:01
SPEAKER_04: I mean, Tony Lyons is a he's a force of nature.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: He really is.
25:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he published Milani's book, Melani Trump, uh Kennedy's book, uh, you know, so I think Rand Paul's book, but anyhow, yes, he is a force of nature.
25:13
SPEAKER_04: He asked to publish mine, yeah, but uh I won't let anybody else publish it.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: Well now I know why.
25:19
SPEAKER_04: I've gone down that road twice and both of them have been disappointing.
25:25
unknown: Yeah.
25:25
SPEAKER_04: Strike out twice, you know, fool me once, fool me twice, you're not gonna fool me three times.
25:30
SPEAKER_04: I I mean I I don't hate publishers, but man, it's a you don't own it, you don't control it, you you know uh and they take a huge percentage.
25:39
SPEAKER_04: And they take a huge, huge percentage.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:42
SPEAKER_04: And uh so anyway.
25:43
SPEAKER_04: Well and I was really shy.
25:45
SPEAKER_04: But but he he's a good man.
25:46
SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know, uh that's no no disparaging here.
25:48
SPEAKER_04: It's just it's just a it's just a beast of a business, that's all.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: It is, it is.
25:53
SPEAKER_00: And they have to make a profit somehow too.
25:55
SPEAKER_00: So it's business.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: Um I was actually surprised from the very beginning that he was willing to publish my book because it's as you can attest, it's not a maha book.
26:04
SPEAKER_04: No, no.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: Like at all.
26:05
SPEAKER_04: Like no, it it's something that would the the Libertarian National Party would, you know, um would would publish.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, but not Maha because I'm calling out government and I'm literally saying they are not the solution.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: Right.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: They can get little perceived wins every now and then, but they're but it's not a solution.
26:25
SPEAKER_00: Just like we talked about getting the synthetic dyes out, and now you have the natural dyes, but those are still often processed with industrial compounds like hexane.
26:35
SPEAKER_00: So it's you know, it's an illusion.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: But anyhow, I was always surprised.
26:39
SPEAKER_04: What did you say?
26:40
SPEAKER_04: So, okay.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I um so Tony was there and he introduced each person.
26:46
SPEAKER_00: And when he introduced me, I I don't know that he really knows me that well, even though he, you know, published the book.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: Clearly he's read it.
26:54
SPEAKER_00: So um when he introduced me, he just said, here's Cinema Cullah.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he didn't say anything else about me, like no intro at all.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: It was just he looked at me, he saw I was there, and he's like, and here's Cinema Cullah.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, like it's already taken back.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: What do I say?
27:11
SPEAKER_00: And they're really specific.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: You have four minutes and 50 seconds.
27:14
SPEAKER_00: Like that's it.
27:15
SPEAKER_00: Like, we're gonna yank you off that stage, you know?
27:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
27:17
SPEAKER_00: So I walked up there and I was like, hi.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: And luckily I had a copy of the book next to me.
27:22
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, hi, I'm Dr.
27:24
SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough, and I wrote this book.
27:26
SPEAKER_00: And because everyone's looking around like, why is she here?
27:29
SPEAKER_00: What is she doing?
27:29
SPEAKER_00: You know?
27:30
SPEAKER_00: Were they all standing up?
27:31
SPEAKER_00: Everyone's standing.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: So you're in a couple of years.
27:33
SPEAKER_04: When I was there at the same time, I was there at a at a Christmas party thing, all right, uh uh deal.
27:38
SPEAKER_04: Um and and I I said, Can you people not afford chairs?
27:43
SPEAKER_04: Are you kidding me?
27:44
SPEAKER_04: I mean, for for whatever, two and a half hours, three hours?
27:48
SPEAKER_04: Uh look, I'm a farmer.
27:50
SPEAKER_04: I'm out walking all day.
27:51
SPEAKER_04: When I get near a chair, I sit down.
27:54
SPEAKER_04: You know, I mean, I I'm not I'm not sitting all day.
27:58
SPEAKER_04: I I want to find a place to sit anyway.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: No, it was standing room only.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: It was and there's like uh you know up to 300 people up there packed in this room.
28:06
SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right, right.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so and I'm pretty sure, and I'm at this podium and I'm like, hee! Like, here I am.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: Like so um so I did start off by thanking him and making the jokes about Johnny and stuff.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: And then um a really brief thing about like maybe three sentences about my health journey so they understood this is the motivation.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: And I went right into what I've learned.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: But you know, I was really excited about my talk, and I've given it to Nolan so he could share it with our listeners, because I've always wanted to be a motivational speaker, and somehow I stepped into it like for the first time, to the point where people cheered, like in the middle of my speech, they were cheering.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: And you gotta let me set the stage.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: The other people who spoke in front of me, it was like quiet, kind of like a dead audience, you know, and like the obligatory clapping at the end.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: Um so I was like, oh, not not a real lively crowd.
29:02
SPEAKER_00: And so I get in there and I'm doing my my thing, and first they cheered when I told them how I was fully healed.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: That I was on a that was unexpected, you know.
29:10
SPEAKER_00: And then I went on to this whole like the power of feed the good and starve the bad.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: So the power of the market.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: And that was really important for me because even though I'm at this Maha event being recognized, uh, you know, being basically elevated to this status and recognized, it was really important to me that I stay true to my principle of, you know, I'm a free market solution person.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: And so I did not praise the government, I called it out how it is, and basically told him, like, we have the people, we the people have the power to turn this around, the power of your decision, and I even I had some kind of line in there, because you know, like you have notes and then you it just the energy just takes over you and comes out.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: That's what happened.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: And I had some line with this intensity um in this rhythm in my voice that I could probably never repeat, but it was I said something about our food, our family, and our freedom is not for sale.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: And everybody went crazy for that.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: And I looked over at Tony and he was like, wow.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: And like, again, four minutes and fifty seconds.
30:19
SPEAKER_00: And Donnie was over there holding his phone recording, he was right next to Tony.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: Tony looked at Donnie at least three times and said, Wow, she's good.
30:29
SPEAKER_04: And so even though I think the first time I heard you speak down here in Richmond that time, I thought, man, this gal's good.
30:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, right.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: And here I am totally like, I don't belong here.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: And Tony's like, she's good, and people are cheering.
30:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they cheered at the end.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: And I was shocked because Tony came over.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: Again, I always wondered why was he willing to publish my book?
30:48
SPEAKER_00: Because it's not Maha.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: And I'm standing up there with a non-Maha message.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: People are loving it.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: Tony comes up with the book after, you know, I'm still on the stage, handing him the microphone, he hugs me.
31:00
SPEAKER_03: This book, just to make sure everybody gets it this book right here.
31:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he hugs me, and then he gives a little spiel to the audience, basically saying the the mess the point of his message was she has a different opinion, and I support that.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: Everybody should read this book because it's okay for us to have different opinions.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: And I was shocked.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, whoa, he admitted it.
31:27
SPEAKER_00: Like he actually did read the book, like, because I thought maybe it's a mistake.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: Maybe he thought this book was a Baha book and that's why he published it.
31:33
SPEAKER_00: But no, he knew it was a different opinion and even gave me that platform to preach about it and then supported me afterwards.
31:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that see, and that's the way I've felt um uh uh you know, my my books are not published by just but distributed by Chelsea Green Publishing.
31:52
SPEAKER_04: And Chelsea Green has been a, you know, I mean, it's its core from day one was kind of, you know, liberal ecology, tree hugger, earth muffin, you know, uh kind of thing.
32:05
SPEAKER_04: And um and I have always just really appreciated their their loyalty and their willingness to go.
32:16
SPEAKER_04: And then they they published um, you know, uh RFK Jr.'s book on Dr.
32:20
SPEAKER_04: Fauci, um you know, and um and got excoriated for it.
32:27
SPEAKER_04: Uh but you know the the these these things it it's it's interesting how political bedfellas get and and and and and this this is the problem with things like you know RFK endorsing the and I'll just I'll just put it out there, the the presidential um uh executive order, uh that glyphosate.
32:52
SPEAKER_04: I mean, let's realize this is the first time in American history that any single product has ever been elevated to a um pen doesn't work.
33:07
SPEAKER_00: I know! Brand new pen Teresa gave me to use.
33:10
SPEAKER_04: It doesn't work.
33:11
SPEAKER_02: Did it not work at all?
33:12
SPEAKER_02: Ever?
33:13
SPEAKER_00: It worked for a moment over here.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay, now it's working again.
33:17
SPEAKER_04: Okay I'm like um so so what um what's developed is these is these you get into situations like this and everybody's got an idea.
33:40
SPEAKER_04: Everybody has an idea.
33:42
SPEAKER_04: And I I can tell you, um, before we went on air, I was telling you that I just did a uh a Bloomberg interview uh for Bloomberg News um for 40 minutes just yesterday um on the fracturing of the Maha movement based on this executive order for glyphosate.
34:02
SPEAKER_04: And it's the first time in American history that any product has ever been elevated to national security status.
34:10
SPEAKER_04: I mean, think about all the things that could have been elevated to national to national security status, and it's glyphosate.
34:17
SPEAKER_04: It's always been groups of things like precious metals or food or you know, whatever, but but it but it's never been um it's never been a particular product.
34:27
SPEAKER_04: So this is the first time this has happened.
34:30
SPEAKER_04: And um and and so, you know, I I'm disappointed.
34:34
SPEAKER_04: I think a lot of people are disappointed.
34:36
SPEAKER_04: Uh Zen Honeycutt is certainly disappointed.
34:39
SPEAKER_04: Um but then I got to thinking, you know, I got to thinking Years ago, I was in a I was in a business arrangement with a guy who we couldn't have been more different.
34:56
SPEAKER_04: Uh I was a conservative libertarian, he was a liberal, you know.
35:03
SPEAKER_04: Um I mean, if if if if there wasn't if there was not a government solution, then there was no solution, you know.
35:10
SPEAKER_04: And we were in this business together, and I'm I'm philosophically opposed to government grants.
35:16
SPEAKER_04: I just, you know, the government has to steal the money from somebody in order to get it, and um, I'm just opposed to government grants.
35:24
SPEAKER_04: Well, he he wanted the business to get this government grant.
35:28
SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, you know, we this is easy money, I can fill out the paperwork and do it.
35:31
SPEAKER_04: And I was no, no, no, no.
35:33
SPEAKER_04: And I mean, we came almost to fisticuffs over this thing.
35:37
SPEAKER_04: And um and it got so uh onerous that that I finally gave in and said, All right, but it's not gonna happen again.
35:51
SPEAKER_04: I'll I'll I I'll I'll sign because we were partners, I we both had to sign a form.
35:56
SPEAKER_04: And I said, I'll do it this time, but don't come to me again with this.
36:00
SPEAKER_04: And as I was thinking about all that, you know, with RFK Jr.
36:04
SPEAKER_04: and all that, um I I got a little tender spot for I i it's hard if you've never been in that kind of pressure in a situation, it it's hard to put yourself in the sh to to appreciate the the um I don't know, the well just the the the pressure to uh to go along, you know, and and and and and and um that was one time in my life when I you know after I I felt so compromised, I felt man, this is not me.
36:42
SPEAKER_04: This I mean, I just felt like I'd fallen in a septic tank, you know.
36:46
SPEAKER_04: Um but I did it and um and it was the deed was done and it was and we never did it again.
36:54
SPEAKER_04: Okay, but but but but I understand that, you know.
36:57
SPEAKER_04: A one-off, a a thing, I mean it's just it's just hard.
37:01
SPEAKER_04: And and when you get in there and everybody's, you know, got their cocktails and their rubbing shoulders and you realize you're in the you're in the the height of American power, um, it's intoxicating.
37:16
SPEAKER_00: It really is.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: And this experience helped me to relate to Kennedy and all of them more on a personal level because that's exactly how I felt.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: It's like you've got the top dogs in there and and it is super fancy, it's exclusive, like it's new to you, it felt like royalty.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:36
SPEAKER_04: You know, and even it's as close to royalty as Americans come.
37:39
SPEAKER_04: That's right.
37:40
SPEAKER_04: Exactly right.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: Unless you're like actually the president in the White House.
37:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, if you get invited, if you hey uh when you get invited to Mar-a-Lago, you know, then then you'll know you.
37:48
SPEAKER_04: I mean, Ned's Club is like, you know, it's it's just a little bit under uh Mar-a-Lago.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh, great.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: Now I have something else to strike you.
37:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:56
unknown: Yeah.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: No, but it is intoxicating because even like um because especially when somebody recognizes you.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: So I didn't know most of the people there.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: Luckily, Hilda was there, my friend Halistic Hilda was there introducing me to some people, like Jan from the Epoch Times.
38:14
SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
38:14
SPEAKER_00: But what happened was, you know, Kennedy's very protected.
38:17
SPEAKER_00: So he's not just you know hanging out.
38:20
SPEAKER_04: He's got he's got uh bodyguards.
38:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: And he doesn't sit there and socialize at this party, even though it's a cocktail party, he's not out there on the floor, either is Dr.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: Oz.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: And so they have a gamut of bodyguards.
38:34
SPEAKER_03: Right.
38:34
SPEAKER_00: But you know, it was fascinating because, you know, so Kennedy comes in from this room.
38:38
SPEAKER_03: There's a whole aura.
38:39
SPEAKER_03: There's a whole aura, isn't there?
38:41
SPEAKER_00: And the and the bodyguards are already lined up.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: He only walks along the walls.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: Like he won't go in, you know, be surrounded by anybody.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: So he's walking along the wall, bodyguards are lined up on there.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: He gets on the stage and they're still lined up.
38:55
SPEAKER_00: And you can tell there's bodyguards in the in what I think is bodyguards in the audience.
38:59
SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell, well they they all they all have a bigger neck than their head, you know, and they all got wires coming out of their ears.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: Yes, and they look so serious.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:07
SPEAKER_00: Like you don't want to no joking around them whatsoever, you know.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: And then I could tell, and I didn't know when I was speaking at all, but I could tell that he was gonna be leaving.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: And so, and I wanted to at least try to shake his hand, you know?
39:20
SPEAKER_00: So I can just tell my kids, look, I shook his hand, I touched him, you know.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: So he gets off the stage and it's a short walk to get back into that room.
39:27
SPEAKER_00: Bodyguards everywhere, I run to the end right before he's gonna get into the door and leave.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: And I'm taking photos, and he walks over and I held my hand out to shake his hand.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: He looks at me, he and he shook, he held his hand out, grabbed my hand, and I said of Secretary Kennedy, and he cuts me off mid-sentence, and because I I actually didn't even know what I was gonna say.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: But I was like, Secretary Kennedy, uh like you know, can I take a picture with you or whatever?
39:57
SPEAKER_00: He cuts me off mid-seconds because he looks me in the eye at that point, he cuts me off, he recognized me.
40:03
SPEAKER_00: I couldn't believe it.
40:04
SPEAKER_00: He leaned over and kissed me on my cheek, and he was like, Hi, like, like, and he, and let me just he did not kiss other people on the cheek.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: Like this was it, and even Hilda told me after, that's not usual.
40:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
40:14
SPEAKER_00: And then I said to him, Can I take a picture with you?
40:17
SPEAKER_00: And he said, sure.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: So I throw the camera at some stranger next to me, and I'm like, Yeah, and so he quick, and I actually did say, I was like, I wish Joel was here.
40:25
SPEAKER_00: He could take a picture together with us.
40:26
SPEAKER_00: He was like, Yes, like you know.
40:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
40:29
SPEAKER_00: And then bam, he was just gone.
40:32
SPEAKER_02: Whisp away.
40:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
40:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but then I did, Dr.
40:34
SPEAKER_00: Oz followed after him with like hardly any bodyguards.
40:37
SPEAKER_00: And so I was able to actually stop and talk to him and I got a picture with him.
40:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's so it's this whole thing, like you're hobnobbing with this, you know, you this thing, it's elegant, it's this it's like exclusive, and then they recognize you, and then after that is when I went on the stage, and then they're cheering for you, and someone who doesn't even have the same like, you know, solutions is cheering you on.
41:04
SPEAKER_00: Afterward, because then people knew who I was.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: So afterwards people are coming up and because Tony had tons of books for you know for free.
41:11
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: Handing out the books, and he and everyone, let me have your autograph.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: You're amazing, you're so awesome, let me get a picture with you.
41:18
SPEAKER_04: And they're like and and and an hour before You're no one.
41:22
SPEAKER_04: You were y you weren't even in their in their radar.
41:25
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
41:26
SPEAKER_04: In their radar, yeah.
41:26
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
41:27
SPEAKER_00: And so I said to Donnie right then and there, because he was he was joking around.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: There's this huge plant next to me where at my signing station, and Donnie was standing in front of the plant, and people would come up and he they were like, Who are you?
41:40
SPEAKER_00: And he was like, Oh, I'm the bodyguard for the plant.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know.
41:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:45
SPEAKER_00: And then literally they would be they would find out he was my husband, because you know, I recognized him in the um in my speech.
41:51
SPEAKER_04: He should have just said, I'm the wind beneath her wings.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
41:54
SPEAKER_04: That would have been a nice.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: And even Donnie said it was crazy because people were wanting to talk to him just because he was associated with me and like asking him questions about me and all this stuff.
42:04
SPEAKER_00: And I leaned over to Donnie at one point and I said to him, Now I understand the allure.
42:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:10
SPEAKER_00: All of it.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: Because literally we got in the car, Hilda drove us back to our Airbnb, and I was like, I want to move to DC.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: Like, could you imagine?
42:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh, because after, you know, after I was such a hit, um, Tony and them offered me a standing invitation to attend anytime I want to one of their cocktail parties, which they also said that was like an unusual thing.
42:31
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, oh, I must have done something right, you know.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: But so anyway, could you imagine how much easier it would be in your career to gain momentum if you're invited, you're going to these parties like every month, eating, meeting all these people, you know.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: Oh, and by the way, the food was they they did walk the talk in the food.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: It was it was a whole uh real food.
42:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
42:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: They were slicing meat right then and there, you know.
42:58
SPEAKER_00: So I was happy to see that.
43:00
SPEAKER_00: Because how many times have you gone to an event where they're espousing how health and healthy food, and then they feed you like a Cisco truck.
43:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:09
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it it's such it's a hypocritical thing.
43:11
SPEAKER_00: So they did deliver there.
43:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I literally was like, we're moving to DC, and this will be great for our family and stuff.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: And Donnie looks at me, uh, and Donnie usually lets me have my dreams and just follows along.
43:22
SPEAKER_00: He looks right at me and he goes, No.
43:25
SPEAKER_00: Like And then of course I uh you know, I track my sleep with the sun.
43:30
SPEAKER_00: I couldn't sleep until one in the morning.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: I was so excited.
43:33
SPEAKER_00: But then the next day, as we were packing up and leaving, I was like, Yeah, we're not gonna live here.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: But you know, it's that whole point of how easily you can get sucked into it, like even the most principled person.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: And then that's how it starts, right?
43:49
SPEAKER_00: And then you you you feel welcomed, you feel loved, you feel that support that that you've longed for, because we're kind of we're kind of anomalies.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: And I in the food movement.
44:01
SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
44:02
SPEAKER_04: We're Mavericks.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: So to have a group that has still has a lot of power welcome you in the fold and say, I know you're different, but I'm still going to support you.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: And then you can just imagine what would come, what could potentially come next, the little compromises that you make.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, no, I need some I'm grateful, so grateful, but I need distance, you know?
44:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean that you, you know, so so you get you know you get the call and we're we're launching a you know, we're launching a certification program.
44:31
SPEAKER_04: We want you to be on the advisory board.
44:33
SPEAKER_04: And so they launch a certification program.
44:35
SPEAKER_04: And and so now you're on an advisory board, and then you're you're you're examining this or that, you know, is this acceptable or not acceptable?
44:43
SPEAKER_04: And and you just and and then you you don't want to irritate, you don't want to be, you know, uh a pain in the petunia, as they say.
44:53
SPEAKER_04: And and so you so you go along, you get along, you go along, and and before you know it, you're you're down a down a slope.
45:02
SPEAKER_04: I mean it the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life.
45:06
SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's the you know, that's the those are the the three great um you know um attractions of of the human you know the fallen human nature and uh and it's it's real.
45:25
SPEAKER_04: It's it's real.
45:27
SPEAKER_04: It takes it takes a lot to uh I've I've put a speech together that I do we're about out of time here, but I put a speech together that I've done some for the uh homesteading community on um it's called uh disentangling from the system.
45:45
SPEAKER_04: And basically I take ten things that that most people yearn for.
45:54
SPEAKER_04: In other words, if you want to disentangle, a lot of people want to disentangle from the system.
45:58
SPEAKER_04: Man, I'm tired of this and you know.
46:01
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so you say, well, um what are you doing that's opposite of what the system wants?
46:08
SPEAKER_04: I mean, if you want to disentangle, obviously your your your the word picture is I'm untying knots and I'm you know and I'm I'm going a different direction.
46:19
SPEAKER_04: So if if the system is this and you want to disentangle from it, you want to go this way, well, what are the things the system yearns for?
46:30
SPEAKER_04: What would be opposite of those things?
46:32
SPEAKER_04: So I've got this thing.
46:34
SPEAKER_04: And it it it's it's really eye-opening.
46:36
SPEAKER_04: I mean, like like um uh the the first one is um earn as little as you can.
46:43
SPEAKER_04: Earn as earn earn um, in other words, uh most people are always trying to earn as much as they can.
46:49
unknown: Yeah.
46:50
SPEAKER_04: But earn as lit uh earn as little as you need to live on.
46:55
SPEAKER_04: So you pare down your living expenses, because what happens is, you know, you earn this much, suddenly your expenditures move to that level, and then you earn this much, and your expenditures move to that level.
47:07
SPEAKER_04: And you, you know, um I'm I'm always fascinated by the you know, the folks who call Dave Ramsey, you know, the um economic uh financial guru and uh total money makeover.
47:19
SPEAKER_04: And you know, how much do you earn?
47:20
SPEAKER_04: Well, I you know, I earn a hundred and you know a hundred and twenty, my husband earns a hundred and eighty and uh a year, and um and and we just have all this debt.
47:29
SPEAKER_04: We just we just can't make it.
47:31
SPEAKER_04: Three hundred thousand dollars a year and and you know, and you can't make it.
47:34
SPEAKER_04: Are you are you for real?
47:36
SPEAKER_04: And um But you know, that's that's one of course another one of mine is is uh reducing digital.
47:45
SPEAKER_00: Like screen time?
47:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah well everything.
47:49
SPEAKER_04: Um you can pay cash, you can you can write checks, you can uh just just you know the whole yeah, but but mainly screen time, you know.
47:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, get off of all that.
48:00
SPEAKER_04: So anyway, it's it's just an interesting, interesting talk and and people, you know, it's pretty it's pretty quizzical.
48:06
SPEAKER_04: I mean th the the culture's all about convenience food, well you be non-convenience food.
48:11
SPEAKER_04: You know.
48:12
SPEAKER_04: And the the society abandons their kitchen, well you embrace your kitchen, you know.
48:18
SPEAKER_04: Opposite.
48:18
SPEAKER_04: That's the way you disentangle from this allure, from this allure of the system.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go counterculture.
48:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go and that's what I knew.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: Like so the next day when we when I woke up, I said, you know, I need to get back home, back with my kids, like back on our land and hands in the dirt, and to to literally ground myself, but you know, right also like mentally ground to bring me back to reality.
48:45
SPEAKER_04: Well, so so think so think about the such a great point you've made here today.
48:53
SPEAKER_04: Think think about what it's like to live in that all the time.
48:57
SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know, the celebrity culture, whether it's Hollywood celebrity, entertainment celebrity, or political celebrity.
49:04
SPEAKER_04: I mean, to to live in that all the time is just, I mean, I know, I know now, you know, when I I I travel a lot, speak, and and routinely people recognize me in the airport.
49:16
SPEAKER_04: You know, and so I'll hear my name, you know, somebody calls.
49:19
SPEAKER_04: And I mean, I can't imagine, and I I'm in, I'm in nothing, you know, I'm nothing.
49:24
SPEAKER_04: But imagine being a true celebrity.
49:28
SPEAKER_04: And I mean you couldn't you couldn't go out of your house.
49:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
49:32
SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's it's a it's a real problem.
49:36
SPEAKER_04: And and so it would take it takes real fortitude of of of character to be able to withstand all the temptations around you know that the elite Yeah.
49:53
SPEAKER_00: I mean I only feel so bad for them because right, they like they have tons of money.
49:58
SPEAKER_00: It's talk about convenience.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: Lots of power.
50:01
SPEAKER_00: They have lots of yeah, they can get practically anything they want.
50:04
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
50:04
SPEAKER_00: And and I mean, and we all choose.
50:06
SPEAKER_00: We all choose our path.
50:07
SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right.
50:08
SPEAKER_00: Um it would be n, you know them not having all the privacy and stuff, that's unfortunate, but also take responsibility.
50:17
SPEAKER_00: They chose that path.
50:18
SPEAKER_00: But in terms of like I mean, and Kennedy chose to be the HHS secretary.
50:24
SPEAKER_00: Like he took that on.
50:25
SPEAKER_01: Right.
50:26
SPEAKER_00: Um and I suspect he knew that there would be some compromises that he was gonna have to make.
50:31
SPEAKER_04: Guarant, guaranteed.
50:33
SPEAKER_04: He he knew what he was getting into.
50:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I mean well you never know completely what you're getting into.
50:38
SPEAKER_00: Until you walk it.
50:39
SPEAKER_04: So you you yeah, you you you get into it, you put the shoes on, and then whoa boy, you know.
50:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:44
SPEAKER_00: So Yeah.
50:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's one of those things where now I can empathize with him more, but at the same time, we all have to take responsibility because where we are is a result of the choices we have made on day in and day out basis.
51:00
SPEAKER_00: So you can do what he was getting into, now he's experienced that, and there's always consequences, good or bad, to your decisions.
51:09
SPEAKER_04: Which means, which means parsing, parsing your principle.
51:14
SPEAKER_04: Now we're clear back, we've gone clear back to the front.
51:17
SPEAKER_04: Parsing your principle has got to be done before before the confrontation.
51:28
unknown: Yeah.
51:29
SPEAKER_04: Or or before the temptation.
51:30
SPEAKER_04: Before the temptation.
51:31
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
51:32
SPEAKER_04: The the knowing where you are, who you are, what you are.
51:37
SPEAKER_04: Uh I remember one of my dad's um uh things always, you know, as I was getting a teenager and having my rebellious streak and all that, and I'd leave the house, and he would all his last thing always to me was remember whose you are.
51:51
SPEAKER_04: Not only that you're gods, but you're a saladin.
51:54
SPEAKER_04: You're you're uh, you're ours.
51:56
SPEAKER_04: You're not you're not just you, you're not just yours.
51:59
SPEAKER_04: You know, you have other obligations.
52:02
SPEAKER_04: Um, remember whose you are.
52:06
SPEAKER_00: I can't even imagine you having a rebellious streak.
52:08
SPEAKER_03: Like Oh man.
52:11
SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
52:13
SPEAKER_00: No, you're like me.
52:15
SPEAKER_00: I'm wild and free, rebellious, like if you tell me to do that, I'm gonna do the opposite of the case.
52:20
SPEAKER_00: Oh, exactly.
52:21
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
52:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
52:22
SPEAKER_00: Did you ever do anything really crazy?
52:24
SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know.
52:25
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what I don't know how crazy or you know, something against the rules.
52:33
SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, no, no.
52:34
SPEAKER_04: It's behind.
52:35
SPEAKER_04: It's behind.
52:36
SPEAKER_04: I don't I don't want to throw any uh buddy in it.
52:38
SPEAKER_04: Well I'll tell you what though, um, you know, yesterday I I took uh or day before yesterday, I took um we had a you know, Virginia has just passed this new law until now, um farm use vehicles, you know, that or farm use trailers and vehicles and things, uh anything that had a that has a title, if you used it on the farm and stayed within 40 miles of a farm and you just, you know, you you could go down to tractor supply company, buy one of those white with a with a red farm use lettering on it and stick it on there.
53:13
SPEAKER_04: You didn't have to get inspected, you didn't have to register, you didn't have to do anything, just put the farm, and okay.
53:18
SPEAKER_04: Well, Virginia just passed a law that those have to be registered.
53:22
SPEAKER_04: So it it's it's not it's a$15 you know registration fee, and then they give you the little white sign with the red letters on it.
53:29
SPEAKER_04: It looks just like what used to be at TSC.
53:32
SPEAKER_04: And um, so we had we had six six things that to be legal we needed to get registered.
53:40
SPEAKER_04: So I was the delegated person to go down and get it done.
53:45
SPEAKER_04: And um I did not get it done.
53:48
SPEAKER_04: They almost threw me out.
53:50
SPEAKER_04: Uh and my team decided that um I'm not I'm not the one to go uh comply with government regulations.
54:02
SPEAKER_04: Let's just leave it at that.
54:05
SPEAKER_00: Did Daniel go on your behalf?
54:06
SPEAKER_04: Uh no, we're sending one of we're sending one of our our um our our team members.
54:11
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: Well and that's but you know, and that's great though, you know your principles, you know, to your point.
54:17
SPEAKER_00: Know your principle.
54:18
SPEAKER_00: And that's exactly what I knew I needed to do going into that event is don't change my message.
54:24
SPEAKER_01: Right.
54:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, even amongst all of this, you know, clout.
54:29
SPEAKER_00: Um and I recognized that a long time ago.
54:32
SPEAKER_00: That's there's a whole chapter in my book about um figuring out what your principles are.
54:38
SPEAKER_00: And I talk about you don't have to agree with my principles, find your principles so you can stand by them and make those principal choices in our food supply.
54:48
SPEAKER_04: But we're so we're so uh uh whatever, you know, hammered, bird-dogged by um you can't be offensive.
54:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
54:59
SPEAKER_04: You can't be offensive.
55:00
SPEAKER_04: But I think it's important for people to understand the night he was betrayed, Jesus told all of his disciples standing there this night, all of you are gonna be offended because of me.
55:13
SPEAKER_04: So offense is not necessarily bad.
55:19
SPEAKER_04: Sometimes it's just the truth.
55:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:21
SPEAKER_04: And you've got to deal with it and not be a snowflake.
55:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:25
SPEAKER_00: And you can some you can do it sometimes in a way that is less offensive.
55:29
SPEAKER_00: Like that whole crowd was behind me cheering for me, even though it was a contrary message to you know, the same thing that happened to me when I was there back in uh whenever it was uh when they had me there.
55:40
SPEAKER_00: Yes, John Clark said that he was there that night and that you brought down the house.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I'm not surprised.
55:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
55:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
55:50
SPEAKER_04: So so uh yeah, but you know, people are still attracted to people with conviction.
55:56
SPEAKER_04: They are.
55:56
SPEAKER_00: Because it's genuine.
55:57
SPEAKER_00: You're authentic.
55:58
SPEAKER_04: I mean, we have I mean, because that's all you can trust.
56:01
SPEAKER_04: And we have a complete breakdown of trust in our culture right now.
56:06
SPEAKER_04: And and people are looking for someone to trust.
56:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
56:10
SPEAKER_04: And and so when you when you have a principled message and you don't deviate and you don't kowtow, that's something that people I can trust that.
56:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:23
SPEAKER_00: And that's what people were saying to me when they're like, you're awesome, you're amazing.
56:27
SPEAKER_00: They they not only resonated with my message, you know, and like the speech, but they instantly knew I was authentic and that they could trust me.
56:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
56:37
SPEAKER_00: So it so many of them were like, Where do you live?
56:40
SPEAKER_00: I want to get together.
56:41
SPEAKER_00: Can we swap numbers?
56:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, so it it was it was quite the honor, and I was very, very surprised that Tony in front of everybody was so willing to accept a contrary message.
56:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:57
SPEAKER_00: That was That is great.
56:58
SPEAKER_00: That takes a lot for somebody, especially in that level of power to even acknowledge that somebody else, a contrary message can be significant.
57:08
SPEAKER_04: Right, right.
57:09
SPEAKER_04: That is great.
57:10
SPEAKER_04: Okay, well, um, let's uh let's close out with a question.
57:14
SPEAKER_04: What do you what do you think about a question like um have you ever have you ever uh compromised for expediency just because the war wasn't worth the battle?
57:25
SPEAKER_04: And um I I I think some self-examination here might be might be because it's so easy to to uh whatever find fault, you know, uh tear somebody down, and um and so look back and see where you uh maybe had one of these instances where you um for for acceptance's sake or expedience's sake or advancement's sake, uh where you maybe compromise your principle a little bit and and um offer some grace to others in these kind of pressure cooker situations.
58:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
58:13
SPEAKER_00: I love that.
58:14
SPEAKER_00: And if I could add just real fast, because and I like to say that there's no real shame in that, right?
58:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean it it takes a lot of courage to actually admit that you've done that at some point, and I think we've all probably compromised at some point.
58:28
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
58:28
SPEAKER_00: And it actually sometimes can help you build conviction.
58:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it helps you because your conscious speaks to you, and then you know without a doubt, okay, I'm like your example, I'm not gonna do that again.
58:38
SPEAKER_04: You know what failure looks like.
58:39
SPEAKER_00: That's right, and that's important.
58:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
58:41
SPEAKER_00: You know, it helps you arrive to conviction.
58:43
SPEAKER_04: It sure is, yeah.
58:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
58:45
SPEAKER_04: Okay, everybody, thanks for joining us out at the farm.
58:49
SPEAKER_04: Beautiful April day for Beyond Labels, and we look forward to visiting with you again next week.