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Acronyms Galore · I Hate Talking

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  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 112 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
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  I Hate Talking: So before we get into this episode's word or phrase of the episode, we do have the results of our self survey from last episode on data versus data.
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  I Hate Talking: So you did all the listening and tally marks, so why don't you share with our listeners the results.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, so is it the results, what the word data versus data is, or which both of us said?
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  I Hate Talking: Said in terms of the pronunciation because I think we talked a little bit about the data versus data last time where data is gonna be typically the more common and accepted pronunciation, but data is acceptable as well.
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  I Hate Talking: So data with the lawn A was said.
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  I Hate Talking: 59 times in last week's episode, 59.
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  I Hate Talking: And that is.
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  I Hate Talking: 50 times by you and 9 times by me.
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  I Hate Talking: Well there you go, I guess I am more data oriented.
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  I Hate Talking: And then data with the short A.
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  I Hate Talking: We said 8 times.
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  I Hate Talking: Once by you, and that was in the context of you talking about the difference in the two words.
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  I Hate Talking: And 7 times by me.
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  I Hate Talking: So I only use the word data or data.
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  I Hate Talking: A total of 16 times total, and it was pretty, pretty even.
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  I Hate Talking: I had 9 times data.
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  I Hate Talking: 7 times data, you had 50 times data, 1 time data.
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  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
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  I Hate Talking: See, I would not have guessed that I would have strictly said data, but I guess I do, unless I'm referring to the less common and less preferred pronunciation data.
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  I Hate Talking: I went back and forth fairly often and often when we listen to it, if y'all noticed, I don't know if you caught it or not.
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  I Hate Talking: I would change it if I was using the word in the same sentence, I changed it.
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  I Hate Talking: If I was talking about, I wonder what the data is on the data.
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  I Hate Talking: It's how I would use that kind of phrase.
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  I Hate Talking: So I would change the pronunciation if it was in the same sentence, or you did not, you'd be like, I wonder what the data of the data is.
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  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
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  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
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  I Hate Talking: They're both nouns when you use them, data and data.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, they're, I mean, we talked about it.
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  I Hate Talking: It's the same word, you can use it either way, but I guess in my head, I would say it differently.
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  I Hate Talking: To say like, I wonder what the data of the data is, so that way in my head they're two different things, two different categories.
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  I Hate Talking: Gotcha.
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  I Hate Talking: Very interesting.
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  I Hate Talking: I still think I feel fancier when I say data.
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  I Hate Talking: -- Data with the short -- A.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, that's like the less formal use.
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  I Hate Talking: That's what the internet says.
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  I Hate Talking: Data is the more formal pronunciation, I suppose so.
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  I Hate Talking: So if you have no idea what we're talking about, you can always go back and listen to our previous episode, episode 111, when we were talking about data centers and Brad Paisley and data centers.
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  I Hate Talking: I never talked about data centers.
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  I Hate Talking: But is it Brad Paisley or Brad Paisley?
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  I Hate Talking: I've always heard Paisley.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, me too.
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  I Hate Talking: -- Is it Brad or -- Braid?
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  I Hate Talking: There you go.
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  I Hate Talking: So The word or phrase of this episode is actually an acronym.
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  I Hate Talking: So This one I was aware of, I saw this in like one of those like, did you know, fact emails that I get that I enjoy reading occasionally that I am purposely subscribed to.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, and this one was words that were originally acronyms.
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  I Hate Talking: So do you know any words that were originally acronyms?
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  I Hate Talking: There's one that's, I think, relatively famous and this article included that, but there were some other ones that I was not aware of, so I was pleasantly surprised to learn of some new ones.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: That are like legitimate words now or just so commonly used that we think they're words.
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  I Hate Talking: I'd probably say the latter.
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  I Hate Talking: They're so commonly used that they're just used as words and probably maybe A lot of people, maybe even the majority of people do not know that they were originally acronyms.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, I don't know why this word popped in my head cause I haven't said it in Almost, you know, over 20 years, the word avid comes to mind.
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  I Hate Talking: A, avid, I'm joking.
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  I Hate Talking: Avid.
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  I Hate Talking: No, avid would be like.
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  I Hate Talking: Not an acronym.
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  I Hate Talking: It's like advance something something.
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  I Hate Talking: I don't even know what it stands for.
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  I Hate Talking: It does stand for something though.
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  I Hate Talking: I used it in high school.
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  I Hate Talking: I was in that program, and I don't know why that's the first thing that popped in my head.
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  I Hate Talking: But it's an acronym.
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  I Hate Talking: I do not know what it stands for.
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  I Hate Talking: So it's an adjective, according to Duck duck go, it is defined as having or marked by keen interest or enthusiasm, and that is from our favorite American Heritage Dictionary.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, the school program.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, if there is a school program.
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  I Hate Talking: Then I suppose that it could be.
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  I Hate Talking: Something that is like a play on words that they're using the actual word avid and ascribing words to that to be an acronym.
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  I Hate Talking: Advanced via individual determination.
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  I Hate Talking: Via it's a in-school program that helps students in advanced middle build the skills for rigorous course and graduate programs, AVID advancement via individual determination.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, -- so -- it's a school program that helps, yeah, you get into higher education, right, so that is a word avid that started as a word from the etymology Latin avidus, which means longing eagerly.
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  I Hate Talking: desirous or greedy, and then Came to be used in the French as a vir to desire eagerly.
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  I Hate Talking: And then was, I suppose, co-opted by this school program and they ascribed other words to fit the word and that becomes sort of an acrostic.
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  I Hate Talking: So, OK, so that's an acrostic.
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  I Hate Talking: And you're talking about what?
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  I Hate Talking: A word Used today as a word that originally was an acronym.
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  I Hate Talking: What's the difference between an acronym and acrostic?
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  I Hate Talking: So acrostic would be an existing word to which you put other words that are in the same sequence of letters as the original word.
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  I Hate Talking: So that would be an example of the avid in the school program, advanced via individual development.
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  I Hate Talking: -- Determination -- determination.
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  I Hate Talking: I was thinking of IDP's individual development plan.
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  I Hate Talking: Nonetheless, so that would be an acrostic, an existing word.
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  I Hate Talking: Other words associated to that word in the order of the letters, whereas an acronym will be A sequence of words that then you use the Shortened form or just one letter from each word to combine those into a new phrase or single word.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, I see the difference.
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  I Hate Talking: I'm coming up with a 0.
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  I Hate Talking: Examples So I think the first time that I learned about this was at a summer camp when I was a young child.
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  I Hate Talking: Wow, we're pulling back from high school.
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  I Hate Talking: No, this would have been before high school.
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  I Hate Talking: This would have been middle school of some time.
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  I Hate Talking: And there was another child that I think shared a Love of language and etymology and was Sort of showing off his skills when he was talking about the word scuba.
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  I Hate Talking: And that that is not really a word.
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  I Hate Talking: It is a Acronym That became used as a word and is now so frequently used that people probably think it is exclusively a word.
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  I Hate Talking: And you were very impressed by that.
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  I Hate Talking: I was very impressed.
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  I Hate Talking: So scuba, yes, I have heard that the word scuba isn't a real word, right?
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  I Hate Talking: -- Even though we -- use it.
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  I Hate Talking: I mean, now it's essentially a real word, yes, but that is not how it was originally derived.
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  I Hate Talking: -- And -- what does it stand for?
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  I Hate Talking: Self-contained underwater breathing apparatus.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So, most people call it scuba gear, which is actually not really all that correct cause you don't really need gear in the end of that because it already is an apparatus.
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  I Hate Talking: So it's like self-contained underwater breathing apparatus gear.
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  I Hate Talking: Right, yeah.
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  I Hate Talking: But because it's become a term, like when you say I go scuba, you, everyone knows what you mean.
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  I Hate Talking: I think so.
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  I Hate Talking: Right, so I mean it's the same thing, right?
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  I Hate Talking: Like a sub, I guess, right?
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  I Hate Talking: That'd be a shortened form of submarine, so not quite an -- acronym -- per se.
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  I Hate Talking: No, isn't substand for like submersible?
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  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
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  I Hate Talking: Now I'm just thinking about the Titanic submersible.
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  I Hate Talking: I was so into that when that happened a couple of years ago, remember?
• 10:50
  I Hate Talking: I was giving you like hourly updates.
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  I Hate Talking: And what was happening.
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  I Hate Talking: No, it's like submersible.
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  I Hate Talking: Am I wrong?
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  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, we'll check your sub.
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  I Hate Talking: Underwater worship.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, I'm wrong.
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  I Hate Talking: So I mean it's a submersible warship, but That comes from submarine.
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  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So scuba, what are some other examples of your Well, another one that is incorrectly used with a acronym followed by another word would be PIN number.
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  I Hate Talking: Because PIN is another acronym, quote unquote word.
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  I Hate Talking: What's it stand for?
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  I Hate Talking: Personal identification number.
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  I Hate Talking: -- So you say personal -- identification number number.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, that's what you're saying when you say PIN number.
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  I Hate Talking: That's getting more popular.
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  I Hate Talking: I feel like almost everything nowadays wants a PIN number.
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  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
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  I Hate Talking: Do they?
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  I Hate Talking: No, I mean, do, I will have to pay attention to this.
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  I Hate Talking: This happened when like an actual business or like formal request for actually asked for a PIN number and not just a PIN.
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  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
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  I Hate Talking: Y'all, let us know too when you see it.
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  I Hate Talking: It's much more common.
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  I Hate Talking: Almost every time I sign into anything now, it's asking for, I'd say a PIN number.
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  I Hate Talking: Maybe not.
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  I Hate Talking: It was just the pin.
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  I Hate Talking: -- It might be just the -- pin.
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  I Hate Talking: So what would happen?
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  I Hate Talking: Why does my brain add the word number on there?
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  I Hate Talking: Well, I think so many people just use that so frequently that it's become sort of normal phraseology to just say pin number.
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  I Hate Talking: Mm.
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  I Hate Talking: And maybe it's a of the fact that nobody uses PIN as personal identification number when they say that they just think.
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  I Hate Talking: In and then like as a way of flagging that they're expecting a number or response is that it's pin number so that people actually have a little bit more clarity even though it's sort of nonsensical to say.
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  I Hate Talking: PIN number.
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  I Hate Talking: Right, cause anything else you right, you don't say like, give me your code number or give me your password number.
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  I Hate Talking: Would you say, give me the code?
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  I Hate Talking: And then you'd give them, yeah, you don't ask for what's your password word, right?
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  I Hate Talking: So I always say PIN number.
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  I Hate Talking: Just because it's such a short word, it sounds incomplete, just say give me your PIN.
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  I Hate Talking: I guess where people just don't know what PIN stands for, and they think that it's like a special thing and then since it's numerical in nature, they add the word number on the end.
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  I Hate Talking: -- This is -- probably something in 10 years, everyone will say so often that when we say pin number, we're like, showing our age.
• 13:39
  I Hate Talking: It's like people when they're like the Facebook.
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  I Hate Talking: I checked the Facebook.
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  I Hate Talking: Which is technically right, but you're like, you don't call it the Facebook, you don't call it the Instagram.
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  I Hate Talking: I checked Instagram.
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  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, or click on the floppy disk to save your document.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, which people don't even call it that anymore, it's a save icon, cause it's just been so ubiquitously associated with saving a document.
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  I Hate Talking: Right, I mean, the kids know what it is, they know that's the save button, but they don't understand where that symbol comes from.
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  I Hate Talking: Correct.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
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  I Hate Talking: So then another one that I was aware of in the past, but had to check what it actually meant is laser.
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  I Hate Talking: So that stands for light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation.
• 14:28
  I Hate Talking: Oh, That's not good.
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  I Hate Talking: So laser is not a word originally, it's an acronym.
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  I Hate Talking: -- Do -- all lasers have radiation?
• 14:38
  I Hate Talking: Well, yeah, in terms of like light radiation, the sun has radiation.
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  I Hate Talking: That's how you get sunburned.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, but not like microwavable, right?
• 14:49
  I Hate Talking: No, they're not microwaves, they're.
• 14:51
  I Hate Talking: Light waves.
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  I Hate Talking: -- I -- don't know.
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  I Hate Talking: You're not like supposed to shine those little red lights that you play with cats and stuff.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, you're not supposed to shine a laser in your eye.
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  I Hate Talking: That's because it is radiation in the form of wavelengths of light.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, highly focused synchronized light amplified by stimulated emission of radiation.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, what's raser stand for again?
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  I Hate Talking: What is what?
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  I Hate Talking: -- Raise laser stand -- for?
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  I Hate Talking: Laser is light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation.
• 15:23
  I Hate Talking: What's razor stand for?
• 15:25
  I Hate Talking: Razor, like the razor that you use for Cutting open a box.
• 15:31
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, does that stand for something?
• 15:33
  I Hate Talking: I feel like it should.
• 15:33
  I Hate Talking: No, that's just a word.
• 15:35
  I Hate Talking: Are you sure?
• 15:36
  I Hate Talking: We can check, but -- I'm 99% certain laser -- stands -- for -- something.
• 15:40
  I Hate Talking: Well, -- it's -- not even spelled the same.
• 15:42
  I Hate Talking: It's not even spelled the same though.
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  I Hate Talking: They sure sound alike.
• 15:45
  I Hate Talking: The word razor originates from the Middle English term razor, which comes from the Old French razor, meaning a razor.
• 15:53
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, OK, never mind.
• 15:56
  I Hate Talking: Comes from the Latin radi, meaning to scrape or shave.
• 15:59
  I Hate Talking: OK, that makes sense, but.
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  I Hate Talking: They sound like it should be one of those acronyms.
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  I Hate Talking: So what are some other acronyms, you know?
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  I Hate Talking: So scuba, laser.
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  I Hate Talking: So scuba, laser and pin we've talked about.
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  I Hate Talking: The word radar.
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  I Hate Talking: is also an acronym, radio detection and ranging.
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  I Hate Talking: Do these become words in the dictionary because I use them so frequently?
• 16:29
  I Hate Talking: Yes, all these are in the dictionary so far.
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  I Hate Talking: So they used to be acronyms, but now they're actual words.
• 16:37
  I Hate Talking: Yep.
• 16:37
  I Hate Talking: Hmm.
• 16:38
  I Hate Talking: So that one I was aware of, again, would have had to look up the exact words that were used to make up that particular acronym.
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  I Hate Talking: Now, this one's interesting, do you say GIF or GIF?
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  I Hate Talking: Oh, no.
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  I Hate Talking: I have to use it in a sentence.
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  I Hate Talking: This file Jeff.
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  I Hate Talking: Yep, that's incorrect.
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  I Hate Talking: And there's a probably a debate on this, so you, our listeners can let us know if you disagree with my correct answer, but this is because it is not a word, it is an acronym and it stands for graphics interchange format.
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  I Hate Talking: So the guy, the creator calls it a GIF, right?
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  I Hate Talking: See, I also disagree with this because there actually is a file type called JIFF, which would be pronounced GIF.
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  I Hate Talking: So there's actually would be some confusion if you're talking about a GIF or a GIF because there is a JIFF.
• 17:33
  I Hate Talking: But the creator said it, right?
• 17:36
  I Hate Talking: There's a whole thing about he stood on a stage and said it is pronounced Jeff.
• 17:40
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 17:42
  I Hate Talking: I don't know this story.
• 17:43
  I Hate Talking: We'll have to do some more research on it.
• 17:44
  I Hate Talking: OK, look it up.
• 17:44
  I Hate Talking: So then how would you say JIFF as a file extension?
• 17:50
  I Hate Talking: I think that's just what you call it.
• 17:54
  I Hate Talking: No, that's a different extension, different file type.
• 17:57
  I Hate Talking: GIF, and then you need a GIF for the GIF.
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  I Hate Talking: The creator of the format says it's pronounced with a soft G as in GIF.
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  I Hate Talking: However, public opinion is heavily divided.
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  I Hate Talking: The vast majority would pronounce it with a hard G.
• 18:17
  I Hate Talking: Yes Because it stands for graphic.
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  I Hate Talking: See, I've heard, I, he stood on the stage, like a big stage a long time ago, and said it's pronounced Jeff.
• 18:29
  I Hate Talking: That's why when I paused for a second thinking of how to say it, I remembered his like TED Talk type thing.
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  I Hate Talking: So what, how does he address the JIF and JIFF file extensions then?
• 18:42
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 18:43
  I Hate Talking: Maybe it came after that TED Talk, who knows?
• 18:48
  I Hate Talking: So then this one I think is probably still more considered an acronym, FOMO.
• 18:56
  I Hate Talking: Have you heard that used as like a word?
• 18:59
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, FOMO.
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  I Hate Talking: But it's, I've always, right, but that one I think is like more recent and recent enough that people still know that it's an acronym.
• 19:09
  I Hate Talking: Oh, I use that phrase.
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  I Hate Talking: I used it on your sister a while back.
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  I Hate Talking: She saw an amazing view of the northern lights.
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  I Hate Talking: I remember telling her, man, I had so much FOMO when I saw that cause I love the northern lights, and we've seen a little bit in the past.
• 19:26
  I Hate Talking: But it's still my dream to actually see like a full spectacular view of it.
• 19:31
  I Hate Talking: And she saw a good one.
• 19:33
  I Hate Talking: So I remember that was the last time I legitimately used the word FOMO.
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: Right, but you knew that it's an acronym, and I think most people when they use that quote unquote word that they know it's an acronym, right?
• 19:46
  I Hate Talking: YOLO, you only live once.
• 19:48
  I Hate Talking: That was another one I used today.
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  I Hate Talking: -- There -- you go.
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  I Hate Talking: See, but that one's still like acronym, so it'd be interesting to see if those Particular acronym word things stick around for another generation and then just people start using them as words and don't even realize that they were acronyms in the past.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, one our kids use fairly often is lol.
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  I Hate Talking: See, but I laugh out loud.
• 20:14
  I Hate Talking: I think that still, I don't know if they know it means laugh out loud, right?
• 20:18
  I Hate Talking: It's possible, -- I -- suppose.
• 20:19
  I Hate Talking: I told them like that means you guys, it's LOL laugh out loud, like lol.
• 20:25
  I Hate Talking: So I don't know, maybe they know it means laugh out loud, but they would argue that it doesn't mean LOL.
• 20:34
  I Hate Talking: Like I'd call it LOL, right.
• 20:36
  I Hate Talking: No, they say lol.
• 20:38
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 20:39
  I Hate Talking: I have heard that before, but.
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  I Hate Talking: Maybe that's another one that Has been used so frequently in the younger generations that they don't even realize that it was an acronym.
• 20:49
  I Hate Talking: And then the final one on the list that I did not know was an acronym, nor did I know what words comprised it, is taser.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, let me try to guess.
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  I Hate Talking: -- You'll never -- guess.
• 21:04
  I Hate Talking: Well, I'm on a roll tonight, getting everything right, so here we go, taser.
• 21:13
  I Hate Talking: Time Associated.
• 21:18
  I Hate Talking: Stops I wanna say aggression, but that's not how you spell a good taser.
• 21:25
  I Hate Talking: Time associated stops eager riots.
• 21:31
  I Hate Talking: OK, that's that I'm locking that in.
• 21:35
  I Hate Talking: That's my answer.
• 21:36
  I Hate Talking: OK, so you are a listener, think briefly on what you think the word taser is, what acronym.
• 21:43
  I Hate Talking: that it was generated from and using which words.
• 21:48
  I Hate Talking: We'll give you a second, cause you'll never guess, unless you know this, like it's not something that anyone would ever guess, I don't think.
• 21:56
  I Hate Talking: I hear that Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.
• 21:59
  I Hate Talking: The music, the theme music, yeah, there you go.
• 22:02
  I Hate Talking: Well, perhaps you can phone a friend.
• 22:05
  I Hate Talking: Maybe there's somebody that read a lot of books when they were younger, because taser stands for Thomas A.
• 22:14
  I Hate Talking: Swift Electric rifle.
• 22:16
  I Hate Talking: Oh, I was off, -- a little bit -- off, a little bit.
• 22:20
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 22:21
  I Hate Talking: And the interesting thing about that is that Thomas A.
• 22:24
  I Hate Talking: Swift is not even a real person.
• 22:25
  I Hate Talking: And why is it named after him?
• 22:28
  I Hate Talking: Because he's the guy that all those books that were sort of in the same time period of Hardy Boys were written, was like the inventor.
• 22:36
  I Hate Talking: Extraordinaire.
• 22:38
  I Hate Talking: He would invent things and go on various adventures and things like that.
• 22:42
  I Hate Talking: Not in the Hardy Boy books, but in the same time period associated with sort of when those Hardy Boy books were.
• 22:50
  I Hate Talking: Written, they were, I think, bound in very similar fashion, very similar typography and things like that.
• 22:56
  I Hate Talking: Thomas Swift, Tom Swift, yeah.
• 22:58
  I Hate Talking: You don't know Tom Swift?
• 23:00
  I Hate Talking: I read Nancy Drew and the Bobbsey Twins.
• 23:04
  I Hate Talking: I didn't read Hardy Boy.
• 23:07
  I Hate Talking: We've tried to get our kids into it.
• 23:09
  I Hate Talking: They're not into the older ones, but.
• 23:12
  I Hate Talking: Uh, the Dollar Tree.
• 23:15
  I Hate Talking: Has A lot of Hardy Boy books for $1 or what's like $1.25 now or whatnot, but they're all modern, the kids enjoy those ones, because they're like playing baseball or video games or whatnot.
• 23:32
  I Hate Talking: But I can't get them into the original Hardy Boys.
• 23:38
  I Hate Talking: But maybe they'd like Thomas A.
• 23:41
  I Hate Talking: Swift.
• 23:42
  I Hate Talking: Oops, I doubt it though.
• 23:43
  I Hate Talking: Yep, or just Tom Swift.
• 23:45
  I Hate Talking: Apparently it was a TV show.
• 23:47
  I Hate Talking: Apparently they are.
• 23:48
  I Hate Talking: Trying to start up the series again as of 2019 with a Tom Swift Junior.
• 23:55
  I Hate Talking: So, -- but -- they're in the same format as Hardy Boys.
• 24:00
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, like if you picked up A Tom Swift book or Hardy Boy book, you I could tell the difference, but they're like the same size and shape, same binding, same sort of artwork and things like that that a Hardy Boys book would have.
• 24:15
  I Hate Talking: I wouldn't even notice.
• 24:16
  I Hate Talking: I'd look at that and think of Hardy Boys.
• 24:18
  I Hate Talking: Did you read them?
• 24:20
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, they were good.
• 24:21
  I Hate Talking: -- Did you read Hardy -- Boys?
• 24:22
  I Hate Talking: I read Hardy Boys.
• 24:23
  I Hate Talking: Did you read Nancy Drew?
• 24:25
  I Hate Talking: I was forced to.
• 24:26
  I Hate Talking: Did you read Bobbsey Twins?
• 24:28
  I Hate Talking: No, I didn't do Bobby Twins.
• 24:30
  I Hate Talking: I think my sister did Bobbsey Twins.
• 24:31
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps.
• 24:31
  I Hate Talking: That was my favorite.
• 24:32
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, I remember Tom Swift being sort of like a fun read, but it wasn't sort of like mysterious or anything.
• 24:39
  I Hate Talking: So I think I slightly preferred Hardy Boys because there's an element of mystery to it.
• 24:45
  I Hate Talking: Whereas like Tom Swift was like just building things and going on adventures.
• 24:49
  I Hate Talking: There wasn't really a lot of Intrigue in those particular stories.
• 24:53
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 24:54
  I Hate Talking: So that is Taser is basically the Because he created a taser in his story.
• 25:05
  I Hate Talking: No, the guy that created the taser, I guess maybe was inspired by Tom Swift and named it after this fictional character.
• 25:11
  I Hate Talking: Wow, he really liked those books that much.
• 25:16
  I Hate Talking: I'm guessing here.
• 25:16
  I Hate Talking: I, I didn't actually check this.
• 25:18
  I Hate Talking: -- Let's -- find That's a real hardcore fan right there.
• 25:22
  I Hate Talking: The term was first created during the development of the first taser by inventor Jack Cover, and he basically named it after the fictional Tom Swift character of the books.
• 25:37
  I Hate Talking: But no reason why.
• 25:40
  I Hate Talking: He said it was inspired by the character from the series of the early 20th century adventure novels written by Victor Appleton, which I think was also a pen name, not the actual guy's name, similar to Tom Swift, a name named Victor Appleton.
• 25:54
  I Hate Talking: I see that one's made up though.
• 25:56
  I Hate Talking: I'm pretty sure that's a pen name.
• 25:58
  I Hate Talking: I like that one though.
• 26:00
  I Hate Talking: Like, uh, what's the other, other one that's a famous pen name.
• 26:04
  I Hate Talking: Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn.
• 26:07
  I Hate Talking: This is the guy that wrote this.
• 26:10
  I Hate Talking: -- I'm -- looking -- at -- you.
• 26:12
  I Hate Talking: Oh my goodness.
• 26:13
  I Hate Talking: Am I gonna have to Google this?
• 26:16
  I Hate Talking: Why did I not know?
• 26:18
  I Hate Talking: Mark Twain Mark Twain, right, -- that's -- not his real name.
• 26:24
  I Hate Talking: That's not his real name.
• 26:25
  I Hate Talking: It's like something Clement Clement or something, something Clement.
• 26:29
  I Hate Talking: Um, must be getting tired or old.
• 26:34
  I Hate Talking: I'm not remembering this.
• 26:36
  I Hate Talking: I think it's both.
• 26:38
  I Hate Talking: It's both, probably so.
• 26:41
  I Hate Talking: His real name Mark Twain, Samuel Langhorne Clemens.
• 26:48
  I Hate Talking: So there you go.
• 26:49
  I Hate Talking: It's on the right track.
• 26:50
  I Hate Talking: So, those are some interesting words that have come about because of acronyms and now are so frequently used as words that maybe some people don't even know they were originally acronyms.
• 27:04
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 27:06
  I Hate Talking: And who knows, maybe this is what Generated words in the past and we don't even know it.
• 27:12
  I Hate Talking: Podcast, right?
• 27:13
  I Hate Talking: A podcast isn't even a real word, right?
• 27:15
  I Hate Talking: Do you know what podcast stands for?
• 27:18
  I Hate Talking: It's casting to your iPod.
• 27:22
  I Hate Talking: It's a form of audio entertainment that you can use on your iPod.
• 27:28
  I Hate Talking: Huh?
• 27:30
  I Hate Talking: Well, how would it not be right?
• 27:32
  I Hate Talking: That's how pod came about is because Apple invented it.
• 27:35
  I Hate Talking: It was as part of the iPod.
• 27:36
  I Hate Talking: Right, iPod wasn't a thing.
• 27:38
  I Hate Talking: It was like a name.
• 27:39
  I Hate Talking: iPod.
• 27:41
  I Hate Talking: iPad iPhone.
• 27:43
  I Hate Talking: They don't like iWatch.
• 27:45
  I Hate Talking: You're not supposed to call it that.
• 27:47
  I Hate Talking: -- It's just -- watch.
• 27:48
  I Hate Talking: Why?
• 27:48
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 27:49
  I Hate Talking: Apple Watch.
• 27:51
  I Hate Talking: Apple Watch.
• 27:52
  I Hate Talking: They don't, they don't call it the iWatch.
• 27:54
  I Hate Talking: They were very specific on that.
• 27:57
  I Hate Talking: It's true, you don't call it an Apple phone.
• 27:58
  I Hate Talking: It's an iPhone, iPod, iPad.
• 28:02
  I Hate Talking: iMac, but not an iWatch.
• 28:05
  I Hate Talking: I have no idea why.
• 28:07
  I Hate Talking: It's just a thing.
• 28:08
  I Hate Talking: I'm sure it was a very specific decision by Apple watch.
• 28:12
  I Hate Talking: No, I think he probably didn't want to call it iWatch.
• 28:17
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 28:19
  I Hate Talking: I'm not sure the reasoning.
• 28:20
  I Hate Talking: Well, that'll be a future.
• 28:22
  I Hate Talking: Deep dive.
• 28:23
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 28:25
  I Hate Talking: What are you checking on?
• 28:27
  I Hate Talking: The words iPod and broadcast.
• 28:31
  I Hate Talking: So our podcast is a digital digital audio show.
• 28:37
  I Hate Talking: That you can download and stream over the internet.
• 28:41
  I Hate Talking: So pod comes from Apple's famous iPod, and cast comes from broadcast.
• 28:47
  I Hate Talking: I put right, that counts or does it not?
• 28:51
  I Hate Talking: Well, -- it's not -- an acronym per se.
• 28:52
  I Hate Talking: It's a A different thing that's happening to words that are mashed together and combined into new phrases.
• 29:00
  I Hate Talking: Which there's a word for that too, but we'll have to revisit that too.
• 29:05
  I Hate Talking: We have talked about that in previous episodes.
• 29:06
  I Hate Talking: I have no idea where, but.
• 29:07
  I Hate Talking: We have.
• 29:10
  I Hate Talking: All right, we'll look that up and we'll -- talk about that in the future -- too.
• 29:14
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
• 29:15
  I Hate Talking: So if you know what it is called when two words become mashed together and reordered a bit to become a new word, or if you know the reason why the Apple Watch is not called the iWatch, you can always leave a comment, send us a text, send us an email.
• 29:34
  I Hate Talking: And perhaps share this episode with just one other person, and they can try to Come to a conclusion on any of these things that we've discussed or be informed about acronyms.
• 29:45
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I, you know you're saying it in my head, I'm like, I wanna talk to somebody and sincerely say something about my iWatch and see their reaction.
• 29:56
  I Hate Talking: That sounds so off, that I feel like they would do a double take.
• 30:02
  I Hate Talking: I was like, oh, my iWatch is really.
• 30:04
  I Hate Talking: Uh, acting up today.
• 30:07
  I Hate Talking: I just, I feel like that's not a phrase I'd hear, but I'd never blink twice if someone said my iPhone.
• 30:14
  I Hate Talking: Precisely.
• 30:15
  I Hate Talking: So you can do that experiment and report back.
• 30:17
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 30:18
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.