Latest / Murder Files Unsealed / The Scorpion Serial Killer: Pawel Tuchlin's 8-Year Terror Spree
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- 0:00Speaker 1: I want you to picture a scene with me for
- 0:01a second.
- 0:01Speaker 2: Okay.
- 0:02Speaker 1: It is a bitter, freezing cold December night in nineteen
- 0:08eighty two. We are in this small Polish town called
- 0:12scar Zooey, right, and the temperature is hovering right around zero.
- 0:16But worse than the cold, there is a fog, a
- 0:18fog so incredibly dense, so absolutely suffocating, that you literally
- 0:23cannot see your own hand in front of your face.
- 0:25Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yeah, that kind of weather is just depressive, exactly.
- 0:28Speaker 1: It's the kind of weather that just swallows sound and
- 0:31light whole. And in this freezing, blinding mist, a brutal,
- 0:35unspeakable attack is happening. A twenty six year old woman
- 0:40is being bludgeoned and dragged into the bushes. And the
- 0:42most chilling detail of all this, this unimaginable act of violence,
- 0:46is happening right next door to the local Communist party headquarters.
- 0:49Speaker 2: It is just it's so brazen.
- 0:51Speaker 1: It is because for years a shadow had been stalking
- 0:54the region. And when this man, this shadow, is finally caught,
- 0:57the prosecutor asks him a really simple question, ask what
- 1:00would you do if you were released?
- 1:02Speaker 2: And his answer to that is just, it is beyond.
- 1:04Speaker 1: Words, it really is. It strips away any illusion you
- 1:07might have about human remorse. He just looks at them
- 1:09and says, well, I'd probably go for another hunt.
- 1:11Speaker 2: Yeah. It is a quote that just completely freezes the blood.
- 1:14I mean, it perfectly encapsulates the absolute terrifying void of
- 1:19empathy we are looking into today.
- 1:21Speaker 1: Today we are tracking a ghost. We're going on a
- 1:24deep dive into the anatomy of an eight year reign
- 1:27of terror of a man named Paul Tucklan.
- 1:30Speaker 2: The press and the police eventually dubbed him the Scorpion, right.
- 1:34Speaker 1: So we are diving into a really comprehensive stack of
- 1:37documentary evidence, psychological profiles, and police records to understand exactly
- 1:43how we operated.
- 1:44Speaker 2: Because it wasn't just the crimes themselves, it was the
- 1:46entire ecosystem around him exactly.
- 1:49Speaker 1: We are going to look at his deeply disturbed psychology,
- 1:52his incredibly brutal methods, and the specific geopolitical climate of
- 1:57nineteen seventies and eighties Poland that inadvert only gave him
- 2:00this massive cloak of invisibility.
- 2:02Speaker 2: And of course the frankly incredible, entirely analog detective work
- 2:07that finally brought him.
- 2:08Speaker 1: Down which is my favorite part of this whole thing.
- 2:10So to really set the stage for you listening, we
- 2:12have to grasp the sheer scale of the horror we're
- 2:15discussing here.
- 2:16Speaker 2: Right, Because, between nineteen seventy five and nineteen eighty three,
- 2:20in and around the busy port city of d Dansk,
- 2:23a man armed with nothing more than a heavy metal
- 2:26hammer viciously attacked twenty women.
- 2:29Speaker 1: Twenty women, that is just a staggering number.
- 2:32Speaker 2: It is. He murdered nine of them, callously beating them
- 2:35to death, and he left eleven others with incredibly severe
- 2:39life altering injuries.
- 2:40Speaker 1: And every single one was sexually assaulted.
- 2:42Speaker 2: Yeah, but our goal in this deep dive isn't simply
- 2:45to recount a list of crimes.
- 2:48Speaker 1: No, not at all. We really need to understand the
- 2:51underlying mechanisms here, like how does a predator like this
- 2:54hide in plain sight for nearly a decade?
- 2:57Speaker 2: And crucially, how did these specific political and social and
- 3:00environment of that era create the perfect ecosystem for a
- 3:03monster to roam completely unchecked?
- 3:06Speaker 1: Right, So let's start with the anatomy of his isolation,
- 3:08because you know, monsters don't just drop out of the
- 3:10sky fully formed.
- 3:11Speaker 2: They absolutely do not.
- 3:12Speaker 1: Tushlin was born in nineteen forty six in a highly isolated,
- 3:17very rural village called Gura, which is about forty miles
- 3:20from Gadansk, and he was the eighth of eleven children.
- 3:24Speaker 2: Just try to imagine the sheer chaos of a house
- 3:27with eleven kids in a post war rural agricultural setting.
- 3:32Speaker 1: I can't even fathom it. But it wasn't just a
- 3:34crowded farmhouse, right, It was a deeply violent one.
- 3:37Speaker 2: Yeah. His father was an alcoholic farmer who basically ruled
- 3:40the house with his fists.
- 3:41Speaker 1: And here's a detail from his early life that feels
- 3:43incredibly significant to his eventual pathology. Touchlin suffered from severe
- 3:48bedwetting until he was eighteen years old.
- 3:49Speaker 2: Eighteen the clinical term for that is nuysis, and experiencing
- 3:53it up until that age is staggering.
- 3:55Speaker 1: It's so far beyond normal childhood development stuff.
- 3:58Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, it goes way beyond a devel mental hurdle.
- 4:00The consequences for him were catastrophic on every front, socially
- 4:04and psychologically.
- 4:05Speaker 1: Did you have to think about the physical reality of it?
- 4:07Speaker 2: Right, when an adolescent is dealing with chronic inuresis in
- 4:11a harsh, impoverished environment, the physical reality, the constant smell,
- 4:16the dampness, the total inability to hide it. In a
- 4:19house of thirteen people, it becomes a totally defining characteristic
- 4:24of their existence.
- 4:25Speaker 1: And his father's reaction certainly wasn't to like get him
- 4:28medical help or psychological counseling.
- 4:30Speaker 2: No, definitely not. The father's reaction was just to beat
- 4:34him mercilessly for it.
- 4:36Speaker 1: And then at school the environment was just as hostile.
- 4:39I mean, you can imagine how cruel kids can be,
- 4:41especially in a small insular village.
- 4:44Speaker 2: Oh, they are ruthless exactly.
- 4:46Speaker 1: And because he smelled strongly of urine constantly, he was
- 4:49brutally ridiculed. They gave him these awful nicknames.
- 4:51Speaker 2: Yeah, the sources say they called him stinker, firefighter, pisser.
- 4:54Speaker 1: Just totally dehumanizing stuff. He was a complete outcast. He
- 4:57was literally physically repelling people.
- 5:00Speaker 2: And if we break down the psychological cocktail this specific
- 5:02type of childhood creates, Tushlin is internalizing two very distinct,
- 5:08very dangerous lessons simultaneously.
- 5:10Speaker 1: Okay, what's the first one.
- 5:11Speaker 2: First, he is learning that he is utterly marginalized. He
- 5:15has zero agency, no social standing, and he is entirely powerless.
- 5:20Speaker 1: Because he's rejected at home and at school.
- 5:22Speaker 2: Right, he's rejected by his family through physical violence, and
- 5:25he's rejected by his peers through disgust and mockery. So
- 5:29he is completely disconnected from any normal human warmth or acceptance.
- 5:33Speaker 1: Especially from girls his own age.
- 5:35Speaker 2: Right, exactly, girls naturally found him repulsive, which deeply affected him.
- 5:39Speaker 1: So what's the second lesson he's internalizing.
- 5:42Speaker 2: Well, the second lesson comes from observing his father. He
- 5:46is watching this alcoholic man beat him just to enforce obedience.
- 5:51Speaker 1: And they lived on a working farm, so he's seeing
- 5:53violence all the time.
- 5:54Speaker 2: Yes, he is watching his father's stun pigs before slaughtering them.
- 5:58So he internalizes this very dark truth about his environment.
- 6:02Violence is the primary, perhaps the only, effective tool for
- 6:05establishing authority and control over other living things. Oh yeah,
- 6:09in his mind, if you want to control something, you
- 6:11physically dominate it, you harm it, you render it unconscious.
- 6:14Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this for a second, because I'm struggling
- 6:16with that.
- 6:16Speaker 2: A little bit.
- 6:17Speaker 1: Ohso, Well, millions of kids suffer horrible bullying and violent abuse,
- 6:22but they don't pick up a hammer and start hunting
- 6:24human beings. There has to be I don't know, a
- 6:27unique spark here, a missing ingredient.
- 6:30Speaker 2: That's a very fair point to me.
- 6:32Speaker 1: It feels like his childhood wasn't just a tough upbringing.
- 6:35It was a pressure cooker, but the release valve was
- 6:38completely welded shut.
- 6:40Speaker 2: Ooh.
- 6:41Speaker 1: I like that analogy, right, because most people have some
- 6:44way to vent the steam. A sympathetic teacher, a single
- 6:47good friend, a hobby, literally any escape, and Titchlin had
- 6:51none of that exactly. His complete inability to connect with
- 6:54his peers, combined with that inescapable physical stench of urine
- 6:58that literally forced pe away from him, created what I
- 7:01can only describe as a solitary confinement of the mind.
- 7:04Speaker 2: A solitary confinement of the mind. That is a really
- 7:07powerful way.
- 7:08Speaker 1: To look at it, because he was just entirely trapped
- 7:10inside his own humiliation with no way out. But how
- 7:14does that profound early life humiliation specifically warp someone's perception
- 7:19of women.
- 7:20Speaker 2: Well, because he cannot interact normally with the outside world,
- 7:24he is forced completely inward. And when a mind is
- 7:27simmering with that much humiliation and anger and it has
- 7:31no external grounding, the fantasies that develop are rarely healthy.
- 7:35Speaker 1: They become compensatory.
- 7:36Speaker 2: Right exactly because he was deeply intimidated by women from
- 7:40an early age, just terrified of them is the ultimate
- 7:43judges of his inadequacy. He retreated into deviant sexual fantasies
- 7:47to cope.
- 7:47Speaker 1: So in his head, he's the one in charge.
- 7:50Speaker 2: Right in his mind, in his day dreams, he isn't
- 7:53the smelly, pathetic outcast. He holds all the power. He
- 7:57strips away their agency so that they can't judge, they
- 8:00can't laugh at him, and they can't reject.
- 8:01Speaker 1: Him because the fantasy is literally the only place he
- 8:04feels safe and dominant.
- 8:05Speaker 2: That's exactly it.
- 8:06Speaker 1: But rural isolation eventually has to meet the real world.
- 8:09I mean, you can't stay in the farmhouse forever.
- 8:11Speaker 2: True.
- 8:12Speaker 1: When he turns eighteen, his bed wedding finally stops and
- 8:15he decides to make a move. He heads to the city,
- 8:18to the suburbs of a Dansk to get a fresh start,
- 8:20which is a huge transition, huge, and he gets a
- 8:23job in construction and for a brief moment it actually
- 8:27looks like he might pull off a normal life.
- 8:29Speaker 2: He even meets a woman.
- 8:30Speaker 1: Yeah, he meets a woman, they get married, they even
- 8:32have a baby. But you can't outrun your own mind.
- 8:35Speaker 2: No you can't. The geography changed, but the psychology didn't, and.
- 8:39Speaker 1: By nineteen seventy three that marriage completely collapses.
- 8:43Speaker 2: It does. The underlying issues, his inability to truly connect,
- 8:47his deeply rooted resentments, his utter lack of emotional regulation,
- 8:52They all inevitably surface.
- 8:54Speaker 1: So losing the marriage was kind of the trigger.
- 8:56Speaker 2: With the collapse of the marriage, the thin veneer of
- 8:59normal siege shatters. He loses the only structural anchor he
- 9:03had managed to build, and he begins to actively pursue
- 9:06those dark fantasies he developed in his youth.
- 9:08Speaker 1: So the internal pressure is finally breaching the.
- 9:10Speaker 2: Surface exactly, and the escalation starts with voyeurism. The psychological
- 9:14term for it is scoptophilia.
- 9:16Speaker 1: Which is basically deriving sexual pleasure and gratification from secretly
- 9:19watching women through their windows.
- 9:21Speaker 2: Yes, but notice the specific power dynamic at play in scoptophilia.
- 9:26He is watching them, but they cannot see him.
- 9:28Speaker 1: He's totally in control of the interaction exactly.
- 9:31Speaker 2: He is taking something from them, their privacy, their intimacy,
- 9:35completely without their consent, and they are powerless to stop
- 9:38it because they don't even know it's happening.
- 9:40Speaker 1: Which makes sense for his background.
- 9:42Speaker 2: For a man who has felt observed and mocked his
- 9:45entire life, being the unseen observer provides a profound, intoxicating
- 9:51sense of power that he desperately craves.
- 9:54Speaker 1: But watching isn't enough for long though.
- 9:56Speaker 2: No it rarely is in these cases.
- 9:58Speaker 1: He graduates to exhibition. He starts wearing a heavy coat,
- 10:01finding young women on the street and exposing himself, and
- 10:04this leads us to the catalyst, the turning point, right,
- 10:07the absolute breaking point where the voyeur becomes the scorpion.
- 10:11He's near the city's medical academy and he spots a
- 10:14female student.
- 10:15Speaker 2: And he unzips his jacket exposes himself, waiting for that
- 10:19reaction of shock or fear, which in his twisted mind
- 10:23equals power.
- 10:24Speaker 1: But she doesn't scream, she doesn't run away in terror.
- 10:27She just looks at him and says, hey, dude, you
- 10:29have nothing to show, and she starts.
- 10:30Speaker 2: Laughing, which is incredible. But if we place that moment
- 10:34in the context of his entire life, that laughter is
- 10:38a catastrophic psychological event for.
- 10:41Speaker 1: Him, because it's his worst fear realized exactly.
- 10:44Speaker 2: He has been his entire childhood, being the town joke,
- 10:47the stinker. He transitions to exhibitionism to finally be the
- 10:51one causing fear to dictate the emotional reality of the encounter.
- 10:55Speaker 1: And instead he's plunged right back into the ultimate humiliation.
- 10:59Speaker 2: The documentary material highlights this as the pivotal psychological shift.
- 11:04His internal reaction he literally thought, bloody women, I will
- 11:08show you signals a complete transformation in his desires.
- 11:11Speaker 1: It's no longer enough to merely be seen or to
- 11:14shock them.
- 11:15Speaker 2: No, to guarantee he will never be rejected or laughed
- 11:17at again, He requires their total physical subjugation.
- 11:20Speaker 1: He needs to guarantee they cannot laugh, which brings us
- 11:23to the terrifying pragmatism of his weapon, rah Hammer. Right
- 11:26when he decides to escalate to physical violence, he doesn't
- 11:29use a knife for a gun. He uses a heavy hammer.
- 11:32It goes right back to the farming gora, right back
- 11:34to watching his father stunning the.
- 11:36Speaker 2: Pigs, the muscle memory of control exactly.
- 11:39Speaker 1: But here is the detail that just chilled me to
- 11:42the bone. He would wrap a cloth around the heavy
- 11:44metal head of the hammer. Now you listening, your first
- 11:47thought is probably, Oh, he's trying to muffle the sound
- 11:50of the strike, or maybe soften the blow to not
- 11:53be lethal.
- 11:54Speaker 2: That would be the logical assumption.
- 11:55Speaker 1: But no, he wrapped it in cloth so that when
- 11:58he tucked the hammer down the front of his trousers
- 12:00to hide it while walking the streets, the cold metal
- 12:03wouldn't make his stomach cold.
- 12:04Speaker 2: That detail speaks volumes about his pathology.
- 12:07Speaker 1: I mean, how do you even comprehend that.
- 12:09Speaker 2: It is supreme narcissism. He is preparing to go out
- 12:13and shatter a human being skull to inflict unimaginable life
- 12:17ending agony, and his primary logistical concern is his own
- 12:22mild physical discomfort during the commute.
- 12:24Speaker 1: It's so sickening.
- 12:25Speaker 2: It demonstrates a complete clinical detachment from the humanity of
- 12:28his victims. To him, they are people with lives and families.
- 12:32They are merely objects to be subdued, stepping stones for
- 12:35his own gratification.
- 12:37Speaker 1: Speaking of how he viewed them, there's another critical detail
- 12:40from the sources regarding his modus operandi, his mo He
- 12:44would often completely obliterate the faces of his victims with
- 12:47the hammer.
- 12:48Speaker 2: Yes, the facial trauma was extreme.
- 12:51Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? If his primary goal
- 12:54is to take away their power to laugh at him,
- 12:56how does that manifest physically when he attacks why the
- 13:00face specifically?
- 13:01Speaker 2: In behavioral analysis, overkill directed specifically at a victim's face
- 13:05is almost always interpreted as a deeply personal act of
- 13:09identity erasure. Identity erasure, right, the face is where humanity resides,
- 13:13you know. It's how we recognize someone, how they express emotion,
- 13:16how they communicate, and, crucially for Tiplin, how they express mockery.
- 13:20Speaker 1: So by targeting it.
- 13:21Speaker 2: By systematically destroying the face, he is annihilating the person's identity.
- 13:25He's transforming them from a complex human being with the
- 13:28capacity to judge him into exactly what the clinical reports describe,
- 13:32a passive, motionless.
- 13:33Speaker 1: Female, which was his ultimate goal.
- 13:35Speaker 2: Yes, is the ultimate manifestation of his immense, lifelong resentment.
- 13:40He is violently silencing the laughter forever.
- 13:42Speaker 1: So he has the motive, he has the deep seated rage,
- 13:45and he has his practical, cloth wrapped weapon. We shift
- 13:49from the theoretical to the horrifying reality. On Halloween night,
- 13:54October thirty first, nineteen seventy five.
- 13:56Speaker 2: Tuchulin is twenty nine years old.
- 13:57Speaker 1: At this point, right, he spots a twenty one year
- 13:59old waitress named Danusia walking home alone. He ambushes her,
- 14:03smashes her with the hammer, and drags her into the bushes.
- 14:07Speaker 2: But then something unexpected happens.
- 14:09Speaker 1: A couple walking by here's whimpering in the dark. And
- 14:12what Chuklin does next is a display of terrifying, cold
- 14:16blooded composure.
- 14:17Speaker 2: It really is.
- 14:18Speaker 1: He steps out of the bushes, looks directly at the
- 14:20witnesses and says, I think someone's groaning over there. Something
- 14:24bad must have happened. You stay here and I'll go
- 14:26call the ambulance. And he just calmly turns and walks
- 14:29away into the night.
- 14:30Speaker 2: It is a remarkable display of psychopathic control. I mean,
- 14:34most first time attackers, when interrupted, experience a massive adrenaline spike.
- 14:39Speaker 1: Right, They panic, or run wildly, or attack the witness.
- 14:42Speaker 2: Exactly touchlnn uses manipulation and a facade of civic concern
- 14:47to simply stroll away from the scene of a brutal,
- 14:50bloody crime. Fortunately, because he was interrupted, Danusia survived, though
- 14:55she was critically injured, and he.
- 14:56Speaker 1: Doesn't retreat for long. He attacks again just two months later,
- 15:00in January nineteen seventy six, snowy freezing conditions, he hits
- 15:04another woman with the hammer, but again he is interrupted
- 15:07by passers by and she survives. And then again Yeah,
- 15:09four weeks later, February nineteen seventy six, a third attack,
- 15:13same exact result. She manages to survive because the attack
- 15:17is cut short.
- 15:18Speaker 2: From a criminological standpoint, the nature of these early attacks
- 15:21is fascinating. It operates on the principle of coitus interruptus,
- 15:26but applied to violent escalation. Okay, tell me more about that. Well.
- 15:29In all three instances, the violent sequence was initiated but
- 15:32not brought to its intended conclusion. He didn't get to
- 15:35fully enact the sexual assault and domination portion of his
- 15:37fantasy because external factors forced him to flee.
- 15:40Speaker 1: So he's not deterred by getting caught.
- 15:42Speaker 2: Psychologically, this doesn't deter him at all. It actually creates
- 15:46an unbearable itch. The violent neural pathways have been activated
- 15:50but left unfulfilled, demanding completion.
- 15:53Speaker 1: The pressure inside that welded shut boiler is rising again exactly,
- 15:58and he actually started to create the process itself. It
- 16:01wasn't just about ambushing them instantly and getting it over with.
- 16:04He wanted the thrill of the chase.
- 16:07Speaker 2: The chase prolongs the victim's distress. It maximizes his feeling
- 16:12of power before he finally turns them into that passive object.
- 16:15Speaker 1: Right, he's feeding on it.
- 16:16Speaker 2: The fear he sees in them during the pursuit is
- 16:18intoxicating to a man who's felt powerless and invisible his
- 16:22entire life. He is savoring the dominance.
- 16:24Speaker 1: So right as this pattern is accelerating, right as this
- 16:27itch is demanding to be scratched, the attacks suddenly stop.
- 16:31In late nineteen seventy six, For three whole years, there
- 16:35isn't a single hammer attack in.
- 16:36Speaker 2: Gadans, which is highly unusual.
- 16:39Speaker 1: Very did he suddenly find his conscience? Did the urges
- 16:42go away? No? He goes to prison. But here is
- 16:45the dark irony of the justice system. He doesn't go
- 16:49to prison for the brutal hammer attacks. He goes to
- 16:51prison for three years for stealing tools from his workplace.
- 16:55Speaker 2: The bureaucratic irony is profound. The criminal justice system success
- 17:00fully removed a highly dangerous, escalating sexual predator from the streets,
- 17:05but they did it completely by accident.
- 17:07Speaker 1: They caught him for petty theft.
- 17:08Speaker 2: Yeah, totally unaware that they were actually pausing a serial
- 17:12killer's evolution.
- 17:13Speaker 1: It's just wild to think about. He's sitting in a
- 17:15cell and the authorities think we got the guy who
- 17:17stole the wrenches, while he's sitting there with the blood
- 17:20of three women on his hands, just waiting it.
- 17:22Speaker 2: Out, waiting and fantasizing.
- 17:24Speaker 1: Prison didn't rehabilitate him at all, It just delayed his urges.
- 17:27Let's fast forward to the summer of nineteen seventy nine.
- 17:31He is released from prison. He gets a laboring job
- 17:34at a railway rolling stock factory known as z NTK, and.
- 17:37Speaker 2: You have to look at his specific role there.
- 17:39Speaker 1: Yeah, he is the guy in charge of distributing the
- 17:42heavy tools to the workers.
- 17:43Speaker 2: You truly couldn't write a more volatile scenario.
- 17:46Speaker 1: I know.
- 17:48Speaker 2: You take a man whose weapon of choice is a
- 17:50heavy metal hammer, whose violent fantasies have been marinating and
- 17:54concentrating in a prison cell for three years, and you
- 17:57put him in a room full of heavy metal tools
- 17:59with minimal supervision.
- 18:01Speaker 1: It's a recipe for disaster.
- 18:03Speaker 2: It was the catalyst that moved him from severe assault
- 18:05to outright murder. The environment provided the exact means for
- 18:10his pathology to fully express itself.
- 18:12Speaker 1: So November ninth, nineteen seventy nine, he takes a bus
- 18:15out to a village about ten miles from Gadansk. He
- 18:18is actively hunting, now, traveling to find victims.
- 18:21Speaker 2: He's changed his pattern right.
- 18:23Speaker 1: He spots a twenty year old nurse walking home alone.
- 18:26He exposes himself. She turns in shock, and he strikes
- 18:29her with the hammer. But this time it's not a
- 18:31single stunning blow to incapacitate. He struck her fifteen times
- 18:35in the head. Fifteen times.
- 18:37Speaker 2: We really have to pause and recognize the sheer, exhausting
- 18:40physical brutality of fifteen full force hammer blows.
- 18:44Speaker 1: It's hard to even picture.
- 18:45Speaker 2: It requires a sustained, frenzied rage, that level of overkill,
- 18:50that an immense amount of kinetic energy directed at a
- 18:53human skull ensures massive irreversible trauma. It is an exertion
- 18:58of total annihilation.
- 19:00Speaker 1: He drags her into the bushes, and while he is
- 19:02sexually assaulting her, her hands and legs are moving not
- 19:05because she is fighting back, but because of unconditioned reflexes
- 19:08due to the catastrophic brain damage you just inflicted.
- 19:11Speaker 2: Horrific.
- 19:11Speaker 1: She is actively dying, her brain is misfiring, and he
- 19:14is entirely unfazed by it. He finishes, wipes the blood
- 19:18off the hammer, and leaves.
- 19:19Speaker 2: This moment demonstrates the complete crystallization of his psychopathy. How
- 19:23the fact that he can engage in sexual gratification while
- 19:26the victim is actively displaying the neurological spasms of death
- 19:29shows that he views her solely as a mechanism for
- 19:32his own pleasure, just an object right, her humanity, her suffering,
- 19:36her impending death. None of it registers in his consciousness,
- 19:40is anything other than background noise to his own satisfaction.
- 19:43He has achieved his ultimate fantasy, absolute control over a
- 19:46completely passive entity.
- 19:48Speaker 1: But as he is fleeing this horrific scene, he makes
- 19:52a massive mistake. He tries to jump over a stream
- 19:55in the dark, and the hammer drops out of his
- 19:57hand and into the shallow water.
- 20:00Speaker 2: Huge piece of evidence.
- 20:01Speaker 1: The police find it the very next day, and right
- 20:03there on the handle it is stamped with four letters
- 20:06z NTK the exact factory where he works.
- 20:10Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
- 20:11Speaker 1: Wait, I have to push back on this. They found
- 20:13the exact murder weapon stamped with his workplace, and he
- 20:17was literally the guy in charge of checking out the tools.
- 20:20How did he not get caught right then and there.
- 20:23It defies all logic.
- 20:24Speaker 2: It does seem impossible. But this is where we see
- 20:26the perverse luk of the criminal intersecting with bureaucratic blind spots.
- 20:31Speaker 1: Okay, explain this to me.
- 20:33Speaker 2: The police absolutely follow that lead. They went directly to
- 20:36the ZNTK factory. They interviewed the foreman. They looked at
- 20:39the tool logs. But Tichlan hadn't checked that hammer out
- 20:43through the official system. Of course, not because he was
- 20:46a thief by nature. He had simply stolen the hammer
- 20:49off the books. When the police looked at the official
- 20:51list of who had checked out hammers that week, Paul
- 20:54Tichlan's name wasn't on it.
- 20:56Speaker 1: So his petty criminality, his habit of just stealing whatever
- 20:59he wanted, actually acted as a shield that masked his
- 21:03ultimate evil. Exactly if he had been a good employee
- 21:06and followed the rules to sign it out, he would
- 21:08have been caught after murder number one.
- 21:10Speaker 2: It is a terrifying reality of investigative work. The system
- 21:13was designed to track honest workers, not thieves, and because
- 21:17he slips through that net, he feels emboldened.
- 21:20Speaker 1: He feels untouchable, which leads to his next phase. In
- 21:23nineteen eighty, he moves back to his rural hometown of Gura.
- 21:27He remarries, he has another child, and he lives this bizarre,
- 21:31compartmentalized dual life.
- 21:33Speaker 2: Very typical of organized serial killers.
- 21:35Speaker 1: To his new wife and his neighbors, he's just a
- 21:37farmer who does odd jobs at night to make extra money.
- 21:40But those odd jobs are actually hunting trips across the region.
- 21:43Speaker 2: And the attacks become consistently lethal.
- 21:45Speaker 1: Now February nineteen eighty, he attacks a thirty year old
- 21:48woman named Anastasia. She rejects his advances on a path,
- 21:52he strikes her down, and this brings us to what
- 21:54might be the single most disturbing detail of his behavior
- 21:57from the source material, the Celebratal Yes.
- 22:02Speaker 2: After attacking Anastasia, after rummaging through her belongings and taking
- 22:06whatever trivial items he wanted, Tutelin would find any foods
- 22:09she had with her lunch, her groceries, and he would
- 22:12sit down and eat it. I just I can't you
- 22:15literally sit there eating her food while watching her bleed
- 22:18to death in absolute agony.
- 22:20Speaker 1: I literally cannot wrap my head around that. Sitting down
- 22:22for a snack while someone is dying at your feet.
- 22:25What does that level of callousness even reveal about a
- 22:28human brain?
- 22:30Speaker 2: It reveals in narcissism so profound that it borders on
- 22:33the incomprehensible for a normal person. Empathy requires the neurological
- 22:38capacity to project yourself into the experience of another person,
- 22:42to feel a fraction of.
- 22:43Speaker 1: Their pain, and he just doesn't have that.
- 22:45Speaker 2: Tushlin lacks that mechanism entirely. For him, the universe consists
- 22:48of one entity, Paul Tucklan. The victim's agony is less
- 22:51important to him than a momentary pang of hunger.
- 22:54Speaker 1: It's chilling.
- 22:55Speaker 2: Eating a meal while watching someone die isn't just apathy.
- 22:58It's an assertion of ultimate dominance. It says your life
- 23:02is ending, your suffering is absolute, and I am so
- 23:04completely unaffected by it that I'm going to casually enjoy
- 23:07a sandwich. It is the apex of predatory dehumanization, and
- 23:12he keeps doing it.
- 23:13Speaker 1: By the end of nineteen eighty he has killed six women.
- 23:16You have to ask yourself, how how could a man
- 23:19commit these brutal, noisy hammer attacks across the countryside, on buses,
- 23:24on trains for years without sparking a massive nationwide manhunt.
- 23:29Speaker 2: It's a great question.
- 23:30Speaker 1: If this happened today, it would be wall to wall
- 23:33news coverage. But to understand why they weren't catching him,
- 23:35we have to pull back and look at the geopolitical
- 23:38shield that protected him.
- 23:39Speaker 2: Because context is everything here. We are talking about Poland
- 23:42in the early nineteen eighties, right, This is a country
- 23:45in the grip of massive political and social.
- 23:47Speaker 1: Upheaval, and when you read the internal memos from the
- 23:51regime at the time, it's fascinating to see how their
- 23:53ideological priorities completely blinded them to a local crisis.
- 23:57Speaker 2: Yeah, the early eighties in Poland saw the rise of
- 24:01the Solidarity or solid Arnosk Labor Union uprising. This was
- 24:05a massive anti communist social movement that threatened the very
- 24:08foundation of the state, so they were distracted. Consequently, the
- 24:12Communist government and their militia police force were entirely preoccupied
- 24:17with maintaining their grip on power, their resources, their manpower,
- 24:21and their attention were intensely focused on tracking down political dissidents,
- 24:25monitoring protests and crushing the opposition.
- 24:28Speaker 1: Catching a violent criminal in the suburbs was just a
- 24:30super low priority compared to regime survival exactly. And I
- 24:34want to pause here for a mandatory impartiality note for
- 24:37you listening. We are neutrally reporting the historical context provided
- 24:41by the sources here. We are not taking a political
- 24:44stance left or right, but we are merely explaining how
- 24:46the regime's ideological pride and focus on political survival resulted
- 24:50in a low priority for murder investigations.
- 24:52Speaker 2: Yes, it's about the historical facts of the era, right.
- 24:55Speaker 1: So there was also a deep ideological blindfold they were wearing.
- 25:00The official party line of the time, dictated from the
- 25:02top down, basically said that serial killers could exist in
- 25:06the USA, in the UK, or in the rotten West,
- 25:10but not in a beautiful communist country like Poland.
- 25:13Speaker 2: It was a point of pride.
- 25:15Speaker 1: So how did this ideology actually function on the ground
- 25:18to stop an investigation?
- 25:19Speaker 2: It functioned through institutional denial and strict censorship. The state
- 25:24narrative insisted that violent crime, especially aberrant serial violence, was
- 25:29a symptom of capitalist decay.
- 25:31Speaker 1: So it couldn't happen there.
- 25:32Speaker 2: Right, It was a disease born of greed and social inequality.
- 25:36To admit that a serial killer was operating in Gadansk
- 25:39would be to admit that the communist utopia was fundamentally flawed. Wow.
- 25:43So local police who might have noticed the pattern were
- 25:45actively discouraged from reporting it up the chain. The state
- 25:48controlled media was strictly forbidden from publishing warnings or connecting
- 25:51the murders.
- 25:52Speaker 1: The authorities basically chose institutional denial over public safety.
- 25:55Speaker 2: They did they didn't connect the docks, they didn't warn
- 25:58the public, and they deliberately start any potential investigation of resources.
- 26:02Speaker 1: And the result of that denial on the ground was
- 26:04a terrifying psychosis of fear. As one local journalist put
- 26:08it in the sources. Because the government wasn't officially acknowledging
- 26:11a serial killer, rumors just exploded through whisper networks.
- 26:15Speaker 2: People talk, Yeah.
- 26:17Speaker 1: Women in Gadansk and the surrounding areas were absolutely terrified.
- 26:21Men were having to act as escorts walking women home
- 26:24from factories and shops every single evening. The citizens knew
- 26:28something was horribly wrong, even if the newspapers refused to
- 26:31print a word of it.
- 26:32Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Tushlin is using this chaos to his advantage. He
- 26:36is highly mobile. He isn't just walking around his neighborhood.
- 26:39He is using the region's public transit system, buses, trains,
- 26:43and even stolen cars to travel along specific.
- 26:46Speaker 1: Routes, striking and then vanishing.
- 26:48Speaker 2: Yes, vanishing back into the rural anonymity of his farm.
- 26:52The political turmoil provided a thick smoke.
- 26:54Speaker 1: Screen, a smoke screen that lasted until he made a
- 26:57geographical error so massive that the government could no longer
- 27:00look away, Which brings us right back to the beginning
- 27:03of this deep dive. December eighth, nineteen eighty two. Scars Zooey.
- 27:07Speaker 2: The fog, the fog.
- 27:09Speaker 1: The temperature is zero degrees. The fog is so thick
- 27:12it's like a physical wall. Touch Lynn spots a twenty
- 27:15six year old factory worker named Bojana. He attacks her,
- 27:18hits her with the hammer, knocks her out, and drags
- 27:21her into the bushes to continue his assault.
- 27:23Speaker 2: It's so tragic.
- 27:24Speaker 1: Residents in the nearby apartments actually hear her crying out.
- 27:27They hear saying mom, mommy, but because of the fog,
- 27:30they can't see anything. Bojina actually woke up twice during
- 27:34the attack, begging for help, and he just hit her
- 27:37again to silence her.
- 27:38Speaker 2: It is a horrific scene, and it highlights how physical
- 27:40geography in extreme weather aided him. The blinding fog acted
- 27:44as a physical accomplice, isolating Bojana for the people who
- 27:47could hear her but couldn't locate her to intervene.
- 27:50Speaker 1: But it wasn't the physical geography that got him caught.
- 27:52Speaker 2: No, it was the political geography of this specific murder
- 27:56that finally forced the state's hand because.
- 27:58Speaker 1: He left her to die right next to the local
- 28:01Communist party headquarters exactly.
- 28:03Speaker 2: The regime could afford to ignore bodies found in rural
- 28:06fields or distant suburbs, But when a young woman is
- 28:09brutally murdered practically on the doorstep of the ruling party's
- 28:12local seat of power, the optics are impossible to ignore.
- 28:16Speaker 1: It shatters the narrative.
- 28:18Speaker 2: It completely shatters the narrative of safety and order that
- 28:21the party relied upon. The mass murders can no longer
- 28:24be swept under the rug. The illusion of the safe
- 28:26communist utopia was broken, and they were forced.
- 28:29Speaker 1: To act, and act they did the very next month,
- 28:32January nineteen eighty three, a massive special police unit is formed,
- 28:36a task force specifically dedicated to finding this man. Finally,
- 28:40it's led by commanders like Stanislov Shechiak and Andrezi Gavrich,
- 28:44and this task force officially names him the Scorpion. The
- 28:48media's censorship is finally lifted and coverage explodes. They give
- 28:51him this incredibly evocative nickname. The sudden over the head
- 28:55striking motion of the hammer perfectly matched the sting of
- 28:58a scorpion.
- 28:58Speaker 2: It is an apt, albeit rim moniker that captures the sudden,
- 29:02lethal nature of his attacks.
- 29:04Speaker 1: Now here's where it gets really interesting. Think about it
- 29:07from touchln's perspective. Here's a guy who spent his entire
- 29:11life being called stinker and pisserait.
- 29:14Speaker 2: A total outcast.
- 29:15Speaker 1: It was a marginalized nobody, mocked by everyone, smelling of urine,
- 29:20living in rural poverty, and suddenly he's on the front
- 29:24page of the newspapers. He's the Scorpion. He has an
- 29:27entire specialized government task force hunting him. He has become
- 29:32a dark celebrity that had to have fed his massive ego.
- 29:36Speaker 2: Right, Oh, absolutely yeah. For a malignant narcissist who felt
- 29:39invisible and powerless, his whole life. This is the ultimate validation.
- 29:43He is finally important.
- 29:44Speaker 1: He's the main character.
- 29:45Speaker 2: He is generating widespread fear, which is his primary currency.
- 29:49Being named and hunted by the state wouldn't have terrified him,
- 29:52would have made him feel invincible. He likely viewed himself
- 29:54as a master criminal, outsmarting the entire system, just reveling
- 29:58in the panic he.
- 29:59Speaker 1: Was causing, invincible until he trips over a piglet.
- 30:02Speaker 2: The mundane details of life always intervene in these cases.
- 30:05Speaker 1: This transition is just wild to me. The task course
- 30:08has the will, they have the resources, but they need
- 30:10a solid lead. And ironically, it's not one of his
- 30:13brutal murders that trips him up. It's his old, unbreakable
- 30:16habit of petty theft.
- 30:17Speaker 2: Yep, he couldn't help himself.
- 30:19Speaker 1: We are in February nineteen eighty three. Tushlin steals a van.
- 30:23He's driving around near a small town and he spots
- 30:25a farm with some piglets in a sty. So what
- 30:28does this terrifying serial killer do? He pulls over loads
- 30:32a bunch of piglets into the stolen van and drives
- 30:35them home to his farm. He literally tells his wife
- 30:37he got them as payment for a job.
- 30:39Speaker 2: It highlights the chaotic, opportunistic nature of his criminality. He
- 30:44is governed entirely by impulse. He sees a woman, he
- 30:47wants to assault her. He sees a van, he wants
- 30:49to steal it. He ses pigs, he takes them.
- 30:51Speaker 1: There's no master plan, there's.
- 30:53Speaker 2: No grand discipline master plan. There's only immediate gratification of
- 30:57whatever urge strikes him in the moment.
- 31:00Speaker 1: So the very next day, March first, he is out
- 31:01driving that same stolen van. He spots a twenty five
- 31:05year old accountant named Vaslava walking to work. And here's
- 31:09where he crucially alters his momo a very bad idea.
- 31:12Instead of just ambushing her in the bushes, he pulls
- 31:15the van over, sharply, hits her, and throws her unconscious
- 31:19body into the back of the van, intending to drive
- 31:21to the secluded woods, But the van gets stuck in
- 31:25the thick spring mud.
- 31:27Speaker 2: A critical failure of his altered plant. Because the vehicle
- 31:30is immobilized, he is forced to conduct the assault right there. Hastily.
- 31:34He attacks her, leaves her for dead in the field,
- 31:37and is forced to abandon the stolen van in the
- 31:39mud and flee on foot.
- 31:40Speaker 1: But Vaslava is incredibly tough and she is really lucky.
- 31:43She survives the hammer attack, and because he altered hism
- 31:47and tried to abduct her, in the daylight, she gets
- 31:49a good look at him. She gives the police a
- 31:51solid description, which is huge. And when the police arrive
- 31:54at the abandoned van, this is where the analog detective
- 31:57work just shines. They look in the back of the van.
- 32:00Speaker 2: What do they find?
- 32:01Speaker 1: Pig feces from the piglets he stole the day before.
- 32:04The police immediately conclude this guy isn't a city dweller.
- 32:06He's coming from a rural farm.
- 32:08Speaker 2: That deduction narrows the geographic profile significantly, But the master
- 32:12stroke was a cultural realization based on the era.
- 32:15Speaker 1: Right, Commander Schiach realizes that the killer drove a van.
- 32:19In nineteen eighties Poland, having a driver's license was still
- 32:22a massive rarity. It wasn't like today where everyone has
- 32:25a license. Vehicles were scarce and the bureaucracy to get
- 32:28licensed was intense.
- 32:30Speaker 2: A driver's license in that specific time and place was
- 32:33a very narrow filter. So Commander Chiack does something incredibly tedious,
- 32:38but brilliant. We have to understand how difficult this was.
- 32:41There are no digitized databases.
- 32:43Speaker 1: No computers to just search none.
- 32:46Speaker 2: Chiac manually requests the bureaucratic paper records of every single
- 32:49person who holds a driver's license in the rural areas
- 32:52where the attacks were concentrated. He then filters that physical
- 32:55stack of papers by age, looking for men between twenty
- 32:58five and forty based on Va Slava's description.
- 33:01Speaker 1: Let's unpack this detective work because I'm just marveling at it.
- 33:03This isn't modern CSI. They didn't have cell phone tower pings,
- 33:06they didn't have DNA databases, they didn't have CCTV cameras.
- 33:09They had pigpoop and filing cabinets.
- 33:11Speaker 2: It's remarkable.
- 33:12Speaker 1: It's like they were trying to find a needle in
- 33:14a haystack, and instead of just sifting through the hay forever,
- 33:17they realized the needle they were looking for had a
- 33:20very specific magnetic property, the driver's license.
- 33:23Speaker 2: That's a great way to describe it.
- 33:25Speaker 1: They used that specific filter to pull his file right
- 33:28out of a mountain of irrelevant paperwork.
- 33:31Speaker 2: The driver's license was the magnetic force. Once Schiac had
- 33:35that narrowed list of licensed men of the right age
- 33:38in the right area. He manually cross referenced it with
- 33:42the physical records of known criminals, and there on the
- 33:46list is Paul Tuckler.
- 33:48Speaker 1: And what is his known criminal record?
- 33:50Speaker 2: Theft, specifically stealing tools. The pieces are aligning.
- 33:54Speaker 1: Rapidly, so Chiac requests Tuxlan's mugshot. Over the years, the
- 33:59police had managed to get at eight separate photofit sketches
- 34:02from the women who had survived his attacks. Shiac takes
- 34:05touch on smugshot and places it next to those eight sketches.
- 34:08Speaker 2: The eureka moment, Shack said, it gave him shivers. It
- 34:11was a perfect match. Ye. It was as if the
- 34:13mugshot was a compilation of all those fragmented memories from
- 34:17the survivors. They had his face, they had his name,
- 34:20and from the license records, they had his exact address
- 34:23in Gura. The hunt was effectively over.
- 34:26Speaker 1: But before they can mobilize and get out to the farm,
- 34:28he strikes one last time. May sixth, nineteen eighty three.
- 34:33He attacks a nineteen year old seamstress named Yolanta. She
- 34:37rejects him. He hits her with the hammer, assaults her
- 34:40and she dies.
- 34:40Speaker 2: It's devastating.
- 34:41Speaker 1: She is his ninth murder victim. It's absolutely heartbreaking that
- 34:45she lost her life right as the police were finalizing
- 34:47his identity. Three weeks later, they finally move in to
- 34:51arrest him, and.
- 34:52Speaker 2: The pretext for the arrest is almost comical. Considering the
- 34:54gravity of his crimes.
- 34:56Speaker 1: It is absurd. The elite Scorpion Task Force rolls up
- 34:59to his farm, but they don't kick down the door
- 35:01shouting about serial murder. They arrest him because his neighbor called.
- 35:04Speaker 2: The cops over a pig cooker.
- 35:06Speaker 1: Yes, Tutelin had stolen a massive pig cooker from the
- 35:09farm next door.
- 35:10Speaker 2: It just goes back to his feeling of invincibility. He
- 35:13thought he was untouchable. He has just murdered his ninth victim.
- 35:17He's the most wanted man in the country, and he
- 35:19decides to casually steal a large piece of farm equipment
- 35:23from his immediate neighbor.
- 35:24Speaker 1: He had completely lost any sense of risk assessment.
- 35:27Speaker 2: The police used the pick cooker as a quiet pretext
- 35:30to get handcuffs on him without sparking a violent confrontation.
- 35:33Speaker 1: So they bring him in four officers in the car
- 35:35and they all just know looking at him, this is
- 35:37the guy. They get him into the interrogation room with
- 35:40Detective Govrish. It takes four and a half hours. At first,
- 35:44he plays dumb, says he doesn't.
- 35:45Speaker 2: Remember anything, standard denial, but.
- 35:47Speaker 1: They start presenting the specific dates, the specific locations. Meanwhile,
- 35:52another team is searching his farm and hidden in a
- 35:56cupboard in his electrical workshop, they find a blood stained
- 35:59hammer and his shoes.
- 36:01Speaker 2: The physical evidence is undeniable. The game is up. Tuchlin,
- 36:04recognizing this, begins to confess. But what is truly deserving
- 36:08is his demeanor. After the confession, specifically, during the crime
- 36:12scene re enactments.
- 36:13Speaker 1: The police take him back to the woods, to the bushes,
- 36:16to the exact spots where he destroyed these women's lives,
- 36:19to have him physically walk through what he did. And
- 36:22he isn't solemn. He isn't crying or asking him for forgiveness.
- 36:25He is excited.
- 36:26Speaker 2: He treats these solemn legal procedures as an opportunity to brag.
- 36:31He views the detectives and the legal apprentices as his audience.
- 36:35He is showing off what he used as his grand conquests.
- 36:38Speaker 1: He actually asks the police if they can get some
- 36:41of the younger girls, referring to the legal apprentices who
- 36:44are present to take notes, to come over and help
- 36:46him physically demonstrate the attacks, because it would turn him
- 36:49on to show it better.
- 36:50Speaker 2: It completely shatters any illusion that a confession equals remorse.
- 36:55He isn't confessing to unburden his soul. He is confessing
- 36:58to relive the power trick. It's just he wants to
- 37:00stand in the spot where he played god and force
- 37:03the authorities to listen to how smart and powerful he was.
- 37:06It is the final grotesque performance of a man who
- 37:09views other humans merely as props in his own dark theater.
- 37:13Speaker 1: The case goes to trial in May nineteen eighty five,
- 37:16and after being so eager to brag during the reenactments,
- 37:19he pulls a massive stunt in court. He suddenly pleads
- 37:22not guilty.
- 37:23Speaker 2: Of course he does.
- 37:24Speaker 1: He stands up and claims the whole thing is conspiracy.
- 37:27He says the militia forced him to confess by promising
- 37:29they would just put him in a psychiatric word for
- 37:31three years and then let him go.
- 37:33Speaker 2: It is a classic manipulation tactic, a desperate attempt to
- 37:36regain control of a narrative that is slipping away from him.
- 37:40But given the overwhelming physical evidence, the survivor testimonies, and
- 37:43the extreme detail of his own prior confessions, the jury
- 37:47easily sees through it.
- 37:49Speaker 1: In August nineteen eighty five, Paul Tushlin is found guilty
- 37:53of nine murders and eleven attempted murders. He is sentenced
- 37:56to death nearly twelve years after he first struck Danusia
- 37:59on how only night. On May twenty fifth, nineteen eighty seven.
- 38:02He is executed by hanging.
- 38:04Speaker 2: And even at the very end, he doesn't go quietly.
- 38:07Speaker 1: No, he fought his guards furiously on the way to
- 38:09the gallows.
- 38:10Speaker 2: Which is incredibly common with individuals of this psychological profile
- 38:15when all their manipulation fails, when the reality of their
- 38:18own death is imminent and inescapable, they resort to the
- 38:21only tool they ever really trusted, physical violence.
- 38:24Speaker 1: It's his baseline.
- 38:25Speaker 2: Fighting the guards isn't about escaping. It's a last desperate
- 38:29attempt to dictate the terms of his environment, to have
- 38:32a final vestige of power before the end.
- 38:35Speaker 1: It brings us right back to that chilling final exchange
- 38:38with the prosecutor. The prosecutor asks what would you do
- 38:41if released? And Chechlin looks at them and says, well,
- 38:44I'd probably go for another hunt. Absolute unrepentant evil.
- 38:48Speaker 2: It is the stark reality that some individuals simply cannot
- 38:51be rehabilitated. They're hardwiring, formed by trauma and solidified by
- 38:55years of unchecked violent action is permanent.
- 38:58Speaker 1: When we synthesize this entire journey, Tucklan's story is a
- 39:02terrifying intersection of multiple failures. It's a story of severe,
- 39:05untreated childhood trauma and toxic isolation forging a predator and.
- 39:09Speaker 2: The system that failed to see it.
- 39:11Speaker 1: It's also the story of a political system that was
- 39:14so distracted by its own ideology and survival that it
- 39:18failed to protect its most vulnerable citizens. It shows how
- 39:22the grand sweep of history revolutions communist regimes can obscure
- 39:26the darkest, most intimate crimes. Very true, and it shows
- 39:30how incredibly small, seemingly unrelated details like deciding to steal
- 39:35a hammer off the books, or the tragic comic choice
- 39:38to steal piglets and leave feces in a van, can
- 39:40ultimately change the course of an investigation and stop a monster.
- 39:43Speaker 2: It leaves us with something critical to consider, though, especially
- 39:46when we look at how the world has evolved since
- 39:48nineteen eighty three. What's that well, we spend a lot
- 39:51of time discussing how Tusslin relied on the physical isolation
- 39:54of rural Poland, the localized nature of analog police records,
- 39:57and the lack of communication across jurisdic to remain an
- 40:00anonymous shadow. The fog of Scarzoui was a physical manifestation
- 40:05of the informational fog he hid within.
- 40:08Speaker 1: Right and today that feels impossible. We live in a
- 40:11hyper connected digital world. Our physical movements are tracked endlessly
- 40:15by our phones, our purchases, and cameras everywhere. It feels
- 40:19like a serial killer couldn't possibly operate like that today.
- 40:22Speaker 2: But does modern technology actually make us safer from predators
- 40:25hiding in plain sight? Or does the sheer overwhelming, unfathomable
- 40:30volume of digital data we produce every single second create
- 40:34a brand new type of thick fog. Oh wow? Are
- 40:37we so blinded by the static of a billion data
- 40:40points that we're actually creating new, vast digital spaces for
- 40:44modern monsters to hide within, completely unseen until it's too late.
- 40:48Speaker 1: That is a thought that is going to stick with
- 40:49me for a long time. The fog didn't disappear. It
- 40:51is digitized. Thank you so much for joining us on
- 40:54this deep dive today. Keep asking questions, keep looking beneath
- 40:57the surface, and always be aware of the fog around you.
- 41:00We'll see you next time.