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Kieran Stanislaw Mace – Para-Normality · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and
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Speaker 1: the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
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Speaker 1: we will explore these topics and so much more with
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Speaker 1: fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to
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Speaker 1: Destination Unlimited. What happens when an out of body experience
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Speaker 1: as a child opens you to a world that both
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Speaker 1: frightens and fascinates you, while causing you to hide it
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Speaker 1: until adulthood. My guest this week on Destination Unlimited, Kieran
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Speaker 1: Stanislaw Mace, who calls himself a reluctant medium, dealt with
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Speaker 1: anxiety and fear until confronting this as an adult at
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Speaker 1: taking courses, reading many books, and practicing. He started with
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Speaker 1: plans for a podcast. He felt the need to finally
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Speaker 1: tell his story to overcome his anxiety, and instead it
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Speaker 1: came out in a book. The book became a path
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Speaker 1: of healing and an opportunity to show others it is
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Speaker 1: okay to talk about the paranormal. His website is Kmgraphic
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Speaker 1: Dot Design Slash, Paranormal Dash Prospectives, Dash Podcast, and he
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Speaker 1: joins me this week to share his book Paranormality, Normalizing
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Speaker 1: the Paranormal. Please join me in welcoming to Destination Unlimited,
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Speaker 1: Kieran Stanislaw Mace Stan Welcome to Destination Unlimited.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Victor, thank you very much for having.
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Speaker 1: Me, and thank you for allowing me to shorten your
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Speaker 1: name to Stan as I introduce you and also conduct
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Speaker 1: this interview to make it a little bit easier for me.
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Speaker 1: But what a beautiful name you have, so thank you.
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Speaker 2: Yep, bless you. My name's confused many Pep people, and
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Speaker 2: I use it for a good reason. It's all part
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Speaker 2: of the longest, longer story.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely so, Stan. What was your childhood and upbringing like
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Speaker 1: prior to the event that opened you to the realization
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Speaker 1: that there is mortal life beyond the five senses?
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Speaker 2: Well as far as I know, as a relatively normal child,
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Speaker 2: as you told by my accent or maybe not. I
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Speaker 2: come from Oxford, so that's where I grew up. I
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Speaker 2: have quite a multicultural family, so part of my family
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Speaker 2: is British, part of my family is Polish, and part
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Speaker 2: of my family is Sardinian. Hence why I have such
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Speaker 2: a confusing name. So I su to spend a lot
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Speaker 2: of time flying over to spend time with my family
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Speaker 2: in Sardinia, eating a lot of food, going crab fishing,
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Speaker 2: swimming in the sea, exploring with the locals for wildlife,
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Speaker 2: and just I just have a lot of fun there.
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Speaker 2: And also Oxford itself, just explore exploring the nooks and
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Speaker 2: the crannies of Oxford City. Over here, we tend to
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Speaker 2: call it the city of being spires because once you
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Speaker 2: see the landscape, you see the beautiful architecture of the city.
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Speaker 2: So I remember it being like a maze. Growing up,
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Speaker 2: I used to explore with my friends, and I'm very
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Speaker 2: lucky to have grown up there. So yeah, I had
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Speaker 2: a relatively normal life. Really, there wasn't anything physically different
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Speaker 2: about me. I just used to be a happy, go
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Speaker 2: lucky kid until the event happened.
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Speaker 1: And in your new book Paranormality Normalizing the Paranormal, you
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Speaker 1: share that an accident when you were five years old
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Speaker 1: changed everything. Please tell us what happened.
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Speaker 2: Yes, of course, just to bear in mind people like myself,
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Speaker 2: when we have these experiences, it does take a lot
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Speaker 2: of courage to be able to share it because you
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Speaker 2: have to relive these experiences. So I have to say
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Speaker 2: a lot of people who experience. These near death experiences
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Speaker 2: do have to go through a lot of PTSD like symptoms.
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Speaker 2: So like say, for anyone out there who's experienced these
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Speaker 2: kind of things, always speak about it. It's worth it.
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Speaker 2: It does help to educate other people. So but going
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Speaker 2: forward with that event, So, yeah, it was spring nineteen
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Speaker 2: ninety I believe, which is showing my age at the
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Speaker 2: moment on now forty. I was on the way to
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Speaker 2: my grandmother's house in Oxford and I was crossing the road.
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Speaker 2: It was a green light for pedestrians to cross and
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Speaker 2: red light for cast to stop. And when I go
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Speaker 2: through this experience, this memory, I tend to see it
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Speaker 2: as a video. So I'm seeing this playing a real time,
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Speaker 2: just to give you an idea of how these experiences
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Speaker 2: really do stick with you. So I remember a line
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Speaker 2: of vehicles being stopped to the right of me, and
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Speaker 2: my mother was just behind me, just to buy a
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Speaker 2: few steps. And the first thing I remember before this
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Speaker 2: journey started was a voice appearing in my right ear
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Speaker 2: and it said you should not be here. I can
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Speaker 2: hear it in my head now. It was a female voice,
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Speaker 2: and I've questioned at this point why I heard that.
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Speaker 2: Was that that situation meant to happen. Was somebody trying
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Speaker 2: to stop that situation happening? Could it be something else
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Speaker 2: beyond my understanding. So that's my first encounter with the
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Speaker 2: paranormal before it even began. As I crossed the road
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Speaker 2: after I heard that voice, suddenly everything went black. What
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Speaker 2: had happened was a vehicle shot through the red light
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Speaker 2: and dodged around a couple of cars. It's actually to
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Speaker 2: go straight through the crossing and hit me head on.
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Speaker 2: Thankfully narrowly missed my mother by just a few millimeters,
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Speaker 2: and I took the full brunt of the blow. And
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Speaker 2: without going into too much graphic detail for your listeners,
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Speaker 2: of course, marson quite a bad way. I remember when
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Speaker 2: I was hit by this car. Everything went black. I
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Speaker 2: remember being in this void, this infinitely black void, for
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Speaker 2: a moment. It's like suddenly someone turned the lights off
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Speaker 2: of reality and I was still stood there as if
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Speaker 2: the car hadn't hit me. I remember that specific memory. Actually,
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Speaker 2: as I began to realize actually a moment ago my
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Speaker 2: mother was there, going to think of her, I immediately
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Speaker 2: came to and I realized actually at that point I
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Speaker 2: was then laid on the ground on the other side
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Speaker 2: of the road with my legs in quite a mess
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Speaker 2: and a ring of people around me trying to help.
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Speaker 2: So thankfully the pedestrians nearby came to my aid straight away,
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Speaker 2: and obviously to console my mother, and also as well
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Speaker 2: as that, to apprehend the driver that shot through the crossing.
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Speaker 2: He tried to flee the scene. Thankfully, he was pulled
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Speaker 2: out of his vehicle by a very strong gentleman. Say
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Speaker 2: that least, but yeah. As I began to realize what
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Speaker 2: was happening and the panic then was settling in, I
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Speaker 2: remember feeling the most excruciating pain and and it's something
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Speaker 2: that I think. I have two lovely kids now, and
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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that they'd never have experienced this in
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Speaker 2: their life and hopefully never will. But for a child
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Speaker 2: to feel such an immense pain at such a young
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Speaker 2: age is inquantifiable. It's just awful, and it's a pain
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Speaker 2: that I will never forget. Maybe that was part of
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Speaker 2: my transformation. They called an ambulance over and there came
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Speaker 2: I believe it was roughly about fifteen to twenty minutes
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Speaker 2: when they came to me. Ox was quite an old city,
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Speaker 2: so to get an emergency vehicle through It's quite tricky
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Speaker 2: to maneuver so many the side streets, but yeah, eventually
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Speaker 2: it managed to get to me and shoot me over
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Speaker 2: to the Doron Racliffe Hospital, which is well in hospital
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Speaker 2: in Oxford City. I remember the Yeah, the journey itself
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Speaker 2: being tremendously painful. It's like my legs were made of jelly,
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Speaker 2: so every time the corner was sorry I turned a corner.
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Speaker 2: I remember my legs bending in awful directions. But at
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Speaker 2: the same time, I just didn't quite feel like I
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Speaker 2: was in my body. It's almost like I was just
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Speaker 2: partly in and partly out. At some point time seemed
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Speaker 2: to have progressed and I have like a blank in
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Speaker 2: my memory from that point. I do remember waking up
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Speaker 2: again or coming to in the emergency ward at the
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Speaker 2: Doron Racliffe hospit and being wheeled into the surgery room
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Speaker 2: with various bits and pieces stuck into me, and then
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Speaker 2: I remember blacking out again at that point. And this
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Speaker 2: is where it's my understanding. I went through a couple
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Speaker 2: of emergency services, excuse me, went through a couple of
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Speaker 2: emergency surgeries to stem the body's damage and just keep
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Speaker 2: me alive. Ultimately, and apparently in I was told that
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Speaker 2: the damage was terrible. It was close to a point
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Speaker 2: where they were expecting me to not survive. I remember
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Speaker 2: at some point almost almost like it was an immediate
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Speaker 2: transition from going into surgery being an absolute agony to
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Speaker 2: then waking up suddenly and I found that I was
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Speaker 2: stood in the hallway. It looked like a hospital hallway.
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Speaker 2: I didn't recognize this particular hallway, but what I did
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Speaker 2: recognize was the fact that my legs were working again.
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Speaker 2: The pain had completely gone. My mum wasn't there. She
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Speaker 2: was gone. So my first instinct was to look for
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Speaker 2: my mum. Because I was only young, that's just what
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Speaker 2: you would do. So I started to walk down the corridor,
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Speaker 2: and to the right of me, I saw an opening.
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Speaker 2: I think it was some kid's room. As I entered,
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Speaker 2: I saw a little kid on his bed with a
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Speaker 2: cast on. I was quite short then, so it's kind
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Speaker 2: of like me looking up at a bed with a
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Speaker 2: kid laid on it. And I waved at him to
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Speaker 2: get his attention, and no reaction, nothing at all, And
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Speaker 2: I thought that was strange. I almost felt a bit annoyed, really,
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Speaker 2: so I continued to walk down this corridor and I
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Speaker 2: saw a little girl in this room on the left,
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Speaker 2: and again she was there in bed, just playing with
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Speaker 2: her toys and minding her own business essentially, and I
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Speaker 2: was trying to get her attention too, and yeah, with
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Speaker 2: her no reaction, I continued walking and trying to find
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Speaker 2: where my mum was. And a doctor walked by me.
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Speaker 2: I remember his He had like a coat on. I
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Speaker 2: tried to grab it, his coat, and I couldn't physically
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Speaker 2: get purchased on it. I couldn't grab this material. And
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Speaker 2: saying with this nurse that walked by, I tried to get,
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Speaker 2: you know, to grab any item of clothing really, just
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Speaker 2: to kind of get their attention, and they kind of
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Speaker 2: just almost walked through me in a way.
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Speaker 1: See.
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Speaker 2: I continue to walk and walk, and it's a word.
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Speaker 2: I began to realize something didn't feel right with this reality.
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Speaker 2: And I can see it in my mind right now.
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Speaker 2: It was kind of like the reality in the way
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Speaker 2: that I know it now and U vector may and
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Speaker 2: of course know your reality, but something about it was
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Speaker 2: slightly off, Like it's like the objects that around me
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Speaker 2: had formed, but there was slightly translucent in some sort
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Speaker 2: of way alike they were almost made of solid light.
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Speaker 2: That's the best way I can describe it, I think.
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I felt like I was hyper.
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Speaker 2: I had this kind of hyper sensitivity to my surroundings.
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Speaker 2: It's like so bizarres, like I could perceive the molecules
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Speaker 2: that were around me. I feel I could feel everything,
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Speaker 2: like the texture of everything. And from that point I
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Speaker 2: began to realize, actually I knew the route of the hospital.
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Speaker 2: It's like I knew every last little molecule of this
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Speaker 2: hospital and where I needed to go. So I distinctively
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Speaker 2: kind of followed that route, and I went from room
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Speaker 2: to room, and I'm not sure where I went, Like
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Speaker 2: it felt like I went through a couple of floors maybe,
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Speaker 2: and it felt like I was a kid lost in time,
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Speaker 2: like I was in this liminal space in between life
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Speaker 2: and the next. Maybe you could say. Eventually I found
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Speaker 2: this room at the end of this hallway, and I
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Speaker 2: felt like I was drawn to it, as if gravity
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Speaker 2: was pulling me towards it. And I saw this glass
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Speaker 2: window on this internal door and it was partly open,
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Speaker 2: so I walked through it. And there was something very
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Speaker 2: strange about this room because to the right of me,
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Speaker 2: I saw all of these little holes on the wall,
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Speaker 2: and almost like in my child's imagination, it almost looked
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Speaker 2: like a beehive in a way. That's why I was
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Speaker 2: trying in the way I was trying to explain it
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Speaker 2: to myself because I didn't understand what that really was.
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Speaker 2: I saw doctor's coats and various medicinal items on this table,
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Speaker 2: and it kind of like this room was a processing
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Speaker 2: room of sorts. But what was so strange about this
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Speaker 2: was this is where I described encountering what a paradox
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Speaker 2: would be. The room was empty, yet at the same
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Speaker 2: time it felt full. And I've tried to explain it
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Speaker 2: the best way that I can on different interviews about this,
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Speaker 2: and that's the best way. I can simply say say,
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Speaker 2: it's like encountering nothing and everything all in one space.
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Speaker 2: And the way I observed it was it was almost
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Speaker 2: like time was folding in on itself in this room.
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Speaker 2: As I began to feel like there was a presence
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Speaker 2: there that was so vast, like it was almost like
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Speaker 2: I was meeting a giant in this tiny little space, giant,
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Speaker 2: a giant that I couldn't see. At that point, I
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Speaker 2: began to feel fear it's like I couldn't comprehend what
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Speaker 2: was soon approaching. And as I began to turn away,
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Speaker 2: this gravitational shift pulled me straight in and it was
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Speaker 2: like I can't think of references to like Alice in
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Speaker 2: Wonderland in a way, and I know it's like a
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Speaker 2: really terrible reference, but it's like I was pulled into
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Speaker 2: this other place and the speed increased to such a
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Speaker 2: degree it was like the way of describing. And again
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Speaker 2: this shows my age really a VHS tape speeding up
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Speaker 2: more and more rapidly as it seems to distort time
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Speaker 2: as time in increases in speed, and through this transition,
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Speaker 2: I began to be shown different places like planets and
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Speaker 2: people and objects, and it's almost like I connected to
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Speaker 2: this matrix, a mainframe of sorts where it's almost like
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Speaker 2: a web of the universe really, where everything felt interconnected,
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Speaker 2: like all information was available to me. And I was
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Speaker 2: so young then in that body that I couldn't comprehend
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Speaker 2: the idea of the infinite and to me it felt
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Speaker 2: like I was being overloaded. Like imagine a high voltage
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Speaker 2: charge being set to sent to a socket that's maybe
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Speaker 2: a lower voltage that can't quite handle that load, it
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Speaker 2: kind of fuses out. It like overloads. It heats, it
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Speaker 2: burns up. That's what I felt like. I felt like
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Speaker 2: I had a different kind of pain there where the
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Speaker 2: pain of this informational download. And at times I was
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Speaker 2: thrown out of this tremendous speed up where I ended
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Speaker 2: up in different locations, and one in particular stood with me.
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Speaker 2: And I actually found that I was flying was like Superman.
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Speaker 2: I suppose I was flying and what I could see
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Speaker 2: was the dreaming spies of Oxford. So I began to
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Speaker 2: recognize a bit of a home. Okay, well that I
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Speaker 2: recognized that below me was this train yard and this
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Speaker 2: bridge going over the train yard, and I remember just
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Speaker 2: memorizing that as well, like again, like I could see
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Speaker 2: every single molecule of this environment orbing this information. And
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Speaker 2: I saw these steps go down to another bridge over
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Speaker 2: this big lake. Initially, at first I thought it was
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Speaker 2: some sort of like an alleyway, until I realized actually
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Speaker 2: my vision was expanding. I could see it was this
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Speaker 2: place on water, and as I was flying, I gradually
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Speaker 2: landed on this walkway over this little lake, and I
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Speaker 2: noticed that there were some people on the walkway, and
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Speaker 2: for the first time, I felt like they could see me,
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Speaker 2: because as I landed, it's like there was two teenagers.
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Speaker 2: I remember one was in like a track suit wearing trainers,
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Speaker 2: and I think they were just hanging out or maybe
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Speaker 2: having a few drinks. I don't even know really, but
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Speaker 2: at the moment I landed, it's like this guy jumped
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Speaker 2: out of his skin. He immediately turned to see me,
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Speaker 2: and the moment we met eyes, I was thrust back
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Speaker 2: towards the hospital. It's like I was just slurped up.
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Speaker 2: I suppose, just immediately catapulted at ridiculous speed back to
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Speaker 2: where I was encountering this sanity. And that's where I
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Speaker 2: continued with this further down load of information, and it
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Speaker 2: just got faster and faster, and it's a speed that
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Speaker 2: I can't even quantify at this point, I just can't
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Speaker 2: do it. And it was frightening because it doesn't necessarily
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Speaker 2: mean what I encountered was evil, bad, but it was
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Speaker 2: at such a higher vibration my natural response to it
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Speaker 2: was fear. It's like how I would imagine maybe an
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Speaker 2: ant would react to seeing a human stood in front
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Speaker 2: of it kind of thing. It's a society that you
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Speaker 2: can't quite quantify. But anyway, I remember screaming out for
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Speaker 2: my mum because it became so much that I felt
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Speaker 2: like I was going to be burning up. Essentially. I
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Speaker 2: then actually woke up in my body, and I realized
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Speaker 2: it must have been a good couple of days or so,
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Speaker 2: but I will wake up. And I was in shock
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Speaker 2: at that point because I thought I was awake just then.
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Speaker 2: But then I woke up. That's how vivid this experience was.
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Speaker 2: And as I looked around, I remember saying my legs
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Speaker 2: were in casts. One of my legs was suspended up
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Speaker 2: with these wires, and both my legs had these metal
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Speaker 2: pins going through the bone to of course wind the
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Speaker 2: bone together. My arms were in casts. It was various
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Speaker 2: different parts of my body were stitched up, covered in
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Speaker 2: various different things. I had very different you know, hydration
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Speaker 2: those hydration banks you get to hospitals, that kind of
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Speaker 2: things going in and out. Basically, I physically couldn't have moved,
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Speaker 2: So I immediately, in my little brain back then, just
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Speaker 2: assumed it was a dream. That was the best way
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Speaker 2: I can sit with this knowledge that, Okay, it was
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Speaker 2: a dream. I'll tell myself it was a dream. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: the weeks went by and I went through variou different treatments,
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Speaker 2: and those weeks were painful. They still hurt so much.
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Speaker 2: But the interesting thing was after my return, I realized
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Speaker 2: that my brain worked very differently. I'm not sure if
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Speaker 2: you noticed. Now I do speak very quickly, and I've
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Speaker 2: had to train how to speak properly normally. In my
17:50
Speaker 2: speaking rate is much faster because the spray brain that
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Speaker 2: was given on my return, like it's the frequency is
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Speaker 2: so much that my mouth usually can't catch up. So
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Speaker 2: it's a really weird things. So that idea has come
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Speaker 2: to me really quickly. And I noticed after this experience
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Speaker 2: I became highly creative. It's not quite acquired savant syndrome,
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Speaker 2: not to that that level, though, but I just found
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Speaker 2: that I immediately knew how to do things. And one
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Speaker 2: thing I knew how to do then was to draw.
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Speaker 2: And I asked for a nurse for some pens and paper,
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Speaker 2: and I think I only had one arm that I
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Speaker 2: can actually move at the time, so they've very precariously
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Speaker 2: balanced all these things on me just allow me to doodle.
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Speaker 2: And I remember the first time I touched pen to
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Speaker 2: paper that it's almost like the more I drew the
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Speaker 2: less it hurt. So I realized the more I drew,
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Speaker 2: the more I could see myself getting through this awful
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Speaker 2: situation and hopefully surviving. So yeah, I fear furiously drew
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Speaker 2: over many weeks as I gradually got better, and that
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Speaker 2: was my major distraction. And yeah, I do remember it
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Speaker 2: eventually getting in trouble because I asked the nurses, is
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Speaker 2: it okay if I can maybe do a mural on
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Speaker 2: the window and you know there's a little thank you
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Speaker 2: all are well done? Said yeah, sure, let's do that.
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Speaker 2: Let's get you some paints for this window, and unfortunately
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Speaker 2: they found out it was permanent paint and they got
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Speaker 2: a lot of it in a lot of trouble with
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Speaker 2: their boss at the time to remember. But anyway, so
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Speaker 2: after that experience, yeah, I mean that was the weeks
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Speaker 2: went by, I got better and better, and this is
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Speaker 2: the first time where I met this entity that eventually
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Speaker 2: followed me back home and essentially continued the story that
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Speaker 2: I tell within paranormality. So this was I believe it
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Speaker 2: was the last few weeks in the hospital. I was
19:29
Speaker 2: laid in bed one night and something fell off in
19:32
Speaker 2: a similar way to the way it felt when I
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Speaker 2: met this entity out there and the beyond gravity pulled
19:37
Speaker 2: down in my stomach. It didn't feel right. I felt
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Speaker 2: like my head was physically manually turned, like I couldn't
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Speaker 2: turn away. And this was the middle of the night.
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Speaker 2: The other kids were asleep. To the right of me,
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Speaker 2: I could see the nurse's station and then doing paid
19:51
Speaker 2: to work with a little light on, and I knew
19:55
Speaker 2: that there was something at the end of my bed,
19:57
Speaker 2: and is this foreboding feeling like I did not want
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Speaker 2: to see it, but I had no choice to look
20:03
Speaker 2: at it. There was something at the end of my bed,
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Speaker 2: and I remember seeing the top of the head very
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Speaker 2: dark with gnarly's skin and two hands over the end
20:12
Speaker 2: of the protection bar at the end of this hospital bed.
20:14
Speaker 2: And I remember the hands curling over his head very slowly,
20:17
Speaker 2: rising just enough so you could see up to where
20:20
Speaker 2: its chin was and part of its search shoulders, and
20:23
Speaker 2: it stopped at that point. I remember having these two
20:26
Speaker 2: piercing white eyes almost coming out of the dark, and
20:31
Speaker 2: its pupils being very very large as well. It was
20:33
Speaker 2: almost like I had large eyes than me even and
20:37
Speaker 2: it just looked at me. There's nothing I could do.
20:40
Speaker 2: All I wanted to do was scream because I didn't
20:42
Speaker 2: know what this thing was. You know, some people could
20:44
Speaker 2: say this was sleep paralysis, and there's a reason why
20:48
Speaker 2: I always say this is not the sleep paralysis, as
20:50
Speaker 2: I'll tell the story of course. So, yeah, this thing
20:53
Speaker 2: seemed to focus on me, and I felt like it
20:55
Speaker 2: was I was being scanned in a way, like it
20:57
Speaker 2: had paid attention to me. It paid an interest in me,
21:01
Speaker 2: and I do believe it was an entity separate from
21:03
Speaker 2: the entity I met there. You know, I call it
21:05
Speaker 2: the Man at the Edge of Time basically, then the
21:07
Speaker 2: man that showed me everything. Essentially, this thing I feel
21:10
Speaker 2: was separate to this. People could say it maybe was
21:13
Speaker 2: an entity that maybe gathered or grew in the area
21:16
Speaker 2: that I visited, and I revealed that shortly. Yeah, so
21:20
Speaker 2: this thing once it let me go. It felt like
21:23
Speaker 2: this happened for almost twenty minutes. In reality, most likely
21:26
Speaker 2: it was a minute or two where it just it
21:29
Speaker 2: did its thing. Then I remember fainting. I do remember
21:33
Speaker 2: the next day after I encountered this entity, just feeling
21:36
Speaker 2: like I got to get out of here, and now
21:38
Speaker 2: I've had enough of this hospital, Like, get me out
21:40
Speaker 2: as fast as you can. So I fully focused on
21:43
Speaker 2: getting better, doing everything the nurses said, and eventually I
21:45
Speaker 2: was discharged, and I was really grateful. The strange thing is,
21:51
Speaker 2: this is where reality began to fully align with this
21:55
Speaker 2: near death experience. So just before I left, the nurse
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Speaker 2: offered a little what's a celebration, like a tour of
22:03
Speaker 2: the hospital. She said that, hey, I was called Kieran
22:06
Speaker 2: back then, anyway, my original name, Kreen said Hey, here,
22:08
Speaker 2: and you've been doing doing really well. Would you like
22:11
Speaker 2: a little tour of the hospital, you know, would you
22:13
Speaker 2: like to jump in this wheelchair and I will have
22:15
Speaker 2: a little joy ride, so to speak. So yeah, I
22:19
Speaker 2: jumped in this chair and she began to wheel me.
22:22
Speaker 2: And that's where I saw reality begin to align with
22:26
Speaker 2: this so called dream that I had. As she wheeled
22:29
Speaker 2: me along the corridor, I saw to the right to
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Speaker 2: me this room and there he was the kid that
22:34
Speaker 2: I waved to in this dream. I waved at him
22:36
Speaker 2: and he waved back. In my mind, then I thought,
22:39
Speaker 2: why didn't you wave to me yesterday? I was almost
22:40
Speaker 2: kind of annoyed at that point. So she wheeled me further.
22:45
Speaker 2: Onto my left was the little girl there wearing the
22:48
Speaker 2: same clothes as well. Waved at her. She waved back,
22:52
Speaker 2: and it just began to spook me that I knew
22:55
Speaker 2: this place, but I knew in reality this hallway, the
22:58
Speaker 2: corridor was the first time I'd being there physically in person,
23:02
Speaker 2: which is really bizarre. So she continued to take me along,
23:05
Speaker 2: and I then said to her, can you turn left here?
23:07
Speaker 2: Can you turn right here? Can you follow this corridor?
23:10
Speaker 2: I began to almost direct her where to go, and yeah,
23:14
Speaker 2: I actually directed her towards the lift right randomly, and
23:16
Speaker 2: she took me and down the sorry, the elevator took
23:19
Speaker 2: me down like a couple of floors, and explored further,
23:22
Speaker 2: and it was quite a big pediatric ward at the time,
23:24
Speaker 2: I do remember, and I remember if her expression chaining
23:29
Speaker 2: to her being a bit confused, maybe like how did
23:32
Speaker 2: this little kid know where to go? The weird thing was,
23:36
Speaker 2: I eventually came to an area where it was more
23:38
Speaker 2: of a secure section, so she couldn't take me further
23:41
Speaker 2: because there was a security gate and vary different things
23:43
Speaker 2: he had to go through to get to this section.
23:44
Speaker 2: And there's a reason why through the window itself, I
23:49
Speaker 2: could just about see the door in this so called
23:52
Speaker 2: dream where I met this entity and there it was.
23:58
Speaker 2: The door door was opened. There was a doctor and
24:00
Speaker 2: doing something I'm not really sure what, and I saw
24:02
Speaker 2: these holes in the wall and there were ultimately these
24:05
Speaker 2: round circular doors with metal, and I saw the doctor's
24:10
Speaker 2: coat and exactly the place that I saw it, the
24:12
Speaker 2: various medicinale equipment on these little shelves in there, like
24:15
Speaker 2: was exactly the room that I saw. I later found
24:18
Speaker 2: out years later after researching that exact room, that was
24:20
Speaker 2: the morgue. And yeah, sorry, guys, let me to make
24:24
Speaker 2: it scary, but it seems to be I ended up
24:27
Speaker 2: in the morgue outside of my body. And either way,
24:31
Speaker 2: like at the time, as a kid, I didn't know
24:33
Speaker 2: what a mog was. Either way, I knew that this
24:35
Speaker 2: dream aligned with reality and that was my yes, the
24:40
Speaker 2: fair first time experiencing what psychologists called ontological shock, where
24:45
Speaker 2: ultimately it's like, imagine your reality completely disassembling. Everything that
24:51
Speaker 2: you knew falls apart in that moment on all that's
24:53
Speaker 2: left is the infinite, the infinite non understanding I suppose
24:58
Speaker 2: of the vastness of the universe. And that's a feeling
25:01
Speaker 2: that's really hard to explain. That's the best I can do,
25:04
Speaker 2: really and simply. But I just started screaming, and they're like,
25:07
Speaker 2: that's a little kid like you could say because of
25:10
Speaker 2: what's happened, like the psychological shock maybe hit me at
25:12
Speaker 2: that time, And I completely get that that makes sense.
25:15
Speaker 2: But I began to realize that that scary thing that
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Speaker 2: I saw in that dream was a real thing. And
25:20
Speaker 2: that was the scariest thing that I could imagine, that
25:22
Speaker 2: there was this infinite, vast entity out there. And I
25:26
Speaker 2: don't know if it could have been God or a God,
25:28
Speaker 2: could have been death itself, could it have been just
25:32
Speaker 2: simply a higher, more powerful entity out there and the beyond.
25:34
Speaker 2: But either way, it seemed to gift me with a
25:36
Speaker 2: number of things, but also offer me this download. And
25:42
Speaker 2: what I've been doing over the years is kind of
25:43
Speaker 2: unpacking this download. And it's taking a long time to
25:46
Speaker 2: fully understand it though. But one part of it I
25:49
Speaker 2: did learn is it's almost specifically these words it said,
25:53
Speaker 2: there is no me and I, there's are only we
25:55
Speaker 2: in us. Because the way it connected me to this reality,
26:00
Speaker 2: it was almost trying to show me like we are
26:01
Speaker 2: all connected in somewhere form. When you're in this life,
26:04
Speaker 2: you're on your singular journey collecting data. But really, when
26:09
Speaker 2: you connect with me, you connect to the source, and
26:11
Speaker 2: you know we aren't we you know we are everyone
26:14
Speaker 2: we are. You know, we are all connected. So in
26:17
Speaker 2: a way it was quite frightening and hard to quantify.
26:19
Speaker 2: As an adult now it's almost humbling and quite beautiful
26:22
Speaker 2: as well, because I realized that there are more similarity
26:25
Speaker 2: similarities in our experiences regardless of what race or religion
26:28
Speaker 2: that you have. We were all part of a connected
26:30
Speaker 2: whole learning from each other. But yeah, so the last
26:33
Speaker 2: part of this where it also connected with reality. So
26:37
Speaker 2: I eventually left hospital. Was trying to just live a
26:40
Speaker 2: normal life as a kid, and I had PTSD and
26:43
Speaker 2: all sorts of aches and pains as I spent years
26:46
Speaker 2: trying to heal, trying to you know, learn how to
26:48
Speaker 2: walk properly again, and yeah, so many things going against me.
26:52
Speaker 2: But I was just trying to just be a normal kid.
26:54
Speaker 2: And I had a really good friend back in the
26:56
Speaker 2: day and we justs to kind of hang out in
26:58
Speaker 2: the city sometimes and he said it to me, Oh, hey, Kiar,
27:01
Speaker 2: and I really want to go swimming today. There's there's
27:05
Speaker 2: some pools we can go to called Hinksey Pools, which
27:07
Speaker 2: is still open today. It's great place.
27:10
Speaker 1: He said.
27:11
Speaker 2: Actually, like the last few times we've been into Oxford,
27:13
Speaker 2: like the traffic's been so bad, and like, how about
27:15
Speaker 2: if I asked my mum to give us a lift
27:17
Speaker 2: to the outskirts of the city. I know its secret
27:19
Speaker 2: way in. I thought, okay, that's that's interesting, and so yeah,
27:23
Speaker 2: so she gave us a lyft very kindly, and it
27:25
Speaker 2: took us to a place I believe it's called like
27:27
Speaker 2: South Hinksy or something. He says. Actually, if you follow me,
27:30
Speaker 2: there's there's a walkway that takes you straight to the
27:33
Speaker 2: center without all the traffic, and it's what I understand
27:36
Speaker 2: the locals call the Devil's Backbone. It has like a nickname. Anyway,
27:39
Speaker 2: it's not literally called that, but although I kind of
27:42
Speaker 2: feel like it's very fitting for this kind of story.
27:45
Speaker 2: So yeah, on the outskirts of the city, there are
27:47
Speaker 2: these winding paths that kind of go through what will
27:49
Speaker 2: be like the swampy areas, and so yeah, I followed him,
27:53
Speaker 2: not really thinking too much. Then I encountered these steps
27:57
Speaker 2: and I thought, okay, this is interesting. So I walked
27:59
Speaker 2: up these concretes steps, and they kind of seemed to
28:01
Speaker 2: go into the sky because they were going so high.
28:04
Speaker 2: Once I got to the top, that's where I began
28:06
Speaker 2: to see the start of this place that I flew
28:08
Speaker 2: to in this experience. I looked to the left and
28:12
Speaker 2: right of me. Yep, that's the train yard that I
28:14
Speaker 2: saw when I flew over and landed. As I walked
28:17
Speaker 2: further towards the end, had that foreboding feeling again. It's
28:20
Speaker 2: like I know what's coming. There's something coming, and I
28:22
Speaker 2: don't want to almost face it, really, But either way,
28:26
Speaker 2: I followed my friend because this was the end of
28:28
Speaker 2: this journey and there it was the steps that led
28:30
Speaker 2: down went to this bridge that was over this lake,
28:35
Speaker 2: and there I could see the Dreaming spires. That's exactly
28:39
Speaker 2: the position I landed when I was in this experience
28:42
Speaker 2: where I met those I'm assuming they're teenagers anyway, but
28:45
Speaker 2: either way, I made them jump in this out of
28:47
Speaker 2: body experience, and again that's where reality it was unmade
28:51
Speaker 2: for me again. I thought I went maybe escape for
28:53
Speaker 2: at least a few years, trying to be a normal kid,
28:55
Speaker 2: and that's where it hit me once again that I
28:57
Speaker 2: actually existed. Without my body. And that's where I started
29:01
Speaker 2: to screaming again, like my poor friend, like bless, and
29:03
Speaker 2: I had no idea what was going on, and thinking
29:04
Speaker 2: like you should be happy, like we've been going swimming.
29:06
Speaker 2: But to me, it's like again I realized that something
29:10
Speaker 2: didn't compute, like I existed without my body, so my
29:13
Speaker 2: consciousness it isn't in the vessel that I'm currently in.
29:18
Speaker 2: That just broke my mind again. And he eventually calmed
29:21
Speaker 2: me down, and I had to kind of go and
29:22
Speaker 2: get a nice drink of cold water, I think, just
29:24
Speaker 2: to kind of bring myself together. And it's that shock
29:28
Speaker 2: and that realization that I had to keep to myself
29:30
Speaker 2: for years because I couldn't begin to explain it to
29:33
Speaker 2: my mum at the time, And I mean, what could
29:37
Speaker 2: you say at that age, I didn't even have the
29:38
Speaker 2: vocabulary to explain that kind of a thing. I kept
29:42
Speaker 2: that in myself for many years, and when I was younger,
29:45
Speaker 2: I was raised as Catholic. And the interesting thing is
29:48
Speaker 2: it's experienced. This is nothing against anybody religious or course so,
29:51
Speaker 2: because everybody has every right to believe in what they
29:53
Speaker 2: want to believe anyway, but this changed my beliefs I
29:56
Speaker 2: was told about worshiping certain deities, certain representations of what
30:02
Speaker 2: they know their God is, and I realized that there's
30:05
Speaker 2: something else out there. And it doesn't necessarily mean that
30:08
Speaker 2: those things don't exist, but it means to me that
30:10
Speaker 2: they're not the only ones. There are other things out there,
30:13
Speaker 2: very powerful things. Me going back to church like I
30:17
Speaker 2: couldn't connect with it anymore, Like we had all these
30:19
Speaker 2: beautiful priests telling these lovely sermons and the people are
30:22
Speaker 2: going there being so happy. I do remember spending those
30:24
Speaker 2: years going back to church and Sunday School thinking I
30:28
Speaker 2: feel fake. I feel like I'm bad or evil because
30:30
Speaker 2: I experienced something that can't be possible. So yeah, I
30:35
Speaker 2: do kind of regret not maybe talking about it sooner,
30:38
Speaker 2: But as an adult now I've began to face those
30:41
Speaker 2: memories and what also happened for many years after that's
30:44
Speaker 2: that experience, And of course write the story paranormality, normalizing
30:49
Speaker 2: the paranormal, because I do believe educating other people about
30:52
Speaker 2: these experiences that happened to let average jhow's like myself,
30:55
Speaker 2: Like I'm not anything special, yet this most extraordinary thing
31:00
Speaker 2: happened to me. I broke mind iss any of reality,
31:03
Speaker 2: and I hope kind of writing this book will help
31:05
Speaker 2: to overcome the fear of the paranormal, because it's not
31:08
Speaker 2: as scary as it seems, despite the story. Or so,
31:11
Speaker 2: when you overcome the fear, you began to you begin
31:13
Speaker 2: to open yourself up to new comparables that may help
31:15
Speaker 2: you evolve yourself as a person. So that's my that's
31:19
Speaker 2: my whole spiel really is the fact that, Yeah, ultimately
31:21
Speaker 2: I discovered what's on the other side. Consciousness isn't localized.
31:25
Speaker 2: I do believe like I have a theory at the
31:27
Speaker 2: moment that consciousness could be. It's almost like we're radios.
31:30
Speaker 2: We're walking radios, we're receiving consciousness, and when that radio
31:34
Speaker 2: is maybe temporarily switched off, your consciousness kind of go
31:37
Speaker 2: go on a walk about, I suppose, and explore as
31:39
Speaker 2: as and where it needs to.
31:41
Speaker 1: My guest is Kieran Stanislav Mace. His book is entitled Paranormality,
31:46
Speaker 1: Normalizing the Paranormal. Stan please share with our listeners where
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Speaker 1: they can get your book and find out more about
31:52
Speaker 1: you and your amazing story.
31:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, my book is actually available in a few days
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32:09
Speaker 2: copies as well. And I just hope that this little
32:14
Speaker 2: invitation to your maybe your own adventure, this, hopefully, this
32:18
Speaker 2: evidence of the paranormal might spark your curiosity to learn
32:22
Speaker 2: more about the unknown. And I do say for anyone,
32:24
Speaker 2: that's for skeptics, believers, and experiences, because there are the
32:27
Speaker 2: three states, experiences, sorry excuse me, a believers and non believers. Ultimately,
32:32
Speaker 2: skeptics are within the same boat because they're making decisions
32:36
Speaker 2: based upon a lack of evidence ultimately, and experiences, fortunately,
32:40
Speaker 2: experiences like myself have no choice but to accept those things.
32:44
Speaker 2: Either way, everybody's welcome because it's all about teaching each
32:47
Speaker 2: other and finding that common ground and overcoming that fear
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Speaker 2: of knowing the unknown.
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited, my guest Kieran Stanislaw Mace. His
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Speaker 1: book is entitled Paranormality Normalizing the Paranormal stan One of
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Speaker 1: the recurring themes that you share in your book is
35:15
Speaker 1: complete strangers telling you their stories and you offering both
35:19
Speaker 1: listening and kindness. Do you consider yourself to be an
35:23
Speaker 1: EmPATH through this experience?
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good question. I very much try to
35:30
Speaker 2: suppress what I was given For years after many because
35:35
Speaker 2: the culture I was brought up in wasn't that understanding
35:39
Speaker 2: of people like us. I mean a long time ago,
35:42
Speaker 2: we used to be burnt at the stake, but thankfully
35:44
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen now. But either way, we get vindicated
35:47
Speaker 2: in our society. So I would describe myself as a medium.
35:51
Speaker 2: I find it very hard to say that, and I
35:53
Speaker 2: do tend to make the joke I'm a small not
35:54
Speaker 2: a medium, because I still feel like I'm beginning to
35:57
Speaker 2: get to know what this thing is, still at the
35:59
Speaker 2: early stage of really accepting it fully. Yes, since that,
36:03
Speaker 2: I've had these very unusual experiences that I can't explain.
36:07
Speaker 2: It's like there are meetings with strangers that have helped me,
36:10
Speaker 2: but also people have come to me and just told
36:12
Speaker 2: me their life story out of the blue. And I
36:14
Speaker 2: don't know whether it is that I look like the
36:16
Speaker 2: kind of person that you can trust and yeah, maybe
36:18
Speaker 2: another friendly face. I just don't know. But I've almost
36:21
Speaker 2: gotten used to just simply just sitting there and listening
36:24
Speaker 2: to people. And I feel very privileged to be in
36:26
Speaker 2: those situations too, for somebody to trust me and telling
36:29
Speaker 2: their story. I've had men come to me and tell
36:31
Speaker 2: me about the fact that they're divorcing their wife they've
36:34
Speaker 2: discovered a few days ago, tell me the life story,
36:37
Speaker 2: what what led to that, and then just simply walk off.
36:40
Speaker 2: Sometimes they do walk off looking a bit embarrassed. It's
36:43
Speaker 2: almost like, why on earth did I just tell this
36:45
Speaker 2: to this guy. I completely understand that I will be embarrassed,
36:48
Speaker 2: but I do hope it helps them in some way
36:50
Speaker 2: of form. But sometimes I have these little knowings. Ac
36:54
Speaker 2: should I have two examples for you. Do you have
36:56
Speaker 2: enough time? Victor?
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Speaker 1: Go ahead?
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Speaker 2: So I have basically like I do have happy instances
37:01
Speaker 2: of what I do, and I don't do this out
37:04
Speaker 2: of choice. It just happens. I remember a few weeks ago,
37:08
Speaker 2: I was at this car boot sale in the US.
37:11
Speaker 2: You guys are called it like a garage sale, I believe,
37:15
Speaker 2: or yard sale even more specifically. So yeah, I was
37:19
Speaker 2: selling a few items and I had this moose that
37:22
Speaker 2: I hung on my wall, and it's actually like a
37:24
Speaker 2: toy moose. Really, it was like a stuffed thing, like
37:27
Speaker 2: not real moose. I had that on my wall for
37:30
Speaker 2: years and it just put a smile on my face
37:32
Speaker 2: and it got to a point where I thought, I
37:34
Speaker 2: just I feel like I don't need this anymore. I
37:36
Speaker 2: feel like somebody else could use it, which was a
37:37
Speaker 2: bit out of the blue. I thought, Okay, I'll just
37:39
Speaker 2: followed that impulse. So I added that to the list
37:42
Speaker 2: of items we were going to get rid of that day.
37:44
Speaker 2: And yeah, we just set up the stall at the sale,
37:47
Speaker 2: and this man came to me out of the blue,
37:50
Speaker 2: and he just approached the stall and I could see
37:52
Speaker 2: him like this much older man. He must have been
37:54
Speaker 2: in his sixties. He looks so so sad. It's almost
37:57
Speaker 2: like he had a tear in his eye. Like I
38:00
Speaker 2: just had a feeling straight away that he was going
38:01
Speaker 2: through something and I couldn't shake it. And the words
38:05
Speaker 2: came into my mind, this moose. I used to say
38:11
Speaker 2: hello and goodbye to this moose on my way to
38:13
Speaker 2: work and was sorry that. Yeah, I used to say
38:21
Speaker 2: hello goodbye to this moose on my way to work
38:23
Speaker 2: because it makes me smile. And I call this moose Paul.
38:28
Speaker 2: And I thought that was a strange thought. Why on
38:30
Speaker 2: earth did that come into my head? And I had
38:31
Speaker 2: this almost this whole story in my head come out
38:33
Speaker 2: of absolutely nowhere, and I thought, not like me to
38:36
Speaker 2: just make up things believe it or not, despite my
38:38
Speaker 2: crazy story, really, and I just said it to him, thought, okay,
38:41
Speaker 2: I'm going to trust this. So I said it to
38:43
Speaker 2: this man and says, oh, you know, there's this moose here.
38:46
Speaker 2: I think you might like it. And he said to me, actually,
38:49
Speaker 2: I've actually been eyeing up this moose. I've walked by
38:52
Speaker 2: past you all a couple of times, and I kind
38:56
Speaker 2: of like this moose. It almost began to put a
38:58
Speaker 2: smile on his face. And I just said him, do
39:00
Speaker 2: you know what this this moose? I used to say
39:02
Speaker 2: hello and goodbye to it. It's on the way to
39:04
Speaker 2: and from work every day, and he used to always
39:07
Speaker 2: put a smile on my face. So I'm hoping it
39:08
Speaker 2: might cheer you up maybe. And do you know I
39:10
Speaker 2: call this moose Paul And he said as straight it's
39:13
Speaker 2: too serious and I said yeah, and he said, oh,
39:16
Speaker 2: my name's Paul. And I thought, okay, Well, I said
39:19
Speaker 2: clearly that this is meant for you, and we kind
39:22
Speaker 2: of made a few jokes and all that, and I
39:23
Speaker 2: saw his demeanor going from incredibly sad, it's so happy
39:26
Speaker 2: and joyful and he basically said to me, he says, yeah,
39:29
Speaker 2: to be honest, with you. I've had a really bad week.
39:32
Speaker 2: I lost my job and you know, I love that
39:35
Speaker 2: job because I used to just I used to look
39:38
Speaker 2: forward to going into the office every day and it
39:39
Speaker 2: was just everything to me. And it's just been the
39:41
Speaker 2: worst week ever. And he says, maybe things are going
39:43
Speaker 2: to be okay. I said, maybe they will. I said,
39:45
Speaker 2: take Paul with you, so when you get your next job,
39:48
Speaker 2: Paul's going to be there on the wall for You'd
39:50
Speaker 2: say hello and goodbye to you every day. And he
39:51
Speaker 2: just walked off with the you know, some Pip and
39:54
Speaker 2: his step kind of thing. And I thought, sometimes, just
39:57
Speaker 2: really weird synchronicity has happened. And you could say that's
39:59
Speaker 2: purely instance. I get that, But how did I know
40:02
Speaker 2: how and what to say to a complete stranger a
40:05
Speaker 2: specific sequence of things which happened to just align and
40:08
Speaker 2: be there at that right moment, you know, the fact
40:10
Speaker 2: you know, alluded to a job leaving into and going
40:13
Speaker 2: to somewhere, the name and the need to speak to
40:17
Speaker 2: a person at a certain time who needed it, and
40:20
Speaker 2: it's just it's really bizarre, and another instance where whatever
40:25
Speaker 2: it is that I have has helped me. I was
40:28
Speaker 2: on the way back to Oxford's Late one night, I
40:32
Speaker 2: arrived at Oxford station and I think it was about
40:34
Speaker 2: half twelve at night. It was quite dark, of course,
40:37
Speaker 2: and there's a little bridge I have to cross over,
40:39
Speaker 2: or I had to cross over sorry back then that
40:41
Speaker 2: would cross over a road and then take me to
40:43
Speaker 2: my bus stop. And I've been over this bridge so
40:47
Speaker 2: many times, never had any issues in Oxford. It was
40:49
Speaker 2: relatively safe city back then. And I took one step
40:54
Speaker 2: onto this bridge and in the distance I saw a
40:58
Speaker 2: man on the other side of the bridge walk towards me,
41:00
Speaker 2: and he gave me a smile, and I thought, okay,
41:02
Speaker 2: I didn't really feel uneasy. The moment my foot touched
41:05
Speaker 2: the bridge, I saw the word knife appear, almost like
41:08
Speaker 2: it was in reality, like I was stepping into a
41:11
Speaker 2: solid object that made me jump straight away. My persimistic
41:16
Speaker 2: mind or maybe skeptical mind, thought, okay, well, you're just
41:19
Speaker 2: assuming the worst or constance, maybe, like I could have
41:22
Speaker 2: seen a few things leading up to that point to
41:24
Speaker 2: make me concerned or worried that that particular thing could happen,
41:27
Speaker 2: But I've never had that issue happen before in Oxford.
41:29
Speaker 2: So I thought, okay, well, I'll just continue. The man
41:32
Speaker 2: continued to walk towards me, and he had like a
41:34
Speaker 2: plastic bag in one of his hands, and he was
41:37
Speaker 2: walking at quite a pace. Not not like I was running
41:39
Speaker 2: at me, though, but like a relatively fast pace. I
41:44
Speaker 2: had this feeling in my stomach gets stronger and stronger.
41:46
Speaker 2: And again, like I mentioned to you before, there's just
41:47
Speaker 2: pulling down like it's reality. The gravitational shift of reality
41:51
Speaker 2: like pulls you down. It's almost like a warning. Really,
41:55
Speaker 2: I thought, like, I'm just kind of listened to this.
41:56
Speaker 2: Clearly there's a reason for it. And yes, So just
41:59
Speaker 2: a few steps away from this man, I began to
42:01
Speaker 2: see my eyes come in to focus more and there's
42:04
Speaker 2: an object pointing out of his plastic bag. And just
42:07
Speaker 2: as I got close enough, I could see it was
42:09
Speaker 2: a knife coming out of his bag. He actually went
42:12
Speaker 2: down to reach and to pull it out of the
42:13
Speaker 2: bag to almost do like an upwards movement to cause
42:17
Speaker 2: some damage, I assume. But I was already ready. As
42:21
Speaker 2: he approached, I began to realize, oh, actually, this thing
42:23
Speaker 2: is right. So I had I think I had my
42:25
Speaker 2: knees ready. I'm not particularly great at martial arts. I
42:27
Speaker 2: couldn't find my way out of a plastic bag really
42:30
Speaker 2: either way, I had my legs ready to go, and
42:32
Speaker 2: I kind of nudged him with my knee and kind
42:33
Speaker 2: of pushed him back. But because I was already anticipating
42:36
Speaker 2: what was going to happen, he barely had time to
42:38
Speaker 2: pull the knife out, so I kind of pushed him
42:39
Speaker 2: backwards and just rang and because he seemed completely baffled,
42:44
Speaker 2: and I just ran all the way home actually never
42:46
Speaker 2: caught my bots ready. I was so dreamalized. I just
42:49
Speaker 2: couldn't stop. I saw a question now, like, well, again,
42:53
Speaker 2: could that be purely coincidence? Well, there were no repeatables
42:57
Speaker 2: before then, which could me to think that entirely. But yeah,
43:02
Speaker 2: I just happened to know exactly the right thing at
43:04
Speaker 2: the right time, which could have changed the trajectory of
43:07
Speaker 2: my life at that point. Things could have gone terribly.
43:10
Speaker 2: I don't know what he would have got from me then,
43:11
Speaker 2: because I was quite poor back then. I was still
43:13
Speaker 2: a student, to be honest, really, so he wouldn't really
43:15
Speaker 2: get much other than my shoes, I suppose. But the
43:18
Speaker 2: era we seem to have this ability in this knowing,
43:22
Speaker 2: and again allude to the description of radios like mediums
43:28
Speaker 2: do tend to act like radios. We're sort of intermediaries
43:31
Speaker 2: between one place and another. We simply receive frequency, which
43:34
Speaker 2: can be outputed as sound, knowledge, pictures, smells, touch, like
43:40
Speaker 2: various different forms of memory. You know, we're not quite
43:44
Speaker 2: necromancers of the people tend to like to think that
43:48
Speaker 2: all mediums are evil because they're speaking to the dead. No,
43:50
Speaker 2: it's not quite like that. It's just simply an additional sense,
43:54
Speaker 2: just like our five known senses. It's just an additional
43:58
Speaker 2: flow of information. And you know, with me saying that,
44:00
Speaker 2: I do controversially say anybody can be a medium. Like
44:03
Speaker 2: it's about you accessing the equipment that's already there. It
44:06
Speaker 2: depends on your beliefs from your experience. Is how you
44:08
Speaker 2: unlock that?
44:09
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, how did a visit with a medium
44:12
Speaker 1: produce a profound change in your understanding of your experiences?
44:18
Speaker 2: Of course, as a detail in my book, the entity
44:21
Speaker 2: that I described that met me at the end of
44:22
Speaker 2: my bed rather forcefully followed us home. So for many
44:27
Speaker 2: years it harassed my family. We had we had this
44:30
Speaker 2: unexplainable loud whistling, We had smoke, we had music and
44:35
Speaker 2: almost like the sound of parties playing in the house
44:38
Speaker 2: at late hours of the night. We had objects moving,
44:43
Speaker 2: the warping of reality, possessions not even joking, the spirit
44:47
Speaker 2: of my cat came back to life the nights, which
44:50
Speaker 2: is completely wild, but anyway, in this property, over a
44:53
Speaker 2: period of years, things escalated and got darker and darker.
44:57
Speaker 2: This lady Penny, who I mentioned in my book, it's
45:00
Speaker 2: the first medium that I met, and at the time
45:03
Speaker 2: I thought mediums were frauds because I saw them on
45:05
Speaker 2: them shows like in the UK we have most haunted.
45:08
Speaker 2: It's treated as entertainment like it's theater show illusionists essentially.
45:15
Speaker 2: But yet despite all of those experience I experienced, I
45:20
Speaker 2: tried to ignore them. I tried to just get on
45:22
Speaker 2: with my life. But it got to a point where
45:23
Speaker 2: it was so extreme it was affected me terribly, like
45:26
Speaker 2: my health. My mental health was terrible then, because it's
45:29
Speaker 2: the fear that instills in you. My physical health wasn't
45:32
Speaker 2: too great as well. And thankfully a friend of my
45:35
Speaker 2: mum's introduced herself to me, and my mum knew a
45:38
Speaker 2: little bit about the fact she was a medium, but
45:40
Speaker 2: didn't know much about what a medium was. It's not
45:42
Speaker 2: something that Penny tends to talk about much my meeting
45:45
Speaker 2: and meeting over the first time, and it's like she
45:47
Speaker 2: scanned me, like it almost like she looked me up
45:50
Speaker 2: and down. I thought, this is really weird, like have
45:53
Speaker 2: I done something? And she kind of walked to me
45:55
Speaker 2: and said, look here, and like again I'll still call
45:57
Speaker 2: hearing back then and she's look here in something I
46:00
Speaker 2: need to talk to you about, Like can we just
46:01
Speaker 2: take a step inside? And my mum hadn't prompted her
46:05
Speaker 2: to do anything at that time. It was interesting that
46:08
Speaker 2: she picked up on that straight away and she listed like, Kate,
46:10
Speaker 2: sit down, and she says, have you been experiencing anything
46:13
Speaker 2: unusual over the last few years? I said, yeah, some
46:17
Speaker 2: really strange things have happened. And before I could tell
46:20
Speaker 2: her what happened, she just immediately started to blurt out
46:23
Speaker 2: all the things that happened happening. Just to note this
46:26
Speaker 2: part of the story, there are a lot of things
46:28
Speaker 2: I weren't telling you my mum. Sorry, I wasn't telling
46:31
Speaker 2: my mum at the time. She was a single parent,
46:33
Speaker 2: so I didn't want to burden her with too much
46:35
Speaker 2: of this fear. But there are things that me and
46:36
Speaker 2: my sister were experiencing and it was just quite intense.
46:40
Speaker 2: Yet this lady happened to know. So a lot of
46:41
Speaker 2: the things that this lady was saying to me, Penny,
46:45
Speaker 2: were things that my mom didn't know. It's the only
46:47
Speaker 2: people that knew about it were me and my sister,
46:49
Speaker 2: and we kept it just between us, you know, siblings,
46:51
Speaker 2: you know, looking out for each other. And this lady
46:54
Speaker 2: kind of detailed all the events, about the mysterious music,
46:57
Speaker 2: the whistling, and the dark man that would be room
47:00
Speaker 2: at hours of the night, just simply watching. It's almost
47:04
Speaker 2: like the Wish described it, like this entity seemed to
47:07
Speaker 2: enjoy your suffering. It enjoyed the fact that you were
47:10
Speaker 2: hit by this car, enjoyed the fact you were so
47:12
Speaker 2: scared when you were out there and the beyond, and
47:14
Speaker 2: it followed you back from out there, and it has
47:18
Speaker 2: enjoyed your suffering over the last few year. And she says,
47:20
Speaker 2: enough is enough. And I said to he, no, no, it's
47:22
Speaker 2: not that bad. She says, no. Look, I remember telling
47:24
Speaker 2: me off actually saying look that Karen, stop b sing,
47:27
Speaker 2: Please tell me the truth, Like we need to sort
47:29
Speaker 2: this out once for all, because it's not healthy for you.
47:32
Speaker 2: So she explained what she was, and she says, I
47:34
Speaker 2: don't know if you know much about medium Zo, but
47:35
Speaker 2: this is what we do. Says that if it's okay,
47:37
Speaker 2: can I help you? And well, I thought that point.
47:40
Speaker 2: I had no other choice really, because you know, the
47:42
Speaker 2: worst thing that could happen, you know, because I didn't
47:44
Speaker 2: believe it at the time, was nothing. So I let
47:47
Speaker 2: her do a thing. And ultimately, yeah, there was this
47:50
Speaker 2: kind of standoff where now I'm talking kind of secondhand though,
47:53
Speaker 2: So I wasn't there when this happened, so just to
47:55
Speaker 2: note this, so my mum was there, Penny was there,
47:58
Speaker 2: and Penny asked me to leave for her to deal
47:59
Speaker 2: with what needed to be dealt with. And she actually
48:02
Speaker 2: had this kind of stand off with this horrible entity
48:05
Speaker 2: and it was hissing and insulting her, throwing things across
48:08
Speaker 2: the room, and she's her power is just immense. It's
48:14
Speaker 2: incredible the fact that this thing that had power over
48:16
Speaker 2: me for so many years it got a taste of
48:19
Speaker 2: its own medicine. It almost experienced fear for itself. This
48:23
Speaker 2: thing that thought it was so powerful and so amazing
48:25
Speaker 2: actually was quite weak when approached at in the right way,
48:29
Speaker 2: So yeah, Penny did. I don't know what it was
48:32
Speaker 2: that she did anyway. It's more of like a natural
48:34
Speaker 2: forcing out of this thing. It's not quite an exorcism
48:36
Speaker 2: as in reading the Bible as such, though, but she
48:39
Speaker 2: has this natural connection to something and I don't know
48:41
Speaker 2: what it is though, but it's something very good. So yeah,
48:44
Speaker 2: after she had this this fight with this thing, I
48:46
Speaker 2: remember waking up the next day feeling like a new man.
48:50
Speaker 2: That depressive feeling and that feeling of having no energy
48:53
Speaker 2: had gone. I felt like I had a spring in
48:55
Speaker 2: my step, and I stopped seeing the dark man in
48:59
Speaker 2: my room. We stopped hearing the whistling and seeing objects
49:02
Speaker 2: move around the house and all the very different things
49:04
Speaker 2: that were happening. It stopped, but basically overnight, which was
49:08
Speaker 2: really bizarre, and I thought, Okay, this lady must be
49:11
Speaker 2: real then, and sometime went by into like a talk
49:14
Speaker 2: to her about it properly again, because it's almost like
49:16
Speaker 2: talking about it puts you at risk. You have that
49:18
Speaker 2: kind of risk zone basically where it could potentially come back,
49:21
Speaker 2: So it's almost like you ignore it for a while
49:23
Speaker 2: and make sure it's as weak as possible, until you
49:25
Speaker 2: begin to talk about it again. So eventually we came
49:28
Speaker 2: back to have that conversation. I said to her, like,
49:30
Speaker 2: whatever you did, thank you so much. I asked her,
49:34
Speaker 2: like did you see it? Like what did it look like?
49:36
Speaker 2: Because I only know about this thing. I haven't told
49:39
Speaker 2: my mum exactly what this thing looks looks like. And
49:43
Speaker 2: she described it perfectly to me, and just as I
49:45
Speaker 2: saw it at the end of my bed. It's a
49:47
Speaker 2: very tall, dark, gnarly man with the nile's skin almost
49:53
Speaker 2: like burnt wood in a way I had like veins,
49:54
Speaker 2: and it was broken and cracking and be able to
49:58
Speaker 2: two piercing white eyes with very lo large pupils coming
50:01
Speaker 2: out of the dark. And that sense shivers down my
50:04
Speaker 2: spine because I'm the only person that saw it, just
50:07
Speaker 2: that specific entity, and I know I do do say.
50:10
Speaker 2: Me and my sister saw a few things, though, but
50:11
Speaker 2: only I could see this thing that frightened me, and
50:14
Speaker 2: that that was the first time I began to realize
50:17
Speaker 2: this medium stick. It seems to be real, it seems
50:21
Speaker 2: to be there seems to be some measure to this,
50:25
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize that I was one. It took
50:26
Speaker 2: me a few years for me to admit that I
50:28
Speaker 2: am actually one of those, and I don't like saying
50:30
Speaker 2: it because it's the whole societal expectation of you that
50:33
Speaker 2: people seem to think what mediums may be. Most people don't.
50:37
Speaker 2: It's simply put that you know you are a medium,
50:39
Speaker 2: you're not. You don't become a medium. It's like saying no,
50:42
Speaker 2: you are. You are whatever you identify as ultimately though,
50:46
Speaker 2: but it's what you're born with. It's not something that
50:48
Speaker 2: you a coach, you put on, so to speak, is
50:50
Speaker 2: something that you access and trust. And so some of
50:53
Speaker 2: us have the the light forcefully switched on. Sometimes sometimes
50:56
Speaker 2: we're born with it switched on, like Penny. Some people
50:59
Speaker 2: never have the lights on. Either way, it's fine, but
51:02
Speaker 2: each has their own challenges of course. So yeah, that
51:05
Speaker 2: was my first experience with the medium. Really, so I
51:07
Speaker 2: do say that, yeah, there are mediums out there that
51:09
Speaker 2: are fraudulent. It does happen sometimes, like we get bad doctors.
51:12
Speaker 2: But you know when you know you've met a good
51:15
Speaker 2: medium and they're not there for your coin, they're not
51:17
Speaker 2: there for fame, They're there to just help you. They're
51:20
Speaker 2: just good people.
51:22
Speaker 1: Why I have to, yes, why did you feel called
51:25
Speaker 1: to normalize the paranormal.
51:29
Speaker 2: It's because of fears. It simply fear, Like so many
51:33
Speaker 2: people when we talk about ghosts, we talk about you know,
51:36
Speaker 2: I'm a big horror fan, you know, understandably because I
51:38
Speaker 2: felt like I've lived the horror, so to speak. Like
51:42
Speaker 2: people tend to see it as entertainment, and when you
51:44
Speaker 2: see that as entertainment, it makes it less scary. So
51:47
Speaker 2: it's that's kind of compartmentalized as that, and it's not
51:49
Speaker 2: taken as seriously. But when you are confronted with things
51:52
Speaker 2: that do contend with your understanding of reality, the fear
51:56
Speaker 2: responses invoked because we're so programmed to see it that way.
52:00
Speaker 2: I do feel like the conditioning that we all go through,
52:02
Speaker 2: regardless of what religion you are, culture, whichever it may be,
52:05
Speaker 2: it forms that barrier, and that barrier limits your understanding
52:10
Speaker 2: of the universe. So yeah, we're kind of born into
52:12
Speaker 2: life with these parameters all set for us, with various
52:15
Speaker 2: different can philosophies, and we abide by those as if
52:18
Speaker 2: that parameter is all that there is. When we normalize
52:21
Speaker 2: the paranorm, we're ultimately breaking those fences and then realizing
52:25
Speaker 2: actually there's a vast field beyond that goes on to
52:28
Speaker 2: the infinite, that there is no extraordinary universe of things
52:31
Speaker 2: out there and we only understand like point not one
52:34
Speaker 2: percent of it as humans. When we break those parameters,
52:40
Speaker 2: we're opening ourselves up to this beautiful adventure in exploring
52:43
Speaker 2: the unknown. And the more we explore and understand, the
52:46
Speaker 2: less we fear. The less we fear, the more and
52:49
Speaker 2: more quickly we learn about these kinds of things. So
52:51
Speaker 2: nowadays talking about my story now, I used to be
52:54
Speaker 2: too scared to talk about this. Now not so scared.
52:58
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm educating other people and saying, hey,
53:00
Speaker 2: it's okay to talk about these kind of things, even
53:01
Speaker 2: if you don't believe in it. That's normal as having
53:03
Speaker 2: in the conversation about the paranormal. So yeah, that's what
53:07
Speaker 2: I believe, is my suggestion. My concept maybe former more kinder,
53:12
Speaker 2: peaceful world is us removing all these barriers we put
53:15
Speaker 2: up for each other and realizing we're all part of
53:18
Speaker 2: this greater extraordinary world. So that's where I'll say that.
53:21
Speaker 2: We'll say, lastly, is the word paranormal, I do believe
53:24
Speaker 2: is a misnomer. So it's it's parallel to a define
53:27
Speaker 2: normal as evidence of yourself, victor or me, and many others.
53:33
Speaker 2: If more people experience it than we really think and
53:36
Speaker 2: often find it for themselves. Ultimately, though, but if more
53:39
Speaker 2: people experience it, then we think that actually do talk
53:41
Speaker 2: about it. Is it really that abnormal? Is it really
53:44
Speaker 2: that paranormal? I do believe it's part of the greater
53:47
Speaker 2: fabric of the universe, So yeah, I do believe this.
53:50
Speaker 2: This book is all about breaking apart those misunderstandings of
53:56
Speaker 2: our understanding of what the paranormal is, and also proving that,
53:59
Speaker 2: you know, extra new things do happen to pretty ordinary
54:02
Speaker 2: people like us.
54:04
Speaker 1: Absolutely. My guest is Stan May. Stan, you have a
54:06
Speaker 1: podcast Paranoial Perspectives. Please tell us a little about that.
54:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, it continues that mission. So yeah, Ultimately, it's all
54:14
Speaker 2: about inviting people from all different walks of life to
54:18
Speaker 2: build a repository, a library maybe to evidence the fact
54:22
Speaker 2: that again, extraordinary things do happen to ordinary people. So
54:25
Speaker 2: I've had cosse professional investigators on there. I've had actors,
54:28
Speaker 2: I've had genealogists, I've had office workers, I've had researchers,
54:33
Speaker 2: I've had psychologists, I've had gosh, what's called past life
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Speaker 2: for regression therapists. I've had some kind of people more
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Speaker 2: on the skeptical side. Ultimately, there's a big library of
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Speaker 2: people talking about things that they don't understand and being
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Speaker 2: comfortable with that in a safe space. So that's the idea.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I just do it to maybe educate those
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Speaker 2: people in the future what humanity is really about, and
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Speaker 2: you know, break apart those misunderstandings of what the paranormal
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Speaker 2: is because a long time ago the paranormal needs to
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Speaker 2: be magic. We just use different phraseology nowadays. If we
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Speaker 2: just move those words away and simply say this is
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Speaker 2: just a part of our greater understanding of this beautiful
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Speaker 2: universe that we're part of.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and please share with our listeners your website.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my website, so so of course, the paranormal perspectives
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Speaker 2: you can find on YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcasts and such.
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Speaker 2: And I do have a little mini site for my
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Speaker 2: book if you'd like to learn more Paranormalody, Normalizing the Paranormal,
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Speaker 2: and I share with you at a link Fvicture if
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Speaker 2: that's okay, has a little preview of a couple of
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Speaker 2: the stories of the book I do. I do recommend
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Speaker 2: that you listen to my story about my cat Pus
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Speaker 2: when she crossed over. It's one of the most beautiful
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Speaker 2: hauntings I've ever experienced. And also there's just an invite
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Speaker 2: for your to join this journey by reading the book basically,
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Speaker 2: and I'd love to know your thoughts. There's contact form
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Speaker 2: there if anybody has any questions about this interview or
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Speaker 2: the book itself. I'm an open book pardon the pun. Yes,
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Speaker 2: so I have to joke. I have to joke when
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Speaker 2: I get nervous talking about these kind of thing. That's
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Speaker 2: my defense mechanism, you see. So yeah, I hope you
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Speaker 2: guys like it anyway, and I'm all about learning from
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Speaker 2: each other.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Stan, thank you so much for joining us and
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Speaker 1: sharing your amazing story.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you think, Victor, thank you for the opportunity,
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Speaker 2: and thank.
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Speaker 1: You for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm Victor the
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Speaker 1: Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.