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- Lucas: When Satya Nadella took over as Microsoft CEO in February 2014, the company was still hugely profitable but culturally sclerotic. Employees joked that Microsoft was the place where you had to prove you were the smartest person in the room. Luna: I remember that reputation. It was almost a badge of honor internally, right? Like, if you weren't getting into heated arguments over technical details, you weren't trying hard enough. Lucas: Exactly. And that competitive, know-it-all culture had been baked in since the Bill Gates era. But by 2013, it was causing real problems. The company had missed mobile, search, social — basically every major consumer shift after the web. Internal teams were fighting over resources, and innovation had slowed to a crawl. Luna: So Nadella comes in — he's been at Microsoft for over twenty years at that point, so he knows the culture intimately. What was his first big move? Lucas: His first public signal was actually a memo he sent to all employees in July 2014, titled 'Bold Ambition & Our Core.' He didn't talk about products or revenue. He talked about purpose. He said Microsoft's mission was to 'empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more.' That might sound like PR fluff, but it was a deliberate reframing. Luna: Because previously the mission was about software on every desktop — which was inherently a Windows-first, competitive framing. Lucas: Right. The old mission was about Microsoft's dominance. Nadella's was about the customer's achievement. And he backed it up with a specific cultural shift: from 'know-it-all' to 'learn-it-all.' He borrowed that phrase from Carol Dweck's work on growth mindset, and he made it the central theme of his leadership. Luna: That sounds nice in a keynote, but how do you actually change the behavior of a hundred thousand engineers who are used to being the smartest people in the room? Lucas: He did three concrete things in his first eighteen months. First, he reorganized the company from product-centric divisions into functional groups organized around engineering, marketing, and strategy. That was the 'One Microsoft' initiative. It broke down the fiefdoms where Windows, Office, and Azure were essentially competing against each other for talent and budget. Luna: That was huge. I remember the Windows division was essentially its own company within Microsoft. They had their own culture, their own metrics, their own priorities. Lucas: Second, he made empathy a core leadership requirement. He told senior leaders that they needed to understand the unmet and unarticulated needs of customers, not just their technical requirements. He even said that the ability to empathize with customers was more important than technical skill for product managers. Luna: From a guy who came from the engineering side, that was a pretty radical statement. And the third thing? Lucas: He started shipping products that worked on competing platforms. Within a year, Microsoft released Office for iPad, which Steve Ballmer had reportedly blocked for years because it would undermine Windows. Then they released Microsoft Edge, a browser that replaced Internet Explorer. But the biggest symbol was the acquisition of Mojang, the company behind Minecraft, in 2014 for two and a half billion dollars. Luna: Minecraft was already huge on PlayStation and iOS. So Nadella was signaling that Microsoft would own the ecosystem, not the platform. Lucas: Exactly. And he kept Minecraft available on all platforms, including Sony's. That would have been unthinkable under the old culture. So the learn-it-all mindset isn't just a slogan — it's reflected in resource allocation, product decisions, and who gets promoted. Luna: And the results speak for themselves. Microsoft's market cap went from around 300 billion when Nadella took over to over a trillion within a few years. Azure became the second-largest cloud infrastructure provider, and the company started leading in areas like AI and open source. Lucas: I think it's interesting that you mentioned AI, because that's where the learn-it-all culture matters most. AI is moving so fast that no one can pretend to be a know-it-all. If you're not constantly learning, you're obsolete. Nadella basically built a company that could handle that pace. Luna: One thing I've always wondered — did he face internal resistance? I mean, you're telling people who've been rewarded for being combative and certain that they need to be humble and curious. That can't have been easy. Lucas: Oh, absolutely. Several senior executives left in the first few years. The most notable was Stephen Elop, who had been head of Nokia's devices business and was seen as a potential CEO candidate. But Nadella didn't clean house immediately. He gave people a chance to adapt. He also changed the performance review system to include peer feedback and collaboration metrics. Luna: So you had to actually help other teams to get a good rating. Lucas: Right. And he personally modeled the behavior. He started reading books on poetry and neuroscience, which he talked about publicly. He wrote a book himself, 'Hit Refresh,' where he described his own journey from a know-it-all to a learn-it-all. He even admitted mistakes — like the initial Windows 10 update that deleted user files — and used them as teaching moments. Luna: That kind of vulnerability from a CEO is rare. But I think it's also what made the cultural change stick. When the boss is willing to say 'I was wrong' or 'I don't know,' it gives everyone else permission to do the same. Lucas: And that's exactly the point. Nadella understood that in a rapidly changing industry, the biggest risk isn't making mistakes — it's pretending you have all the answers. That's a lesson that applies well beyond Microsoft. Luna: It really does. And honestly, conversations like this one are part of why I love doing this show. We get to dig into how leaders actually think, not just the headlines. Lucas: Same here. And it's because listeners like you support the show that we can keep having these deep dives without ads or sponsors. If you find value in these episodes, you can help keep them coming by buying us a coffee at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Luna: Even a small contribution makes a difference. It lets us focus on the research and prep that goes into each episode. Lucas: So back to Nadella — one of the most telling moments was at a company meeting in 2015. An employee asked him why Microsoft was investing in Linux, which had traditionally been seen as the enemy. Nadella didn't give a political answer. He said, 'Microsoft loves Linux because customers love Linux.' That one sentence captured the entire cultural shift. Luna: It's customer empathy over internal dogma. And that mindset is what allowed Microsoft to become the top contributor to open source on GitHub by 2017. That would have been unthinkable a decade earlier. Lucas: Right. And it's not just about open source. That same customer-first thinking drove the decision to build Azure around hybrid cloud, which let enterprises keep some data on-premises while moving other workloads to the cloud. Amazon's AWS was pure public cloud, but Microsoft listened to what customers actually wanted. Luna: So the learn-it-all culture wasn't just about being humble — it was about being responsive. And that's what made the financial turnaround possible. Lucas: Exactly. Nadella didn't come in with a grand five-year plan. He came in with a mindset and a set of principles. And he trusted that if the culture changed, the strategy would follow. That's the real CEO lesson here. Luna: It's a good reminder that culture isn't just about ping-pong tables and free snacks. It's about how decisions get made, how mistakes get handled, and what behaviors get rewarded. Lucas: And in Microsoft's case, the shift from know-it-all to learn-it-all unlocked billions in value. It's one of the most successful ceo driven transformations in modern business history.