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- Lucas: So the World Cup gave bars and restaurants a much-needed boost last quarter, but the Fed's latest Beige Book also says consumers are flashing warning signs. That's a pretty specific tension, and I think it's worth drilling into. Luna: It's the classic one-off event masking underlying weakness question, right? How does the Fed even parse that? Lucas: Exactly. So the Beige Book came out last week—it's this anecdotal summary of economic conditions from the twelve regional Fed banks. And for July, several districts noted that the World Cup drove a noticeable uptick in foot traffic and spending at bars, restaurants, and hotels. But the same report flagged that consumers are pulling back on discretionary goods, and credit card delinquencies are inching up. Luna: So you've got a sugar high from tourism and event spending, but the underlying trend is softer. Lucas: Right. And the Fed's job is to look through the noise. They don't want to overreact to a temporary boost—or miss a genuine slowdown. The question is: how much of the recent data is World Cup, and how much is real? Luna: Let's look at the numbers we have. CPI came in at 332.6 for June, down from 333.98. Core CPI essentially flat. So inflation is cooling, but not collapsing. Lucas: And wholesale prices actually declined 0.3 percent in June, driven by a big drop in gasoline. That's disinflationary. But then you have import prices from China posting a surprise gain—highest since 2008, according to CNBC. So there are crosscurrents. Luna: That import price number is interesting because imported goods costs have been a big part of the inflation story. If those are rising again, even as domestic wholesale prices fall, the Fed can't just declare victory. Lucas: No, and I think that's the key takeaway. The Beige Book's World Cup mention is useful because it shows the Fed is aware of these event-driven distortions. But the real signal is in the consumer caution. The Fed funds rate is at 3.63 percent, flat. The market is pricing in a cut later this year, but the data is still mixed. Luna: So how do you separate the signal from the noise when you're on the FOMC? I mean, you've got anecdotal evidence from business contacts, plus the hard data. Lucas: The Beige Book is actually a good window into that. It's not just numbers—it's conversations. Business owners saying, 'World Cup was great, but now I'm seeing reservations drop off.' Or 'I'm not restocking inventory because I'm not sure demand will hold.' That kind of texture matters. Luna: Honestly, if walking through the economy with us has made something click, that's the kind of insight we aim for. If today was worth a coffee to you, that's the link—buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Keeps us ad-free and doing this. Lucas: Yeah, listener support is what lets us stay independent. So if you find value in these deep dives, that's the spot. Appreciate it. Luna: Anyway, back to the World Cup effect. Lucas, you mentioned the services sector—bars and restaurants. That's a big part of the inflation picture too, because services inflation has been stickier than goods. Lucas: Exactly. The Fed watches services inflation closely because it's more tied to wages and domestic demand. If the World Cup temporarily boosted services spending, that could mask a slowdown in services inflation. But the Beige Book suggests the boost was real but fading. Luna: One district noted that restaurant owners are optimistic but cautious. They're not hiring aggressively. That's a sign they don't expect the boost to last. Lucas: Right. And that feeds into the labor market, which is another key metric for the Fed. If businesses aren't hiring, wage growth could moderate, which would help bring down services inflation. But we haven't seen that yet. The participation rate has been ticking up, but wage growth is still above pre-pandemic trends. Luna: So the Fed is in a wait and see mode. They have to balance the risk of easing too early—and letting inflation reaccelerate—against the risk of keeping rates too high for too long and causing a recession. Lucas: And that's where the import price data from China adds a wrinkle. If those costs keep rising, it could put upward pressure on goods prices again, even as services cool. The Fed can't just look at the headline CPI. Luna: The ten-year breakeven inflation rate is at 2.24 percent, up slightly from 2.22 percent. That suggests the market sees inflation staying around the Fed's target. But breakevens can be noisy too. Lucas: They are. But the fact that they're not collapsing is interesting. It suggests the market isn't pricing in a deflationary spiral, even with the wholesale price drop. So the Fed probably doesn't feel pressured to cut aggressively. Luna: Let's talk about the consumer side more. The Beige Book mentioned that consumers are flashing warning signs—what exactly does that mean? Are they cutting back on essentials or just discretionary? Lucas: It's mostly discretionary. People are still spending on rent, food, and healthcare. But they're pulling back on dining out, electronics, and travel—unless it's a big event like the World Cup. Retailers are offering more promotions to get people in the door. Luna: That sounds like a classic late-cycle behavior. Consumers are still employed, so they're not in crisis mode, but they're becoming more price-sensitive. Lucas: Exactly. And that's why the Fed is watching services inflation so carefully. If consumers start trading down to cheaper options, that could force businesses to compete on price, which would help bring inflation down. But it's a slow process. Luna: One thing that stood out to me from the Beige Book was the mention of credit card delinquencies. That's a lagging indicator, but it's starting to tick up. If that becomes a trend, it could signal that consumers are stretched. Lucas: Yeah, and the Fed pays attention to that because it affects financial stability. But right now, it's still low by historical standards. The question is whether it's a blip or the start of a trend. Luna: So given all this, what's your take on the next FOMC meeting? Do you think they'll hold steady again? Lucas: I think they hold. The data is too mixed to justify a cut, and they don't want to seem like they're reacting to temporary factors like the World Cup. They'll want to see a few more months of data to confirm the trend. Luna: And if the World Cup boost fades and consumer spending softens further, that could tip the balance toward a cut later in the year. Lucas: Right. But you also have the geopolitical risks—the Hormuz situation, China's slow growth. Those could push inflation up if oil prices spike or supply chains get disrupted. So it's not a straightforward path. Luna: It never is. But I think the key insight from today is that the Fed is trying to see through the noise. The World Cup was a nice boost, but it doesn't change the underlying story: the economy is cooling, but not collapsing, and inflation is coming down, but not fast enough to declare victory. Lucas: Exactly. And that's why they're data-dependent. Every month gives them a new piece of the puzzle. June's numbers are encouraging, but July and August will be critical. Luna: So we'll be watching. And as always, if this helps you make sense of the Fed, we're glad. Lucas: Thanks for being here.