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ITB: Are The Eagles Comfortable With Their Cornerback Depth? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's up, everybody? It's Jeff Mosher.
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  Speaker 1: It's Adam Kaplan. We're finishing off a two-part podcast series
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  Speaker 1: looking at the state of the Eagles roster right now
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  Speaker 1: as we head into Friday night's preseason game against the Bengals.
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  Speaker 1: We did everything on the offense in the last podcast. Defense,
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  Speaker 1: we'll cover in this podcast. And it's funny, Adam, we
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  Speaker 1: always start with the front seven. We work our way
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  Speaker 1: inside out. I got to say, it's been an impressive
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  Speaker 1: summer for the defense, as we would expect. And if
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  Speaker 1: we're just narrowing it to even the front seven or
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  Speaker 1: front six, however you want to call it, it's pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of question marks, really the only things now
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  Speaker 1: are role players. And I would say the big picture
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  Speaker 1: question that we've discussed already, and there's not much more
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  Speaker 1: to add to it, but just to continue to understand
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  Speaker 1: that this is a situation, is that when the season starts,
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  Speaker 1: we have no idea what kind of shape Jonathan Grenard
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  Speaker 1: is going to be in. And so they're going to
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  Speaker 1: rely heavily on Jalex Hunt, Nolan Smith, AK Arnold Etiketi.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see if Epinesa is on the team. You've heard
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  Speaker 1: Vic talk about, you know, perhaps even opening up the
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  Speaker 1: rotation there. But that to me is really, when you
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  Speaker 1: look at the talent that they've amassed here, it's very good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the front three has been dominant. Jomo, Davis,
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  Speaker 2: and Carter have been phenomenal. Carter's healthy. Like we, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the shoulder things behind him, at least for now, look great. Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 2: Byron Young's been, he's clearly the four. And Ty Robinson
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  Speaker 2: has come back from the dead. He's back. He's, Vic's,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those, where were you when
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  Speaker 2: Vic Fangio said what he said? He was right in
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  Speaker 2: front of me. And now I'm looking at other reporters.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Dude is an absolute gem. Jim Johnson was my all-time favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Vic's close. They're obviously both brilliant. But Ty Robinson, we
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: explained in the previous show that there was an issue
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  Speaker 2: with lower body stiffness. That's from a scouting standpoint. That's
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  Speaker 2: what the tape showed in college. That's why, despite everyone
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  Speaker 2: I talked to, I don't know about you, everyone loved him,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely loved his energy, passion for the game, good enough athlete.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to call him a try-hard guy, but
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  Speaker 2: his effort, motor is phenomenal. Better than a try-hard guy.
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  Speaker 2: But lower body stiffness, getting stood up, technique. Greg Cosell
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  Speaker 2: told us from the tape last summer, just a preseason.
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  Speaker 2: Preseason tape wasn't very good. He was really raw and
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  Speaker 2: needed a lot of work. And quite frankly, Vic gave
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  Speaker 2: the answers to the test last week before the first
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  Speaker 2: practice when he spoke, the first joint. He said, look,
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  Speaker 2: he came back from the dead. And then he did
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  Speaker 2: it again at Robinson.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I would have him on my 53. As you said,
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  Speaker 2: it's pretty much set. And then with Grenard, if he's
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  Speaker 2: on the 53, if he's not on PUP, because in
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  Speaker 2: training camp, you have to count against the roster. He's
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  Speaker 2: on active PUP. If they don't activate him, he does
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  Speaker 2: not count against the roster. He doesn't count against the 53.
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  Speaker 2: So would you give Epinesa way more? In fact, I'd
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  Speaker 2: say it's a lock. He makes a team. If Bernard
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  Speaker 2: is not part of 53. And that's four weeks, by
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  Speaker 2: the way. It's not games. It's weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me.
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  Speaker 2: It's games, not weeks. They clarified the rule years ago.
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  Speaker 2: People were confused. It's actual games. Right. Not weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: To me, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't... See, the way the clubs do it is if
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  Speaker 2: they're absolutely sure, A, the guy will be available for
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  Speaker 2: sure the first four weeks. And in the first couple weeks,
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  Speaker 2: he'll be himself. Well... They know better than I. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: better than you, better than anyone. They're going to know
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  Speaker 2: he's in their facility. They're rehabbing him. But to me,
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  Speaker 2: the guy's not practiced since last December. Think about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Nine months.
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  Speaker 1: Now, in most cases, if you have a player of
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Grenard's abilities and you're wondering if he's not going
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  Speaker 1: to be available for the first week to however long.
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  Speaker 1: you might be looking for some help or you might
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  Speaker 1: be really worried about the state of the pass rush.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Eagles, one of the teams that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of course they want him. And of course it's a concern,
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  Speaker 1: but when you're able to throw a first round pick
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  Speaker 1: in Nolan Smith, well, I think he's had a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good camp. I really do. I mean, he's not had
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  Speaker 1: like a really sexy camp, but like he's in on
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  Speaker 1: a lot of play. He's sets the edge really well.
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  Speaker 1: He is getting pressure and making quarterbacks move off their mark.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course the camp, the jail is hot.
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  Speaker 2: It's sad.
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  Speaker 1: If that just carries even a little bit, into the season.
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  Speaker 1: And he's just a little bit improved from last year.
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  Speaker 1: And you've got AK and maybe Evanessa in that. Then
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  Speaker 1: you're okay. You're pretty good, especially with a secondary that's
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  Speaker 1: going to cover pretty well and give those rushers a
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  Speaker 1: chance to get at the quarterback. Oh, and with a
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  Speaker 1: guy like Jalen Carter, who's absolutely going to draw double
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  Speaker 1: teams that leave guys one-on-one. So I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 1: make it sound like Grenard is like icing on the cake.
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  Speaker 1: He's an important player. But it's not a four-alarm, five-alarm
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  Speaker 1: fire if he's not ready because the Eagles have stocked
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  Speaker 1: themselves so well.
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  Speaker 2: Right. What you mean is that they have other guys.
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  Speaker 2: If Hunt is what he's become, like the second half, six,
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  Speaker 2: seven games of last season in the playoffs, he was phenomenal.
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  Speaker 2: And then you want to build off that for a
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  Speaker 2: guy who now is only his fifth year as a
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  Speaker 2: pass rusher. Think about that. Yeah. He's a safety before
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  Speaker 2: that and had one– 90 years old, grows like four inches.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's, you know, it's one of those things. Houston Christian,
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  Speaker 2: never heard of the school until they drafted him.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I had never heard of the school
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  Speaker 1: when it was called Houston Baptist either. Yeah, exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: They changed it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right. I remember.
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  Speaker 1: I forget who was it that told us that. You
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  Speaker 1: never heard of it because it used to be called
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  Speaker 1: Houston Baptist.
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  Speaker 2: Right. No, I think you might have said it when
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  Speaker 2: we got Greg on two summers ago.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I think it was Nagy from the Senior Bowl
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, right?
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  Speaker 2: Jim Nagy. Jim Nagy.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Nagy. Yeah, I think he was the.
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  Speaker 2: One who put it on Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: He said that.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really funny. I want to get back
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  Speaker 1: to one thing, though.
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  Speaker 2: Real quick. No, but here's the problem. When I told
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  Speaker 2: Greg he's got to watch this tape, he goes, listen,
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  Speaker 2: they're not in our system at NFL film. One of, like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe one or two players because of the school. Right.
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  Speaker 2: He asked me what I thought. I said, I think
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  Speaker 2: he's going to go in the third round. I have
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  Speaker 2: no idea where he's going to go. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he said, we're good. I saw it. We're good. We're good.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we got it. And then, of course, because
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  Speaker 2: Jeff and I did that. In fact, I know, I
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  Speaker 2: remember this. We did a special show. We did a.
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  Speaker 2: They were calling player leftovers. It was Hunt, maybe some
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  Speaker 2: other player, two or three players we didn't have time for. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And who knew? Like, who knew? And if he has
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  Speaker 2: a breakout season, true breakout from beginning to end. And again,
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  Speaker 2: we don't know about Grenard. We don't know. Even when
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  Speaker 2: he's ready, we have no idea what to expect because
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  Speaker 2: he's in practice in nine months. But with Smith, as
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned, Evocati. It's Evocati, by the way, the pronunciation guy.
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  Speaker 2: I always thought it was Evocati, but Evocati.
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  Speaker 1: Evocati.
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  Speaker 2: And Epinesa's grown as a pass rusher. He's an excellent
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  Speaker 2: run defender. Even if he's on the team, he's not
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  Speaker 2: going to play very much, if at all.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: He's roster death. But the guy's a former starter. That's
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  Speaker 2: the thing. You're getting a former starter.
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  Speaker 1: Second-round pick.
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  Speaker 2: He's improved as a pass rusher. And not that he's
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  Speaker 2: going to be on the 53. This Jose Ramirez, 43.
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  Speaker 2: We had someone from another team tell us that his
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  Speaker 2: tape from the Baltimore game was, like, really intriguing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: they'll be fine. Now you don't want Gronard to be
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  Speaker 2: out two months. That, then it becomes a problem because
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  Speaker 2: what happens is the longer marginal starters play, the more
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  Speaker 2: they get exposed to being a marginal starter.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: So you, but for a short period of time, they
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  Speaker 2: should be fine. I agree. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I would say this. I think week one, Washington, they
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  Speaker 1: got all sorts of offensive line. Gronard's not going to play.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be debilitating. Week two, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 1: not only do they have offensive line issues, they just
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  Speaker 1: have offense issues in general. Uh, But if we got
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  Speaker 1: to week three, week four, where it's Rams, Bears, back-to-back,
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  Speaker 1: and Grenard wasn't ready, I'd be a little itchy there.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say, ooh.
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  Speaker 2: But again, if he's ready week one, folks, or week two,
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  Speaker 2: just have very low expectations. In fact, I wouldn't have any. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to ramp up, right? Yeah, exactly. Vic hates
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  Speaker 2: a ramp-up here. He hates it. Well, Vic, guess what?
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  Speaker 2: This time, it's actually real. The guy needs it. I
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  Speaker 2: don't care if he's on the roster week one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's a problem. But overall, the front seven and the ILB,
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: let's get to Vic's favorite position, ILB. That's his position.
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  Speaker 2: He coached for the New Orleans Saints, and they fell
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  Speaker 2: off his stars. Boy, he was in his early 20s
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  Speaker 2: when he worked for Jim Mora. That's crazy. Mid-80s, you know? See,
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  Speaker 2: with Bonnen Campbell and Trott, one of the best backup
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  Speaker 2: ILBs in the NFL, Bonnen we don't know about. The
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  Speaker 2: way I see it is this. If Chance Campbell does
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  Speaker 2: not make it, which is realistic. I mean, do you
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  Speaker 2: really need to keep five ILBs last year? They did
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  Speaker 2: because of Dean. Well, they don't have any injury problems there.
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  Speaker 2: So if they cut him, there's your 69-man roster. That's
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  Speaker 2: your practice squad player. It's perfect. He knows the system. Athletic, long.
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  Speaker 2: Bobby King coached him for a year in Tennessee before
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  Speaker 2: he kept getting hurt. They're good there. They don't really
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  Speaker 2: need to do anything there.
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  Speaker 1: I would agree. He's a really good special teams player.
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  Speaker 1: So I, that would be the reason if they kept,
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  Speaker 1: kept five that they really like him and he can
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  Speaker 1: help out on special teams, but if they don't, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a major, a major issue and they can
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  Speaker 1: bring them on the practice squad. Do you think, I
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  Speaker 1: think we talked about this last week. Would it help
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  Speaker 1: this young linebacker core outside of Zach Vaughn, who's not young,
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  Speaker 1: but as a starting linebacker, he's really just two years
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  Speaker 1: into it, right? This will be year three. would it
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  Speaker 1: help have a guy on the practice squad who's like
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  Speaker 1: an Oren Burks a little bit of a veteran I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned in the last show if they had I mean
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to do it now but if they
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  Speaker 1: were to have a couple of injuries at that position
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  Speaker 1: you'd want a veteran.
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  Speaker 2: There that's exactly where I was going when I talk
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  Speaker 2: about this yeah uh And one guy said, man, if
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: we're down to our fourth ILB, then we're not going
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  Speaker 2: to be good anyway. I hear you. That's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's not necessarily true.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to think that way. By the way,
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: teams don't think that way. The only time they think
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: that way is Bill Pullian told me when Peyton Manning
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: got hurt. It's a long story, but Tom Moore, the
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: legendary offensive coordinator, Tom's in his 80s. You don't plan
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: for Peyton Manning to get hurt. It's like he never
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: got hurt until he got hurt.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: Oops.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: You know, like if you're going, it's like, oops, we
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: have Curtis painter.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: Well, God, right. Exactly. You don't want to get there,
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: but it's like when Eagles got to AJ feel it,
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: who knew nobody knew he could have also not done anything.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: Would it go from McNabb to, to Coy to AJ?
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: Is that what it was? Yeah.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: And by the way, AJ, remember we did the remote
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: with him, AJ. And he told us, that how did
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: he find out they signed Michael Vick? He found out
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: at halftime.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he told the team and he goes, and he said,
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: there goes my job.
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  Speaker 1: It's true. Oh, it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I actually remember being at the stadium that night and
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: seeing the report at halftime and we're like, well, what,
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: what's going on here?
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly. We were all scrambling. And then Deontay Lawson's done
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: some good things. You know, he's come back from the
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: ACL injury. He's a good developmental guy for the practice squad,
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: but the one guy who, He's been in the league
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: with two teams. His chance, Campbell, that's a guy to
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  Speaker 2: keep an eye on.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: There you go. All right, so let's move to the
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: back end. Vic is great because he gives you the answers, right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you may not like the answers, and we're
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: about to talk about some answers that aren't great. But
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: on Thursday– I'm sorry, Wednesday, he basically said, talking about depth,
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: you know, you got Reek Willen and Quinion, and behind
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  Speaker 1: them he said– Max McWilliams. And he said, Kelly Ringo.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, Oh, I was first. He said, Jonathan Jones.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, look, Jones, Jones has some practice. We
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: got to get him back out here, which he actually
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  Speaker 1: did return to practice on Wednesday. So that was a
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: good sign, but he made it. So he said, those
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: are the guys. So, and honestly, who else would they
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: be that you need bodies, but this is Adam where,
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: when you talk about the initial 53, 53, the fluid
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: 53 what it looks like today because no matter what
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: Vic says you know Howie Roseman is not comfortable with
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  Speaker 1: that those as his backup if he is yeah I'll
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: pass it out you're talking about a 33 year old
• 12:53
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  Speaker 1: year who didn't play at all in year one and
• 13:01
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• 13:04
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• 16:26
  Speaker 2: He's been here. He knows the system, Ringo. Yeah. He's
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: gotten a little better. Folks, as I said three years ago,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: he's no better than a four. I was wrong. He's
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: no better than a five.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I apologize. Yeah. But he's healthy. He's always healthy. And
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: he can run in a straight line. He's an elite
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: special teams coverage player. But he's just not a corner.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Like Chris Maragos, okay, was a safety by trade. Elite,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: elite special teams player. But... We've talked about this before.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: When Marcos had to play defense, he was almost like
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: in Cherry Hill. He was so far. He was like
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: 25 yards back.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not joking. Go check the tape. I know.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I remember.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: It was crazy. From the press box, you're like, what
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: the hell? Did they really think he can't do anything?
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: He was in a different zip code. You're right.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But, yeah, now I understand something. If Howie's willing
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: to do this, trade for a corner, that's fine. They
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: don't need to trade for a corner. Just go through
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: the cut list. You want someone who knows the match system, okay?
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: That is super important. Ja'Cory Bennett hasn't gotten it. He's
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: hurt anyway, and he just didn't get the system, okay?
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: So that trade was a failure. You got to make
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: sure the guy knows the system. Because to bring in
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: a guy who can at this point, like you could
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: bring any veteran on the street, sign him to the
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: practice squad. The guy's got to understand where he's at.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: The top three spots are taken. You could be our
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: fourth corner. That's the selling point and have a chance
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: to do something in the playoffs. That's it.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Where's old friend Kindle Vildor? Wasn't he on one of
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the teams that the Eagles played?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he– I think– Is he a Raven? He– I
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: just saw him.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like his name recently.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Came up for something. And here's the thing about Vildor.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: He could play nickel and he could play corner. Like
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: he was not really– what happened with him was when
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the lions went down to like their fourth or fifth corner, he,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: they put them a corner. They put them from, they
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: move them from nickel to the corner and he did
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: a yeoman's job. I mean, he's, you know, not ideal.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: You don't want them really playing on the outside. You
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: want them playing inside, but yeah, there'll be plenty of
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: these guys.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And as I mentioned, he is with the Patriots, by
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. There you go. I know I saw him. So, but,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: and we'll explain more about this on future shows, but
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: just to give you the cliffhanger version, What you see
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: a lot is when these players are cut, the clubs
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: want to sign them, don't sign them back week one.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: They sign them week two. That way they don't guarantee
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: a salary for the full season as a vested veteran.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: So that's the role. That's why you see the spate
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: of these things that happens after week one. But for
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: the totality of the season, they need a veteran corner.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: If you want to make another run, obviously the Rams
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: have something to say about that. But if you want
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: to make a run for the playoffs, you've got to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: have a better insurance policy. Then Jonathan Jones is 33
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: hurt last season hurt. Now they roll the dice at
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: 22 and they got away with it. Don't do it again. Yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: You don't, you don't want to luck is luck is
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: not something you want to wish for.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: It'd be interesting to see if he plays Friday night.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: On one hand, he needs some reps. I mean, he's
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: missed some time. He's missed time. You don't want him
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to get hurt again.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: You know? Yeah. I don't, he's super valuable. He's one
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: play away from having to start.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: And that's the problem folks. If the other two corners
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: can't play and he's starting your third corner is.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: You Right now it's Mac McWilliams. But that's where I
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: think what we're discussing is if Howie's making a move,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: because there's not going to be a lot of really
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: good corners available, if Howie's making a move, it's to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: upgrade corner four. Because that's where... Jones is on the three.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: We're not questioning it. He's the three. There's no one challenged.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Even with being out, there's no one challenging him. You
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: want to upgrade number four. Again, it could be a
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: practice squad sign.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: So to move on, To be fair, Vic has praised
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Mack McWilliams a little bit more than... I thought he would.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I thought he did play decently against the Patriots. There
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: were a couple of receptions that were given up, but
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: right in front of him. I think it was an
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: average of like four yards per something. We have all
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the information inside the data that is coming out Friday morning.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Sam went through it. We focused on Max McWilliams. So
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the kids should be given some opportunity. This is one
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: of the few guys who you watch on Friday, and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: yet you understand he's going against backups, but you're still
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: looking for good, solid play and signs of encouragement.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, during the practices, he gave up the joints.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: He gave up some plays, made some plays. He's a
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: physical corner. There are a lot of teams that liked him,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you know, not a speed guy sort of plays bigger
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: than his listed size. He's under five 11, but he
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: is physical.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: No, no corner. He's not played corner here. I mean,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: excuse me. He's not played safety here. They've not done that.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I know some teams mentioned it to us maybe someday,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: but he's played nickel and he's played corner and, Boy,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: they need that developmental corner the worst way, man. They
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: need a young corner who they can develop. He's developing
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but they really need to add a
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: veteran for the totality of the season on the practice squad.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be in the 53.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: How about our old friend, former Eagles nickelback, might be
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: starting safety for the Lions, Devontae Maddox, depending on whether
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: or not they can get Brands and Kirby back.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: They have Kirby Joseph, man. He is an absolute star,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: but his knee is so bad.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: They're both really good. Branch is a really good player.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Branch is a stud. In fact, I remember the Lions
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: telling me they thought at one point he was the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: best corner. When he got there, they were trying to
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: figure out is he a safety, nickel, or corner?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: And they play him a little bit of corner, but
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: mostly nickel and safety. He's a stud, but he's coming
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: back from major injury. Their cornerback depth is terrible. I
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: didn't like them last year, and I was proven right.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: They were my breakout team like four years ago, but
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: injuries matter, and they've not done an adequate job at
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: corner or edge rush. You know, the Marcus Davenport signing–
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: As good as Brad Holmes is, he just couldn't get
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: away from the guy. I don't know what his fascination
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: with the guy is. Always hurt.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And he relied on him. He rolled snake eyes. And
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: there's a reason why guys like Howie, John Schneider. Brad
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Holmes is really good. Look, he's one of the best
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: GMs in Lions history. He's a top five GM. Yeah.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: But there's a reason why some teams just can't beat
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the injury bug.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And you've got to look at the way you train. Yep.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: You know, we crushed the Eagles in 2018, whatever year,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I think it was. It was our second year of
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: our company. Yeah. And they just had a tip. But
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: there were a lot of mistakes. Talking to agents about it,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: they were really upset.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, Howie shook it up. He did
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: shake up their medical department very significantly. He took responsibility.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: That's how you do it, by the way. You take
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a look at it. Yeah. Bring Arsh Denodin from Penn.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: And Tom Hunkley came back, who was with them. They
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: went to Minnesota with Childress, came back. Yep. They're great.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, knock on wood, hopefully they have a good
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: injury season here.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Health and everything. But they do it well, man. One
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: more epilogue to this. And for as much as he
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: got crushed and he deserved it, Chip Kelly bringing in
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: sports science here. Like, they were doing it. The Eagles
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: will defend that themselves. But not to the degree that
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Chip did.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: And you got to give him credit. Chip, for all
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: his problems, bringing in Stout, obviously, major grand slam. and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: some other coaches. Yeah, pretty good. Better than you think
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: he was.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Ryan Pagnetti was brought in for a chip.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Pagnetti brothers. Pagnetti brothers.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Pagnetti brothers. Ryan was the big fourth down analytics
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: guy for Doug during a Super Bowl run, the first
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. All right, so that's the corner situation. Safety. Look,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, Vicks, I think also he gives you the–
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Marcus Epps was a starter, and he's being challenged. He's
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: still calling it a competition. Here's my take on it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Because I think Michael Carter's played well. He had another
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: interception practice on Wednesday. Vic said he just wants him
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: more experience at safety. You know, he's played nickel for
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: most of his career. Now he's playing safety. It's not exactly.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: There's differences. You know that. So he sounds like he's
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: comfortable right now. with what he's seen from Marcus Epps,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: but he likes Carter enough to say, hey, if he
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: continues to get reps and practice and throughout the first
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: few weeks of the month, and if there's a change
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that needs to be made or we have an injury,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I'm fine with Michael Carter at safety. That's what I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: took from what he said. And basically what I've seen
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: from Michael Carter, this camp is a good camp. So
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I think he's adjusting well. And again, you have Dajin
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: playing all those snaps at safety anyway, next to Makuba.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: When they go to nickel, then it becomes... Marcus Epps. Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Well, he also has played dive safety, Carter. And I
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: think Andrew said it very well. His versatility has been
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: actually a curse in terms of him starting. Yeah. Because
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: he's back up nickel, back up, well, competing for a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: safety job and also dive safety. And he had not
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: played safety since college. He did not play. I was
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: told he didn't play safety for the Jets. They moved
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: him to nickel as soon as they drafted him. Now,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: what people thought was safety, they didn't think it was
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: safety in Jets. So, but I remember some of the
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: jets saying, Hey, he's going to play safety for Philly.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: This is last year and they cross train them, but
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: now they got a full off season doing it. Vic
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: said he hasn't really done it before. Well, he meant
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: since college. Correct. So they're okay. Look, they have four
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: guys and this is another position, whether it's Andre Sam
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: on the practice squad or veteran, you know how I
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: did say they're going to sign. So when they went up,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: not doing it, that's okay. You're allowed to change your mind.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: But overall, This roster's pretty good. If everybody's healthy, and
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: obviously the big, the red herring here is Grenard. That's just,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: had he not gotten hurt, my God, this defense, the
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: starting unit, in Macuba, like safety's a little shaky. Woolen's
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: got to play more consistently. Vic kind of told the truth,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: like he always does. But overall, the talent level, the
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: starting 11's really.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Really good. It is really good. Oh, and I guess Wisniewski,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: did he practice at the open practice? Because he had
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a concussion. No, no. I think he had a concussion
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: in the game. Yeah, he had a concussion. So he
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: finally comes back, gets to play against the Patriots, and
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: now he's out with a concussion. It's like a snake-bitten
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: camp for the guy. I feel bad for him.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: OTAs too. Remember, he had the hamstring in OTAs. Yeah,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: it's tough when you're– your seventh round pick, you can't
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: help the club when you're in the tub. It's just,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: it is what it is. And boy, it was, that
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: is a position where it's like one of these unheralded kids.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, Gushakin, our guy, Max, you know, I think
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: they played well.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I think that they're for, for what they are for
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: undrafted free agents.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I pay attention to them in practice. They don't look lost.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: They're not committing penalties. I don't know that there's room
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: for them, but I would like them to figure out
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: how to get them on the practice squad because I
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: think they deserve some more development time.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, and that's what the practice squad is for. But unfortunately,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: to get them there, you have to waive them first.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know that either– they're both undrafted
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: free agents, right? Oh, yeah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if they were claimed. Shocked. I don't
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: see– the only– Yeah, in fact, I got to see
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: if they guaranteed any of their base salary instead of
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: just giving a signing bonus. I have to see what
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: their contracts look like. But overall, yeah, not like the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: offensive one was fun. I mean, I remember when we
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: were taping that show on Wednesday morning, I was like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I could have done two hours on that show because
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: there's so much going on.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: There's a lot.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: So many scenarios. And when you, me, and Andrew do
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: our 53-man roster show, that to me is going to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: be the hardest we've ever done. I'm like pulling my
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: hair out on this thing. It's like I got– I
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: can't– I cannot– I can't settle on enough. Like I
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: can't forget the tight end situation because of, because of
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the Hollywood Browns contract. He's a lock to make it. Yep.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I know people want to put Carson steel.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Unless he's traded. Right. Unless he's traded.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Someone's going to trade for $ 5 million.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Honestly, Adam, I would have ordinarily said no, but there
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: have been, like, what, four or five major injuries at
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: wide receiver? It's true. Like Ricky Pearsall, Jaden Higgins, somebody
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the other day just went down.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, but here's why.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Jordan Tyson.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Yep. Oh, yeah, Jordan. Jordan Tyson is such a– he's
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: just one of the worst injury histories I've ever seen.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: He got hurt again. He's going to be out a while. No,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: what you can do, if you really want to get
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: like a fifth round pick or fourth round pick, fourth
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: is way too much. Fifth round pick, hey, hey, just
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: like the Eagles did with Dalton, they're going to pay
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: a million and a half. The Panthers are paying two
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and a half. The Panthers were going to do anything
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to get to move Dalton. Like they were like, let's say, hey,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: what will it take for you to take him off
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: our hands?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: We'll eat two and a half. You take one and
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: a half. We'll get a seventh. Sure. Like for Hollywood, yeah. Like, okay,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: we'll take a million and a half. You take three
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and a half.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Give us a fifth. Yeah. Okay.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Give us your sixth. Based on these parameters, you can
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: be a fifth. Right.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: The Dolphins are going to be sixth. like malik washington
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: and caleb douglas.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Oh oh now now the hell he could now.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: They're not trying to spend money because they're taking all
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: these but if you cash.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah they're spending like okay they are trying to kill
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of money a lot of cash but oh
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: oh and uh.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: They owe everybody. They owe Chubb a lot of cash.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Two over $ 50 million.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Chubb is still making, right? Isn't Chubb still giving them
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: dead cap money?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Well, dead, but not cash.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Not cash.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: But he might get a little bit of cash. But
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: either way.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: They need receivers. As we said before, man, their situation
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: is so dire. I love what Jeff Halfley, their head coach,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: his comments were like, wow. He wasn't happy. And I
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: saw them with commandos two weeks ago. They were absolutely horrendous,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: the Dolphins. Just one of the worst rosters I've ever
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: seen live. Like, just terrible. I was doing a Dolphins pod,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and I was telling this guy, I was like, dude,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: if Halfway gets five wins or more, I have to
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  Speaker 2: vote for him for coach of the year.
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  Speaker 1: It's so bad.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine saying five wins is like an achievement?
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  Speaker 1: No, I can't. But I've seen that Dolphins roster, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, wow. Hey, Philly fans, game day is
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  Speaker 1: we'll do our annual, because we'll have that dead period
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  Speaker 1: of one extra week of camp, but there will be
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: no open practices. And so we'll only have a little stuff.
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  Speaker 1: We can do our bottom five teams, top 10 teams
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