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Fort Vancouver’s Bicentennial: Historic Haunted Houses, Mysteries, & Murder · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Just casually an 80 pound safe that was locked in the weapons vault room in that
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  basement with a very secure combination physical key and keypad they said it
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  had moved from the other side of the wall so I don't know if they mean that like
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  the opposite side of the room or just like down the wall a little bit but
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  either way an 80 pound safe in this locked-ass room moved
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  Hi Caitlyn! Hi Cassie! Hi creepy people! I don't really care I just hit my
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  hand on the desk. I was like I don't know if I heard that in my ears or in you
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  know what I mean and my headphones are in. I mean if you guys heard it that's the
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  kind of pain that I go through on a daily basis for you so that's so
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  weird. Welcome. That was your right elbow. It was my hand. Oh okay I whacked my
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  right elbow when I was in my bathroom getting ready I whacked it's soul.
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  Furking hard. I thought for you! Yes! I thought you were going to come
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  like around the corner and be like "are you okay?" Did you scream? I didn't hear it. I
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  didn't hear anything. I thought I must have been so loud I thought for sure you
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  were going to. Maybe I'll have water on or something. Yeah I'm sure you didn't
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  hear me. I thought I was being louder than probably I really was. Or maybe I
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  just think "oh Caitlyn's just in there yelling it's fine." I hear like it's fine. She
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  does what she does. She does stuff you know. I never know what she's doing.
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  you. I know. Speaking of nasty I'm like oh God is the
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  bruise already forming? Kind of looks like you have one. Oh it does. Kind of.
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  Your elbow is just red like that. Oh no it does kind of look bruised. Okay well
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  there you go. Well we did it. And we also do a tarot reading at the end of
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  every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic. Is that what we do? Yeah
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  so stick around if you're into that. Yeah. Alright. Okay well I have a story for
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  you today so it's obviously haunted. Okay. I'm gonna go into it right now. I did
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  not make I hate when I do that. I didn't make like a formal start. I was just like
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  history. I think that's a very official start. I think we should leave that in. Okay
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  history. Well let's talk a little bit about the history of Fort Vancouver. It was
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  built in March of 1825 making this their 200th anniversary. Oh yeah. Is that crazy?
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  Yeah. So this was originally part of our 200th episode because I was like oh
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  200 and we ended up scrapping it and talking about something else that we wanted
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  to talk about. Yeah it was wild times here in the pot life that day. That was fun. We
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  should do more spontaneous stuff more often. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's gonna work out
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  pretty well. I feel like that was a fun topic. I think so too. Hey listen we just go where
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  we are guided. Yes and then we have a full ass other episode for another time. Yeah.
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  And this is the time and this is the time. So what was originally a British or French
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  Canadian bird trading post? I was kind of confused because some of them called it
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  British. Some of them called it French Canadian but I think that is it like the same thing?
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  Well no but I think it's possible that over time it may be changed like changed hands.
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  Oh maybe. I don't know. I didn't like deep dive into this portion of it. Yeah. So I mean
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  either way or maybe they both had posts up there. I mean they did have the trading company
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  had posts all over the place. So it was British or French Canadian. We don't know. Post.
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  You know. All the posts. It is now a 366 acre national historic site. Oh wow. It was
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  the PNW base of operations for the Hudson Bay Company. Yeah. For the HPC if you're nice
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  if you're nice and they kind of work. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get it get into a little bit of it.
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  I don't know. Not to get too political or anything. So they'd move from Fort George and
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  Astoria when the sea otter population drastically declined. They were killing them for their
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  effort. I had a guess. Yeah. So they moved inland finding a vast beaver population. Oh boy.
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  Yes. So then they were into beaver pelt. Beaver fur. Really into those beavers. A beaver fur.
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  Am I right? Don't be pulling on other people's beaver fur. Oh my god. That story lives rent-free
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  in my mind. Oh god. It has been a long time since I thought about that. I think about
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  it every day. It's my Roman empire. And if you don't know what we're talking about, join the
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  Patriot. Oh my god. That was so good. Well, it was like mud-wrestling in the rain. Yeah.
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  Oh. And beaver. Beaver fur pulling. That's all I'm going to say. Like old tiny and just wild.
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  It was like Jerry Springer let loose on the 1930s. So fun. I want to go back and just witness.
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  I know in this that wild times. Or be a part of it. Maybe I'll be the beaver pullin. Beaver
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  fur pulling. Hussey. I was trying to bitch. I was like, I can't think of another beaver.
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  What's another beaver? Anyway. For Vancouver had a rich diverse culture. People coming from
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  everywhere to work and to trade. But they also wanted to have peaceful relations with
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  the indigenous people that were already living there. So they made efforts to employ and be
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  friends of them. Okay. You've been encouraging their employees to marry Native women to establish
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  kinship, hoping to break down any trade barriers. Interesting. Okay. Okay. I was like, that sounds
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  nice. Right. And then that last part though, I was like, well, I don't know. And then there's
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  kind of this flip side to that where it might be obvious to other people knowing some of the
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  history. But it wasn't really to me at first until I read this quote from Fort Vancouver's
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  chief trader, Dr. John McLaughlin. Oh, my sound familiar to you guys. I'll tell you in a second.
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  Yeah. Because we talked about him before. We have his quote. It is proved by experience that the
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  only way to gain the confidence of Indians, that's what they called him, which is actually probably
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  better than what a lot of people were right. Yeah. And keep in mind, this is not an American trading
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  post at this point. It's the British French Canadian. Yeah. He says quote, it is proved by experience
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  that the only way to gain the confidence of Indians and influence over them is by having
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  establishments on their lands. Okay. So like that to me, the part influenced over them, it kind of just,
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  it feels like it feels icky. Yeah. That's literally what I wrote. It gives me the ick. Like they're basically
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  just being nice so that they can take their things without an uprising is kind of what it sounded like to me.
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  Yeah, that's the vibe. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like encouraging their employees to marry
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  a native woman. Just I don't know. I don't know. Encouraging sounds ick again icky to me. Yeah. I mean,
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  I know that colonizing was a popular pastime amongst white men of the time, but really colonizing
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  female thought, well, why am I surprised? I know. I mean, I know it's what happened. It's just
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  interesting to just like see it all and see these people quotes. Yeah. Talking about it. Yeah. So.
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  Yeah. It's just kind of icky. It's like, I don't know. I don't know. Is that better than just like coming in
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  and killing everyone? Because they're going to come in and take it either way. I mean, I guess that
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  maybe there's some truth to that. I mean, not to be an apology. Right. No. But it's just so sad.
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  Hopefully there's like a grain of like wanting, like you said, to sort of like establish
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  good relationship. Yeah. Keep it a peaceful place and not have people. Yeah. Yeah. So. I mean, we all know what
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  happened, but okay. So quickly about Dr. John McLaughlin. So we talked about him way back in
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  episode 44. Holy shit. I know about the McLaughlin house hauntings. And so he is known as the father
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  of Oregon. And we didn't really go into it in that episode. But this is an official title given to
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  him by the Oregon Legislative Assembly in 1957. Okay. He has a statue and everything. Yeah. He does.
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  And many things in Oregon are named after him. Schools. A boulevard. A bridge. A mountain. I think we
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  talked about the mountain lots of stuff. Lots of stuff. And he was known as the father of Oregon because
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  he provided aid to many of its settlers. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Also, this is so random. But I love the word
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  boulevard. I do too. I don't know why. Yeah. It's just satisfying to look at and say boulevard. Yeah.
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  Above. Yeah. Listen, I don't know. Not to be like elitist about it or anything. And I, you know,
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  but boulevard sounds way cooler than just like street. Yeah. Yeah. Come to think of it. I think for a lot
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  of my life, I've lived on like a lane or a parkway or a court. I like court too.
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  Court sounds like, you know, I'm the queen of my court. I know.
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  Caitlin, the clip, clip, clip, clip. A court. Such and such. Two people who just live in apartments are
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  dreaming about living on streets someday. One day. We'll live together in a compound
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  and have tunnels. I was going to say, where do you think, I mean, do we establish the compound on
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  like a parkway? I think boulevard. I think we make up our own. Yeah. I don't know what it would be,
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  but we're gonna make up our own. Okay. We'll workshop it and get back to you. Okay. Anyway. Any
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  who's old. Any who's old. Everything changed in the late 1940s. The army came in to the post and
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  kind of just started taking things over. They eventually took like so much over that the post wasn't
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  getting any business really anymore. And they swooped them out of there basically. Okay. So,
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  yeah, they just took it over and put it right on the business. This is ours now. Thanks.
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  Okay. Thanks. Bye. Which like you kind of just did that to the Native American people, but, you know,
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  this probably wasn't as nice. They probably weren't as encouraging of nice relations. Yeah, maybe not.
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  Yeah. Yeah. They were busy, you know, trying to do what is it? Establish the border, I think,
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  is that was like their main goal. Well, you said 1940. It was the late. I think it was like 18,
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  you know, 18, like 49. Oh, I was like 40s. Again, we're going back to my role, right? Which is, you know,
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  as we know, World War II. Yeah. Not quite there yet. Okay. 1840s. 1840s. I mean, far less interesting to me,
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  but I'm, I'll hear you out. I was a dick thing. Just like I'm interested in it.
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  They even allegedly took over. Actually, I don't even think it's allegedly. They like took over some
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  of the colonial graveyard they had going on there. And we'll kind of get into some of that later,
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  but they put like a parade field, a housing area. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like just over top of it.
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  They dug up some of them. Oh, we're going to get to the rest of that at the very end. Okay, great.
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  I'm just going to go ahead and I mean, I feel like that's such a big theme with, with, we'll talk
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  about it later. We'll talk about it later. Right. Well, here in preparation, I have gone ahead and
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  scooted, scoot, scoot, scoot. Fort Vancouver was an active military institution for 150 years
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  and was very significant in settling the PNW. PNW. Pacific Northwest. Wow. Pacific Northwest.
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  Nice to wear. Oh boy. Yeah. This is a quote from their site. And I just wanted to read it because
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  I love now that a lot of places are really acknowledging the past and how it affected people
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  in good and also some very awful ways. Yeah. So we can celebrate these kinds of historical milestones,
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  but also have respect and remembrance for the lives that it negatively affected. Yeah, just,
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  I feel like more transparency. Yeah. With their good or bad, just, you know, like this is really what
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  happened. Right. Whitewash fucking everything forever. Just be factual. That's okay. Yeah. Yeah.
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  So we're starting to get there. So their website says quote, March 19th, 2025, marks the 200th
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  anniversary of Fort Vancouver on March 19th, 1825. Okay. In this year, we honor the indigenous people
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  who have cared for this land since time in memorial. Remember the far reaching effects of the
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  fur trade centered out Fort Vancouver and stride forward to a new century of storytelling.
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  I like it. So I'm like, they're they're working on things and their website has like a ton of
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  historical information on it. Like, yeah, that's so cool. This is coming out 318. So that means
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  tomorrow is their 200th anniversary. Yeah. Pretty cool. Pretty cool how that worked out. I think so.
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  Kim Nason, you photos. So we're going to go on and talk about some of these houses that are
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  just gorgeous on Fort Vancouver. And this is known as officers row. It consists of 21 Victorian
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  mansions, Victorian again. Listen, okay. I just have a major real estate boner. Right. I know. That's
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  why I say I've shown you pictures. This is a row of 21 Victorian mansions originally built for
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  military families. They fell into disrepair when the military was no longer stationing people there.
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  But they were listed on the national list of historic places and were renovated. So now they're
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  rented out as townhouses and business offices. And they are just gorgeous. They look like Victorian
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  homes. Do you want to describe them? I mean, well, I'm trying to scroll through down. Yeah. I think
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  it's like the top one is what most of those 21 houses look like. I feel like they look really big
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  for just like military families to live in. And it does have it looks like maybe not a wrap around
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  porch, but like a really big porch. And then one of those like turret things. Is that what is called a
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  turret? I don't know if that would be called a tur- I mean, could be that almost looks more like
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  like a bell tower. Yeah. But I feel like they kind of similar thing. I don't know. It has a tower
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  on it. It's freaking good. It's a tower. It's Victorian. You guys know what that look is. Yeah. You'll
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  see it. They're so pretty. There's 21 of those that they like re-re-renovated. They renovated.
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  Re-renovated. And there are a bunch of other really gorgeous homes. We'll talk about at least one
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  one other one down here. But we all know what happens and things get renovated. Oh, shit. Why
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  put my foot down? Okay. So paranormal activity obviously picks up. And oh, I forgot about this part.
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  Oh, and this is some of the housing that I referred to earlier where they might be on top of some
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  of those colonial graves. Okay. Whoa. Okay. Just just kidding about my thoughts of maybe relocating.
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  Yeah, I don't know if you want to live in these. No. They sound pretty haunted. So in some of the
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  homes, people have felt cold spots, which I'm feeling right now. I am a walking cold spot.
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  Doors open and closing, opening and closing, but steps. People even have even felt a phantom
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  touch. I don't like that. Yeah, especially since you have been phantom touched. Yeah.
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  Careful. Fones will ring even when they're unplugged because I'm like, phones ring. Okay. But like,
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  if you want, they're the old phone. They're not cell phones. Okay. They're like landlines plugged
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  into the wall. They have to have power. Yeah. They're not battery operated. Okay. I don't like that.
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  And I guess the coffee seems to go missing from the coffee pot, which I'm like really offended by.
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  I think that's kind of funny. It is. I don't know. I guess you know like what to leave as an offering
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  for them. That's true. Just make a little extra coffee in your pot. Honestly, I feel like that would be
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  one of those things that I might not notice for like a long time, but then Chris, the OCD to my
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  ADHD would be like, I know exactly how much coffee there was. And that would be the thing that would
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  make him start to question. It's going on in this house. Where's the coffee going? The coffee going.
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  It's not like me where I forget that I've already had two cups and I'm like, wait, where'd all the coffee go?
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  Why is it going? I drink it. That's where it's gone. That can happen. That can happen. That has
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  happened to me. Have you ever done that though? Were you like go to like reach for that you're
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  drinking or like the last of your food and you look down to the god? I eat it all. I don't know if that's
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  some like disorder eating shit or something. Well, then I'm not going to say one more. I was going to say
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  never mind. Okay. I was going to say I feel like that frequently happens when I look down at like
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  my wine glass. I don't want to be. It's like I have a hauler shirt right there. Well, that's what I'm
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  makes it sound really bad. No, I think it's more just like an ADHD type of thing where you're like
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  your focus is on yeah, your focus is on something else whether it's like TV or whatever you're doing
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  and you're just like absentmindedly eating or drinking and then all of a sudden it's come by by.
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  Yeah. Anybody who knows me knows that I've never been known to do one single thing at a time.
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  No, impossible. Yeah. So this house is the oldest house in officers row and it is the grant house built
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  in 1949 as the first commanding officers quarters of Ulysses S. Grant. But granted and actually lived there.
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  It's okay too excited. I guess they just built in my house and was like you can stay here if you want
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  and then he was like no, I don't really care. I got a bigger house somewhere else. Yeah. Which is like he
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  did live in another house somewhere else. All right, well, you know, they used the building as an
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  officers club and residents for high ranking visiting officials. It has beautiful wrap around covered
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  verandas on the first and the second floor. Oh, I'm sorry. Wrap around covered verandas. Oh,
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  I'm here for that. I'm I always want like a second floor like balcony. Yeah, it's goals in life.
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  It doesn't have to be a wraparound, but I mean, that would be great. Yeah. That'd be really awesome.
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  Today it is the Grant House Folk Art Center and Grant House restaurant. Oh, yeah.
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  So I don't so people don't live there anymore. It's just like an art museum type of thing in a restaurant.
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  Okay, but we could go and eat there and just pretend that we live there. Maybe. I don't know what
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  the rooms look like. I don't know if they have like beds and shit. Well, it doesn't matter. We're
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  just pretending. Well, we'll see if you still want to go there after this. Oh, okay.
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  I forgot. I forgot what day it was. What we were talking about. We forgot that Cassie is literally
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  ruining every cool thing that ever happened in the Pacific Northwest. You said it. You said it.
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  I'm nasty. You're nasty. There's a known spirit at the restaurant named Sully. And that is a real
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  person general general Alfred Sully commander of Vancouver Barracks from 1874 to 1879. So I guess
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  five years. I was thinking of a different Sully and I was like, I don't think he's a ghost. Not
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  a Tom Higgs. Yeah. It's not Tom Higgs. I was thinking about my movies right. Okay. Yeah. You nailed it.
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  I've never even seen that movie. Yeah. I think you. Yeah. The guy who landed the plane on the way. Yeah.
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  Yeah. They hit the Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise. No, Tom Cruise would have had to have made up some sort of
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  a scene where he jumped out of the plane if he hopefully landed on something pokey.
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  Allegedly. People in the restaurant get a strange sense of his presence and get the feeling that he's
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  supervising. Oh, yeah. Okay. People here and see. Okay. Oh, him. It says his. It's supposed to him. Oh,
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  people here and see him pacing the halls. Okay. I was like, see his what pace at all. His balls.
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  Out on the verandas, people have seen a tall man in a long old-fashioned coat with a beard.
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  And I don't know if that's solely or somebody else, but I Google pictures of him and he does have a beard.
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  So it could be him. Came in to ask you the question that I think everybody wants to know. See,
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  hot. Yeah. Was he hot? I don't remember. I just googled. I literally just googled to see if he had a beard.
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  Let's let's Google him again. I mean, he has a beard. So I'm just going to assume that you thought he
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  was hot. I don't know. I feel like a lot of like old tiny military men aren't my thing. You know,
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  interesting. No, it was not the kind of beard that I not that not the hotness. It was just like a must-stack.
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  Oh, like that. Like the handlebar type situation or that and a small beard, like a pointy one and
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  then nothing on the side. I like a full. Yeah, you're it's a lumberjack look for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Okay. Okay. Well, listen, I ask the hard-hitting questions. She does. She is a journalist.
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  Okay. Let's move on to the barracks. So building 993 as of 2013 at least is occupied by the
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  Washington Army National Guard. Oh, so they still kind of use this place. This was 2013. So up to
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  2025. I'm not sure if they are still using it. Okay. Yeah. But people say the building has just like
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  a general creepy vibe. Cool. Just in general. But especially the basement of the West Wing.
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  People get strong feelings of someone watching them like enough to where you actually turn around
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  because you keep like thinking somebody is there. I don't like that either. I've only felt like
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  that like a couple of times in my life and it's very uncomfortable. You've only felt like that a
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  couple of times in your life. I told you things don't happen to me. We are living such different lives.
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  And I really can only think of the one time. I can't even think of the second time where this
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  apparently has happened to me. I can only think of one time. And I was like cleaning a house and I
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  so uncomfortable. I know clue what was in that house, but it's very uncomfortable. That is
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  crazy. Yeah. They cleaned tons of houses. And I clean creepy houses that don't even phase me. I clean
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  a haunted house where the TV kept turning on. It didn't even like it didn't feel creepy. But that
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  house for some reason is so weird. And it was just like a normal townhouse. I could attach to other
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  houses like so strange. Yeah. I've literally had that feeling like more than once in the same day.
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  So you're gonna say yeah right now. I mean no not specifically. Are you sure like it's not your
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  dog watching you? That creature. Using with her back turned you to nose buried in the couch.
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  She is like so passed out. Well we'll have to come back to this and you'll have to tell us all
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  of your stories about when you felt like you were being watched. Some of them are just such small
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  little things. It's like it barely even feels like there's a story there because you just like
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  get that creepy feel. Yeah. I don't know. But it is a thing like people just get creepy vibes places
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  and this is one of them. Okay. There's a lot of stories of stuff moving around unexplainably.
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  Like big stuff. Okay. I was gonna say because I feel like I forget where I put things all the time.
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  And it's really hard to like not feel like you're crazy. Yeah. You like just lose stuff in your own
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  home. Which I do all the time. But this is like big stuff. So. Okay. Someone cleaning the floor said
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  stack chairs up against one wall. And when they came back after the weekend they found that the
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  chairs were against the inside door blocking the door from opening. Oh shit. Right. I don't know if
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  they asked if anyone was in there. I imagine they'd asked around and you know seen if anyone else
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  was in there. But why would someone stack them against the door? Right. And how? I feel like
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  yeah. Kind of the question like didn't they leave the room? Right. And maybe there's two entrances
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  to the room. I had to have been right. I'm not 100% sure. It didn't really say. But that's very
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  curious if there was only one door into that place. And then. But like they climbed out a window.
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  Yeah. What the hell? But also it was over the weekend. So like no one would be there working or
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  cleaning. And this place isn't it's not like a bustling military place anymore. It's just like
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  there's some offices here and there. Some people who live there. But it's not like constantly being
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  cleaned or like having people in these buildings. So I don't know that there would be really someone
• 28:34
  there on the weekend moving chairs around. Yeah. That doesn't seem the one thing I could see.
• 28:40
  And this is more just like out on a limb here. I feel like this seems like a almost like a
• 28:46
  ferris-bueller type thing where like they come. Yes. Yeah. This seems like could be like a teenage
• 28:54
  prank. Right. Where literally they go and they stack all the chairs and like block the door.
• 28:59
  And then they claim out the window because they're like I'm a fucking teenager and I don't care.
• 29:03
  I'll jump out the window. That's just kind of how would they get in? I don't know if there's a
• 29:08
  security system. I don't. But I mean that's a little bit of a stretch. Yeah. I mean it's possible.
• 29:13
  But it's still weird either way. It is very weird. Yeah. I feel like that almost speaks to like an
• 29:20
  energy of weirdness that like convinced a group of teenagers. If it was a group of teenagers that
• 29:27
  did it. Yeah. Like what's what's driving them to? Right. Because that's a weird prank. Yeah.
• 29:33
  To just put chairs in front of the door. Oh it's weird. You think they would do more stuff.
• 29:37
  Like toilet paper in the inside. Yeah. Yeah. Unless they heard it was haunted and they're like let's
• 29:43
  just do some weird stuff and make them think it was go make the cleaner. Think of his ghost.
• 29:47
  Like why do they care if the janitor thinks there's ghosts? Yeah. It's kind of weird. Yeah.
• 29:52
  And they just specifically say that they walked the room. They do say room.
• 29:57
  So I'm like I'm thinking this is just like one room and not like why would it have multiple
• 30:03
  entrances? Well I mean I guess it depends on like the size of the room. Like if it was like a large
• 30:11
  like common area space of a building. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. But I'm also like I don't know if they
• 30:18
  locked it up. It's just odd. But it gets weirder. Okay. It gets weirder. So just casually an 80 pound safe
• 30:28
  that was locked in the weapons vault room in that basement with a very secure combination physical
• 30:36
  key and key pad. Okay. They said it had moved from the other side of the wall. So I don't know if they
• 30:45
  mean that like the opposite side of the room or just like down the wall a little bit. But either way
• 30:51
  an 80 pound safe in this locked ass room. Okay. Moved. Okay. Whether it was like across the room or
• 30:59
  just down the wall. That's weird. I'm gonna grab this instead because if I keep going this way
• 31:07
  I'm going to end this episode uh bald. Yeah. No. Like the hair touching thing is one of my it's a very
• 31:16
  like self-saving thing for me. But I'm gonna switch to the rock. That I don't know. That just makes me
• 31:24
  think the chair thing is even more weird because like this room is so locked. No teenagers are
• 31:31
  breaking into this room. Okay. Yeah. That all right. Well. Yeah. Key. Key code. It's the it's their
• 31:39
  weapons vault. So that's not like I'm sure it has alarms on it. Like it's not um secure. So that's
• 31:45
  weird. All right. Well that was that was sort of a like I said that was a little bit of a of a reach.
• 31:51
  You're gonna love this one too. Okay. Great. So the fire alarm has a mind of its own constantly beeping
• 31:57
  at odd times and maintenance has been unable to figure out why someone working in the building said
• 32:04
  it almost felt as if the alarm was like messing with him. Like it would beep when his back was turned
• 32:10
  in with stop when he went into the direction of the basement. So I felt like it was like trying to like
• 32:16
  like hot or cold like beep beep beep don't come over here and then like you're going over that way
• 32:21
  it stops annoying you. You know like when you've got a gas lighting ghost like that one time where
• 32:27
  my AirPods were just like missing and then all of a sudden they were like in plain sight.
• 32:33
  So this is when we were on the trip with Christina. Yeah. And I had the weirdness of like oh I felt
• 32:39
  something cold and then it felt like almost like we thought it was maybe the cat. Right. The cat
• 32:44
  goes into a touch. Yeah. And then I think it was that next morning when we were on that trip that
• 32:51
  I couldn't find my AirPods and I was like they fall out in my sleep all the time all the time.
• 32:57
  I mean that's normal like they I if you thrash right move around in your sleep like I do. Of course
• 33:04
  they're going to fall out you know and they were in the bed but I had already done like a sweep
• 33:12
  of the whole bed and yeah. I don't like that. Have you ever had your AirPods fall out and you
• 33:21
  think it's like a spider? I did that one time I fully smack myself in the face because it like
• 33:26
  kind of trickled out of my ear and then down my neck and I was like spider I woke up and I hit myself
• 33:31
  and it was just my AirPods falling out of my ear. Honestly I think a spider is touching me at probably
• 33:37
  at least once a week and more often than not it's my own hair. Same. I feel like that's why
• 33:45
  someday something actually serious might happen to me and Chris will be like. It's probably fine.
• 33:54
  I like the boy who crawled. Criled world. Oh gosh. You're the girl who cried spider.
• 34:02
  And the girl who cried spider. I mean better safe than sorry. Yes. Absolutely.
• 34:07
  Okay so we're going to move on to another building. 647.
• 34:12
  Doors left close and locked will be found open. You're just so care about locks.
• 34:19
  They have a boundary issues. They really do. They need to be set straight. I think so. Yeah. One night
• 34:27
  a custodian placed tape over the door to check for tampering which is like very smart. Is that it?
• 34:34
  Is someone fucking with me? Let's put tape on the door. In the next day the door was found unlocked.
• 34:41
  The tape was not broken. So riddle me that. So I'm like I don't know. Did you put tape over
• 34:49
  like the lock part? I'm not sure where he put the tape. Yeah. That's interesting. I'm like could
• 34:54
  you have peeled it off? Right. Like someone put the tape back. I don't know. Oh they put new tape
• 35:01
  or I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. If they just like put tape over like the lock part where you put the key.
• 35:07
  Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. But who brings tape with them when they're breaking it somewhere?
• 35:14
  It's just part of your B&E kit. Great. Now we're giving people hints. You know what you have to do is do
• 35:24
  like what the magicians do and like sign the piece of tape. Oh yeah. And take like a picture of it
• 35:31
  or something. So you have like evidence of what it looked like and maybe make it in a way so no one
• 35:35
  can recreate it or something. Yeah. Yeah. Chris has done that. Could it be smarter than the criminals?
• 35:42
  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He's done that with tape or just like something else. I know he's done it with tape.
• 35:48
  I was like does he do close-up magic? No. No. God I wish. You know. So hot. You guys close-up magic.
• 35:59
  So hot right now. I'm gonna save someone where to come do close-up magic for me. I'd probably like
• 36:04
  be into it. If you're gonna show me anything I'm probably into it. I have a problem. Are you just
• 36:10
  like oh you're just paying attention to me? No because I'm just like into any... If someone's really
• 36:14
  excited about something like I get it. I'm like into it. Yeah. And I want you to tell me all about it
• 36:20
  but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm into you. Right. You're just like catching their vibe. Yeah.
• 36:25
  Yeah. I can totally relate to that. Yeah. Although for me it's more about like you're just paying
• 36:30
  attention to me. But anyways in 1904 one of the most modern and efficient military hospitals was
• 36:37
  built soon after World War One hit. Sorry we're still not to World War Two. God. So this is built soon
• 36:46
  after World War One hit and the hospital was overrun with injured soldiers. Yeah that'll happen. Yeah.
• 36:53
  But also took on workers from the areas lumber mills. So oh there could have been some lumber
• 37:00
  decks up in there. I was gonna say famously a lot of injured people in World Wars and also
• 37:07
  I don't know. I don't know. Lumber stuff. You remember bandage man? Sure do. Yeah. Lumber mill guy.
• 37:13
  And they also dealt with a flu epidemic. So they just had a lot of people in there. Yeah that's
• 37:22
  the World War One era. Yeah. I feel like just narnar. During this time the hospital had less than
• 37:28
  400 beds but was treating over 2,550 patients per month. I'm sorry. Need you to say the numbers again?
• 37:36
  The hospital had less than 400 beds. Okay. And was treating over 2,550 patients a month.
• 37:46
  Okay. Yeah. And I thought that was what you said. That doesn't feel like the math maps but I trust you.
• 37:54
  I mean I can't make the I can't make it make sense. Not that all that all those 220
• 38:01
  let's just say 2500. Yeah. But 2500 people were there at the same time. But the amount of turnover.
• 38:07
  Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's insane. And I imagine like especially some of the injured soldiers were there
• 38:13
  for a while in the flu. Yeah. The people with the flu. I don't know. Like it seems like these people
• 38:18
  needed to maybe be it wasn't just like here's a bandaid and a shot and you get to go home. Yeah.
• 38:24
  I feel like famously World War One soldiers. Not a lot of injuries resolved with bandage.
• 38:30
  Yeah. Hot tape. Yeah. Probably not a lot of soldiers at any point in any wars. Yeah.
• 38:37
  At any time. I don't think you go to the hospital for band-aids. Yeah. The post hospital closed in 1946.
• 38:45
  So wait, right in time for World War Two. No more wars. Yeah. No. I mean that's like the baby boomer era.
• 38:55
  Yeah. So I don't know how many people they had been treating at that point. For World War Two,
• 39:01
  I'm not really sure. Yeah. And then it was used for administration until the 90s and has been mostly
• 39:08
  vacant since. Oh. Okay. And obviously going back to the time where they were treating those 2500
• 39:16
  patients per month with only 400 beds. Yeah. Obviously they weren't able to cure all of these people.
• 39:24
  Yeah. I was assuming that with that many people being seen on average each month, probably not
• 39:30
  everybody was living. Oh, yep. Yeah. So they did end up with more bodies than they could fit in the
• 39:37
  morgue. That's not. Unfortunately. Yeah. No. So they apparently had to use whatever available space
• 39:44
  they could, including a shed that was on the property. Oh, no. And the shed was eventually torn down.
• 39:51
  I can't imagine why. I was going to say probably it was condemned for bad vibes. Uh, or I just
• 39:58
  picked like I hate this visual, but I just picked like stacking bodies up against like the walls.
• 40:04
  And then like what is on the wall? I don't know. I don't know if that's how it was. I'm sure that they were.
• 40:10
  It's very of that era. Yeah. Unfortunately. Um, I feel like the stacking of bodies, we hear that
• 40:17
  in a different context typically of that time, but I don't know. They could have been on tables.
• 40:23
  It could have been very proper. And I don't know. I'm just that's the visual I have. And like please
• 40:28
  tear the shed down. Right. Yeah. Maybe get that out of here. Um, but no, no grass or anything
• 40:35
  would ever grow there again after they tore down the shed. So I feel like just bad dead energy.
• 40:42
  Have they tried miracle grow? No, but they, uh, they tried making it into a parking lot, which usually
• 40:47
  works for bad vibe areas where things won't grow. I feel like we've heard that before so many times.
• 40:54
  Like things won't grow there. Let's just put parking lots fine.
• 40:56
  They've paradise, put a parking lot. Yeah. But I mean, if it can't be used for you don't want to put
• 41:03
  building there. I feel like parking lots sometimes are just like creepy vibes. Yeah. And that's probably
• 41:10
  why. It makes sense. That tracks for me. So there's a man named Jeff Davis that runs tours of Fort
• 41:18
  Vancouver, like historical and paranormal tours. And he has several military history and paranormal
• 41:26
  books, uh, including weird Washington and weird Oregon, which I had set out on my show when we start.
• 41:36
  He's also, of course, done paranormal investigations around Fort Vancouver for all, like in multiple
• 41:43
  buildings on Fort Vancouver. And when he did at the post hospital that we just talked about, he experienced
• 41:51
  unusual battery drain. So, you know, you start off with like, I was literally just complaining about
• 41:58
  this. You start off with a full battery. Yeah. Everything's turned off. You turn it back on and then
• 42:04
  it's like completely dead. So yeah. That's like the, that's the only thing that consistently happens
• 42:12
  to you. That's, I feel like feels like it could be spooky. Right. And maybe it's just a thing. I don't
• 42:19
  know. Is it a thing to fully charge your laptop and then shut it down and then expect to have it
• 42:25
  completely charged when you turn it on? Like, what, where does the bad, where does the life go?
• 42:30
  Where does the battery go? We don't know. So stuff like that where you know, you pull out a camera
• 42:35
  and expect it to be fully charged, right? How you left it and it's dead. And it's super not.
• 42:41
  So like the ghosts, uh, theoretically use that energy to manifest and do things. Um, that's the theory
• 42:50
  anyway. I like that as theories go. So when he would start to move into the patient's wing, his
• 42:57
  camera battery would suddenly die after having a full charge. Oh, so sorry. There was a little bit more
• 43:02
  detail on that that I just like talked and talked and didn't even get to. So that is interesting. It
• 43:09
  is it wasn't just like when he got there, it was when he moved into the patient's wing that the
• 43:15
  full charge just would drain. Yeah, that's interesting. He said he would use the women's restroom
• 43:21
  while he was there because I think he said it was like the closest or like maybe it was the only
• 43:26
  one working because I don't think the the building was mostly vacant. So I don't know if they have
• 43:32
  like multiple working bathrooms or you know, there wasn't like women in and out of there. So it was
• 43:37
  just like the closest back, right? And he decided to use it. And he was the only one like taking people
• 43:43
  on tours in there. So like everyone knows like he's in the women's bathroom. So yeah, it wasn't like a
• 43:48
  creepy thing. But either way, he found that all the toilet seats were up, which I think is pretty normal
• 43:57
  for like cleaners to do when you clean that either leave it up or you leave it down. I don't know.
• 44:02
  Some cleaners choose to leave it up. Some put it down. And I feel like I always encounter where
• 44:08
  they leave it up. Yeah. And I feel like particularly in the women's room, it's kind of like, I don't
• 44:13
  know when you clean like an office base or like any sort of a building, I just feel like don't just
• 44:19
  put things back the way you found it. Right. Yeah. I don't know. I sort of get it because it's like if
• 44:24
  you're leaving it up, that's less of a chance for you to forget to clean it. Like I don't know,
• 44:28
  you're going to see that it I guess if you some people I don't know close it and like put the solution
• 44:33
  in and close it and then clean the rest. I'm thinking too much about this because I clean houses for
• 44:39
  living. Well, it's funny you mentioned that you specifically think that it's odd and you would
• 44:45
  like to have it down is what I gather. Yeah. Because he felt like that was weird too. And so he said
• 44:52
  being a trained man, his clothes, he went and actually closed them all down because he yes. Yeah,
• 45:00
  like assuming his wife or whatever always would want him to put the toilet seats down. So he went
• 45:06
  and did it in, you know, having respect for the woman's room, which I think is really nice. I think so.
• 45:13
  Are they leaving the toilet seats up in deference to him? Is that like a ghostly thing? They're like,
• 45:19
  it's cool. Maybe, maybe because he didn't really think it was a ghostly thing at this point. He probably
• 45:27
  assumed what I did and was like, oh, like someone cleaned in here and just didn't put the toilet seats
• 45:31
  down. But like all these women are going to come in here and, you know, you like dang it. I got to
• 45:38
  put this down myself. I got to touch this thing with my fingers. I always grab a little bit of toilet
• 45:44
  paper and then yeah, yeah, yeah, especially because public. Oh, yeah. But he went back up there later
• 45:52
  and he found that they were all open again. So like I said, vacant building. He was just, he does
• 45:58
  tours in there. Like not a lot of people going through there. I assume they don't clean them
• 46:04
  like that frequently that it would happen like twice in one day and that like short amount of time
• 46:09
  because it was on this same tour that he would back up there. So I assume it was like within the hour
• 46:16
  or within a couple hours. I don't know, but that's kind of weird. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would say even if
• 46:22
  it was like several hours later, that would, yeah, it's weird. It's not being clean like that. Like,
• 46:28
  it's not a movie theater or like a grocery store. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It's not seeing that level of like
• 46:35
  turnover. Yeah. On one of these paranormal investigations of the hospital, they attempted to
• 46:42
  stay the night outside the morgue, which is now a library, which is I think is really cool.
• 46:51
  Love a library. I don't know that I love one that used to be the site of a morgue. I don't care for
• 46:59
  that. I want that. I want to go read books inside of an old morgue. I feel, I feel like you and I
• 47:07
  just have a very different experience in, in those environments. I don't think I would be able to focus
• 47:14
  on reading. Yeah. Maybe you really can feel what's tickling my neck. My God. There would be something
• 47:21
  that could be somebody's old lighthouse cat or, yeah, I don't know. I think I meant to say, I said,
• 47:30
  they attempted to stay the night outside the morgue and they wanted to stay the night inside the morgue,
• 47:35
  but they couldn't because it was locked. So they ended up sleeping right outside of it or trying
• 47:41
  to sleep, but they woke up and they heard kind of like a squeaking sound and realized it was one of the
• 47:47
  tables rocking. So they left. They didn't stay the night. Yeah, you feel like if the table starts
• 47:56
  rocking like, and I don't know like what kind of table it was. I don't know if it's just like a
• 48:01
  regular table or if it was like a surgical table or like an operating table, I'm not really sure
• 48:06
  because it's a hospital. But either way, a table like rocking on its own when nothing else around
• 48:13
  it is like squeaking and moving. I would probably stay the night because I want more stuff to have
• 48:19
  them, but I don't know if that happened right in front of me, I'd probably, I don't know, I would
• 48:24
  maybe scream and run away. Yeah, I think I think that's where I lean. In case anyone was wondering
• 48:31
  somehow that. Yeah. It also reminded me of, I don't know if you remember Ben's story from
• 48:38
  places for a gotten episode and he heard like pounding on an embalming table, it kind of reminded me of
• 48:45
  that. Like what's out there pounding and like moving tables around. I don't like that. Okay, and
• 48:51
  actually that kind of like connects those two stories in a weird way. Yeah. I mean, it's a morgue.
• 48:58
  Do you think like the energy gets like absorbed into the table? Maybe. Oh god.
• 49:06
  Do you think there's not a lot of energy if it's like if it's deceased people
• 49:11
  laying on it? Like how much energy do they even have left? Maybe it absorbs like their last, I
• 49:18
  don't know. I'm totally just like rambling about absorbed energy here. Well, I'm just saying like all
• 49:25
  of that energy that we're talking about with any sort of a haunt. It's a deceased person. So like,
• 49:31
  yeah, I feel like, I don't know. I think I just invalidated your whole argument. Who? No, I mean nobody
• 49:37
  knows. Like, yeah, it could be anything. So also something really strange happened. They had very
• 49:43
  specifically synced their watches to the car clock before they started their investigation before
• 49:50
  they left the car and went into the hospital. Okay. And when they got back to the car, neither of their
• 49:55
  watches match the car or each other, which I feel like isn't that weird because my car clock, I don't
• 50:03
  know, it goes wonky all the time. But the watches do that kind of thing. You think they would at least
• 50:09
  match each other or maybe. Yeah, I feel like if it's got to match something. Okay. Because if all three
• 50:17
  were synced, the fact that there two watches don't even match. Yeah. I don't I that actually, I feel
• 50:25
  like that's freakier. Yeah. I don't know. If one of their watches like didn't match the car, I'd be like
• 50:30
  that's that's kind of a nothing burger. But the fact that it doesn't match the car, they don't match
• 50:35
  each other. I don't know. And it was like, wasn't even 24 hours later, you know? Like they had
• 50:39
  been in an investigation, tried to say the night and left. So I feel like it would take a lot more time
• 50:45
  for it to be off by that much. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like you don't have to,
• 50:53
  I don't think you have to like sync up or like maintenance your watch that much. I don't, I don't
• 50:59
  literally don't even own a watch. So what do I know? Yeah. Me neither. That's what phones are for.
• 51:05
  Okay. So I told you we would come back to the cemetery. Are you excited?
• 51:09
  We should be because this is kind of cool. So okay. Like a lot of really old graves, a lot of the
• 51:17
  markers were wooden. So they totally degraded with time. They did not keep up. And graves were also
• 51:25
  moved to another location. So some people were dug up and relocated. Whoever they could find.
• 51:34
  Oh, I don't like that. But I'm sure. No. And inevitably somewhere left behind. Yeah. They're not
• 51:39
  finding every, yeah, they're not they're not finding everybody. And that I don't know. It's really
• 51:47
  sad. But like, what are you going to do if you have to, it's not like your fault if you have to move
• 51:53
  them that they didn't have grave markers. You know, you know, I just feel like I'm very anti-relocating
• 52:02
  entire cemeteries. So even a lot of the people that they did end up moving since their graves,
• 52:10
  their markers weren't there. So that now they're just marked unknown because they still
• 52:15
  didn't know who they were, you know, but at least they have an unknown marker. But
• 52:20
  okay, listen, as a currently alive person, I feel like that might be upsetting to the dead.
• 52:31
  Yeah. I mean, I like to think they don't care too much about like what happens back on Earth
• 52:38
  because they're not here anymore. I mean, it is just sad to have like that unknown status or
• 52:43
  character. No, I feel like it doesn't even, it's not even about like, oh, what's happening on Earth
• 52:50
  or, you know, with anything going on down here. I just feel like that's so, I don't know,
• 52:57
  that feels icky and dismissive. I realize, you know, this is not like the first time that this has
• 53:03
  happened. It's not a unique situation, but I just feel like that it doesn't, it's never good.
• 53:11
  It's never good when that happens. It's never good. I don't know.
• 53:15
  Hopefully nowadays we're better at keeping records than like this kind of stuff won't happen too
• 53:22
  often, but I mean, I'm sure it still does. I mean, they're like, it's gonna go away completely.
• 53:26
  I know, no, because there's the element of human error. I was listening to a story about babies
• 53:34
  that were switched in the hospital. Oh, yeah, which scary. Yeah, which you think, oh, well, that
• 53:40
  probably is from like the 1950s, right? And the one that I was listening to more recently was like
• 53:45
  the early 2000s. Oh, God. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? No. I can't imagine having a kid. Well,
• 53:54
  I mean, having it switched, you know, but after you get passed up, first hurdle, you know, yeah. Oh,
• 54:01
  my God, no, that's awful for everyone involved. Yeah, everyone. Herendisk. Anyway, well,
• 54:08
  hopefully that doesn't happen to any of you. One grave site that they have lost track of over time
• 54:18
  is John McLaughlin, Jr. So yeah, that is the son of Dr. John McLaughlin, who we talked about earlier
• 54:27
  in the episode. That feels like kind of an important person to have just like loss. Yeah, I
• 54:33
  realized he's already dead, but like, go in. And I'm not sure the circumstances on why it was
• 54:41
  last, but I'll go through and I'll tell you a little bit of information and we can maybe discuss
• 54:46
  after all righty. So John, Jr. was also a chief trader for the Hudson's Bay Company, like his
• 54:53
  father, but at Fort Staiqin in Alaska, which is present day, Wrangle Alaska. Oh, and he was actually
• 55:04
  murdered by his employees who claimed self-defense. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Okay. So when I was reading
• 55:15
  about Dr. John McLaughlin, they say that he left Hudson's Bay Company for personal reasons.
• 55:22
  And this was the personal reasons. I was going to say that feels pretty personal. Yeah, it sounds
• 55:30
  like quite the scandal. The company's governor did an investigation and found John to have been in a
• 55:37
  drunken rage and justified his murder. Oh, wow. Okay. So there was obviously going to be tension
• 55:46
  between the company's governor and one of the post chief traders. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that would,
• 55:55
  that would do it. That would cause some problems. Yeah, totally. I feel like in that era was everyone
• 56:02
  not just constantly in a drunken rage, though. Like I feel like. I mean, this is what I mean,
• 56:12
  to steal a phrase, people are still shitting in the streets and they're drinking alcohol instead of
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  water because it's safer. Yeah. So I guess I don't know. Like does it excuse you? Like attack? They say
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  like he came and like attacked and like drunkenly. I don't know. So he was the aggressor. That's what they
• 56:32
  say. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And I don't know how many of them, but there were multiple employees.
• 56:41
  Some like, but you all had to overpower him. Could you not just like tie him up for something?
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  Like I don't know. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Maybe just eliminate the threat. Restrain him. Yeah.
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  So I don't know how good of an investigation this person did. But his father was not pleased with
• 57:01
  that outcome. And he left the company less than a year later. So I mean, that was like clearly why.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Oh, uh, now I want to look into it. I know. Yeah. Maybe you can find out
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  more because I just read like one of the articles on it. Yeah. I would love to hear more about that
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  if you if you can't. Oh my gosh. She was only 29. Cheap trader though. A little bit of...
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  I was going to say nepo, baby. Is that my right? Yeah. You know,
• 57:36
  you're not the president. Okay. So well, that's the end of my story. But I do have one
• 57:45
  semi-ghosty, spooky story I wanted to read for Patreon because I didn't want to summarize it.
• 57:53
  I just wanted to read the entire thing. So we're going to move on to tarot for Fort Vancouver.
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  And I brought my Krodeck because I don't know. I was just feeling it. I mean, is there really a time
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  that you're not feeling the Krodeck? Not really. Yeah.
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  We're going to try not to drop all the cards today. Okay. Where do you think?
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  I feel like where your ring finger is. Like in that neighborhood somewhere. Yeah.
• 58:30
  I'm thinking like what a ring finger looks like. How dare you?
• 58:34
  I'm asking because it's technically not my ring finger because it's on my right hand. But
• 58:39
  it's still a ring finger. It's my self-ring finger. Yeah. That it's like people buy themselves right hand
• 58:47
  rings. Okay. Ooh. We got the Hierophant in reverse. Ooh. Which is interesting because immediately
• 58:56
  I see a key on it. And I remember like all of those doors that were locking and unlocking.
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  And like, or not they were being left locked and they were being found unlocked. And even the person
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  put like tape on one of the doors to make like make sure it wasn't being tampered with. So that's
• 59:15
  interesting that I see like a key. But it was in reverse. And it looks like they're in like a chapel
• 59:22
  or something with like stained glass. We'll post we always post pictures on our Instagram or you
• 59:29
  can see it in our Patreon or YouTube videos. Patrons always add free just FYI in case you guys forgot.
• 59:37
  Just in case you're wondering. Link in the show now. Shame on me.
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  So our keywords are spiritual authority, leadership, tradition and institutions.
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  I feel like institutions like military. Yeah. I mean, wow. I mean,
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  there's a number of different types and I guess ways to interpret institutions. Yeah.
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  Like the mental variety. Instituations like of our government, like the military, hospital.
• 1:00:21
  Yeah, I feel like that kind of applies in maybe a few different ways.
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  The hyrophens is a figure of authority and power. I mean, that says military over the place.
• 1:00:34
  Like the emperor, but the hyrophens power is of a spiritual nature. So I feel like that's pretty.
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  I'm digging this card so far for this application. Yeah. I'm just going to say it is like a very
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  religious card. I feel like it's like the most religious type of cards.
• 1:00:56
  Often he's shown as a religious leader and some decks call him the pulp. Interesting.
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  Sometimes he's seated on a throne dressed in priestly garb, crowned and holding a scepter.
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  In the right or right Smith deck, acolytes stand before him,
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  deferring to his wisdom as a representative of religious authority. He may represent a person
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  who's dedicated to a religion or philosophy or he can indicate that you're trying to break away
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  from religious influence or dictates. In a broad sense, this card can refer to any organized
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  institution religious or otherwise that exerts authority over its followers. But like is screaming
• 1:01:43
  in the very beginning where I talked about Dr. John McLaughlin wanting to have peaceful
• 1:01:51
  relations with the indigenous people. And that quote that I read where he said it is proved by
• 1:01:57
  experience that the only way to gain the confidence of Indians and have influence over them
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  is by having establishments on their land. So like building institutions on their land and having
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  them like work for. Oh yeah. That whole thing just totally ties in with that.
• 1:02:19
  It's such a good point, but I think it's interesting that he seems to imply there that that
• 1:02:26
  is only applicable to like the native or indigenous population. And I'm like, I think that probably
• 1:02:33
  applies to any sort of a population in a similar circumstance. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like moving
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  into where people already are and like establishing good relations with them by encouraging your
• 1:02:50
  employees to marry them and have kids with them and hire them. Yeah. So interesting. Okay. So
• 1:03:02
  I will read the interpretation here. We're not even married. I know. I know. If the high
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  orphaned is reversed, it shows you're assessing your position. You may long to break away from an
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  old tradition, religious, ideological, intellectual or cultural that no longer serves your needs.
• 1:03:23
  You want to live by whatever philosophy or belief structure resonates with your true nature.
• 1:03:29
  Even if this puts you into conflict with others, perhaps your faith is being challenged in some way
• 1:03:36
  and you must reevaluate things you've taken for granted until now in order to be your own person.
• 1:03:42
  Oh, I don't know. That just that sounds too like just the white people moving in and expecting
• 1:03:50
  everyone else there to like follow what they do. Okay. Yeah. There's an extra excerpt here. Okay.
• 1:03:57
  There's two keys to the mysteries. The writerweight Smith deck shows two crossed keys below the
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  high-rovent. These mark him as a teacher who holds the keys to the sacred mysteries. The keys also
• 1:04:12
  represent the intellect and intuition and the need to use them in tandem. Oh. Does that make you
• 1:04:20
  think it's interesting? Does that make you think of like the safe that had like the three different
• 1:04:24
  keys to it? A little bit. A little bit, right? Interesting. Okay. And the second one, I don't know.
• 1:04:34
  I'm interested to see what you think of this. Okay. When the experience of the breath of God
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  becomes morality and morality becomes legality and legality becomes a system of outer customs and
• 1:04:49
  conventions, then the process of degeneration lies unveiled before us. Whoa. That was like really deep.
• 1:05:01
  Yeah. Like I feel that vibe here though, just like with everything. I mean, it was kind of taken over
• 1:05:11
  twice. Like the land was taken over by the fur trading company and then the military came in and
• 1:05:16
  kind of just like took all that over. Uh huh. Yeah. And now it's taken over by like ghosts basically.
• 1:05:23
  Yeah. Which is, yeah, that's interesting. But I mean, I think the linkage of like morality and like
• 1:05:32
  legality and I think it's important to sort of denote that there is that's not a distinction without
• 1:05:42
  a difference because what's legal versus illegal versus moral versus immoral. Right.
• 1:05:49
  Can be very, very different things. Yeah. I just think that's such an interesting. It really is.
• 1:05:58
  And I'm just gonna just gonna leave that there. I feel like I have nothing smart to add to that
• 1:06:03
  because it was just like kind of so perfect. Oh. I get well. Yeah. No, I mean, it's very profound. And
• 1:06:10
  so everything that we say from here after is sort of just blep. I mean, thank goodness for you because
• 1:06:15
  you always sound smart. Well, I mean, I just read it. So that it. Yeah. That was it. Oh, I guess I
• 1:06:23
  didn't read the bullets. I was like that did seem short. In general, this is just sort of talking
• 1:06:30
  about, um, and regards to money. It's rejecting the material world to follow a spiritual path.
• 1:06:38
  It can indicate arrogance in financial areas and an attitude that you don't need to play by the
• 1:06:44
  rules because you're above all that, which is a very, a very nepoto baby. Yeah. Very, like very of
• 1:06:52
  potentially, you know, some, some military figures. Yeah, reminding me of John Jr. though, like I can just
• 1:07:01
  I'm the boss. I can do whatever I want. I can get going to drunk in rage, but also the maybe the
• 1:07:08
  people who maybe took advantage of that or the person who investigated it, you know, maybe he was just
• 1:07:15
  like, Oh, well, I'm in charge now. I can investigate this. However, I want to leave things out. I mean,
• 1:07:21
  I don't know what happened. But yeah, I mean, we weren't actually there, but, you know, we can imagine
• 1:07:27
  maybe what what happened based on historical context and, you know, what we do know. Um,
• 1:07:37
  Cassie. Okay. I know who I think this sounds like and I want you to tell me who you think. What do you say?
• 1:07:46
  Who what? How do you? What do you think, lady? If the reading is about your job, you're probably
• 1:07:56
  questioning authority or the limitations in your workplace. Sometimes the reversed hyrrophin
• 1:08:04
  indicates leaving an organization that you feel is unprincipled or that doesn't hold your values.
• 1:08:11
  Okay. Dr. John Muglaughlin. Dr. John leaving. Not agreeing with how his son's investigation,
• 1:08:21
  murder investigation was handled. I'm just saying crazy. We did it again. God,
• 1:08:27
  damn it. I think we did it again. Yeah, it was totally questioning this because it's like such,
• 1:08:34
  such like a religious figured card. But I think in this case, it's more of like a power figure.
• 1:08:40
  It is. I think it's more, I think it speaks more to authority. Yeah. In a reading about love,
• 1:08:47
  the reversed hyrrophin may mean you feel trapped in a relationship because you're afraid to
• 1:08:53
  buck a social religious or cultural order. This card can also indicate a relationship in which one
• 1:09:01
  person holds most of the power or is judgmental or dogmatic. Yeah, that just goes back to those
• 1:09:10
  authority figures that we talked about. I think. Yeah. Yeah. I think some of those, it can apply
• 1:09:17
  in so many dynamics where it's like, okay, I mean, not a religious institution, you know,
• 1:09:24
  per se, but it applies in those authoritarian. And I do feel like military is, the military is
• 1:09:34
  like pretty religious though. I feel like it's hard to divorce that from our country in so many aspects.
• 1:09:43
  And I feel like yeah, maybe that's more what I'm thinking is like one nation under God.
• 1:09:49
  Well, okay. I mean, so the argument can be made that obviously a big part of what our country was
• 1:10:00
  founded on is, you know, it's the separation of, you know, church and state. Yeah. They feel like they
• 1:10:08
  don't quite get there. You know, no taxation without representation. There's that. That's a, it's,
• 1:10:15
  you know, arguably the, of course, it all comes back to, you know, show me the money. But the religious
• 1:10:22
  component of, you know, of having that freedom, it's such, I mean, you can't separate that from
• 1:10:29
  from the founding of this country and from the, you know, the very earliest white settlers.
• 1:10:36
  So can you say this country again with a, with your Southern Marm accent?
• 1:10:41
  This country. I just love it. When I do that, do you know what I'm picturing? What?
• 1:10:52
  Okay, do you remember there was a Netflix? It's like a cartoon show and it was basically like about
• 1:10:58
  a bunch of 40 kids. I am drawing such a big mouth. Yes. I am, I am always Maya Rudolph in big mouth.
• 1:11:08
  What I'm doing that. I'm picturing the character. I'm picturing like bubble bio.
• 1:11:18
  Have a creepy ass day. We'll see you next Tuesday. We'll be there. Happy 200th anniversary,
• 1:11:30
  Fort Vancouver. It's like kind of a big deal when you get to 200, you know? We know, we know, we know,
• 1:11:37
  not 200 years. Oh, no, although it feels like it a little bit, a little bit. But obviously we're,
• 1:11:45
  I mean, look at us. We're radiant. So youthful. I mean, okay, maybe I'll play my 200 years old,
• 1:11:52
  then we would look extra good all the time.
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