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Episode One Hundred Ninety Nine: Chemical Castration · The Death Of Journalism

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number one hundred and ninety nine of
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Speaker 1: the Death of Journalism podcast. My name is John Zigler.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host of today's show. Kamala Harris shocks the
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Speaker 1: political world by agreeing to a Fox News interview. Her
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Speaker 1: blatantly racist appeal to black men gets even worse. Bill
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Speaker 1: Clinton steps in it on the campaign trail in Georgia,
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Speaker 1: and strong evidence on multiple fronts that the death of
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Speaker 1: journalism may be most pronounced in the coverage of professional football.
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Speaker 1: I make a lot of predictions on this podcast. A
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Speaker 1: lot of them turn out to be true or mostly true.
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Speaker 1: Some of them turn out to be mostly or not
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Speaker 1: totally false. I try to keep track of as many
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Speaker 1: of them as I can and revisit as warranted well.
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Speaker 1: I made another wrong prediction when Kamala Harris began her
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Speaker 1: series of media interviews. I thought that there was going
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Speaker 1: to be this Barrah in about a week of doing
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Speaker 1: different interviews from sixty Minutes to call her Daddy, to
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Speaker 1: Howard Stern, to a whole bunch of other places, that
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Speaker 1: then there would be a pause until about the last
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Speaker 1: week to ten days of the election, and then there
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Speaker 1: would be another barrage of interviews. I also thought there
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Speaker 1: was no chance she was going to do an interview
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Speaker 1: with a conservative media outlet like, for instance, Fox News Channel.
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Speaker 1: I was wrong on both those counts, because by the
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Speaker 1: time you hear this, Kamala Harris will have already done
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Speaker 1: an interview on Fox News Channel taped, although apparently going
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Speaker 1: to be aired unedited, an interview done by Brett Baer
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Speaker 1: of Fox News Channel. Now, this was surprising to me. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: I predicted that this would not happen. A lot of
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Speaker 1: people were surprised by this. Obviously, I have no idea
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Speaker 1: how that interview as of this taping as gone or
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Speaker 1: will go, because I tape before the interview is even
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Speaker 1: done or will air. But unfortunately, because of the delay
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Speaker 1: between the time that I tape this and the time
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Speaker 1: that you hear it, you will already know how the
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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris with interview with Brett Baer went. I think
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Speaker 1: that this is potentially important. I agree with those who
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Speaker 1: say that this is an indication another indication we went
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Speaker 1: through many of them in the.
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Speaker 2: Last episode of the podcast, that the.
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Speaker 1: Harris campaign is not at all comfortable with where they
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Speaker 1: are with regard to the state of the race. It's
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Speaker 1: hard to understand. It's hard to argue that if the
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Speaker 1: Harris campaign was really very confident about where they currently stand,
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Speaker 1: which is a couple of weeks left to go in
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Speaker 1: the campaign and with voting already started, that they would decide,
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Speaker 1: you know what, let's roll the dice and let's put
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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, who, let's face it, is not particularly good
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Speaker 1: at these types of interviews into a much more difficult
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Speaker 1: environment than she's probably ever faced, certainly as a candidate. Now,
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Speaker 1: she did have a difficult sixty minutes interview. Although that
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Speaker 1: was a softer touch difficult interview. Some of the subjects,
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Speaker 1: some of the questions were difficult. She didn't completely vombit,
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Speaker 1: but she certainly didn't have any good answers for difficult questions,
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Speaker 1: some of which have no real good answers. But for
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Speaker 1: her to go in front of Brett behar who's not
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Speaker 1: a super tough questioner, but he's a professional, he knows
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Speaker 1: he's going to have an awful lot of pressure on
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Speaker 1: himself to be tough on her. That's maybe the most
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Speaker 1: interesting part of this interview is that you almost wonder
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Speaker 1: whether or not Fox News and Brett Beher were hesitant
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Speaker 1: to do this. Now, I'm sure that they were eager
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Speaker 1: to do it. It's obviously a huge deal. It's going
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Speaker 1: to get big ratings, it's prestigious, and it might even
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Speaker 1: theoretic have an impact on the campaign. But I agree
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Speaker 1: with those who say that Brett bhar has a lot
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Speaker 1: to lose here because if he allows Harris to go
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Speaker 1: through thirty minutes completely unscathed, that's going to cause damage
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Speaker 1: for him. So he has, I think an enormous amount
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Speaker 1: of pressure to at least leave a mark on her. Now,
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Speaker 1: he is not a very aggressive questioner. That doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: he's not a good questioner. Sometimes the best way to
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Speaker 1: do this is to not be overtly aggressive, and I
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Speaker 1: think that he will be fair.
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Speaker 2: I think he will be.
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Speaker 1: Tough, probably as tough as Bill Whittaker, maybe even a
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Speaker 1: little tougher than that. I actually think that Harris is
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the strategy here. My guess is that
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Speaker 1: they are going to plan for her. If they have
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Speaker 1: a strategy here, they are going to plan for her
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Speaker 1: to get a mic drop viral moment where she can
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Speaker 1: go after Fox News Channel or or after the conservative
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Speaker 1: media in probably a pre staged or canned way. I
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Speaker 1: think they're going to want to show her standing up
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Speaker 1: the Fox News Channel and rally her troops with that,
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Speaker 1: because obviously the Democratic base hates Fox News Channel. My
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Speaker 1: guess is that everybody will get some victories, everyone will
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Speaker 1: take some losses in this. Both sides will declare some
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Speaker 1: semblance of victory. Liberals will say, see, she survived Fox
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Speaker 1: News Channel, just like she survived sixty minutes, while conservatives
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Speaker 1: and Trump fans will say, my god, she didn't answer
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Speaker 1: this question or that question, or can you believe how
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Speaker 1: poorly this exchange went for Harris. So my guess is
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Speaker 1: everyone's going to get something that they want. But I
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Speaker 1: do think that there is risk for both Harris and
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Speaker 1: for bear slash Fox News Channel here, and it will
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Speaker 1: be interesting. I mean, this has the potential to be
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Speaker 1: one of the more interesting media moments of the entire campaign,
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Speaker 1: if not the most influential, because she does have a
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Speaker 1: lot to lose here and he does as well. Specifically,
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Speaker 1: Harris has a lot to lose when it comes to
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Speaker 1: moderate voters, maybe female Republican voters, suburban women voters who
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Speaker 1: are generally on her side, especially for instance, in the
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Speaker 1: suburbs of Philadelphia, which I think is a key voting
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Speaker 1: demographic when it comes to determining who's going to win
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Speaker 1: this selection, who's going to win the state of Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: I mean, these are people who still watch Fox News
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Speaker 1: Channel occasionally. Take Fox News Channel seriously, don't automatically discount
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Speaker 1: everything that happens on Fox News Channel. And so I
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Speaker 1: mean there is risk here she could if it goes
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Speaker 1: very badly, it could really hurt her with one of
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Speaker 1: her key voting demographics, which is moderate or you know
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Speaker 1: what Trump fans would call Rhino Republicans, especially those that
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Speaker 1: are female.
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Speaker 2: And so there's risk there. Now.
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Speaker 1: Of course, if she does very, very well, that group
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Speaker 1: will be shored up, and you know, she will also
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Speaker 1: put to bed this idea that she can't handle a
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Speaker 1: tough interview that she's hiding. She's even tried to turn
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Speaker 1: that narrative around now that Trump has bailed on sixty
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Speaker 1: Minutes and has bailed for some reason which I do
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Speaker 1: not understand, at least temporarily on CNBC, which has been
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Speaker 1: very pro Trump and anti Harris in a lot of
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Speaker 1: their coverage. So I think this is an interesting situation.
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Speaker 1: I think it's important. By the way, I've been asked
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Speaker 1: on News Nation to discuss this interview, so that'll have
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Speaker 1: happened before you get to hear this pot cast. Apparently
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Speaker 1: Heraldo and Rivera and I are scheduled to go at
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Speaker 1: it on how the Brett Bear Fox News Channel interview did,
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Speaker 1: so you know, check my Twitter feed for any links
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Speaker 1: on how that actually goes. So I'm I am very curious.
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Speaker 1: I am very interested. I don't think we're going to
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Speaker 1: see a knockout in either direction, but I am very,
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Speaker 1: very very interested to see what questions Brett behar asks.
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Speaker 1: And Brettbear actually went on Twitter to allow people to
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Speaker 1: make suggestions for what questions he should ask Kamala Harris
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Speaker 1: during this interview, and you know, for shits and giggles,
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Speaker 1: not expecting at all that among the hundreds of not
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Speaker 1: thousands of people who responded, I just as a normal person,
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Speaker 1: responded with the following three questions. And I picked these
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Speaker 1: three questions not because they would be the most dramatic
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Speaker 1: or the best gotcha questions, because I don't think he's
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Speaker 1: gonna do gotcha questions. I think these are very legitimate
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Speaker 1: questions that Harris has never been asked that.
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Speaker 2: Would elicit a lot.
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Speaker 1: Of information potentially from Kamala Harris. And you know, as
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Speaker 1: someone who's done a lot of interviews to me, and
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Speaker 1: I've learned this a long time ago. It took a
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Speaker 1: long it took a while for me to learn this,
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Speaker 1: but I did learn it a long time ago that
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Speaker 1: the best questions when it comes to interviews are not
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Speaker 1: to be judged by the question itself, especially in a
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Speaker 1: situation like this. A great question or a bad question
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Speaker 1: should be evaluated in the response that it elicits. So
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Speaker 1: you don't you don't judge a question based upon Okay,
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Speaker 1: here's the question.
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Speaker 2: Boy, that was a great question, great topic.
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Speaker 1: It was very well structured, and you know, well that
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Speaker 1: was a great gotcha question.
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Speaker 2: Well, if it doesn't get except.
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Speaker 1: In rare circumstances, if it doesn't get an interesting or
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Speaker 1: provocative response or response that really tells you something new,
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Speaker 1: that reveals new information, then it wasn't really that great
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Speaker 1: a question. Because when I was young and dumb and
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Speaker 1: just starting out in journalism, I thought it was all
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Speaker 1: about the question, and then eventually I realized, no, it's
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Speaker 1: about the response that you get. It doesn't have to
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Speaker 1: be a great question on paper to be a great
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Speaker 1: question in reality, and the inverse is true as well.
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Speaker 1: And I think these are three questions that would really
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Speaker 1: be interesting to see how Harris would respond to them.
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Speaker 1: They would really tell us a lot about Kamala Harris. Now,
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Speaker 1: the first one might be a little bit of a
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Speaker 1: gotcha question, but it's a topic that's so important and
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Speaker 1: has been so generally ignored by the news media and
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Speaker 1: about which she has never been really asked that I
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Speaker 1: think it would be imperative of you. On behalf, it
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Speaker 1: would be imperative that Brett Baer would actually ask the question,
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Speaker 1: because no one else is going to If he doesn't
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Speaker 1: ask it, no one else is. And that question is
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Speaker 1: as follows, At what point, Madame Vice President, did you
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Speaker 1: first suspect that Joe Biden was not physically capable of
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Speaker 1: winning this election and serving another term? And why did
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Speaker 1: you stay silent about it? Now that might seem a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a gotcha and some may say, well, no,
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Speaker 1: I've never determined, I've never believed that he was physically
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Speaker 1: incapable of winning or serving another term.
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Speaker 2: Well, then the follow up is very obvious.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so then why did Joe Biden withdraw from the race?
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Speaker 1: Why did that happen? Can we at least get her
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Speaker 1: to pick a lane? So that's a subject that she
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Speaker 1: has never been forced to fully address, the so called
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Speaker 1: Biden coup and what I call the Harris switcherou but
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Speaker 1: specifically about the cover up that led to the Biden coup.
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Speaker 1: She clearly had to be part of that. She's his
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Speaker 1: vice president by his description in hers, she is in
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Speaker 1: all the meetings, in all the decision making. She wouldn't
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Speaker 1: change anything in the four years almost that she's been
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Speaker 1: vice president that the Biden administration has done.
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Speaker 2: They are tied at the hip.
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Speaker 1: So therefore she would have to know if he was
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Speaker 1: experiencing a mental decline so dramatic that he could not
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Speaker 1: win the election and or he could not serve a
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Speaker 1: second term. So when did you first suspect that? And
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Speaker 1: why did you stay silent? And if you don't believe that,
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Speaker 1: if you're not willing to say that that's why he
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Speaker 1: dropped out of the race and handed you the nomination,
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Speaker 1: then why did Biden get out of the race?
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Speaker 2: Why did that happen?
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Speaker 1: And again, the main reason I think Bear should ask
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Speaker 1: that is because no one else has. It's incredibly important
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Speaker 1: both from a historical perspective, as well as just learning
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Speaker 1: what the hell the truth is and forcing Harris to
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Speaker 1: pick a lane. Which is it what we've heard her
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Speaker 1: say constantly, Oh, it was a selfless decision. He put
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Speaker 1: the country over his own personal ambitions. Okay, why what happened?
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Speaker 1: So are you saying he was going to lose? What
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Speaker 1: are you saying there?
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Speaker 2: That's the way I would ask the question. That would
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Speaker 2: be number one.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that that specific question is going to
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Speaker 1: be asked, although it wouldn't surprise me if that subject
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Speaker 1: is broached in probably a bit more benign fashion than
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Speaker 1: I have proposed. My second question that I suggested in
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Speaker 1: Brett Bear's Twitter feed is should America be guided more
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Speaker 1: by the goal of equality of opportunity or by equity
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Speaker 1: of outcome? Now, this, to me, this question is gold
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Speaker 1: because it doesn't seem like it's a real gotcha, and
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Speaker 1: it's pretty simple and the answer is clear cut. And
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Speaker 1: I don't know how Harris would respond to that, but
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Speaker 1: I do know we would learn a lot. I know
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Speaker 1: we would learn a lot because that, to me is
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Speaker 1: the number one philosophical question of this campaign, and one
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Speaker 1: that I think that Trump forces have really blown it on,
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Speaker 1: not even remotely engaging on this, because I believe that
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Speaker 1: most of America, especially in the Swing States, is still
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Speaker 1: in the equality of opportunity camp. But I believe that Harris,
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Speaker 1: based upon especially your twenty twenty presidential campaign, is in
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Speaker 1: the equity of outcome camp. An equity of outcome and
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Speaker 1: equality of opportunity are two totally different things in it
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Speaker 1: and those two concepts, and the difference between them is
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Speaker 1: at the crux of where we are headed in this country.
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Speaker 1: We are headed in one path or the other. We
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Speaker 1: are at a crossroads right now. In fact, we may
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Speaker 1: have even gone beyond the crossroads towards equity of outcome
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Speaker 1: in the DEI era, And if Harris wins, we are
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Speaker 1: clearly down the path of equity of outcome. So which
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Speaker 1: is it? Which do you philosophically most believe eve is
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Speaker 1: the path that America should pursue. Should we be guided
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Speaker 1: more by the goal of equality of opportunity or by
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Speaker 1: equity of outcome? That question, I'm very confident is not
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Speaker 1: going to be asked by Brettbaher, but it would be,
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Speaker 1: in my view, spectacular because of the response that it
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Speaker 1: would elicit and what we would learn from Harris and
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Speaker 1: her potential presidency.
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Speaker 2: Number three.
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Speaker 1: This is somewhat related to number two, but I think
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Speaker 1: the question should be asked, if you love America so much,
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Speaker 1: and she has talked often about how much she loves America,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you've heard this, but
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Speaker 1: she grew up as a middle class kid, so that's
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Speaker 1: partially why she loves America. But if you love America
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Speaker 1: so much, why should we be quote unburdened by what
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Speaker 1: has been? A phrase that Harris has used dozens and
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Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of times. Interestingly, I have not heard
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Speaker 1: her use it recently. I'm not even one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: sure she's ever used it directly once she became the
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Speaker 1: Democratic presidential nominee, because I think she's afraid of it,
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Speaker 1: or at least her advisors are afraid of it, because
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Speaker 1: that phrase has been associated with Marxism, you know, to
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Speaker 1: see what can be unburdened by what has been?
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Speaker 2: What does that mean exactly?
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Speaker 1: That would be my I guess the subtext of that question,
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Speaker 1: If you love America so much, why should we be
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Speaker 1: unburdened by what has been? And what does that mean exactly?
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Speaker 1: So those are the three questions, and there are many
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Speaker 1: others that I would love to ask Harris, or I
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Speaker 1: would love to see Bear ask Harris. I doubt that
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Speaker 1: any of those three will be asked directly, but I
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Speaker 1: will certainly be watching one because I'll be doing this
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Speaker 1: News Nation appearance with Heraldo Rivera, which is rather bizarre,
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Speaker 1: but also because I do think it's potentially significant when
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Speaker 1: it comes to the direction this campaign is going to go.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this election is on a razor's edge, a
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Speaker 1: razor's edge, and so any little impact could decide it,
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Speaker 1: and I think this interview has the potential. I'm not
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Speaker 1: predicting that it will has the potential to have some
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Speaker 1: real impact, and of course we will talk about it
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Speaker 1: in the next episode of the podcast.
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Speaker 2: Now. Paris did do an interview.
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Speaker 1: With a black radio talk show host by name of
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Speaker 1: Charlemagne de God and this was interesting as well for
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Speaker 1: a couple of different reasons. The clip that has gotten
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Speaker 1: the most attention, at least on social media, at least
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Speaker 1: among conservatives was the one related to reparations and whether
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Speaker 1: or not black people should be paid by the federal
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Speaker 1: government reparations because of the damage that I guess they're
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Speaker 1: great grandparents felt or maybe their grandparents that directly felt
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Speaker 1: because of the history of slavery in this country, and
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Speaker 1: I guess because of the lack of civil rights that
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Speaker 1: black people have not had or have had foisted upon
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Speaker 1: them for much of the history of this country. And
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Speaker 1: you know, this is obviously as much of a hot
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Speaker 1: button topic as it gets. I think the idea of
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Speaker 1: reparations is abhorrent, especially in twenty twenty four. I think
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Speaker 1: we've already paid reparations in many, many ways. This goes
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Speaker 1: to the whole equality of opportunity versus equity of outcome debate.
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Speaker 1: Those who are on Harris's side who think that it
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Speaker 1: should be all about equity of outcome, think that, well,
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Speaker 1: we clearly haven't paid enough reparations because we haven't seen
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Speaker 1: equity of outcome yet that's their goal, equity of outcome,
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Speaker 1: because they cannot see, or at least cannot admit that
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Speaker 1: there is any legitimate reason for all the races to
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Speaker 1: be exactly equitable in their outcomes unless there is racism involved.
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Speaker 2: That's at the core of this.
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Speaker 1: They think it's inherently any inequity.
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Speaker 2: Has to be because of systemic racism. That's what they believe.
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Speaker 1: And so because even though we've had a society now
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Speaker 1: where two generations, maybe even three, depending on how you
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Speaker 1: define it, have had full rights in this country and
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Speaker 1: sometimes even advantages in this country if you're a minority,
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Speaker 1: even though we've gone through two and a half at
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Speaker 1: least generations of living in this world, we haven't seen
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Speaker 1: equity of outcome yet. So now we have to go further.
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Speaker 1: And the only way to do this, in the minds
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Speaker 1: of some on the far left, is to pay reparations.
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Speaker 1: And Charlemagne to God asked Paris about this, and here's
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Speaker 1: what that sounded like.
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Speaker 3: My caution to you is, what's your stance on reparations.
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Speaker 3: We all know that America became great, you know, off
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Speaker 3: the backs of free black labor. How progressive are you
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Speaker 3: on making it a priority and right in America's wrongs.
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Speaker 3: It's understood that you are running for president for all
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Speaker 3: people of America. Asking for specifics for black communities doesn't
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Speaker 3: mean don't do for others. But Black Americans are heavily
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Speaker 3: asked to vote Democrat and every election for over half
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Speaker 3: a century, with very little in return. What are your
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Speaker 3: plans to address these very important issues and change that narrative.
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Speaker 4: Make you Zeke, I appreciate that, thank you, and thank
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Speaker 4: you for your work. So to your point, yes, I
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Speaker 4: am running to be a president for all Americans. That
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Speaker 4: being said, I do have clear on about the disparities
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Speaker 4: that exist and the context in which they exist, meaning history.
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Speaker 4: To your point, so my agenda, well, first of all,
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Speaker 4: on the plane of reparations, it has to be studied,
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Speaker 4: There's no question about that, and I've been very clear
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Speaker 4: about that position. In terms of my immediate plan, I
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Speaker 4: will tell you a few of the following one as
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Speaker 4: it relates to the economy, which is a lot of
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Speaker 4: what you have addressed. Look, I grew up in the
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Speaker 4: middle class. My mother, you know, worked hard, raised me
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Speaker 4: and my sister, and by the time I was in
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Speaker 4: high school she was able to afford our first.
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Speaker 1: Now, I don't think that Harris's answer there helps her
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Speaker 1: at all because to people who want reparations, first of all,
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Speaker 1: they're probably voting for her anyway, so it's not a
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Speaker 1: huge deal, but they're not going to be satisfied with
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Speaker 1: that answer that this needs to be studied. By the way,
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Speaker 1: that was what California, her home state, just did they study,
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Speaker 1: and then they decided, well, we're going to apologize and
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Speaker 1: do some things on the periphery, but we're not going
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Speaker 1: to actually pay reparations. Of course, California was a free
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Speaker 1: state where slavery was never even legal. So how the
23:11
Speaker 1: hell this makes any goddamn sense, I don't know. But
23:15
Speaker 1: we've already seen this play before. Let's study it, let's
23:21
Speaker 1: placate these people, pat them on the head, and we're
23:24
Speaker 1: not going to actually pull the trigger because we're afraid
23:27
Speaker 1: of this issue. This is one of those issues that
23:30
Speaker 1: might actually make us pay a price. There might be
23:34
Speaker 1: some people who are not black, like whites and Asians
23:39
Speaker 1: who will be pissed off enough to actually turn against
23:43
Speaker 1: us when it comes to the ballot box. So her
23:47
Speaker 1: saying we're gonna study it, I don't think helps her
23:50
Speaker 1: with her core audience, But it also doesn't help her
23:54
Speaker 1: with moderate whites, who if they hear this, they're gonna
23:57
Speaker 1: be like what, because this is not a subject that
24:00
Speaker 1: unless you are a far lefty to begin.
24:03
Speaker 2: With, is going to resonate with you.
24:06
Speaker 1: It's just not I mean, this is this the average person,
24:10
Speaker 1: to the common sense person, this makes no sense because
24:15
Speaker 1: there are no people who are alive who were ever
24:18
Speaker 1: enslaved or even close to it, And the most people
24:24
Speaker 1: also understand that we have gone to great lens already
24:28
Speaker 1: to try to fix our past mistakes. No one is
24:33
Speaker 1: suggesting that black people did not suffer in this country
24:37
Speaker 1: because of systemic problems, and no one suggesting, by the way,
24:42
Speaker 1: that all racism has been removed from society in all directions.
24:49
Speaker 1: Of course, there's still racism, unfortunately, that's human nature. But
24:54
Speaker 1: as far as the government paying people tax money directly
24:59
Speaker 1: because of the color of their skin, I don't even
25:02
Speaker 1: First of all, logistically, I don't even know how you
25:04
Speaker 1: would do this. That's one of the major problems. But philosophically,
25:07
Speaker 1: this is abhorrent. It's anti American, it's divisive, and where
25:13
Speaker 1: does it stop.
25:15
Speaker 2: It never ends.
25:16
Speaker 1: And we've seen now that we've gone in the opposite
25:19
Speaker 1: direction on race relations post Obama presidency. I've talked about
25:23
Speaker 1: this many many times, where the left when so bananas
25:26
Speaker 1: with Trump's election that we went.
25:29
Speaker 2: Backwards when it came to race.
25:32
Speaker 1: They saw Trump replacing Obama as such an act of
25:37
Speaker 1: racism by the voters of America that my god, you know,
25:42
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose our God, or we're gonna lose our
25:44
Speaker 1: minds trying to overreact to this, and now instead of
25:47
Speaker 1: trying to pursue, you know, the Martin Luther King philosophy
25:51
Speaker 1: of a colorblind society, We're gonna make everything about color,
25:55
Speaker 1: everything about gender, and we're never gonna stop. What was
25:59
Speaker 1: supposed to to end this was the Obama presidency, and
26:02
Speaker 1: in fact, it did exactly the opposite. And so I
26:08
Speaker 1: don't know why Harris would go down this path. I mean,
26:13
Speaker 1: she's trying to thread a needle that I don't think
26:14
Speaker 1: could be threaded. But it is clearly consistent with this
26:20
Speaker 1: new campaign strategy of trying to directly appeal to black voters,
26:26
Speaker 1: specifically black men, in a way that is so overtly
26:30
Speaker 1: and obviously racist that even I can't believe she's getting
26:35
Speaker 1: away with it. And I'm stunned that the Trump campaign
26:38
Speaker 1: is seemingly, at least as of this taping, letting her
26:41
Speaker 1: get away with it. As I said in the last
26:44
Speaker 1: episode of the podcast, if Trump ever did any of
26:47
Speaker 1: the things that Harris is doing to try to appeal
26:50
Speaker 1: directly to black men with white men, he would be
26:55
Speaker 1: labeled a KKK member, a racist. It would be twenty
26:59
Speaker 1: four to seven news coverage, there would be massive outrage.
27:02
Speaker 2: And instead, the news media is.
27:05
Speaker 1: Frankly applauding Harris for pandering to black men. And she
27:11
Speaker 1: has put out this bullet point plan which is basically
27:16
Speaker 1: an effort to buy off the votes of black men,
27:20
Speaker 1: because apparently they must have internal polling that indicates that
27:25
Speaker 1: black men are not enthused about Kamala Harris and that
27:28
Speaker 1: they may actually vote for Trump. I actually think that
27:31
Speaker 1: the polling on this does not substantiate this level of panic.
27:36
Speaker 1: I did not quite understand why Obama publicly scolded black men,
27:40
Speaker 1: and I don't understand why Harris is expending potentially so
27:44
Speaker 1: much political capital on this blatantly racist effort to buy
27:49
Speaker 1: off the votes of black men. But here are some
27:52
Speaker 1: of the bullet points that she released under the head
27:55
Speaker 1: and kamal arras will create an opportunity agenda for black men.
28:03
Speaker 1: Bullet point one, provide one million dollars one million loans,
28:06
Speaker 1: one million dollar loans, one million loans that are fully forgivable. Way,
28:11
Speaker 1: where the hell did the number one million come from?
28:15
Speaker 1: Just out of somebody's backside. Provide one million loans that
28:18
Speaker 1: are fully forgivable up to twenty thousand dollars for black
28:23
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and others to start a business.
28:26
Speaker 2: Now, what does that even mean?
28:27
Speaker 1: And by the way, how do you determine if you're
28:30
Speaker 1: a black entrepreneur?
28:32
Speaker 2: You know what that really means in the real world.
28:35
Speaker 2: We've already seen this.
28:37
Speaker 1: You know, when this kind of stuff started to become
28:40
Speaker 1: very popular, it became the Full Employment Act for black
28:44
Speaker 1: people to be CEOs or head of corporations so that
28:51
Speaker 1: corporation can qualify.
28:52
Speaker 2: For all sorts of benefits. So that's what this sounds
28:56
Speaker 2: like to me.
28:57
Speaker 1: But you get a forgivable twenty eight thousand dollars loans,
29:01
Speaker 1: so they're basically just gonna be pay you twenty thousand
29:04
Speaker 1: dollars to start up a business. If you have somebody
29:09
Speaker 1: who has what enough pigmentation in their skin?
29:12
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you define black?
29:14
Speaker 1: No one ever wants to talk about this stuff, but
29:16
Speaker 1: this is this is ludicrous. This opens up a Pandora's
29:21
Speaker 1: box that has no end, that has all sorts of
29:26
Speaker 1: unfortunate and devastating impacts that no one wants to talk about.
29:33
Speaker 1: Bull Point number two support education, training, and mentorship programs
29:37
Speaker 1: that lead to good paying jobs for black men, for
29:40
Speaker 1: black men. By the way, what are black jobs? Remember
29:46
Speaker 1: when Trump talked about black jobs and it was a scandal.
29:50
Speaker 1: Joe Biden couldn't stop talking about it. What's a black job?
29:54
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
29:55
Speaker 1: How dare you talk about black jobs? Here we are
30:00
Speaker 1: us talking about good paying jobs for black men, including
30:05
Speaker 1: pathways to become teachers.
30:08
Speaker 2: By the way, I would actually support that.
30:10
Speaker 1: I think that that would be incredibly important if more
30:13
Speaker 1: black men were public school teachers.
30:16
Speaker 2: That I can.
30:16
Speaker 1: Get behind if done properly, no problem with that. I
30:20
Speaker 1: support that as a goal. Next bullet point, protect cryptocurrency
30:28
Speaker 1: investments so black men who make them know their money
30:33
Speaker 1: is safe.
30:34
Speaker 2: What the fuck is that? So the way? I mean,
30:39
Speaker 2: there's so many problems with that.
30:41
Speaker 1: So so we're gonna we're gonna go out of our
30:44
Speaker 1: way to protect cryptocurrency because we are. Polling shows that
30:48
Speaker 1: some black men are invested in cryptocurrency. What about the
30:54
Speaker 1: white men, or the Asian men, or the white women,
30:57
Speaker 1: or the Asian women, or.
30:58
Speaker 2: The Hispanic men and the arsthmatic with me? Don't they matter?
31:02
Speaker 2: This is so racist?
31:05
Speaker 1: Next bullet point launch a national health initiative focused on
31:10
Speaker 1: the illnesses that disproportionately.
31:12
Speaker 2: Impact black men.
31:15
Speaker 1: By the way, if done properly, I'm sure it wouldn't
31:19
Speaker 1: be I have no problem with this one because I
31:23
Speaker 1: actually believe and this is just a theory, this is
31:26
Speaker 1: just based upon common sense and my understanding of human nature.
31:30
Speaker 2: I actually think that.
31:33
Speaker 1: Fear of being seen as racist has negatively impacted the
31:41
Speaker 1: healthcare of black people, because the last thing you're gonna
31:48
Speaker 1: do in academia or medicine is pursue a situation where
31:55
Speaker 1: you may have to say, well, you know, genetically, there's
32:00
Speaker 1: a difference with black people that needs to be taken
32:05
Speaker 1: care of, and this is why they're more vulnerable to
32:08
Speaker 1: this particular disease, like, for instance, sickle cele anemia. Like
32:12
Speaker 1: why would you ever study or try to solve the
32:14
Speaker 1: problem of sickle cele anemia. It's basically career death if
32:19
Speaker 1: you say the wrong thing, because we have created rules
32:25
Speaker 1: surrounding race that are incredibly precarious. Now, I don't know
32:29
Speaker 1: to what extent that has impacted the lack of progress
32:33
Speaker 1: when it comes to illnesses that disproportionately impact black men.
32:38
Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons for that.
32:39
Speaker 1: There's economic elements to that, there's all sorts of reasons
32:43
Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with racism. But to me,
32:46
Speaker 1: I've always I've felt this way for a long time
32:49
Speaker 1: that one of the unintended consequences of us creating this culture,
32:53
Speaker 1: this environment where everyone's terrified of being called a racist,
32:57
Speaker 1: is why would you pursue this kind of work?
33:03
Speaker 2: Why bother? The risk is not worth the reward.
33:07
Speaker 1: And then there's the final bullet point on this agenda
33:12
Speaker 1: that Harris has buying off the votes of black men.
33:16
Speaker 1: Legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for black Americans to
33:23
Speaker 1: succeed in this new industry.
33:26
Speaker 2: Holy crap, Holy crap. Can you imagine?
33:33
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if Trump laid out an agenda to
33:37
Speaker 1: try to help black men and he put on the
33:41
Speaker 1: list it's only a list of five items. He put
33:45
Speaker 1: on the list. Hey, we need to really expand the
33:51
Speaker 1: issue of legalized recreational marijuana because we've heard that black
33:57
Speaker 1: men like to smoke weed. Can you imagine what the
34:01
Speaker 1: reaction would be for that? I mean, this laundry.
34:06
Speaker 2: List is so racist.
34:09
Speaker 1: I frankly, after the marijuana bullet point, I was looking for, Okay,
34:13
Speaker 1: where's the investment in public basketball courts and watermelon farms.
34:19
Speaker 1: That's how racist this is, or at least how racist
34:23
Speaker 1: it would be seen if it was put out by
34:26
Speaker 1: a Republican, especially a Republican named Donald Trump.
34:31
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really astonishing. And yet the media is.
34:35
Speaker 1: Going, oh, yeah, that's interesting. Wow, yeah, boy. She must
34:40
Speaker 1: have a problem with black men. Boy, those black men.
34:42
Speaker 1: They must be misogynists if they're not understanding how great
34:46
Speaker 1: it would be to vote for a woman of color
34:48
Speaker 1: named Kamala Harris. I mean, it's Alice in Wonderland stuff here,
34:53
Speaker 1: And how and why is Trump and the Trump campaign
34:58
Speaker 1: not jumping all over this? To me, this is manna
35:02
Speaker 1: from heaven, especially in some of the key swing states.
35:09
Speaker 2: I mean, when you look at this.
35:10
Speaker 1: From a purely political calculus perspective, Kamala Harris is making
35:17
Speaker 1: herself unbelievably vulnerable with a certain set of white and
35:22
Speaker 1: Asian voters, all to prevent a very small loss of
35:29
Speaker 1: black voters. The number of black male voters we're talking
35:34
Speaker 1: about here.
35:36
Speaker 2: Is, in my view, minuscule, minuscule.
35:39
Speaker 1: I do not understand the political calculus here that you
35:43
Speaker 1: would expose yourself so overtly panders so obviously in such
35:50
Speaker 1: a clearly racist fashion in a way that interrational world
35:55
Speaker 1: is going to theoretically offend a lot of moderate voters
36:00
Speaker 1: of all races. Why would you do this, And if
36:04
Speaker 1: you're the Trump campaign, why would you not immediately attack
36:09
Speaker 1: with everything you have on this?
36:12
Speaker 2: I mean, again going back to the politics of this.
36:16
Speaker 1: Yes, black voters are gonna matter a lot in Michigan.
36:20
Speaker 1: They're gonna matter almost as much in Pennsylvania. They're gonna
36:24
Speaker 1: matter in North Carolina. They're gonna matter.
36:26
Speaker 2: A lot in Georgia. Okay, I get all that black
36:32
Speaker 2: men voters.
36:33
Speaker 1: The difference between Harris getting the normal number of black
36:39
Speaker 1: mail voters and getting some lesser number based upon this
36:44
Speaker 1: perception that I think is overblown that Trump is doing
36:47
Speaker 1: well with black males is okay, significant in a very
36:52
Speaker 1: close election, But we're only dealing with nationally. Obviously, African
36:58
Speaker 1: Americans are thirteen percent of the population, so about half
37:01
Speaker 1: of that would be black males. So as far as
37:06
Speaker 1: the voting population is probably even slightly less than that
37:09
Speaker 1: based upon turnout models. So we're dealing with a very
37:13
Speaker 1: small portion of the population. Yes, larger in Georgia, Yes,
37:18
Speaker 1: probably larger in Michigan, parts of North Carolina, parts of Pennsylvania.
37:22
Speaker 1: But we're still we're dealing with far less than ten
37:25
Speaker 1: percent of the population, and the difference between her getting
37:30
Speaker 1: the normal blackmail vote and getting some lesser amount based
37:34
Speaker 1: upon this new narrative, It's what I'm off the top
37:38
Speaker 1: of my head, I'm thinking maybe one percent of the
37:41
Speaker 1: total vote, maybe two percent. But if this became an
37:47
Speaker 1: issue and it was seen through the prism that it should,
37:51
Speaker 1: which obviously is a huge if because the news media
37:54
Speaker 1: is not going to do any of the heavy lifting
37:56
Speaker 1: on this. But I think the potential here is for
38:00
Speaker 1: Trump to make much larger gains among white and Asian
38:05
Speaker 1: voters and maybe Hispanic voters in Arizona and Nevada, then
38:11
Speaker 1: Harris has the gain when it comes to blackmail voters.
38:15
Speaker 1: I mean, it's this basic, simple math. And from what
38:20
Speaker 1: I can tell, this has not been a huge focus
38:24
Speaker 1: of the Trump campaign. Now, maybe they're still gonna make
38:27
Speaker 1: it one I don't know, But there are so many
38:31
Speaker 1: opportunities here because Harris is being so overt about this,
38:36
Speaker 1: and because her own personal biography, her own personal biography
38:44
Speaker 1: is so vulnerable to this, because she's literally the personification
38:49
Speaker 1: of DEI. She's the personification of DEI, and she's not
38:54
Speaker 1: actually African American, and so here she is. She has
38:59
Speaker 1: benefit from being a woman of color her entire career,
39:04
Speaker 1: up to and including her getting the vice presidential nomination
39:08
Speaker 1: and then being handed the presidential nomination without getting a
39:12
Speaker 1: single goddamn vote. I mean, that is the personification of DEI.
39:18
Speaker 1: And DEI is on the run, folks, politically and legally.
39:24
Speaker 1: I mean, my god, even today. And I'm not gonna
39:26
Speaker 1: have enough time to talk about this because it just
39:29
Speaker 1: came to my attention right before I started taping. But
39:32
Speaker 1: I urge you to check out a story in today's
39:34
Speaker 1: New York Times.
39:37
Speaker 2: The New York Times is.
39:40
Speaker 1: Now basically admitting that a massive DEI program at the
39:45
Speaker 1: University of Michigan has failed miserably. Their headline what to
39:51
Speaker 1: Know about the University of Michigan's DEI Experiment. A Times
39:55
Speaker 1: investigation found that the school built one of the most
39:59
Speaker 1: ambitious to programs in the country only to see increase
40:03
Speaker 1: discord and division on campus. And oh, by the way,
40:08
Speaker 1: not an increase in black enrollment. And this is an
40:13
Speaker 1: amazing article. I'm going to hope to get to it
40:15
Speaker 1: in detail in the next episode.
40:17
Speaker 2: Of the podcast.
40:18
Speaker 1: I urge you again to check it out if you
40:21
Speaker 1: subscribe to The New York Times. Of course, you know
40:24
Speaker 1: the Times tries to put as much lipstick on the
40:27
Speaker 1: pig as they possibly can, as you can tell from
40:30
Speaker 1: that benign headline. But when you read the details, it's
40:33
Speaker 1: a disaster, specifically when it came to the issue of
40:38
Speaker 1: unintended consequences, because, as I keep saying, it's pushing us backwards,
40:44
Speaker 1: it's creating more racial division, not to mention it's not
40:48
Speaker 1: creating any real progress, and it's creating a grievance culture
40:55
Speaker 1: where everybody thinks that if they're a qualified minority, then
40:59
Speaker 1: I think, how bad that happens to.
41:01
Speaker 2: Them is because of their race.
41:04
Speaker 1: The average American who's not a left wing looney tune
41:08
Speaker 1: finds this abhorrent. And so to me, the two issues
41:12
Speaker 1: that the Trump campaign is really fumbling on, while there's
41:18
Speaker 1: been signs that they at least understand the significance and
41:22
Speaker 1: the potential opportunity there are, and they're related California, California,
41:29
Speaker 1: California and everything that has happened in California, and how
41:32
Speaker 1: Harris has that in her DNA, and that she's been
41:34
Speaker 1: part of destroying California and her as the personification of DEI.
41:41
Speaker 1: I mean, that is the theme when it comes to
41:45
Speaker 1: trying to take down Kamala Harris. If you want to win,
41:48
Speaker 1: especially in the swing States.
41:50
Speaker 2: That's it.
41:51
Speaker 1: And my god, here we have the University of Michigan,
41:53
Speaker 1: a case swing state.
41:54
Speaker 2: She's the personification of DEI.
41:56
Speaker 1: The New York Times is admitting Dei is a failure.
42:01
Speaker 2: I mean, how can this not have impact?
42:05
Speaker 1: It has to if done properly, even with the news
42:08
Speaker 1: media doing their best to mute the issue.
42:12
Speaker 2: There was an amazing moment to this point. There was
42:15
Speaker 2: an amazing moment.
42:17
Speaker 1: That occurred yesterday on CNN, and this clip really is
42:25
Speaker 1: so indicative of so.
42:27
Speaker 2: Much that is wrong.
42:28
Speaker 1: One with the news media, but two when it comes
42:32
Speaker 1: to the.
42:33
Speaker 2: Way liberals see the world, the bubble that they live.
42:37
Speaker 1: In, and their lack of understanding of human nature and
42:42
Speaker 1: incentive structures. I believe that that's probably the strength of
42:47
Speaker 1: my ability to figure out what's actually going on in
42:50
Speaker 1: the world and what's likely to occur, is that I
42:53
Speaker 1: think I have a better understanding of human nature and
42:56
Speaker 1: how we respond to incentive structures than most people do.
43:00
Speaker 1: And I definitely have a better understanding of that than
43:04
Speaker 1: the average liberal, especially the average liberal on television cable news,
43:11
Speaker 1: specifically on a network like CNN.
43:14
Speaker 2: This is a remarkable.
43:15
Speaker 1: Clip that belongs in the Museum of liberal insanity and
43:23
Speaker 1: how liberals actually think and why they have such massive
43:27
Speaker 1: blind spots. A god the name of Ryan Gardusky, who
43:31
Speaker 1: is an author who appears on CNN occasionally. He was
43:34
Speaker 1: on a panel and the panel was made up of
43:38
Speaker 1: five people. There was a black female host and then
43:42
Speaker 1: four black people. Out of five on this panel, Gurdusky
43:46
Speaker 1: is the only one that's not black.
43:48
Speaker 2: I don't know what his race is. He's male.
43:51
Speaker 1: He's certainly not black. I don't know if he's white,
43:55
Speaker 1: but regardless, he appears he might be a white male.
43:58
Speaker 1: So he was basically a situation was five on one
44:02
Speaker 1: and the issue of race came up and Gurdusky brought up,
44:09
Speaker 1: which is an incredibly significant and very legitimate point that
44:13
Speaker 1: there are unintended consequences, for instance, to the riots that
44:20
Speaker 1: occurred in Ferguson, Missouri and in Minnesota after the killing
44:26
Speaker 1: of George Floyd, and one of those unintended consequences that
44:30
Speaker 1: even CNN has reported on as Grodusky posted on his
44:35
Speaker 1: Twitter page from several years ago, back when I guess
44:39
Speaker 1: CNN wasn't quite as far left as they are at
44:42
Speaker 1: times now.
44:43
Speaker 2: But there is this so called Ferguson and George.
44:47
Speaker 1: Floyd effect, where in the aftermath of all the negative
44:52
Speaker 1: media coverage and all the rioting and all the fear
44:57
Speaker 1: mongering and all the denigration of police, that, guess what happens,
45:03
Speaker 1: There's an increase in crime, violent crime usually perpetrated on
45:10
Speaker 1: black people. Given the locations of where these riots occurred
45:16
Speaker 1: and the reason or at least one of the reasons
45:19
Speaker 1: why it happens, shock of all, shocked, surprise surprise is
45:24
Speaker 1: that after you blame police for George Floyd or what
45:30
Speaker 1: happened in Ferguson, often under dubious circumstances at best, But
45:36
Speaker 1: when you denigrate them, guess what's gonna happen? They're going
45:40
Speaker 1: to be less inclined to actually do their job. Why
45:46
Speaker 1: get involved, Only bad things could happen. You could end
45:50
Speaker 1: up in prison if a drug user happens to die
45:55
Speaker 1: on your watch and there's a bad video of the arrest.
45:59
Speaker 2: Now that's not.
46:00
Speaker 1: A perfect description of what happened with George Floyd, for instance.
46:04
Speaker 1: But there's some elements of truth to that, and we've
46:08
Speaker 1: seen other situations that we're pretty darn consistent with that,
46:13
Speaker 1: where you just get you're in the wrong place at
46:16
Speaker 1: the wrong time, you get unlucky, and things get misperceived.
46:20
Speaker 1: Your whole life can be destroyed. So why bother. It's
46:25
Speaker 1: a little bit like what I'm suggesting might have happened
46:28
Speaker 1: or may have been happening when it comes to diseases
46:32
Speaker 1: that disproportionately affect black men. Why get involved? Only bad
46:37
Speaker 1: things can happen in this environment that we've created. So
46:41
Speaker 1: Gurdusky raises a very legitimate, very logical, very common sense
46:48
Speaker 1: perspective on Hey, wait a minute, you know there are
46:51
Speaker 1: unintended consequences when we go crazy on these cases like
46:55
Speaker 1: what happened with Ferguson and George Floyd. And the reaction
46:59
Speaker 1: of the panel is off the charts. These people have
47:05
Speaker 1: no literally have no idea what he's talking about. They
47:07
Speaker 1: cannot understand what he's talking about. So they're in a
47:11
Speaker 1: bubble to the extent that they've never heard this before,
47:14
Speaker 1: and they do not understand human nature and incentive structures
47:19
Speaker 1: enough to even comprehend that what he is talking about
47:24
Speaker 1: could be real. Not to mention politically, it doesn't work
47:28
Speaker 1: for them, and they just don't want to accept that
47:30
Speaker 1: this is even possible. But here's what it sounded like
47:33
Speaker 1: on CNN clips A little bit long. It's a couple
47:36
Speaker 1: of minutes, but it really is extremely telling with not
47:40
Speaker 1: just how broken the news media is in general, but
47:43
Speaker 1: specifically when it comes to issues of race.
47:47
Speaker 5: Yes yesterday, Ryan about how in the context of riots
47:50
Speaker 5: he was saying, let's just bring the military into it
47:53
Speaker 5: to deal with American citizens. I mean that happened yesterday, right.
47:57
Speaker 6: But there are the post George Floyd rice resulted in
47:59
Speaker 6: excess of over fifteen thousand black male deaths in this country.
48:04
Speaker 6: How the surge of violent crime. It was like Ferguson,
48:07
Speaker 6: the Ferus effect, the Florida fact.
48:10
Speaker 7: You can explain to me how George Floyd's death any causation,
48:14
Speaker 7: yes really are is what.
48:15
Speaker 6: Happens is after the Ferguson riot and after the Floyd riot, policemen,
48:19
Speaker 6: in fear of their jobs, many times in political coverage,
48:22
Speaker 6: pull back from their jobs, resulting in an increasing Listen,
48:26
Speaker 6: I got to stop there at the country you can
48:28
Speaker 6: look at we.
48:29
Speaker 5: Got to stop you there, because you're literally making a
48:32
Speaker 5: connection out of your own conjecture.
48:34
Speaker 2: You cannot. It's a real thing.
48:35
Speaker 6: Look up, look up the Ferguson effect.
48:36
Speaker 2: Look up the Floyd effect. It is a real term.
48:38
Speaker 2: You can.
48:39
Speaker 6: It's a real term.
48:40
Speaker 5: I didn't just invent a connection between two things just
48:44
Speaker 5: because you want that to be there.
48:46
Speaker 2: It's I mean, little like a name. It's a real thing.
48:48
Speaker 2: Doesn't look it up. Let's let's go on, because.
48:57
Speaker 7: You're reading this, there's done.
49:01
Speaker 4: Hold on.
49:01
Speaker 5: I just want everyone to settle down because people cannot
49:03
Speaker 5: hear at home and everybody's talking at once.
49:05
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.
49:06
Speaker 8: No.
49:06
Speaker 7: I just think there has to be a level of
49:08
Speaker 7: intellectual honesty. And one of the things we can talk
49:10
Speaker 7: about here when we talk about Donald Trump is he's
49:11
Speaker 7: actually somebody who never spoke out about George Floyd's death.
49:14
Speaker 7: And for me, it's kind of personal because.
49:16
Speaker 2: There's a black man.
49:16
Speaker 7: When you have someone with a knee on their neck
49:18
Speaker 7: for nine minutes and some change, and you're actually calling
49:21
Speaker 7: out for your mother while you're being suffocated on national TV,
49:24
Speaker 7: and you are a parent and a son and a brother,
49:26
Speaker 7: that goes a long way. The further the kind of
49:29
Speaker 7: disingenuity or dishonesty for me is you cannot say that
49:34
Speaker 7: what happened during that time period is to blame for
49:38
Speaker 7: the deaths of other black men due to violence. So
49:43
Speaker 7: but that literally, and my point to you is that
49:46
Speaker 7: makes absolutely no sense. And I would argue to you
49:49
Speaker 7: as somebody that I'm not coming from a perspective where
49:51
Speaker 7: i want fewer police. I don't I want police actually
49:54
Speaker 7: to be paid more. I just want better police, more
49:56
Speaker 7: qualified police. I want there to be a database where police,
49:58
Speaker 7: if they commit bad acts, can't just go from one
50:00
Speaker 7: department to another. That's criminal justice reform. Okay, but George
50:03
Speaker 7: Floyd didn't calls fifteen.
50:05
Speaker 5: Thousand here before you jump in. I mean, we should
50:09
Speaker 5: know that you're talking about things that happened when Donald
50:12
Speaker 5: Trump was president, right, Well, he was the president, so
50:15
Speaker 5: how is he not responsible.
50:16
Speaker 6: For Well, the president has controlled local police, deportrams.
50:19
Speaker 5: Okay, but you're trying to blame crime on Joe Biden
50:23
Speaker 5: and you don't blame Okay, Republicans have blamed crime on
50:27
Speaker 5: Joe Biden. But you cannot. But you're saying that that
50:30
Speaker 5: people who died when Donald Trump was president. That's not
50:33
Speaker 5: his fault.
50:33
Speaker 2: I don't.
50:34
Speaker 5: I don't agree with either blame being assigned to either president.
50:38
Speaker 5: I think presidents blame jo don't have a magic wand
50:41
Speaker 5: and they don't control crime from the White House. But
50:44
Speaker 5: if you're going to say that that Joe Biden and
50:46
Speaker 5: Kamala Harris are responsible for rise in crime.
50:49
Speaker 7: I didn't say that, though.
50:49
Speaker 2: Don't you have to be.
50:52
Speaker 8: Like, we're talking about what the future is for Black Americans,
50:55
Speaker 8: and what I will say is that Kamala Harris supports
50:58
Speaker 8: the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act, which again I
51:02
Speaker 8: have no idea what you're talking about in terms of connection,
51:06
Speaker 8: I don't.
51:07
Speaker 2: I will read it.
51:08
Speaker 8: And then I will fact check the sources that actually
51:10
Speaker 8: wrote the thing. But that's what we're talking about for
51:14
Speaker 8: a plan for Black America, is how we make public
51:16
Speaker 8: safety something so that everyone black, white, brown can live
51:19
Speaker 8: in safe communities. That's not what Donald Trump wants. Donald
51:23
Speaker 8: Trump again doesn't want a better border because if he
51:26
Speaker 8: could have had a better border under this president by
51:28
Speaker 8: supporting a bill, and he didn't want to do it.
51:32
Speaker 5: We do have to pause there. There's actually a lot
51:34
Speaker 5: more to talk about. We'll continue this conversation and many
51:36
Speaker 5: others coming up next.
51:38
Speaker 2: That was amazing and so incredibly telling.
51:41
Speaker 1: And kudos to Gurwdusky for sticking to his guns not
51:46
Speaker 1: backing down. I mean, he could have been a little
51:49
Speaker 1: bit stronger at times, but I understand the situation he was,
51:52
Speaker 1: and he's on CNN and.
51:53
Speaker 2: It's five black people against him. I mean, that's a very,
51:58
Speaker 2: very difficult situation.
52:00
Speaker 1: But this is I think an important issue because it's
52:05
Speaker 1: so much broader than just what happened with Ferguson and
52:08
Speaker 1: George Floyd. Although those are important topics and I think
52:12
Speaker 1: they should be studied for years to come about how
52:15
Speaker 1: the narratives surrounding both of them were largely false and
52:19
Speaker 1: created all sorts of destruction, both with regard to the
52:23
Speaker 1: rioting and the aftermath of the rioting, and how police
52:27
Speaker 1: officers responded to this very perverse incentive structure that was created.
52:34
Speaker 1: But in the bigger picture, I also think it shows
52:38
Speaker 1: that these types of things happen in all walks of life.
52:42
Speaker 1: DEI in general is a great example of this in
52:45
Speaker 1: that article in the New York Times with regard to
52:47
Speaker 1: the University of Michigan. These things, some of which sound
52:52
Speaker 1: good at the time, and are maybe even well intentioned,
52:55
Speaker 1: and that's all where the whole virtue signaling phenomenon comes in.
53:00
Speaker 1: Have negative ramifications, especially in the long run, and liberals
53:06
Speaker 1: are literally blind to this. They cannot see it, partially
53:11
Speaker 1: because they don't want to in these particular cases. But
53:14
Speaker 1: I just think that there's something fundamentally different about the
53:17
Speaker 1: liberal mindset that they just are incapable of understanding.
53:22
Speaker 2: Though.
53:22
Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, if you do this, it might
53:25
Speaker 1: feel good in the moment. It might seem like you're
53:28
Speaker 1: doing the right thing, or the good thing, or the
53:31
Speaker 1: virtuous thing, But what about all the things that are
53:34
Speaker 1: going to happen as ramifications of doing that. We saw
53:39
Speaker 1: that during COVID all the time, especially when it came
53:42
Speaker 1: to school closures. No one wanted to talk about the
53:45
Speaker 1: massive ramifications of COVID school closures, which have been catastrophic
53:50
Speaker 1: in the news. Media has done their best to pretend
53:52
Speaker 1: that that's not the case, because they were obviously enabling
53:56
Speaker 1: and promoting all that during the COVID panic. So anyway,
54:01
Speaker 1: all of this is contributing to an environment where I
54:05
Speaker 1: think the Trump campaign has an enormous opportunity to jump in,
54:10
Speaker 1: especially since they're not going to get any damage. I mean,
54:13
Speaker 1: it feels a little bit like Trump is afraid of
54:16
Speaker 1: turning off whatever meager black support he may have gained
54:21
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty by turning this into an issue and politically,
54:27
Speaker 1: my advice would be, dude, First of all, this might
54:30
Speaker 1: be a mirage. Two, we're talking about a fairly small
54:34
Speaker 1: number of voters.
54:35
Speaker 2: Yes, they could be key voters in swing states.
54:38
Speaker 1: But three, you could benefit dramatically, especially in a place
54:43
Speaker 1: like Wisconsin where white voters, especially white males, don't seem
54:48
Speaker 1: to understand the seriousness of this at all. You could
54:53
Speaker 1: gain way more voters than you would potentially lose. I
54:56
Speaker 1: also think that those suburban moms in places like where
55:01
Speaker 1: I grew up in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, who are people
55:05
Speaker 1: who do not like Donald Trump? Boy, these are these
55:08
Speaker 1: are people that are very frustrating, you know, because a
55:11
Speaker 1: lot of them are are pro life, a lot of
55:14
Speaker 1: them are very conservative fiscally, They're very conservative from a crime.
55:19
Speaker 2: Perspective, a lot of them are very educated.
55:22
Speaker 1: They're not dumb people, but they hate Donald Trump, and
55:27
Speaker 1: you know, they find Kamala to be appealing in some ways.
55:30
Speaker 1: They buy into the whole moderation thing, and they're going
55:35
Speaker 1: to be voting by and large.
55:37
Speaker 2: For Kamala Harris.
55:38
Speaker 1: I wish that those suburban moms understood. And it sounds
55:44
Speaker 1: like I'm openly rooting for Trump here, I'm openly rooting
55:47
Speaker 1: against Harris, and I'm openly rooting for people to at
55:50
Speaker 1: least know what the hell they're getting themselves into.
55:52
Speaker 2: When they vote.
55:52
Speaker 1: I mean, that's probably one of the things that drives
55:55
Speaker 1: me most crazy about the Harris campaign. Look, if we
55:57
Speaker 1: want to elect Kamala fine, fine, but at least let's
56:02
Speaker 1: find out who she is, and let's make sure the
56:05
Speaker 1: American public understands what they're getting themselves into.
56:08
Speaker 2: If we're gonna go.
56:08
Speaker 1: Totally socialist, Marxist DEI, you know, equity of outcome, if
56:14
Speaker 1: that's where we're gonna go, then at least let's know
56:18
Speaker 1: that that's what.
56:18
Speaker 2: We're voting on.
56:20
Speaker 1: And I wish that suburban moms understood how underattacked their
56:25
Speaker 1: sons are, especially white sons. I wish they understood that
56:30
Speaker 1: because I don't think they do. And I think that
56:32
Speaker 1: white men in Wisconsin, for instance, where they don't.
56:35
Speaker 2: Face these issues as directly as.
56:38
Speaker 1: Maybe they do in Pennsylvania, or maybe in Georgia or
56:41
Speaker 1: parts of Michigan or parts of North Carolina. I think
56:44
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of naivete, and of course the
56:47
Speaker 1: media it promotes this naivete because the idea that somehow
56:51
Speaker 1: white men are under attack is just considered to be absurd,
56:56
Speaker 1: Like what happened in that CNN clip I displayed that
56:59
Speaker 1: would be any Oh my god, you know what are
57:02
Speaker 1: you talking about?
57:03
Speaker 2: White men are under attack? Yes, they're under attack.
57:06
Speaker 1: That's do you not understand that that's what reparations are?
57:11
Speaker 2: I mean?
57:11
Speaker 1: And frankly, you know this idea that I should have
57:14
Speaker 1: mentioned this previously. The idea that Harris is contemplating reparations
57:19
Speaker 1: is ludicrous. She's proposing reparations. Her entire agenda to get
57:24
Speaker 1: blackmail votes is reparations in another name. And do people
57:29
Speaker 1: not understand that when you give something to one group
57:33
Speaker 1: because of the color of their skin, you're inherently taking away.
57:37
Speaker 2: From other groups of people that don't.
57:39
Speaker 1: Have the same skin color, which is why it's divisive
57:43
Speaker 1: and wrong and un American. So I don't understand why
57:48
Speaker 1: the Trump campaign is not making a bigger issue out
57:50
Speaker 1: of this. I hope that maybe they will if the
57:54
Speaker 1: goal is to beat Kamala Harris.
57:56
Speaker 2: It is interesting.
57:57
Speaker 1: I will give Trump a little bit of praise because
58:01
Speaker 1: apparently he is going to Pennsylvania this weekend to work
58:04
Speaker 1: at a McDonald's.
58:06
Speaker 2: This is so trumpy He's gonna I think it's on Sunday.
58:09
Speaker 1: He's gonna be ana McDonald's in Pennsylvania, where he's going
58:13
Speaker 1: to be working in the French fry section to I guess,
58:19
Speaker 1: shine a light on the fact that he believes, and
58:21
Speaker 1: I agree with him, that Kamala Harris lied about working
58:24
Speaker 1: at McDonald's when she was a younger person. I guess
58:28
Speaker 1: presumably by the way, when she was living in Canada,
58:31
Speaker 1: which I think makes it less likely that she was
58:34
Speaker 1: working at a McDonald's. But there's no evidence that Harris
58:37
Speaker 1: ever worked at at McDonald's, and I think that there
58:39
Speaker 1: would be massive amounts of evidence if she ever had.
58:41
Speaker 2: But that's what Trump's going to be doing this weekend.
58:44
Speaker 1: At least He's doing it in a swing state that
58:46
Speaker 1: could decide the selection, like Pennsylvania. Interestingly, Elon Musk is
58:51
Speaker 1: going on a tour of Pennsylvania, which I think might
58:55
Speaker 1: be more effective right now than Trump going on a
58:58
Speaker 1: tour of Pennsylvania, especially in the afterglow of what happened
59:03
Speaker 1: with the remarkable SpaceX landing of the Booster rocket that
59:08
Speaker 1: hopefully most Americans were exposed to at least a little bit,
59:12
Speaker 1: because it was just an exhilarating, remarkable human achievement. Interestingly,
59:18
Speaker 1: ABC's World News Tonight with David Muir, you remember how
59:22
Speaker 1: biased David Muir was during the ABC hosted debate between
59:26
Speaker 1: Trump and Harris. ABC World News Tonight did an entire
59:31
Speaker 1: story on that absolutely spectacular, amazing SpaceX moment, and somehow
59:40
Speaker 1: never mentioned the name Elon Musk.
59:44
Speaker 2: Now, that has to be on purpose. That has to
59:47
Speaker 2: be on purpose, and it has.
59:49
Speaker 1: To be because Elon Musk is now so closely associated
59:54
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. I mean, there is no chance in
59:57
Speaker 1: the world that if Mark Cuban for it, since or
1:00:00
Speaker 1: any other you know, super rich guy or woman who
1:00:05
Speaker 1: was supporting Harris had done something even remotely as spectacular
1:00:10
Speaker 1: and significant as what Musk and SpaceX did over the weekend,
1:00:15
Speaker 1: that their name would not be plastered all over the story.
1:00:20
Speaker 1: I mean, this was blatant, obvious, effectively censorship by ABC
1:00:26
Speaker 1: World News Tonight. And I think that that I'm sure
1:00:30
Speaker 1: that that was not the only example.
1:00:32
Speaker 2: That's just the only example that.
1:00:33
Speaker 1: I saw because I was curious, Okay, are they going
1:00:36
Speaker 1: to give Elon Musk credit for this or are they
1:00:39
Speaker 1: just going to show the video and hope that a
1:00:41
Speaker 1: lot of people don't connect SpaceX with Elon Musk, which
1:00:46
Speaker 1: I think, by the way, there are a lot of
1:00:47
Speaker 1: people that don't know for sure what even SpaceX is,
1:00:51
Speaker 1: or that Elon Musk is the one who's not just
1:00:54
Speaker 1: funding it, he's he's the driving force behind the entire thing.
1:00:59
Speaker 1: But I do think se Elon Musk to Pennsylvania is
1:01:02
Speaker 1: a smart move and could be very effective for Trump. Now,
1:01:06
Speaker 1: as far as where my electoral college projection currently is,
1:01:10
Speaker 1: if you missed the last episode of the podcast, I
1:01:12
Speaker 1: have at least temporarily dramatically changed the way in which
1:01:16
Speaker 1: I am doing my electoral college current projection. I now
1:01:23
Speaker 1: have it as Harris at two hundred and thirty two
1:01:26
Speaker 1: electoral college votes and Trump with two hundred and sixty
1:01:30
Speaker 1: two electoral college votes, which means that neither has gotten
1:01:35
Speaker 1: to the two hundred and seventy magic number. And this
1:01:38
Speaker 1: might be a little bit of a cop out, but
1:01:40
Speaker 1: I'm trying to kind of prove a point here or
1:01:44
Speaker 1: articulate where I think the race really stands. And what
1:01:47
Speaker 1: I've done is, essentially, I've taken the blue Wall and
1:01:51
Speaker 1: I've put it into the no man's land column, the
1:01:55
Speaker 1: blue wall of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, because I don't
1:01:59
Speaker 1: know who's going to win any of those states.
1:02:01
Speaker 2: Now.
1:02:01
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure who's gonna win North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona,
1:02:06
Speaker 1: or Nevada. But I think you can make a stronger
1:02:09
Speaker 1: argument right now that we do know that there's one
1:02:13
Speaker 1: side favored in those four states. I think Trump is
1:02:18
Speaker 1: favored in North Carolina, He's favored in Georgia, He's favored
1:02:21
Speaker 1: in Arizona. And while there's one poll that shows Trump
1:02:26
Speaker 1: up six in Nevada, most Nevada polls show Harris up
1:02:30
Speaker 1: by a point or two. Nevada might be, you know,
1:02:34
Speaker 1: right now, as of this taping, might be in the
1:02:38
Speaker 1: same category as the Blue Wall, But I don't consider
1:02:40
Speaker 1: Nevada to be all that significant right now because there's
1:02:44
Speaker 1: not that many scenarios where Nevada ends up deciding the election.
1:02:48
Speaker 2: They're a couple, they're a couple. You still want to
1:02:51
Speaker 2: win Nevada, but it's.
1:02:52
Speaker 1: Not as paramount as the other six swing states are.
1:02:57
Speaker 1: And so I believe that the three Blue Wall states
1:03:01
Speaker 1: are very close to being coin flips. At this point,
1:03:05
Speaker 1: I would still give Harris a slight edge in all
1:03:08
Speaker 1: three of them. But the reason I've put the three
1:03:12
Speaker 1: of them together and why I am no longer I'm
1:03:14
Speaker 1: not counting them currently in my electoral college projection, is
1:03:19
Speaker 1: that Trump really only needs, under the current state of
1:03:22
Speaker 1: the race, to win one of those states. And so frankly,
1:03:29
Speaker 1: you know, let's say that Harris has a sixty percent
1:03:31
Speaker 1: chance currently of winning any of those three states. Statistically,
1:03:37
Speaker 1: the chances of her winning all three, which is what
1:03:39
Speaker 1: she would have to do to win the election, is
1:03:41
Speaker 1: only a little bit over twenty percent. Now, maybe that
1:03:45
Speaker 1: sixty percent projection is off, maybe it's a little bit higher, maybe.
1:03:48
Speaker 2: It's a little bit lower. I think it's about right
1:03:51
Speaker 2: right now.
1:03:51
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Pennsylvania, there was a poll that
1:03:54
Speaker 1: came out after the last taping of the podcast that
1:03:56
Speaker 1: was very much in favor of Harris, and so you know,
1:04:00
Speaker 1: it's possible that maybe the chances of Harris winning each
1:04:05
Speaker 1: of those individual blue state blue Wall States is better
1:04:08
Speaker 1: than sixty percent, but it's not that much better than
1:04:11
Speaker 1: sixty percent.
1:04:13
Speaker 2: And so, because.
1:04:14
Speaker 1: Of where the race stands and the need to get
1:04:18
Speaker 1: to two hundred and seventy electric College votes, I've grouped
1:04:21
Speaker 1: those three three states together because effectively.
1:04:24
Speaker 2: Harris has to win all three.
1:04:27
Speaker 1: I mean, that's by far the most likely scenario for
1:04:31
Speaker 1: her to win the election. And right now, you know,
1:04:37
Speaker 1: I think that the likelihood is that she would not
1:04:39
Speaker 1: win all three. If you're just looking at this from
1:04:41
Speaker 1: a purely statistical perspective, she could win all three easily.
1:04:46
Speaker 1: She could win all three, and if the polling is
1:04:48
Speaker 1: even a little bit biased towards Trump, which it could be,
1:04:52
Speaker 1: she may win all three by you know, a couple
1:04:55
Speaker 1: of points.
1:04:56
Speaker 2: It might not be all that close.
1:04:58
Speaker 1: But without making this too complicated, right now, I don't
1:05:03
Speaker 1: think it's knowable who's gonna win Pennsylvania, Michigan, or Wisconsin,
1:05:07
Speaker 1: so I've kind of taken them off the board. Trump
1:05:10
Speaker 1: doesn't have two hundred and seventy, but Harris doesn't have
1:05:13
Speaker 1: two seventy either, And I really do think it's gonna
1:05:16
Speaker 1: come down to whether or not the blue Wall is cracking,
1:05:20
Speaker 1: and if it is cracking, whether or not it holds,
1:05:22
Speaker 1: whether or not it can be fortified by the Harris
1:05:25
Speaker 1: team or by maybe Trump mistakes, or maybe just by
1:05:29
Speaker 1: the natural course of events where Harris surges at the
1:05:33
Speaker 1: very end I mean, and by the way, it's also
1:05:37
Speaker 1: important to point out Harris is gonna win the popular
1:05:40
Speaker 1: vote unless there is catastrophic polling era like there was
1:05:46
Speaker 1: in some polls in both twenty sixteen and twenty twenty
1:05:49
Speaker 1: that could be repeated.
1:05:50
Speaker 2: It's possible.
1:05:51
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that likely, But unless that happens,
1:05:55
Speaker 1: Harris is going to win the popular vote. She is
1:05:57
Speaker 1: still winning an average of the credible national popular vote
1:06:02
Speaker 1: polls by about three percent, which hasn't really changed. The
1:06:06
Speaker 1: only that it's slightly changed in the last couple of
1:06:08
Speaker 1: weeks is essentially won. The blue wall has shown signs
1:06:14
Speaker 1: of cracking. Frankly, the signs of panic that the Harris
1:06:18
Speaker 1: campaign is shown by the things that they have done,
1:06:20
Speaker 1: including agreeing to a Fox News interview, has further promoted
1:06:26
Speaker 1: the narrative that the blue wall must be cracking, otherwise
1:06:30
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be doing these types of things. And also,
1:06:33
Speaker 1: I think that the Trump campaign has reason to feel
1:06:36
Speaker 1: better about North Carolina and Georgia. Not that they're one
1:06:41
Speaker 1: hundred percent going to win North Carolina and Georgia, but
1:06:43
Speaker 1: I think that they're the favorite, and if they win
1:06:47
Speaker 1: North Carolina and Georgia, then all they have to do
1:06:50
Speaker 1: is win Pennsylvania and Trump wins the election. So that's
1:06:55
Speaker 1: why all the focus on Pennsylvania, and that's why I
1:06:58
Speaker 1: have grouped the blue Walls together and why right now
1:07:02
Speaker 1: I can't say that either Harris or Trump would be
1:07:07
Speaker 1: a significant favor favorite in any of those states, although
1:07:10
Speaker 1: again to be clear, I think that Harris would be
1:07:13
Speaker 1: a slight favorite in each of the three, but she
1:07:16
Speaker 1: needs to win all three in order to win the election.
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