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Jane Loevinger's Ego Development Theory Explained! · Deep Thoughts

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  Speaker 2: Let's dive into this ego development.
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  Speaker 3: You know what's really interesting about ego development with that
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  Speaker 3: it's not just about your personality, goes way deeper than that.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about how we build our own reality, like
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  Speaker 3: how we control our impulses, our relationships, even how we
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  Speaker 3: see ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: So it's kind of like we all have our own
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  Speaker 2: lens that we use to see the world. Like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: thinking someone at an early stage would see things totally
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  Speaker 2: different from someone who's further along.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think, Oh, yeah, totally. It's like each
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  Speaker 3: stage is a different filter. We use it to understand things,
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  Speaker 3: make decisions, figure out what success mean. And the thing is,
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  Speaker 3: it's not like some stages are better than others. Each
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  Speaker 3: one has its own good stuff and its own problems.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's break down this journey of like expanding
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  Speaker 2: our awareness. Lovinger had these nine stages, starting with the
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  Speaker 2: pre social.
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  Speaker 3: Take sure a baby, yeah right, totally focused on what
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  Speaker 3: they need right now, survival, comfort, basic connection. That's it.
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  Speaker 3: There's not even really an ego yet, just pure instinct.
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  Speaker 2: And then bang, they start asserting themselves and it's the
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  Speaker 2: impulsive stage. Makes me think of the Terrible twos. They
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  Speaker 2: want what they want right now.
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  Speaker 3: Totally egocentric and any kind of discipline forget it they
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  Speaker 3: see is being held back. But you know, it's also
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  Speaker 3: when they start getting a handle on themselves, like the
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  Speaker 3: first bits of self control popping up, and as they
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  Speaker 3: figure out how the world works, they move on to
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  Speaker 3: the self protective stage.
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  Speaker 2: So now it's all about staying out of trouble, following
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  Speaker 2: the rules so they don't get punished. Right, Still pretty
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  Speaker 2: self centered, but they're starting to get consequences exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Learning self control is seeing that their actions actually do something.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's huge, But they don't really see the
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  Speaker 3: difference between different kinds of rules yet or why the
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  Speaker 3: rules exist in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: And then it gets really interesting. Right, we hit the
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  Speaker 2: conformist stage. Fitting in with the group is everything. Social
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  Speaker 2: approval is like gold Man Middle School all over again.
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  Speaker 3: Right, you got to fit in. You don't want the
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  Speaker 3: odd one out. Think about how strong group think is
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  Speaker 3: at that age. They might not even think about questioning
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  Speaker 3: authority or going against what everyone else is doing, even
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  Speaker 3: if it doesn't feel right to them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even as adults, that urge to conform can
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  Speaker 2: be really strong, whether we realize it or not.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. But some people they start to break way from
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  Speaker 3: needing everyone to like them all the time. And that's
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  Speaker 3: when you get to the self aware stage.
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  Speaker 2: So things are shifting internally now, like the first signs
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  Speaker 2: of looking inward, questioning what society says is right, and
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  Speaker 2: noticing when our actions don't match up with what we
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  Speaker 2: believe exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And this stage often comes with being more interested in relationships,
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  Speaker 3: like really connecting with people. As their sense of self
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  Speaker 3: gets stronger, they can handle those deeper connections.
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  Speaker 2: And then we've got the conscientious stage, which seems to
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  Speaker 2: be what everyone's aiming for, at least in the West.
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  Speaker 2: It's all about having those internal rules, responsibility, and achievements.
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  Speaker 3: Think about it, our school systems, climbing the ladder at work,
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  Speaker 3: even political campaigns. It's all about individual success and being accountable.
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  Speaker 3: That's what's important at this stage. But you are those
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  Speaker 3: values really showing the whole picture of human development makes
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  Speaker 3: you think, huh.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, someone at this stage could be killing it
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  Speaker 2: in those systems, but maybe they haven't quite grasped how
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  Speaker 2: different everyone is, how complex and experience.
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  Speaker 3: Really is exactly. That shift usually happens at the individualistic stage,
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  Speaker 3: where people start to appreciate personal growth and being true
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  Speaker 3: to themselves.
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  Speaker 2: So now it's about understanding that those social structures have
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  Speaker 2: limits and expressing yourself is key to a good life.
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  Speaker 3: You got it. They start to see morality as less
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  Speaker 3: about hard and fast rules and more about understanding the situation,
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  Speaker 3: the context. That's where you see more tolerance for things
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  Speaker 3: being unclear, a willingness to challenge the way things are.
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  Speaker 2: I bet someone at this stage would be a really
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  Speaker 2: great leader, especially with all the crazy stuff we're dealing
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  Speaker 2: with these days. They can handle different points of view
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  Speaker 2: and deal with uncertainty way better.
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  Speaker 3: People at this stage they have that flexibility and open
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  Speaker 3: mindedness that you need to lead well in this fast
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  Speaker 3: changing world. They don't get stuck on dogma or groupthink,
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  Speaker 3: so they make decisions that are more independent and insightful.
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  Speaker 2: This is all so fascinating, Okay, So what's next? After
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  Speaker 2: the individualistic stage?
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  Speaker 3: That brings us to the autonomous stage? And this is
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  Speaker 3: where or self acceptance comes in, along with the deep
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  Speaker 3: understanding of how interconnected everything.
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  Speaker 2: Is, so instead of trying to control everything themselves, they
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  Speaker 2: realize that life is all about connection.
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  Speaker 3: Right on, They move past that rigid thinking and embrace
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  Speaker 3: the complexity. They can see things from different sides without
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  Speaker 3: feeling threatened, and they're totally comfortable with ambiguity. They thrive
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  Speaker 3: where others might feel totally lost.
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  Speaker 2: Seems like that stage takes a big internal shift, and
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  Speaker 2: from what I've read, it's not all that common, right
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 3: And the next one the integrated stage that's even less common.
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  Speaker 3: This stage is all about wisdom, deep empathy, and a
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  Speaker 3: sense of peace that comes from facing your inner struggles
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  Speaker 3: and accepting your place in the universe.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds almost like a myth, you know, like the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate goal of human growth and transformation.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't it. But there are people out there who embody
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  Speaker 3: these qualities, showing us what's possible for all of us.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's that possible tenth stage.
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  Speaker 3: Flowing, oh yeah, flowing, merging with the world, letting go
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  Speaker 3: of judgment, just going with the flow of experience. It's
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  Speaker 3: a wild concept or really challenges how we understand the
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  Speaker 3: ego itself.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, we've come a long way from basic needs to
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  Speaker 2: transcending the ego. But how does all this play out
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  Speaker 2: in real life?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's where the research on ego integrity and older
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  Speaker 3: adults gets really interesting. We can see how these stages
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  Speaker 3: connect to finding peace and fulfillment as we get older.
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  Speaker 2: You mean that study that looked at Ericson's stages of
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  Speaker 2: psychosocial development. What do they find out?
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  Speaker 3: They found that generativity in adulthood, that's when people focus
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  Speaker 3: on taking care of the next generation, was the biggest
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  Speaker 3: predictor of feeling peaceful and fulfilled later in life. So
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  Speaker 3: it seems like contributing to something bigger than yourself might
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  Speaker 3: be a key part of aging.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it makes me wonder about the choices we're making
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  Speaker 2: now and what they mean in the long run. Are
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  Speaker 2: we setting ourselves up for the future with everything we do,
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  Speaker 2: every interaction? Pretty thought provoking, huh?
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  Speaker 3: It is, And it shows how powerful it is to
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  Speaker 3: understand these stages. We start to see how our experience
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  Speaker 3: is now are shaping our well being in the future.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm starting to see how this framework could be
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  Speaker 2: a real game changer in so many areas of life.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it definitely can be. And it's not just about
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  Speaker 3: personal growth. It's relevant to leadership, how organizations work, even
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  Speaker 3: how society progresses.
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  Speaker 2: We've just scratched the surface here. There's so much more
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  Speaker 2: to explore.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely, But let's take a pause here, let you process
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  Speaker 3: all this. We'll be back to explore even more about
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  Speaker 3: this fascinating world of ego development.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I've had some time to think.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: What really strikes me is how much our stage of
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  Speaker 2: development affects everything we do. You know, our relationships, how
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  Speaker 2: we make decisions. It's like a whole new way of
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  Speaker 2: understanding people.
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  Speaker 3: It really can be eye opening. But before we go on,
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  Speaker 3: there are a couple of things to keep in mind
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  Speaker 3: to some nuances about these stages. First, they're not set
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  Speaker 3: in stone. People can shift between them depending on the situation,
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  Speaker 3: and it's not always a straight line from one to
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  Speaker 3: the next.
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  Speaker 2: So like someone could be super conscientious at work, but
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  Speaker 2: then in their personal life they're more individual exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And the second thing is it's not a race to
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  Speaker 3: the top to get to the highest stage as fast
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  Speaker 3: as you can. Each stage has its own strengths and challenges.
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  Speaker 3: It's the journey that matters, not just the endpoint.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. It's easy to fall into
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  Speaker 2: judging ourselves or other people based on this framework.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and we want to avoid that. This is about understanding,
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  Speaker 3: not judging.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so we've talked about the first eight stages from
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  Speaker 2: pre social integrated, but what about those trans personal stages,
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  Speaker 2: the ones that go beyond the individual self. They sound
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  Speaker 2: pretty mind blowing.
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  Speaker 3: They are pretty mind blowing. That's where things get really interesting,
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  Speaker 3: especially for people who are fascinated by human potential and consciousness.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, Let's start with the construct aware stage. That's
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  Speaker 2: where people start questioning reality itself, right, like what is
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  Speaker 2: real exactly?
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  Speaker 3: They start to see that their sense of self, their beliefs,
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  Speaker 3: even how they perceive the world are all just constructs,
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  Speaker 3: like creations of the mind.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like deconstructing their whole reality. That must be
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  Speaker 2: really profound, maybe even a little scary.
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  Speaker 3: It can be both. It often comes with a lot
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  Speaker 3: of existential questions and that could be unsettling, but it's
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  Speaker 3: also incredibly freeing. They're not bound by the limits of
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  Speaker 3: their old worldview anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And that opens up all sorts of new possibilities for
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  Speaker 2: understanding themselves and.
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  Speaker 3: The world exactly. They start to see how interconnected everything is,
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  Speaker 3: and their sense of self expands to include something much
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  Speaker 3: bigger than just their individual identity.
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  Speaker 2: Now the unitive stage. This is the peak of Kok
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  Speaker 2: Greater's model, and as we said, it's super rare. What
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  Speaker 2: does it even look like to get to that level
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  Speaker 2: of development? What makes a unit of ego different?
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  Speaker 3: Well, people at this stage experience a deep sense of
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  Speaker 3: oneness with everything they see, past the illusions of separation
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  Speaker 3: and duality, and they live from a place of deep compassion,
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  Speaker 3: and interconnectedness.
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  Speaker 2: I can only imagine the impacts someone at that stage
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  Speaker 2: could have on the world.
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  Speaker 3: They can be very influential, but their impact might not
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  Speaker 3: be in traditionally leadership roles or hierarchies. Their influence comes
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  Speaker 3: from who they are, from embodying wisdom and compassion.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not just about understanding it intellectually. It's a
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  Speaker 2: fundamental change in consciousness.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, and it's not something you can force or achieve
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  Speaker 3: through willpower. It's about surrender and grace, allowing yourself to
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  Speaker 3: be transformed by something bigger than yourself.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about how ego development affects decision making and leadership,
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  Speaker 2: but what about other parts of life, like how does
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  Speaker 2: it influence our relationships.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great question. Think about romantic relationships. Someone at
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  Speaker 3: the conformist stage might be all about fitting in with
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  Speaker 3: their partners, friends, and family, following those traditional relationship.
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  Speaker 2: Rules, and someone at the individualistic stage might focus on
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  Speaker 2: their own growth and self expression within the relationship, maybe
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  Speaker 2: even challenging those norms.
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  Speaker 3: Right and at the autonomous stage, you might see them
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  Speaker 3: focusing on supporting each other's individual journeys, really understanding each
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  Speaker 3: other's needs and being willing to embrace the complexity of
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  Speaker 3: being together for the long haul.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, amazing how much these stages can shape how our
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  Speaker 2: relationship works.
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  Speaker 3: It is, and this goes beyond romantic relationships too. These
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  Speaker 3: stages affect how we connect with family, friends, colleagues, even ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: So someone at a higher stage of development might have
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  Speaker 2: more fulfilling relationships because they're more self aware, more empathetic,
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  Speaker 2: and they can see past their own ego.
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  Speaker 3: That's definitely possible. Remember, higher stages are linked to greater compassion, understanding,
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  Speaker 3: and forgiveness. Those are powerful qualities to bring to any relationship.
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  Speaker 2: This is all starting to click, But how do we
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  Speaker 2: know what stage we're at? Is there some kind of
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  Speaker 2: test we can take?
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  Speaker 3: There are assessments out there, Yeah, but honestly, the most
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  Speaker 3: important tool is self awareness. Pay attention to your own
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  Speaker 3: patterns of thinking, feeling, and behaving. Notice how you react
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  Speaker 3: in different situations, what motivates you, and how you interact
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  Speaker 3: with others.
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  Speaker 2: So instead of trying to label ourselves, it's more about
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  Speaker 2: just observing where we're at and how we're showing up in.
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  Speaker 3: The world exactly, and that awareness can be really powerful.
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  Speaker 3: It lets us make conscious choices about how we want
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  Speaker 3: to grow and evolve.
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  Speaker 2: So instead of getting hung up on what stage we're at,
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  Speaker 2: we can focus on developing the qualities we admire and
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  Speaker 2: people who seem further along, like empathy, compassion, and wisdom.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's about embracing the journey of growth and becoming
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  Speaker 3: the best version of ourselves, whatever that looks like for
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  Speaker 3: each person.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great message, takes the pressure off, reminds us
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  Speaker 2: this is a lifelong process, not a race.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, and it's a journey full of challenges and triumphs,
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  Speaker 3: setbacks and breakthroughs, but it's definitely worth taking.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm feeling inspired. What else can you tell us
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  Speaker 2: about the bigger picture of ego development? Does it have
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  Speaker 2: anything to do with creativity or problem solving?
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  Speaker 3: Those are great questions, and it turns out ego development
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  Speaker 3: has a huge impact on pretty much every aspect of
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  Speaker 3: human experience. So think about creativity. Say you've got someone
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  Speaker 3: at the conformist stage. They might stick to the traditional
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  Speaker 3: ways of doing things, follow all the rules and conventions
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  Speaker 3: in whatever creative field there are. But someone at the
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  Speaker 3: individualistic stage they might be more likely to break those rules.
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  Speaker 3: Explore ideas that are outside the box, maybe even challenge
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  Speaker 3: what people think of as creative in the first play.
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  Speaker 3: As we move through the stages, you might see a
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  Speaker 3: shift from seeing creativity as just expressing yourself to something bigger,
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  Speaker 3: like tapping into a universal flow of inspiration, connecting with
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  Speaker 3: something beyond yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's pretty deep. So how does this work with
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  Speaker 2: problem solving.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's say you've got someone at the self protective stage.
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  Speaker 3: They might approach problems in a selfish way, focused on
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  Speaker 3: protecting themselves and getting the most they can.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: But someone at the conscientious stage might be more systematic,
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  Speaker 3: focused on the goal, using logic and analysis to find
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  Speaker 3: the most efficient solution.
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  Speaker 2: Right, so they have a plan.
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  Speaker 3: And then as they move into the individualistic stage, problem
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  Speaker 3: solving might involve thinking about everyone's point of view, trying
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  Speaker 3: to find solutions that work for everyone, not just themselves.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not just any solution, it's the best solution
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  Speaker 2: for everyone involved exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And when they get to the autonomous stage, you might
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  Speaker 3: even see them being okay with not being in control,
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  Speaker 3: embracing uncertainty, trusting that the best solution will come from
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  Speaker 3: the collective wisdom of the group. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So basically, as we grow and develop, our way of
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  Speaker 2: solving problems changes too. It becomes more complex, more well rounded,
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  Speaker 2: maybe even wiser.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a great way to put it. And
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  Speaker 3: this has implications for how we deal with challenges in
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  Speaker 3: our own lives, but also how we face global problems
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  Speaker 3: as a society.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible to think about how this framework can explain
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  Speaker 2: not just how individuals behave, but also how whole societies evolve.
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  Speaker 2: Makes you wonder how we can encourage this kind of
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  Speaker 2: development on a larger scale.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's a really important question. How do we
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  Speaker 3: create environments where individuals can grow and transform, leading to
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  Speaker 3: a world that's more compassionate, more just, and more sustainable.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely worth thinking about.
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  Speaker 2: It is, but I think this deep dive has given
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  Speaker 2: us a new way to look at those questions. We've
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  Speaker 2: learned so much about how our inner world shapes what
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  Speaker 2: happens outside of us.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, this deep dive has been all about seeing ourselves,
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  Speaker 3: our relationships, and the world in a new light.
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  Speaker 2: As we wrap up this exploration of ego development, what's
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  Speaker 2: the one thing you hope our listeners will take away.
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  Speaker 3: From this, I'd say this ego development is a journey,
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  Speaker 3: not a destination. It's a lifelong process of growth and change,
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  Speaker 3: and while these stages are helpful, they're just guides, not
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  Speaker 3: strict categories.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not about reaching some perfect final stage. It's
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  Speaker 2: about becoming more self aware, more compassionate, and more connected
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  Speaker 2: to the world around us.
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  Speaker 3: That's a perfect way to put it, and by working
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  Speaker 3: on those qualities, we can create a world that's better
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  Speaker 3: for everyone.
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  Speaker 2: That's a powerful thought to leave us with. This has
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  Speaker 2: been an amazing journey and I want to thank you
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  Speaker 2: for guiding us through it.
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  Speaker 3: The pleasure was all mine and to our listener, I'll
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  Speaker 3: leave you with this. Instead of worrying about what stage
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  Speaker 3: you're at, what if you just focused on being more curious,
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  Speaker 3: more compassionate, and more open to the beauty and mystery
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  Speaker 3: of it all. Imagine what's possible.
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  Speaker 2: What a great way to end this. Until next time,
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  Speaker 2: keep exploring, keep growing, and keep diving deep.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in to this episode of the
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