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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 2-3-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 2: get closer and closer to meaningful playoff type basketball tournament
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Speaker 2: basketball in college sports, and of course the upcoming summer
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Speaker 2: of Stanley Cup playoffs, where I do believe that the
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Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth will be involved. A nice little bounce back
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Speaker 2: to snap their two game skid last night at the
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Speaker 2: Delta Center six' to two demolition of The canucks Of.
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Speaker 2: Vancouver as we expected to be the, Case vancouver is
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Speaker 2: not a good team right.
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Speaker 3: Now they are dead last in The Western.
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Speaker 2: Conference and don't let that take away from what The
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Speaker 2: Utah mammoth did. That one of the beauties of a
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Speaker 2: full schedule in any sport is that you're going to
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Speaker 2: get a mix of. Opponents and one of the signs
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Speaker 2: of a quality team is that you make bad teams
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Speaker 2: look bad and that you don't let bad teams hang.
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Speaker 3: Around And Nick.
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Speaker 2: Schmaltz gifted all of you with the twenty five percent
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Speaker 2: off coupon for Any Utah mammoth merchandise as long as
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Speaker 2: it's headwhere because of the hat trick That Nick schmaltz
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Speaker 2: THAT i love a promotion that is tied to the
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Speaker 2: success of.
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Speaker 3: A team on the.
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Speaker 2: Field by the, way have YOU i don't bouncing around
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Speaker 2: a little bit, here but have you seen the, fanatics
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Speaker 2: like the Brand, fanatics the same brand that manufacturers the
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Speaker 2: OFFICIAL nhl. Sweaters have you seen their response to all
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Speaker 2: of the criticism they're getting because of the Available Super bowl,
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Speaker 2: merchandise OR i should say the lack of availability on
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Speaker 2: Quality Super bowl. MERCHANDISE i Know utah fans can sympathize
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Speaker 2: with this because the Second Rose bowl, game in, particular
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Speaker 2: there were a lot of complaints about the merch. Available
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Speaker 2: how nothing really did justice to the. Occasion nothing really
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Speaker 2: did justice to the game. Itself the best piece piece
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Speaker 2: of merchandise that they could have put out there for
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Speaker 2: that was The if they just would have sold the
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Speaker 2: official helmet, decals the INTERLOCKING us with the rose, intertwined
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Speaker 2: that would have been the top. Seller they kept the
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Speaker 2: exclusives on the actual apparel pretty pretty. Carefully major jealous
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Speaker 2: of the players and coaches that got to, see you,
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Speaker 2: know the full sown on patch type stuff with, That
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Speaker 2: but fanatics had to issue an apology for their lack
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Speaker 2: of effort on The Super bowl. Gear the game is
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Speaker 2: being played On. Sunday what are we? Doing THE nfl
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Speaker 2: is usually undefeated in this. Stuff THE nfl is usually
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Speaker 2: so so so good at making sure their, merchandise their marketable, souvenirs,
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Speaker 2: whatever are exactly that marketable and. Reasonable not this time
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Speaker 2: sounds like a problem for the unfortunate people who Are
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Speaker 2: seahawks And patriots.
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Speaker 3: Fans, yes sorry about, that, Guys.
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Speaker 2: Sorry about your bad luck that your team's in The Super,
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Speaker 2: no you can't can't sell, it, shoot can't really sell. It,
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Speaker 2: YEAH i mean we have you people like you AND
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Speaker 2: i we have to we have to find a way
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Speaker 2: somehow when this is The Super bowl matchup to throw
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Speaker 2: some shade at at these really good teams who we
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Speaker 2: just don't. LIKE i feel LIKE i feel like we're
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Speaker 2: we're opposites in this. Way oh, see we both, hate
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Speaker 2: well hates the strong word for HOW i feel about The.
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Speaker 2: Seahawks but we both, dislike strongly dislike both these. Teams,
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Speaker 2: yes BUT i hate The patriots like their, arrival and
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Speaker 2: you hate The seahawks like their. Arrival, yeah and you
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Speaker 2: dislike you strongly dislike The patriots because they're The, patriots
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Speaker 2: AND i strongly dislike The seahawks because they're The. Seahawks
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Speaker 2: it's like we it's like we are the, same but
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Speaker 2: we have it for the opposite. Motivations, yes it's the
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Speaker 2: distaste for the franchises is similar but also opposite in
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Speaker 2: a weird.
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Speaker 4: Way.
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Speaker 3: Yeah at the end of the, day it's still The Super.
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Speaker 2: Bowl it's still gonna be the biggest sporting event of
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Speaker 2: the year in The United states Of. America although this,
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Speaker 2: year although this year maybe, not this might this year
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Speaker 2: we might, actually you, know because The World cup cycles
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Speaker 2: on this year and it is A North American World.
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Speaker 2: Cup maybe this won't be the biggest television viewing. Event
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Speaker 2: unfortunately FOR, nbc they don't also have the rights to
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Speaker 2: that event LIKE nbc has everything except for The World
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Speaker 2: cup this. Year i'm sure there they're crying somewhere in
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Speaker 2: a corner about that the home of The olympics and
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Speaker 2: The Super bowl at the same. Time at the end
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Speaker 2: of the, day there's just there's a lot of intrigue
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Speaker 2: in the, game even If i'm not intrigued by the,
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Speaker 2: game and we'll get into some of those storylines more.
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow that's my last show of the week BEFORE i
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Speaker 2: take off to CALL pfl fights In. Dubai we Got
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Speaker 2: Is Bryson, Jordan they're gonna so we Have Porter larson.
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow he's Gonna he And Gordy chase is gonna be in.
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Speaker 2: Studio it's trade Deadline day and it's also A, thursday
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Speaker 2: so we're getting him an hour on trade Deadline day
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Speaker 2: like we do every year in, studio so, he he
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Speaker 2: And porter will have all the updates. There by the,
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Speaker 2: Way James harden might be on the move, again which
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Speaker 2: is wild to think, about so we'll have the updates.
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Speaker 2: There If giannis gets moved what anybody on The jazz gets.
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Speaker 2: Moved of, course will keep you updated there With cordy And.
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Speaker 2: PORTER i Believe porter is effort is going to Have
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Speaker 2: Cad madsen back on the show because the because day
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Speaker 2: one of THE pbr at The Delta center Is, Friday,
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Speaker 2: friday And porter is A rodeo officionado and wants to
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Speaker 2: wants to have a chance to promote that one more
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Speaker 2: time With. Cad of, COURSE i think he probably Knows caid,
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Speaker 2: personally Because porter just knows everyone In roadie who does
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Speaker 2: rodeo In, utah a rodeo. Correspondent Porter larson will, yeah
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Speaker 2: giving us the insight on THE, pbr like and then
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Speaker 2: we're efforting one more guest in the one o'clock, hour
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Speaker 2: but that that's going On Thursday friday will Be bryce And,
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Speaker 2: Jordan bryce And. Bianucci of course morning show on The.
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Speaker 2: Fan they'll they'll be filling in you guys know them by.
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Speaker 2: Now they filled in quite a bit For sean over the.
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Speaker 2: Fall they'll they'll be sitting In Lee sterlings. Last, uh
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Speaker 2: he's coming back to do The Super bowl betting segment
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Speaker 2: with With Bryce sudi And Bill riley of course and
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Speaker 2: more so you have a, lot a lot to look
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Speaker 2: forward to For thursday And. Friday Super bowl discussion will
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Speaker 2: be a big part of. That today we've Got Gorda,
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Speaker 2: Chiesa we've GOT Jt Jonathan tabernari to talk a little
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Speaker 2: hoop college, hoop and Then Jeff schwartz is going to
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Speaker 2: join us in his normal time at around one o'clock
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Speaker 2: to talk about The Super bowl as. Well with the
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Speaker 2: APPROACHING nba trade, DEADLINE i put a poll question out
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Speaker 2: And i'm always curious to see what people, think and
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Speaker 2: already people are weighing in some the question of what
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Speaker 2: you want to see The Utah jazz. Do and then
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Speaker 2: the secondary question is how long should a rebuild? Take
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Speaker 2: how long do we, say, oh, well they're rebuilding right.
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Speaker 2: Now how long do we say they're in the middle
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Speaker 2: of a. Rebuild so that's why this is. Okay how
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Speaker 2: long do we say it's all right if it takes
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Speaker 2: another year because this is a rebuilding. Team the grace,
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Speaker 2: period the extended level of patients that is now expected from,
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Speaker 2: fans and there's an, understanding there's a tacit agreement between
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Speaker 2: fans and franchises now that, like, hey we're gonna we're
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Speaker 2: gonna go in this cyclical push, pull all, Right we're,
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Speaker 2: really really really going to pour into our, roster into our,
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Speaker 2: facilities into our, whatever while we have a certain, player
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Speaker 2: while we have a certain, window and then inevitably there's
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Speaker 2: gonna be some level of a, downturn or we're gonna
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Speaker 2: fire a, coach fire A, gm fire, everybody and we're
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Speaker 2: going to clean, house and we're gonna, say all, right,
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Speaker 2: now this is a, rebuild so be patient with. Us
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Speaker 2: there are some franchises that don't have that luxury major,
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Speaker 2: markets The dodgers in baseball now right where you're not
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Speaker 2: really accepting of a. Rebuild but we we got our
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Speaker 2: FIRST nhl, franchise and at the opening introductory pressor the
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Speaker 2: owner and more importantly the hockey, people THE, gm the,
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Speaker 2: Coach we're, like, hey, guys this is.
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Speaker 4: A.
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Speaker 2: Rebuild it's gonna take some. Time by all, means have
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Speaker 2: fun with, this but give it some. Time and the
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Speaker 2: REASON i wanted to have this conversation today is because
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Speaker 2: we Had Tom callahan on, yesterday AND i started the
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Speaker 2: conversation with kind of like a qualifying statement less something
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Speaker 2: to the EFFECT i know that you're still kind of
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Speaker 2: like at the tail end of a, rebuild and he
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Speaker 2: was adamant in, saying, no it's not a rebuild. Anymore
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Speaker 2: you're in year. Five let's stop with. That this is
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Speaker 2: not a. Rebuild it is playoffs or bust for This
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Speaker 2: Utah mammoth. Team so In tom's, mind the rebuild is,
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Speaker 2: over the rebuild is. Done and he also said it's year,
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Speaker 2: five WHICH i think means that his answer to the
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Speaker 2: poll question would be something to the effect, of, well,
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Speaker 2: yeah you get.
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Speaker 3: Five years to.
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Speaker 2: Rebuild how long can you wait on a rebuild in
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Speaker 2: pro sports before your team needs to start competing for
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Speaker 2: deep playoff? Runs the ANSWERS i put out there less
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Speaker 2: than five, years five to six, years seven to eight,
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Speaker 2: years or eight plus. Years Cole BAGLEY Ksl Utah mammoth
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Speaker 2: insider has, said, look it took The Tampa Bay lightning
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Speaker 2: like eight. Years it takes teams eight to twelve years
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Speaker 2: in THE nhl sometimes to complete the process of a.
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Speaker 2: Rebuild personnel is the most important thing. Here and if
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Speaker 2: we're talking about The Utah, jazz because it's THE nba
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Speaker 2: trade deadline that's, approaching The ainge, family The smith, Family
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Speaker 2: Will hardy And. Company they need to walk up To
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Speaker 2: Kyante george specifically every single day and extend a handshake
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Speaker 2: and be, Like, hey you need, Anything you want us
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Speaker 2: to send a personal chef over to the. House do
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Speaker 2: you need a new? CAR i know we're already paying,
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Speaker 2: you But Kyante george has accelerated the rebuild process for
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Speaker 2: The Utah jazz in a way that makes this season
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Speaker 2: a lot more palatable and a lot more tolerable For
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Speaker 2: Utah jazz fans because last year was not. That last
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Speaker 2: year was not. Palatable last year was really really grows
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Speaker 2: from a fan, perspective especially because it didn't translate to
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Speaker 2: a top pick in the. Lottery and WHEN i say
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Speaker 2: it didn't translate to the top pick in the, lottery
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Speaker 2: you Wanted Cooper. Flag you were never going to Get Cooper.
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Speaker 2: Flagg you didn't Get Cooper. Flag i'm a conspiracy. THEORIST
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Speaker 2: i buy you into the fact that that was a
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Speaker 2: compensatory thing for The Dallas mavericks in Trading luca. Whatever
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Speaker 2: you don't have to believe that portion of. It that's.
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Speaker 2: Fine you didn't get the top. Pick you got a
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Speaker 2: really nice player In Ace. Bailey So Ace bailey And
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Speaker 2: Keionte george both. DESERVE i think a lot of thanks
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Speaker 2: from the front office in making this season a lot
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Speaker 2: more palatable For Utah jazz fans because right, now you
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Speaker 2: look at the QUESTION i put out, there what do
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Speaker 2: you want to see them do before the trade? Deadline
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Speaker 2: twenty seven percent of people, say don't do.
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Speaker 3: Anything do.
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Speaker 2: Nothing and the reason they say that is because they're,
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Speaker 2: believing at least that twenty seven percent are, believing, like
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Speaker 2: you're not going to get anything productive done before this trade,
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Speaker 2: deadline AND i will ride with what you've got for.
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Speaker 2: Now And i'm willing to do that right now If
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Speaker 2: i'm A jazz fan because Of Keyonte george's, emergence because
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Speaker 2: Of Ace bailey's promise that he continues to show Because
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Speaker 2: Lowry marketen is an awesome, player awesome enough that you
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Speaker 2: have to keep him out of the lineup or you're
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Speaker 2: gonna win too many. Games you have a core Now
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Speaker 2: Walker kessler's been injured all. Year that, weirdly oddly unfortunately
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Speaker 2: for The Utah jazz that it had to happen that,
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Speaker 2: Way but that might be a blessing in disguise for
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Speaker 2: This jazz team because it's easier to pull the gentleman's
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Speaker 2: tank when you don't have another young player WHO i
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Speaker 2: believe does factor into that. Core so how many players
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Speaker 2: do you need to make up a core of a
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Speaker 2: competitive Rebuilt notice HOW i said rebuilt and not rebuilding
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Speaker 2: a competitive REBUILT nba? Franchise how many players do you
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Speaker 2: need to? Know like that guy's a staple on this?
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Speaker 2: Team is it? Five is it you need your five?
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Speaker 2: Starters is it seven because you got to have a
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Speaker 2: couple reliable guys on the. Bench is it not even
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Speaker 2: the full? Five because really what you need is a
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Speaker 2: core of three and then you can fill in the
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Speaker 2: blanks around those individuals like so many teams in THE nba.
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Speaker 2: Have that's another poll QUESTION i could put. Out but
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Speaker 2: for The Utah, JAZZ i think In twitter arguments, NOTWITHSTANDING
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Speaker 2: i think you can take a look At lowry Keyonte
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Speaker 2: Ace bailey and for, Me Walker kestler is absolutely a
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Speaker 2: big part of. This he doesn't have to be for
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Speaker 2: you and say that's a core THAT i feel okay
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Speaker 2: about building around as long as we can add more
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Speaker 2: pieces to. It and right, now The Utah jazz have
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Speaker 2: a lot of draft. CAPITAL i don't know how long
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Speaker 2: the patients last, though Because Ace, bailey you look at
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Speaker 2: him now and you see these bright, flashes and Even
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Speaker 2: Keyante george who's in his first year of DOMINANT nba,
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Speaker 2: basketball and let's say he continues, this do we think
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Speaker 2: that that means next year those two guys are ready
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Speaker 2: to be peace number two And piece number three on
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Speaker 2: a playoff team in a, VACUUM i could look at
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Speaker 2: that squad and, say, yeah that's a fun group and
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Speaker 2: they can Put they're capable of putting up some awesome,
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Speaker 2: numbers Especially.
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Speaker 3: Keyante look at this.
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Speaker 2: Guy but then you see what the rest of The west,
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Speaker 2: has and you see you have to remember like where
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Speaker 2: The San Antonio spurs are, at and what The lakers
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Speaker 2: will continue to, be and What okac is and they're
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Speaker 2: your same age or, younger and you're just, like wait a,
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Speaker 2: Second so how long are you supposed to accept the
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Speaker 2: rebuilding process as a professional sports? Fan and by the,
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Speaker 2: Way i'm looking at this from AN nba lens right,
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Speaker 2: now BUT i think the timelines are varied depending on your,
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Speaker 2: sport and most of us probably aren't hardcore enough with
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Speaker 2: THE nhl to give you examples of how long it should.
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Speaker 3: Take BUT i will say this.
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Speaker 2: If Bear turney And Bill armstrong and a lot of
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Speaker 2: the experts Like Tom callahan who joined us and, said, no,
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Speaker 2: man you're five and you're ready to. Go my initial
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Speaker 2: response to that is, like, okay it does it only
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Speaker 2: take five? Years and THEN i look at the young
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Speaker 2: players on This jazz, team the guys that are heading
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Speaker 2: into their second contract or their big, extensions that are
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Speaker 2: still in their early, twenties And i'm, saying, well, YEAH
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Speaker 2: i like to, Me Clayton keller is he's he's on
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Speaker 2: The olympic. Team he's not a young promising piece that
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Speaker 2: someday is going to be. Good he's there. Now he's
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Speaker 2: a ninety point. Guy, well he's coming up close to
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Speaker 2: ten years in the league, too. Right that's the OTHER
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Speaker 2: a lot of these got a young guy. ANYMORE a
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Speaker 2: lot of these guys, are you, know twenty nine years,
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Speaker 2: old which in THE nhl is NOT i, mean that's
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Speaker 2: an old sports, age, Right And i'm learning THAT, nhl
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Speaker 2: depending on the, position you can really hit your prime
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Speaker 2: early thirties If i'm not, mistaken, maybe or you could
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Speaker 2: hit your prime mid, twenties mid, twenties, yeah depending on
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Speaker 2: depending on the kind of talent you are in the.
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Speaker 2: Situation you're in the development you, get of, course but
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys that they weren't top of
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Speaker 2: the league till you're eight nine and eight nine ten
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Speaker 2: in the, league, right so.
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Speaker 3: And and we're still. Learning we're still learning that in this.
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Speaker 2: Market so it's possible, that, Hey Clayton keller is still
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Speaker 2: a young piece BY nhl.
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Speaker 3: Standards but the guys like.
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Speaker 2: The mammoth being in year five of this mammoth Slash
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Speaker 2: Arizona coyotes. Rebuild, YEAH i agree With Tom. Callahan if
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Speaker 2: it's a playoffs or bust or bust, year you're the rebuilds.
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Speaker 2: Over you're, now you're now content trying to, contend, Right
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Speaker 2: you're point where you feel like you. Can you can
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Speaker 2: contend this, year next, year the year after. Whatever but
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Speaker 2: when when you're in The jazz's position and you're not
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Speaker 2: even close to playoff, position you don't want to be
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Speaker 2: close to the playoff position. Yet if you're not there
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Speaker 2: by year, five it's probably going on a little too.
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Speaker 2: Long hopefully they keep they're able to keep their their
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Speaker 2: first round pick this year and starting next year they
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Speaker 2: can be close to where the maybe where The mammoths
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Speaker 2: were last season where it's like not quite playoffs or,
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Speaker 2: bust but we're going to Be we're going to be
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Speaker 2: factoring into the playoff race in some way and the
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Speaker 2: rebuild might be. Over and this is where when we're
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Speaker 2: talking about a, rebuilder we're talking about a. Timeline the
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Speaker 2: front office has to be able to anticipate development and
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Speaker 2: also adding veteran presence to a developing. Team and So
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Speaker 2: Clayton keller is now a veteran in the. League Right
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Speaker 2: he's only twenty seven years old as a, human but he.
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Speaker 2: Is he's a diadenable veteran OF nhl. Hockey he is
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Speaker 2: An All star caliber. Player he's An. Olympian he's a guy, that,
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Speaker 2: like you don't see somebody like that and say in
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Speaker 2: a few years he's really gonna be something in THE.
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Speaker 3: Nhl he's something in THE nhl right.
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Speaker 2: Now gunther is becoming That coolly before the, injury was
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Speaker 2: emerging into. That although both of those guys on the younger,
20:24
Speaker 2: SIDE Jj, Paterka you're looking at this mammoth roster made
20:28
Speaker 2: up of guys that you're, like this is.
20:31
Speaker 3: Not a rebuilding.
20:33
Speaker 2: Roster you Had, stenland you Had, sergachev you had kraus
20:39
Speaker 2: you had What schmaltz is doing right, now and you, Say,
20:41
Speaker 2: okay this is not a rebuilding. Roster this is a,
20:44
Speaker 2: rebuild rebuilt. Roster this is a roster that has that
20:50
Speaker 2: sprinkling of young talent, certainly but there's now of the
20:54
Speaker 2: core has matured to a level where they need to
20:57
Speaker 2: be able to compete right. Now and if it's five
20:59
Speaker 2: years in THE, nhl because that's our, experience so be.
21:02
Speaker 2: It i'll go with the five year timeline for THE.
21:05
Speaker 2: Nhl it, feels, honestly it feels short because we're talking
21:09
Speaker 2: about a team that has a bunch of its most
21:12
Speaker 2: important players in their early early. Twenties i'm, Like keller
21:17
Speaker 2: is your captain at twenty, seven he's your, veteran and Obviously,
21:22
Speaker 2: Krausen sergachev and some of these guys are, older but,
21:25
Speaker 2: like the core of your team is twenty seven years,
21:28
Speaker 2: old and you don't have as money these like old
21:32
Speaker 2: grizzled veteran types that he could even bounce his ideas
21:37
Speaker 2: off of and help him build this. Culture so you're a,
21:39
Speaker 2: young rebuilt, team but you're Still i'm accepting of the
21:44
Speaker 2: idea because we, all we all will be sorely disappointed
21:48
Speaker 2: if This mammoth team does not make the. Playoffs that
21:52
Speaker 2: five years is the Timeline i'll go with UNTIL i
21:55
Speaker 2: have reason to. Adjust in THE, nba it feels so
22:01
Speaker 2: much more dependent on, individuals on one single, player whether
22:08
Speaker 2: or not you're, rebuilding you are, rebuilt you're somewhere in
22:12
Speaker 2: between those two, things whether you're a, contender it's so
22:15
Speaker 2: dependent on. Stars and in THE, nhl obviously having star
22:21
Speaker 2: talent is, amazing.
22:23
Speaker 4: But it is.
22:26
Speaker 2: Secondary to football and being the ultimate team. Game you
22:29
Speaker 2: have to like if your top line and your second
22:32
Speaker 2: line are, spectacular but you've got a crap goalie and
22:35
Speaker 2: your third and fourth line can't hold their, water you're
22:38
Speaker 2: not gonna do anything as a. Team depth is the
22:41
Speaker 2: name of the. Game right in, football that's the. Case
22:46
Speaker 2: in THIS. Nba we could, say, well we Got Aj debonson,
22:52
Speaker 2: now so the rebuild is.
22:53
Speaker 3: Over i'm not probably he's a bad.
22:56
Speaker 2: EXAMPLE i wouldn't say that if it Were AJ debonsa
22:58
Speaker 2: if The Utah jazz got A VICTOR Webbn yama, player you'd, say,
23:02
Speaker 2: oh rebuilds. Over now's the. Time now you got to
23:06
Speaker 2: make the. Playoffs you have, that, dude maybe you let
23:09
Speaker 2: him get into year two Yes, spurs or year he's
23:12
Speaker 2: in year three with The, spurs they have yet to
23:14
Speaker 2: make the, playoffs so and they're gonna this, year they're
23:17
Speaker 2: going To he's had he's had some. Injuries if that
23:21
Speaker 2: have made that the, case they probably would have been
23:24
Speaker 2: a playoff team or at least a play in team last
23:27
Speaker 2: year if he didn't have that blood Clot, so but.
23:29
Speaker 3: Yeah you're you're absolutely.
23:31
Speaker 2: Right, basketball you get one superstar and all of a
23:36
Speaker 2: sudden you are probably to the point where we were
23:39
Speaker 2: talking about The Mammoth Slats Utah Hockey club last, year
23:42
Speaker 2: where it's like.
23:42
Speaker 3: They could make the.
23:43
Speaker 2: Playoffs that'd be so, exciting and then year two it's, like,
23:47
Speaker 2: uh if you don't make the, playoffs we're gonna be.
23:48
Speaker 2: Disappointed that that's probably where it. IS, nba you get
23:54
Speaker 2: that one superstar, player you're. There you probably still can
24:01
Speaker 2: get away with two or three years before you're actually
24:04
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and there to stay right like in
24:07
Speaker 2: the playoffs and we expect you to win a series
24:09
Speaker 2: and like maybe get to the conference. Finals AND i
24:13
Speaker 2: try to be as realistic as possible WHEN i SAY i,
24:16
Speaker 2: said how long could you wait out a rebuild before
24:18
Speaker 2: your team starts competing for deep playoff? Runs because when
24:22
Speaker 2: we're talking about living here in the state Of, UTAH i,
24:26
Speaker 2: mean The jazz have never won a, championship and we
24:30
Speaker 2: knew back in the. Day we knew that they were
24:34
Speaker 2: going to compete for a, championship but we couldn't speak
24:36
Speaker 2: with certainty about whether or not they were ever going
24:39
Speaker 2: to win, one and they. Didn't, Right So i'm not
24:42
Speaker 2: even asking you how long will you wait out a
24:43
Speaker 2: rebuild with This jazz team until you want them to
24:47
Speaker 2: compete for a. Championship i'm just talking, about don't get
24:50
Speaker 2: swept out of the. Playoffs maybe win a playoffs, Series,
24:54
Speaker 2: like give us some meat on the bone as sports,
24:57
Speaker 2: fans because the rebuild, THING i totally, understand it's a
25:01
Speaker 2: natural process in professional. Sports but there are some teams
25:05
Speaker 2: that get caught in this perpetual. Loop and they're The,
25:09
Speaker 2: jets they're The, browns they're the At Oakland, athletics they're
25:17
Speaker 2: unfortunately My Minnesota twins as of, late mostly right, like
25:21
Speaker 2: you get stuck in this perpetual loop of being like
25:24
Speaker 2: a once great franchise or a never great franchise and
25:28
Speaker 2: you don't compete, anymore and they just keep saying, rebuilding, rebuilding,
25:33
Speaker 2: rebuilding and then you find that piece that's, like oh,
25:36
Speaker 2: ooh maybe this is a, core this is something we
25:38
Speaker 2: could build, around and then those types of franchises ship
25:43
Speaker 2: that person off for a bunch of picks and hit
25:46
Speaker 2: the reset button, voluntarily over and over. Again that's WHY
25:50
Speaker 2: i was so adamantly against Trading lowry market in last,
25:53
Speaker 2: year and Why i'm still off The lowry market and trade.
25:58
Speaker 2: Train by the, way seventy percent of people say they
26:01
Speaker 2: want to Move lowry for a big haul of picks
26:04
Speaker 2: because you could get something significant back for A lowry
26:08
Speaker 2: marketing type. Player but Because giannis is in the market right,
26:12
Speaker 2: now that devalues What lowry could BE i think in the.
26:17
Speaker 2: Market in any, Case i'm adamantly against Moving Lowry marketing
26:22
Speaker 2: because if you do, that you're voluntarily extending the. Rebuild
26:27
Speaker 2: you're telling your fan base give us another two or
26:30
Speaker 2: three years of your patients because we decided to move
26:33
Speaker 2: off of the only all star caliber player we've. Got
26:36
Speaker 2: because a Healthy Lowry marketing is An All, star potentially
26:41
Speaker 2: potentially ALL, nba certainly All star, Yeah i'm the only
26:48
Speaker 2: way that they might still that The ages might still
26:52
Speaker 2: get the kind of haul that they would want from
26:55
Speaker 2: trading their best player by Trading lowie marketing is if
27:00
Speaker 2: no one's able to get a deal done With giannis
27:03
Speaker 2: and no One's and Now James harden has entered the
27:06
Speaker 2: chat as a guy who who is seeking a, trade,
27:09
Speaker 2: Right AND i guess maybe if a team that really
27:13
Speaker 2: Wants yiannis doesn't Get, jannis like The, warriors for, example
27:17
Speaker 2: who tried really hard to Get, lowry they could settle
27:20
Speaker 2: For lowry marketing and probably offer you, know The angels
27:24
Speaker 2: would hope that they would offer more Than jonathan kaminga
27:27
Speaker 2: in return and a couple of picks like they did
27:30
Speaker 2: a couple of summers ago in order to move away From.
27:33
Speaker 2: Lowie But i'm with, you unless you get like A
27:36
Speaker 2: Rudy gobert or A donovan a similar haul you got
27:40
Speaker 2: For Rudy, Gobert i'm Keeping lowry because next year you're
27:45
Speaker 2: gonna try to win, again, Presumably and we got a
27:49
Speaker 2: tweet about. That there's you, know not a lot of.
27:51
Speaker 2: People the bird in the hand is worth two in the,
27:55
Speaker 2: bush all. Right so draft capital is. Wonderful it's a
27:59
Speaker 2: luxury if you can get, it if you have a
28:01
Speaker 2: history of drafting incredibly well and developing incredibly. Well do
28:06
Speaker 2: we trust that This Utah jazz franchise under the current
28:09
Speaker 2: leadership has that. Reputation part of the reason that The
28:13
Speaker 2: New England patriots back in the day were able to
28:15
Speaker 2: unload big time, veterans let somebody else pay them all
28:18
Speaker 2: their money and use the draft capital is because say
28:22
Speaker 2: what you want About Bill belichick and his cheating and
28:25
Speaker 2: the fact that it's embarrassing what's going on with him
28:27
Speaker 2: In North carolina and with the girlfriend and all that,
28:29
Speaker 2: stuff the guy was an absolute wizard when it came
28:34
Speaker 2: to identifying talent that maybe nobody else in THE nfl
28:37
Speaker 2: was paying attention, to utilizing guys usually like random lacrosse
28:43
Speaker 2: players or quarterbacks or, small little white guys that nobody
28:47
Speaker 2: else really gave any credit. To and he had the
28:49
Speaker 2: luxury Of Tom brady being his quarterback who erased pretty
28:53
Speaker 2: much every significant error you could make as a.
28:55
Speaker 3: Coach.
28:56
Speaker 2: Right so part of the reason that that model doesn't
28:59
Speaker 2: work for everybody is because you don't draft as well
29:03
Speaker 2: as they, do or you don't develop as well as they.
29:05
Speaker 2: Do you can't continually just trade away good, things establish
29:10
Speaker 2: things for the potential of a great. Future if you're
29:14
Speaker 2: really good at identifying and developing, potential let's gamble that.
29:18
Speaker 2: Way but The jazz don't have a spectacular track record
29:22
Speaker 2: of that as a. FRANCHISE i think The ages probably
29:27
Speaker 2: probably feel, like, well we know what we're doing on that,
29:29
Speaker 2: front and maybe a lot Of jazz fans feel that as.
29:32
Speaker 3: Well And Ace bailey is a great story this.
29:37
Speaker 2: YEAR i did not like the way that that story,
29:40
Speaker 2: started BUT i like the way it's going right. Now
29:42
Speaker 2: and that's a credit To ace and to everyone in that.
29:45
Speaker 2: Building so if you use him as the, example maybe
29:48
Speaker 2: you do believe.
29:50
Speaker 3: Yeah by all means.
29:52
Speaker 2: Lowry or whatever for a bunch of draft, capital or
29:56
Speaker 2: like maybe maybe you're more like, less you're a little
30:00
Speaker 2: bit more risk, averse you're less likely to extend yourself that.
30:04
Speaker 2: Far and you've gone with what for two percent of
30:07
Speaker 2: the respondents on the poll have so far At RILO C,
30:10
Speaker 2: Sports by the, way trade the bench vets for Picks
30:14
Speaker 2: george And, Yang Kevin love, whoever like somebody might need.
30:18
Speaker 2: Them you're not gonna get a big haul like you
30:21
Speaker 2: would For, lowry but you're gonna get a little, something
30:25
Speaker 2: and that's a more conservative. Approach this is all but
30:28
Speaker 2: before a trade deadline that comes On, thursday by the,
30:31
Speaker 2: Way so eight seven seven three five three zero seven
30:33
Speaker 2: hundred ten what you think The jazz should?
30:35
Speaker 3: Do you know what you?
30:37
Speaker 2: Want my early prediction of what will happen with Your, Jazz,
30:41
Speaker 2: yeah nobody's getting. Traded they're gonna, try BUT i don't
30:47
Speaker 2: think that they're gonna get the price that they want For.
30:50
Speaker 2: LOWRY i think they're gonna get some calls About Walker
30:53
Speaker 2: kestler despite him being, injured because he him being a
30:57
Speaker 2: restricted free, Agent he's still under team can any spectacular
31:02
Speaker 2: young talent at his. Position SO i think they're gonna
31:05
Speaker 2: get some calls for those. GUYS i don't think they're
31:07
Speaker 2: gonna get the offers they want to move off of.
31:09
Speaker 2: Them and THEN i don't they're gonna try to. Offload
31:12
Speaker 2: they're gonna try to Offload nurkics for that kind of.
31:14
Speaker 2: Package they're gonna try to Offload Kevin love for that
31:18
Speaker 2: kind of. PACKAGE i think they're gonna get some, interest
31:19
Speaker 2: BUT i my prediction is nothing. Happens we have the
31:22
Speaker 2: exact same team going into the second half the, season
31:25
Speaker 2: and Austin aine just gonna be made to look like
31:28
Speaker 2: a liar because they're gonna have to manipulate minutes in
31:32
Speaker 2: order to keep the end lineups in order.
31:35
Speaker 3: To keep the. PICK i was told we wouldn't see
31:38
Speaker 3: that this.
31:38
Speaker 4: YEAR i won't see that this.
31:41
Speaker 3: Year in on the text.
31:43
Speaker 2: Line in my, opinion a rebuild shouldn't last more than
31:45
Speaker 2: five years to at least be. Competitive the pieces should
31:49
Speaker 2: at least be in place by year. Three year, four
31:51
Speaker 2: you should be making dramatic. Progress in year, five you
31:54
Speaker 2: should be comfortably in the. Playoffs if that's not the,
31:57
Speaker 2: case then changes might need to. Happen AND i think
31:59
Speaker 2: what you probably alluding to there is changes that are
32:03
Speaker 2: not player personnel. Changes players can only do what they
32:07
Speaker 2: can do, right and everyone's trying as hard as they.
32:09
Speaker 2: Can now you're talking about roster, construction leadership type. Changes
32:13
Speaker 2: also the follow, UP i truly hate the Trade lowry.
32:15
Speaker 2: Idea we know That lowry is, Awesome getting three first
32:18
Speaker 2: round picks that are at the end of the first
32:21
Speaker 2: round is not going to help when. Competing you have
32:23
Speaker 2: to have a starting, point And lowry is that So
32:26
Speaker 2: If lowry is your starting, point THAT'S i agree with
32:29
Speaker 2: a lot of what you. Said If lower's your starting,
32:31
Speaker 2: point and then he is the player that, okay are
32:34
Speaker 2: we going to build around? Him, again going back to
32:37
Speaker 2: my original, point everyone in that, Building lowry, included should
32:42
Speaker 2: be coming up To Keyante george and saying congratulations on
32:45
Speaker 2: your focus and your work ethic translating to what you
32:48
Speaker 2: are as a player this year because you accelerated the
32:51
Speaker 2: timeline for this entire. Franchise and maybe the only people
32:55
Speaker 2: who don't like it are the folks that are now
32:59
Speaker 2: accountable to win next year.
33:02
Speaker 3: Because you have.
33:03
Speaker 2: To AND i Think Will hardy's probably so excited about
33:06
Speaker 2: it because there's a certain level of fatigue with being
33:10
Speaker 2: asked to coach through a rebuild as, well even when
33:13
Speaker 2: you're a bright young guy that people think can do
33:14
Speaker 2: some good. Things All, right we're way over time, here
33:17
Speaker 2: BUT i know that our next, Guest Gordy, chase is
33:19
Speaker 2: gonna have some thoughts on all of. This it's The
33:21
Speaker 2: sean O'Connell show ON espn seven hundred and ninety TWO.
33:24
Speaker 3: Nfm he's.
33:35
Speaker 1: Out let's get the latest on The Utah jazz with
33:37
Speaker 1: former jazz assistant Coach Gordy. Chiasa if he's forgotten.
33:41
Speaker 2: More about THE nba than any of us will ever,
33:43
Speaker 2: Know let's not get. Crazy come for the hoops. Talk
33:46
Speaker 2: stay for his list of the DAY a list. Today
33:49
Speaker 2: here's OH c.
33:50
Speaker 1: With basketball, Savon Gordy chiasa on The sean O'Connell.
33:53
Speaker 2: Show Manad, On welcome back to the, show O'Connell's.
34:05
Speaker 3: Show welcome, In Gordy chiesa or RESIDENT nba, Guru, gordy how.
34:09
Speaker 4: Are, you? Sir?
34:11
Speaker 5: Sure AND i am doing to? Fight all?
34:13
Speaker 2: Right so we're talking about the approaching trade deadline and
34:17
Speaker 2: we had a hockey guest on, Yesterday Tom, callahan WHO
34:21
Speaker 2: i mentioned something about The mammoth being at the tail
34:24
Speaker 2: end of a, rebuild and he pushed back and, said, no, no, no,
34:26
Speaker 2: no the rebuild is. Over it's playoffs or. Bust now
34:29
Speaker 2: a year, five you can't call it a rebuild. Anymore
34:31
Speaker 2: and it had me thinking really all night after the
34:34
Speaker 2: show was over and even this, morning AND i was, like,
34:36
Speaker 2: okay so how long should we allow.
34:39
Speaker 3: For rebuilds to take?
34:40
Speaker 2: Place AND i think it's different sport by, sport and
34:43
Speaker 2: in THE, nba your rebuild could be shorter because you
34:46
Speaker 2: get one great talent and then you're able to accelerate that.
34:50
Speaker 2: Process but we know that The jazz have been kind
34:52
Speaker 2: of in this phase for a while. Now as a
34:55
Speaker 2: rule of, Thumb, gordy do you have a set number
34:58
Speaker 2: of years where, like, hey if you're gonna be, rebuilding
35:01
Speaker 2: you can only be rebuilding for this?
35:03
Speaker 5: Long, yes that will be roughly three to five. Years all,
35:08
Speaker 5: Right so The jazz right now is in the fourth.
35:10
Speaker 5: Season the last time The jazz made the playoffs was
35:13
Speaker 5: twenty twenty, two so that was going to be Probably
35:17
Speaker 5: i'm assuming right now that The jazz are not a playoff,
35:20
Speaker 5: team so be four years. Now so next year is
35:23
Speaker 5: a critical year and The jazz standing right now With
35:26
Speaker 5: jazz right now with their record of being fifteen and,
35:30
Speaker 5: thirty which it equals to forty five, games it seems
35:34
Speaker 5: to me that they're planning head for next.
35:36
Speaker 2: Year Does keyante's emergence this year serve as something that
35:43
Speaker 2: changes that timeline where he emerged so successfully now you
35:48
Speaker 2: can shave a year off of what you were in
35:50
Speaker 2: the front office, expected or are we looking at a
35:54
Speaker 2: guy who just is maybe a pleasant surprise that doesn't
35:57
Speaker 2: change your overall.
35:57
Speaker 5: Plan he's not a surprise because he's really a talented.
36:05
Speaker 5: Scorer but for The jazz to win him and his
36:09
Speaker 5: other allies on his, team they have to defend. Also
36:13
Speaker 5: so The jazz just, situationally they have to really just
36:18
Speaker 5: get better. Overall but he's a, talent and So's Ace,
36:23
Speaker 5: bailey and so Is Larry, marketing and so Is Walker. Tesla,
36:28
Speaker 5: defensively he hasn't. Played he only played the first five
36:31
Speaker 5: games this, year and so a lot of times it's
36:33
Speaker 5: out of, side out of. Mind but The jazz need
36:35
Speaker 5: those four guys to keep accelerating offensively but also, defensively
36:42
Speaker 5: and that's when you'll know more about The. Jazz so,
36:44
Speaker 5: example when they're supposed to be, built and also The,
36:48
Speaker 5: thunder both those teams don't play good defense with an
36:52
Speaker 5: addition of the older, Scorers so The jazz have to
36:56
Speaker 5: address that as far as their core guys and the
37:00
Speaker 5: guys in the future, draft and the twenty twenty sixth
37:03
Speaker 5: draft is going to be really it's really one to.
37:06
Speaker 5: Ten you can make a. Discussion all ten guys will
37:09
Speaker 5: be value contributors and at top of the draft's going
37:11
Speaker 5: to be guys that could be franchise defense.
37:14
Speaker 2: Makers we were talking because you just mentioned the top
37:18
Speaker 2: of that, draft we were talking a lot about Aj.
37:21
Speaker 2: DEBONSA i don't know if you've got a chance to
37:23
Speaker 2: WATCH byu Versus, kansas but you, KNOW i think because
37:28
Speaker 2: of what we know about, him how highly compensated he,
37:31
Speaker 2: is the ranking he had coming out of high school
37:33
Speaker 2: as far as recruiting and things like, THAT i know
37:36
Speaker 2: it makes me hyper critical in the way THAT i
37:39
Speaker 2: watch him. Play and now you, Know i'm starting to
37:42
Speaker 2: ask the. QUESTION i think he's going to be a
37:44
Speaker 2: GREAT nba. PLAYER i think he's going to figure it,
37:46
Speaker 2: out But i'm starting to ask the question about how
37:49
Speaker 2: ready he is for elite elite talent and elite elite
37:52
Speaker 2: competition right, now because the best teams that we've SEEN
37:56
Speaker 2: byu play, against he has not necessarily showed his. Greatness
38:00
Speaker 2: against lesser, competition he puts up forty points and ten
38:04
Speaker 2: rebounds and looks like the dominant player we all expected
38:06
Speaker 2: him to. BE i don't know if we're seeing that
38:09
Speaker 2: when he's playing against ranked teams and he's playing against
38:11
Speaker 2: teams that have OTHER nba lottery picks on. Them is
38:15
Speaker 2: that a fair assessment is that HOW nba teams look
38:18
Speaker 2: at guys like that when they're going into games like.
38:21
Speaker 5: That for MOST nba, TEAMS i view would also is
38:28
Speaker 5: that visualize him in AN nba game where there's other
38:31
Speaker 5: talented players in the court where they can't really just
38:34
Speaker 5: focus totally on. Him so Say kansas And houston On saturday,
38:39
Speaker 5: night which another big game AT, byu they Played Houston,
38:42
Speaker 5: cougars who is serious defensive. Team they're going to be
38:45
Speaker 5: absolutely more, physical box and one trick, defenses trap defenses
38:51
Speaker 5: versus him to try to get him more off. Stride
38:53
Speaker 5: so that's what he's dealing with right. Now next year
38:56
Speaker 5: in THE nba and after, that they're going to try
38:59
Speaker 5: to stop him like all talented, scorers but it won't
39:03
Speaker 5: be the same as far as IF i don't score right,
39:06
Speaker 5: now it hurts my team. Dramatically so he's not ready
39:10
Speaker 5: to be a franchise player because only nineteen years. Old
39:14
Speaker 5: but absolutely he's talent enough to really be a tremendous
39:18
Speaker 5: player with just more strength and with more allies on
39:23
Speaker 5: the floor as far as THE nba, Contexts so, again
39:26
Speaker 5: it youet the future cast out how you view, him
39:29
Speaker 5: he'll be a high draft pick and he. Will he'll
39:32
Speaker 5: be a TREMENDOUS nba. Player right now on college, basketball
39:36
Speaker 5: he's getting different looks against. Him they're all trying to
39:40
Speaker 5: solely stop so it's almost like trying to score the
39:42
Speaker 5: ball and make plays where it's. Showing it's almost like
39:46
Speaker 5: a five against. Three even though The cougars have other
39:50
Speaker 5: talented players on the, court they're all focusing on. Him that's,
39:53
Speaker 5: Right Richard stys to getting the upward looks because they're
39:56
Speaker 5: all trying to guard. Him To.
39:57
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40:06
Speaker 2: Right so this this trade deadline approaches and every time we, talk, it's,
40:11
Speaker 2: hey is something gonna happen With?
40:12
Speaker 3: Giannis Where's gianni's gonna end?
40:15
Speaker 2: Up giannis is the first domino that needs to fall
40:18
Speaker 2: before anything else serious. Happens and we're a couple of days,
40:22
Speaker 2: away and a lot of teams have made their pitches
40:24
Speaker 2: and a lot of conversations have, happened and The bucks
40:28
Speaker 2: yesterday apparently we're making counteroffers and things like. That are
40:32
Speaker 2: we closer to knowing what's gonna happen With.
40:34
Speaker 5: Giannis yes for, closer yes we, are is that he's
40:41
Speaker 5: probably be traded between now And thursday at three O'clock east,
40:45
Speaker 5: Coast east coast, time one o'clock here in Sol Lake.
40:49
Speaker 5: City he's probably gonna go to one of these four
40:53
Speaker 5: Teams New, York, Miami Golden, state or The. Timberwolves and
40:58
Speaker 5: What bucks is saying because The bucks now made a
41:01
Speaker 5: decision in their war room that we had a great
41:04
Speaker 5: run With giannis for twelve and a half, years one
41:08
Speaker 5: championshipship back in twenty twenty. One they want to have
41:11
Speaker 5: a lot of, assets so they're going to quote rebuild
41:16
Speaker 5: with this starting this draft right. Now SO i, Know,
41:20
Speaker 5: bucks it's hard to believe that that The bucks right
41:23
Speaker 5: now are in twelve seed in The east with only eighteen.
41:26
Speaker 5: Wins The jets have fifteen, Wins nets will just have thirteen,
41:30
Speaker 5: Wins pagers have thirteen, Wins pelicans thirteen, wins And king thirteen.
41:35
Speaker 5: Wins i'm tired of saying thirteen right. Now and this
41:38
Speaker 5: shows you. That so they're in the bottom six and
41:41
Speaker 5: they're going to use that Use they're going to try
41:43
Speaker 5: to Trade giannis to get as much as they can for.
41:47
Speaker 5: Him they're seeking young, talent but more importantly future first
41:51
Speaker 5: round draft picks who can match that as far as
41:55
Speaker 5: what they, want and if, not they're going to do over.
41:58
Speaker 5: Showing the week of the, draft which is most times
42:02
Speaker 5: historically will be the fourth week Of.
42:04
Speaker 2: June New, York, Miami Golden, state And. Minnesota is that
42:14
Speaker 2: what you, Said?
42:15
Speaker 5: Minnesota? Yeah, yeah Because minnesota right, Now, again all four
42:18
Speaker 5: of those teams have a short window right, now nixt
42:20
Speaker 5: one to win right. Now maybe heats who's overachieving right.
42:25
Speaker 5: Now they think That giannics could help. Them is for
42:28
Speaker 5: a short term meaning right. Now in long, Term yanis is,
42:31
Speaker 5: ironically he's hurt right now with a righte calf. String
42:34
Speaker 5: he's not coming back Probably i'm at a, doctor But
42:37
Speaker 5: i'm not until probably Roughly march seventh they trade for.
42:42
Speaker 5: Him he's not going to play for almost a month
42:45
Speaker 5: because of that calf. String so it's even more different.
42:48
Speaker 5: Dramatic so those four, Teams sean was going to be
42:54
Speaker 5: Possibly James Harden that's the one That i'm thinking about
42:57
Speaker 5: the last half a. Day so The clippers Were jane
43:00
Speaker 5: hardened trying to move them on and try to get
43:04
Speaker 5: him to The cavaliers For Darius. Garland it's actually very
43:09
Speaker 5: interesting if they can pull that off both.
43:10
Speaker 2: Teams but staying With giannis here for just a. Second
43:14
Speaker 2: of those four, teams which fit do you like? Best
43:18
Speaker 2: which would be the most successful landing spot For?
43:22
Speaker 5: Giannis Golden state because they have a short term right,
43:29
Speaker 5: now they're trying to, win So giannis would help them
43:32
Speaker 5: coming to be part of that. Deal and If I'm Golden,
43:35
Speaker 5: STATE i would Throw Inos pagenski Or Moses moody to
43:39
Speaker 5: make it, work plus draft picks or even more. Players so,
43:42
Speaker 5: Again Steph curry's. Brilliance they've had four champions, already eight
43:47
Speaker 5: times in THE Nba, finals they think they can get
43:50
Speaker 5: one more possibly or at least try to the ultimate
43:54
Speaker 5: Before Steph curry, retires which we know it's going to happen,
43:59
Speaker 5: eventually whether it's next season or the season after. That
44:03
Speaker 5: so that makes the most sense for them and The.
44:05
Speaker 5: Warriors they used to being risk taker With Jimmy. Butler, also.
44:12
Speaker 2: When we talk about this being a trade instead of
44:15
Speaker 2: a free agent, decision Does janis have any poll any
44:19
Speaker 2: influence with The milwaukee front office right? Now like if
44:23
Speaker 2: you would rather go To Golden state than To, minnesota
44:27
Speaker 2: and the packages can't be identical, obviously but if they're,
44:30
Speaker 2: similar Would milwaukee do him the favor of setting him
44:33
Speaker 2: where he wants to go given everything he's meant to the?
44:35
Speaker 2: Franchise or is this a total organizational decision With gianni's
44:39
Speaker 2: just having to ride it, out.
44:42
Speaker 5: Total decision by your. Organization, absolutely he once had leverage like,
44:46
Speaker 5: that but no more. So it's interesting as always who
44:49
Speaker 5: has leverage shown or perceive leverage as far as the.
44:53
Speaker 5: NEGOTIATION a lot of times people have fools Gold jannis had,
44:57
Speaker 5: that will say last, summer but not. Now and it's so.
45:01
Speaker 5: Interesting in THE, nba the world turns really, little truly
45:04
Speaker 5: every twenty four, hours AND i FOR nba Point guard
45:08
Speaker 5: showing the world turns every twenty four. Seconds so Again
45:11
Speaker 5: i'm stuck on twenty Four you need twenty four hours
45:13
Speaker 5: and twenty four. Seconds and just shows you that you
45:17
Speaker 5: think you think you have it all in the, Control
45:20
Speaker 5: sean have it all in the? Control it's all about?
45:22
Speaker 5: Me oh, really it's all about?
45:24
Speaker 4: Me?
45:24
Speaker 5: Sure and it's. Not and That's James harden right. Now
45:28
Speaker 5: we'll see you with The, clippers who again they have
45:31
Speaker 5: a short window that can they pulled off and move
45:36
Speaker 5: On James harden and Get Darius, scarland so they would
45:40
Speaker 5: gain ten years on the author as the age Of
45:46
Speaker 5: harden's thirty six And Darius collins twenty, six so it's
45:50
Speaker 5: ten years if you're more. Intriguing right, now the agent's
45:53
Speaker 5: For Darius, Calands Rich paul Of Clutch, sports who's based IN.
45:57
Speaker 5: La that's a. Factor also now With James, harden The
46:03
Speaker 5: clippers hurt his feelings when he said to him recently
46:06
Speaker 5: that we're not going to extend. You he wanted two more,
46:08
Speaker 5: years eighty million dollar. Extension they said we're. Not and
46:12
Speaker 5: so that's what's. ACCELERATED i want to get me out of,
46:15
Speaker 5: here and that's what excited the last two three. Days
46:18
Speaker 5: that's been really. Interesting now from The cabs point of,
46:21
Speaker 5: VIEW i wouldn't do it because Suddenly Donovan mitchell is
46:24
Speaker 5: happened next to him a Sidekick James, harden who is
46:27
Speaker 5: absolutely ball. Dominant so he dominates the ball and he's
46:32
Speaker 5: a really cool showing on a good, day a casual
46:35
Speaker 5: Defender James. Harden If I'm Donovan, MITCHELL i don't want
46:39
Speaker 5: him on my. Team so we'll see who wins that
46:41
Speaker 5: as far as the decision. Making let's go quickly About
46:45
Speaker 5: James harden though historically what he's done that as far
46:49
Speaker 5: as how he, plays is that he always wants to
46:53
Speaker 5: be in the center of intention of, attention and that's
46:56
Speaker 5: really sets back so many. Franchises so he's and traded
47:01
Speaker 5: you matraded so back in twenty twelve he left The
47:05
Speaker 5: thunder with that crew Of westbrook and also With Kevin
47:08
Speaker 5: durant to go to The rockets because The thunder wouldn't extend.
47:13
Speaker 5: Him and twenty, one twenty twenty, one he left The
47:16
Speaker 5: rockets to The nets because The nets were starting over
47:20
Speaker 5: he wanted to be the focal. Point in twenty twenty,
47:23
Speaker 5: Two nets got tired of. Him they traded him to
47:25
Speaker 5: seventy sixes because The nets many of the. Mistake they
47:29
Speaker 5: traded him For Ben simmons just to get rid Of.
47:31
Speaker 5: Harden in twenty twenty, three The sixers moving on to
47:35
Speaker 5: The clippers over a contract dispute with the seventy six,
47:39
Speaker 5: ers and now who you are twenty twenty six The
47:41
Speaker 5: clippers are going to trade him to question Them, uk
47:44
Speaker 5: possibly The calves or someone. Else the next day or
47:49
Speaker 5: two because of what because of an extension as far
47:53
Speaker 5: as didn't get. One so you see, it he's a.
47:57
Speaker 1: Problem well like.
48:00
Speaker 2: Everyone kind of knows that at this, Point. Gordy so
48:04
Speaker 2: when Does.
48:04
Speaker 5: SEAN i love? It we're just, Saying, SEAN i love
48:08
Speaker 5: what you're saying right. NOW i know where you're going
48:09
Speaker 5: out before you even said how does?
48:11
Speaker 4: It?
48:12
Speaker 5: Obvious is never obvious to the, Oblivious.
48:15
Speaker 2: Okay BUT i Mean i'm as close to oblivious as
48:18
Speaker 2: you can be when it comes TO nba basketball AND
48:20
Speaker 2: i look at somebody Like James harden AND i, Say,
48:22
Speaker 2: wow that's a guy who will help you win regular
48:25
Speaker 2: season basketball games and they'll score you some. Points and
48:29
Speaker 2: every team that has ever had him has come up
48:32
Speaker 2: short in their playoff, expectations their championship. Expectations SO i
48:37
Speaker 2: know it's not all his, fault but it's kind of
48:39
Speaker 2: off his.
48:40
Speaker 3: Fault so when will team start treating it that?
48:42
Speaker 4: Way?
48:45
Speaker 5: Never, never because because everyone's likes the Talent levelcause he's
48:51
Speaker 5: a talented. Player we're talking to a lifetime score of
48:53
Speaker 5: twenty five points a game and roughly nine. Dimes so
48:57
Speaker 5: he's a talented offensive. Player and that's why teams always
49:03
Speaker 5: say these magical. Words, oh on our team and with our,
49:07
Speaker 5: chemistry we can get him on our page as far
49:10
Speaker 5: as there. Winning that's what they. Say if he acts The,
49:13
Speaker 5: thunder The, rockets The, nets the seventy, six's and now The,
49:16
Speaker 5: clippers they're saying, no so again showing these magical words
49:22
Speaker 5: Of gordon Shas. It the obvious is very obvious to
49:26
Speaker 5: the oblivious that his words right. Now if you're driving
49:30
Speaker 5: right now and two fifteen OR i, fifteen use those
49:34
Speaker 5: words right now your next meeting when you can't say
49:38
Speaker 5: at a meeting in business where you say yourself these awful.
49:41
Speaker 5: WORDS i can't believe What i'm hearing at this meeting right.
49:45
Speaker 5: Now this is so far from. Reality phillip blinks. In
49:48
Speaker 5: was an insurance? Company was it a basketball? Team was
49:51
Speaker 5: IT nfl? Team was it a baseball? Team was? It
49:54
Speaker 5: was it some sort of a medical.
49:56
Speaker 3: Team so this is an unfair.
50:01
Speaker 2: Question but we're talking about all, star big, time all
50:03
Speaker 2: star level players Like, joannis talking About James, harden and
50:08
Speaker 2: there's always going to be something that comes, back. Right
50:11
Speaker 2: it's not just. Picks there's gonna be some packages. Players
50:13
Speaker 2: you Mentioned Darius, garland who is the Non All star
50:17
Speaker 2: that you could see getting moved this trade deadline that
50:20
Speaker 2: will be most impactful to whichever team he lands on
50:22
Speaker 2: a Non all.
50:23
Speaker 4: STAR.
50:24
Speaker 5: Cj, McCollum he got the trader ready To Dolento, hawks
50:29
Speaker 5: and McCollum could be also out there again the next
50:33
Speaker 5: day or two because everyone every really good team and
50:37
Speaker 5: The hawks you're trying to, bite fighting claw to get
50:39
Speaker 5: into the into the playing. Tournament but if, again If
50:42
Speaker 5: i'm If i'm The, hawks you might be USE. Cj
50:45
Speaker 5: McCollum for another. Trade so everybody wants him on their
50:50
Speaker 5: team because he's a shot. Maker he's thirty three years.
50:54
Speaker 5: Young he knows how to play the game with and
50:57
Speaker 5: without the. Ball and If i'm a team that needs
51:01
Speaker 5: a guard, again If i'm The, CAVALIERS i read out
51:04
Speaker 5: on my Team jady McCollum Then James harden to play
51:08
Speaker 5: alongside Of Donovan. Mitchell so he'd be out there right,
51:12
Speaker 5: now should, be AND i would take. THEM i would
51:14
Speaker 5: take them right.
51:15
Speaker 3: Away all, Right, gordy what's your list?
51:17
Speaker 4: Today all?
51:18
Speaker 5: Right my list, today and it's right our, segment so
51:20
Speaker 5: you KNOW i didn't, talk but this is right our
51:22
Speaker 5: sigment about about the college, draft and how some the
51:27
Speaker 5: bans are type. People, hey are they impactful right? Away,
51:31
Speaker 5: well it TAKES x amount of. Years HiT's the list right,
51:34
Speaker 5: now THE nba players who are selected to be An
51:37
Speaker 5: All Star game in the rookie. Season THE nba players
51:42
Speaker 5: that made Their All Star game rookie. Season BUT i
51:46
Speaker 5: broke it down to really from nineteen eighty until, present
51:50
Speaker 5: so it's forty six. Years it's a very short. List,
51:54
Speaker 5: hey we all thought possibly That Cooper flag was going
51:57
Speaker 5: to turn around The mavericks and be right away be
52:00
Speaker 5: a knockout. Punch and that guy is very. Good that's
52:03
Speaker 5: the first Premise i'm, saying he's very. Good didn't make
52:06
Speaker 5: The All star. Team here's the guys in nineteen eighty
52:10
Speaker 5: that have made The All Star team as a rookie
52:12
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty Rookies Bill cartwright of The, Knicks Larry
52:16
Speaker 5: bird of The, celtics And Magic johnson of The lakers
52:20
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty, Two Buck williams of The, Nets Kelly chapuka
52:25
Speaker 5: of The, Pistons Isaiah thomas of The pistons in nineteen eighty,
52:30
Speaker 5: Four Ralph sampson in nineteen eighty, five a guy Named
52:35
Speaker 5: Michael jordan of The bulls and a Team arajiwan of
52:39
Speaker 5: The rockets in nineteen eighty, Six Patrick ewing of The
52:44
Speaker 5: knicks in nineteen, Ninety David robinson of The spurs in
52:49
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety, two To Kember mutumba of The nuggets in
52:54
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety, Three shaquille O'Neal of The magic in nineteen ninety,
52:59
Speaker 5: Five Grant hell of The pistons nineteen ninety, Eight Tim
53:05
Speaker 5: duncan of The spurs two thousand and, Three Yao ming
53:10
Speaker 5: of The, rockets and he's the last. Name it happened
53:13
Speaker 5: in twenty, eleven so this is right now two thousand
53:17
Speaker 5: and twenty, six so it's been basically fifteen years since
53:23
Speaker 5: a guy at rookie made The All Star. Team the
53:26
Speaker 5: last guy to do Was Blake griffith of The. Clippers
53:30
Speaker 5: and the reason why is this the other guys are
53:33
Speaker 5: good in THE nba and now with most of the
53:37
Speaker 5: players entering THE nba at a way too young, age
53:41
Speaker 5: almost as teenagers or a guy for the young, twenties
53:46
Speaker 5: they mostly lack inexperience and there's a strength, issue a
53:50
Speaker 5: lack of yet they're all what athletically. Gifted this is
53:54
Speaker 5: a man's, league whether it's THE nba or THE. Nfl
53:58
Speaker 5: that's my list of.
53:58
Speaker 2: Today who's the strongest guy in TODAY'S. Nba you think
54:05
Speaker 2: speaking of, that that that man's.
54:07
Speaker 5: League all, right strongest guy in THE, Nba Steven. ADAMS
54:14
Speaker 5: i was about.
54:14
Speaker 2: To, say you hear, LIKE i, mean he's hurt right, now,
54:17
Speaker 2: right but you hear these these legendary stories about how
54:20
Speaker 2: and it makes sense when you get like it's one
54:23
Speaker 2: of seventeen kids or something on his size makes.
54:26
Speaker 5: Sense he's, strong and he's and you hate some In New,
54:30
Speaker 5: zealand which means what he has no fear of. ANYTHING
54:35
Speaker 5: i love, you, Well.
54:38
Speaker 2: I'd probably be afraid of my sevent my sixteen brothers
54:41
Speaker 2: and sisters IF i was. Him but that's that's neither
54:44
Speaker 2: here nor, There.
54:45
Speaker 5: Gordon now you, fight you're fighting at the dinner. Table you,
54:48
Speaker 5: fighting you get a piece of.
54:50
Speaker 2: Chicken and they're all, giant by the, way every single
54:52
Speaker 2: one of them is huge like. Him so good luck
54:55
Speaker 2: feeding that.
54:56
Speaker 5: Brood so this week's gonna listen to this THE nba trading.
55:01
Speaker 5: Deadline it's gonna be so. Interesting the js we'll see
55:05
Speaker 5: might make something as far as on the on the,
55:07
Speaker 5: margins try and move on a player or two on
55:11
Speaker 5: that a contract is up On jube to life first
55:14
Speaker 5: and try to acquire some assets and meaning maybe some
55:17
Speaker 5: future second round. Picks so that's what the chairs probably might.
55:20
Speaker 2: Consider GORDIAN i was appreciate your, time, Sir thanks very.
55:25
Speaker 5: Much Thanks. Sean peace, Out Gordia.
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Speaker 2: are trading an all Star Jaron Jackson junior to The
57:20
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57:26
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57:29
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57:36
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57:39
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57:43
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57:46
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57:50
Speaker 2: do you think of this breaking?
57:51
Speaker 7: News, well you, know first of, all is this the
57:56
Speaker 7: deal Where Danny ainge has given up the most first round?
57:59
Speaker 7: Picks because you usually Trader danny is the one financing,
58:02
Speaker 7: people and this is a lot of first, round first
58:05
Speaker 7: round Pick and, uh that's the first THING i. Say
58:08
Speaker 7: but you, know it's interesting because a lot of the
58:11
Speaker 7: things that have been said Since Ryan smith took over
58:14
Speaker 7: To jazz, is you, know are they gonna? Win are
58:17
Speaker 7: they gonna? Win when are they gonna? Win or when
58:19
Speaker 7: is it gonna get? Going what is this? Rebuild what's gonna?
58:22
Speaker 7: Happen AND i think Lending Jaron Jackson junior at this
58:26
Speaker 7: point in, time you, know Maximizing, laurie maximizing everything we're
58:32
Speaker 7: seeing From, keance you, Know, Fromance george and Also Walker.
58:37
Speaker 7: KESTLER i, mean think about, this this is a lineup
58:40
Speaker 7: now that you Play laurie marketing as a small, forward
58:44
Speaker 7: not as a power. Forward that's a pretty darn big
58:47
Speaker 7: lineup right where you have you, Know fante and then
58:51
Speaker 7: you know you find now your too guard for this
58:54
Speaker 7: for the. Future is it gonna be a j? Right
58:57
Speaker 7: who is it going to be your too guard for the?
58:59
Speaker 7: Future and they have law you Know, laurie and then
59:02
Speaker 7: you Have Jaron jackson And Walker. Cousseler that's a lineup
59:07
Speaker 7: THAT i think makes the playoffs, easily, Right And i'm
59:11
Speaker 7: not just talking about.
59:12
Speaker 4: The play in. Game and so it's, exciting.
59:15
Speaker 7: RIGHT i, Know Ryan Big buyu, guy we actually saw
59:19
Speaker 7: each other And shadda for a bit On, saturday and you,
59:23
Speaker 7: know it's interesting to see his passion For, utah his
59:27
Speaker 7: passion for The, jazz you. Know BUT i will say,
59:30
Speaker 7: this it is much funner to follow THE nba when
59:35
Speaker 7: your local team is doing well when The jazz, are you,
59:38
Speaker 7: know a playoff. CONTENDER i actually watch More jazz games
59:42
Speaker 7: THAN i Do lakers. Games And i'm a dye Like
59:44
Speaker 7: laker fan back to when Eld gimble was the big
59:48
Speaker 7: man for The, lakers.
59:49
Speaker 4: Right and so to, Me i'm excited for.
59:53
Speaker 7: This because it puts The jazz in, hey we're actually
59:56
Speaker 7: trying to, win actually turn the corner on our, rebuild
1:00:01
Speaker 7: which means that you know that the rebuild.
1:00:05
Speaker 4: Is NOT i don't want to say it's, over but they're.
1:00:08
Speaker 7: Now, like we've stecked enough. Pieces we've got to go
1:00:10
Speaker 7: do some things with.
1:00:11
Speaker 2: THIS i couldn't agree with you. More and it's so.
1:00:14
Speaker 2: Funny we started the show. Today that was the first.
1:00:17
Speaker 2: Segment how long should you wait as a pro sports
1:00:19
Speaker 2: fan on a? Rebuild? Right is it a five year?
1:00:22
Speaker 2: Process is it a seven year? Process are you in?
1:00:25
Speaker 2: Patient and you make it a three year? Process and
1:00:27
Speaker 2: on that same day Where i'm asking this, question it
1:00:31
Speaker 2: feels like The jazz are, like all, right no more.
1:00:33
Speaker 3: Patients we're going to take a big.
1:00:35
Speaker 2: Swing AND i love the fact that this is very
1:00:38
Speaker 2: clearly a defensive minded. Move primarily that's What Jared jackson
1:00:43
Speaker 2: Junr is known. For he's An ALL nba. Defender he
1:00:47
Speaker 2: is a one time defensive player of The YEARS i already.
1:00:50
Speaker 2: Mentioned and you've heard everyone in the organization and everyone
1:00:54
Speaker 2: who watches the organization express their distaste for the way
1:00:59
Speaker 2: the defense is being played with This Utah jazz organization right,
1:01:02
Speaker 2: now SO i love the fact that they went out
1:01:04
Speaker 2: and they addressed that from a player personnel. Standpoint you
1:01:07
Speaker 2: brought in a guy who knows how to do, it
1:01:09
Speaker 2: who knows how to help establish that as a tone
1:01:12
Speaker 2: and a, culture and will demand accountability defensively from his.
1:01:15
Speaker 2: Teammates so you're checking a couple boxes here for. Me
1:01:19
Speaker 2: you're accelerating the time where people don't have to be patient,
1:01:23
Speaker 2: anymore and you're also addressing the defensive issues that this
1:01:26
Speaker 2: jazz roster has.
1:01:26
Speaker 4: HAD i agree and.
1:01:29
Speaker 7: Know and that's the, thing, RIGHT i, mean it's impossible
1:01:32
Speaker 7: in TODAY'S, nba with the salary cap and THE cba
1:01:37
Speaker 7: the way it is for you to keep you, know
1:01:39
Speaker 7: a quote unquote dynasty. TOGETHER i, mean think about the
1:01:43
Speaker 7: beginning of the season where everybody was talking, about, oh,
1:01:45
Speaker 7: okay season your dynasty and you, know, oh how far
1:01:49
Speaker 7: and how long ago does that scene that it? Was
1:01:52
Speaker 7: and so it's we're not going to SEE i have
1:01:55
Speaker 7: a very you, know if this was a, SHOW i
1:02:00
Speaker 7: would say never battle this BECAUSE i think the probability
1:02:03
Speaker 7: of having another dynasty like we saw with you, KNOW
1:02:09
Speaker 7: i mean look At Golden, state but even win three
1:02:12
Speaker 7: in a row With Kevin durant and and And Seth
1:02:15
Speaker 7: curry Now injuried lay the big role in that Right
1:02:17
Speaker 7: and then you looked at before, them The spurs and
1:02:21
Speaker 7: the heat and you, know, like to, me the WAY
1:02:25
Speaker 7: i look at this, IS i don't think we're going
1:02:27
Speaker 7: to see another dynasty in THE. Nba and so the
1:02:32
Speaker 7: field is why and ready to harvest and go figure
1:02:35
Speaker 7: out a way to just you, know have all the
1:02:37
Speaker 7: stars align and go get yourself a.
1:02:39
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1:02:44
Speaker 2: blue brought to you By Murdoch Ford Santa. Quins so
1:02:46
Speaker 2: we'll see how this plays out for The Utah. Jazz
1:02:48
Speaker 2: intriguing move as the first semi blockbuster trade at least
1:02:54
Speaker 2: in the Before THIS nba trade deadline does not Involve,
1:02:57
Speaker 2: giannis but instead brings A Memphis grizzlies all star To
1:03:02
Speaker 2: Salt Lake. City fun to see how this thing will
1:03:06
Speaker 2: be play. Out Jaron Jackson junior and a couple other
1:03:10
Speaker 2: Guys Jock londelle And Vince Williams, junior are headed to
1:03:14
Speaker 2: The Utah jazz in exchange For Walter, Clayton Kyle, Anderson Taylor,
1:03:18
Speaker 2: Hendrix George yang and three first round draft, picks which
1:03:23
Speaker 2: the JT's point is uncharacteristic of the ages to be
1:03:27
Speaker 2: giving away first round draft. Picks usually they're collecting. Them
1:03:30
Speaker 2: but we'll see how it plays. Out speaking of first
1:03:33
Speaker 2: round draft, PICKS i want to talk to you ABOUT byu.
1:03:36
Speaker 2: Basketball and, look it's tough in the, life is tough
1:03:40
Speaker 2: in The Big Twelve, conference a tough, stretch a matchup
1:03:43
Speaker 2: With kansas and now you Got houston. Coming and we
1:03:46
Speaker 2: were talking about this the other. Day the expectation for
1:03:50
Speaker 2: someone like Aj debonsa is probably unfairly high because we
1:03:54
Speaker 2: all know the kind of money he's bringing. In we
1:03:56
Speaker 2: know what he was ranked as a recruit coming out
1:03:58
Speaker 2: of high. School is he living up to the. EXPECTATION
1:04:02
Speaker 2: i know that there's time and when he gets, drafted
1:04:05
Speaker 2: WHATEVER nba team is going to be patient and they're
1:04:08
Speaker 2: gonna find ways to maximize his. Potential BUT byu doesn't
1:04:11
Speaker 2: have that. Luxury he's he's in provo for just a few.
1:04:15
Speaker 2: Months is he delivering on his potential and living up to,
1:04:19
Speaker 2: expectations especially in these big?
1:04:21
Speaker 3: Games for?
1:04:22
Speaker 7: You, yeah AND i think you hit the nail right
1:04:27
Speaker 7: on your. Head are we expecting too much Of Aj.
1:04:31
Speaker 7: Debonsa if you Compare Aj debonsa to another not another,
1:04:38
Speaker 7: player And i'm not even talking about A Richie saunders level.
1:04:40
Speaker 7: Player i'm talking about just a general playing. College the expectations.
1:04:44
Speaker 4: Are to the.
1:04:45
Speaker 7: Roof that's one hundred percent fair team to. Say with
1:04:48
Speaker 7: that being, said the expectations put in On aja are.
1:04:52
Speaker 7: Aligned was what do you expect from the number one
1:04:55
Speaker 7: player in high SCHOOL a McDonald's All, american arguably the
1:05:00
Speaker 7: number one prospect outside of THE, nba and someone that
1:05:05
Speaker 7: you know is largely viewed as the number one picking a.
1:05:08
Speaker 7: Draft and so when you you, know when you considered these,
1:05:14
Speaker 7: VARIABLES i don't think the pressure doesn't be poor ON
1:05:17
Speaker 7: aj is too much because he's that good of a,
1:05:20
Speaker 7: player because he has.
1:05:23
Speaker 4: Earned pressure is a, privilege.
1:05:25
Speaker 7: Right and and that's something that he has. Earned, NOW
1:05:30
Speaker 7: i don't think that a lot of what's happening WITH
1:05:32
Speaker 7: yu falls totally ON. Aj, sure Against arizona he was
1:05:37
Speaker 7: six for twenty, four scored twenty four, points but they're
1:05:40
Speaker 7: not shured the ball. Well, sure Against, kansas he didn't,
1:05:43
Speaker 7: deliver and you, Know Darren paterson outplayed. Him BUT i
1:05:47
Speaker 7: think when you look at at B yu as a,
1:05:50
Speaker 7: whole not only AT. Aj the issues THAT byu is
1:05:54
Speaker 7: facing right, now they are part fall ON, aj but
1:05:59
Speaker 7: there is a bigger part that. Doesn't and SO i
1:06:01
Speaker 7: think that you've got to be able to separate that
1:06:03
Speaker 7: you and be able to, say you, know the expectations
1:06:05
Speaker 7: OF aj debonds are you, know ISSUE a and expectations
1:06:11
Speaker 7: and issues WITH, byu you, know falls on this other
1:06:15
Speaker 7: plum because there's just a lot going on right, Now, sean.
1:06:20
Speaker 2: What are those other things that are going on THAT i,
1:06:22
Speaker 2: mean because obviously it's not a one man. Band that's
1:06:26
Speaker 2: a really talented, roster it's a really expensive. Roster what
1:06:30
Speaker 2: are the other issues that when you look at? It and,
1:06:32
Speaker 2: again these these big time matchups are the ones that.
1:06:35
Speaker 2: Matter the level set when you talk about the talent
1:06:39
Speaker 2: on that roster is not all, well you, know hopefully
1:06:42
Speaker 2: you win half of Your big twelve. Games the expectation
1:06:44
Speaker 2: is that this is a team that can push to
1:06:46
Speaker 2: make The final. Four so what are the other things
1:06:49
Speaker 2: BESIDES aj either living up in the big games or.
1:06:52
Speaker 2: Not what are the other things that have your attention
1:06:55
Speaker 2: right now for THIS byu basketball.
1:06:57
Speaker 7: Team, well you, know let's take a step back on.
1:07:02
Speaker 4: Everything when this team was.
1:07:03
Speaker 7: Constructed it was constructed with The Big, three but then
1:07:08
Speaker 7: With Nate pickens being the backup point, guard With Boston
1:07:12
Speaker 7: Baker baker being a backup tumble, guard With Brody kelslowski
1:07:18
Speaker 7: being a spread the floor knocked down.
1:07:21
Speaker 4: Shooter now all three of those guys had season ending, injuries.
1:07:26
Speaker 7: And so automatically everything that you expected to have in
1:07:31
Speaker 7: your supporting cast completely went out of the. Window and
1:07:34
Speaker 7: so that caused BY u to have to go and
1:07:37
Speaker 7: Find Alexei kostach who has under delivered and underperformed. Massively
1:07:43
Speaker 7: that has caused BY u to have to Play Mahailo.
1:07:47
Speaker 7: Boscovich Mihailo boscovich significantly more significantly more on As Kyles
1:07:56
Speaker 7: stollerborg is actually trying to taught me right. NOW i
1:07:58
Speaker 7: told him to turn on the The shan O'Callaghan show
1:08:01
Speaker 7: so he can hear me.
1:08:02
Speaker 4: Talking and so to, me.
1:08:06
Speaker 7: It's a significant thing because you don't have the way
1:08:10
Speaker 7: that you plan.
1:08:10
Speaker 4: For the team to actually.
1:08:13
Speaker 7: Happened and so from that, perspective they are now having
1:08:17
Speaker 7: to go into the third, calendar the fourth porn thret
1:08:20
Speaker 7: counter to actually be able to to actually be able
1:08:25
Speaker 7: to figure out how did they solve this? Problem and
1:08:28
Speaker 7: then you look at the poor the poor starter to.
1:08:30
Speaker 7: Games If Yu Kevie young deserves all the credit for
1:08:34
Speaker 7: being a second halftime adjustment coach and make great adjustments
1:08:38
Speaker 7: in the second, half, nonetheless the way That yu starts
1:08:42
Speaker 7: the game is extremely. Poor so that's another. Issue the
1:08:45
Speaker 7: fact that they have no outside. Shooting we haven't even
1:08:48
Speaker 7: talked About Todler, maruss who was supposed to be the,
1:08:50
Speaker 7: sniper was supposed to be the quote unquote trevinew of the,
1:08:54
Speaker 7: situation and he is shooting about thirty percent from. THREE i,
1:08:58
Speaker 7: mean you, know this is not baseball where thirty percent
1:09:02
Speaker 7: average will make it to The hall Of. Fame this
1:09:04
Speaker 7: is not very. Good and so it's just one of
1:09:07
Speaker 7: those things, that like by, you hasn't had luck on their.
1:09:11
Speaker 7: Side and, AGAIN i think the criticism for Everything i've
1:09:13
Speaker 7: talked about is very you know it's. Valid you look
1:09:16
Speaker 7: at all of the talking Heads John roth's. TEAM i
1:09:20
Speaker 7: forgot that there was someone else FROM espn that MENTIONED.
1:09:24
Speaker 7: Cbs i'm also saying the same. Thing they're all saying
1:09:27
Speaker 7: the same.
1:09:27
Speaker 4: Thing sean. B yu also doesn't have a marquee.
1:09:30
Speaker 7: Win if you look at, it their win Against wisconsin
1:09:34
Speaker 7: and then their win Against clemson highlight as their best
1:09:38
Speaker 7: wins of the. Season and none of those teams are,
1:09:41
Speaker 7: even you, know in a very good situation for that
1:09:44
Speaker 7: to be considered a quad. One and SO buyu has
1:09:48
Speaker 7: ten games, lap they had four games against top fifteen.
1:09:52
Speaker 7: Teams and you, Know i'm going back and forth With Jerem,
1:09:55
Speaker 7: jordan With Ben critto and a few other, people BECAUSE
1:09:58
Speaker 7: i think FOR byu to be at three or a
1:10:00
Speaker 7: four SEEDED ncaa, tournament they need to go at least
1:10:04
Speaker 7: eight and two or most likely nine to. One and that's, crazy,
1:10:08
Speaker 7: Right and so you, KNOW i Know i've Gone i've
1:10:11
Speaker 7: gone a little bit too. Long but WHAT i will
1:10:13
Speaker 7: say is there's a lot of expectations because you have
1:10:16
Speaker 7: the number one player in a, country your head coach
1:10:19
Speaker 7: was AN nba in waiting head, coach and the pay
1:10:23
Speaker 7: road that HIS nil team, has and so you, know
1:10:26
Speaker 7: when you look at all of these, factors it's way
1:10:29
Speaker 7: more than just is a jig bonsa living up to
1:10:32
Speaker 7: the extra.
1:10:32
Speaker 2: Thinks now that's, fair and you're never going too long
1:10:36
Speaker 2: because it's a thought out, answer but, uh it's fair to, say, well,
1:10:41
Speaker 2: yeah there's other things that in college, basketball the timeline
1:10:45
Speaker 2: is so much, different. RIGHT I, mean we look at
1:10:47
Speaker 2: these college football rosters AND byu is they've done a
1:10:51
Speaker 2: great job on the football front as well of maximizing
1:10:55
Speaker 2: nil and getting the right kind of guys who are
1:10:58
Speaker 2: there for you, know not just for the, money but
1:11:01
Speaker 2: also because they LOVE.
1:11:02
Speaker 3: Byu and you have to look.
1:11:04
Speaker 2: No further than this last transfer cycle where they did
1:11:06
Speaker 2: not really lose any significant.
1:11:08
Speaker 3: Players that's a good.
1:11:09
Speaker 2: Group you have time with that, group you have time to,
1:11:14
Speaker 2: say all, right well we're paying this guy this much
1:11:17
Speaker 2: and that's a lot of, money but we're going to
1:11:20
Speaker 2: get what we need out of. Him because he can't
1:11:22
Speaker 2: go to THE nfl next, year he's gonna have to
1:11:25
Speaker 2: stay here for a little. While we're gonna have a
1:11:27
Speaker 2: chance for our coaches to influence him and develop.
1:11:29
Speaker 3: Him and in.
1:11:32
Speaker 2: College basketball just so so, rapid it's so sped up
1:11:36
Speaker 2: right now That i'm. Curious it feels like the booster
1:11:40
Speaker 2: bass the alumni. Base and obviously you're one of those
1:11:43
Speaker 2: people fully bought in on what is happening WITH byu.
1:11:47
Speaker 2: Basketball but if you squander this opportunity of having the
1:11:52
Speaker 2: number one player in the. Country if you don't end
1:11:54
Speaker 2: up and there's plenty of basketball left to, play they
1:11:56
Speaker 2: could go on a great tournament run in both The
1:11:58
Speaker 2: Big twelve THE ncaa. Tournaments this is a hyper is
1:12:02
Speaker 2: a total hypothetical. Here if you don't live up to the,
1:12:05
Speaker 2: expectation will it change the level of, investment donation support
1:12:11
Speaker 2: in the short?
1:12:11
Speaker 7: Term, well so a couple of THINGS i think that you, Know,
1:12:18
Speaker 7: actually let me give another shout out To kyle Power
1:12:20
Speaker 7: worth so he can stop texting me AND i can't
1:12:23
Speaker 7: pay attention.
1:12:23
Speaker 4: To What i'm. DOING i got a contract WITH.
1:12:25
Speaker 7: Espn shawn is about to fire.
1:12:27
Speaker 3: Me leave me, Alone come, On.
1:12:29
Speaker 7: Kyle but but WHAT i would say, is you, Know
1:12:34
Speaker 7: i'll Use kyle as an. Example kyle AND i we
1:12:37
Speaker 7: talk a lot about this, team and we talk about
1:12:39
Speaker 7: a basketball in.
1:12:40
Speaker 4: General you, know to.
1:12:41
Speaker 7: Your comment, about, hey you guys have bought in into,
1:12:44
Speaker 7: THIS i think we didn't have a.
1:12:45
Speaker 4: Choice that's just the way of the wound is right.
1:12:48
Speaker 7: NOW i, MEAN i could give you Example sean of
1:12:51
Speaker 7: nil happening in sixth grade here at The utah scene
1:12:56
Speaker 7: at the basketball, level where six graders are actually you,
1:13:00
Speaker 7: know receiving money to be able to go, play you,
1:13:04
Speaker 7: know for different for different teams and, such and SO
1:13:07
Speaker 7: i think that's the reality that we live in right, now,
1:13:10
Speaker 7: right right or, wrong good or, bad that's just the
1:13:13
Speaker 7: reality that we live. In and so because of that
1:13:17
Speaker 7: you have to. Adapt AND i THINK byu has done
1:13:19
Speaker 7: a tremendous.
1:13:20
Speaker 4: JOB i don't think Maybe.
1:13:22
Speaker 7: Indiana has done a better job THAN, byu right because
1:13:25
Speaker 7: they won the national championship for football this. Year but
1:13:29
Speaker 7: by you are doing a tremendous dab adjusting because you
1:13:32
Speaker 7: just didn't have a.
1:13:32
Speaker 4: Choice you adapt or you.
1:13:34
Speaker 7: Die and so now to your, POINT byu did have
1:13:38
Speaker 7: a very successful transfer portal of keeping their pieces. Together
1:13:43
Speaker 7: but the main piece that the main two pieces they
1:13:45
Speaker 7: have together has Been Richie saunders And, kebba and those
1:13:49
Speaker 7: guys are. Delivering but then to your, point you, know
1:13:52
Speaker 7: it's not a one man, show, Right basketball is one
1:13:56
Speaker 7: of those sports that you need, about you, know in
1:13:58
Speaker 7: today's dayna about three or four dudes that are able to,
1:14:02
Speaker 7: contribute and night in and night, OUT byu doesn't get, that,
1:14:07
Speaker 7: right and so out of the big, three two out
1:14:10
Speaker 7: of the three of them always. Deliver and so they
1:14:13
Speaker 7: need every three of them to always be on and that's,
1:14:16
Speaker 7: difficult right and, so and then you need the supporting,
1:14:20
Speaker 7: cast which just isn't there and, so BUT i fully
1:14:24
Speaker 7: agree with, you And i'm very curious to see how
1:14:27
Speaker 7: THE byu, community how the, boosters how the, collectives how
1:14:34
Speaker 7: all of that is going to react if THIS dyu
1:14:39
Speaker 7: team does not go beyond The sweet. Sixteen, well But
1:14:43
Speaker 7: DANY jg that's kind of crazy.
1:14:45
Speaker 4: TALK byu has only made to.
1:14:47
Speaker 7: The sweet sixteen three times in their, history one With Danny, ainge.
1:14:51
Speaker 4: One With Jimmifer dad and another one last.
1:14:53
Speaker 7: Year you're absolutely, Right but perception is, reality and the
1:14:58
Speaker 7: reality that we live in right now is the fact
1:15:01
Speaker 7: THAT byu has the number one player in the, country
1:15:04
Speaker 7: arguably the best head coach not in THE, nba a
1:15:07
Speaker 7: very deep nil investment. Team and if they don't not,
1:15:13
Speaker 7: over if they don't go beyond where they went last,
1:15:17
Speaker 7: YEAR i got to tell, you this season is going
1:15:20
Speaker 7: to be a. Hump where do we go from? Here
1:15:23
Speaker 7: how do we manage? That AND i think that's a
1:15:26
Speaker 7: very fair thing to. Do i'm very close TO, BYU
1:15:29
Speaker 7: i work FOR byu as an. ANALYST i get.
1:15:33
Speaker 4: It But, again What i'm sharing is.
1:15:35
Speaker 7: Not just my personal feelings but that of pretty much
1:15:39
Speaker 7: all of, cougarnation which, is you're going to ask some questions, about,
1:15:45
Speaker 7: well so what do we need to do to get
1:15:47
Speaker 7: to that?
1:15:48
Speaker 4: Level do we need invest more? Money you?
1:15:50
Speaker 7: Know do we need a number one and number two
1:15:52
Speaker 7: player in the. Country and, again there are ways that
1:15:56
Speaker 7: you can justify the situation with the injuries THAT i
1:15:59
Speaker 7: mentioned to. You you but, again perception is, reality and
1:16:03
Speaker 7: you KNOW i personally being sewn the month Of. February
1:16:06
Speaker 7: we'll make it or break THE byu.
1:16:08
Speaker 2: Season, well you're absolutely. Right you said it. Earlier pressure
1:16:11
Speaker 2: is a, privilege and it feels like THIS byu basketball
1:16:15
Speaker 2: program and where the season is at right, now which
1:16:18
Speaker 2: by the, way is a great.
1:16:19
Speaker 3: Season they're having an awesome.
1:16:20
Speaker 2: Year but in order to make it worth, IT i
1:16:23
Speaker 2: guess with the thirteen, fifteen whatever the dollar amount, is
1:16:28
Speaker 2: million dollar, roster you got to show that you can Beat,
1:16:31
Speaker 2: Houston you got to show that you can Beat, arizona
1:16:33
Speaker 2: and you came, close but you got to actually get it.
1:16:35
Speaker 2: Done you got to get one of, these maybe two
1:16:37
Speaker 2: of these quad one wins that are available to you
1:16:40
Speaker 2: in this big twelve. Slave AND i, mean AND i
1:16:43
Speaker 2: say this all of this knowing full well That utah
1:16:48
Speaker 2: is so far away from this conversation right now that
1:16:50
Speaker 2: it probably sounds silly if THERE'S byu fans out there, listening,
1:16:54
Speaker 2: like what are you talking?
1:16:54
Speaker 3: About why are you being critical OF?
1:16:56
Speaker 2: Byu, well because the programs are in very different, places
1:16:59
Speaker 2: AND i hope we get to a point WHERE i
1:17:01
Speaker 2: can complain About utah losing to the number One Arizona
1:17:04
Speaker 2: wildcats and their number one player not showing up well,
1:17:08
Speaker 2: enough because we're far away from that right. Now BUT
1:17:10
Speaker 2: byu is? Here are they going to be able to?
1:17:14
Speaker 2: Stay that's my.
1:17:15
Speaker 7: Question, well and THEN i think to your, point, right
1:17:20
Speaker 7: if the portal has if If indiana has showed us,
1:17:24
Speaker 7: anything is? That if if the stars a, line and
1:17:29
Speaker 7: you also have very competent people in, place and you
1:17:34
Speaker 7: also you also get a few breaks here and, there
1:17:37
Speaker 7: anything is. Possible indiana totally shows THAT i don't want
1:17:41
Speaker 7: to hear. About, well that's easy to, Say, no it's
1:17:44
Speaker 7: not because if you actually look at, it as you, know,
1:17:48
Speaker 7: uh Seeing, eddie he had been there for a, while
1:17:51
Speaker 7: so he's a competent. Guy Kevin young had been there
1:17:54
Speaker 7: for a year or. So now he's a competent.
1:17:55
Speaker 4: Guy you you happen to have an.
1:17:58
Speaker 7: Otherworldly you, know are In Fernando, mendoza which you could
1:18:02
Speaker 7: be the same about A.
1:18:04
Speaker 4: Jd.
1:18:04
Speaker 7: Bonsa and then you have a complimentary supporting cast that's
1:18:08
Speaker 7: there to deliver which B yu has. It we have
1:18:11
Speaker 7: a couple of players Like Robert right the third And
1:18:13
Speaker 7: Keva ketta And Richie. Saunders you, know they just, unfortunately you,
1:18:17
Speaker 7: know injury has plagued them so and then you have
1:18:21
Speaker 7: the nil investment to be able to fit the pieces
1:18:24
Speaker 7: around because let's be, Realistic, sean long gone are the
1:18:28
Speaker 7: days where you're going to get you, know The Alex
1:18:32
Speaker 7: jensen and The Michael doliacs And DeAndre millers and The
1:18:36
Speaker 7: keith Van horns and The Chris burgesses and The Jonathan
1:18:41
Speaker 7: tabernaris or The Kyle, collinsworths that they stay with the
1:18:44
Speaker 7: program long term and they become fixtures and you, know
1:18:49
Speaker 7: known players from the program because of their long career
1:18:54
Speaker 7: that you can kiss that goodbye out of the. Window
1:18:57
Speaker 7: that ship has sailed and so now it becomes a
1:19:00
Speaker 7: turnover of year over year for you truly be able
1:19:04
Speaker 7: to understand what do we need to make this roster
1:19:07
Speaker 7: competitive this year and adjust things today for now and, again,
1:19:12
Speaker 7: right it's not an exact, science you, know and unfortunately
1:19:16
Speaker 7: it's not one of those things that you can just
1:19:18
Speaker 7: throw money at, it which is WHY i, say you
1:19:21
Speaker 7: can certainly have, success but you need the.
1:19:23
Speaker 4: Stars you have.
1:19:24
Speaker 7: To have a lot of things. Happen and you, know
1:19:27
Speaker 7: BY u has a good start to, it having a
1:19:29
Speaker 7: competent coaching, staff and now you need a little bit
1:19:32
Speaker 7: of luck for the stars to align and make sure
1:19:34
Speaker 7: that when you, invest you make the write.
1:19:36
Speaker 2: Investments all, right BEFORE i let you, go who's winning
1:19:42
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1:19:45
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1:19:47
Speaker 4: Man The indianapolis? Coach, No i'm just.
1:19:50
Speaker 2: JOKING i, yes, Yeah i'm Gonna New. England The seahawks
1:19:56
Speaker 2: are the heavy favorite for a lot of people right.
1:19:58
Speaker 2: Now THE i think most of us just don't feel
1:20:01
Speaker 2: a need to see The patriots win a championship ever.
1:20:04
Speaker 3: Again but who's gonna take this one?
1:20:06
Speaker 4: Down, WELL i.
1:20:09
Speaker 7: Mean The patriots are getting a lot of flack from
1:20:11
Speaker 7: the media, though because not Having Bill belichick be a
1:20:13
Speaker 7: first Ballot hall Of.
1:20:14
Speaker 4: Famer that is.
1:20:15
Speaker 7: CRAZY i, mean that is you, know that Is utah
1:20:19
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1:20:23
Speaker 7: holy war On. Twitter, sean my, goodness BUT i will
1:20:26
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1:20:29
Speaker 7: my good Friend Jared. Jordan and you, know we all
1:20:33
Speaker 7: live in a, simulation and every time that something has,
1:20:37
Speaker 7: happened The seahawks, won and so you, know if it ain't,
1:20:40
Speaker 7: broke don't fix.
1:20:41
Speaker 4: It let's keep up with the.
1:20:42
Speaker 7: Simulation So i'm gonna Go seahawks thirty one.
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1:20:51
Speaker 2: appreciate your insight and your. Time thank, you my.
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Speaker 7: Friend as, Always, sean it is my pleasure AND i
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Speaker 2: Dump Robert kraft ha also not getting into THE Nfl
1:23:20
Speaker 2: hall Of fame as a first Ballot hall Of famer
1:23:23
Speaker 2: despite owning a team for Six Super Bowl. CHAMPIONSHIP i
1:23:27
Speaker 2: don't look this is gonna sound Like i'm anti rich,
1:23:32
Speaker 2: person am anti. Owner right, NOW i assure you that
1:23:35
Speaker 2: is not the. Case i'm an aspiring rich. PERSON i
1:23:37
Speaker 2: would love to be a. BILLIONAIRE i would love to
1:23:40
Speaker 2: own a sports. Franchise, okay, someday if of major miracle,
1:23:47
Speaker 2: HAPPENS i will own The San francisco forty nine. ERS
1:23:51
Speaker 2: i don't think there's really a whole lot you can
1:23:53
Speaker 2: do as an owner to deserve to be in The
1:23:56
Speaker 2: hall Of.
1:23:56
Speaker 3: Fame is that a hot?
1:23:58
Speaker 2: Take if you're an owner that spearhead some kind of
1:24:04
Speaker 2: effort that changes the landscape of professional. Sport if you
1:24:09
Speaker 2: were an owner in THE nfl back when in the
1:24:13
Speaker 2: day when it was growing and, emerging and maybe you
1:24:17
Speaker 2: were one of the people that pushed it onto television
1:24:19
Speaker 2: and made it the product that it is right. Now
1:24:21
Speaker 2: if you were a commissioner or excuse, me an owner
1:24:24
Speaker 2: working with the commissioner during like an NBA aba merger
1:24:28
Speaker 2: or something like, that then then maybe you belong in
1:24:31
Speaker 2: The hall Of. Fame if you were the owner that
1:24:35
Speaker 2: signed on the dotted line for the first time letting
1:24:37
Speaker 2: someone be a free. AGENT i don't. Know but Has Robert,
1:24:41
Speaker 2: craft and if this is an ignorant, take please eight
1:24:44
Speaker 2: seven seven three five three zero seven. Hundred aside from
1:24:48
Speaker 2: just being wealthy enough to own the franchise and not
1:24:53
Speaker 2: bleeping it up from, there what Has Robert craft truly?
1:24:57
Speaker 2: DONE i know his charitable contrab they do a lot
1:25:01
Speaker 2: of Stuff he uses That patriots playing to fly troops
1:25:05
Speaker 2: around and things like that deliver, supplies uh for for
1:25:09
Speaker 2: folks you. Need that is all, wonderful that's. GREAT i
1:25:12
Speaker 2: don't know if it puts you into A Pro Football
1:25:14
Speaker 2: hall Of. Fame again if if you're AM i missing
1:25:18
Speaker 2: some accomplishment where he was a pioneer in some effort
1:25:23
Speaker 2: and deserves to be in The Pro Football. Hall and
1:25:26
Speaker 2: it's not isolated To Robert. Kraft by the, Way i'm
1:25:29
Speaker 2: talking about as an. Owner your hall of fame is
1:25:33
Speaker 2: the fact that you're a billionaire and you're lucky enough
1:25:35
Speaker 2: to be a billionaire and you. Won you're in the
1:25:38
Speaker 2: Financial hall Of. Fame you've overseen Six super bowl but
1:25:42
Speaker 2: that's all you've done is overseas. Well that's, well that's
1:25:44
Speaker 2: What i'm, Saying, like that's your that's a hall of, fame,
1:25:46
Speaker 2: Dude like you don't need to be In. CANTON i
1:25:49
Speaker 2: don't get. It you're, Fine but let me just say,
1:25:52
Speaker 2: This Pat, Bowling, bronco Longtime broncos, owner he's A hall Of. Famer, Okay,
1:25:58
Speaker 2: eddie You're Eddie bartologi If i'm not, mistaken the old
1:26:02
Speaker 2: or Not eddie right, anyway The bartolo, family the original.
1:26:07
Speaker 6: Owners of The.
1:26:07
Speaker 2: Niners, yes he's. In i'm not sure Like Jerry jones is.
1:26:12
Speaker 2: IN i Think Jerry jones is one of those guys
1:26:15
Speaker 2: that you're talking about that did, that has grown the,
1:26:18
Speaker 2: sport has made The cowboys a worldwide as much as
1:26:22
Speaker 2: AN nfl team can be a worldwide, brand a worldwide. Brand,
1:26:25
Speaker 2: right that's Probably hall Of fame. Worthy as much as
1:26:28
Speaker 2: we don't Like Jerry jones if you're not A cowboys, fan,
1:26:31
Speaker 2: Right and a lot Of cowboys fans don't Like Jerry,
1:26:33
Speaker 2: Jones he's made. It he's made the game bigger by
1:26:38
Speaker 2: making The cowboys the biggest, brand. RIGHT i think that's,
1:26:43
Speaker 2: Fair But i'm not Sure Pat bowling does that did.
1:26:47
Speaker 2: That i'll due, RESPECT i, Know i'll do respect to
1:26:50
Speaker 2: all The broncos fans in this market that probably don't
1:26:52
Speaker 2: like hearing. That i'll Do bartolo probably didn't do that.
1:26:58
Speaker 2: Either he's probably more like those guys are more Like
1:27:00
Speaker 2: Robert kraft Than Jerry. JONES i will to be fair
1:27:04
Speaker 2: to the De bartolo fair De, bartle excuse? Me they
1:27:08
Speaker 2: The San francisco FORTY a lot Of San francisco forty
1:27:10
Speaker 2: nine ers players talked about the fact that ownership was
1:27:14
Speaker 2: hyper involved with them and Like Jerry rice has, Said
1:27:18
Speaker 2: Jerry rice has quoted That eddie De bartolo is the
1:27:21
Speaker 2: reason we won so Many Super bowls right? Now is
1:27:25
Speaker 2: that a genuine statement or is that somebody realizing ring
1:27:28
Speaker 2: to his, owner realizing that the guy who signs the
1:27:32
Speaker 2: check and shows up at your locker every week is
1:27:34
Speaker 2: someone you should probably say nice things.
1:27:36
Speaker 3: ABOUT i don't, know BUT.
1:27:39
Speaker 2: I Think Jerry jones is the only one in recent
1:27:43
Speaker 2: memory that's doing what you.
1:27:45
Speaker 3: Said.
1:27:46
Speaker 2: Well Al davis Was Al davis and like the And
1:27:51
Speaker 2: jerry was was inducted in twenty. Seventeen i'm not sure
1:27:55
Speaker 2: there's another owner outside Of Al davis and and The
1:28:00
Speaker 2: rooney family with The steelers that you can. SAY i
1:28:04
Speaker 2: don't know that you can, say, yeah that guy is
1:28:07
Speaker 2: not just a billionaire oversaw. Championships they actually grew the.
1:28:11
Speaker 2: Game and, look it's it's probably an ignorant business, take.
1:28:18
Speaker 2: Right it's probably me just being like not acknowledging the
1:28:23
Speaker 2: intricacies of how difficult it.
1:28:26
Speaker 3: IS i JUST.
1:28:28
Speaker 2: I do find it, funny by the, way that now
1:28:31
Speaker 2: we're talking about a double snub for The, patriots so
1:28:34
Speaker 2: as that franchise goes back to A Super bowl, everyone
1:28:38
Speaker 2: or not, everyone but enough people in THE nfl world have,
1:28:44
Speaker 2: decided you know, what we actually don't love your, Legacy
1:28:48
Speaker 2: bill And Robert, kraft and the petty sports fan in
1:28:52
Speaker 2: me enjoys that very. Much, well the other thing to
1:28:55
Speaker 2: keep in, mind we've, talked we've talked at nauseaum about
1:29:00
Speaker 2: the about a spygate scandal that is Keeping Bill belichick
1:29:05
Speaker 2: from being a first Bout hall Of. Famer how about
1:29:11
Speaker 2: the how about the borderline criminal activity That Robert kraft
1:29:19
Speaker 2: was recently involved. In Like i'm not going to get into,
1:29:22
Speaker 2: it it's a little sensitive and we're a family, show
1:29:25
Speaker 2: but like maybe that got brought up in the. Conversations
1:29:30
Speaker 2: do we want that guy representing our sport in The
1:29:33
Speaker 2: hall Of fame no matter what his team? Did and,
1:29:36
Speaker 2: again here's the, thing right if if you're a player
1:29:39
Speaker 2: like who had some habits or issues that people find
1:29:46
Speaker 2: to be morally, reprehensible most of the, time even the,
1:29:51
Speaker 2: fans even the most like morally centered fans acknowledged, like,
1:29:55
Speaker 2: WELL i get, IT i wouldn't want my dad acting that.
1:29:59
Speaker 2: Way but that's a guy with you, know fifty sacks
1:30:04
Speaker 2: in Four Super bowl. Seasons like that guy's A hall
1:30:07
Speaker 2: Of Famer Lawrence. Taylor that to a thinking of if
1:30:11
Speaker 2: You're Robert kraft, though and it's just like and your
1:30:14
Speaker 2: fellow owners are just, like, dude we get. It you
1:30:16
Speaker 2: like you you lucked Into Tom, brady but also you're
1:30:21
Speaker 2: kind of embarrassing us with this other stuff you. Were
1:30:25
Speaker 2: you're pretty, creepy. DUDE i Don't, okay we'll just put
1:30:28
Speaker 2: it that. Way if If spikegate got brought up For,
1:30:31
Speaker 2: Bill i'm sure the massage, stuff massage pylor stuff got
1:30:37
Speaker 2: brought up For Robert. Kraft just just putting that out.
1:30:40
Speaker 2: THERE i will say. This eddie De bartelow was pardoned
1:30:48
Speaker 2: recently By President trump because he was involved in a
1:30:54
Speaker 2: scandal where he bribed his way into having a riverboat gambler's.
1:30:57
Speaker 2: License this was after he was in The hall Of fame, though, Right,
1:31:01
Speaker 2: yeah because he's been in The hall Of fame a. While,
1:31:03
Speaker 2: yeah so he's. Fortunate maybe if he was up for
1:31:06
Speaker 2: The hall Of fame now Like Robert, kraft maybe that's
1:31:09
Speaker 2: something that would that would keep him out Of and
1:31:12
Speaker 2: by the, way raise your hand if you knew that
1:31:14
Speaker 2: about the former owner of The San francisco forty nine Ers, no,
1:31:18
Speaker 2: no because this was a pre internet.
1:31:20
Speaker 3: Crime, yeah this was.
1:31:22
Speaker 2: Him he pled guilty to bribing the governor Of louisiana
1:31:28
Speaker 2: four hundred thousand dollars so he could be gifted a
1:31:31
Speaker 2: riverboat gambling. License that's, amazing which is, effectively by the,
1:31:35
Speaker 2: way just a license to print. Money if you're like
1:31:38
Speaker 2: a gambling, Like, yeah you now get to own a riverboat.
1:31:41
Speaker 2: Casino we've all Watched ozark at this, point haven't. We
1:31:46
Speaker 2: or a shout out to an old Classic Mel gibson, Classic. Maverick,
1:31:52
Speaker 2: oh there you, go literally about a riverboat speaking of
1:31:57
Speaker 2: scandals and people in broiled and Scandal Terry Rose remember
1:32:00
Speaker 2: we talked About Terry roseander gambling and gambling and the
1:32:03
Speaker 2: issues that look at that. Segue uh That Terry rozier
1:32:06
Speaker 2: had The. Uh he's currently on suspension from THE, nba
1:32:11
Speaker 2: and he and his attorney successfully won the case that
1:32:15
Speaker 2: he should still be paid while he is suspended for
1:32:20
Speaker 2: like allegedly fixing games and gambling in THE. Nba he's
1:32:23
Speaker 2: still now because of this legal, decision gets paid by
1:32:26
Speaker 2: THE nba because under The Collective Bargaining, agreement you can
1:32:30
Speaker 2: only be suspended without pay for domestic, violence child abuse.
1:32:36
Speaker 2: Allegations those are the only things. Covered, wow which means game,
1:32:41
Speaker 2: fixing gambling, whatever hey suspended with Pay, baby that's gonna
1:32:46
Speaker 2: be in the Next that'll be in the NEXT. CBA
1:32:48
Speaker 2: i think that's fair to say the league is gonna be,
1:32:50
Speaker 2: like we need to add that. This If i'm not,
1:32:53
Speaker 2: mistaken the CURRENT cba that that we're working, under was
1:32:57
Speaker 2: before they were allowing gambling companies to be. Involved they
1:33:02
Speaker 2: might have been, ratified so that would if anyone's wondering
1:33:06
Speaker 2: why did they miss, that that's probably.
1:33:08
Speaker 4: Why.
1:33:09
Speaker 2: Uh speaking OF, nba another, Trade, yeah what's related to The,
1:33:14
Speaker 2: jazz but not involving The. Jazz, Uh Mike conley headed
1:33:20
Speaker 2: to The bulls all right in a let me let
1:33:23
Speaker 2: me pull up the let me pull up the. Details
1:33:25
Speaker 2: It's Mike conley and another T wolves, Player jade And
1:33:30
Speaker 2: ivy or A pistons, player excuse, me headed to The.
1:33:32
Speaker 2: Bulls three team trade with The bulls And. Pistons so that's,
1:33:36
Speaker 2: Uh bulls leveling up a little bit that. Way they
1:33:40
Speaker 2: they had a. Lockbuster The bulls had a hot start
1:33:44
Speaker 2: to the season AND i still laugh about it because
1:33:47
Speaker 2: they started like five six and, zero and people are
1:33:49
Speaker 2: like bulls going to the. Finals i'm, like, no they're
1:33:52
Speaker 2: probably gonna regress to the. Mean and look at if
1:33:55
Speaker 2: you pull up the, standings they're like tenth in The.
1:33:58
Speaker 2: East so they've been just okay since. Then this helps
1:34:04
Speaker 2: them level up some probably makes them feel better about
1:34:07
Speaker 2: their playoff, chances But i'm Not this doesn't all of
1:34:11
Speaker 2: a sudden make them finals contenders like we thought In.
1:34:14
Speaker 2: October some people thought In. October all. RIGHT i put
1:34:18
Speaker 2: a question out yesterday about What olympic event people are
1:34:21
Speaker 2: most excited to. WATCH i, said you got to take hockey,
1:34:24
Speaker 2: out because we're all hardcore hockey heads now here in
1:34:27
Speaker 2: the state Of utah and especially In.
1:34:28
Speaker 3: Salt Lake city where The Utah mammoth.
1:34:30
Speaker 2: Play AND i, said all, right What olympic event are
1:34:34
Speaker 2: you most excited? About?
1:34:35
Speaker 3: Now?
1:34:35
Speaker 2: Curling there was a lot of curling. Answers james is
1:34:38
Speaker 2: our resident curling consultant and. Expert by the, way as
1:34:41
Speaker 2: The olympics start this, week if anyone has any questions
1:34:44
Speaker 2: about the, game about brooms in, particular, right all, right,
1:34:49
Speaker 2: good go ahead and hit me.
1:34:50
Speaker 3: Up all, Right so curling was a hot.
1:34:54
Speaker 2: Answer downhill skiing a lot of people are into the
1:34:57
Speaker 2: downhill skiing and it is a lot of fun to
1:35:01
Speaker 2: watch and it's amazing edge of your seat type. Stuff
1:35:03
Speaker 2: and we talked about the unfortunate injury sustained By Lindsay,
1:35:08
Speaker 2: vaughn The american skiing legend who a week before The,
1:35:13
Speaker 2: olympics county resident as Well, utah crashed and hurt herself In,
1:35:19
Speaker 2: switzerland and uh.
1:35:24
Speaker 3: In whatever that Was.
1:35:27
Speaker 2: Switzerland here's the other unfortunate, thing, right RUPTURED. Acl you
1:35:34
Speaker 2: Think Lindsay vonn's gonna let that keep her off the
1:35:36
Speaker 2: slopes in her final? Games RUPTURED. Acl she's forty one
1:35:42
Speaker 2: years of age and destroyed her knee a week before the.
1:35:45
Speaker 2: Games and guess what she, Says i'm still doing it
1:35:50
Speaker 2: four days. Ago by the, way see that goes that
1:35:52
Speaker 2: crash happened four days. Ago she goes Full Leonardo, DiCaprio
1:35:57
Speaker 2: wolf Rall. Street i'm not in. Late she is going
1:36:01
Speaker 2: to compete in These Olympic. Games amazing at forty, one
1:36:06
Speaker 2: she's one leg confident she'll. Compete she's not she's not
1:36:10
Speaker 2: ready to. Guarantee you don't let the truth get in
1:36:12
Speaker 2: away of a good, Story. James but she's not ready
1:36:15
Speaker 2: to guarantee, it BUT i mean it's, crazy, Right like
1:36:20
Speaker 2: that was that happened four days, ago not even a week?
1:36:23
Speaker 2: Ago and she skied. Today this Has, disney or at
1:36:30
Speaker 2: Least Hallmark special.
1:36:31
Speaker 3: Written all over.
1:36:32
Speaker 2: It Mark special all. Right The indiana football And lindsey
1:36:38
Speaker 2: vonn Improbable olympic. Competition, disney get the movies, going you know?
1:36:44
Speaker 2: What somehow make them into one. Movie call it five
1:36:50
Speaker 2: somebody Right May. December relationship Between Fernando mendoza And Lindsey vonn,
1:36:56
Speaker 2: right is.
1:36:57
Speaker 3: The first time he's ever talked to a.
1:36:59
Speaker 2: Girl H, james we just came up with the blockbuster
1:37:04
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1:37:17
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1:37:48
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1:38:18
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1:38:24
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1:38:27
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1:38:31
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1:38:36
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1:38:57
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1:39:00
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1:39:02
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1:39:06
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1:39:12
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1:39:19
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1:39:24
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1:40:08
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1:40:16
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1:40:17
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1:40:20
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1:40:24
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1:40:28
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1:40:31
Speaker 2: Deserves hall Of fame. Honors, SURE i, mean that's that's
1:40:35
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1:40:38
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1:40:42
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1:40:49
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1:40:52
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1:40:56
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1:41:02
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1:41:09
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1:41:12
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1:41:14
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1:41:19
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1:41:22
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1:41:24
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1:41:30
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1:41:34
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1:41:36
Speaker 2: Fame i'm gonna be in The hall Of. Fame it's
1:41:41
Speaker 2: literally the number one sports product in The United states Of.
1:41:44
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1:41:49
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1:41:52
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1:41:54
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1:41:57
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1:42:01
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1:42:04
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1:42:08
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1:42:14
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1:42:17
Speaker 2: THE tv. Deals, look we're sounding like bona fide, haters
1:42:20
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1:42:24
Speaker 2: YEAH i appreciate the feedback on the text. Line not,
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1:42:31
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1:42:39
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1:42:45
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1:42:55
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1:42:56
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1:43:01
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty? Three should we should we quickly rehash
1:43:07
Speaker 2: our thoughts ON jjj to The. Jazz, well we'll take
1:43:10
Speaker 2: a quick one here and we'll come. Back Blockbuster trade
1:43:16
Speaker 2: and The Utah jazz are. Involved, no it doesn't Mean
1:43:18
Speaker 2: giannis is coming To Salt Lake. City but you get
1:43:20
Speaker 2: An All star And ALL nba performer on the defensive
1:43:24
Speaker 2: side of the, ball which is where you need the most.
1:43:26
Speaker 2: Help AND i think most importantly you have announced from
1:43:30
Speaker 2: the front office. Rebuild we're not calling it that. Anymore
1:43:36
Speaker 2: won't see that this Year sean O'Connell, SHOW espn seven.
1:43:41
Speaker 1: M your teams Of The sean O'Connell show for The
1:43:48
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1:43:53
Speaker 2: M Utah jazz games are gonna ge a lot more
1:44:00
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1:44:04
Speaker 2: best place for you to go watch those games at
1:44:06
Speaker 2: any sporting event Is Big willies seventeen to Seventeen South
1:44:10
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1:44:13
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1:44:17
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1:44:27
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1:44:29
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1:44:30
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1:44:33
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1:44:36
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1:44:41
Speaker 2: nice little diet plate which is like you can get
1:44:44
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1:44:47
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1:44:51
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1:44:54
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1:44:59
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1:45:02
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Speaker 2: best pool.
1:45:06
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1:45:09
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Speaker 2: Your Super, bowl this Coming, sunday.
1:45:14
Speaker 3: Whatever Jeff schwartz is going to join us in about five.
1:45:17
Speaker 2: Minutes but if you're just tuning, in you're just hopping
1:45:20
Speaker 2: in your car to maybe grab some.
1:45:21
Speaker 3: Lunch go To Big willies and grab the lunch.
1:45:24
Speaker 2: Special but let me tell, you The Utah jazz decided
1:45:28
Speaker 2: to get active before THIS nba trade, deadline And Jaron Jackson,
1:45:33
Speaker 2: junior one Time Defensive player of The year in THE,
1:45:38
Speaker 2: nba multiple Time ALL nba defensive, Performer he's now going
1:45:43
Speaker 2: to be wearing A jazz. Uniform The jazz are Sending
1:45:47
Speaker 2: Walter Clayton, Junior Kyle, Anderson Taylor, Hendrix George.
1:45:50
Speaker 3: Nyang and here's where the kicker.
1:45:52
Speaker 2: Is three first round draft picks in exchange for The
1:45:55
Speaker 2: all Star Jaron Jackson junior And Jack Londale On conshar
1:46:01
Speaker 2: And Vince Williams junior in the.
1:46:03
Speaker 3: Deal so.
1:46:06
Speaker 2: This effectively is a trade For Jared Jackson junior in
1:46:10
Speaker 2: exchange for three first round. Picks the rest of it
1:46:13
Speaker 2: with maybe the exception Of Walter Clayton. JUNIOR i think
1:46:16
Speaker 2: kind of evens itself. Out who Knows Taylor hendricks? Involved,
1:46:22
Speaker 2: yeah to get that, right who knows Maybe Taylor. Hendrick
1:46:25
Speaker 2: Maybe memphis can unlock the potential that The jazz saw
1:46:28
Speaker 2: and many other teams saw In Taylor hendrix that made
1:46:30
Speaker 2: him a top ten pick a couple of years. Ago
1:46:34
Speaker 2: he could end up being playing a part in memphis rebuild.
1:46:39
Speaker 2: Here but, yeah right, now it's what you, said it's
1:46:43
Speaker 2: three picks FOR. Jjj Jock landale's a serviceable bench player
1:46:48
Speaker 2: as like a second or third string, Big but you
1:46:51
Speaker 2: don't know how long The jazz are gonna keep a
1:46:53
Speaker 2: guy like. That here's the other, question restricted free agency
1:46:58
Speaker 2: For Walker? Kessler right right, now are you willing to
1:47:03
Speaker 2: go into the first apron for that front court Of
1:47:07
Speaker 2: Jared Jackson, Junior Lowry, markinen And Walker? Kessler if it
1:47:12
Speaker 2: comes to, that that's that's a formidable defensive front if
1:47:17
Speaker 2: you could pull it. Off it's also three bigs, though
1:47:20
Speaker 2: AND i Know lowry offensively can play the three and
1:47:23
Speaker 2: he and he's played really well as a three. Man
1:47:28
Speaker 2: he's not necessarily been great defensively at that. Position Obviously,
1:47:35
Speaker 2: walker a Healthy, walker And Jaron Jackson. Jr no one's
1:47:39
Speaker 2: going to get to the rim and be able to
1:47:40
Speaker 2: get a shot off, presumably, right those are two great Shot,
1:47:43
Speaker 2: walkers a former Defensive player of The Year All star
1:47:48
Speaker 2: who you just traded, for And Walker, kessler who could
1:47:50
Speaker 2: be a future defensive player of The. Year he's that
1:47:52
Speaker 2: kind of rim protector and defense and. Defender that's my question,
1:47:58
Speaker 2: though how does this improve your preer, defense which is
1:48:01
Speaker 2: the biggest problem for The, jazz especially with the health
1:48:04
Speaker 2: a Healthy walker in the. FOLD i, ALSO i just
1:48:08
Speaker 2: don't think this is the right move to make or
1:48:10
Speaker 2: the right time to make this. MOVE I i LIKE,
1:48:14
Speaker 2: jjj but you're but this makes you too good to
1:48:17
Speaker 2: keep your first round, pick which, means, okay so he's
1:48:19
Speaker 2: gonna probably get a top ten. Pick probably you're Going
1:48:24
Speaker 2: AND i just think if you're gonna right now throw
1:48:26
Speaker 2: away your, pick you. Should it should have been for
1:48:30
Speaker 2: a star that immediately puts you in the title. Contention,
1:48:32
Speaker 2: no this is this is not a play for the
1:48:34
Speaker 2: second half of this. Season Jared, Jackson, jude they're still That.
1:48:37
Speaker 2: Gonda He's you're gonna now you're gonna actively TANK i
1:48:42
Speaker 2: just are you able to do this?
1:48:43
Speaker 3: Now and they wanted.
1:48:45
Speaker 2: To Will hardy especially has grown so visibly frustrated with
1:48:50
Speaker 2: the defensive prowess and effort of his, team and he's
1:48:53
Speaker 2: getting lots of criticism for it. Himself he's starting To
1:48:56
Speaker 2: and you just brought in one of the better defensive
1:49:00
Speaker 2: players and probably the best defensive player available in this trade.
1:49:03
Speaker 2: Market three years ago he was the defensive player of
1:49:07
Speaker 2: the year in THE, nba and he brought him. In
1:49:10
Speaker 2: and now he's gonna sit down a lot for the
1:49:12
Speaker 2: rest of this, season and that that that could.
1:49:14
Speaker 3: HAPPEN i JUST.
1:49:17
Speaker 2: I don't. Know we we, hear we heard we heard
1:49:19
Speaker 2: a high ranking executive, saying SO i DON'T i don't.
1:49:23
Speaker 2: Know See, like, LOOK i do know they are not
1:49:26
Speaker 2: going to sacrifice that. Pick that, is if that pick
1:49:29
Speaker 2: was going to anybody, else you might just be, like all,
1:49:32
Speaker 2: right that's it's going to An, eastern it's going to
1:49:35
Speaker 2: The Orlando. Magic we can live with. That the fact
1:49:38
Speaker 2: that you're you would have to give that pick up
1:49:40
Speaker 2: to The Oklahoma City thunder who are already better and
1:49:43
Speaker 2: younger than, you you can't do. It so they're they're
1:49:46
Speaker 2: going to tank but they're now doing this thing where they,
1:49:49
Speaker 2: say all, right we have decided we Have, Keyante we're
1:49:53
Speaker 2: going to do our best to Keep. Walker we've Got Lowry,
1:49:56
Speaker 2: markinen and we like what we see With Ace, bailey
1:49:59
Speaker 2: but we need defensive, presence and we need someone who's
1:50:02
Speaker 2: young enough but it's still a. Veteran we grab a
1:50:04
Speaker 2: twenty six year old guy who's a multiple Time All,
1:50:06
Speaker 2: star and then we add Aj, debonsa and that is
1:50:11
Speaker 2: the core we move forward with to try to compete next.
1:50:13
Speaker 2: Year this this is to me an announcement that The
1:50:16
Speaker 2: Utah jazz are, saying we're done asking for your. Patients
1:50:20
Speaker 2: we're done doing this stupid rebuild. Thing after this, year
1:50:23
Speaker 2: we're gonna put our foot to the gas pedal in
1:50:26
Speaker 2: the twenty Twenty, well you got the trade window for the,
1:50:30
Speaker 2: draft and then you got the draft, Itself so twenty twenty,
1:50:32
Speaker 2: six twenty twenty, seven we're.
1:50:34
Speaker 3: Trying to put this team in the.
1:50:35
Speaker 2: PLAYOFFS i just think you could have guaranteed by staying
1:50:39
Speaker 2: pat you could have virtually guaranteed that you're keeping that
1:50:43
Speaker 2: pick and not, you and without getting a massive fine
1:50:47
Speaker 2: from THE nba for deliberately tanking like two years in a,
1:50:51
Speaker 2: row by the way it would, be and you could
1:50:53
Speaker 2: have made a.
1:50:54
Speaker 3: Billionaire you don't care about a couple.
1:50:55
Speaker 2: Of times you, could, Right but you could have taken
1:50:58
Speaker 2: a swing like this in the offseason or next trade. Deadline,
1:51:00
Speaker 2: MAN i just don't think it's the right time to
1:51:02
Speaker 2: make this. Move AND i don't think THAT jjj is
1:51:05
Speaker 2: a good enough player to be, like let's go ahead
1:51:07
Speaker 2: and jeopardize our. Pick but to your, point they probably
1:51:10
Speaker 2: will just sit him down a lot, Anyway so who,
1:51:14
Speaker 2: Know and, look if he doesn't help fix your defensive,
1:51:18
Speaker 2: problems we're Gonna i'm gonna look back on this trade
1:51:20
Speaker 2: and be, like, well you gave up a lot for
1:51:22
Speaker 2: a guy that didn't have that massive of an. Impact
1:51:25
Speaker 2: but This jazz team is abysmal, defensively and this is
1:51:29
Speaker 2: a guy that has never been part of an effort like.
1:51:32
Speaker 2: That so we'll see how it plays. Out AND i
1:51:35
Speaker 2: got a text From. Spence, Sorry i'm just seeing this,
1:51:38
Speaker 2: Now spence check Its, yes we do want to talk
1:51:40
Speaker 2: to you about, it but we got to take a
1:51:42
Speaker 2: break And Jeff schwartz is going to join us next
1:51:43
Speaker 2: to preview The Super bowl talk about everything else going
1:51:46
Speaker 2: on in the football. World it's A sean O'Connell show
1:51:49
Speaker 2: On utah is number one sports TALK espn seven and
1:51:51
Speaker 2: ninety two ONE.
1:51:52
Speaker 1: Fm you were listening to The sean O'Connell show from
1:51:59
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1:52:03
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1:52:12
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1:52:14
Speaker 2: show and. Me Welcome Jeff, schwartz college football and pro football.
1:52:18
Speaker 3: Insider, jeff. Welcome how are.
1:52:21
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1:52:24
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1:52:27
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1:52:28
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1:52:31
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1:52:32
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1:52:32
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1:52:33
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1:52:36
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1:52:37
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1:52:56
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1:52:58
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1:53:05
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1:53:07
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1:53:11
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1:53:15
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1:53:17
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1:53:18
Speaker 3: Twice that's a that's. Bad that's bad by. Me that's
1:53:21
Speaker 3: that's my. Fault.
1:53:24
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1:53:29
Speaker 2: Bill belichick snub and now now The Robert craft.
1:53:33
Speaker 3: Snub what do you.
1:53:35
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1:53:43
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1:53:48
Speaker 8: the process is, bad, Right and.
1:53:52
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1:53:57
Speaker 6: right but some of them SAID i wanted to vote
1:53:59
Speaker 6: For Ken anderson instead Of Bill. Belichick and that means
1:54:05
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1:54:09
Speaker 6: oh you, know we'll just But bill will get in next.
1:54:11
Speaker 6: Year But ken And arston is not A hall Of
1:54:13
Speaker 6: famer Over Bill. Belichick neither Is Robert kraft by the,
1:54:16
Speaker 6: way the architects of the best dynasty in all of
1:54:20
Speaker 6: professional football and the history of. Football now you, know
1:54:22
Speaker 6: they had two separate, dynasties, honestly, right there was a
1:54:25
Speaker 6: three and four years and there in five, years ten years.
1:54:28
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1:54:32
Speaker 6: the First Ball hall Of? Famer what's the point of
1:54:33
Speaker 6: this process if those are not the first guys in
1:54:36
Speaker 6: when they had the opportunity to be. In AND i get, It,
1:54:38
Speaker 6: look they'll be in next, year all, right make them wait.
1:54:41
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1:54:44
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1:54:47
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1:54:49
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1:54:50
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1:54:53
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1:55:14
Speaker 2: What DID i thought that they were kind of like
1:55:17
Speaker 2: beloved in THE nfl, circles and apparently.
1:55:21
Speaker 6: NOT i thought so. Too but, again when you listen
1:55:25
Speaker 6: to to the people who have said who have come
1:55:27
Speaker 6: out public and said we didn't vote For Bill belichick Or,
1:55:32
Speaker 6: barbarbercruf it's WHAT i. Said it's, like, oh, well you,
1:55:34
Speaker 6: know there's like we can only vote for three, guys
1:55:36
Speaker 6: and we, thought you, know there's other two were more.
1:55:39
Speaker 6: Deserving SO i think everyone thinks They're hall of. Famers
1:55:42
Speaker 6: they just don't think that it was their time to
1:55:44
Speaker 6: get in on the first. Ballot AND i just disrear.
1:55:46
Speaker 2: THAT i just.
1:55:47
Speaker 6: AGREE i just agree with that with that, mindset and
1:55:50
Speaker 6: that's WHY i think the process. Is, look we talked
1:55:52
Speaker 6: a lot about this With Mike. Leach where he, was
1:55:55
Speaker 6: he was what one win away from making The College
1:55:57
Speaker 6: Football hall Of, fame, right the threshold was was sixty
1:56:00
Speaker 6: percent when produce fifty? Nine, yeah something like, that and
1:56:04
Speaker 6: obviously he passed away before he get, there and they
1:56:06
Speaker 6: changed the. Rules you're. In of, course of Course mike leaches,
1:56:09
Speaker 6: In belichick And craft the stoke get. In BUT i
1:56:12
Speaker 6: think my point is that a process where they'll get
1:56:15
Speaker 6: it right, away to, me is just bad. PROCESS i
1:56:18
Speaker 6: think it's just sort of an error by The hall
1:56:20
Speaker 6: Of fame. VOTERS i, mean, now Whenever belichick gets talked,
1:56:24
Speaker 6: about we have to hear, that like you know that
1:56:26
Speaker 6: that he was at first Ballt hall Of. Fame but
1:56:28
Speaker 6: it just feels like that's not great for The hall
1:56:31
Speaker 6: Of fame to have to hear that all the. Time.
1:56:33
Speaker 3: Uh let me ask.
1:56:34
Speaker 2: You this is based on a RECENT espn mock. Draft
1:56:38
Speaker 2: what is better for someone's career as an offensive lineman
1:56:41
Speaker 2: being drafted six overall to play for The browns or
1:56:46
Speaker 2: twenty seven overall to play for the forty nine.
1:56:49
Speaker 6: Ers, oh the forty nine, ers BUT i mean the
1:56:54
Speaker 6: money is the big difference between seven and twenty. Six,
1:56:58
Speaker 6: now if you're a good, lineman you're kind of could
1:57:00
Speaker 6: probably be good, anywhere to be honest with, You but
1:57:02
Speaker 6: this is About fano Or olomo.
1:57:04
Speaker 2: Both so the most RECENT espn mock, draft who is?
1:57:09
Speaker 2: It Matt miller, said follow it number six to The,
1:57:13
Speaker 2: browns not the first tackle take and he's got Mowing
1:57:15
Speaker 2: ola From miami going third.
1:57:18
Speaker 6: OVERALL i think he has to playing guard in THE, nfl,
1:57:20
Speaker 6: Though i'm quite curious if that ends up panting out
1:57:22
Speaker 6: that way off For no The miami kid.
1:57:24
Speaker 2: And Then lomo going twenty seven to The San francisco
1:57:28
Speaker 2: forty nine, ers WHERE i, MEAN i look at that
1:57:31
Speaker 2: OBVIOUSLY i love the local.
1:57:32
Speaker 3: Connection that's my favorite.
1:57:33
Speaker 2: Team but also you don't have to play right away
1:57:36
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i Think Trent williams has another year or two
1:57:38
Speaker 2: in him and you can understudy for one of.
1:57:41
Speaker 3: The best to ever do.
1:57:41
Speaker 6: It, well what did he just play right? Tackle? Maybe,
1:57:45
Speaker 6: YEAH i think he just played right. Tackle there's no
1:57:47
Speaker 6: way to. Anymore you tra have the first, round you're playing,
1:57:49
Speaker 6: immediately but you immediately go to a, winner, right and
1:57:52
Speaker 6: you go to a place that's that's, stable your coach
1:57:54
Speaker 6: is there, forever, RIGHT i, Mean chinahan's going nowhere versus
1:57:57
Speaker 6: Obviously Todd. Munkin it's you just how long is he
1:58:00
Speaker 6: gonna be the coach? There and the instability In cleveland
1:58:03
Speaker 6: Obviously Joe thomas was there for so many, years but
1:58:06
Speaker 6: they're just there's so much instability there THAT i would
1:58:08
Speaker 6: much rather. Look it's easy to sit here and say
1:58:10
Speaker 6: this for my, chair right when it's not my money
1:58:12
Speaker 6: involved in. This BUT i think we're finding Out sean
1:58:15
Speaker 6: more and more now that uh fit matters like more
1:58:19
Speaker 6: than maybe anything, else, Right and.
1:58:23
Speaker 2: But doesn't matter more For lineman because we've seen absolutely
1:58:27
Speaker 2: like because you, know if you go back and you
1:58:30
Speaker 2: look at people who've been successful for The browns in
1:58:33
Speaker 2: the last twenty, years you can only Pick lineman as.
1:58:36
Speaker 2: Examples so maybe it's not as big of a deal
1:58:39
Speaker 2: for that.
1:58:40
Speaker 6: POSITION i, MEAN i Think Joe thomas is gonna be get, anywhere,
1:58:43
Speaker 6: Right but then it comes down to quality of, life,
1:58:46
Speaker 6: right it comes down to opportunity to. WIN i, Mean
1:58:49
Speaker 6: Joe THOMAS i think played in one playoff. Game, maybe
1:58:54
Speaker 6: like you, know like those you know this this is
1:58:56
Speaker 6: gonna you, know go to The. Niners you have a
1:58:58
Speaker 6: chance to be a winner every year year and that
1:59:02
Speaker 6: quality of life and you'd both to get a second
1:59:05
Speaker 6: contract like this to, me all it's the reason why
1:59:09
Speaker 6: you'd write you want to go to better organization and
1:59:11
Speaker 6: so that that's those are more than just like you,
1:59:15
Speaker 6: know simple reasons.
1:59:16
Speaker 2: Why all, right Super bowl is this. Weekend you're not
1:59:21
Speaker 2: attending the Super bowl right.
1:59:23
Speaker 6: Now i'm going to for a few days for media.
1:59:26
Speaker 6: Stuff but Yeah i'm going tomorrow, morning but NOT i
1:59:29
Speaker 6: have to go to a.
1:59:29
Speaker 2: Party so, Okay so just so people know the type
1:59:32
Speaker 2: of personality Of Jeff schwartz if you have not listened
1:59:35
Speaker 2: for years when he AND i talked to one, Another
1:59:38
Speaker 2: jeff will go to the Super bowl city to do
1:59:41
Speaker 2: radio row and to do that kind of stuff and
1:59:44
Speaker 2: just suffer through the things that everyone else would be,
1:59:47
Speaker 2: like this is. AMAZING i get. Invited i'm walking past
1:59:50
Speaker 2: tables full of crab legs and shrimp, cocktails And i'm
1:59:53
Speaker 2: mingling and rubbing elbows with the. Stars jeff hates all of.
1:59:58
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2:00:05
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2:00:09
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2:00:18
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Speaker 6: least everything gonna be in the. World but my agent,
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2:00:32
Speaker 2: RIGHT i mean if you felt like, it you could
2:00:35
Speaker 2: attend the. Game but you don't want.
2:00:37
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2:01:15
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2:01:20
Speaker 6: no explaining that person to anybody. Whatsoever we had to
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Speaker 6: talk this. Weekend by the, way we were looking forward
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Speaker 6: to when you guys come out here for the uh
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2:01:41
Speaker 6: That i'll get. It i'll get a media. Credential just
2:01:43
Speaker 6: three tickets cover the fight For. Fox it'll be. Perfect,
2:01:47
Speaker 6: well we'll get you in for. Sure all, right let's
2:01:49
Speaker 6: talk about the game.
2:01:50
Speaker 2: Itself, yeah, Look, seattle it feels, like you, know the
2:01:55
Speaker 2: people have been relatively dismissive of The patriots chances.
2:01:58
Speaker 6: Here how do you feel about the? Matchup SO i
2:02:03
Speaker 6: THINK i have this. Right Uh aaron shatz v, FOOTBALL
2:02:08
Speaker 6: i think that's now AT. Ftn but he's a does
2:02:11
Speaker 6: d v O. A that's his, baby. Right he put
2:02:13
Speaker 6: out an article ranking all The Super bowl, teams all
2:02:17
Speaker 6: The Super bowl teams that ever have Played Super? Bowl and,
2:02:20
Speaker 6: uh where would? You? SO i think it's ninety eight
2:02:23
Speaker 6: teams right In Super bowl. Sixty there's my math is
2:02:26
Speaker 6: not right? There my math is. Right he, ranked he
2:02:30
Speaker 6: ranked all the? Teams what? What uh We're New england?
2:02:34
Speaker 4: Ranked?
2:02:35
Speaker 3: WELL i, mean, actually it's JUST i.
2:02:37
Speaker 6: Think it's from nineteen seventy because he started doing he's
2:02:39
Speaker 6: all his DVO a numbers only went back to.
2:02:41
Speaker 2: Then so The Super bowl, sixty there's been one hundred
2:02:45
Speaker 2: and eighty teams that have.
2:02:46
Speaker 6: Played, yeah so it's just it's just ninety six. Teams
2:02:48
Speaker 6: he's able To he's day on ninety six? Teams where
2:02:51
Speaker 6: were they? Ranked like you like ninety they're eighty, One
2:02:55
Speaker 6: they're they're, here, like good for, them but they're a great.
2:03:01
Speaker 6: TEAM i Think seattle is a much better football. Team you,
2:03:05
Speaker 6: Know it's interesting after the game last, WEEKEND i think
2:03:10
Speaker 6: everyone sort of a media was, like, oh, Yeah seattle's,
2:03:12
Speaker 6: Better they're gonna, win, Right and then with, time because
2:03:16
Speaker 6: that's what we, have we have time before the, game
2:03:19
Speaker 6: people start figuring out ways that their team's gonna. Win
2:03:23
Speaker 6: AND i feel like this week has been a lot
2:03:25
Speaker 6: of Well New. England, like you, Know i'm, like, no,
2:03:28
Speaker 6: NO I i'm not believing In New england all of a.
2:03:32
Speaker 6: SUDDEN i, MEAN i watched a Football IF i Liked
2:03:35
Speaker 6: seattle last, week why WOULD i change my?
2:03:37
Speaker 2: Opinion?
2:03:38
Speaker 6: Now there are ways That New england can, win and
2:03:40
Speaker 6: THAT i think revolves around a lot Around Sam donald
2:03:44
Speaker 6: is not playing, well right with that sort of Pumpkin
2:03:47
Speaker 6: Sam donald that we we thought we we got rid,
2:03:49
Speaker 6: of right because he played so well last, week they're forceunate.
2:03:52
Speaker 6: Mistakes we can win the. Game oh they're going.
2:03:55
Speaker 2: To who's the most important player in the, game not
2:04:00
Speaker 2: at the quarterback position Before New.
2:04:02
Speaker 6: England oh, UH i Mean Christian zalas has to play
2:04:08
Speaker 6: well and they have to find ways to STOP, Jsn
2:04:11
Speaker 6: so that'd probably be the GUY i WOULD i would look,
2:04:14
Speaker 6: at and Then Will campbell their left, tackle which has
2:04:18
Speaker 6: to play. Better he's just the young. Kids hasn't played
2:04:21
Speaker 6: very well since he came back from, injury and he's you,
2:04:23
Speaker 6: know it's been a problem with left tackle for.
2:04:26
Speaker 2: Them how many guys did You how many guys were
2:04:32
Speaker 2: you coached by in THE nfl that were younger.
2:04:34
Speaker 3: Than you in your? Career?
2:04:36
Speaker 2: Zero it feels, LIKE i Mean Davis, webb who we
2:04:41
Speaker 2: covered what he was, saying he's going to be a,
2:04:44
Speaker 2: Coordinator Like.
2:04:46
Speaker 6: Sean mannon is a. COORDINATOR i missed him by like
2:04:49
Speaker 6: two years in.
2:04:50
Speaker 2: College these guys ARE i, Mean Davis webb is thirty
2:04:54
Speaker 2: one years old and he's going to be going to
2:04:57
Speaker 2: be calling plays FOR nfl teams like this IS i,
2:05:01
Speaker 2: mean the dynamic is already interesting when you talk about
2:05:05
Speaker 2: how young college coaches are, Now, yeah you still don't
2:05:10
Speaker 2: have twenty year olds coaching twenty two year. Olds when
2:05:13
Speaker 2: you're a thirty one year old coaching a thirty five year,
2:05:15
Speaker 2: OLD i imagine there is a strangeness to that.
2:05:19
Speaker 6: Dynamic sean McVay did it with some of the OLDER rams. Players,
2:05:23
Speaker 6: yeah where we're talked about this before you know. It
2:05:29
Speaker 6: it feels like a younger coach's, game, Right they're able
2:05:31
Speaker 6: to relate to the players a lot better now the
2:05:34
Speaker 6: players are personally wise just different than at the group
2:05:37
Speaker 6: in a social media era or just, different, Right and
2:05:39
Speaker 6: some of the, coaches and the older COACH i think
2:05:41
Speaker 6: have trouble with with that. Concept the younger coaches just
2:05:45
Speaker 6: they just relate better to these. Players and you, know
2:05:48
Speaker 6: younger coaches typically have creative, things creative. Minds they, have you,
2:05:53
Speaker 6: know different ways to attack a defense or offense and,
2:05:55
Speaker 6: that and they have an energy and a youthfulness that you,
2:05:59
Speaker 6: know really sort of goes through the whole. Building AND
2:06:03
Speaker 6: i get why they're getting the, opportunities, right why not try?
2:06:07
Speaker 6: THAT i, think you, know teams are trying to find
2:06:08
Speaker 6: Next sean, mcvagh, right the Next Kyle, shanahan who's not
2:06:10
Speaker 6: you not young anymore compared to when he was first.
2:06:13
Speaker 6: Hired teams just are searching that.
2:06:14
Speaker 2: Out Jeff schwartz is our guests here on The sean.
2:06:17
Speaker 2: O'connells we'll talking all things football ahead of The Super.
2:06:21
Speaker 3: Bowl coming From Santa, Clara.
2:06:23
Speaker 2: California do you know if The patriots or The seahawks
2:06:27
Speaker 2: are using the forty nine ers practice field this? Week?
2:06:31
Speaker 6: Uh one of them that probably have, to, RIGHT i
2:06:34
Speaker 6: think one uses, them one use The San Jose STATE i.
2:06:36
Speaker 2: THINK i, MEAN i wouldn't IF i were one of
2:06:39
Speaker 2: These Super bowl teams go next to that power.
2:06:42
Speaker 3: Station uh.
2:06:42
Speaker 6: Huh of course you would believe in. That The niners
2:06:45
Speaker 6: have been there for like fifty.
2:06:47
Speaker 3: Years but we already talked about. This but it perception is.
2:06:50
Speaker 4: Reality.
2:06:51
Speaker 2: Okay so if You're Jackson smith And jigba and you're
2:06:55
Speaker 2: like you hear the buzzing of that thing while you're,
2:06:58
Speaker 2: practicing you never, know.
2:07:01
Speaker 6: You, do never know The niners are setting you up to.
2:07:04
Speaker 6: FAIL i wouldn't be The.
2:07:07
Speaker 3: Seahawks by the, way The niners would put The seahawks.
2:07:09
Speaker 6: There, well the picker of the home, team SO i
2:07:12
Speaker 6: think they get The fortners, FACILITY i guess BECAUSE i
2:07:15
Speaker 6: Think New england is they're wearing they're all. Whites it's
2:07:19
Speaker 6: just not my. Choice i'm the home. Team that's a bad.
2:07:22
Speaker 6: Choice why would you wear all?
2:07:24
Speaker 2: WHITE i am kind of anti all white uniforms most
2:07:29
Speaker 2: of the, time especially white. Helmets i'm not a big
2:07:31
Speaker 2: fan of white, helmets BUT.
2:07:33
Speaker 6: I, mean The rosewall helmets were.
2:07:34
Speaker 3: Nice those were. Cool they changed my mind a little.
2:07:37
Speaker 2: Bit The White Youth proud helmets have changed my mind
2:07:39
Speaker 2: a little bit on. That but in, General i'm not
2:07:42
Speaker 2: a big fan of white.
2:07:42
Speaker 6: Helmets all white uniforms would make you look very.
2:07:46
Speaker 3: Fat maybe that's WHY i don't like.
2:07:49
Speaker 6: Them if, you if, YOU i mean that seems to
2:07:52
Speaker 6: be a a concern for.
2:07:54
Speaker 4: Me.
2:07:54
Speaker 6: Obviously AM i playing career all? White you look just?
2:07:57
Speaker 4: Fat?
2:07:58
Speaker 6: Dude oh it's.
2:07:58
Speaker 2: Brutal so since we last, talked there have been more
2:08:04
Speaker 2: changes in THE nfl coaching. Carousel which one has been
2:08:09
Speaker 2: most noteworthy to?
2:08:10
Speaker 6: You you, Know I'm i'm very curious About Klick kubiak
2:08:13
Speaker 6: to The raiders' SALES. OC i think he's at a
2:08:17
Speaker 6: fabulous job this. Season it's a really really good. Job
2:08:20
Speaker 6: and he Gets, mendoza you, know like this is going
2:08:22
Speaker 6: to be an, interesting you, know pairing between a guy
2:08:24
Speaker 6: that we all Think mendoza has the good to be
2:08:27
Speaker 6: get AN nfl. QUARTERBACK i do think he's a tattoo.
2:08:29
Speaker 6: Corny i'm kind of, curious like, you O kaed.
2:08:31
Speaker 2: We talked about this yesterday when we were looking at
2:08:33
Speaker 2: that mock, Draft AND i don't.
2:08:36
Speaker 3: Know i've never been in AN nfl locker.
2:08:38
Speaker 4: ROOM i don't.
2:08:38
Speaker 2: Know when you're cause like and you're the perfect person
2:08:41
Speaker 2: to talk. To he Is corny's a great way to put.
2:08:44
Speaker 2: It he is like he's a boy. Scout AND i
2:08:47
Speaker 2: don't know if that's important or not to his teammates
2:08:51
Speaker 2: in THE, nfl or if all you care about is
2:08:52
Speaker 2: how he performs when you know you're between the. LINES
2:08:57
Speaker 2: a lot of times you see quarterbacks most successful when
2:09:01
Speaker 2: they are popular with their, teammates when they're relatable with their,
2:09:04
Speaker 2: teammates when they have chemistry with all their. Teammates is
2:09:07
Speaker 2: that something that's important in THE.
2:09:08
Speaker 6: Nfl so here's my thing about the sort of the, corniness, Right,
2:09:14
Speaker 6: like when you, win it's, great it's it's, like look
2:09:18
Speaker 6: at this this. Guy he's when you start when you
2:09:20
Speaker 6: my people like you're four and nine as A. Raider
2:09:23
Speaker 6: you just lost by seventeen points To. BRONCOS i Think
2:09:26
Speaker 6: Max crosby wants to hear like some corny speech you
2:09:30
Speaker 6: just gave to the media after you lost the, Game, Right, No,
2:09:34
Speaker 6: No and That's mollly concerned With mendoza is like is it?
2:09:41
Speaker 6: Real is? It is it? Contrived is it to get?
2:09:44
Speaker 6: Attacked like? What what's you know? What what it's just?
2:09:46
Speaker 6: This if it is who he, is it's. Great but
2:09:48
Speaker 6: BUT i do think like when when you, win it's
2:09:51
Speaker 6: all the it sounds, great, right all that. Stuff when
2:09:54
Speaker 6: you start, losing man it people people try on Fast
2:09:59
Speaker 6: man to turn on Fast.
2:10:02
Speaker 4: All.
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Speaker 2: Right we have a tradition here on The sean O'Connell,
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Speaker 2: show the long standing tradition of assigning experts to cover
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Speaker 2: Which one do you? Want you can't have.
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2:10:22
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2:10:28
Speaker 6: IT i JUST i had to watch. It it's it's
2:10:31
Speaker 6: a bummer when that happens that. Way so which winter
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Speaker 6: sport we we've we've Given nordic, Skiing so like the
2:10:39
Speaker 6: cross country you can't. Have OH i THINK i would like, curling.
2:10:44
Speaker 2: You know we are you can't have. Curling it's already.
2:10:47
Speaker 6: That's the best. One, well let me look it's, great
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Speaker 6: BUT i, mean, Okay i'm, sorry let me look Up olympic.
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2:11:03
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Speaker 3: Enthusiasm all, Right.
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Speaker 2: Blockbuster trade for The Utah. Jazz Sarah todd is?
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Speaker 2: go with. That she just barely, said, YES i can
2:14:15
Speaker 2: do one, thirty so we're. Hoping so oh. Jeez well
2:14:17
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Speaker 2: Blockbuster, Trade let's talk about it for The Utah jazz
2:14:58
Speaker 2: with The Utah Jazz inside from The Dead's News Sarah,
2:15:01
Speaker 2: todd who's kind of enough to jump on and react
2:15:04
Speaker 2: to the big news That Jaren Jackson junior will be
2:15:07
Speaker 2: headed To Salt Lake city along with several other players
2:15:12
Speaker 2: in The Utah jazz are sending Out Walter Clayton, Junior Kylie,
2:15:16
Speaker 2: Anderson Taylor, Hendrix George, nyang and three future first round.
2:15:20
Speaker 3: Picks, Sarah welcome to the. Show how are.
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Speaker 9: YOU i am not doing too. Bad i'm coming at
2:15:28
Speaker 9: you live from the parking lot of a McDonald's Where
2:15:32
Speaker 9: i'm using McDonald's WiFi to write my story And i'm
2:15:38
Speaker 9: watching somebody get arrested right. Now so there's just a
2:15:41
Speaker 9: lot going on in my life that's.
2:15:43
Speaker 2: Incredible, oh the cinema and the glamour of being a beat. Writer,
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Speaker 2: wow thank you for giving us a little look at
2:15:50
Speaker 2: what that actually. Is your initial reaction to this big, Trade.
2:15:57
Speaker 9: Yeah my initial reaction is. SURPRISE i didn't expect them
2:16:02
Speaker 9: to do something. BIG i don't know, that you, know
2:16:06
Speaker 9: if you'd ask. THEM i MEAN i have asked them
2:16:09
Speaker 9: right like a few weeks. AGO i don't think that
2:16:11
Speaker 9: there are a lot of people within The jazz organization
2:16:14
Speaker 9: that really expected for them to do something major and.
2:16:16
Speaker 9: Big but you, know the Making Jah morant available and
2:16:25
Speaker 9: this was kind of signaled right when The grizzlies Traded Desmond.
2:16:29
Speaker 9: Bane The Ja morant thing has been percolating for a,
2:16:33
Speaker 9: while and him being very clearly available for, trade all
2:16:39
Speaker 9: that does is since signals out to the rest of
2:16:41
Speaker 9: the league to say everything else is available, too, Right
2:16:45
Speaker 9: and SO i think it's really great from The jazz
2:16:50
Speaker 9: to have gone in and instead of going for maybe
2:16:54
Speaker 9: what would seem like the flashier thing to do and
2:16:57
Speaker 9: go after someone Like John, morant they they got memphisis
2:17:01
Speaker 9: kind of more consistent player from the last four. Years
2:17:05
Speaker 9: and AND i, mean just as far as you're looking
2:17:10
Speaker 9: at that, LINEUP i, MEAN i know that's probably something
2:17:12
Speaker 9: that we're going to talk about, too is the idea
2:17:14
Speaker 9: Of Walker, Kestler Lowry, markman And Jaron Jackson junior all playing.
2:17:19
Speaker 9: Together like it's it's a bit, wild BUT i think
2:17:22
Speaker 9: that it's really.
2:17:23
Speaker 2: Intriguing well with this, move have The jazz in the
2:17:28
Speaker 2: front office announced, that, like all, right this rebuild is
2:17:31
Speaker 2: not going to be called that. Anymore now we're, tuning
2:17:34
Speaker 2: and this is a team that in twenty twenty, six
2:17:37
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, seven we're going to actually put our foot
2:17:40
Speaker 2: down to the gas pedal and we're going to try
2:17:42
Speaker 2: to compete and win some.
2:17:43
Speaker 9: Games, YEAH i think that there's been a lot of
2:17:48
Speaker 9: fatigue right From Ryan smith and you, know anybody else
2:17:54
Speaker 9: in the. ORGANIZATION i don't think that anybody really enjoys
2:17:57
Speaker 9: the years of, tanking, right but that's that's kind of
2:18:01
Speaker 9: what they've been saying over the last couple of years
2:18:03
Speaker 9: about you, know how to frame what a rebuilding process.
2:18:06
Speaker 9: Is you, know people within The jazz organization have liked
2:18:10
Speaker 9: to say, that you, know in order to do a,
2:18:12
Speaker 9: rebuild you have to tear down to then build back.
2:18:15
Speaker 9: Up and so we've been seeing a lot to tear
2:18:17
Speaker 9: down over the last couple of, years and this is kind,
2:18:21
Speaker 9: of you, know the first big step of building things back.
2:18:25
Speaker 9: Up so like you're, saying, like this is going to
2:18:27
Speaker 9: be fine. TUNING i want to temper expectations for. EVERYONE
2:18:31
Speaker 9: i don't want everyone to think like next year they're
2:18:33
Speaker 9: going to be world, beaters, Right but this is a
2:18:36
Speaker 9: really good sign for The jazz to be ready to
2:18:38
Speaker 9: actually compete and try to make things happen as early
2:18:42
Speaker 9: as next.
2:18:43
Speaker 2: Season it doesn't feel coincidental that you're bringing a, guy
2:18:48
Speaker 2: a former Defensive player of The, year multiple Time ALL
2:18:50
Speaker 2: Nba Defensive team when you know your team has been
2:18:54
Speaker 2: pretty bad defensively and they've talked about several times even
2:18:58
Speaker 2: in recent, weeks how that needs to be. Fixed how
2:19:01
Speaker 2: much can a player Like TRIPLE j fix.
2:19:04
Speaker 9: That, yeah and we we don't know what the future
2:19:09
Speaker 9: of the other players coming Over, ray Like John, Concer Jock,
2:19:13
Speaker 9: lockdale joacques Landale Vian Williams. Jr we don't know how
2:19:17
Speaker 9: that's all going to shake out for the future of The, jazz.
2:19:21
Speaker 9: Right but my greater point here is that Both memphis,
2:19:26
Speaker 9: teams even under the new, regime dating back to The
2:19:30
Speaker 9: brita and grind days of The Memphis prisle is like
2:19:33
Speaker 9: there has been a very very strong and important defensive
2:19:37
Speaker 9: culture for that, team and so like, that that is
2:19:41
Speaker 9: the kind of player In Jaron jackson that you're bringing.
2:19:44
Speaker 9: In and even if you end up keeping any of
2:19:46
Speaker 9: these other players they've been in that, system like that
2:19:48
Speaker 9: is the number one priority for. Them and when you're
2:19:53
Speaker 9: talking About TRIPLE, J i think it's important to note
2:19:57
Speaker 9: like his success on being a point of attack defender
2:20:01
Speaker 9: as well as being a front court. Defender and so
2:20:05
Speaker 9: obviously you're going to want some smaller, players whether it's
2:20:10
Speaker 9: Your Kiante George Ace, bailey to step up as perimeter
2:20:15
Speaker 9: and point of attack defenders in the long term or
2:20:19
Speaker 9: add more wing and point of attack defenders as the
2:20:23
Speaker 9: years go. On but this is a huge injection for
2:20:27
Speaker 9: them to increase their defensive efficiency right off the.
2:20:30
Speaker 2: Bat how much has the emergence Of Kyante george, affected you,
2:20:36
Speaker 2: know a decision to make a move like. THIS i
2:20:40
Speaker 2: don't want to oversell, anything but it feels like if
2:20:43
Speaker 2: If kyante was struggling along this, year we might be, asked,
2:20:47
Speaker 2: hey be, patient we'll see what happens with this.
2:20:49
Speaker 3: Draft.
2:20:49
Speaker 2: Whatever has his emergence accelerated the timeline to trigger something
2:20:54
Speaker 2: like the move we're seeing.
2:20:55
Speaker 9: Today, YEAH i mean you can look at it in
2:20:59
Speaker 9: two ways, too and not just that it's accelerated, things
2:21:02
Speaker 9: but also that you, know If keyante was struggling across the,
2:21:08
Speaker 9: league and especially From jazz, fans we'd be having a
2:21:13
Speaker 9: much different view of how The jazz have actually handled
2:21:16
Speaker 9: the draft and these selections of the last couple of. Years, Right,
2:21:21
Speaker 9: like we've seen some good stuff From Cody williams over
2:21:24
Speaker 9: the last few, weeks but a few weeks is not
2:21:27
Speaker 9: something to hang your hat. On and so the jury
2:21:29
Speaker 9: is still. Out Taylor, hendrix who has now been sent
2:21:33
Speaker 9: out in this, trade like that was looking like it.
2:21:36
Speaker 9: WAS i, mean he was basically at the rotation and
2:21:39
Speaker 9: you know whether or not the season ending injury from
2:21:43
Speaker 9: last year had to do a lot with it or.
2:21:46
Speaker 9: Not like he was, struggling and so, like we have
2:21:48
Speaker 9: a lot of you, know top ten, picks a lottery
2:21:51
Speaker 9: picks that were looking at their not really looking like
2:21:54
Speaker 9: they're going to pan out into great. Players and so
2:21:59
Speaker 9: then you place a lot of hope and responsibility on
2:22:03
Speaker 9: the shoulders of guys LIKE A bailey And Kante. George
2:22:06
Speaker 9: so if we were looking At Kyante george struggling through this,
2:22:09
Speaker 9: year that would have been a huge black mark for
2:22:12
Speaker 9: The jazz in their drafting during the. Rebuild but, ALSO
2:22:17
Speaker 9: i mean they probably be sending him out in a
2:22:19
Speaker 9: trade like this and trying to get something back and
2:22:21
Speaker 9: maybe not even get something as valuable because prior to this,
2:22:25
Speaker 9: Season kyante's value was really. Low but he has completely
2:22:31
Speaker 9: completely turned things around with his, play with his, attitude
2:22:35
Speaker 9: with his, approach and so, absolutely when you have a
2:22:39
Speaker 9: player like that that's starting to emerge at a twenty
2:22:43
Speaker 9: six year, old huge defensive player In triple j that
2:22:47
Speaker 9: does speed up the.
2:22:47
Speaker 2: Timeline Sarah todd for another minute or two Here Utah
2:22:52
Speaker 2: Jazz insider over at The Dead's News the. Picks the
2:22:56
Speaker 2: three picks are a twenty twenty seven first round under
2:23:00
Speaker 2: from The Cleveland minnesota deal The lakers twenty twenty seven
2:23:05
Speaker 2: first round pick and a twenty thirty one first round.
2:23:08
Speaker 2: Pick that's What memphis gets as part of the draft
2:23:11
Speaker 2: capital return from Trading Jaron jackson to The.
2:23:14
Speaker 3: Jazz what do you think of?
2:23:16
Speaker 2: That this is a team that has been rich in
2:23:19
Speaker 2: draft capital AND i don't know that people wanted to
2:23:23
Speaker 2: be patient enough to see how a twenty thirty one
2:23:25
Speaker 2: first round pick was going to work out. Anyway but
2:23:28
Speaker 2: you're giving up two first round picks in twenty twenty.
2:23:30
Speaker 2: Seven is this going to be something that The jazz
2:23:33
Speaker 2: look back on and, say, yeah it made, sense or
2:23:35
Speaker 2: are we going to regret?
2:23:36
Speaker 7: It?
2:23:38
Speaker 9: Yeah that's a big question every time that there's multiple
2:23:42
Speaker 9: draft picks that are sent out a, trade right, like
2:23:45
Speaker 9: is hindsight going to make this look? BAD i think.
2:23:50
Speaker 9: Definitely the thinking here is that the twenty twenty seven
2:23:53
Speaker 9: draft right now projects to be not a super highly
2:23:57
Speaker 9: touted draft, class and because you're hoping that The jazz
2:24:03
Speaker 9: are going to be at least competing in The Western,
2:24:05
Speaker 9: conference and you probably expect For cleveland And minnesota to
2:24:10
Speaker 9: at least at least be good for the next couple of,
2:24:12
Speaker 9: years so that first pick that's the most favorable of
2:24:16
Speaker 9: those three. Teams that's probably not going to be a
2:24:19
Speaker 9: very high, pick so you're not too worried about sending
2:24:21
Speaker 9: that one. Out The lakers are probably going to be
2:24:25
Speaker 9: in the, mix like you wouldn't expect for A Luca
2:24:29
Speaker 9: dantic team in two years to be down at the
2:24:31
Speaker 9: bottom of the standings in a way that's going to
2:24:34
Speaker 9: give a really really high. Pick So i'd say not
2:24:38
Speaker 9: too worried about the twenty twenty seven, picks LIKE i,
2:24:40
Speaker 9: said especially considering what that draft class kind of looks
2:24:43
Speaker 9: like right. Now the twenty thirty one, pick that's probably
2:24:47
Speaker 9: the one that looks. Good But i've been saying it
2:24:49
Speaker 9: for years. Now The jazz are Not they were not
2:24:51
Speaker 9: collecting all these picks to make the picks themselves in,
2:24:55
Speaker 9: perpetuity you, know like they weren't just going to keep
2:24:58
Speaker 9: making draft. Picks at some point you do have to
2:25:00
Speaker 9: start packaging things together to actually kind of make a
2:25:03
Speaker 9: go for, it and they still have assets in the
2:25:06
Speaker 9: cupboard to continue to make. DEALS i think that The
2:25:10
Speaker 9: phoenix twenty thirty one pick is probably the pick That
2:25:14
Speaker 9: memphis is the most excited to receive in this because they're,
2:25:18
Speaker 9: starting they're looking down the barrel of a rebuild, now
2:25:21
Speaker 9: and so that one you, might you, know five years from,
2:25:26
Speaker 9: now look back on and, think, oh we could have had.
2:25:28
Speaker 9: That BUT i don't think that anybody in the jazz
2:25:31
Speaker 9: world wants to be sitting here five years from now
2:25:34
Speaker 9: wondering what they could have got at the top of the.
2:25:36
Speaker 9: Draft they'd rather be competing five years from.
2:25:39
Speaker 2: Now does the acquisition Of Jaron Jackson. Junior does it
2:25:45
Speaker 2: change the math On Walker kessler's impending free agency restricted or?
2:25:50
Speaker 9: Not, YEAH i think there's a couple things that play,
2:25:57
Speaker 9: here right From walker's side of, things, right Like walker's
2:26:01
Speaker 9: view of, THINGS i think that there was maybe a
2:26:04
Speaker 9: little bit of concern that they were that The jazz
2:26:09
Speaker 9: might be heading towards not being a competing, team and
2:26:14
Speaker 9: that could be worrying if you're In Walker kessler's, camp,
2:26:17
Speaker 9: Right and so if you look at the idea of
2:26:20
Speaker 9: playing beside kind of another stretch guy Like Jaron Jackson
2:26:24
Speaker 9: junior who can shoot from the, outside you're still going
2:26:26
Speaker 9: to be able to play on the court with him
2:26:28
Speaker 9: like that probably feels exciting to actually be starting to build.
2:26:32
Speaker 9: Up so maybe that like softened feelings there a little
2:26:35
Speaker 9: bit from The jazz side of. THINGS i think you,
2:26:38
Speaker 9: know they've been open and are open to Keeping Walker kessler.
2:26:42
Speaker 9: AROUND i think that THIS i don't think that this
2:26:45
Speaker 9: necessarily changes the number that they would probably end. ON
2:26:48
Speaker 9: i think that's all more tied To walker's surgery and
2:26:51
Speaker 9: what his recovery might look, like and kind of just
2:26:54
Speaker 9: what the two sides are going to be willing to
2:26:57
Speaker 9: agree upon when it comes to a. NUMBER i think
2:27:01
Speaker 9: it's really it makes sense for people to see this
2:27:04
Speaker 9: trade and, think, well they're bringing In Jaron, jackson like
2:27:07
Speaker 9: that's probably the end Of Walker. KESSLER i think it
2:27:10
Speaker 9: might be a bit of insurance that If walker doesn't
2:27:14
Speaker 9: want to be In, utah or doesn't want to sign an,
2:27:16
Speaker 9: extension or just wants to take the qualifying, offer Right,
2:27:19
Speaker 9: like Having Jaron Jackson junior is pretty beautiful insurance as
2:27:23
Speaker 9: far as having someone else who could play that. Role
2:27:27
Speaker 9: BUT i think there is a lot of excitement about
2:27:30
Speaker 9: the idea That, Walker jaren And lowry could be sharing
2:27:35
Speaker 9: the court a lot for many years to.
2:27:37
Speaker 2: COME i will for now share in that excitement and
2:27:41
Speaker 2: what a fun thing to happen two days before trade. Deadline,
2:27:45
Speaker 2: sarah thanks for your insight and your. TIME i appreciate,
2:27:47
Speaker 2: you no.
2:27:49
Speaker 9: Problem thanks a lot to See Sarah.
2:27:51
Speaker 2: Todd from The DEA's News Utah Jazz. INSIDER i Have
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Speaker 2: Black crows tickets to give. Away next with a trivia
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Speaker 2: question and we'll talk With spence. Checkets he's gonna have
2:28:00
Speaker 2: some thoughts.
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Speaker 4: Am we got.
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Speaker 2: The The Utah jazz blockbuster trade today brings In Jaren Jackson.
2:28:30
Speaker 2: Junior he was THE Nba Defensive player of The year
2:28:35
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Speaker 2: coming to The Utah jazz is part of a big
2:28:49
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2:28:52
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Speaker 10: You i'm, well this is potentially the biggest trade in
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Speaker 10: the history of The Utah.
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Speaker 2: Jazz, WELL i, mean go down the.
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Speaker 10: List this is potentially the biggest swing The jazz have
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Speaker 10: ever taken as an, organization with the potential exception Of
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Speaker 10: Jeff horniseck back in the nineties to pair them With
2:29:48
Speaker 10: john And. Carl, Okay so my gut tells me there's
2:29:52
Speaker 10: more and reaching out to try to see WHAT i
2:29:55
Speaker 10: can find out, there because, look.
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Speaker 2: We need alleviate some.
2:29:59
Speaker 10: Concerns Jaron Jackson junior is about to find out that
2:30:01
Speaker 10: he has tendonitis of the back or something correct he's
2:30:04
Speaker 10: about to find out that he has a bad. Knee
2:30:06
Speaker 10: he doesn't know that he has a bad. Knee he's
2:30:08
Speaker 10: about to find out that he has a bad.
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Speaker 2: Knee he is going to come To Salt Lake city
2:30:11
Speaker 2: and have a lot of time to get the lay
2:30:14
Speaker 2: of the land without playing meaningful.
2:30:16
Speaker 3: Basket that is.
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Speaker 10: Correct so the, panics the panic about, sorry the panic
2:30:22
Speaker 10: about holding onto this year's draft, asset do away with, it,
2:30:26
Speaker 10: okay because they kept the pick this, year indicating they
2:30:29
Speaker 10: want to keep the pick this. Year so therefore they
2:30:31
Speaker 10: will do whatever they need to do to keep the
2:30:33
Speaker 10: pick this. Year what makes this thing potentially over the
2:30:36
Speaker 10: top exciting is if you land one of the top three,
2:30:39
Speaker 10: picks because what the roster doesn't have right now is
2:30:43
Speaker 10: a ton of ball in hand decision making offensive. Players
2:30:46
Speaker 10: but this is a team that for four years has
2:30:48
Speaker 10: been historically pathetic on, defense and they just added one
2:30:51
Speaker 10: of the best defensive players on the. Market Now i'm
2:30:54
Speaker 10: hearing a lot of canny play next To. Walker have
2:30:56
Speaker 10: you looked Up jaron jackson junior? Stats you look a
2:31:00
Speaker 10: lot of things on the. Show if you looked up his,
2:31:01
Speaker 10: STATS i actually, Haven't, okay look up type In Jaren
2:31:05
Speaker 10: Jackson junior stats right, now because The jazz actually need
2:31:09
Speaker 10: a center Like Walker kessler to pair next to a
2:31:13
Speaker 10: forward Like Jaron Jackson. Junior, now look up his rebounds per. Game,
2:31:17
Speaker 10: uh he is at just under. Six he doesn't rebound
2:31:20
Speaker 10: the basketball LIKE i think a lot of people just,
2:31:22
Speaker 10: assume Like Jaron Jackson, junior big, dude good defensive, player.
2:31:26
Speaker 2: Man must he must crash the. Glass he.
2:31:28
Speaker 10: Doesn't he's never rebounded it, well which has kind of
2:31:31
Speaker 10: been an. Oddity now he's a positional defensive player that
2:31:35
Speaker 10: can switch one through.
2:31:36
Speaker 2: Five there are probably ten of those in the.
2:31:38
Speaker 10: League he shoots at about thirty seven thirty eight percent from,
2:31:41
Speaker 10: three which a lot of people don't realize that as.
2:31:43
Speaker 10: Well so this is not, like, oh it's redundant With
2:31:46
Speaker 10: walker because he's a rim protector and a.
2:31:48
Speaker 2: Rebounder he actually is.
2:31:49
Speaker 10: Not he's a guy that can guard on the perimeter
2:31:52
Speaker 10: and he can, be you, know guarding the paint a little.
2:31:54
Speaker 10: Bit you need a rim protector like A Walker kessler
2:31:57
Speaker 10: or a use Off nurkich who's played well this year
2:31:59
Speaker 10: next To jaron J.
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Speaker 2: R you Slide lowry to three and where it gets interesting.
2:32:05
Speaker 10: Is my guess is the coaching staff in the front
2:32:06
Speaker 10: office has done their calculation and they Think ace can
2:32:09
Speaker 10: play Two Ace. Bailey as you're starting to what does
2:32:13
Speaker 10: that mean at at at the one what does that
2:32:17
Speaker 10: mean for a true classic point? Guard or As Will
2:32:20
Speaker 10: hardy himself has talked a lot, about just give me
2:32:23
Speaker 10: five skilled players on the. Floor it doesn't matter who
2:32:26
Speaker 10: brings the ball up and initiates the. Offense do you
2:32:28
Speaker 10: Trust keyante to do? That that's a tricky thing because
2:32:31
Speaker 10: What kiante has shown is he's a great individual offensive.
2:32:34
Speaker 2: Player his decision making is better this.
2:32:37
Speaker 10: Year but is it good enough to be like a
2:32:39
Speaker 10: offense initiator with four really, big long players around?
2:32:43
Speaker 2: You and that's the other. Thing keyantay is a sieve on.
2:32:46
Speaker 10: Defense but what you have now are four dudes between
2:32:50
Speaker 10: six nine and seven to two behind him that can
2:32:52
Speaker 10: protect the paint and guard in the case That kiante
2:32:55
Speaker 10: loses a, man which he always.
2:32:56
Speaker 2: DOES i love the move because it does a couple.
2:33:00
Speaker 2: Things it stops the narrative about, well we're kicking this
2:33:04
Speaker 2: can down the, road this rebuild be you, know trust,
2:33:08
Speaker 2: Us we're going to do this for another year or
2:33:10
Speaker 2: two or three or however, long and it's at least an.
2:33:14
Speaker 2: Attempt it does address the defensive, issues like you, said
2:33:18
Speaker 2: at least at that one, position and you do it
2:33:22
Speaker 2: without it being excessively expensive in a meaningful. Way, now
2:33:26
Speaker 2: having draft capital is, Wonderful but one of these picks
2:33:28
Speaker 2: is in twenty thirty. One that's The sun's unprotected.
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Speaker 10: Pick but still it is twenty thirty one When i'm
2:33:34
Speaker 10: in my mid, fifties.
2:33:35
Speaker 2: So i'm not worried about. It there's not a single
2:33:37
Speaker 2: person watching jazz basketball right now who's just, LIKE i
2:33:41
Speaker 2: can't wait to see what that pick five years from
2:33:44
Speaker 2: now is going to translate.
2:33:45
Speaker 10: Exactly and coaches and gmnch don't cheer for fruit future
2:33:48
Speaker 10: Draft capitlie.
2:33:49
Speaker 2: Year old, kid are we watching today to see how
2:33:52
Speaker 2: he translates to be that? Pick so it is it's
2:33:57
Speaker 2: an admission that, hey we Were you're not going to
2:34:00
Speaker 2: do this with us, forever fan, base support, base, whatever
2:34:05
Speaker 2: it's time to. Win we can't ask our players And
2:34:08
Speaker 2: Will hardy to keep, like, hey we want you to
2:34:10
Speaker 2: suck in a classy. Way they're, like let's try, this, yeah,
2:34:13
Speaker 2: Yeah and it's gonna start twenty twenty, six twenty twenty. Seven,
2:34:16
Speaker 2: yeah a couple other.
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Speaker 10: Things so as you, reference one of the picks Is
2:34:18
Speaker 10: phoenix's pick in twenty thirty. One now it is completely,
2:34:21
Speaker 10: unprotected so that's a. Wildcard but to your, point nobody
2:34:24
Speaker 10: cheers for draft, picks and most front office executives and
2:34:27
Speaker 10: coaches don't, either because they usually don't have the job
2:34:30
Speaker 10: by the time the pick comes. Around the other two
2:34:32
Speaker 10: picks are the most favorable of the twenty twenty seven
2:34:36
Speaker 10: first round, pick Between, Cleveland minnesota And.
2:34:38
Speaker 2: Utah now that gets a little, Hairy and here's.
2:34:40
Speaker 10: WHY i Think cleveland's done their, calculation AND i think
2:34:45
Speaker 10: they're going to try to start. Over it sounds Like
2:34:47
Speaker 10: donovan's gonna. Leave where have we heard this story? Before
2:34:50
Speaker 10: if they Trade garland and The clippers For, harden what
2:34:53
Speaker 10: that does Is harden's money comes off the books next,
2:34:55
Speaker 10: year they get out from Underneath garland's, contract And donovan,
2:34:58
Speaker 10: leaves so they start over next, year and that draft
2:35:02
Speaker 10: pick could be a valuable one that goes To memphis.
2:35:06
Speaker 2: In a relatively lackluster draft from house being. Projected that's, right.
2:35:10
Speaker 10: And that's WHERE i was gonna, land because the other
2:35:11
Speaker 10: one is The lakers twenty twenty seven first round. Pick
2:35:14
Speaker 10: So austin's very, smart and he is always believed in, drafting,
2:35:18
Speaker 10: developing and. Retaining he's all about the. Draft he's all
2:35:21
Speaker 10: about college. Players so what he's done here is made
2:35:25
Speaker 10: sure that two of the picks are in the twenty
2:35:27
Speaker 10: twenty seven, class which isn't expected to be anything like
2:35:31
Speaker 10: the class this year or the class in twenty twenty,
2:35:33
Speaker 10: eight where The Jazz i think at least have two
2:35:35
Speaker 10: maybe three picks still in their back. Pocket so this
2:35:38
Speaker 10: is a, really really good trade in my. Opinion now
2:35:41
Speaker 10: it's predicated on some things fallen into. Place we will
2:35:45
Speaker 10: all be sitting around our television during the, lottery and
2:35:49
Speaker 10: if The jazz grab one of the top two, picks
2:35:52
Speaker 10: and if they compare Either Darren peterson and Aj debonsa
2:35:57
Speaker 10: With Ace, Bailey Keante George Jaron, Jackson Junior Lowry marketing
2:36:01
Speaker 10: And Walker. Kessler we're cooking with gas next. YEAR i,
2:36:04
Speaker 10: mean we're not winning, championships but that's. It that's a
2:36:06
Speaker 10: playoff team and maybe a top five or six team
2:36:08
Speaker 10: in The.
2:36:09
Speaker 2: West what if you get pick number five, again still
2:36:13
Speaker 2: in a better spot than you have, BEEN i, mean
2:36:15
Speaker 2: it's one. Through it's a good. Trade pretty, good it's
2:36:18
Speaker 2: a good. TRADE i. LIKE i like the. Trade and
2:36:20
Speaker 2: and even if YOU i think it's gonna work out
2:36:23
Speaker 2: better in this year's draft lottery For, utah just BECAUSE
2:36:27
Speaker 2: i am a believer in the manipulation.
2:36:29
Speaker 3: Schemes you you wouldn't be able to convince me otherwise.
2:36:32
Speaker 10: We wouldn't that mean it it's not going to work
2:36:35
Speaker 10: out for the jazz because it never has.
2:36:36
Speaker 3: Been, No, NO i think.
2:36:38
Speaker 2: THAT i think that The Utah jazz and the Aj
2:36:42
Speaker 2: de bonsa thing are going to come.
2:36:43
Speaker 10: Together oh, okay so you think behind the scenes this
2:36:48
Speaker 10: has all been plotted. Out get ajded to B yu
2:36:52
Speaker 10: he he Sees utah Loves. Utah my Guy rye a
2:36:55
Speaker 10: couple of guys in their forties wearing their hats.
2:36:57
Speaker 2: Backwards you know he Gets, No, rye we can't get
2:37:00
Speaker 2: You cooper flagged this, year, okay because we made this
2:37:03
Speaker 2: deal With dallas AT.
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Speaker 2: Yeah But i'll make make good on it on the back,
2:37:07
Speaker 2: end and you will get your B yu, guy your local.
2:37:10
Speaker 3: Guy you'll get what you want.
2:37:11
Speaker 4: HERE i.
2:37:12
Speaker 3: See i'm a. Believer.
2:37:13
Speaker 10: Yeah And Bill gates created the. Vaccine let's just get
2:37:16
Speaker 10: Over let's just get it over. WITH i, mean we
2:37:17
Speaker 10: all know that to co opt our thoughts and steal our.
2:37:19
Speaker 10: DATA i, mean, right, which well we're in the space which. One,
2:37:24
Speaker 10: seriously you, Know, LOOK i hope you're, correct because if
2:37:29
Speaker 10: The JAZZ i can't BELIEVE i just said that on the,
2:37:32
Speaker 10: radio if if it's A Joe rogan, podcast all of a,
2:37:35
Speaker 10: sudden if The jazz get one of the top two
2:37:37
Speaker 10: picks in the, DRAFT i, mean, look without this, trade
2:37:39
Speaker 10: if they get one of those two, kids, boom we're.
2:37:41
Speaker 10: Gone if you, can if you can pare one of
2:37:44
Speaker 10: those two and, LOOK i know a lot of people
2:37:46
Speaker 10: Like Cam. Boozer Cam boozer would not fit in with
2:37:51
Speaker 10: this roster the way That darren would or aj. WOULD i,
2:37:54
Speaker 10: mean and in that, scenario you actually have a roster
2:37:58
Speaker 10: that is very similar to a roster that resides In
2:38:02
Speaker 10: Oklahoma city who just won a championship a year. Ago
2:38:05
Speaker 10: they've got seven or eight dudes between six six and
2:38:09
Speaker 10: seven to, two and they all can, dribble pass and,
2:38:11
Speaker 10: shoot they all can make.
2:38:13
Speaker 2: Plays they're switchablond.
2:38:14
Speaker 10: DEFENSE i, mean that's what this front office is looking
2:38:18
Speaker 10: at right. Now and as of the, trade, today they're
2:38:21
Speaker 10: a lot closer.
2:38:22
Speaker 2: Than they have been for the past four. Years you
2:38:24
Speaker 2: heard it here first spence. Check it says that The
2:38:26
Speaker 2: Jared Jackson junior trade makes The Utah jazz into The
2:38:30
Speaker 2: thunder and a championship is coming To.
2:38:32
Speaker 10: Slate, no let me build on that several like six
2:38:35
Speaker 10: or seven. RINGS i, mean this is the start of
2:38:37
Speaker 10: a dynasty In soligate top one not. Two, oh that's
2:38:41
Speaker 10: still the most three cringiest video of all. Time you,
2:38:44
Speaker 10: know let let me let me, know let me let
2:38:46
Speaker 10: me bottom line. Us if they don't win at least five,
2:38:49
Speaker 10: Championships Ryan smith.
2:38:51
Speaker 2: Should sell The. Jets, okay, wow you started. It it's
2:38:58
Speaker 2: a good. Trade it just.
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Speaker 6: Is you're.
2:39:00
Speaker 2: Fan you should be. HAPPY i wasn't expecting, it and
2:39:02
Speaker 2: it's it's a very pleasant. Surprise. ABSOLUTELY i am very
2:39:06
Speaker 2: curious to know What Jaron Jackson junior thinks Of Salt Lake,
2:39:11
Speaker 2: City Jude Salt Lake, City.
2:39:12
Speaker 10: Utah, well because good news is he's lived In memphis
2:39:15
Speaker 10: for the past sixty seven.
2:39:16
Speaker 2: Years that place as a, Whole Salt lake is way
2:39:19
Speaker 2: cooler Than. Memphis was, soay nice of The, Memphis But
2:39:24
Speaker 2: memphis is at one end of a cultural spectrum That
2:39:26
Speaker 2: Salt lake is at the opposite end Of oh it's been, Yes,
2:39:30
Speaker 2: okay it's been a big part of the narrative Against
2:39:33
Speaker 2: utah's success in THE. Nba AND i don't know if
2:39:37
Speaker 2: this applies To Jaron Jackson junior or, not but if
2:39:39
Speaker 2: you love living In, memphis you might not love living
2:39:43
Speaker 2: In Salt Lake.
2:39:43
Speaker 4: City.
2:39:44
Speaker 3: Yeah well that's just.
2:39:45
Speaker 2: For a Com i'm not trying to create negativity around the.
2:39:48
Speaker 2: TRADE i think it's an awesome. One it is a
2:39:50
Speaker 2: curious talking point for.
2:39:52
Speaker 10: Me, SO i, mean he's under contract for five, years
2:39:56
Speaker 10: so if he doesn't like it, here if he wants
2:39:59
Speaker 10: to show up and get, paid he's gonna have to
2:40:00
Speaker 10: play basketball In Salt Lake city for at least four.
2:40:02
Speaker 2: Years the fifth year is of player. Option, look that's.
2:40:04
Speaker 10: Always the, concern and we're we're always stung by this
2:40:07
Speaker 10: because breaking. News it's not just folks from one uh you, know,
2:40:12
Speaker 10: uh you, know one race or one belief. System we
2:40:15
Speaker 10: couldn't keep the white guy who likes to play video
2:40:17
Speaker 10: games at. Night he went To, boston all, Right so
2:40:20
Speaker 10: it's not like Just African americans don't Like Salt. Lake
2:40:24
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2:40:27
Speaker 10: streaming video, games was, LIKE i don't Like Salt, lake
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