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1/29/26: ICE Draws Down In MN, FBI Raids Fulton County Elections · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So, as you guys know, Greg Bovino is
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  Speaker 2: out of Minneapolis and Tom Homan has been brought in.
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  Speaker 2: He has met with the governor and the mayor and
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  Speaker 2: other stakeholders on the ground, and this morning he gave
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  Speaker 2: a press conference in which he said a number of
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  Speaker 2: rather interesting things. Let's go ahead and take a listen
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  Speaker 2: to a bit of that.
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  Speaker 4: I had a very good meeting Turner General General Alison,
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  Speaker 4: and he has clarify for me at Keunty Jails may
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  Speaker 4: notify Ice of the release dates of criminal public speak
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  Speaker 4: customers upon the release, and let me tell you what that's.
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  Speaker 4: I know people are a lot of concerned, but the
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  Speaker 4: man power has been saying in law enforcement man power
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  Speaker 4: looks many times before I've spent give us access to
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  Speaker 4: the illegal and public and the safety and security of
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  Speaker 4: the kre It's common sense. It's safer for the community,
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  Speaker 4: it's safer for the agents, and they're safer for the aim.
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  Speaker 4: Does anything happen to it just makes common sense. And
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  Speaker 4: to the people that argue that we're welcoming, we want
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  Speaker 4: victims and witnesses of crime that are here illegally to
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  Speaker 4: feel safe to come the police without fear to work
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  Speaker 4: with ice. We're not going to talk to the victim
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  Speaker 4: witness the crime. There's no problem there. They should feel
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  Speaker 4: safe to come to police and ask for help. All
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  Speaker 4: we want is talk to the person that local and
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  Speaker 4: state law enforcement authorities a lot in the jail set.
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  Speaker 4: They chose the locked this personnel. That's where we want
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  Speaker 4: to talk to the public. So that argument is that
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  Speaker 4: the victim, what is the crime? Thanks crap.
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  Speaker 2: So a couple of noteworthy things there. He's saying he's
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  Speaker 2: going to get more cooperation from local officials in terms
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  Speaker 2: of you know, uh, the public safety threats who were
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  Speaker 2: held in local jails being able to be given directly
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  Speaker 2: to ICE and then you know, presumably deported.
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  Speaker 5: And the other thing he.
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  Speaker 2: Says there, Sager is you know, he really portrays it. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: we don't want to of course, we wouldn't do anything
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  Speaker 2: with the victims of crimes. Meanwhile, we see of course
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  Speaker 2: them doing these like street sweeps, and that the vast
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  Speaker 2: majority of the people they are picking up our you know,
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  Speaker 2: people who don't have criminal records, so very dissonant from
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  Speaker 2: what the reality has been of their approach on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Let me play one more part and i'll get your
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  Speaker 2: reaction to this as well, where he indicates that as
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  Speaker 2: a result of what he's framing as increased coordination with
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  Speaker 2: local officials, increased cooperation with local officials, that they are
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  Speaker 2: going to do a quote unquote draw down. Let's listen
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  Speaker 2: to that.
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  Speaker 4: This is common sense cooperation that allows to draw down
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  Speaker 4: and the number of people we have here, Yes, I
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  Speaker 4: said it drawled down a number of people here because
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  Speaker 4: we have the efficiency and safety of the jails in
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  Speaker 4: a prison that's huge.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there have been thousands of federal agents which
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  Speaker 2: have been sent to Minneapolis, you know, the Minneapolis region,
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  Speaker 2: and these are not huge cities there by the way,
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  Speaker 2: And to put things in perspective, the local police force,
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  Speaker 2: I think is only six hundred people, and so you've
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  Speaker 2: had thousands more federal agents then you have local police.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see what the numbers are, we'll see what the
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  Speaker 2: tactics are all of that, but at least you know
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  Speaker 2: in this moment they want to step back from the brink,
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  Speaker 2: and we can get into, you know, why they may
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  Speaker 2: be taking that tactic at this moment.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there were a couple other comments because it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of difficult. This was all breaking while we were doing
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  Speaker 3: the show. But let me explain here. He says, quote,
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  Speaker 3: I am not here because of the federal government has
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  Speaker 3: carried out its mission out perfectly. I do not want
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  Speaker 3: to hear everything has been done here has been perfect.
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  Speaker 3: The direct shot right there at Greg Bavino, who specifically
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  Speaker 3: had said that every single thing that they had done
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  Speaker 3: had been expert, had been lawful. Same thing at Stephen Miller.
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  Speaker 3: Another big one that he said is I'm not here
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  Speaker 3: for headlines and for photo shoots. So that is a
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  Speaker 3: huge shot across the bow at Christy Nome obviously, who
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  Speaker 3: many of you probably have seen on your television screen
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  Speaker 3: after spending a quarter billion dollars on an advertising campaign
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  Speaker 3: for DHS and for herself. So I think this is
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  Speaker 3: a highly noteworthy thing. And as you said, it had
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  Speaker 3: to thread the needle this press conference and taking it
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  Speaker 3: all in, it had to thread the needle of being
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  Speaker 3: look immigrations on stopping.
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  Speaker 1: But we're here to cooperate.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we somewhat disagree with Minnesota, but he said draw
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  Speaker 3: down at the end of the day. And if you
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  Speaker 3: read between the lines basically and all of this, this
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  Speaker 3: is effectively, you know, a rhetorical surrender now from the
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  Speaker 3: Trump administration, because not only has he been put into
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  Speaker 3: place Greg Bavino, who's basically been booted and demoted from
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  Speaker 3: his job, Kirsty Gnome not appearing to have authority over
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  Speaker 3: these missions. He's saying that he is another thing that
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  Speaker 3: has not taken as much notice as he continues to
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  Speaker 3: emphasize targeted. Now, let's be clear, Ice has always claimed
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  Speaker 3: that these are targeted operations, but he's been very specific
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  Speaker 3: saying we're going to be targeting specifically criminals, people you know,
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  Speaker 3: As I said, it's kind of hard to parse because
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  Speaker 3: they've always said that and it does remain to be
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  Speaker 3: seen whether it is true or not. However, if it
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  Speaker 3: were to be put into practice, it would mark a
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  Speaker 3: change in their strategy. I do think we should also know,
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  Speaker 3: since Alex Prettes has has killed, we have not seen
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  Speaker 3: a lot of viral videos that have been coming out
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  Speaker 3: of the state of Minnesota or the city of Minneapolis.
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  Speaker 3: There have been not nearly the same level generally since
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  Speaker 3: Homan has been put into charge. There was a memo
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  Speaker 3: that has been circulating internally apparently where they talk specifically
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  Speaker 3: about the change in targeting. Again, difficult to say because
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  Speaker 3: that kind of contradicts a previous memo. There's also so
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  Speaker 3: much information warfare happening. Bevino is very clearly leaking behind
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  Speaker 3: the scenes to all of his you know, influencer friends,
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  Speaker 3: you know, who are trying to criticize Tom Homan. Don't forget,
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  Speaker 3: Lewandowski has the phone number for every reporter in Washington
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  Speaker 3: and or many of these were, so it's not like
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  Speaker 3: he is in counter leaking. And there's quite a bit
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  Speaker 3: of you know, internal warfare that is happening, and that
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  Speaker 3: I just want to state that because it makes it
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  Speaker 3: very difficult to parse what's happening so far. Seems like
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  Speaker 3: Homan is in charge and his general direction is the
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  Speaker 3: one where things are going to go. As always with
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  Speaker 3: things Trump, it could all change literally at any moment.
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  Speaker 2: Trump needed an escapegoat, and I think, you know, for now,
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  Speaker 2: Bovino in particular, and to a lesser extent, Christ you
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  Speaker 2: knowhim and Corey Lewandowski are serving that role. Like I
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  Speaker 2: want everybody to understand who Tom Holman is if they
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  Speaker 2: don't already. I mean, he was one of the architects
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  Speaker 2: of the family separation policy in the first Trump term,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, this is not someone who is soft
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to mass deportation whatsoever. The way I
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  Speaker 2: would look at this, and I think we can put
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  Speaker 2: the Susan Collins piece up on the screen as well,
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  Speaker 2: because I think that this dovetails with this what I
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  Speaker 2: would describe as a tactical retreat in Minneapolis. Susan Collins
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  Speaker 2: is also saying that they have indicated they are ending
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  Speaker 2: the increased operations in Maine.
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  Speaker 5: You know they This makes sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: Again, We'll see what actually happens here, and if that
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  Speaker 2: is accurate, But it does make sense to me in
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  Speaker 2: a sense from a political perspective. Why because they want
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  Speaker 2: Susan Collins to be able to hold on to that seat.
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  Speaker 2: She is the most endangered incumbent in the entire Senate,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's frankly, very unlikely that she is
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  Speaker 2: able to hold onto that seat. But if they go
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  Speaker 2: in guns blazing and have a Minneapolis style occupation of
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  Speaker 2: the state of Maine, you can kiss that Senate seat goodbye.
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  Speaker 2: It is not happening. So I think there was a
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  Speaker 2: you know, political decision that was made there. I was
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  Speaker 2: showing you the I shared the DMS the map of
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  Speaker 2: where the most aggressive like on the street roundups were occurring,
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  Speaker 2: and it's very clear a partisan divide here, like blue
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  Speaker 2: states are being hit, Red states are not.
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  Speaker 5: Actually Christy Noam's own state.
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  Speaker 2: Of South Dakota has been like completely ignored in the
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  Speaker 2: immigration enforcement action. So if you're an Iowa farmer or
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  Speaker 2: a meat packing plant that is, you know that employs
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of undocumented immigrants, you probably have had faced
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  Speaker 2: a lot of immigration enforcement action. Because, as I've been
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  Speaker 2: making the case, yes this is about immigration, it's also
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  Speaker 2: about using this juiced up, massively funded ice army effectively
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  Speaker 2: to go after your political opponents. So it is being
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  Speaker 2: wielded as a political weapon, which is why it makes
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  Speaker 2: sense that you may have this retreat, genuine retreat in Maine.
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  Speaker 2: The other piece here sager that I think you know
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  Speaker 2: you actually flagged. I was a little bit skeptical of,
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  Speaker 2: but I've now been completely persuaded of is you have
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  Speaker 2: Right now, Democrats have a little bit of leverage with
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  Speaker 2: regard to funding. Trump does not want the funding for
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  Speaker 2: his like pratorian guard here to be taken away. So
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  Speaker 2: he is in a precarious position right now where the
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  Speaker 2: politics of this have been horrendous for him, where even
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  Speaker 2: you have a number of Republicans, it's like twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: percent of Republicans that think alex Party was effectively murdered
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  Speaker 2: in the street for no reason. So it's a political
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  Speaker 2: optical disaster, and coming at a moment when Democrats actually
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  Speaker 2: have a little bit of leverage where they could cut
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  Speaker 2: the funding at least back to you know what the
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  Speaker 2: levels were prior to the one big beautiful bill that
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  Speaker 2: surged the funding by some sixty six percent.
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  Speaker 5: So we can put the New York Times.
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  Speaker 2: Tearsheet up on the screen that had some of the
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  Speaker 2: details here, and I'm just going to read a bit
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  Speaker 2: from this because I think it is significant. So Trump
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  Speaker 2: and Schumer met moved on Wednesday night toward a possible
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  Speaker 2: agreement to negotiate new restrictions on federal immigration agents, potentially
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  Speaker 2: averting a government shutdown early Saturday, when funding for multiple
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  Speaker 2: federal agencies is slated to laps. Under the emerging plan,
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  Speaker 2: according to two officials knowledgeable about it, the Senate would
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  Speaker 2: split off legislation funding DHS from a six bill package
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  Speaker 2: of spending measures. The Senate would pass those bills before
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  Speaker 2: a Friday midnight deadline, and Congress would also consider a
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  Speaker 2: short term extension for homeland security operations, which would prevent
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  Speaker 2: an interruption of services. Then that stopgap bill would give
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  Speaker 2: time for talks between lawmakers and the White House to
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  Speaker 2: draft a new homeland security spending bill that would include
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  Speaker 2: new restrictions Democrats have demanded on the tactics of immigration
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  Speaker 2: enforcement officers and more accountability for those accused of using
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  Speaker 2: excessive force. So the TLDR here is that they would
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  Speaker 2: split the bills apart.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, the other bills.
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  Speaker 2: Funding bills would pass a continuing resolution for DHS stop
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  Speaker 2: gap like a temporary one would also pass, and then
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  Speaker 2: Democrats and Republicans would negotiate, not on funding levels, but
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  Speaker 2: on things like they can't wear masks anymore, or they
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  Speaker 2: have to wear body cameras, or we're going to have
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  Speaker 2: and these are specifics. I'm not making these up. These
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  Speaker 2: are some of the specifics that have been floated. Or
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  Speaker 2: you know that there's got to be some sort of
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  Speaker 2: a process that plays out when you have ICE agents
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  Speaker 2: or CBP who are shooting people. Again, those things don't
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  Speaker 2: touch the funding, and the funding is the most critical
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  Speaker 2: thing because listen, there's already all sorts of laws and
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  Speaker 2: guidelines and regulations around the way that these guys are
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  Speaker 2: supposed to operate that they just completely flout. So those
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  Speaker 2: things in a sense are relatively minor or unenforceable, but
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  Speaker 2: they allow Democrats to claim like, oh my god, we
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  Speaker 2: did something, we stood up to Trump, and allows Trump
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  Speaker 2: to keep the size of his immigration enforcement budget, which
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  Speaker 2: he is using not only for immigration enforcement but as
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  Speaker 2: a tool and a weapon against political opposition.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we've seen also though we shouldn't forget DHS and
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  Speaker 3: ICE has all the funding that they need from the
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  Speaker 3: one big beautiful bill. So you couldn't actually really hold
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  Speaker 3: up all of the ice funding. You could, however, just
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  Speaker 3: inflict pain on general DHS and you can use it
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  Speaker 3: as leverage to try and to get some of these concessions.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, rolling back
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  Speaker 3: ice funding is just not going to happen. You don't
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  Speaker 3: have control over it. You're going to have to win
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  Speaker 3: control of a Chamber of Congress in order to actually
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  Speaker 3: try and get.
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  Speaker 1: Any of that done.
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  Speaker 3: You could, you know, actually hold it up and ignite
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  Speaker 3: a massive government shutdown, which is kind of why I
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  Speaker 3: find this. I mean, I would see this as more
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  Speaker 3: of a retreat from the Democrats because an immediate cr
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  Speaker 3: gives six weeks to the administration. I mean, anything can
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  Speaker 3: happen in six weeks. To put it in context, it
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  Speaker 3: hasn't even been six weeks since we kidnap a durea.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like a million mile you know, a million
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  Speaker 3: years ago, but it hasn't even been That's what six
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  Speaker 3: weeks is in our current modern times. We don't know
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  Speaker 3: yet whether they're going to agree to it or not.
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  Speaker 3: They could enforce some sort you know, only we were
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  Speaker 3: talking about mass about some of the other protocol and
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't poop poo it just as much, Crystal, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, this can all be used if it is
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  Speaker 3: forced into law, and if let's say that Democrats do
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  Speaker 3: come into power in the House, at the very least
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  Speaker 3: you can use that as an investigatory tool and a
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  Speaker 3: method in the future and the potential like either future prosecution, violation,
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  Speaker 3: you know, investigation, oversight, et cetera. At the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, you do not have control overall chambers, and
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  Speaker 3: you're not completely in power. You're not going to get,
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  Speaker 3: you know, even remotely all of what you want. But
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  Speaker 3: they are extracting at this current moment some culture. Now
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  Speaker 3: we don't know yet you know what those things are
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  Speaker 3: going to look like. But in the broader context of
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  Speaker 3: Homan and of the way that the administration has now
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  Speaker 3: clearly operate, they're operating in a way where it is
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  Speaker 3: full retreat. So you've already seen, you know, for example,
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  Speaker 3: of the Stephen Miller Chirsty Nomes stuff that you guys
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  Speaker 3: covered yesterday, where Christy Nooman was like, hey, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: listening to Stephen Miller. You saw Trump throw Bavino completely
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  Speaker 3: under the bus. He's like, he's a good guy, but
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  Speaker 3: in this one instance, you know, basically called him a
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  Speaker 3: screw up or something, saying he's been demoted.
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  Speaker 1: Now you've got Tom Homan who is here, and.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly like all sides are looking for some sort of
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  Speaker 3: off ramp from Minnesota officials, Tom Homan and others. And
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  Speaker 3: so this was I think a major turning point. We
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  Speaker 3: just don't know whether it's going to last and what
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  Speaker 3: that will look like. And then also how the opposition
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  Speaker 3: is going to respond with this cr you know, continuing resolution. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: With the Senate Democrats, I don't know, you know, because
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  Speaker 3: remember they've got their.
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  Speaker 1: Own base too.
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  Speaker 3: If they actually don't, I mean, I think six weeks
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  Speaker 3: would be a political disaster for them. They're gonna be like, really,
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  Speaker 3: you just continue to fund it for six months, You've
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  Speaker 3: got nothing from it. So they have got to get
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  Speaker 3: something as a result of this. And the fact that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, even if it is a partial government shutdown,
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  Speaker 3: which was looking likely but no longer looks as likely
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  Speaker 3: with the potential continuing continuing resolution, I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the Democratic base would be furious with them, and
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  Speaker 3: they have to think about that too, And whether you know,
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  Speaker 3: which of these democratic lawmakers are going to go along
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  Speaker 3: if they don't see any sort of pathway to get something.
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  Speaker 3: Because one theory right now is that Trump is being
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  Speaker 3: conciliatory only because he wants he doesn't want the government
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  Speaker 3: to shut down. He just doesn't want to have to
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  Speaker 3: deal with that. Yeah, that's and so the moment you
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  Speaker 3: pass a six week continuing resolution, you lose a ton
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  Speaker 3: of leverage. I mean, there could be an Iran war
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  Speaker 3: that breaks out, you know, in the in the interim.
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  Speaker 3: It could, so the entire nation's politics would be different
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  Speaker 3: six weeks from now, and then what will the argument be, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: we have to fund the government because we have a
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  Speaker 3: war that's happening right now. Right that's literally, I mean
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  Speaker 3: you could see that happening very clearly. So anyway, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I do think it's I do think it's interesting. I've
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  Speaker 3: never seen them back down like this before ever in
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  Speaker 3: the second administration, not even close.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think it has.
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  Speaker 3: Caused a serious reshaping of the White House's kind of
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  Speaker 3: theory of immigration enforcement. The only question is about lasting
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  Speaker 3: and about what that will look like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's I mean, in my view, it is
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  Speaker 2: a total taco from the dums to your point or doco.
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  Speaker 5: Dems always check it out.
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  Speaker 2: It's a total doco from the dums who are always
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  Speaker 2: looking for I mean, the Schumer led dums are always
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  Speaker 2: looking for a way to cave right, and so I
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  Speaker 2: think they have found their way. And I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a partial taco from Trump because I am very skeptical
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  Speaker 2: that this is anything more than a tactical retreat that
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  Speaker 2: we won't see, you know, another occupation of a city
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: that pisses him off for whatever reason, that we will
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: see a shift in tactics, because I think this is
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: very central to the way that they the way that
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: they operate. And you know, Steven Miller is still going
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: to be in there. He's not going anywhere, and this
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: is ultimately this is his baby, you know. I also
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I see the nature of not just Ice, but specifically
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: iceed a bit differently than you do. Like I, yes,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: immigration is the pretext, but the people who have been
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: battling in the streets in Minneapolis largely not immigrants versus
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: ICE agents. It's largely and this will actually transition us
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: to the new video with regard to Alex Pretty it's
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: largely like white liberals and you know, rural conservative ICE agents.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: You know, it is this sort of like low grade
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: ideological skirmish, and it has been deployed intentionally in that way.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, going to Minneapolis. Just if your actual concern
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: is immigration, going to Minneapolis makes zero sense because there's
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: a proportionally very low number of undocumented immigrants there. You know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: there's a large Somali community, the vast majority of them
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: are American citizens. This is not a hotbed of undocumented
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: immigration at all. There are many other places that you
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: would target before you targeted Minneapolis. But in Minneapolis, you
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: have a governor that is hated, you have a mayor
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: that is hated. You have this whole Somali fraud thing
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: which they make a lot of political hay out of.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: You have the legacy of the.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: George Floyd and the Black Lives Matter protests that put
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: paints a target on Minneapolis's back. So that's why I
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: see ICE much more the way it is wielded as
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: a force against political opposition than it is even centrally
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: about immigration.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Well, it can be partially true, I think, I think
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I think all of these are partially true. Two hundred
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: and fifty thousand people who have been deported. That is
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the vast, vast more in one year than the entire
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Biden administration actually deported, not fake like Obama and Biden
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: in terms of turning people over. So you can't say
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: that it hasn't been deporting people. They obviously have been.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: And yes, I mean, oh, I'm not saying I'm not
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: saying that there's not a reality of mass I.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's important because people are like, oh,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: well they're not even It's like, no, that's literally bullshit,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: like that is there actually are like a large amount
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: of deportations that are.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Happening now to the way that it has been enforced.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if someone asked somebody, I think you
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: asked me on the show, You're like, why are they
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: in Minneapolis?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because's anike surely video. I'm not gonna say.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: That it's all purely because of proportionality or of I'm sorry,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: not in terms of proportionality in terms of the illegal population.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: A lot of this is about shockunaw tactic. It's specifically
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: about sanctuary cities too, and I do think that's one
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: part that Democrats don't want to talk about, is that
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: sanctuary cities are literally a magnet not only for illegal migration,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: but do create these types of situations where there's a
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: lot of lack of cooperation from the cities, the jails, prisons,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: et cetera. And in terms of sharing that information with
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: like Minneapolis, for example, actually had more of an extreme
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: way of cooperation with ICE than even the state of California,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: just to put it into perspective. So it's not like
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: it also wasn't an outlier. Now, let's be clear that
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: certainly was part of a campaign to trying to pressure
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: the state or the city of Minneapolis into changing their.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Policy, which by the way, is illegal currently under federal law.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm being very clear and like trying to spread
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the needle about yes, there's a sanctuary seri of reality,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: there's also about pressure. There's also actual deportation, which is happening.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: And so that's why, I mean, you know, there is
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: no like full defense really of a lot of their conduct.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: A lot of this really was you know, yes, a
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: lot of it is about political retribution.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's necessarily deniable. I don't.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I would say Trump has taken it to
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: an extreme. I don't think it's exactly like completely out
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: the realm of possibility for how a lot of politics
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: has operated. However, by being so extreme and turning this
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: into this clash, this is why I think that he
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: has lost and the Republicans have lost a lot of
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: the messaging around immigration because and let's say clear, it's
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: a reality problem, but they had high rhetorical ground on
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: immigration and unmastered deportation.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I think that's undeniable.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: The way that they have created and you know, chaos
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: and other in the cities, they have started to make
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: it so that people are like, well, hold on, I
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: was upset about chaos and immigration, illegal immigration specifically, but
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: it looks like you guys are the ones who are
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: currently out of control. That's what's caused a lot of
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: the discourse, and especially in the wake of Renee Good
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: And it's really after Alex Preddy, which I think again
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I think is a genuine turning point I think for
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: the Trump administration. So looking forward, the question for them
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: is how can you possibly get back to where you are?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: This would require a significant change not only in ice behavior,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: but really it kind of gets to what you're talking
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: about where you were talking about Iowa you know, Iowa
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: and some of these red states.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the truth.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: A lot of these people, you know, the Iowa met packers,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: a lot of them are Republican donors. They're super rich,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: and that's always been the big tension in the Republican Party.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Capital or class right, And part of the issue right
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: now is that we are not doing you know, Florida
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: very competently had mandatory everify and they didn't have to
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: do literally any of this.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And guess you know, you.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Maybe bitchin and moaned about it and saying, oh, but
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: people are not showing enough to the job sites, but there.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Weren't crazy ass videos in the streets.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: And buy and large, the pushback was not all that
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: politically like horrible for Ron DeSantis.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: That is a very simple way.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: We could also immediately tax remittances, which would effectively nuke
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: the entire illegal migrant you know, sending money back home
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: through the illegitimate banking system. That similarly would invite mass
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: self deportit. Again, you can cry about that because if
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: you think that they should be here, but that is
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: a very simple way going after employers using the irs.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: For example, if people are not reporting any of this stuff, properly.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: All of that actually would be a far more effective
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: way to systemically do And I said it would also
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: ignore a lot of the civil liberties concerns now that
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: are undeniable, you know, around all this. So maybe this
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: is a good way transition to the new video that
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: we have about Alex pretty some what is it eleven
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: days prior to him being killed?
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Do we want to go ahead and play it?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go ahead and queue that up. And this
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: is footage it was before you put it on the screen.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Just to clear things up. I'm forgetting the name of
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the news outlet that recorded this, but it was initially
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: shared that this came from the BBC. It did not
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: come from the BBC, but VBC Verify did verify I.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Alex Party's family has now confirmed that this is Alex
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Party in a confrontation with iSER CBP agents in Minneapolis,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: eleven days before his shooting. So let's go ahead and
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: put this up on the screen, and I can narrate
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: this a little. So you see him in the jacket,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I mean you can really Hell, this is obviously wearing
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: like the same type of outfit. He spits at them,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: he yells at them and then he kicks out their
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: tail light. They then come and jump out of this
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: vehicle and you know, accost him. They actually don't arrest him,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: They just you know, have this fight with him. We
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: had known before that he had had his ribs broken
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: by ice, and presumably, you know, we don't know for sure,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: presumably this is the interaction that led to his ribs
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: being broken. Here, So before I offer my thoughts, Soccer,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: what were your thoughts on this video?
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean there's so much to say, because really
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: what has come out is people are like, see, this
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: is why I deserve to get shot. And you know,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I have talked previously about how this is kind of
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: a Waco moment for me, and it kind of reminds
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: me similarly. They're like, oh, David Korash he was a
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: pedophile and he was and I go, yeah, yeah, that's true. Okay,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: yeah it was bad guy. Okay, No one's saying that.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Did that mean you should burn women and children alive
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: in this in the compound at Waco?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Answer is no? And so that puts really really frustrating
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: And I'm not defending Alex Bridge. Frankly, I think he
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: looks unhinged in that he genuinely looked completely unhinged, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: he did commit a crime, specifically whenever he knocked out
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: the tail light. That does not merit execution. In fact,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: by the way, you know, for all of this enforcement
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: of LOS stuff, why did they not arrest him? You know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: it's like this is where we talk about, you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: law and order and all of that. We did just
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: in we just saw this mass arrest of people who
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: were protesters interfering with HSI or with IYES. He should
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: clearly have been arrested after this incident where he's spitting. Look,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: put the spitting in all that shit, even though I
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: think that's I forget the case law kicking tail light
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: like it's open and shut, you know, right in terms
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: of attackinger law.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, yeah, it's it's done right.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Like if you or I did that to any police,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: think you're going to jail, and instead they just like
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: came out kind of like roughed him up and then.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Ran away, right, And it's like, guys.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: That's also not the right way, right, So you see
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: like two sides of behavior here, which are unhinged and
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: out of control. If you'd been arrested hopefully this never
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: would have happened. So actually, there you go in terms
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: of law and order. But second, this doesn't mean he
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: deserved to get shot and killed. This again just like
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Ruby Ridge, right, they're oh, Randy, well, actually did you
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: know he was a white supreme which by the way,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: was kind of a lie, but you know, they're like, oh,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: he was actually a white supremacist. I'm like, look, the core.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Question is should you shoot the guy's wife and dog? Period?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: End of story? Was David Koresha bad dude? Yes? Did
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that mean that we.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Should burnen these people alive and then cover up the
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: entire story? That's what I find really frustrating about it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: So okay, sure, yes, the what legal observer? You know, look,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I mean it's not a secret. I kind of saw
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: this with Renee Good too. Yes, some of these people
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: are troublemakers. It's not deniable. I don't even think that
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: the people on the street there would deny it like
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: blown like they want the chaos. And that's why I'm
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: not gonna completely absolve everybody of that out there. But
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: that doesn't really make any difference when you see the video,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: and that's another gun thing you could make the argument
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: that what he did there was ten times worse than
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: what he did in the In the actual video of
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: the shooting, he had the gun visible, well, not just
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: the assault crystal. He had the gun visibly in his waistband.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: By the way, it doesn't look holstered properly, So it
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: leave carrying and violating the creedive concealed carry. You do
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: not seek violent confrontation while you are carrying a firearm
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: openly and clearly making it and violating the law.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Like that is.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: If that had been the precipitating event in which he
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: had gotten shot there, I mean, it would be a
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: very different story. Again, not saying it should have been,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: but I'm saying it would have been a totally totally
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: different story. So that video only puts it in the
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: context of and I guess rarely what the Ride is
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: objecting to is people saying he was a peaceful protester
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: or whatever. It's like, okay, ye, yeah, I mean I'm
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: not not yes, he I think he clearly was a
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: violent agitator. Like I think that's pretty obvious that one video.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: It still does not change that when he got shot
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: in the circumstances, again of a man's death in that instance.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: If anything, maybe you could say he learned from his
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: behavior because he was acting very differently, you know, at
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: least I think whenever whenever he was in the video.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: So anyway, that's not like my broad based thoughts. I'm
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: sure people will get upset because I said it a
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: violent agitator. I literally don't think it's deniable. I have
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: warned ad nauseum about liberal protest norms and about how
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: why they think they can seemingly just do whatever they want.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: That's a good example of how.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: You shouldn't be acting and is clearly going to diminish
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: your cause in the long run. But I'm also not
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: going to sit here and say, yeah, fuck hen we
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: deserve to die, because just like I said with Waco
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: or with Ruby Ridge, it does not like the character
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: precipitating the like trampling of Second Amendment rights, and death
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: in this clearly unjustified shooting is actually immaterial to how
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: you feel about not only the use of force in
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: the specific act in which Alex was killed, but also
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: in the administration reaction afterwards, because remember, they did not
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: know any of this prior to that right, so they
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: did not have any of this video calling him domestic
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: terrorists or saying he wanted to mask her.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: They literally had no idea, they just said it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: And this is part of why, Like in a normal time,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: he said, oh, we're gonna have an investigation, these agents
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: are going to be put on leave, and then you
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: could put together this whole thing. If they'd done that,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: they'd be in ten times better ground. But that's not
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: what they did. Instead, you had Trump out yesterday and like, oh,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I'm really upset that he had a gun.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: You know you can't do that.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: So Trump, by the way, re posted a post on
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I guess it was on true social that called him
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: a domestic terrorist again by the way, so he's back
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to that language. But no, I mean, your core point
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: is correct that a video of him doing something eleven
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: days prior has literally nothing to do with the legal
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: analysis of whether it was appropriate for them to execute
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: him in the street. Zero to do with that right now.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: The reason why I think this video has become important
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: to a lot of the psyche of the right is like,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: let's be honest, they've been since he was killed. They've
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: been looking for some way to say this was a
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: bad guy, and he basically had it coming, and so
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: this gives them that ability to do that. In the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: same way that the video of Renee Good and her wife,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: where her wife is, you know, yelling at the agent
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: who ends up killing Renee Good, that served a similar purpose.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: It didn't provide them with any more sort of like
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: legal justification, but it did mark Renee Good as one
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: of them as especially with you know, her wife being
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the sort of like butch lesbian. It's like, Okay, this
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: is one of the bad guys. So now we don't
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: have to feel bad about this at all, I think,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and I think.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I think it's because she was screaming and yelling and look,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, let's not like they're causing trouble. That's what
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: they wanted to do.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: But that is But again, that's part of what I'm
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: saying here, is because because that doesn't have anything to
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: do with what her wife is doing, doesn't have anything
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: to do with Rene Good, but it marks them as
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: like they're they're on the other side, and so we
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: don't have to care. They deserved it, like they got
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: what they deserved. And so I think that is the
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: real significance of this video. There's one other thing that
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I think could be significant about this video is we
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: know and you talk to Glad about this, and Ken
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Clippenstein has done good reporting on this. We know that
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: all of these activists are being entered into a variety
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: of databases. In fact, Ken has a new piece ound
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: about he got how to whistleblower send him, you know,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: a bunch of information about all of the different lists
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: that are being compiled. And so these activists are being tracked.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: So it does make me wonder. You know, it's not
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: definitive here, but it actually does make me wonder, since
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: he had had this prior hostile interaction with these agents,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: if he wasn't tracked and in a sense targeted, and
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: that that's part of why they came in so hot
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: when all he was doing in you know, when he
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: was murdered was just recording and then he's trying to
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: help this woman and nevertheless they're pepper spraying, they attack him,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: they've got eight agents on him in et cetera. I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: think that's a reasonable question to ask based on the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: fact that we know that he had these you know
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: this at least this one prior interaction with them.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Look, it's definitely possible.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, and this is what people can hate
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: me for saying it, but like this is this is
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: the where you're going to give credence to the idea
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: of keeping database. Like if you were out there attacking,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: spitting and kicking and acting like a lunatic out in public,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, you're not going to have a lot of sympathy.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Even said you know what the agent did in that situation,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: what you're supposed to You're not supposed.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: To get out.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to get out, you know, you got your
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: buddies there, arrest him, right, There is a legal process
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: for handling this that doesn't involve now I'm going to
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: kick the shit out of you and break your ribs
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: and then you know, enter you in as a domestic
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: terrorist for kicking out my headlight and then possibly we
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: don't know this part, but possibly target you later on.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Like that is not remotely how any of this is
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: supposed to operate.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: As said as.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: You could be about his actions in that.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Moment, I agree, and I'm not just I'm talking about
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Like again, this is why, much to the chagrin, I
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: talk about liberal protest norms, because this shit is way
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: to normalized and people are acting real fast and loose,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: and we all know that if this had come out
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: to be like, oh, well, you know, he was just upset,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: you know at the time, like, no, you cannot be
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: acting like a lunatic in public, destroying property, period, end
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: of story. Like that is this is why I freaked
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: out about the whole don Lemon thing. I mean, you
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: guys violate the social contract. Yeah, and then yeah, look.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Well people can people can go back and watch our debate,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: which I really don't want to rehash.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I will not say.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: For me, I think that law enforcement quote unquote professionals
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: should be held to a higher standard for de escalation
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: and professionalism than random citizens.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I agree with you, we just didn't excuse random citizens.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Random citizens shouldn't be acting like this, by the way,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: who are also being massively funded and now supported.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: And I do think that a large lot of the progression.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Wa what do you mean by that?
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Well, look at.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Barack Obama just tweet out this whole link about how
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: to support financially a lot of the protesters that are
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: in Minneapolis. I'm not even saying it's illegal, Like, can
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: we be clear, It's fine. It's a free country. You
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: can donate to an NGO or whatever who's supporting the protests,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: do what you want, like, come on, let's be on it.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Like the ICE database and all that just happened completely
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: out of nowhere, like somebody's paying for it. I'm not
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: saying it's domestic terrorism.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Let me clear. I'm not saying that. I just anything.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Really clear because there's a lot of conspiracy theories and
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: cash Matel's. FBI is investigating now this signal chat group,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: which you know, I mean, there's nothing again illegal about
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: signal chats. Yes, protests are organized, like, yes, there is coordination.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: That's that doesn't mean they're inorganic. It doesn't mean it's
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: like I didn't So yeah, I'm just I know you're
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: not saying. I just want to be clear because there's
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of conspiracies that this is some sort of
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: like inorganic I don't know, George Soros so whatever funded thing.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: These are Minneapolis residents who are very upset. Are there
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: NGOs room? Is there a systematic you know, coordination through
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: these signals groups of whatever. Yeah, of course that's the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: way like effective organizing actually works.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: I take your point again, I'm not saying that this
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: is some you know, I've always believed, by the way
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: in January sixth case, in all of these cases that
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't think anybody's being paid by BLM
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: dot com to go out and to riot. That said,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: you know, there were clearly NGOs and all these other
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: people who were involved. So things can be organic and
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: they can also be supported. And I do think that
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: people go way too far, both right and left. Everyone
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: always remember they said, oh, the tea party thing was
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: totally fake.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: No it wasn't.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Yes you may pay for buses, that doesn't mean
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: you can fill the buses. That's generally how this is
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: always operated. People are always screaming back and forward each
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: other about organic or inorganic. If tens of thousands of
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: people feel something, yes, there will also be organizations to
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: support that. So let me be And I've always held
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: that position. Now whenever it comes back to alex and
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: the reaction of this video, I remember now what I
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: was going to say. I do think this is part
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: of the issue. A lot of the progressive left press.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I'll call out SATAO for one, they were you know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: they put it out as if this was some sympathetic
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: incident before they had the information and this video it
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: makes them look bad like.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: They were like, oh, he got his rib broken because
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: he was.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: It's like, no, guys, he started it, like very clearly
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: he was started it, he initiated it, he continued it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: It looks bad for him.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: And that's why I think people and by the way,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: including the border patrol agents case, just snap coming out
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: and clearly saying like, oh did absolutely nothing wrong and
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: is a hero, is going to create the space to
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: make you look like an idiot. Like in this particular case,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Alex clearly was violent. He clearly was very upset. I
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: do not think that it means he deserved to die.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I do think that it's going to pierce a lot
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: of people's you know, you know the oh ICU nurse
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: and all. It's like, well, you know, acting like this
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: in public is a serious red flag, like end of story.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Period.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, you have a right to be upset, you have
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: a right to peacefully protest, but your behavior as a
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: gun owner in that situation was out of control, completely
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: contrary to the norms, and in that particular case, like
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: or not just norms even in the law of the
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: way that you were conducting yourself while doing that that
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: was very, very out of bounds.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: However, they didn't handle it properly.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: And that's why I'm not going to sit here and
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: defend the ICE agents or any of those people. But
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: this is why, you know, general chaos, violence and actual
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: law and order is good. He should have been arrested.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: If he had been, hopefully this never would have happened.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: And instead, you know, I guess they just beat the
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: shit out of him and walked away and then it
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: leads to this horrible incident on later. So TLDR. This
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: is why law and order actually saves lives. And yes,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: also no absolution whatsoever of the law enforcement officers here
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: who also handled clearly the situation poorly. I saw some
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: people blaming Minnesota. I don't see any reason why the
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Feds can't arrest him. I mean, they've arrested plenty of
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: people in the state. Well, a lot of people were
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: saying the Minnesteta so state officials or city officials should
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: have arrested him as a result of the handles should
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: have helped after that incident, and they were like, see,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: this is why you know, the police officers not doing anything.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, the feds have arrested plenty of protesters,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: and clearly he was liable to be arrested, and so
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: acting in the way that they did and just letting
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: this slide it was the wrong thing to do all around.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they could also in that instance, since the ice
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: officers or CPP or whatever like beat the.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Shit out of him, maybe they should have been arrested too.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: But I mean, the reality is Minneapolis has many fewer
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: police officers. They are wildly overwhelmed. This is something that
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the local police chief has talked about. And so you know,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, if he kicks in a headlight like
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: it would be, I would not object to him being
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: arrested and that you be, Okay, you broke the law.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: There we go.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: But you know, I think for myself, and I know
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: you're not equitting these two things like kicking in a
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: headlight versus executing someone in the street for zero reason,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: are not, you know, not on the same level. And
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I know you're not saying that they are, but just
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: to put that out there.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Right, And the major right wing grievance is basically that
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: you know, oh, they turned him into Saint George, you know,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Saint George Floyd. And then this look, this is unfortunate.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: It always happens, is that, you know, the victim is
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: always somebody who's never did anything wrong and they're actually
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: like rosy heroes and everything, and that's just not humanity period.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: But that is why I don't really care.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Like we know, we've talked about the Ashley Babbit shooting
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, do I do? I think
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: it was right to like break in No, but you know,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: and a lot of people stood by like, oh, she
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: got what she deserved when you look at the case
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: pretty clearly, like it wasn't necessary use of force. A
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: lot of right wingers understood that, you know, on January sixth,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: and by the way, that one was way more you know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: in the realm of understanding. I think, then let's say
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: what happened here with Alex So I try to keep
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: generally like I try to keep a general principal view
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: of this and to look at it.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: And that's why for me, it is still a Waco moment.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: As in, in the moment, there's no dec about who
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: did something wrong, and then the government who lied about it,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: and then period trying to trample on the Second Amendment
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: right that we all have for me, that is the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: bigger story, and I will still acknowledge like with Waco,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: what you know, David and his own behavior of the
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: branch Davidians. But ultimately, sometimes that is a bit of
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: a cop out used by the people who defend that
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: behavior because they're like, well, he was such a bad guy,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: he deserved.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: To be killed. And that's where I'm just like, no,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that's just not true, period, that's right.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: January sixth.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: January six is a good example, not only because of
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Ashley bat It, but I mean you had people who
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: genuinely assaulted Capitol police officers who were pardoned and you know,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: treated like they were political prisoners by the right because
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: they were part of a movement that they support. So
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you know, zero consistency even on just like the basic
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: like law and order, respect authority, obey authority mantra that
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: preparing a lot.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not helpful, is it.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: And you know that's another good case where they you
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: know what didn't they threw the books at him a
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: lot of times. Extraordinary, the biggest FBI you know, investigation
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: and all of that in history. I think it was
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: way too far the way that that it all went down.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, you're right pardoning people, you know
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: who attack police, and then in this case we'll go,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: oh fuck, it's like, all right, well we need to
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: have some level of consistency here, folks. It actually does matter.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: And that's why, you know, in general, looking at this,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I think the border or whoever the agents were in
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: that situation acted very stupidly. They should have just arrested him.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I think Alex acted terribly in that situation. It doesn't
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: really change how I feel about the shooting, period, but
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I do think this will be kind of a rhetorical
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: propaganda win, I think for a lot of right wingers,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: because for them, what they get most annoyed about, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I can sympathize with this not an Alex situation, but
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: more broadly is at any time there's a left shooting
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: costs celeb they're a hero, they've done absolutely nothing wrong,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: and that's just usually not the case in a lot
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: of the in the way the humans are, like, if
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: you look at anybody, there's generally going to be like
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: a you know, yeah, look where colors.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Nobody is perfect, for sure perfect.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: In this instance, it was actually looking like this guy
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: was you know, pretty pretty close to a model citizen va,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I see you nurse, like all the testimony coming out
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: from people and so, like I said, I mean, they
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: were searching high and low for anything that could mar
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: his reputation, and they got that with this.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: You know, that's that's our fault, okay, and not to
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: smirch the dead. Shouldn't act shouldn't be acting like this
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: in public, all right, period. And I hope people look
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: at this as a you know, as a lesson, because
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: if this video didn't exist, you'd be on a lot
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: you know, better footing. And in general, if you're going
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: to put yourself in these type of situations, again, as
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: a gun owner, you have a much higher responsibility to
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: act responsibly. And he did not meet that bar whatsoever
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: in this video. But again that did not have any
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: bearing on the video in which he was killed, where he.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Actually didn't know what happens eleven days later, has nothing
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: to do unless he was targeted for that previous interaction.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And that's a question that should be explored at some point,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: it should be incuted. Are Yeah, let's let's get to
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: the other side of the equation. What the government is doing,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: which has you know, vastly more power than any of
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: these individuals. One thing they did decide to place the
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: agents involved on leave. And I say agents, And this
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: is something we talked about before. It wasn't just one
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: guy who shot Alex pretty it was two. And you
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: have you know, not only do you have the initial
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: shots fired after you know, it seems like someone yell,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: someone yelled, he's got a gun. He's got a gun,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: he's disarmed before any shots are fired. Then after he
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: is lying motionless on the ground, they continue to pump
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: bullets into his likely you know, dying body. Uh. And
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: so in any case, both of those agents have now
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: been placed on administrative leave. Now the administration is saying like, oh,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: that's standard protocol. Well, it should be standard protocol, But
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: as far as we know, it hasn't happened in any
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: of the other many ICE shootings, not just the one
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: that we you know, the Renee Good one that got
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: so much attention, but in the Miramar Martinez one that
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: didn't happen either. That is, that is standard protocol for
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: like your average cop, even if it was a totally
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: in self defense, totally justified, clear cut case, you're still
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: put on leave. But it took an extraordinary amount of
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: pressure for that to happen here in any case, that
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: is what they're saying at this point.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I read that as part of the whole
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: tactical retreat around DHS, around funding potentially you know, significant
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: and important. So yeah, see, okay, guys, turning now to
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: the FBI, We're going to go and put these images
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: up here on the screen you can see FBI agents
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: at the Fulton County Elections office removing some ballots. But
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: what was really stunning was actually the appearance of the
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: DNI Tulsi Gabbard, who was spotted here by a photographer
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: surreptitiously on the phone. All of this being set up
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: in the context of Trump's claims that the election in
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty was stolen in some of the pressure on
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: the state of Georgia to release their voter rolls and
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: other information. So as you can all see, that Telsey
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Gabbert story really is the most important part of all
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: of this.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: This administration has even sort of toyed with about now
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: that they've got Maduro and they believe these like stupid
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Venezuela election conspiracies, that maybe he's going to cut a
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: deal with them to say whatever it is they want
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: him to say about this twenty twenty election rigging. And
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: now that they have these ballots and they're out of
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: the hands of the local authorities, which again Georgia is
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: a you know, still has a Republican governor by the way,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: but in any case, now it's on in the hands
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: of those authorities, they can say whatever they want about
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: what these ballots actually contain. Like the truth is no
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: barrier for them, we know that whatsoever.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the search warrant has not been publicly released like
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: all of like the pretext for it, they say the
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: action is a court authorized law enforcement action and the
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: warrant seeking records tied to the twenty twenty election. I mean,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: what is crazy. The Tulsi thing is the element which
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: should make everyone say, what the fuck, because, as you
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: just said, this is the ODE and I. It is
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: highly unusual for an OD and I official ever to
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: be involved in a law enforcement operation like this one.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: We will recall, Well, I think there's some personality stuff
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: that should be explained here too. Tulsia's out on the
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: alex Crystal. You and I know that she was marginalized
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: in the Venezuela operation where she basically wasn't even told reportedly,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: they said, DN, I is, do not inform something like that, right, right?
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Do not invite you know, to any of the meetings
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: around that. She spearheaded that whole Obama Gate thing that
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: they said was a conspiracy which went absolutely nowhere Iran
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: is currently happening. Allegedly she had spoken about against that
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: behind the scenes. Not again, I can't one hundred percent
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: confirm that, but that's kind of what I've been told. Well,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: this is a good way to get into the President's
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: graces is to be the spearhead of whatever this is.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: And you're right, I mean it could be some part
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: of Venezuela operation. But more importantly, I think what people
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: should really understand is that this was not just an
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: FBI operation, but reportedly the head agent who would be
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: in charge of this was actually relieved of duties last
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: week prior to this major operation. And I mean in Georgia,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: by the way, they're taking this very seriously. I saw
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: the Senator oss Off speak out against us, like you said,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: they have a Republican governor. Remember that many of the
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: targeted officials from Stop to Steal not only one reelection,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: they survived primaries whenever they were specifically like David Purdue
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: and I'm forgetting who challenged Brad Raffinsberger. Yeah, both of
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: them survived. Brian Kemp and Rafisberger all survived electoral challenges.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: So they're going to have strong state guidelines to sit on.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: It's I mean, I had heard one theory that this
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: could be potentially also about the Remember the Fannie Willis
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: prosecution investigation. They've been salivating trying to go after Fanny
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Willis after her failed prosecutorial attempts back on while the
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Biden administration was in power. And of course she had
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: her own scandal with you know, the way that that
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: entire thing went down. But yeah, I mean, just right now,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: we don't really.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Know a whole lot.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: We just know that they seized you know, like ballot
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: records here, and the fear from Georgia Democrats and Georgia
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: officials is obviously this isn't about twenty twenty, but it's
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: going to be about twenty twenty six, and specifically the
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: midterm elections in a highly contested battleground state, which.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Is a legitimate fear. I mean, if we're being honest
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  Speaker 1: and looking at all.
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  Speaker 2: This right yes, of course, and not just in Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: Look what they do is they test the limits. They
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  Speaker 2: constantly put what can we get away with? What can
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  Speaker 2: we get away with? What can we get away with?
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  Speaker 2: Can we routinely fle out court orders to the tune
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  Speaker 2: of hundreds of thousands that actually thousands of times? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: we can apparently get away with that. So we're going
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  Speaker 2: to keep doing it. Can we interfere in this state
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  Speaker 2: electoral system and get a judge to sign off on it?
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  Speaker 2: And you know, as you were mentioning, the agent in
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  Speaker 2: charge of the Atlanta field office was removed last week.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't think it takes a rocket scientist
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  Speaker 2: to put two and two together and figure out whoever
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  Speaker 2: that was was not too keen on this operation, And
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  Speaker 2: so they just push them out of the way. Can
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  Speaker 2: you get away with that? They're pushing the boundaries of
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  Speaker 2: what they can do. You know, we have to connect
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  Speaker 2: it back to Minnesota as well, because one of the
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  Speaker 2: things Pambondi put this in a letter to the state.
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  Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, we'll leave if you turn over
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  Speaker 2: your voter roles and the state to their car were like, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're not doing that, and that actually significantly hurt the
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  Speaker 2: government's case in court too, because it very much clearly
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  Speaker 2: looks like they're trying to bully and coerce Minnesota into
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  Speaker 2: doing things Minnesota you know, does not have to do
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  Speaker 2: and does not want to do. So in any case,
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  Speaker 2: that made it pretty plain that part of what the
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  Speaker 2: goal was of the operation in Minnesota was enabled to
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  Speaker 2: grab these voter roles. They're pushing every state in the
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  Speaker 2: country to send them these voter roles.
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  Speaker 5: You know, some of.
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  Speaker 2: The very first executive orders that were signed, if we
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: go back, you know, this long year ago to the
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: beginning of the Trump administration, had to do with quote
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  Speaker 2: unquote what they call election integrity, which is an effort
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  Speaker 2: to you know, to change who are is on the
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  Speaker 2: roles and help to try to control these results. The
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  Speaker 2: other thing that's scary to me, I put it together
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: with the massive influx of funding to ICE, which has
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: been deployed as this like political weapon. So do you
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  Speaker 2: think it's crazy to imagine that they could also use
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: those same forces are very loyal, especially in the new
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: recruits to Trump and to Steven Miller to intimidate people
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: or Trump has actually said now that he regrets not
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: having the National Guard and put E seven up on
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  Speaker 2: the screen. He regrets not having the National Guard seize
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  Speaker 2: the ballot boxes back in twenty twenty, but he said
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: that he was worried maybe they wouldn't have been up
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  Speaker 2: to it. Well maybe now with he feels like he's
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  Speaker 2: got the force that would be up to it.
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  Speaker 5: This all sounds.
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  Speaker 2: Insane, and I feel insane saying it, but we already
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  Speaker 2: saw this man try to steal one election and this
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  Speaker 2: thing with Tulci Gabbard involved and going back in and
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  Speaker 2: seizing the ballots from twenty twenty for god knows what reason,
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  Speaker 2: and the theories about Madura and whatever like, these are
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  Speaker 2: things that all really happened. So even though they sound insane,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: you have to look at where things could be going.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: He knows he's not popular, right, he knows the midterms.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: He even says outright that typically the person in power
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: like they end up losing ground. He knows it is
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: very likely that they're going to lose the House, if
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: not the Senate. And so if he feels like politically
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: he can't control that outcome by changing people's opinions, well,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: what levers is he going to reach for? And so
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  Speaker 2: I do see this as like a shot across the
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  Speaker 2: bow for twenty twenty six. Yeah.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Look, I wish I could say that it's crazy, but
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: when and I could, I would even say it was
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: less crazy. But the Tulsi being involved is like whoa
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: man like I really don't think people understand how extraordinary
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: that is, because, like you said, that could potentially, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: who knows, you know, some foreign interference thing. Don't forget
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: this is cash Ptel's FBI, who is the one in
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  Speaker 3: charge of this entire investigation. And I mean, I guess
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: my only saving grace is eventually this shit will have
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: to come out in court and we will actually see
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  Speaker 3: what it is that the so called pretext you know
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: for this was from what I was reading I have
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: it here is that they said ballot images produced by
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  Speaker 3: scan ballots, all voter rolls, tabulator tapes. The warrant signed
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: was sought as an investigation into possible violation of federal
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: law against destruction of a later election related record, another
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  Speaker 3: statue that makes it a crime to knowingly procure fraudulent
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: voter registration or fraudulent votes. That is, as of it
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  Speaker 3: stands right now, what it is these would actually have
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: to be proven in court, don't forget. We have that
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: Rudy Giuliani thing. Yeah, okay, six, and we put that
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: up there on the screen. At one point, some of
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: this was litigated in court and Rudy Giuliani had to
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: pay one hundred and forty eight million dollars of defamation
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  Speaker 3: against two election workers that he had accused previously of
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: tampering with the presidential vote in Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: This was was this a state case? I forget? No least?
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, So anyway, so just reminder that some of
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: this at the very least has been litigated previously, but
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: with Trump in charge, who knows. I'll tell you this,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: We're going to pay attention to it because it definitely
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: that's going an important story, very important.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And just to remind people related to the Giuliani thing,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: the big conspiracies were I mean, you had the ten
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: thousand mules or whatever, you had that whole Dinesh to
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  Speaker 2: Susan conspiracy, but specifically in Fulton County, they had this
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: whole conspiracy about like suitcases of ballots being brought in
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: and that was the center of a lot of the conspiracies. Again,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: the Trump administration pursued a bunch of these claims in courts,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: not just this Rudy Giuliani thing where he was found
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  Speaker 2: guilty of defaming these ladies, these election workers.
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  Speaker 5: But a bunch.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, he made so many claims in court. They
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: were all thrown out. Right there there is no there there.
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  Speaker 2: If there was any there there would they would have
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: found it, they would have shown it. Even you know,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Trump in the run ups of the election, when he
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: was on with Rogan, Rogan asked him about and he
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: was like, well, there's a book you should check out.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, he couldn't explain it.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: And he still talks about that. He's like really, He's like,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: he came here and he made you still didn't have anything.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, So, I mean we know there's no there,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: there there, But that doesn't mean. Look, these people will
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: destroy They're in court now arguing they're allowed to destroy
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: evidence in the killing of Alex Preddy. Like, we can't
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: put anything past them in terms of destroying ballots, changing ballots,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: what they present. I mean, it's just I don't know,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: it's uh, it's very disturbing. It's crazy to me that
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: a judge signed off on this, But you also have
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: all of these like Trump sick ephant judges who've been
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: put in place and gotten their positions on the bench
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: solely because of their loyalty to Trump. So maybe it
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: was one of those people who signed off on it.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: We don't actually know at this point.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know either. I was just looking a little
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: bit into her background. Nope, I don't have anything I
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: can confirm as of right now. We'll stay on the story. Okay,
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: sorry everybody that it went late. It is what it is,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: breaking news in the middle of the show. Sorry, And
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: of course we're at home. We're hoping to be back
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: in the studio next week if possible, if the snow
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: in the ice melts even ammodicum. Unfortunately, the entire DMV
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: remains a complete shit show as a result of our
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: local government. So we apologize for the week, but we
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: hope to see you all next week, and of course
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: there'll be a good Friday show for all you all tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: See you then,