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Pants and Other Clothing That Could Go To Waste · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 87 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: So, we are still continuing on our normal routine of weekly podcast drops and for the foreseeable future that will continue, I suppose, but it does seem that we do have a lot going on with the holidays and related activities.
• 0:52
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think this is a busy time for everyone in the world and We are no exception to that.
• 1:00
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 1:01
  I Hate Talking: So, we still seem to find some time and during our spare time over the past few weeks, we have been doing some decluttering and that includes purging some clothing that we either no longer wear or that the kids have outgrownn and it's just amazing how much clothing the typical American.
• 1:29
  I Hate Talking: Will amass over the course of their lifetime because I don't think we're atypical per se, but we do have a lot of clothes it seems.
• 1:38
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 1:39
  I Hate Talking: And I mean, I have a lot of clothes also, but Is it fair, or am I allowed to say on here that when you look at our closet, 2/3 of it.
• 1:52
  I Hate Talking: Used to be yours, and then I had the other.
• 1:55
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, maybe, maybe.
• 1:58
  I Hate Talking: 3/5.
• 2:00
  I Hate Talking: People once in a while would talk about like, oh, you know, you have such a big closet, which we do.
• 2:06
  I Hate Talking: And especially at our old home, we did.
• 2:10
  I Hate Talking: That was a massive, like that could have been a bedroom.
• 2:12
  I Hate Talking: It was insane and people would comment on that and.
• 2:18
  I Hate Talking: Then I'm like, well, look, this part's mine.
• 2:21
  I Hate Talking: The rest of it is Adam's.
• 2:22
  I Hate Talking: You didn't fill it up, obviously.
• 2:24
  I Hate Talking: Well, we also have a lot of scout supplies as well as podcasting equipment in our closet.
• 2:30
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, this is a very multi-purpose room for sure.
• 2:34
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, so perhaps we'll talk more about that as the episode goes on, but that does bring us to our word or phrase of the episode, and that word is the word pants.
• 2:45
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 2:46
  I Hate Talking: And obviously that has been on our mind with the recent decluttering phase that we've spent some time on, specifically recently purging of clothing.
• 2:57
  I Hate Talking: But I suppose pants is a relatively well-known term that it is going to consist of the clothing worn on the lower half of the human body to cover your legs in separate pieces of fabric, typically called trousers that that is the definition of the word, but I guess we can check our favorite Oxford language dictionary.
• 3:23
  I Hate Talking: Because we skipped that last time and actually did see some additional clarification from our definition last time.
• 3:30
  I Hate Talking: So let's check the official definition of the word pants.
• 3:34
  I Hate Talking: OK, cool.
• 3:35
  I Hate Talking: So it's actually interesting to note that perhaps the Oxford Language Dictionary is not the best source for this particular definition because it actually has separate definitions for North American English versus the British.
• 3:51
  I Hate Talking: That, that's what I was about to say.
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  I Hate Talking: If it's Oxford, that would be Britain, right?
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  I Hate Talking: And they use the word trousers.
• 3:57
  I Hate Talking: Is that true?
• 3:58
  I Hate Talking: They would typically call those trousers and pants would actually refer to underpants or underwear, which is actually the etymology of the phrase ants in your pants, that the ants are not in the North American trousers, pants, but actually ants in your underwear if you use that phrase.
• 4:18
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 4:19
  I Hate Talking: So it defines the North American English term for pants as trousers or an outer garment covering each leg from waist to ankle.
• 4:29
  I Hate Talking: So then why did.
• 4:31
  I Hate Talking: North America, start calling it pants, if that means underwear.
• 4:38
  I Hate Talking: So it was an original clipping of the word pantaloons.
• 4:46
  I Hate Talking: So the first time that I guess that clipped and pantaloons became pants was in the 1830s and then therefore became the American term as the outer garment.
• 5:03
  I Hate Talking: Pantaloons is underwear, right, or no?
• 5:05
  I Hate Talking: So that is where I was going next and defining the word pantaloons and talking about the etymology of that particular word because that is The definition of the word pants, essentially trousers in North American English and underpants in British English.
• 5:24
  I Hate Talking: And it also can be used as slang in the United Kingdom for nonsense, rubbish or something bad.
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  I Hate Talking: So you could say that's pants, and that would mean like that's nonsense or rubbish or something bad.
• 5:40
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 5:41
  I Hate Talking: So maybe that'd be the next gen, whatever we're on word in America.
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  I Hate Talking: Maybe we can make that popular.
• 5:48
  I Hate Talking: The new the new 67.
• 5:51
  I Hate Talking: Well, 67 is pants.
• 5:52
  I Hate Talking: Because that's rubbish.
• 5:55
  I Hate Talking: Nonsense.
• 5:56
  I Hate Talking: Yes, there you go.
• 5:57
  I Hate Talking: So when were pants invented, right?
• 6:02
  I Hate Talking: Because there's like a whole, I've, is it true?
• 6:06
  I Hate Talking: Educate us.
• 6:07
  I Hate Talking: I've heard that like women didn't wear pants for.
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  I Hate Talking: Like in modern day, didn't wear pants until relatively recently.
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  I Hate Talking: They had to wear dresses or skirts.
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  I Hate Talking: And I've heard like all these conspiracies about the patriarchy and they didn't want us to carry pocket have pockets and all that.
• 6:26
  I Hate Talking: So is that all true?
• 6:27
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps that's not necessarily what I was thinking for this episode, but maybe we'll get there.
• 6:34
  I Hate Talking: So let's first look at the definition of pantaloon and where that came from.
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  I Hate Talking: So we've already covered that the word in the American English, pants comes from pantaloon and pantaloon came from French and before that Italian.
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  I Hate Talking: And that is defined in English as men's close fitting breeches fastened below the calf or at the foot.
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  I Hate Talking: It also can refer to women's long underpants that they would wear.
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  I Hate Talking: Basically as pants, so one leg in each of the particular.
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  I Hate Talking: Pieces of fabric that were then worn under the skirt or dress that you referred to, and this original term actually came from a character's name in an Italian comedy.
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  I Hate Talking: And that particular character was named Pantalone, and that part was played by a foolish old man that wore very tight fitting breeches.
• 7:43
  I Hate Talking: Or breeches in American English, I suppose.
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  I Hate Talking: And That particular character was named, like I said, Pantalone, so Pantalone.
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  I Hate Talking: Became in Italy associated with that particular style of garment.
• 8:01
  I Hate Talking: OK, it's like tight, yeah, I can picture it like.
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  I Hate Talking: Longer than underwear that we would call underwear.
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  I Hate Talking: But that really tight.
• 8:11
  I Hate Talking: Pants.
• 8:13
  I Hate Talking: That you wouldn't see like, but he wasn't probably supposed to show, walk around like that, right?
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  I Hate Talking: That wasn't culturally right.
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  I Hate Talking: That's part of the comedy of that particular character is that he was wearing these ill-fitting garments, which is interesting to note that then somewhere along the way, and based on my research, I couldn't find any particular.
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  I Hate Talking: Instances of anybody's idea on why this happened, but pants typically now are more loose fitting and cover your entire body from waist to ankle, whereas the original pant alone character wore tight fitting trousers or breeches or breeches that were from the waist down to only the calf and were very tight fitting.
• 9:01
  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: But there's like a whole cultural thing, like in Britain, right?
• 9:07
  I Hate Talking: I'm gonna butcher this because I don't remember the specifics.
• 9:11
  I Hate Talking: But like boys do not wear pants until they're a certain age.
• 9:16
  I Hate Talking: Even when it's cold out, they still wear, I think they call them trousers or whatnot, like they go to the calves.
• 9:22
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess in America, they would be referred to as like waiters or clam diggers where the The length of fabric on the leg of the quote unquote pants is shortened so they don't get them wet in water related activities like that.
• 9:41
  I Hate Talking: -- We call them wa -- waders, yes, or clam diggers.
• 9:45
  I Hate Talking: I've heard clam diggers, never waders.
• 9:48
  I Hate Talking: I grew up calling them high waters.
• 9:50
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 9:51
  I Hate Talking: -- Same -- idea, yeah.
• 9:52
  I Hate Talking: But what do they call it in England then?
• 9:55
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 9:56
  I Hate Talking: Short pants, is that right?
• 9:59
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 10:00
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
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  I Hate Talking: Let's check.
• 10:01
  I Hate Talking: -- That's what our -- kids call their pants.
• 10:03
  I Hate Talking: Which that's how the term shorts came about is that they were short pants and then the word pants got dropped from that and they just became shorts.
• 10:10
  I Hate Talking: I've told them multiple times that that you can just call them shorts.
• 10:15
  I Hate Talking: They have short sleeve shirts, long sleeve shirts, short pants, and lawn pants, and it makes sense.
• 10:23
  I Hate Talking: But I also tell them these are just called shorts, but they'll always still refer to them as short pants.
• 10:30
  I Hate Talking: So in Europe in general, they would call those caprice.
• 10:35
  I Hate Talking: Oh yeah, OK.
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  I Hate Talking: They're also Sometimes referred to as pedal pushers because I guess they would be better for biking or simply cropped trousers, and that's what they would call them in Europe.
• 10:49
  I Hate Talking: They also have some maybe perhaps archaic terms culottes, knickers, or slacks, which would fit the definition of what we're talking about with clam diggers where that particular piece of the fabric that covers the leg not being extended all the way down to the ankle.
• 11:07
  I Hate Talking: But caprice seems to be the most widely and generally accepted term for what we're talking about there.
• 11:15
  I Hate Talking: And you mentioned some of the cultural things about pants.
• 11:20
  I Hate Talking: So there is the phrase about when referring to people typically in a relationship on who wears the pants in the relationship.
• 11:31
  I Hate Talking: And then like you said, that is typically the masculine role that would claim that particular term.
• 11:36
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 11:37
  I Hate Talking: Usually if you hear she wears the pants in the relationship, that's not like a positive thing.
• 11:42
  I Hate Talking: That's saying like she's the boss, like bosses him around.
• 11:45
  I Hate Talking: Correct, yes.
• 11:47
  I Hate Talking: So I don't think there's any major conspiracy, but maybe I will have to do some more research on that because I personally have not heard that, that like pants were part of the patriarchy and like men kept pants from women for control purposes or something, right?
• 12:07
  I Hate Talking: So that's what I've heard from some people.
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  I Hate Talking: The theory goes, as far as I'm aware, it's because of pockets.
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  I Hate Talking: And so a man wears pants with pockets so he can keep his keys and wallet with him.
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  I Hate Talking: But a girl would wear a dress and she could not carry a wallet with her.
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  I Hate Talking: And so it was like less of an independence.
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  I Hate Talking: She had to have a purse with her or something like that if she needed.
• 12:35
  I Hate Talking: Money or anything.
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  I Hate Talking: But one thing I've told people recently, even a couple of days ago, I was telling someone.
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  I Hate Talking: If all possible, I only buy dresses and skirts that have pockets in them.
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  I Hate Talking: And it's really popular now.
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  I Hate Talking: It's definitely becoming the norm for dresses and skirts.
• 12:55
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
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  I Hate Talking: I have heard the conspiracy that women's pants are not the same as men's pants when it comes to pockets, that I guess typically women's pants will have much narrower or shallower pockets, so you can't carry keys and wallets.
• 13:16
  I Hate Talking: It's more like you could just carry a business card and that's about it.
• 13:19
  I Hate Talking: It's a conspiracy, so we have to carry a purse with us.
• 13:23
  I Hate Talking: But wouldn't that also benefit the companies that produce purses?
• 13:28
  I Hate Talking: Maybe so you think it's the first people that started this problem.
• 13:32
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think a lot of conspiracy theories come down to control, but also money.
• 13:38
  I Hate Talking: So if there's anybody that has a vested interest in a particular outcome.
• 13:43
  I Hate Talking: Just follow the money.
• 13:44
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I had a dress recently I bought.
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  I Hate Talking: And I tried it on.
• 13:50
  I Hate Talking: I bought it from Amazon.
• 13:51
  I Hate Talking: It came, I tried it on.
• 13:53
  I Hate Talking: I was like, Oh, I really like it.
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  I Hate Talking: If only it had pockets, and I put my hands on my hips and my hands slipped into the pockets, and then it was the perfect dress.
• 14:04
  I Hate Talking: I was so happy.
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  I Hate Talking: But I don't know why it took this long for people to figure out that you can put pockets in dresses also.
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  I Hate Talking: But I am a big fan of it.
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  I Hate Talking: And But yeah, so pants, my pants definitely like there's no way I could keep your wallet in my.
• 14:24
  I Hate Talking: Pants.
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  I Hate Talking: And also women's wallets, you know, you can use any wallet you want, right?
• 14:30
  I Hate Talking: There's no law, but traditionally, women's wallets are much longer.
• 14:35
  I Hate Talking: And thicker than men's.
• 14:38
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 14:38
  I Hate Talking: Well, there is a law though.
• 14:39
  I Hate Talking: Deuteronomy chapter 22 verse 5 says a woman shall not wear a man's garment or anything pertaining to a man.
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  I Hate Talking: So anyway, that is the particular historical context that most people seem to cite when it comes to why women were made to wear skirts and dresses and not allowed to wear pants.
• 15:04
  I Hate Talking: Which is odd because in biblical times, and I've actually heard this as sort of a rejection of that particular use of that Bible verse is that men and women back in Bible times all wore robes essentially.
• 15:20
  I Hate Talking: They're more like dresses than they were the pants we wear nowadays.
• 15:25
  I Hate Talking: Correct, they're gonna be more similar to what we would consider a dress.
• 15:29
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, once in a while I get flak and uh.
• 15:34
  I Hate Talking: casual way.
• 15:36
  I Hate Talking: I don't wanna make it sound all dramatic, but I wear dresses or skirts at least 50% of the time, maybe more.
• 15:45
  I Hate Talking: Definitely in the summer more.
• 15:46
  I Hate Talking: In the winter, I'll tend to wear pants more cause my legs get cold.
• 15:50
  I Hate Talking: But I think some people think it's a religious thing for me.
• 15:53
  I Hate Talking: And it's not, it's just a personal choice.
• 15:57
  I Hate Talking: I think they look better on me, and I think they're more comfortable.
• 16:01
  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
• 16:02
  I Hate Talking: And then I guess there's people in Europe like the Irish and Scottish that essentially wear skirts.
• 16:08
  I Hate Talking: They refer to them as kilts, gentlemen gentlemen, men, gentlemen.
• 16:13
  I Hate Talking: Would you, do you ever feel bad that you wish you had, because I can wear any day.
• 16:18
  I Hate Talking: I could wear a pair of pants or a skirt.
• 16:21
  I Hate Talking: And it's totally up to my, what I feel like that day, but you do not have that option.
• 16:28
  I Hate Talking: Do you ever feel slighted by that?
• 16:32
  I Hate Talking: No, I don't think so, but nor have I really thought about it.
• 16:36
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I think it's so culturally appropriate for men to only wear pants or capris or short pants or trousers or any of the other variety of words that we've encountered during our discussion so far that it has not crossed my mind.
• 16:52
  I Hate Talking: So you have definitely worn a dress at least twice since I've known you.
• 16:56
  I Hate Talking: Well, we can't leave our listeners hanging now, so you're gonna have to tell them.
• 17:02
  I Hate Talking: So before I tell why you wore it, was it more comfortable?
• 17:06
  I Hate Talking: Like, did you notice or you were just so self-conscious?
• 17:09
  I Hate Talking: I think I may recall as you're describing the particular instances of these things.
• 17:15
  I Hate Talking: But I feel like I wore at least athletic shorts underneath or something, so it wasn't even the full experience.
• 17:23
  I Hate Talking: Why?
• 17:24
  I Hate Talking: Because I'm a man and that's like not culturally appropriate for me to wear a dress.
• 17:30
  I Hate Talking: So I think in order to preserve my own internal comfort and decency that That I did not Do the full experience.
• 17:43
  I Hate Talking: You're worried you're gonna like walk by an air vent and it would fly up.
• 17:47
  I Hate Talking: No, it was no, purely internal.
• 17:49
  I Hate Talking: It was all in my mind, I'm sure.
• 17:51
  I Hate Talking: But it was my own internal decency and adherence to gender norms.
• 17:59
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 18:01
  I Hate Talking: Well, the reason why we won't leave y'all hanging the Adam Moore address twice was because The first day of summer vacation, we have a tradition with our family that we call it Yes Day.
• 18:14
  I Hate Talking: Comes from the movie we watched a couple of years back and have done it since.
• 18:20
  I Hate Talking: And we have parameters around yes day, like a certain amount of money, up to a certain amount of money, and you know, no, we can't buy any live animals or we can't do anything that hurts someone or is mean and that sort of thing.
• 18:39
  I Hate Talking: But other than that, we will say yes to whatever they want.
• 18:44
  I Hate Talking: It tends to be like this kid wants McDonald's, this kid wants Buffalo Wild Wings, this kid wants sushi, so we go to 3 places for lunch and it's that kind of thing and another thing they love to do is dress us up too, and they think it's so funny to.
• 19:03
  I Hate Talking: Dress Adam and I up in whatever they want.
• 19:06
  I Hate Talking: One time I wore like basically a ball gown type look, and then I had to go to Target.
• 19:12
  I Hate Talking: It was insane.
• 19:13
  I Hate Talking: Most of the time they put me in your clothes, which.
• 19:17
  I Hate Talking: I don't think I look good in, but I can wear them.
• 19:21
  I Hate Talking: But you, they almost always at least 2 years, they put you in my dresses and then thought that was so fun.
• 19:29
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, for sure, one of those times I wore shorts and I think the other time I even wore pants underneath the dress.
• 19:39
  I Hate Talking: So like, It was not that.
• 19:42
  I Hate Talking: Like I said, the full experience.
• 19:45
  I Hate Talking: So I don't plan on it.
• 19:48
  I Hate Talking: If anybody's wondering, not planning on it.
• 19:50
  I Hate Talking: I'm perfectly happy wearing pants and shorts and have no interest in.
• 19:57
  I Hate Talking: Determining if now maybe the only way that I would.
• 20:01
  I Hate Talking: Even entertain the idea as if it was again a particular.
• 20:08
  I Hate Talking: Acceptable social norm of wearing a kilt.
• 20:11
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 20:12
  I Hate Talking: Like if you're in a wedding for a buddy and he has all his groomsmen.
• 20:18
  I Hate Talking: You're in Scotland and he wants everyone to wear a kilt.
• 20:21
  I Hate Talking: Sure, absolutely.
• 20:22
  I Hate Talking: You do that.
• 20:23
  I Hate Talking: Would you wear something underneath it?
• 20:25
  I Hate Talking: Whatever the traditional garb, yeah, like you're supposed to.
• 20:28
  I Hate Talking: I think it's full commando, I guess so.
• 20:31
  I Hate Talking: What if we were on vacation?
• 20:35
  I Hate Talking: Would you like, say we went to Scotland for vacation.
• 20:39
  I Hate Talking: I guess I would not seek out the opportunity, but like if it presented itself and was there, -- I would be open to -- it.
• 20:48
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 20:48
  I Hate Talking: You were.
• 20:50
  I Hate Talking: Again, it's not a dress.
• 20:51
  I Hate Talking: It's another cultural thing, but one year we went to Hawaii and they chose you for some dance.
• 20:59
  I Hate Talking: And do you remember that they just put it up the -- clothing over -- your clothing I do remember that but that was.
• 21:05
  I Hate Talking: I don't even know what they call it, but it was definitely more kilt-ish style that you wore and danced in front of everyone.
• 21:14
  I Hate Talking: It was really fun.
• 21:14
  I Hate Talking: -- That's -- true.
• 21:15
  I Hate Talking: So, lots of interesting things to consider as it relates to culture and Gender roles and the things that are culturally.
• 21:28
  I Hate Talking: And socially acceptable.
• 21:30
  I Hate Talking: And also how that impacts the formation of words, even words as simple as pants.
• 21:38
  I Hate Talking: How many pairs of pants do you think?
• 21:42
  I Hate Talking: The average American has.
• 21:44
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, we can, I suppose, ask AI because that is something that I wanted to discuss before we conclude this episode is that there is a phrase that says, quote, clothing produced to clothe people two times over, end quote.
• 22:01
  I Hate Talking: And this particular phrase refers to a widely cited statistic in the sustainable fashion movement.
• 22:08
  I Hate Talking: That enough clothing has been produced already within the modern age to clothe humanity for the next 6 generations.
• 22:17
  I Hate Talking: Oh wow.
• 22:18
  I Hate Talking: And there's some other statistics that are interesting here that global clothing production has more than doubled between the years 2000 and 2014, that the average consumer buys 60% more clothing than two decades ago.
• 22:34
  I Hate Talking: But only keeps each item for half as long.
• 22:38
  I Hate Talking: And that a lot of this clothing does not get reused and an estimated 85% of these particular clothing and textiles end up in landfills or are incinerated.
• 22:52
  I Hate Talking: And then there's also another statistic that says 40% of clothing produced is never sold.
• 22:59
  I Hate Talking: So what happens to it it just goes to The trash dump, I guess, because of the different styles or maybe it's the wrong size or people don't like the colors.
• 23:10
  I Hate Talking: I think a lot of times this will get resold to perhaps places that have more of the end of life.
• 23:19
  I Hate Talking: Clothing and garments and things like that, but that's what this particular statistic is for.
• 23:26
  I Hate Talking: Sustainable clothing usage.
• 23:29
  I Hate Talking: Essentially they are citing that, that there needs to be better.
• 23:32
  I Hate Talking: People need to do better when it comes to clothing.
• 23:35
  I Hate Talking: And the purchase thereof and the use thereof in order to reduce waste, yeah.
• 23:41
  I Hate Talking: It all sounds, yeah, I I buy into that for sure.
• 23:46
  I Hate Talking: I like the idea of the time capsules.
• 23:49
  I Hate Talking: And that's kind of a popular thing nowadays.
• 23:53
  I Hate Talking: There's like uh staple clothing you're supposed to have, and then basically you don't need anything else, if you have those items, and because they're so versatile and you can wear it like, it looks like a lot of different outfits as you mix and match, but the whole concept is you have these few staple items, then you don't need anything else or much else.
• 24:14
  I Hate Talking: That's true, and according to AI, the average person in America, according to this AI overview, owns 15 pairs of pants.
• 24:25
  I Hate Talking: Wow.
• 24:27
  I Hate Talking: So that includes all types of pants.
• 24:29
  I Hate Talking: So that can be jeans, dress pants, but these are not shorts.
• 24:33
  I Hate Talking: These are full length pants.
• 24:35
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 24:35
  I Hate Talking: Are they all the same size?
• 24:36
  I Hate Talking: Because I have quite a few pair, but I, but they're also different sizes.
• 24:41
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 24:42
  I Hate Talking: This particular thing does not state that, so I guess that would be included in the average if people do have their skinny pants versus their comfy pants or whatever the case may be.
• 24:51
  I Hate Talking: The particular study that was done also indicates that.
• 24:55
  I Hate Talking: People said they only wear 4 of them regularly.
• 24:59
  I Hate Talking: I have 3 I have 3 pair of pants I wear.
• 25:04
  I Hate Talking: I have like more yoga-ish pants.
• 25:06
  I Hate Talking: And I have a nice pair of jeans, and then I have just like a nice everyday pair of pants.
• 25:12
  I Hate Talking: There you go, you're fit right in.
• 25:15
  I Hate Talking: But I also have other pants in my closet that.
• 25:18
  I Hate Talking: I keep saying one day I'll fit back into.
• 25:21
  I Hate Talking: TBD TBD.
• 25:24
  I Hate Talking: Another uh concept we did a couple years back, and maybe we can start it again in the new year or whatnot, but remember we flipped our hangers in our closet backwards.
• 25:40
  I Hate Talking: And then that whole concept is, when you wear something, you take it off the hanger, you wear it, and then you put the hanger on the right side.
• 25:50
  I Hate Talking: The traditional way you'd look at a coat hanger.
• 25:53
  I Hate Talking: And then in 6 months, you look and see how many.
• 25:58
  I Hate Talking: Items of clothing are still backwards, and that shows you you haven't worn it in that period of time and to get rid of it.
• 26:06
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, that may be a good exercise that we can do or maybe you, our listeners can endeavor to do in the new year.
• 26:15
  I Hate Talking: The new year's coming up.
• 26:16
  I Hate Talking: Everyone turn their clothes backwards.
• 26:18
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 26:18
  I Hate Talking: But then don't throw them away.
• 26:20
  I Hate Talking: What do you do to be sustainable?
• 26:23
  I Hate Talking: So, you could resell them.
• 26:27
  I Hate Talking: So there's a lot of different variety of outlets to do that.
• 26:29
  I Hate Talking: You could yard sale them, consign them to like a consignment shop, things of that nature.
• 26:35
  I Hate Talking: If you have like really fancy clothes, I guess you could list them on eBay or Facebook Marketplace or something like that.
• 26:41
  I Hate Talking: Or even if you have a particular group of clothes, you could sell those as one lot within an online listing.
• 26:50
  I Hate Talking: The thing that's probably the most simple and that we've taken advantage of is this donation.
• 26:55
  I Hate Talking: So there's a number of places that you could donate clothes, though that's also sort of a racket because some of the places that you donate clothes say right on the donation bin that it's a for-profit company, but I guess it's better than going in the garbage.
• 27:11
  I Hate Talking: I mean, at least somebody hopefully will get some use out of it and Somebody's making some money off of it, but at the same time, it's providing some people jobs.
• 27:21
  I Hate Talking: So I guess it's not all terrible, but there are some clothing resale capitalists that are taking advantage of people that are donating clothes, I suppose.
• 27:30
  I Hate Talking: Right, yeah.
• 27:31
  I Hate Talking: It is hard, because those are the easiest ones typically to drop off to.
• 27:36
  I Hate Talking: Like, I like the concept of like a shelter, especially for your clothes that uh you have purged a lot of, a lot of professional-ish clothing.
• 27:46
  I Hate Talking: That I think a lot of gentlemen would enjoy or be appreciative of, so they can get jobs or whatnot.
• 27:55
  I Hate Talking: And look professional at their careers.
• 27:58
  I Hate Talking: But those places, we don't have any necessarily super close to us, it's a drive to drop them off, which is probably worth it.
• 28:05
  I Hate Talking: But yeah, there's the closest place to drop off for us is for profit.
• 28:10
  I Hate Talking: So it's like, how far out of our way do we want to go do good, quote unquote.
• 28:16
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 28:18
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess my bottom line is that as long as it's not going in the trash, that even if it's somebody is making some money off of it.
• 28:25
  I Hate Talking: That at least it will hopefully be reused for a time.
• 28:30
  I Hate Talking: So perhaps you will take on the challenge of the reverse hanger clothing purge, or perhaps you will take a look at your average number of pants that you have within your own wardrobe.
• 28:45
  I Hate Talking: And if you do either of those things, you can always let us know in a comment or an email or a text message.
• 28:53
  I Hate Talking: And if you did enjoy this episode, do like, share and subscribe and somebody can learn all about pants.
• 28:59
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I learned about pants.
• 29:02
  I Hate Talking: I think the most interesting thing I learned was about the guy Pantaloon, Pantalone, Pantalone.
• 29:09
  I Hate Talking: That's fun.
• 29:11
  I Hate Talking: I like that.
• 29:12
  I Hate Talking: It reminds me of Pantone.
• 29:15
  I Hate Talking: Which aren't they the people that do the color of the year?
• 29:18
  I Hate Talking: I don't know any of that.
• 29:21
  I Hate Talking: Well, we did a Color of the Year episode a long time ago.
• 29:23
  I Hate Talking: I believe you and they have recently announced the color of the year for 2026.
• 29:30
  I Hate Talking: Oh, what is it?
• 29:31
  I Hate Talking: Well, you'll have to tune in next time and find out.
• 29:33
  I Hate Talking: All right, and I guess I'll go back and listen to that episode we did on it.
• 29:38
  I Hate Talking: We did and we talked about the ugly yellow sweater.
• 29:42
  I Hate Talking: Oh, my, my clothes that you hate.
• 29:45
  I Hate Talking: So it's all clothing and color related.
• 29:48
  I Hate Talking: We've come full circle, I guess so.
• 29:50
  I Hate Talking: So from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.