Latest / Journey to the Fringe / Fringey Mini: Tiny People, Big Mushroom Energy
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- 0:00Okay, Chelsea, no pick this time around. I think
- 0:02this is interesting enough. I don't think we're
- 0:04going to get through the whole article, but I'll
- 0:05leave a link for anybody who's curious about
- 0:07this. This comes from the BBC on January 22nd,
- 0:112026, written by Rachel Neuer. Article title,
- 0:15they saw them on their dishes when eating. The
- 0:18mushroom making people hallucinate dozens of
- 0:21tiny humans. Oh, who did they see on their plate?
- 0:25The mushrooms are the little people. They see
- 0:27little people, I think. I don't know. Let's learn
- 0:29together. Only recently described by science,
- 0:32the mysterious mushrooms are found in different
- 0:34parts of the world, but they give people the
- 0:36same exact visions. Every year, doctors at the
- 0:39hospital in the Yunnan province of China brace
- 0:41themselves for an influx of people with an unusual
- 0:44complaint. The patients come in with a strikingly
- 0:47odd symptom, visions of pint -sized elf -like
- 0:50figures marching under doors, crawling up walls,
- 0:53and clinging to furniture. Oh, that's cool. The
- 0:55hospital treats hundreds of these cases every
- 0:57year. All share a common culprit, Lanmaua asiatica,
- 1:01a type of mushroom that forms symbiotic relationships
- 1:04with pine trees in nearby forests and is a local
- 1:07popular food. known for its savory umami -packed
- 1:10flavor. In Yunnan, this mushroom is sold in markets.
- 1:13It appears on restaurant menus and is served
- 1:15at home during peak mushroom season between June
- 1:17and August. One must be careful to cook it thoroughly,
- 1:21though, otherwise hallucinations will set in.
- 1:23Quote, at a mushroom hot pot restaurant there,
- 1:25the server set a timer for 15 minutes and warned
- 1:29us, don't eat it until the timer goes off or
- 1:31you might see little people. End quote, says
- 1:34Colin Domnauer, a doctoral candidate in biology
- 1:37at the University of Utah and the Natural History
- 1:39Museum of Utah, who is studying this mushroom.
- 1:42Quote. It seems like very common knowledge in
- 1:44the culture there, end quote. But outside of
- 1:46Yunnan and a couple of other places, the strange
- 1:49mushroom is largely an enigma. Quote, there are
- 1:52many accounts of the existence of this psychedelic
- 1:54mushroom and many people who looked for it, but
- 1:56they never found the species, end quote, says
- 1:58Giuliani Forci, mycologist and the founder and
- 2:02executive director of the Fungi Foundation, a
- 2:04non -profit group dedicated to discovering, documenting,
- 2:07and conserving fungi. domnauer is on a quest
- 2:10to solve the decades -old mysteries about this
- 2:12fungi species and identify the unknown compound
- 2:14responsible for its unusually similar hallucinations
- 2:17as well as what it can potentially teach us about
- 2:20the human brain domnauer first heard of this
- 2:23mushroom as an undergraduate from his mycology
- 2:26professor quote sounded so bizarre that there
- 2:28could be a mushroom out there causing fairy tale
- 2:30-like visions reported across cultures and time
- 2:33end quote domnauer says quote i was perplexed
- 2:36and driven by curiosity to find out more, end
- 2:39quote. The academic literature provided a few
- 2:41breadcrumbs. In a 1991 paper, two researchers
- 2:44of the Chinese Academy of Sciences described
- 2:46cases of people in Yunnan province who had eaten
- 2:49a certain mushroom and experienced Lilliputian
- 2:52hallucinations. The psychiatric term for the
- 2:55perception of tiny human animals or fantasy figures.
- 2:58It is so named after the small people who inhabit
- 3:00the fictional Lilliput Islands in the novel Gulliver's
- 3:04Travels. The patients saw these figures, quote,
- 3:07moving about everywhere, end quote, the researcher
- 3:10wrote. Usually there were more than 10 tiny beings
- 3:14on the scene, quote. They saw them on their clothes
- 3:16when they were dressing and saw them on their
- 3:17dishes when eating, end quote, the researcher
- 3:19added. The visions, quote, were even more vivid
- 3:22when their eyes were closed, end quote. already
- 3:25in the 60s gordon watson and roger hame the american
- 3:28author and french botanist who brought the existence
- 3:30of psilocybin mushrooms to the attention of the
- 3:32western audiences came across something similar
- 3:35in papua new guinea They were searching for a
- 3:37mushroom that a team of missionaries who visited
- 3:3930 years earlier had said caused the locals to,
- 3:41quote, go insane, end quote, a condition that
- 3:44anthropologists later dubbed mushroom madness.
- 3:47Unbeknownst to them, what they encountered actually
- 3:49sounds strikingly similar to the current reports
- 3:52from China. They collected specimens of the suspected
- 3:54species and sent them back to Albert Hoffman,
- 3:57the Swiss chemist who discovered LSD for testing.
- 4:00but Hoffman failed to identify any molecules
- 4:02of interest. The team concluded that the stories
- 4:05they heard from the field must have been cultural
- 4:07tales rather than having any pharmacological
- 4:09basis, and no further research was done. It was
- 4:13not until 2015 that researchers finally formally
- 4:15described and named L. asiatica, this mushroom,
- 4:18still without much detail about its psychoactive
- 4:21properties. so domnauer's first goal has been
- 4:25to pin down the species true identity in 2023
- 4:27he traveled to unan during the peak summertime
- 4:30mushroom season he surveyed the province's sprawling
- 4:32fungi markets and asked sellers which of these
- 4:34mushrooms make you see little people he purchased
- 4:37the ones that the giggling venters pointed to
- 4:38and then brought the specimens back to the laboratory
- 4:40to sequence their genomes This confirmed the
- 4:43mushroom with identity. He says, in research
- 4:45he is preparing for publication, chemical extracts
- 4:48from the lab specimens produce behavioral changes
- 4:50in mice similar to those reported in humans.
- 4:53After being administered the mushroom, how would
- 4:56they know that the mice are seeing little people?
- 4:58That's true. And do they see them as little to
- 5:02mice or the same size as them? They would be
- 5:05such small. people what would mice see though
- 5:08or would they see tiny mice or would it be little
- 5:11mice how do they know they oh man so many questions
- 5:14yeah after being administered the mushroom extracts
- 5:17the mice experienced a period of hyperactivity
- 5:19followed by a long stupor where the rodents did
- 5:21not move much oh my god domnauer also visited
- 5:26the philippines where he had rumors of a mushroom
- 5:27causing similar symptoms as those from the historical
- 5:30records from china and papua new guinea The specimens
- 5:32he collected there looked slightly different
- 5:34from the Chinese ones. They were smaller and
- 5:37light pink compared to the larger red or Chinese
- 5:39mushrooms, he says. But his genetic testing revealed
- 5:42that they were indeed the same species. That's
- 5:45probably far enough for what we're going to be,
- 5:48the point we're looking at the story for. Yeah,
- 5:50I think this stuff is so interesting. And I know
- 5:55we potentially, it's on our idea list for future
- 5:58episodes, is machine elves. The question of like,
- 6:03does a forest make a sound in the woods if there's
- 6:06no one around to hear it? Like, are there actually
- 6:08little people running around that we can't see
- 6:12without these mushrooms? That's my question.
- 6:16They may scientifically prove that it's not,
- 6:18but that's my question that I have. Is it just
- 6:22opening your brain up to be able to see these?
- 6:24And do I need to be worried about the little
- 6:27people that are currently running around where
- 6:30I'm recording? Yeah. Well, they don't seem to
- 6:32do anything, even if you can see them. My question
- 6:35would be kind of on the opposite end of it is,
- 6:37is there a like historical mushroom or fungi
- 6:40that existed in, let's say the, the, uk way back
- 6:46in the day where the fairy stories come from
- 6:48exactly and it very well could and that doesn't
- 6:51mean that they don't exist in my head because
- 6:55this might just be opening a realm where we see
- 6:59that they're you know holding reality together
- 7:01is what i'd like to think of it it might be it
- 7:05also might just be that it's opening up a part
- 7:07of your brain that um is generally not like connected
- 7:11to your eyes so you're actually seeing hallucinations
- 7:14of very specific things that open up like i don't
- 7:16know maybe something in your head where it only
- 7:19stores like ideas of little people for some reason
- 7:22that was my other point it's so strange that
- 7:24it specifically makes everybody hallucinate the
- 7:28same thing and i guess you can tie it in with
- 7:30um the machine elves as well and the mantis beings
- 7:35a lot of people witness mantis beings when they're
- 7:38like um on a mind altering hallucinatory. It's
- 7:42weird how like a lot of drugs have very specific
- 7:45hallucinations attached to them. super weird
- 7:49which is also pretty intriguing and i know that
- 7:53there is someone that did the electric kool -aid
- 7:56acid test i think is what it was i've never read
- 7:59it it's always been on my list i wonder if they
- 8:02look at something anyhow this is more something
- 8:04for the future episode we may get to eventually
- 8:07i'd hope to yeah it's so interesting but you
- 8:10guys got 48 hours do drugs and see what you hallucinate
- 8:12and tell us yeah do it but don't tell anybody
- 8:15we told you to do that yeah If they ask, you
- 8:18came up with that idea yourself. Exactly. Don't
- 8:20tell anyone. Anyhow, bye. Bye.