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Sharri | 6 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening. The scene is set for
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Speaker 2: a Liberal Party showdown on Wednesday, when MP's are recalled
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Speaker 2: to Canberra to decide whether to dump net zero. Exclusive
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Speaker 2: details on how this will unfold shortly, and I'll also
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Speaker 2: speak with Esteam journalist Paul Kelly. It's the UK newspaper
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Speaker 2: on a crusade to expose the left wing bias of
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Speaker 2: the BBC. I'll speak with the journalists behind this week's
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Speaker 2: bombshell revelations, including the leaked dossia revealing the BBC had
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Speaker 2: doctored Dot Trump's speech. That's coming up. Noah Tishby also
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Speaker 2: joins me tonight to tell how New York Jews are
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Speaker 2: reeling after Zorad Mamdani's shocking win and some are even
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Speaker 2: fleeing to Florida. And the document revealing the Albanezy government
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Speaker 2: wants to lower speed limits to reduce emissions. Talk about
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Speaker 2: this with Matt Canavan. It's all coming up, but first,
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Speaker 2: The scene is now set for a showdown on Wednesday,
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Speaker 2: when Liberal MPs are recalled to Canberra for a discussion
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Speaker 2: on their energy policy. The Liberal Party Federal Director will
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Speaker 2: present research on public sentiment around net zero and energy policy.
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Speaker 2: At the Liberal Party meeting to finalize their position on Wednesday,
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hurst, he's the Federal director. He'll present the findings
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Speaker 2: of polling and focus group research from Peace to consider
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Speaker 2: as they move towards dumping net zero by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hurst will present long term trends on how support
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Speaker 2: for net zero has changed over time. Ever since Scott
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Speaker 2: Morrison first adopted the policy five years ago, the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party has been tracking the issue throughout. Hurst will also
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Speaker 2: present contemporaneous research that shows where public is sentiment is
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Speaker 2: now both on net zero and on energy policy. Then
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Speaker 2: at the meeting, Shadow Energy Minister Dantean will present a
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Speaker 2: set of principles for endorsement and a set of open
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Speaker 2: questions for discussion and resolution. Now let's start with that
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Speaker 2: first one, the principles for endorsement. This will include conceptual
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Speaker 2: statements such as affordable energy is the first priority, we
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Speaker 2: believe in technology, not taxes, climate change is real and important,
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Speaker 2: and we believe in doing our fair share. So you'll
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Speaker 2: put forward those principles for endorsement through the party. That
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Speaker 2: first section is expected to be largely uncontroversial, but the
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Speaker 2: second part, the set of open questions for discussion and resolution.
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Speaker 2: This is where the debate will happen and where it's
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Speaker 2: likely to get his Dantean will open with the proposition
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Speaker 2: that the Liberal Party is united on lowering emissions, but
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Speaker 2: the question is how to describe the aspiration. Is it
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Speaker 2: dumping net zero entirely or is it keeping net zero
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Speaker 2: as a term as an aspiration but without a date
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Speaker 2: and without legislation. After Wednesday's meeting the Liberal Party Party
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Speaker 2: Room meeting, a final position will then be taken to
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Speaker 2: the Shadow Liberal Cabinet next Thursday, that's the day afterwards.
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Speaker 2: Then there'll be discussion with the Nationals that will take
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Speaker 2: place over the weekend, and the aim of Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: is to have the coalition's energy policy finalized by next Sunday.
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Speaker 2: But already Labour's assault and the coalition for even thinking
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Speaker 2: about dumping net zero has begun. Senior Albanesi government ministers
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Speaker 2: today called the coalition extremists. Now, this is the coalition
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Speaker 2: that has been dithering on a decision or even a
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Speaker 2: process over net zero for six months now. But Labour's language,
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Speaker 2: the sort we're hearing today is an indication of the
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Speaker 2: kind of campaign the Albanesi government will run if the
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Speaker 2: Liberals do decide to abandon the net zero by twenty
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Speaker 2: fifty legislation now. Tanya Plibisek kicked it off this morning.
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Speaker 3: The people who don't back net zero are the extremists
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Speaker 3: of the National Party and they're dragging half the Liberal
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Speaker 3: Party with them.
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Speaker 2: And Treasurer Jim Chalmers in Parliament also accused the coalition
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Speaker 2: of extremism.
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Speaker 4: Abandoning net zero would be economic insanity of the highest order.
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Speaker 4: What they are contemplating over there, mister Speaker, would be
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Speaker 4: economic extremism of the very worst kind. And what this
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Speaker 4: shows is that they're extra. Isn't just some kind of
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Speaker 4: phase they're going through, It's now their permanent state, mister Speaker.
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Speaker 4: That is the most divided, most divisive, and the most extreme,
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Speaker 4: least credible opposition in memory.
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Speaker 2: And Chris Bowen painted the coalition as fantasists. Have a look.
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Speaker 5: Hallucinations is a common theme.
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Speaker 6: Here's to speaker.
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Speaker 5: We've got the National Party and the Liberal Party following
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Speaker 5: you talk about ton Zieria.
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Speaker 6: Let me be a few minutes before it's announced that
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Speaker 6: the Liberal parties followed them.
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Speaker 7: The Party of Begis is becoming a party of sky
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Speaker 7: News frenzies.
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Speaker 2: God, someone is going to have to add up the
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Speaker 2: number of times they mentioned sky News in question time.
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Speaker 2: They are obsessed and it's probably because sky News is
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Speaker 2: the only ones holding the government to account properly. Now
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Speaker 2: the language that you've just heard there from Labor is
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Speaker 2: starting to speak the coalition, which fears a brutal political
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Speaker 2: campaign centered on dinosaurs, denying climate change and Albanezy as
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Speaker 2: we know, runs an effective scare campaign and the risk
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Speaker 2: is that the tials will become further entrenched in former
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Speaker 2: blue ribbon Liberal seats. But then Labor is hoping Australians
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Speaker 2: don't wake up to the fact that life is significantly
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Speaker 2: more expensive because of this policy. And it's likely the
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Speaker 2: government will come under increasing pressure as Australians realize that
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Speaker 2: interest rates aren't coming down and the reason for this
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Speaker 2: is the higher power prices driven by the rushed transition
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Speaker 2: to renewables. Now. Highly respected non partisan columnist Robert gott
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Speaker 2: Liebsen explained last night how Australia now even could face
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Speaker 2: a recession because of inflation kept high by energy prices.
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Speaker 8: It's pretty simple. Where government is engaged in a massive
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Speaker 8: renewables program as a resort of that. That means we're
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Speaker 8: going to have to pay more for power and that
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Speaker 8: will underwrite inflation.
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Speaker 2: And this is the reality that our nation now confronts.
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Speaker 2: When the economy falters as got leabs and suggests it
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Speaker 2: could Jim Chalmers will only have Chris Bohen to blame
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Speaker 2: an ill conceived energy policy designed by a failed minister,
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Speaker 2: driving up electricity prices, keeping inflation high and thus affecting
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Speaker 2: our mortgages and our cost of living. Now let's turn
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Speaker 2: to the scandal engulfing Britain's taxpayer funded broadcaster, the BBC,
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Speaker 2: and how the ABC should be under similar pressure. The
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Speaker 2: green left values and ideology of the BBC are mirrit
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Speaker 2: by the ABC here in Australia. They claim to be trusted,
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Speaker 2: objective and unbiased, But the ABC, like the BBC, is
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Speaker 2: nothing of the sort. It patronizingly espouses far left ideologies,
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Speaker 2: frequently mocking liberal politicians and taking a light approach to
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Speaker 2: Labour and the Greens. The bias of the BBC has
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Speaker 2: been obvious to us all but now a global scoundal
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Speaker 2: has erupted after a leak dossier revealed that the BBC
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Speaker 2: doctored footage of Donald Trump and also spread from US
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Speaker 2: propaganda globally. The dossier was compiled by a member of
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Speaker 2: the BBC's Editorial Guidelines and Standards Committee. The journalist god
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Speaker 2: and Rayner, who broke these stories, who got the leak dossier,
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Speaker 2: He's on my show tonight. He discovered that the BBC
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Speaker 2: had edited clips of Trump speaking to make it appear
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Speaker 2: that he had encouraged the Capitol Hill riot when he
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Speaker 2: was actually urging them to peacefully make their voices heard.
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Speaker 2: Have a look you see.
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Speaker 5: Panorama released a documentary called Trump a Second Chance, and
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Speaker 5: in it they played the following clip, We're going.
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Speaker 3: To walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there
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Speaker 3: with you, and we fight.
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Speaker 1: We fight like.
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Speaker 5: Hell between Capitol and and that's a cut. Here's what
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Speaker 5: Trump actually said.
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Speaker 9: We're going to.
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Speaker 1: Walk down to the Capitol.
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Speaker 7: And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and
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Speaker 7: congressmen and women.
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Speaker 2: Just appall it. It also emerged in this dosia that
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Speaker 2: BBC Arabic had minimized Israeli suffering in the Gaza War
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Speaker 2: in order to promote Israel as the aggressor. The internal
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Speaker 2: report also found that the BBC raced to air allegations
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Speaker 2: against Israel before fact checking, and also promoted propaganda, including
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Speaker 2: its made up casualty figures.
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Speaker 5: In April and June twenty twenty four, the BBC published
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Speaker 5: two stories about the discovery of mass graves at Al
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Speaker 5: Nassa and Al Shifa hospitals in Gaza. According to the
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Speaker 5: internal BBC dossier, the article strongly in pride that Israeli
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Speaker 5: forces had buried bodies at both sites prior to withdrawing
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Speaker 5: from the area, but the BBC's own Editorial Standards committee
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Speaker 5: was told that this narrative was wrong. The memo says
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Speaker 5: that the most likely explanation is that the mass graves
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Speaker 5: were duged by Palestinians themselves, and the people buried there
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Speaker 5: had died or been killed prior to the arrival of
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Speaker 5: the Israeli ground forces.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 2: UK Telegraph columnist Alistair Heath writes that this expose has
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Speaker 2: shown the BBC to be dishonest, prone to cover ups,
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Speaker 2: and often wrong about imports. It matters. He writes that,
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Speaker 2: fueled by billions of pounds extracted via the license fee,
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Speaker 2: the BBC has spent forty years shrinking the Overton window,
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Speaker 2: waging war against center right dissidents, bullying politicians into following
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Speaker 2: destructive orthodoxies, and promoting an anti western, anti capitalist, anti
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Speaker 2: conservative worldview. He said its output riddled with groupthink, lapped
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Speaker 2: up by our decrepit establishment reeks of eikophobia, economic illiteracy,
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Speaker 2: soft socialism, suicidal empathy, and luxury beliefs. And while story
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Speaker 2: by story, the BBC may pass the official lens of
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Speaker 2: objectivity much like the ABC, Alistair Heath writes that its
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Speaker 2: prejudices come through in story selection, the questions it asks,
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Speaker 2: its interview picks, and the slant of reporters, editors and interviewers.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 2: Virtually the same could be said about the ABC. Like
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Speaker 2: the BBC, the ABC here has fueled the rise in
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Speaker 2: antisemitism by giving near constant, critical and one sided coverage
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Speaker 2: of Israel over the past two years. Unlike the BBC,
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Speaker 2: the ABC's coverage often amplifies anti Israel perspective and allows
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Speaker 2: Prohomas talking points to go untested. It's been so hostile
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Speaker 2: to Israel and has disregarded the antisemitism crisis that it's
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Speaker 2: no wonder Jewish journalists like Elan Zetlin have had to
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Speaker 2: leave the ABC. The ABC's lack of critical thinking on
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Speaker 2: energy policy is also obvious. And meanwhile, its investigative programs
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Speaker 2: like four Corners have spent tens, if not hundreds of
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Speaker 2: thousands of dollars investigating liberal policyians over the years, including
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Speaker 2: as you recall, pursuing decade's old complaints about Christian porter
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Speaker 2: that forced a bright politician out of office. But when
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Speaker 2: was the last time you recall a story exposing a
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Speaker 2: labor politician. It rarely happens. Likewise, they're happy to pursue
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Speaker 2: Christian institutions and target the likes of George Pell, but
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Speaker 2: there's been little examination of the scourge of radical Islam,
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Speaker 2: despite its obvious problems that Asio is concerned about, and
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Speaker 2: Mike Burgess spoke about it just this week. Now, I've
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Speaker 2: personally never supported shutting down the ABC or privatizing it
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Speaker 2: because I think it is important to have a news
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Speaker 2: service that's unaffected by advertising revenues or declining audiences or
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Speaker 2: the economic conditions of the day. The news matters, and
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Speaker 2: they would be a service that delivers it to all audiences,
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Speaker 2: regardless of commercial considerations. But now I wonder if it's
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Speaker 2: insanity for our taxpayer dollars to promote a narrative that
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Speaker 2: sow's social discord, that turns Australians against Jews, that pushes
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Speaker 2: a green view of the world, creating problems in society,
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Speaker 2: and that bullies conservative politicians out of office for perceived
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Speaker 2: crimes that could never be proven. Why should the taxpayer
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Speaker 2: fund an organization that is objectively damaging our society? Now,
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Speaker 2: Kevin Right and Malcolm Turnbull used to throw their support
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Speaker 2: behind a Murdock Royal commission, But why hasn't there been
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Speaker 2: discussion of a Royal commission into the ABC and SBS
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Speaker 2: given their use of billions of taxpayer dollars and when
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Speaker 2: they're biased, is clearly uncontrollable. Or perhaps it's time we
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Speaker 2: start having that debate.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to that a bit later in the show,
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Speaker 2: as I said with a journalist who broke that leak dossier,
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Speaker 2: but first let's bring it now National Senator Matt Canavan
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Speaker 2: and Bill Shorten's former chief of staff, Camera Milner. Great
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Speaker 2: to see you both of you. Now, let's go to
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Speaker 2: that breaking news that the Liberals will hold a party
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Speaker 2: room meeting on Wednesday. I outlined the process with that
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Speaker 2: exclusive new detail just a moment ago. Now, Matt, this
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Speaker 2: has taken some time, but still and I've made a
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Speaker 2: lot of cause this afternoon, a final position genuinely hasn't
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Speaker 2: been reached, so it is likely they will dump net zero,
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Speaker 2: but it's also possible that they keep a net zero
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Speaker 2: aspiration without any specific date. What do you think, Matt, Well.
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Speaker 10: Look, it's Liberal Party meeting and I'm a member of
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Speaker 10: the Nationals Party, so I'll let Liberals speak for themselves,
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Speaker 10: but I do welcome it. I have been calling for
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Speaker 10: four years now. It's just over four years when the
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Speaker 10: coalition adopted this crazy idea that we'd get to nancer
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Speaker 10: omissions and just a generation. We did so without a
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Speaker 10: party room debate, without a joint party room discussion. The
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Speaker 10: Nationals Party had a debate, but we had a gun
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Speaker 10: to our he held to our head. We were told
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Speaker 10: if you don't agree, you're out of the coalition.
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Speaker 1: So look, I really.
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Speaker 10: Think this is a great step forward. Hopefully we can
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Speaker 10: get some sanity back. I definitely think this idea needs
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Speaker 10: to be contested. As I said with the Nationals Party
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Speaker 10: announced this position on the weekend, the job of an
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Speaker 10: opposition is to be a voice, not an echo. Our
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Speaker 10: job here is not just to echo the government's message.
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Speaker 10: Our job is to actually take up the fight and
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Speaker 10: put a contest forward for the Australian people. And we've
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Speaker 10: got to have politics as a battle of ideas. We've
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Speaker 10: got to be in that fight. And I think the
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Speaker 10: reaction to the Nationals position on the weekend to dump
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Speaker 10: net zero shows exactly why we should have that fight.
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Speaker 10: There's been a lot of people now coming out of the
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Speaker 10: woodwork saying this idea might not be so good. It's
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Speaker 10: amazing when a bit of leadership, a bit of courage
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Speaker 10: is showing how much it can do for the country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you played a big role, Matt in pushing
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Speaker 2: your own party to reach that decision. Now, Camerin, you
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Speaker 2: were there, I believe, But correct me if I'm wrong.
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Speaker 2: When Medie scare was hatched back in.
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Speaker 6: Medie s one point zero was mine?
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Speaker 2: Is twenty sixteen or your fault? So I want to
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Speaker 2: know from you. I mean, we heard and I've just
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Speaker 2: played at the rahtoric today, you know, accusing the Coalition
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Speaker 2: of being extremists. How would Labor weaponize dumping that zero
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Speaker 2: against the Liberals in an election campaign?
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Speaker 3: It'll be the mother of all scare campaigns, mother rule,
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Speaker 3: scare campaign shart and there'll be the wailing and gnashing
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Speaker 3: of teeth for the Greens and the extremists and the
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Speaker 3: woke lefties. Up here's the conundrum. The Liberal Party I
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Speaker 3: think will probably dump net zero. I mean, I think
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Speaker 3: the coalition is probably more important than to the net
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Speaker 3: zero and if they're going to do that, they're going
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Speaker 3: to have to fight a campaign like the Voice because
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Speaker 3: net zero doesn't come with zero cost. Net zero costs
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Speaker 3: hundreds of billions of dollars and that's where the robber
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Speaker 3: hits the road.
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Speaker 6: If the Liberals actually want.
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Speaker 3: To become an opposition and an opposed Labour's climate change
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Speaker 3: plan with their own plan, then I think they've got
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Speaker 3: to do what they did with the Voice campaign, which was,
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Speaker 3: you know, break from the break from the kind of
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Speaker 3: the worldview that the media andywhere else is going to
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Speaker 3: rail against you, and actually poning up for a real
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Speaker 3: campaign and state and stake out a position like Matt
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Speaker 3: has in the National Party but as the coalition.
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Speaker 2: So that was a pretty good Yeah, that's a pretty
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Speaker 2: good line. I mean, that could be their campaign zero
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Speaker 2: doesn't Cameron, They're going to have to start charging your
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Speaker 2: money in the Liberals. But we've just look, here's a professional.
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Speaker 2: Cameron's on the show every week, regular guest. But you know,
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Speaker 2: and part of the reason we love having you is
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Speaker 2: because you you know, you are a labor insider. You
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Speaker 2: ran the Labor campaign and two state campaigns as well.
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Speaker 2: But you just heard from Cameron there, this is going
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Speaker 2: to be the mother of all scare campaigns. So Matt,
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Speaker 2: to counter this, you need extremely effective communicators and my
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Speaker 2: concern is that the Liberals don't have that at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Well, well I hope you have.
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Speaker 10: I think we have Cameron on because he's a great
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Speaker 10: blike he's a good bike too, despite other side. But look,
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Speaker 10: cometh cometh the moment, cometh the man or the woman.
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Speaker 10: So look it's got to be some people have got
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Speaker 10: to step up. And yes it's going to be very tough.
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Speaker 10: We went through the research, the polling on this in
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Speaker 10: our party room and we're net to no illusions here
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Speaker 10: that we've got to change people's minds.
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Speaker 1: They're currently is a.
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Speaker 10: Sort of I think default position to think net zero
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Speaker 10: is okay. And I think a lot of that is
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Speaker 10: because you've got academia, you've got big business, you've got government,
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Speaker 10: you've had the opposition at unions all in favor of
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Speaker 10: net zero, so it's got a default level of support.
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Speaker 10: And so we've got a job on our hands. We've
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Speaker 10: got a mountain to climb, but we shouldn't be afraid
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Speaker 10: of that. We've got a knuckle down and work really
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Speaker 10: hard and just stick at it. I mean I used
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Speaker 10: to have a saying when I know we were having
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Speaker 10: these fights ten or fifteen years ago, there's never one
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Speaker 10: media release, there's never one speech it's going to take
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Speaker 10: something like this down. It just requires constant work, hard work,
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Speaker 10: elbow grease, day after day to point out the floors
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Speaker 10: of something and eventually, eventually, like in the Voice campaign,
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Speaker 10: eventually you can cut through.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just very quickly because we've got to move on
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Speaker 2: to some other topics. But I said at the start
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Speaker 2: of the show that the Liberal Party Federal director Andrew
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Speaker 2: Hurst will be presenting research to MPs on Wednesday. But Matt,
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Speaker 2: you just referred to research, So you've already got research.
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Speaker 2: So what is it? What does it show the majority
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Speaker 2: of people currently support net zero?
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Speaker 10: No, it does show that that really it's a little
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Speaker 10: bit under that, but it's a plurality that means that
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Speaker 10: more people support net zero than don't, but it's actually
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Speaker 10: under fifty percent in most of the research, which is
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Speaker 10: a little I think shows the vulnerability of the need
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Speaker 10: zero campaign that after all that support, they're still not
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Speaker 10: cracking fifty. The main finding is a lot of people,
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Speaker 10: probably about a third of people, still don't really know
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Speaker 10: what need zero is and don't have a definitive view
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Speaker 10: on it. So there's a lot of opportunity there, as
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Speaker 10: I say, to get out there and really tell people,
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Speaker 10: as Camranger said, met zero is not a doesn't come
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Speaker 10: at zero cost.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to refine those words there. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: you see, Cameron, your slogan's going to take off now, Camrangers,
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Speaker 2: before we move on, I'm.
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Speaker 10: Interested Anthony Albanezi will thank him later, you'll thank him.
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Speaker 2: I think he hasn't been on Anthony Albernez. He's his
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Speaker 2: card list for a long time. That's ajot. No, that's right, Cameron.
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Speaker 2: I'm interested in your view of Susan Lee is electable.
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Speaker 6: No, she's she's a dead woman walking.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, she's she's basically a sort of
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Speaker 3: dear courtet in the in the Headlights of a b
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Speaker 3: Triple with Andrew haste in the Sheep of Prize and
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Speaker 3: Matt Canavan on board.
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Speaker 6: No, she's she's a terrible leader.
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Speaker 3: And as I say, if you're going to run a
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Speaker 3: voice campaign, you need someone who's actually got to streak
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Speaker 3: the character to stand up and actually be heard, and
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Speaker 3: she can't cut through. So so the great danger is
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Speaker 3: if you're going to get dump net zero, you need
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Speaker 3: to dump.
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Speaker 6: Your leader as well.
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Speaker 2: MM fascinating.
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Speaker 10: I think that's unfair. As I say, let's I think
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Speaker 10: it's unfair. I've got to I've got to respond to that.
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Speaker 10: I think it's unfair. I think Susan deserves a go
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Speaker 10: here at this and and look it's as I say,
22:38
Speaker 10: it's a big mountain to climb. But if she makes
22:41
Speaker 10: a really brave and courageous decision in the next couple
22:43
Speaker 10: of weeks, maybe it could be the making of her.
22:45
Speaker 10: So I remember a lot of people when Tony Abbott
22:47
Speaker 10: became led thought there's no way he's too per pulistic,
22:50
Speaker 10: he's too catholic, he's not going to win. And look
22:52
Speaker 10: what happened.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I think the party will give her
22:58
Speaker 2: all right, Matt, you I want to talk about it.
23:01
Speaker 10: Everyone thought Malcolm was great at first, though unlike everyone
23:04
Speaker 10: thought himself.
23:07
Speaker 2: To know him exactly. Matt, you gave a pretty fiery
23:12
Speaker 2: speech in the Senate today. This is a really fascinating story.
23:15
Speaker 2: So this is about the government's plans to reduce speed limits.
23:19
Speaker 2: You might have heard about this already, but the government's
23:21
Speaker 2: plans to reduce speed limits in areas where there's no
23:24
Speaker 2: speed signs. It's currently the default position is one hundred
23:27
Speaker 2: kilometers an hour. The plan is to reduce it to seventy. Now,
23:31
Speaker 2: the main benefit is safety and reducing the road toll.
23:35
Speaker 2: But the regulatory assessment document Matt, that you got your
23:40
Speaker 2: hands on states that another reason is because they're counting
23:43
Speaker 2: on the reduction of carbon emissions from cars driving slower. Now,
23:47
Speaker 2: the document actually states there is evidence to suggest that
23:51
Speaker 2: increased speed can increase fuel consumption and therefore increase carbon emissions.
23:57
Speaker 2: And let's have a little clip of you, Matt in
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Speaker 2: the Senate today. Have a look.
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Speaker 10: The question here is not whether or not a government
24:06
Speaker 10: should consider reducing the speed to save Australian lives. The
24:11
Speaker 10: question is should a government decide on the speed limits
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Speaker 10: to reach a reduction in carbon emissions.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Matt, this is extraordinary, and the government tried
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Speaker 2: to deny it, and then you produce the document.
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Speaker 10: It's in their own document. There's chaouts in black and white,
24:30
Speaker 10: and it shows the absolute arrogance and over extension of
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Speaker 10: the net zero state. We have armies of bureaucrats now
24:38
Speaker 10: here in Canberra whose only job is to find net
24:40
Speaker 10: zero in everything we do in the Defense Department and
24:43
Speaker 10: the Agricultural Department and here in the Transport Department. Just
24:47
Speaker 10: to be clear, this proposal to reduce speed limits is
24:50
Speaker 10: in is on unsigned roads, so typically unsealed or rural roads,
24:55
Speaker 10: and they're doing a cost benefit study on whether it's
24:57
Speaker 10: worth it to do that to save lives. Fair enough,
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Speaker 10: but why would you consider the reduction emissions that comes
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Speaker 10: from lowering the speed limit in deciding whether the benefit
25:08
Speaker 10: or cost is positive or negative. It shows, as I say,
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Speaker 10: the complete lack of priorities here in Canberra right now.
25:14
Speaker 10: And it is just this is just another small example
25:17
Speaker 10: of why your government has lost control of spending. I've
25:19
Speaker 10: lost control of the economy. We're losing our jobs, we're
25:21
Speaker 10: losing our wealth, and we've got to get back to
25:24
Speaker 10: focusing on core business and make Austrains wealthy again.
25:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, Cameron, I mean I personally support lowering the
25:32
Speaker 2: road tole. I wish as a mother, I wish all
25:34
Speaker 2: roads could be something like fifty kilometers an hour and
25:36
Speaker 2: you really get down the deaths. But if they're making
25:41
Speaker 2: decisions about lowering the speed limit for carbon emissions, I mean,
25:46
Speaker 2: that is just insanity.
25:49
Speaker 3: Well it is, and climate alarmists become climate of surtists.
25:52
Speaker 3: I'm so glad Matt you found this out. I mean
25:54
Speaker 3: you and driven those country roads and quante Matt. I
25:56
Speaker 3: mean they're long distances and if you drive safely at
25:59
Speaker 3: a que's now you get there. What worries me is
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Speaker 3: adding thirty or forty percent of the time to the
26:05
Speaker 3: travel time could be just as dangerous in terms of
26:07
Speaker 3: only limiting people to see me colments now so no, look,
26:09
Speaker 3: I mean through personal tragedy. I know, speed kills, but
26:13
Speaker 3: in this situation, I think, Matt, great that you've actually
26:15
Speaker 3: found this out, and it's just Canberra absurdism to think
26:19
Speaker 3: that the carbon emissions can be limited by dropping the
26:21
Speaker 3: speed limit.
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Speaker 2: Complete nutty stuff. A well done Matt for getting your
26:26
Speaker 2: hands on that document. Now, just before we go, a
26:29
Speaker 2: pretty funny moment yesterday when President Donald Trump said that JD.
26:32
Speaker 2: Vance has a habit of interrupting his conversations. So the
26:36
Speaker 2: President made the comments of the White House. He was
26:38
Speaker 2: talking about how none of Chinese presidents she's ministered would
26:42
Speaker 2: even answer his questions, how amazing their posture was.
26:45
Speaker 1: Have a look, and I made it come.
26:48
Speaker 6: Into one of them and they got no response. I said,
26:51
Speaker 6: a you to answer me. I got no response.
26:53
Speaker 2: And President she didn't let her imber any So there's
26:57
Speaker 2: any question, I said, I want my cambinet to be
26:59
Speaker 2: head for.
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Speaker 11: Ged.
27:03
Speaker 10: Hasn't behaved like that Jed budge into conversations.
27:07
Speaker 6: What's it I want to have? I want to have
27:09
Speaker 6: that for at least a couple of days.
27:11
Speaker 2: Okay, Cameron, Susan Lee could do with a bit of
27:15
Speaker 2: that unity from President She or couldn't.
27:18
Speaker 6: She couldn't she?
27:19
Speaker 3: But isn't it interesting to see President Donald Trump just
27:22
Speaker 3: so comfortable and relaxed and so much into the role
27:24
Speaker 3: now in terms of the confidence which he's which he's
27:27
Speaker 3: performing the role of President of the United States.
27:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's true, and it is actually very funny, Matt.
27:34
Speaker 2: I mean when you lock the when you look at
27:35
Speaker 2: those really long speeches, he gives like it the knasset.
27:39
Speaker 2: He's hilarious.
27:43
Speaker 10: Yes, Charity year today. Since he was elected president for
27:46
Speaker 10: the second time, and whatever you think about his presidency,
27:49
Speaker 10: I think he's been the best stand up comedian we've
27:52
Speaker 10: ever had as a world leader.
27:53
Speaker 2: It's noted about that true, and I am completely addicted
27:56
Speaker 2: to watching on social media that Trump impersonate. It's they're
28:01
Speaker 2: just so funny. All right, Matt Canavan, camer Milner, thank
28:04
Speaker 2: you both so much.
28:07
Speaker 9: Well.
28:07
Speaker 2: Zorain Mam Daney's election as New York mayor isn't just
28:11
Speaker 2: bad for Jews in israelis it puts every American at risk.
28:15
Speaker 2: That is the stark warning from Israeli activist, author and
28:19
Speaker 2: actress Noah Tishbe. I spoke to her a little earlier.
28:24
Speaker 2: No tish be great to see you again. Look, this
28:26
Speaker 2: is a shocking, devastating result for New York. How are
28:30
Speaker 2: you feeling today?
28:32
Speaker 9: I'm actually in New York right now, and I have
28:34
Speaker 9: to say people are quite devastated. As you said, I
28:37
Speaker 9: think it's ironic that a socialist candidate is now the
28:42
Speaker 9: mayor elect of the capital of capitalism in the world,
28:47
Speaker 9: and nobody knows how it's going to unfold. Look, the
28:50
Speaker 9: bottom line is this, in my opinion, he's not going
28:52
Speaker 9: to be able to reenact and to act out on
28:55
Speaker 9: any of his socialists policies. He's not going to be
28:58
Speaker 9: able to give free grocery stores and free everything. It
29:01
Speaker 9: just not though how the world works. My grandma is
29:04
Speaker 9: from a kibbutz. It's a socialist. It used to be
29:07
Speaker 9: a socialist utopia. She thought that it would work. It
29:10
Speaker 9: didn't work there, and it's not going to work here.
29:12
Speaker 9: But the biggest problem that Zora Mumdani has already had done,
29:16
Speaker 9: the biggest the biggest problem that he's already inserted into
29:20
Speaker 9: the conversation the concept that Israel should not be a
29:23
Speaker 9: Jewish state. And that is one of the most concerning
29:26
Speaker 9: things in the greatest dangers to Western order and to
29:30
Speaker 9: us as the Jewish community around the world and anybody
29:33
Speaker 9: who believes in Western values. This is already in the conversation.
29:37
Speaker 2: This will be extremely difficult. Why isn't it for Jurys
29:41
Speaker 2: living in New York?
29:43
Speaker 9: Yes, Jews are extremely concerned. Sixty three percent voted for Cuomo.
29:47
Speaker 9: Sadly thirty three percent voted from Mamdani and for various reasons.
29:52
Speaker 9: One of them is expenses and everything that has to
29:54
Speaker 9: do with his financial policies that he's trying, dreaming of
30:00
Speaker 9: of putting in place, but also because of some anger
30:04
Speaker 9: that some liberal, progressive, extreme Jews have towards Israel and
30:09
Speaker 9: towards the war. It's very sad that even this amount
30:13
Speaker 9: voted for him. And I know that the majority of
30:15
Speaker 9: New Yorkers, New York Jews are very, very concerned. It's
30:19
Speaker 9: not a joke. People are really I wouldn't be surprised
30:22
Speaker 9: if you'll see a migration out out of New York Florida.
30:26
Speaker 9: Here we come. That's what I hear.
30:27
Speaker 2: A lot of people say he's not just damaging for
30:30
Speaker 2: the Jewish community, but he's very anti American as well.
30:34
Speaker 2: Many of his positions.
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Speaker 9: Yes, I saw one of the interviews that his mom
30:40
Speaker 9: gave a couple of years back, and she goes, he's
30:42
Speaker 9: not American at all. He's Indian and Muslim. He doesn't
30:45
Speaker 9: feel they were raised with that sense of you know,
30:49
Speaker 9: we're something else first. I don't want to insinuate anything,
30:52
Speaker 9: but it does not feel right for America at all.
30:55
Speaker 9: And we're all very concerned. It's not about it's not
30:58
Speaker 9: just about his Muslim faith. It's about his support for
31:03
Speaker 9: people who support Hamas. If you are an aspiring rapper,
31:07
Speaker 9: which is what he is, essentially a failed rapper, and
31:11
Speaker 9: you rap about the Holy Land Five, the Holy Land Five,
31:15
Speaker 9: which he literally wrapped about, said you should look them up.
31:18
Speaker 9: When you look them up, you will find out that
31:21
Speaker 9: they were charged and convicted by the FBI for funneling
31:25
Speaker 9: money to Hamas. Those are the people that he is
31:28
Speaker 9: a supporter of. So it's very concerning for anybody, not
31:32
Speaker 9: just for the Jewish community, but for again for all Americans.
31:35
Speaker 9: I think a lot of people are seeing it as
31:37
Speaker 9: the threat that it is.
31:39
Speaker 2: Again another example, you know, he said those pro Palestinian
31:42
Speaker 2: chants to globalize the Intifada, that they can have different meanings.
31:46
Speaker 2: He's try to imply that that's an innocent chant when
31:49
Speaker 2: we know it's not.
31:53
Speaker 9: I personally know it's not because I lived through a
31:55
Speaker 9: couple of antifadas, and antifada means in Arabic to shake off,
32:00
Speaker 9: and what it means is an uprising, a violent uprising
32:02
Speaker 9: against Jews. It means that you can go ahead and
32:05
Speaker 9: stab and rummage and you know, blow up bombs on buses.
32:11
Speaker 9: It was a very traumatic time, Sherry, and to all
32:14
Speaker 9: of your viewers. I was a young teen in Israel
32:18
Speaker 9: when need to Fada happened, and I remember a bus
32:21
Speaker 9: that blew up right by my house on Disingof Street
32:24
Speaker 9: and twenty two people were splashed on the on the
32:29
Speaker 9: road by my house. And I mean, it's it's a
32:33
Speaker 9: gruesome sight, and it's it's I remember growing up with
32:37
Speaker 9: a feeling that you can't drive next to a bus.
32:40
Speaker 9: When a bus stops over, you recoil and you have
32:42
Speaker 9: to kind of you run away because they would blow
32:45
Speaker 9: up all the time. That is the Intifada that he
32:49
Speaker 9: wants to globalize.
32:50
Speaker 5: What does that mean?
32:51
Speaker 9: It means open season on Jews all over the world
32:54
Speaker 9: and god knows who else.
32:57
Speaker 2: Just a final question on the state of Israel at
33:00
Speaker 2: meant are you feeling optimistic about Israel's position in the
33:04
Speaker 2: Middle East? And also are you confident that the peace
33:07
Speaker 2: deal that Trump has negotiated will hold well.
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Speaker 9: I'm an optimistic person to begin with, so I will
33:14
Speaker 9: always find the glass half empty in every situation. But
33:18
Speaker 9: we have a very fragile peace plan, right now in place.
33:22
Speaker 9: The Trump Peace Plan is absolutely brilliant because it did
33:25
Speaker 9: something that nobody did before, which is unite the Middle East,
33:28
Speaker 9: not just Israel, but all the our world's world against Hamas.
33:31
Speaker 9: So when you can get Turkey and Katartia agree on
33:34
Speaker 9: something with Saudi Arabia and Egypt, that's got to be
33:37
Speaker 9: something good. The problem is that Hamas has not signed
33:39
Speaker 9: off on this yet, so Hamas is still playing games
33:42
Speaker 9: with Israeli bodies and trying to buy time while strengthening
33:46
Speaker 9: their hold on the Gaza Strip through slaughtering their own people.
33:50
Speaker 9: So it's very very fragile and optimistic if the world
33:54
Speaker 9: community will note to keep the pressure on Hamas and
33:56
Speaker 9: the our world will put the pressure on Hamas to
33:58
Speaker 9: actually move to phase two of this deal, which means
34:01
Speaker 9: he must need to be disarmed and be removed from power.
34:04
Speaker 9: That's what needs to happen for peace to prevail.
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Speaker 2: No a tishbe Thank you so much as always.
34:09
Speaker 9: For your time, Thank you for having me.
34:12
Speaker 2: Well still to come, the revered political journalist Paul Kelly
34:16
Speaker 2: will be here to discuss the Liberal Party's decision on
34:19
Speaker 2: Net zero. He'll join me on the desk. And Andrew
34:22
Speaker 2: Wallace will be here to discuss the latest attempts to
34:26
Speaker 2: finally list his book to Rea as a terrorist organization.
34:30
Speaker 2: That's coming up. Welcome back.
34:35
Speaker 8: Well.
34:36
Speaker 2: Since the coalition's crushing defeat six months ago, the Liberal
34:40
Speaker 2: Party has been more consumed by itself rather than focusing
34:44
Speaker 2: on the Albanezy government. The Australians Editor at Large, Paul
34:47
Speaker 2: Kelly wrights staging a massive immediate post election public disruption
34:52
Speaker 2: about net zero is some of the weirdest, wildest politics
34:56
Speaker 2: seen in decades, letting labor off the hook at the
34:59
Speaker 2: preci nice time. Its vulnerabilities are being exposed on energy prices,
35:05
Speaker 2: uncompetitive industry, the return of inflation and spending excesses. Very
35:12
Speaker 2: well put and I'm pleased to say Paul Kelly joines
35:15
Speaker 2: meat right now. Paul, great to see you, as always,
35:17
Speaker 2: very good to be here. I mean, just ending on
35:19
Speaker 2: that note, it's extraordinary how vulnerable the Albanezy government is
35:24
Speaker 2: on a number of front set, particularly with the inflation
35:27
Speaker 2: figures of last week and the interest rate decision of
35:30
Speaker 2: this week, and yet they aren't being held to account
35:32
Speaker 2: at all.
35:33
Speaker 11: It's extraordinary. I mean, we've got a government now which
35:36
Speaker 11: is running into a lot of dabilities in terms of
35:40
Speaker 11: the economy, in terms of inflation coming back. Cost of
35:44
Speaker 11: living is still going to be here. It's returning is
35:46
Speaker 11: a big issue. The energy transition is in diabolical trouble.
35:51
Speaker 11: We've got rising energy prices. We're now seeing parts of
35:55
Speaker 11: industry shut down. There's a threat to industry, a threat
35:59
Speaker 11: to jobs. We've got major problems on the health front,
36:02
Speaker 11: and the government is totally relaxed. The government is under
36:06
Speaker 11: no political.
36:06
Speaker 6: Pressure at all.
36:08
Speaker 11: This is an act of insanity as far as the
36:11
Speaker 11: coalitionist concerns, one of the most bizarre performances I have
36:15
Speaker 11: ever seen. What should have happened after the election, after
36:18
Speaker 11: that very serious election defeat, They needed discipline, They needed
36:23
Speaker 11: unity above all, they needed to ensure that they held
36:27
Speaker 11: the government to account, exploited all the vulnerabilities of the government,
36:32
Speaker 11: rather than conduct their own internal political civil war over
36:38
Speaker 11: net zero. This wasn't needed at this time. It didn't
36:42
Speaker 11: have to happen at this time. What's the consequence. The
36:45
Speaker 11: consequence is they've lost seven percentage points in terms of
36:49
Speaker 11: the primary vote. I mean, this is completely unprecedented. The
36:53
Speaker 11: public didn't ask for this. This is not part of
36:56
Speaker 11: the attack on the government. All this is self imposed
37:00
Speaker 11: and frankly, it makes no political sense at all.
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Speaker 2: What are your reflections on Susan Lee's leadership and the
37:08
Speaker 2: role that she has played over the past six months
37:12
Speaker 2: in this debacle that we've seen.
37:15
Speaker 11: Well, she's a fragile leader. I mean she won the
37:18
Speaker 11: leadership after the election in a contested ballot, so what
37:23
Speaker 11: was required from Susan Lee was to try and keep
37:27
Speaker 11: the party united. She won on the votes of the
37:32
Speaker 11: moderate so the sensible thing for her to do would
37:34
Speaker 11: have been to reach out to the Conservatives and try
37:38
Speaker 11: to take a few decisions which appeal to the Conservatives.
37:42
Speaker 11: So far, she hasn't done that. I think that's been
37:45
Speaker 11: a major mistake. We've had prominent people now resign and
37:50
Speaker 11: go to the backbench, which indicates that there is a
37:55
Speaker 11: campaign against her leadership. There's no doubt there's a campaign
37:58
Speaker 11: against her leadership. A number of Conservatives of campaigning against her.
38:02
Speaker 11: They are trying to undermine her. The madness of this,
38:05
Speaker 11: of course, is there is no declared alternative at this stage,
38:10
Speaker 11: and there's no one who wants to challenge at this stage.
38:13
Speaker 11: So essentially we have this insane situation where the leader
38:19
Speaker 11: is being pulled apart day by day, yet there's no
38:23
Speaker 11: alternative solution because no one else wants to challenge. So
38:27
Speaker 11: how long will this go on for?
38:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly the foreseeable future, at least several months. Just
38:34
Speaker 2: in terms of the policy position, now, I had I
38:38
Speaker 2: don't know if you saw it, but I had Cameron
38:39
Speaker 2: Milner on the show before. He was one of the
38:42
Speaker 2: architects of the original medi scare campaign. He said, if
38:46
Speaker 2: the Liberals oppose and at zero, there will be the
38:48
Speaker 2: mother of all scare campaigns from Labor. We've started to
38:52
Speaker 2: see some of that rhtric already in question time and
38:55
Speaker 2: in media performances, accusing them of being extremists. Knowing that
38:59
Speaker 2: this scare campaign is coming, do you think it's a
39:03
Speaker 2: wise position for the Liberals to join the Nationals in
39:07
Speaker 2: dumping that zero.
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Speaker 11: They'll have to be a compromise sorted out. I mean,
39:12
Speaker 11: this is a complicated issue. I'd say a few points
39:14
Speaker 11: about this. First of all, it's very important for the
39:19
Speaker 11: Liberals to continue to have a policy that looks credible
39:25
Speaker 11: and tenable in terms of tackling climate change. If you
39:29
Speaker 11: conduct an interview with the Australian public, and ask them
39:32
Speaker 11: do you want to see policies which continue to address
39:36
Speaker 11: the issue of climate change? Seventy or eighty percent of
39:39
Speaker 11: people will say yes. So essentially, what the Liberals have
39:42
Speaker 11: got to do is they've got to devise a policy
39:45
Speaker 11: which is an aggressive attack on the Labor government, which
39:49
Speaker 11: exploits all the problems of the Labor government, but it's
39:52
Speaker 11: still got a degree of credibility when it comes to
39:55
Speaker 11: tackling climate change. I think the policy of the National
39:59
Speaker 11: Party that we've seen so far won't suffice in terms
40:03
Speaker 11: of being a tenable and credible policy for the Liberal Party.
40:08
Speaker 11: The other point to make about this is who is
40:11
Speaker 11: going to conduct the campaign? I mean, if they come
40:13
Speaker 11: down against net zero twenty fifty, there's no way the
40:20
Speaker 11: two leaders at the moment, Susan Lee and David Little
40:23
Speaker 11: Proud could possibly wage an effective campaign against the Albanese government,
40:28
Speaker 11: against the government, the Greens, the Teals, the Independence and
40:31
Speaker 11: all the progressive media. Do we seriously think that Susan
40:35
Speaker 11: Lee and David Little Proud could successfully conduct such a campaign? Again,
40:41
Speaker 11: this is simply not credible. So they have to work
40:45
Speaker 11: out who would conduct the campaign. Now it's obvious who
40:48
Speaker 11: was the most effective spokesman and that's Matt Canavan. He
40:52
Speaker 11: is a cut through politician. But expecting Matt Canavan to
40:56
Speaker 11: lead the campaign is somewhat difficult when he doesn't occupy
41:00
Speaker 11: one of the leadership positions in the coalition.
41:02
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he was just on the show moment ago
41:04
Speaker 2: as well, and I agree with you as a very
41:06
Speaker 2: effective campaign. And when other people say Barnaby Joyce is
41:09
Speaker 2: the greatest retail politician of all time, I think that
41:11
Speaker 2: is nonsense. More sounds like garbled just rubbish comes out
41:15
Speaker 2: of his mouth. It's nonsensical. But Matt is very smart,
41:18
Speaker 2: extremely smart. So anyway, Paul Kelly, your insights are absolutely incredible.
41:24
Speaker 2: As always, an honored to avy on the program.
41:26
Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Thanks so much.
41:28
Speaker 5: Thank you.
41:30
Speaker 2: Now, Paul features in our new documentary which airs the
41:33
Speaker 2: next Tuesday, the eleventh of November at seven thirty pm,
41:36
Speaker 2: The Dismissal fifty Years. You don't want to miss that,
41:41
Speaker 2: all right, But still to come after the break, we
41:43
Speaker 2: have God and Rayner, the man behind the UK Telegraph's
41:47
Speaker 2: incredible investigation into the BBC Don't Go Anywhere. That's next. Well,
41:56
Speaker 2: let's return to the investigation from the UK Telegraph into
41:59
Speaker 2: Bayer at the BBC, and I'm joined now by the
42:02
Speaker 2: journalist who exposed this, the associate editor at the Telegraph,
42:06
Speaker 2: god and Rayner Goden. Congratulations on your incredible scoop. Now
42:11
Speaker 2: let's start with the doctored video of Trump. I mean,
42:14
Speaker 2: how significant was this for the BBC to have misleadingly
42:18
Speaker 2: edited the footage.
42:22
Speaker 5: Well, we think it's incredibly significant. Obviously, the BBC seemed
42:26
Speaker 5: to be able to see that. They're still being extremely
42:30
Speaker 5: quiet about this. They haven't apologized, they haven't said anything
42:34
Speaker 5: about how they intend to make sure this doesn't happen again,
42:37
Speaker 5: and I think that's going to be a problem for
42:39
Speaker 5: them going forward. We now have a parliamentary committee this's
42:42
Speaker 5: looking into this. I suspect that the leadership of the
42:45
Speaker 5: BBC will be called to give evidence before that committee.
42:49
Speaker 5: So I think this has still got a long way
42:52
Speaker 5: to go yet.
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Speaker 2: Look, even from Australia, we've been able to see just
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Speaker 2: how biased the BBC is, even before you're leaked, Darcy. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: particularly and it's reporting of the war in the Middle
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Speaker 2: East over the past two years. What surprised you in
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Speaker 2: this internal report.
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Speaker 5: Well, the Trump thing was the most striking thing. So, look,
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Speaker 5: I've been doing this job for more than thirty years.
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Speaker 5: Not a lot of things surprised me, to be honest.
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Speaker 5: And I was given a copy of this leaked report.
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Speaker 5: I read the section about the Trump documentary. My initial
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Speaker 5: reaction was, which sounds bad, but it's probably not quite
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Speaker 5: as bad as it looks. But then when I actually
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Speaker 5: watched the footage, I was astonished at the way that
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Speaker 5: they had very very carefully spliced together different parts of
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Speaker 5: his speech to make him say something he hadn't said.
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Speaker 5: It kind of felt as though the people who made
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Speaker 5: that program wanted him to have said something, he didn't
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Speaker 5: quite say it, and so they thought we would just
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Speaker 5: make him say it anyway. It's a little bit like
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Speaker 5: if you watch a chrime drama where the the police
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Speaker 5: don't have enough evidence or any evidence, even though they're
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Speaker 5: sure somebody's done something, so they sort of, you know,
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Speaker 5: plant some evidence. We call it fitting up. I don't
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Speaker 5: know if you use that expression there, but it's kind
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Speaker 5: of that's kind of what it is. I was really
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Speaker 5: taken it back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you mentioned that there might be a parliamentary inquiry.
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Speaker 2: What other action could there be and is there any
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Speaker 2: political appetite, because I know in Australia our politicians have
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Speaker 2: no interest in holding the ABC to account our public broadcaster.
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Speaker 2: So what's the political appetite like in the UK?
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Speaker 5: Well, as I mentioned, there is a parliamentary committee that
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Speaker 5: oversees broadcasting that has the ability to launch inquiries into
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Speaker 5: this sort of thing. They have done so so next
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Speaker 5: week very significantly, I think the person who wrote this
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Speaker 5: memo is going to give evidence in public before that committee.
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Speaker 5: I think that will really put bocket boosters under this story.
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Speaker 5: And the same committee has written to Samir Shah, the
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Speaker 5: Chairman of the BBC, asking him to explain all of
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Speaker 5: this and how this has happened. They obviously could call
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Speaker 5: him to give evidence. I suspect they will. They could
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Speaker 5: call Tim Davie, the Director General of the BBC, to
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Speaker 5: give evidence as well, and so that's one avenue. And
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Speaker 5: then the broadcasting regulator Offcom they may well decide to
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Speaker 5: look at this, although the way that the system works
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Speaker 5: is that somebody has to complain to the BBC first
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Speaker 5: and then the BBC has to respond and if they
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Speaker 5: were n't happy with that, they can then appeal to OFFCOM.
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Speaker 5: I suspect that will happen. There is an appetite, particularly
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Speaker 5: among the back bench MPs to get this sorted out.
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Speaker 5: The person who's ultimately responsible as the Colage Secretary, Lisa Nandy.
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Speaker 5: She says she's monitoring the situation. She has told the
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Speaker 5: BBC they need to look into this and so, as
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Speaker 5: I say, I think this has got quite a long
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Speaker 5: way to go yet.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, we might have you back on the
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Speaker 2: show to update us again. Congratulations on the scoop and
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Speaker 2: to your car leagues as well, Alista Heath and others,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much God.
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Speaker 8: And.
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Speaker 2: Many thanks were still to come. The pressure mounts for
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Speaker 2: the Albaneze government to finally list his book to Reer
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Speaker 2: as a terrorist organization. Andrew Wallace will be on the
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Speaker 2: show next and let's bring in now a shadow Attorney General,
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Speaker 2: Andrew Wallace. Andrew, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: Now we heard concerns from the ASIO Director general about
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Speaker 2: his book to Rea this week. Do you think it
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Speaker 2: should now be prescribed as a terrorist organization?
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Speaker 1: Well, Shari.
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Speaker 7: The Coalition of been calling on the government to take
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Speaker 7: a very very hard look at his Bookterier Now for
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Speaker 7: several years.
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Speaker 1: James Patterson, now former.
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Speaker 7: Home Affairs Shadow has been calling for this, and I
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Speaker 7: think what Mike Burgess said on Tuesday night at the
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Speaker 7: Lowe lecture was really putting the federal government on no
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Speaker 7: in only the way that Mike Burgess can.
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Speaker 1: Do very subtly.
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Speaker 7: But you have to look at what Mike Burgess says
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Speaker 7: very carefully, because almost every word he says, he's leaving
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Speaker 7: a message for us, and he's leaving a message, I
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Speaker 7: believe for the government, and that is that his Bootteria
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Speaker 7: have been.
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Speaker 1: Involved in a great deal of.
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Speaker 7: Social unrest, a lot of social cohesion issues in Australia,
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Speaker 7: but they've also been involved in terrorist attacks and overseas.
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Speaker 7: They are listed by the United Kingdom, they are listed
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Speaker 7: by Germany, they're listed by Indonesia.
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Speaker 1: So where you have a group that is.
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Speaker 7: Involved in terrorism doesn't have to be on Australian soil.
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Speaker 1: It can be elsewhere.
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Speaker 7: I think the time has come now for this government
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Speaker 7: to take a very very hard look at his Booteria,
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Speaker 7: and at the moment we're not seeing any activity from
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Speaker 7: this government in the same way that they took no
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Speaker 7: action in relation to the IIGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps.
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Speaker 1: We had to drag the government kicking and screaming.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, well two and a half years, Shari, it's
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Speaker 7: taken them to get to this point and they still
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Speaker 7: haven't listed them.
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Speaker 1: Mind you.
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Speaker 7: All they've done is with the Parliament has passed the
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Speaker 7: mechanical legislation to enable them.
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Speaker 1: To do it.
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Speaker 7: But so that the IIGC is still not listed. That
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Speaker 7: will come in time.
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Speaker 2: Andrew, what do you say about concerns that his Bookteria
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Speaker 2: doesn't meet the legal threshold to be listed as a
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Speaker 2: terrorist group in Australia. Do you think there should be
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Speaker 2: a change of legislation.
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Speaker 7: I don't think it's I don't think it's necessary, Shari.
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Speaker 7: I mean I noted very carefully what Mike Burgess said
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Speaker 7: on Tuesday that his Bookteria walk a very very fine
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Speaker 7: line in the activities that they take on Australian soil.
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Speaker 7: But that's not just that's not necessarily the test for
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Speaker 7: terrorism under the Criminal Code. That the test to be
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Speaker 7: to list an organization as a terrorist organization can also
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Speaker 7: take into account their activities overseas, and clearly when you
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Speaker 7: look at what the United Kingdom, what Germany and Indonesia
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Speaker 7: have done, they've assessed his Wootaria as a terrorist organization
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Speaker 7: and Australia should be having a very very close look
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Speaker 7: at them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, Ultimately.
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Speaker 1: It's a matter for our security agencies.
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Speaker 7: Our security agencies will provide Home Affairs with advice as
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Speaker 7: to whether they think that they've met that threshold, and
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Speaker 7: then the Home Affairs Minister would make that decision to
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Speaker 7: make a recommendation to the Governor General to list them
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Speaker 7: and then it would ultimately become a matter for review
49:48
Speaker 7: for the PJACIS.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, good on you for taking up this fight because
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Speaker 2: it is a group that's reach has been very dangerous,
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Speaker 2: as we spoke about the other night, Andrew Wallace. Really
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Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Thank you everyone
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Speaker 2: for your company this week. I'll see you Monday at
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Speaker 2: eight for another big week of news. See then,