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Cardiac Bears Continue With Comeback Win Over Giants · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, the cardiac bears were added again on the leg front this afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to the Winders City podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course you see Alex Shapiro right now right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I meant to say, and of course you see me, kind of Davis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bears defeat the New York City Giants football Giants 2420.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was seems like what seemed like a loss to Ricky Sensation Jackson Dart went out with own concussion protocol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me say he went out due to concussion protocol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After a costly phone booth, so shout out to CJ Gardner Johnson for causing that phone booth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been really revelation since he's joined the team with pressure in the quarterback and also just situational turnovers like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb did what Caleb does and he's been pulling a lot of who deemies out of, I'm not a rabbit out of the hat in the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he did it one more time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about the positives.
0:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, Alex, kind of a little bit of difference.
0:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
0:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we got to start off on the best parts of Caleb.
1:00
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams went 2436 for 220 yards through the air, one CD, zero in exceptions, and 83 QB rating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also had eight rushes for 63 yards, 7.9 average.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, V touch down to close the game out and a long of 29 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like in the fourth quarter, he had a run for 29 and a run for 17.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he, he put them on his back in the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some darts, it's to let's start off with the positives, the Caleb's Alex, what were your thoughts?
1:40
[SPEAKER_00]: On the bear's quarterback this afternoon, his performance versus the Giants.
1:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought he was phenomenal, honestly, throughout the day.
1:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So as Kenneth alluded, we were texting back and forth, and we actually differed on this a little bit where I was like, Caleb is playing out of his mind or something, right?
1:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, I don't know, yeah, the playmaking is good, but see more in the structure.
2:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I went on Twitter to see what Twitter was saying about it.
2:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was surprised that so many people on Twitter were like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Caleb Williams needs to be out playing his opponent definitively and Caleb leaves me doing this that and the other thing and I'm like are we watching the same game because you mentioned 24 of 36 right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: 20 of 36.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 20 of 36.
2:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this game looks a whole lot different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If Caleb Williams' wider severs help him out a little bit more and drop the ball a little less.
2:40
[SPEAKER_02]: This has become an issue now with, it wasn't today with Roman Dunes.
2:44
[SPEAKER_02]: A Roman Dunes, they were solid, but last week Roman Dunes, a drop of footballs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of me as a KES has been dropping football throughout the year, and DJ Moore, it's a little bit of a tougher play, but do drop a touchdown on what was a truly spectacular throw from Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So not only does that,
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[SPEAKER_02]: take touchdowns off the board, that's taken highlights away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just makes everything look and feel different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you give them those five completions, and you know, I'm not counting the Roma Dunes A1 that went off his fingertips, I'm not counting that as a drop, because that was a much, much tougher play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, like, the Olamida's the KES drops, the DJ Moore drop, and I, there was like a deandry swift, just flat out drop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got those five.
3:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of a sudden, Caleb Williams is now completed, damn near 70% of his passes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to add a whole lot more yards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So again, it's like, this is where I think the stat sheet can sometimes lie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I thought Caleb Williams, like obviously the late game heroics were unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have talked about in the past on this show, the defense is doing great, the running game is doing great, and Caleb Williams is making enough plays to win.
4:01
[SPEAKER_02]: but the bears need to win a game because of Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Caleb Williams needs to put the team on his back and win a football game for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he did that today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Today in that fourth quarter, whether it was making the reads, whether it was the scrambling as you mentioned the runs, or I mean, that just bull it to Roma Dunesay where he is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: going through his progressions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You see him snap snap sap so quickly bam and it's just like instantaneously he's open perfect throw.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was looking really good in structure growing through his reads.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously the playmaking outside of structure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is spectacular, and then his ability to avoid sacks today was unreal, Kenneth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that giant's past rush is no joke.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they got a bunch of past rushers, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like paper, oh, and they, through, they got the own paper to tell us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, guys.
5:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the thing, those guys who are guys were in his face all day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you said it perfectly, you called him Houdini,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they just could not bring him down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Time after time again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, psych, not bringing me down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was either scramble out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't always scramble up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it was step up and deliver a throw.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Caleb Williams, I thought was just absolutely phenomenal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, one that football game for the bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not on the Twitter as OX as much as I used to back in the days, particularly caring about what people have to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't go over there just to keep those people some ammo, Jackson Dart before going out was 19 or 29 for 242 yards, zero TDs, even though he got him with a
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[SPEAKER_00]: 91.5 QB rating, he rushed for six attempts for 66 yards, 11 yard average for two to two TVs and a long 24.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, I'm not like definitely I won't kale to be the best quarterback on the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things that I think that we talked about when we did our preview for this game was actually, the game was going to be on Jackson dark Jackson dark weapons are gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, when the neighbors can sky the boo are gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was going to have to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think that he was going to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was something that we talked about with Snoop Huntley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think he was going to their bears are going to allow him to run on them like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that that Raven's audition was enough to know hey watch out and you know that he was going to probably have to do this being that he's everything in that offense but I also say this you mentioned a drops now all through the game we heard that Theo Johnson
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[SPEAKER_00]: the tight end for the giant who had eight targets for seven reception 75 yards that he was having to drop season all of this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So drops are part of any, any offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can't just sit there and be like, well, they dropped them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These, these drops were a lot more of, it was less on Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's like Caleb, you're leaving them too much or it's just a bad pass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These were, these were balls that were
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb, and this is something you just said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been waiting, I've been holding off on this because we are here because of the bears, but I wanna be just with this and not just be a meatball or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I've ever seen, like I was trying to think, have I ever seen a quarterback this difficult to sack in my life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know like that's a huge sample size, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then I start thinking like yeah, okay, two guys that jumped out to me is John L. Way and Steve McNair, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I can see people holding their collars now and L. Way McNair pulling out of a sack and calling their ass down the field, right?
8:01
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I was thinking about that one, both of those guys are mountain of men.
8:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like these are our predestiming now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are huge 6364, mid 200 pounds, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like these are big guys, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also the ad with Caleb is his elucidness, outside of just being hard to sack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's first of all is due to Caleb's strength.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His lower body strength.
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[SPEAKER_00]: allows him to break free of tackles ridiculously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's at the the rate is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not supposed to be that unsackable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, people have their hands on him and he's like, now it's to the point of my yeah, he's going to probably get out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm waiting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like it's like what in the world like what so that and again we know even watch him at SC you saw some of that but he wasn't on the field with the athletes that he's on the field with right now these are the best of the best in the world defenders and he's breaking free of their these these are six six
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[SPEAKER_00]: BMuffs, jets, BMuffs, all right, like these, and he's still breaking loose and insane clip, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like so, I wanna say that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I whole-killed to a high standard though, and until we see where his ceiling is gonna be set, then I'll change those expectations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand what some people are saying now, when I'm saying through structure, and this is something that I've been saying a lot
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are open players out there and Caleb has a tendency to hold on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, of course, for the home run hit, but one, and this is now, this is just my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has not become as comfortable with
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[SPEAKER_00]: Throwing the ball before the receivers are open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he wants to see, and I'm sticking perhaps why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Caleb doesn't want to turn the ball over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, he is going to have to, and there's going to be turnovers in this, in receptions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trust that that receiver is going to be open, in structure, and get the ball out before the receiver breaks to whatever whichever way he's going to break to open up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of waiting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you set this in his right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was, there was a lot of pressure on him, like we've been talking a lot about the offensive line, particularly when it comes to the run, run pro, but in past pro and, and a lot of it, unfortunately, and again, he was thrust into the situation comes from the old Benedict, like, there's a lot of heat coming from that left side, you know what I'm saying, there's a lot of times where
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[SPEAKER_00]: hike number one two three and that edge rusher is right there already and Caleb has to do the spin move, which is one of the great spin move guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we had a guy that became really nice with the spin move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've got a real good spin in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels wasn't that first, he became a survivor with the spin move, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb is actually better at the spin move than Justin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not as fast as Justin, but the spin move and Justin had more power, but I've never seen someone grab you on both sides.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like he zooms in the edge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, a lot of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but still the structure part and I think he can do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and you have to, you have to allow him, you have to be malleable and you, you heard in the post game interviews of Ben Johnson and he said it prior to that that he doesn't have to call perfect plays because Taylor can do some of the things that he does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right, but the game needs to be simpler is sometimes Caleb isn't making it simpler and that's where I think is the the issue where I'm like he needs to play with instructions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It sometimes it just needs to be one, two, three ball out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't always, one, two, three, twerrel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, and particularly now and I know this I shouldn't look into the future as far.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that I'm like, well, what happens when he's not this athletic, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or he gets injury where kind of slows him down, because it's not like he is like a supreme athlete.
12:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where's like, man, he's running a four or four out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if he gets hurt, it'd just be like a four or five and a half.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, it's, so it, and then, like, Princess, he got tripped up with his ankle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy that he fought through that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know I shouldn't be looking down, you know, saying down the years, but it just crosses my mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's my only issue with Caleb is sometimes,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be unjust to say some of the stagnation in the offense isn't due to him getting the ball out like he back here Kits and now like get the ball out like get the ball out, bro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just need to get out again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy for what he can do I'm not sitting here like he is an inch and he's not gonna be it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not what I'm saying whatsoever I love the fact that he is a fourth quarter genie in all Alex, but that's just how I felt through our Texas chains during the game today I think
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're right, like he definitely get the ball out faster, right?
12:53
[SPEAKER_02]: If we're going to, if we are going to critique, he could definitely get the ball out faster at times, sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I still think a year and a half into this thing, half a year into.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then Johnson, I still think he makes throws.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The layering better than we've ever seen in a long time, and I do still think he makes more anticipation throws more than we've ever seen in in recent memory.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he's a low bar it's a low bar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a low bar and yes, there is a ways to go, but I do think like again It kind of blew my mind again on Twitter and it was before obviously these fourth quarter heroics are I'm like man People got crazy expectations are I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like I was just
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[SPEAKER_02]: seeing, I just felt differently than apparently all of bears to wear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think if you're a bear's fan, you have a lot to be, to be thankful for.
13:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, let me look at the Russian numbers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not the Andre Swift actually.
14:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I ended up did having it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a great
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[SPEAKER_02]: Great game when it came down to it 13 carries for ADRs at 6.2 guard per carry average coming on guy had a four yard per carry average and the touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the run game was still solid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like it was not run guys were getting like it's not like they were getting like stuff stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously over 6 yard per carry is great for Swift.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But but in that fourth quarter and in that second half early, you know, they they needed him to pick it up and get it done and he.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He just wants again to it, right?
14:35
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about it where he's developing into a guy where if it's, if it's the fourth quarter and you're down 10 points, it's just like, just okay, just give Caleb Williams a chance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Give him the bonus hands, late in the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with an opportunity to tire a win it and and all of a sudden you feel pretty good, you know, it's he is starting to feel like and this offense overall.
15:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we also need to to throw flowers at Ben Johnson who has consistently schemeed guys open who has consistently had a good feel for that run game, you know, the balance is still good, the play calling is good,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, where we're truly that offense overall, you're starting to feel like, okay, even if it's been ugly for a while, if it's close to the fourth quarter and the balls in their hand, they got a shot, they got a shot.
15:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, dude, we're talking about 7 and 22.
15:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's like, this wasn't just one score behind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you were several, you were a couple scores where you had to make up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to give Caleb his props.
15:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be a knock on him and a plus at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard being someone who has rooted for the bears and has not had a quarterback who consistently perform fourth quarter wizardry, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, it's like, damn, does he need the two-minute drill?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, is that, because like, when it's the script, don't a script out, let him do what he's gonna do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where the growth has to take place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where he can be this great two-minute drill quarterback, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where the pace is sped up, or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, he can be a guy with instructor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that can win, not just sustain, but it doesn't even have to get to this point, you know, like maybe the point for the most part in features because the defense had a bad game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So even like the last game, right, for instance, where it was, it was arms race basically as far as what took place with the bank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that wasn't the offensive spot.
16:46
[SPEAKER_00]: That was, you know, the defense is falling today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was definitely some issues with the defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look,
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[SPEAKER_02]: To your point to your point though, you brought it up to your point.
16:56
[SPEAKER_02]: It was 20 to 10 the giants took that 10 point with 10 with 10 minutes to go in the game, you know, like this wasn't they, this wasn't like they made it to score thing in the third quarter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were into the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When the giants made it a two score game and it was like, oh my god, this bears offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't have anything all day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now they got a score twice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whoa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In 10 minutes, they got it done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, the party had Paris just continue to get it done when they need to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you have to give props too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we can't sit here and have been mad about a quarterback not being able to just to win games in a fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now when that's all our quarterback does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was just not greedy.
17:42
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, you deserve the world.
17:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want fans to be greedy.
17:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm what you because I think here in a lot of sports town, but I'm talking about ours in Chicago.
17:57
[SPEAKER_00]: We settle sometimes too often.
18:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we love the people we settle for instead of being like, you know what, we demand more.
18:05
[SPEAKER_00]: We want more.
18:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you were done with the play in balls, we're done with the play in balls play offs balls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like we deserve better and but the thing is it looks like it can improve and again, to to be to their horse, it's I believe and it seems like we have the the coach to make sure that it gets done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there were some other things or offense that I wanted to point out, coast and leveling again was for for today, that snatch in the fourth quarter when he snatched the ball out of the air, he had 55 yards in the long of 20.
18:40
[SPEAKER_00]: the hands on that man without that that was he like tell it was throw a burners down the stretch right you mentioned one of them I am a number ten pick in the draft catch yes yes you make when you are the number ten pick in the draft and you and that it and he needs you to make that because if you don't catch that the defenders get that bad boy like that was
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[SPEAKER_00]: some heat right there so it was good to see that coast in love and isn't being stagnant that perhaps this will be the gross spurt in his young NFL career.
19:08
[SPEAKER_00]: So I definitely want to point that out.
19:10
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned the run game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The run game wasn't great today.
19:13
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, this is one of the reasons why I was always been a big fan of Ben Johnson.
19:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He's stuck with it.
19:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was, it didn't look like it was great partially and Alex, you mentioned this.
19:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the names on the back of the jerseys for the Giants of the D-Liamen.
19:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like those gaps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, they're back up linebackers as they had a lot of engines in lineback and core.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were filling in gaps and they were doing good, but then the bears running backs have gotten better within this system.
19:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were times where they could exploit 10-yard games.
19:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Andre Swift has just been a really good player.
19:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you sneeze, but bless you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A really good player down the street.
19:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But then it also helps again when you have a quarterback that can rush for 60 something on your heart.
19:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was good.
19:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I appreciate, this is my problem with this game.
19:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And why?
19:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't like to play with cardiac like that because people have issues.
20:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, and I'll sit to hell before we come on here.
20:05
[SPEAKER_00]: This bears a mess with my pressure, right?
20:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the greedy part.
20:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Speem media people.
20:12
[SPEAKER_00]: We we had times over the last years where Alex and I Josh whole team will have to get in our studio and think, oh my goodness, what are we going to talk about for the next nine weeks because the season is over.
20:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and it's really wanted, yeah, wanting to be good.
20:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, cause, wanted to give you good content, something you don't know about.
20:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to start talking draft in October, except like, late September, October, and it's like, yeah, so, we'll start talking about that first pit, you know, like, you don't want to get changed anymore.
20:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you here to talk about college guys, to exactly in the case of that.
20:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like I'm complaining now because it was simply, even though it was dreaded that we went through those losing seasons.
21:01
[SPEAKER_00]: But now it's like, I got away to the fourth quarter and my heart's how I'm like goodness.
21:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like the roar, happy I wasn't in the press box.
21:08
[SPEAKER_00]: The roar after he ran that bad boy, came up up to South America.
21:13
[SPEAKER_00]: in my house was like, and that's, I mean, this is what we love this for.
21:18
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what fanaticism is short for fan is all about, but man, Alex is a lot.
21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, it's a lot in a good way out, no through the text, we didn't even see the text, you're like, this guy's bugging, but it's a lot.
21:31
[SPEAKER_02]: isn't it fun though it's a lot more fun to cover a team that does this stuff in the fourth quarter then the team that somehow finds a way to collapse in the fourth quarter.
21:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's like we we talked about it a little bit but it's like these are the diametrically opposed bears to themselves.
21:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean you know like the past bears took what looked like sure wins and turned them into losses and these bears just continue to find ways to turn what look like
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[SPEAKER_00]: lot more fun.
22:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
22:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But these losses also, these games, I should say, initially prior to the game wallpaper, you think these should be wins.
22:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they make them look, they snatch, you know, they snatch the victory out of the jaws of defeat.
22:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and that's where it's like, because I go ahead, what about to say winning in the NFL's tough man.
22:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Ask the Buffalo
22:30
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's winning, like look at the chiefs over the past couple of years, like there's been a streak now now that they've gotten Rishi Rice back where they look like to dominant chiefs again.
22:40
[SPEAKER_02]: But for a while, that was a team that was just winning ugly, but they just remained winning.
22:46
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they just kept winning even though it was winning ugly.
22:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And his Ben Johnson said like, you don't apologize for winning games in the national football league.
22:53
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to do where again, like the New Orleans Saints,
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[SPEAKER_02]: who look terrible.
23:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Look like one of the worst teams in the NFL, going against the Panthers who are, okay, nobody thought the Panthers are gonna be great going into this season, but they're coming off of a thrilling victory against the Packers, they're right in high, the Panthers are feeling their oats.
23:16
[SPEAKER_02]: It was this thing, you know, like it's it's tough to win in the NFL and sometimes, you know, like parody in the NFL is part of the NFL's super power.
23:25
[SPEAKER_02]: It's part of it's super power.
23:27
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, yes, should the bears have beaten the giants?
23:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, should they have beaten them in more decisive fashion?
23:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably, but they won.
23:35
[SPEAKER_02]: They got the W, baby.
23:36
[SPEAKER_00]: They got the W. Listen, anything on the offensive side.
23:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to go over any more?
23:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's turn the page to defense.
23:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I want to, before we jump on the bears defense, I gotta give some props out.
23:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, Jackson, dark.
23:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But first of all, Joe Davis, if I hear you say, swagged out just the, the plot that you would throw, it was so much like, oh my god, he's so swaggerlish.
24:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, relax me, let's just close back on my guy.
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like, first of all, I cornered back his out there in his swaggy and say, oh, and you only gave him one swag.
24:13
[SPEAKER_00]: One swag, did you give him?
24:15
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have the cool eyed black though.
24:17
[SPEAKER_02]: The eyed black.
24:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It is cool.
24:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
24:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes me think like brave heart or something.
24:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, exactly.
24:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
24:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I would not first start early in the season.
24:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you know what, I like what he does with the eyed black like that or whatever.
24:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, Jackson Dart, man, if you can stay healthy.
24:35
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be interesting watching your career and it being in New York is actually going to make it even more interesting, but the fact that he ran all over the Alex was upsetting to say to Lisa, what are you about to say?
24:48
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, now that you mentioned Jackson dark, this literally just lighted on me and I'm probably going to tweet someone about this because I just love tweeting about USC football.
24:56
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the second time this season that Caleb Williams has beaten a quarterback that he replaced.
25:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Earlier this year, he beat Spencer Rattler.
25:04
[SPEAKER_02]: He took Spencer Rattler's job at Oklahoma.
25:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Jackson Dart was the quarterback at USC.
25:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when Lincoln Riley came to town and brought Caleb Williams with him, Jackson Dart left and followed his guy, Lane Kiffin, to also, Caleb Williams for play Spencer Rattler.
25:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Caleb at Oklahoma, Caleb Williams for play Jackson Dart at USC.
25:28
[SPEAKER_02]: He's, he's showing, he's showing him like, yo.
25:31
[SPEAKER_02]: y'all made the y'all made the right choice twice in a row.
25:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess y'all is just one person, Lincoln Riley.
25:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Lincoln Riley made the right choice twice in a row at USC and Ed Oklahoma.
25:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Two and all against the guys you replaced.
25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because one guy got injured.
25:45
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, got to eat them, got to eat them.
25:48
[SPEAKER_00]: W. As Jackson started, got his eggs scrambled a little bit today.
25:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy one and I think most of us thought it was probably concussion because he was walking fine but I'm happy it wasn't something serious because that's what you run into when you run your quarterback like that.
26:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's going to be an issue when you have to use your quarterback in that manner that you're going unless he's Cam Newton and then you know that took years off of Cam Newton you saw why Cam Newton's career ended abruptly basically because physically you get warned down being a battering ram playing that position of if you're going to be
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And the bears unfortunately need it that to take place because honestly, let me ask you this if Jackson Dart doesn't get hurt Do you think the bears would have still won this game because you were texting me use it.
26:39
[SPEAKER_00]: That was time three right as far as So it looks like he was about to get the third rushing TD all right at some point during that drive and so when you when you're when you're saying that because if then at that point the run game is about to go out the window
26:54
[SPEAKER_00]: because you can't, we don't got time to sit here and kind of have a balanced offense.
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: We ought to get you try to throw the ball.
27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So, again, look, as you point, this is football and people get hurt in football.
27:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Both these teams have players that are out.
27:06
[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen the day that DJ Moore went out of the game.
27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw several Giants players go out of the game.
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something that's slating in their lineback.
27:14
[SPEAKER_00]: That happens or whatever.
27:16
[SPEAKER_00]: But the bears were able to benefit
27:18
[SPEAKER_00]: from the fact that a player that was playing phenomenally and soldier feel for the first time, unfortunately, went out of the game.
27:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, Jackson Dart, seeing it up a fly versus our team, even though the bear's defense isn't at the standard that we hope is going to be in in their future.
27:35
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a nice performance body, you know.
27:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And some of the throw, listen, that throw where he couldn't step up and he threw it over the offensive and defensive linemen.
27:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we could.
27:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Like right over Noah's wills had.
27:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a serious throw.
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: That was like that, so it's different compared to how he can run a football.
27:51
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you put the ball in certain places on top of being a mobile quarterback?
27:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So the bears went out to the day, but the bears defense, switching over to the defense, you know, really, most of the, the pressures was, was generated off a scheme more than the four down linemen, you had the fact that CJ Garter Johnson,
28:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He had two sacks today.
28:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody should block that guy.
28:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that will make sense.
28:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's coming off the edge.
28:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
28:23
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
28:23
[SPEAKER_00]: You should put something on him.
28:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You had a month as sweat had a second and a half to go ahead.
28:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe it was Dexter had the other half of that sack that month as sweat had.
28:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So you had, you know, three four sacks rather today.
28:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You need a more pressure and you need to contain it like.
28:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, looking further down the future with the bears in the quarterback sick on the face, this is going to be something that even more people try to exploit because you know that the bears in this system right now, Dennis Island, you can gain some yards with your quarterback.
28:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But your thoughts on the bears defensive performance today, Alex.
29:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I think that's a great point.
29:04
[SPEAKER_02]: The bears might have trouble against running quarterbacks.
29:07
[SPEAKER_02]: This is now Tyler Huntley and Jackson Dart have now kind of exposed a potential weakness for the bears where if the Philadelphia Eagles looking ahead, I'm talking about the Vikings.
29:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I am scheming up some quarterback draws and some RPO keeper situations for my quarterback
29:30
[SPEAKER_02]: It's now it's now been an issue.
29:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a copycat league and you can bet that teams are noticing rushing quarterbacks are having success against this defense.
29:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So they got to figure that out.
29:43
[SPEAKER_02]: They got to figure that out because the bears.
29:47
[SPEAKER_02]: run defense, which had been so bad against running backs earlier to their credit.
29:53
[SPEAKER_02]: They have figured that out.
29:54
[SPEAKER_02]: They were, they were playing really, really well.
29:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It got a little dicey there towards the end, especially when, like, the weird penalty was in there.
30:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Russell Wilson did not look very good at football today.
30:11
[SPEAKER_02]: but okay so so again like hats off they figured out the rushing game against the running backs so maybe DA can figure something out against mobile quarterbacks but that's something they're going to need to address but I want to talk more about Montez sweat because you brought him up and about the bears getting home with four guys question for you do you think Montez sweat
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[SPEAKER_02]: is having a better half of the season now, or a better half of the season.
30:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Like how do you think this compares to his half of the season in 2023 after the trade deadline when he came to the Bears?
30:46
[SPEAKER_00]: This is his second best half of season.
30:49
[SPEAKER_00]: If we're going to go of that, can I praise it like that?
30:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this is the stretch of that game games.
30:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, since the buy week, he's been good.
30:56
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been good since the buy week.
30:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see, even if he doesn't get the sacks, you can see the pressures.
31:02
[SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes you need to get the sacks to, particularly when you're a pay.
31:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And like a lot of these times, too, we're talking about he's singled up.
31:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not where it's double and it's like, Dan, he could almost, I'm just like, he almost got a guy on him and we need you to be able to beat that guy, because that's why you're paid as much in this defense, because you are the key factor on that defense of line, outside of whoever's playing the three, which is old man, grady right now, and we have to see, not enough.
31:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just just, we have to see when he's fully healthy.
31:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But why, why, why, okay, because I'm through that.
31:37
[SPEAKER_02]: 100% of bears fans would say, oh, that that second half of the year in 2023 after the bear's got him was way better than what we've seen out of Montes wet now.
31:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And it feels like that, right?
31:54
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think it feels like that because the defense was so bad before Montes wet arrived.
32:01
[SPEAKER_02]: we really felt that transformation, especially when it came to the interceptions, right?
32:07
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a big part of the TESA fact.
32:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Was the uptick in interceptions because he's creating all this pressure?
32:13
[SPEAKER_02]: What if I told you, Kenneth Davis, that the bears are getting those interceptions through these nine games, right?
32:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Interceptions have been a huge part of that defensive success.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In nine games in 2023, Montez sweat had six sacks and one force fumble.
32:29
[SPEAKER_02]: in nine games in twenty twenty five.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Montes, what has five and a half sacks and two four swumbles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So nearly identical numbers here.
32:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And you got precious on there.
32:42
[SPEAKER_02]: You got precious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
32:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't know.
32:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I think that's what the real difference keeps.
32:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, sure.
32:48
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know.
32:50
[SPEAKER_02]: My point is, he now has at least a sack four games in a row.
32:55
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been taking the football away.
32:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're right.
32:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he consistency, like we haven't seen what Max Crosby did to the bears for instance, where he was just literally unstoppable.
33:07
[SPEAKER_02]: You felt him all game long.
33:09
[SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't had a moment where it's like he is taking control of a football game.
33:15
[SPEAKER_02]: But Montess what I think has been making
33:18
[SPEAKER_02]: splash place.
33:19
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been getting the sacks.
33:21
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been solid in the run defense, I think.
33:23
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been tracking dudes down, making big stops.
33:27
[SPEAKER_02]: You're feeling him in that way.
33:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he obviously has those force fumbles where from a numbers perspective, like it's
33:36
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right there, it's right there with 2023.
33:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do think he is making more stops that aren't just like the spectacular splash plays, then he necessarily gets credit for it.
33:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think it's time to be like, hey, you know what?
33:49
[SPEAKER_02]: The bears needed Montes wet to step up and be the guy on the defensive line and I'm starting to see that more and more.
33:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm starting to feel that more and more where it's like, okay, yes, his fingerprints are on this thing.
34:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I need you to keep this up, moving forward.
34:06
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good.
34:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
34:07
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also, he reaches 20, 23 numbers.
34:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, he's 20, 24 numbers.
34:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Last year, he had five and a half sacks and two force fumbles.
34:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Half way through the year, he already matched it.
34:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So you want me to keep it up?
34:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, just pulling out these discussions out, right?
34:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it gives us something to go back and forth about.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not about who's writing for a moment.
34:30
[SPEAKER_00]: As we suck it out, I think it provides us and the listeners or viewers more information, right?
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll say this.
34:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that in 2023, 2024.
34:43
[SPEAKER_00]: My test sweat, the test effect, you saw the other guys on the line getting more pressures and sex because of the attention that he was garnering at that point.
34:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it, it just didn't open up for him.
34:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It opened up for everybody else.
34:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Also now, the, the, the takeaways that they've gotten outside of his forced swumbles for a lot of the times so far this season have not been from
35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: the downman pressure.
35:09
[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked a lot about men.
35:11
[SPEAKER_00]: They've gotten a lot of the sections for it seem that the DBs are doing this on their own.
35:14
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't, oh my god, I can't get the ball out!
35:16
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't like.
35:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would that way, I'll differ with you now.
35:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Ever since the by-week, he's been playing really well and that we won't be a podcast where we're going to listen to the narrative of other people and write along with it.
35:30
[SPEAKER_00]: no, he's been playing really well.
35:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think there's another level I would like for him to get to a time.
35:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it has to be every game, it's three socks.
35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not what I'm saying, right?
35:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's right.
35:43
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not that's that's not that's not possible basically, right?
35:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look at the Packers with Micah Parsons and everything that how that was supposed to be and it's do.
35:52
[SPEAKER_00]: People we're going to send it that way and we're going to try to stop that.
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's been playing
35:58
[SPEAKER_00]: happen to wear the other guys on the line.
36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: We're getting more bites at the apple due to that.
36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, also, those guys get paid, too.
36:05
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
36:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Like those, those guys aren't just playing for free.
36:09
[SPEAKER_00]: They get paid out there.
36:10
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears have suffered a lot at defensive end.
36:14
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, when you're talking about a dangboshi, martiner, the Austin Booker just got back.
36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you don't even have the rotation that you thought you were going to have started into the season.
36:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I didn't say, I mean, so I mean, that plays a factor into, um, so we'll see.
36:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we'll see, but I'm happy.
36:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, they need more.
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, it's nothing wrong with us asking for it, but this defense really, imagine if they were getting pressure off to the front four.
36:45
[SPEAKER_00]: like, this, this, this team of being a lot better situation if you didn't have to key up blitzing.
36:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're supposed to be able to get to the quarterback when you blitz.
36:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in saying that, there's a lot of times guys don't.
36:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not saying like, you're blitzing.
37:00
[SPEAKER_00]: No, there are times when people will get those lists get picked up or the quarterback is smart enough to get rid of the ball, either to the right person or quickly, but you still see Dennis Allen, this is one of his four days being able to pull it off and again, bringing in CJ Garda Johnson has been a fit to them like California did.
37:16
[SPEAKER_00]: A brisker also had a good game today.
37:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to make sure that I said that he was in the gap.
37:21
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have to see a second year brisker missing, you know, send a proper gap,
37:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been doing fairly well.
37:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Deepies didn't have a, they didn't have a tear up again.
37:31
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a decent game today.
37:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, and they've been pretty injured.
37:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I think still the most, the worst part is, my backers were okay, and I think we saw, they missed TJ Edwards today.
37:44
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm saying, I wonder if TJ Edwards was there what they've been able to stop Jackson Dard a little bit more.
37:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm saying like when you only have one of your starting linebackers and his job part merely is to parole, patrol the middle of the field.
37:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
38:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Like compared to your weak side guy is more on it or whatever.
38:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that kind of may have benefited them and stopping the room when it comes to Jackson Dard this afternoon.
38:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I did my best air extroble impression, shout out, air extroble where I broke and I got those pressure numbers for you and I thought it, I thought it was going to be more of a difference than it really is.
38:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
38:24
[SPEAKER_02]: So according to PFF, this is where I get pressure numbers because pressure numbers aren't like on profile for reference and all that.
38:30
[SPEAKER_02]: So in 2023 and nine games with the Chicago Bears,
38:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the numbers have not come in for this game yet, but through eight games, Montez Sweat had 26 pressures.
38:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
38:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Just 11 fewer, he at minimum had two because he had one and a half sacks.
38:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So at the absolute minimum, he had two pressures, probably had a few more.
39:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So at minimum, right?
39:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
39:06
[SPEAKER_02]: What does that put him at?
39:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look, hey, you did it.
39:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I asked for it.
39:13
[SPEAKER_00]: You brought it.
39:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything else defensively Alex?
39:24
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
39:25
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
39:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, the bears are going to be playing against the Vikings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a lot of JJ McCarthy rushing towards the end of the game for his life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to give a prediction to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to say these games, like, listen, and as someone who is loved and beloved, you talk trash and like, man, it got this game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have the game like they have today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have nothing to say bad about the Vikings at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, JJ McCarthy also, he's just got like that magic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got that, whatever it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: he's got that healer it's not the dark it though dark got a little bit more magical him right now it's different everybody feels a little different everybody get a different everybody's got a little different flavor but he's definitely got a flavor some guys are cumin some guys are paprika some guys are turmeric whatever you know what i mean everybody's got a little different flavor of it but he's bringing something he's bringing something to the table
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[SPEAKER_02]: Caleb Williams I like games I like game on the line need need to put the team on your back need to make the plays need to be Superman you know this was a game where the bears needed him to be Superman he put on the cape he did it made some phenomenal throws made some phenomenal plays with his legs he got the win he gets my game ball all right I'm gonna I'm gonna give a game ball in a
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My gay ball goes to CJ Garde Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, coming off the streets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, being out of football for more than a month and coming in and being everything that bears need him to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So far, comes in that fumble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, the guy that got the fumble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And almost had intersection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nation on right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I get we want everybody to be pro-bullers, but you have to look at a guy that's been more of a special team guy that's been forced to be a starter due to injury and yeah, he's had his times, but he's also had his times, you know what I'm saying yeah and he's been a playmaker he's gotten burned, but he is not like he's never a
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[SPEAKER_02]: put his head down or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's remained a playmaker even when he's gotten beat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's gotten to the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's deflected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's intercepted like I want to make sure to give him some props.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not through CJ Guard of Johnson props, but I want to make sure I just named him because every in these games like this, every little bit truly does help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it really does when you squeak out of victory and it's is between a touchdown and not every little bit help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are our game balls for this episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned CJ Gardner Johnson and how well he's been playing and yes, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's been solid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'm not done talking about the defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is just a question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm starting to have right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is like a real question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a real question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you do with CJ Gardner Johnson on Tyler Gordon gets on you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was thinking, right now, you may need to move Tyler to the outside or, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Tyler to the outside?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you can also match them depending on the team that they're playing, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what I've been thinking too, like, wait, when Tyler gets back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So having someone who Kyler is young enough that he can go on the outside and but at times you can still use him and you can perhaps confuse defenses by them thinking perhaps one is playing a nickel and the other one is playing a boundary and they switch out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, that's cross by that's cross my mind as far as I'm like, I don't think CJ Garter Johnson want to do it because now teens may view him as you know what, why don't we bring him in next year, but because over the years we've seen our babies go out, and that's not just a fair state.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just I think he'd be a good guy to have in house because he can play the back back as far as it's kind of the safety is any history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the nickel, and just having him as an ultra utility player, you know what I'm saying, to kind of beat when you go into a nickel or dime to beat that DB out there since you're in nickel majority of the time anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, that will be if Kyler is in out there or if you wanted to play him at a safety position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, remember this, too, they got to return to safety this off season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's not forget that, but we don't want to get too ahead or
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like your dime idea.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just wonder if on third downs, they bring him back on the field to get him back on the field.
44:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're also absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Jekwan Brisker, thankfully fortunately, has stayed healthy this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this guy who has had trouble stand healthy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what an insurance policy in case Brisker goes down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Does the guy with your and place strong safety has been a good strong safety.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like a big one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All the bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they could keep him and have him and he gets, if he doesn't care what the, when the game comes on a national TV and they put the star defensive stars out there, if that doesn't matter, but he's getting reps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps like a defense of starter basically, I think he'd be a good guy to keep in house because you can do so many things with him and he can cover up because your defense of back goes going to take it and it's up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just, everyone gets nicked up, you know?
45:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, Terals, we've been waiting for, and it's not, I'm not trying to say this as a dis, but we've been waiting for Terals Smith to really apply pressure to Tyrex Stevenson and he's out for the entire year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he can't control that, but because you have those situations, it won't be bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm happy that you mentioned that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It definitely crossed my mind during the day of the day, like yo, he needs to stay around here or whatever, like hey, maybe it's cool to leave a lot of teams don't like them, right?
45:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Stay away from them, we have suckles, come hang out with us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daniel Salon, Daniel Salon, you know, we talked about good fit, he knows how to use them and that is with blitzing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to make my extra point quote unquote busts quote unquote bust quarterbacks because I think as history has shown us recently people are given up on quarterbacks far far far to quickly and again going back to the conversation about bear's Twitter and everybody being
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you can almost see, foresee a future where if the bears are whatever struggling next year and Caleb Williams still isn't doing this, that people are gonna, like it is a fact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a fact of the matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If the bears are struggling next year that people are gonna be like Caleb Williams out of here, he's a bust.
46:45
[SPEAKER_02]: You see, people talking about coast and lovelin' being a bust, because Tyler Warden is doing amazing things with the Indianapolis Colts, and it is the Indianapolis Colts that are the latest team to show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You probably shouldn't give up on quarterbacks so, so early, because what Danny Dimes is doing for that team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daniel Jones is playing great football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Indianapolis cults, he absolutely is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I know Jonathan Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he needed to change it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He needed to change his scenery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my, I'm with everything that you're saying, but when you think about and I'm sorry for interrupting,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That what Brian Dable did was they basically got rid of Sayquan Barclay because they invested in the future of Danny Dimes when at that point we knew I don't know if you should do that But also and this is one thing that we keep talking about when we talk about Jackson dark look planish Chicago is one thing playing in New York is as a something right different beast
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you to be someone that now the city doesn't want you there at some point you just need to get out of the city, you know, and that's that's my only caveat to what you're saying because we know that Danny Dines has the talent, but it's just sometimes it doesn't permit and I'll be interested because clearly he's going to be there starter probably moving forward as they move off of Richardson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that's the question we had and maybe my extra pointed to actually a change of scenery can be very good for Highly touted quarterback because all of these guys have gone through a change of scenery because all of these guys had their teams quit on them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sam Darnold has shown this year in Seattle that hey last year wasn't a flu wasn't a flu.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't turned into a frog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Baker Mayfield has shown hey my success wasn't a flu.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't turned back on a frog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now a billion times over has proven, hey, I haven't turned back into a frog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have been the guy, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of these guys were quit on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of these guys were extremely highly touted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All these guys to your point got a change of scenery, new team, maybe doing something different, maybe whatever, maybe going back to what worked in the past.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea what's going on beyond the scenes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Secondary shout out to Shane Steiken, who is a phenomenal coach for what I've heard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just love Shane Steiken.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's got, he's got a part to deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you said he certainly looks like the guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can tell you, I don't need any insight information to tell you how the cults feel about Danny Dimes when they trade away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: multiple ones to go get sauce gardener.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If there was any question in the coldsmines, any question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that Danny Dimes' was or was not the guy, but you better believe they are not trading with their ones because they have such a good team, they have such good everything right now that they would keep those picks if they felt like, hey, we gotta go get a quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But since they're moving those picks, it, to me, indicates like, we feel pretty good about our quarterback right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's use these picks to go get one of the best cornerbacks in the league.
50:07
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of those all in, put your chips in the middle of the table moves, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of cubies who have been quit out, who have been written off, who have been told they are busts, Danny Dimes, I'm a throw him into the category of second chance, new, two, two cows point, new changes scenery,
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[SPEAKER_02]: has really revitalized some of these guys career.
50:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know what, give these cubies a little bit of time to show you what they can do.
50:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Historically, I don't know if it was plunk it for a believe that's his name was the Patriots quarterback in the late 70s and then went to the Raiders and became a champion.
50:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And like there's been a look, I'm not to say like Steve Young with the books.
50:54
[SPEAKER_00]: and then washed knowing man in my system, I know I can get about it, you know what I'm saying?
50:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Like looking at, it's a lot placed on them.
51:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm with you, I mean, we're too early still and can't see me, if they could last this year, we can talk, but see me sometime next season.
51:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he hasn't grown with a full off season, with Ben Johnson, then we can start having conversations about using
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[SPEAKER_00]: third round, perhaps capital now.
51:21
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not using first round.
51:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, unless they can sneak up on the stud, there's like, yeah, you know, you got Aaron Rogers here, but we got Brett Farbe.
51:30
[SPEAKER_00]: If you could pull one of those rabbits out of your hat, then I may be interested, but it's still too early and I also to end your point.
51:38
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just nine games into
51:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams, 10 year together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this scrap last year out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing Caleb got last year was knowing the speed of the NFL.
51:53
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really the best benefit that he gained from last season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't some good education and I'm not putting that all in the coaches.
51:59
[SPEAKER_00]: That's something that falls right on that young quarterback himself.
52:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll get to that and I know some of this also too is just because of some people are never going to give him because of the Civil War.
52:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people are never going to give in because they don't like the fact that he paces nails and I don't know why you care about another man's nails.
52:17
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not my nails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care what that man's no pain on my nails, but I don't care what that man does to his nails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people don't like just the fact that he was the first premium in IL quarterback.
52:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of different things, you know, so they're going to hold that against the man.
52:31
[SPEAKER_00]: If they do, so what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it doesn't bother him, it shouldn't bother anybody else.
52:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, for my extra point, I'm going to get outside of sports.
52:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yesterday and I haven't watched it yet because I was out with hanging out with our god James Neville, um, the Rock and Roll Hall fan took place, um,
52:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to leave off the Alcathe Alcathe's got in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the main reasons I want to watch it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm pepper.
52:55
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just some people that meant a lot to me growing up.
52:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Cindy Lopper, yeah, Rosa's going to have fun was just one of those jams.
53:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Crocker, if you don't like you some Joe Crocker, you just, I don't know what's going on with you.
53:08
[SPEAKER_00]: back up me, I was one, and the Joe Cocker in this got to a tummy checker, they don't say have like Americana songs, like these are of the fabric of the country, so I want to point that out, but just shout out there, but really shout out to a group that you are my youth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when you hear people like in the 60s and 70s talk about, you know, getting vinyl and like lame when I got this it was like this, that that that run that outcast had from their first album to all the way to speak about love love love love love or if you want to say stay going you was epic like go transition from like high school into college
53:50
[SPEAKER_00]: during all that and them being one of the soundtracks and they never stayed the same.
53:55
[SPEAKER_00]: They always change, but it was still great because a lot of people change you like what the hell are you doing?
54:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it was like, but it was like, I want to go where we're going with this, right?
54:06
[SPEAKER_00]: They've changed hip hop from
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[SPEAKER_00]: Andre 3000 at the 95, anybody knows the infamous 95 source of words saying the South has a lot to talk about to the southern hip-hop Taking over hip-hop, but also to just everybody knows in there because a lot of these people were people that I enjoy growing up even if the music came out prior to When I was in my form of a year, so I want to just give one extra point to that love it outcast was
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[SPEAKER_02]: a pivotal artist in my childhood.
54:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I remember seeing this is going to age me a little bit, but I remember seeing Miss Jackson in an elementary school.
54:41
[SPEAKER_02]: So to get in like that, that was a big song for us in elementary school.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Spody Odie, Dopa, Licious, all timer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is an all timer for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, I don't know other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
54:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's my one thing.
54:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, y'all, obviously, huge hit.
55:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we stop playing, hey, y'all, weddings?
55:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm by wife.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My wife hates it when I say this, because I say it at every wedding, but it's played at every wedding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, y'all, it's a song about how love doesn't last forever.
55:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not, it's a good song.
55:14
[SPEAKER_02]: It's literally, it's literally about love doesn't last forever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And people are like singing every word at a wedding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, bad, just a long message, y'all.
55:21
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so what makes what makes love the exception?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why a why a why are we still in denial when we know we're not happy here like people say those words word for word at weddings And it's like come on guys listen what we're saying We're celebrating a holy match for money
55:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you, oh, hey, again, it was cool, but it wasn't like that's not my seminal outcastle.
55:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm also real quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Andre, like, put that album together, his part of Speakerbox, a little below in like a few weeks or a month.
55:53
[SPEAKER_00]: That was just supposed to be a big boy album.
55:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Andre had left, had left the group and then came back and asked L.A. Reed, hey, can I do this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they made two separate albums.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just supposed to be big boys album, right?
56:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I had no idea.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I always wonder, I was like, oh, cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, here's all the big boy songs.
56:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's all the Andre songs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's what this glitch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Andre really just was he was ready to go and move on to something else.
56:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He's they left a lot of money on the desk because Andre did that.
56:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Also something you just said, we're going to get out of here.
56:21
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned Thomas Jackson, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the person that Andre is talking about, I saw Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of it, she said, forever forever.
56:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Andre's a child's mother, you know, he has an Eric about who's oldest son is Andre's, and Miss Jackson is the name of Eric about who's mother's last name is Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, he's talking about, and he said the first day of school, he's talking about their child to get, he only has one son, he only has one child.
56:52
[SPEAKER_00]: He's talking about their child together, um, during the time of Eric about to do an Andre
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, wow, thank you, Kath Davis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just taught me some wonderful music education.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had no idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we've always done.
57:09
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one thing we and you have always kind of did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some talked about music or whatever, and did the exchange and stuff or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we do.
57:17
[SPEAKER_00]: We give you a little bit of that here on the win to city come to the win to city podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have no idea of what you're going to learn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys, we will be back later on this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, after every bear's game, we're going to recap, tell you how we feel, get into some footbally stuff, but also going to give you some stuff outside of sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When my man came in with the extra point, hit it out that fluidity, and we like to take it, man, shove it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody have a great evening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See you soon.