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55KRC Thursday Show - Todd Zinser, Jay Ratliff · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Good one so far, trying to make it a good
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  Speaker 1: one even if you're not right now. Could get better.
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  Speaker 1: It's always possibility coming up. It'll get better. At seven
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  Speaker 1: oh five, citizen watchdog Todd Zenzer. Yeah, striking fear into
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  Speaker 1: the hearts and minds of the mayor, the city manager,
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  Speaker 1: the best interests of the voters and the residents of
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  Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati. Today, Todd Zinzer will address in
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  Speaker 1: studio the mayor's sketchy board memberships on nonprofits. Oh, he's
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  Speaker 1: all over that, isn't he. Iris Rawley, for example, where
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  Speaker 1: is that railway money? And where's the money going? He
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  Speaker 1: sold the railway promises to bring in millions and millions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars, giving up the most valuable asset owned by
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  Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati. And I don't know where the
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  Speaker 1: money's going, Todd Zinser, may he'll certainly let us know.
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  Speaker 1: Why hasn't the City Cincinni spent over thirty million dollars
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  Speaker 1: allocated for street repairs across the city. Yeah, how your
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  Speaker 1: finally pay Sunset I did get to drive on it
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  Speaker 1: than it was. What about all the other road repairs?
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  Speaker 1: Where is that money? Is it sitting in a pile unused?
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  Speaker 1: Are they incapable of addressing the road problems we still
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  Speaker 1: have in the city. I don't know. That's why we
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  Speaker 1: Looking Forward Citizen Watchdogs the name of Todd's podcast. I
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  Speaker 1: can't encourage you enough to hear what todds Enzer reports
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  Speaker 1: on and talks about regularly in between his visits here
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  Speaker 1: to the fifty five Carcene Morning Show. So one hour
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  Speaker 1: of Power with Todd beginning again seven oh five. I
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  Speaker 1: heard media aviation expert Jay Ratliff eight thirty for that,
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  Speaker 1: giving us lots of time between now and then to
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  Speaker 1: talk on the phone if you want to call, got
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  Speaker 1: a topic you want to talk about? Five on three,
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  Speaker 1: seven four nine fifty five hundred, eight hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 1: two to three dog pound five fifty on AT and
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  Speaker 1: T phones. I've been recommending and encouraging everybody Signal ninety
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  Speaker 1: nine on Facebook. Uh looking out for the Shenanigans and
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  Speaker 1: antics for well issues related to the CINCINNT Police Department.
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  Speaker 1: She formed CINSINNT Police officer. Her identity has been revealed
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  Speaker 1: because apparently there's a lot of crazy characters out there,
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  Speaker 1: following when Signal ninety nine has to say, all she
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  Speaker 1: does is report accurate information. But of course everything you
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  Speaker 1: say online gets politicized. But revealing that not only her
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  Speaker 1: name and her identity, the fact that the Sheriff's department
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  Speaker 1: ran a check on her because of her quotes on
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  Speaker 1: social media, they actually did a background check on her. Huh.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of frightening, isn't it. Joe? Do you think
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  Speaker 1: they've done a background check on you? And I not you.
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  Speaker 1: We are integrally involved in the subject matter here on
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  Speaker 1: the fifty five Casey Morning Show. We've been critical of
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  Speaker 1: Connie Pillot's in the Prosecutor's office. We've been critical of
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  Speaker 1: Charmie McGuffey in the Sheriff's department from time to time.
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  Speaker 1: That's all Signal ninety nine does. I guess maybe I
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  Speaker 1: gained a Freedom of information actor quest to find out
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  Speaker 1: if they run background checks on me. Anyway, no problem
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  Speaker 1: will cause to run that check. That's one issue, But
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  Speaker 1: the other issue is what was announced on the top
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  Speaker 1: of the air news the dismissal of the case by
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  Speaker 1: Connie Pillach. After thirty years, Connie pill has dismissed all
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  Speaker 1: charges against Elwood Jones and Joe Deeters got a little
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  Speaker 1: bit upset about this, so much so that Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: Justice Joe Dieters wrote a letter to Connie Pilach. He
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  Speaker 1: was the one that was the Hamilton County prosecutor at
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  Speaker 1: the time this man was put on trial and convicted,
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  Speaker 1: a conviction affirmed on appeal, guilty on a reasonable doubt,
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  Speaker 1: upheld by multiple appeals up to the appellate process. Humph,
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  Speaker 1: So why was it dismissed? Joe Deeter's on fire over that,
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  Speaker 1: and Signal ninety nine also summarized pretty much what Joe
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  Speaker 1: Deeters said by way of his letter to Connie Pillach.
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  Speaker 1: So before addressing the substance of this matter, he writes,
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  Speaker 1: I want to be clear about the capacity which I write.
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  Speaker 1: I do so both as the former prosecuting attorney for
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  Speaker 1: Hamilton County and as a citizen of the county. My
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  Speaker 1: current role is justice of the highest Supreme Court of
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  Speaker 1: exercise scrupulous caution with respect to the matter originating from
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  Speaker 1: my former as office, and consistent with that obligation, he's
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  Speaker 1: getting out in front of it. Folks, I voluntarily recused
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  Speaker 1: myself from any participation in the Elwood Jones case. That is,
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  Speaker 1: to the extent it ends up landing on his desk
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  Speaker 1: in front in the Supreme Court. Don't think that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: happen anymore, said, I've watched the full press conference in
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  Speaker 1: which you dismissed the entire case against Elwood Jones, and
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  Speaker 1: during that conference you publicly proclaim that Jones has been,
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  Speaker 1: in her words, cleared of the murder of Miss Nathan
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  Speaker 1: Hellos quote, asserting that your decision was based on modern
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  Speaker 1: day medical testing that excluded Elwood Jones as a suspect.
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  Speaker 1: Wait for it, then you went further, he right. You
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  Speaker 1: publicly impugned the integrity of former members of my office,
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  Speaker 1: suggesting they cheated, falsely implied that thousands of pages of
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  Speaker 1: evidence have been withheld from the defense. You compounded these
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  Speaker 1: accusations by portraying your actions as a necessary, very corrective
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  Speaker 1: to alleged pass misconduct, invoking the creation of a conviction
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  Speaker 1: integrity unit as justification. They have one of those units.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's supposed to reviewing all the cases just to
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  Speaker 1: find out if anybody in the past has ever been
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  Speaker 1: deprived of evidence in the criminal trial. Exculpatory evidence must
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  Speaker 1: be produced. If you're a defense attorney, you know this
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  Speaker 1: prosecutor's office knows they have to hand over documents that
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  Speaker 1: contain any information that might suggest or prove that the
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  Speaker 1: defendant is innocent. That's a fair rule. It should be.
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  Speaker 1: They shouldn't be able to sit on exculpatory evidence in
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  Speaker 1: this particular case, As Joe Deeters points out, they didn't,
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  Speaker 1: as reviewed and confirmed by appellate courts who've reviewed all
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  Speaker 1: the evidence that was allegedly withheld. Theaters are these assertions
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  Speaker 1: are not only outrageous, they are false, reckless, and profoundly
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  Speaker 1: damaging the constitute, gross disservice to the people of Hamilton County,
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  Speaker 1: and unjustified attack on the honorable public servants. These are
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  Speaker 1: Connie Pillach's employees, the assistant prosecutors who work hard day
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  Speaker 1: in and day out to bring bad people to justice.
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  Speaker 1: Her underlings, the people that will may derive some you know,
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  Speaker 1: sense of a feeling of a worth or worthlessness depending
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  Speaker 1: upon what comes out of Connie Pillach's mouth. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: go with worthlessness. Now, first, he writes, you claim that
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  Speaker 1: modern day medical testing excluded Jones from murder is demonstrably untrue.
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  Speaker 1: You stated that because mister Nathan had hepatitis, or miss Nathan,
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  Speaker 1: she's the dead one, all right, She had hepatitis undisputed fact.
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  Speaker 1: Because she had appatitis, Jones would necessarily have contracted it
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  Speaker 1: had he been the perpetrator. Now he, as the jury
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  Speaker 1: can believe beyond a reasonable doubt, he beat her with
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  Speaker 1: his fist and a walkie talkie in the mouth important
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  Speaker 1: she was very bloody. Also reported that he had an
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  Speaker 1: injury to his dominant hand. We'll get to that in
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  Speaker 1: a minute. So because she had hepatitis, Pillage claimed that
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  Speaker 1: he would have contracted it had he been the perpetrator.
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  Speaker 1: Yet the defense's own paid expert testified that there was
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  Speaker 1: only a thirty three percent chance that Jones would have
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  Speaker 1: contracted hepatitis if he were the person who beat her
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  Speaker 1: to death. Only a thirty three percent chance. So one
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  Speaker 1: out of three you're beating someone up with your hand,
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  Speaker 1: you the one out of three chances you're going to
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  Speaker 1: contract hepatitis, meaning and two out of three chances you're not.
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  Speaker 1: So is that exculpatory? No, that's what Deeters wrote. A
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  Speaker 1: thirty three percent probability of transmission is not exclusion. He said,
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  Speaker 1: either you don't understand the meaning of that term. You
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  Speaker 1: knowingly made a s that was patently false. Amen, brother,
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  Speaker 1: Over to the documents your county. Pillot's reference to thousands
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  Speaker 1: of pages of withheld evidences likewise a red herring. After
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  Speaker 1: the defendant exhausted every available state appellate remedy, his council
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  Speaker 1: sought additional records in federal court. This is an avenue
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  Speaker 1: defense attorneys take all the time with criminal defendantcy and
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  Speaker 1: once you exhaust the state mechanisms, you go through the
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  Speaker 1: federal usually involving civil rights violations federal allegations, and then
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  Speaker 1: you start pursuing appeals on the federal level. So this
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  Speaker 1: is why after thirty years there was really an ongoing
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  Speaker 1: set of appeals in a case. After conviction was you know,
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  Speaker 1: again at the trial level, all the way through the
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  Speaker 1: appellate court level affirmed. So back to the documents. So
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  Speaker 1: they asked for additional documents in federal court, specifically the
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  Speaker 1: documents they asked for police runs to the hotel, and
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  Speaker 1: a questionnaire circulated by the Blue Ash de Police Department
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  Speaker 1: of hotel guests. These materials contained no oh, exculpatory evidence whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: They consisted of paper, nothing more, no facts, no forensic revelations,
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  Speaker 1: no information that would have altered the outcome of the case. Hmm,
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  Speaker 1: do we have to take Joe Dieter's word on that. No,
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  Speaker 1: the Federal District Court explicitly found these materials would not
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  Speaker 1: have affected jones conviction. The six Circuit Court of Appeals
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  Speaker 1: unaniously affirmed that conclusion. Not read that opinion you should have.
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  Speaker 1: The claim you advanced publicly is baseless. So here's Connie
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  Speaker 1: pillichs saying the deprivation of these records somehow impacted his
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  Speaker 1: ability to get a fair trial. Well, the federal courts
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  Speaker 1: reviewed that very claim and said, no, there's nothing in
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  Speaker 1: these documents. Had they been available to the defendant of
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  Speaker 1: during the original trial, I'm guessing none of them would
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  Speaker 1: have come out in the original truck because they had
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  Speaker 1: no bearing on it. Said, I was the prosecutor ultimately
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  Speaker 1: responsible for the decision to seek Jones's indictment. At no
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  Speaker 1: point in my office cheat word she used, as you
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  Speaker 1: so casually and irresponsibly alleged. Mark Pete Meyer, the attorney
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  Speaker 1: who prosecuted the case in court, among the most respected
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors in the history of this state. Your statements about
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  Speaker 1: him and others were slanderous, unjustified, and wrong. If you're
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  Speaker 1: committed to transparency, deaders rites, I suggest you explained the
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  Speaker 1: following facts of the public. And here's where the rubber
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  Speaker 1: meets a road. How many individuals possessed a master key
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  Speaker 1: capable of opening the locked door to Ronda Nathan's hotel
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  Speaker 1: room that morning? The answer is for he was one
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  Speaker 1: of them. He worked there, he had the master key.
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  Speaker 1: How Jones sustained this is great? The infected wound to
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  Speaker 1: his hand, an injury consistent only with striking a human mouth.
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  Speaker 1: And how did he know that because the man had
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  Speaker 1: an infection in the wound on his hand, an infection
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  Speaker 1: that doctors said could only come from the bacteria from
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  Speaker 1: a human mouth. How the distinctive walkie talkie in Jones' possession,
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  Speaker 1: the murder weapon, was supposedly used by someone else. The
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  Speaker 1: question never answered. Apparently that murder weapon, the walkie talkie
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  Speaker 1: he used his hand, and that she had imprints on
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  Speaker 1: her face consistent with the walkie talkie that he had
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  Speaker 1: in his possession. The marks matched up. How is Nathan's
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  Speaker 1: unique piece of customed jewelry ended up in the toolbox
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  Speaker 1: in the trunk of Jones's car, which the defense claimed,
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  Speaker 1: without any shred of proof, was planted by law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: So she's got a handmade piece of jewelry attributed to
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  Speaker 1: be made by one of the family members in his
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  Speaker 1: car in the back, and so rather than deal with
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  Speaker 1: that reality, the defense suggested that the police just put
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  Speaker 1: it there, an argument apparently rejected by the trial court.
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  Speaker 1: The jury found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. He
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  Speaker 1: went on, you also stated them as Nathan's family was
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  Speaker 1: merely disappointed by your decision. That characterization broadly borders on insulting.
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  Speaker 1: They are furious, and you may well have violated Marcy's
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  Speaker 1: law on a matter with which the decision was handled.
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  Speaker 1: Marcy's law requires the prosecutor's office to consult with the
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  Speaker 1: victims before doing something like she did in this particular case,
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  Speaker 1: which is dismissed. All these charges, after all these trials
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  Speaker 1: and appeals confirmed that he was guilty and there had
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  Speaker 1: been no violations. What is going on here? Why are
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  Speaker 1: they so held baun on letting this guy out and
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  Speaker 1: spitted in the face of all this evidence? Good question?
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  Speaker 1: Why are they willing to do so much damage to
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  Speaker 1: the reputation of the Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office. I'll let
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  Speaker 1: you draw your own conclusions on that part of a
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  Speaker 1: broader pattern undermining law enforcement and one of its arms,
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutor's office. Right. No, we're not going to believe
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  Speaker 1: anything the prosecutor's office does anymore. And I'll admit over
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  Speaker 1: the years that I have been convinced there are some
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  Speaker 1: people in jail that it shouldn't be there. That's why
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad there are folks out there looking into the
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  Speaker 1: records and document evidence to find out if some perhaps
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  Speaker 1: well problem happened, some something untoward. Amy prosecutor's always going
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  Speaker 1: after someone. It doesn't appear to be the case here
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  Speaker 1: and even close. So maybe we're just left to conclude
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  Speaker 1: that the judge in this particular case, Cross and Connie
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  Speaker 1: Pillach are seeking to further undermine the whole concept of
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement and holding a people accountable for their crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Kcity Talk Station. There it is Joe Deaters quote Elwood
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  Speaker 1: Jones is a murderer. Okay, period. If Elwood wants to
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  Speaker 1: assume me, sue me, I'll be happy to go to
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  Speaker 1: court and say exactly what I've been saying for the
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  Speaker 1: last thirty years. Separate memorandum summarizes the evidence, pointing out
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  Speaker 1: that he hadn't have a huge criminal hit history before
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  Speaker 1: murdering Ronda Nathan. He writes, Jones career criminal, extensive history
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  Speaker 1: of violence in burglary, fo aggravated burglary, burglary arrests, five
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  Speaker 1: assaults on civilians as soltled a police officer, domestic violence,
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  Speaker 1: sort of prison sentence for aggravated burglary, released on parole, reoffended,
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  Speaker 1: returned to prison, which demonstrates a history of violence in
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  Speaker 1: a pattern of pattern of well breaking the law, stealing
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  Speaker 1: property by breaking into dwellings. M So, what happened on
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  Speaker 1: the morning of September second, ninety four, Jones working at
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  Speaker 1: the blue ash Embassy suite had access because he had
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  Speaker 1: a master key because he's employed there from his work location.
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  Speaker 1: He observed Elane Shove and Joe Kaplan leave their locked room,
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  Speaker 1: saw him downstairs in the breakfast, and then that's where
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  Speaker 1: he thought, I'm going to go into the empty room
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  Speaker 1: and steal stuff, use his master key to get in there. However,
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  Speaker 1: unexpectedly encountered the late Ronda Nathan alone, wearing only a towel.
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  Speaker 1: Rather than flee, Jones beat her to death using items
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  Speaker 1: he carried for work. He then stole cash from her
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  Speaker 1: shoves purse. The other occupant of the room removed a
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  Speaker 1: distinctive pendant Rondy Nathan always wore. That's the one they
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  Speaker 1: found in his car. When the other two returned, Sho
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  Speaker 1: and Kaplan, they found her unresponsive. Paramedics attempted resuscitation. She
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  Speaker 1: died cornered or termed to death. Was blunt force trauma injuries,
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  Speaker 1: including missing teeth, pattern to bruising consistent with a walkie
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  Speaker 1: talkie and door chain. Jones initially had no visible injuries.
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  Speaker 1: Later that day, coworkers saw that he had a wrapped
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  Speaker 1: hand and heard inconsistent explanations about where that injury came
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  Speaker 1: from the wound became infected. Here you go, folks, prompting
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  Speaker 1: medical attention. Doctor John mcconnough McDonnell, apparently testified in front
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  Speaker 1: of the jury in the original trial, concluded the injury
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  Speaker 1: was classic fight bite caused by punching someone in the mouth.
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  Speaker 1: Test and confirmed the infection with something called Echinella oridens,
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  Speaker 1: a bacterium found only in the human mouth. Search of Jones'
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  Speaker 1: car and residents recovered to walkie talking and door chain
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  Speaker 1: matching the victim's injuries. They recovered rodon Nathan's unique pendant,
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  Speaker 1: which was missing immediately after the assault. Interesting that Jones
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  Speaker 1: unanimously clicked convicted and murder by the Hamilton County jury
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  Speaker 1: unanimously recommended a death sentence. On top of that, that
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  Speaker 1: conviction and sentence unanimously confirmed on a direct appeal in Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: later affirmed by the Federal District Court and six Circuit
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  Speaker 1: Court of Appeals. That's all those arguments that he made,
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  Speaker 1: deprived of documents, seeking documents, know nothing's there. We reviewed
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  Speaker 1: the documents. Nothing would have helped him upholding the conviction.
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  Speaker 1: Those claims withheld evidence. Deeters Rose New scientific evidence and
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  Speaker 1: alternative perpetrator were fully litigated in federal court and rejected.
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  Speaker 1: So called new witness testimony consisted of inadmissible double hearsay
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  Speaker 1: from a demonstrably unreliable sore and lacked any corroboration or
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  Speaker 1: factual plausibility. In other words, they dug someone up and
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  Speaker 1: they tried to present that testimony hearsays bad enough. Double hearsay.
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  Speaker 1: You're repeating what someone else said to you as a
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  Speaker 1: factual statement. But in this particular case, that thing that
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  Speaker 1: someone else told you was a was something that that
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  Speaker 1: other person learned from someone else, making it double hearsay.
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  Speaker 1: It's like playing the telephone game, you know, as it
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  Speaker 1: goes down the road, the story and the information tends
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  Speaker 1: to change over time because you try to remember what
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  Speaker 1: the other person said, regardless double hearsay. So that witness
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  Speaker 1: testimony well thrown out all makes sense. He said murder
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  Speaker 1: had to be president. The embassy suites Check possessed the
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  Speaker 1: master key. Check witheld matching items matching the victim's injuries,
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  Speaker 1: yet steal ron Nathan's distinctive pendant. Check sustained to fight
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  Speaker 1: bite injury check. Only one individual satisfies every requirement that
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  Speaker 1: person Elwood Jones who Connie Pillage dismissed the case again
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  Speaker 1: after thirty years? Answer how and why this is going on?
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  Speaker 1: Can anybody make any sense out of this? Five twenty
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  Speaker 1: this morning, Tom, Happy Friday, Eve Man, Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, good morning. Sounds like we've already Yanni Sinanigan's declaration
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  Speaker 3: going on? What a mess? I know, that's wow. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm my first question was is Connie running for election
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  Speaker 3: here pretty soon? Or what is the reason for this?
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  Speaker 3: He just still hasn't presented anything right.
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  Speaker 1: I do not know? And how unusual it is is
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  Speaker 1: it for Joe Deeters, I mean, or any like justice
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  Speaker 1: sitting on the Supreme Court to go out on a
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  Speaker 1: limb to defend not only his former prosecutors and the
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  Speaker 1: prosecutor tried the case, but his reputation and to just
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  Speaker 1: aggressively go after Connie Pillage for well, what he calls
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  Speaker 1: lies in her suggestions that the prosecutors were engaged in
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  Speaker 1: untoward conduct. What an insult to the prosecutors. Under the circumstance,
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  Speaker 1: the evidence was overwhelming. I mean, yeah, we're glad he
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  Speaker 1: stuck his head out and addressed all this in a
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  Speaker 1: very straightforward way, because that's what leads me to conclude,
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand what the hell's going on with Connie
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  Speaker 1: Pillage and this judge.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a running joke up the dial. And I'm
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: sure you know this that if Joe ever gets on
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  Speaker 3: the radio with his buddy Willie, he doesn't say anything.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: He like, you get nothing out of him. It's like
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: a freaking steel vault. And here he comes out and
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: just lamb blast this this prosecutor. I mean, rightfully, so
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I based on what I'm hearing. Obviously I don't know
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: the case. I mean, I not don't know the ins
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and outs, but I mean, yeah, that's that's not evidence.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: But it should definitely make you if you're listening to this,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: you hear this story, make you raise an eyebraw, Go
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: wait a second, what's going on here? What was the
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, and it doesn't seem like anything is you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: and I know this is being very simplistic, but you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: the whole thing with whenever there's a you know, a
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: call an NFL game, they have a review and and
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: and if they review it, and you know, they they
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: find they don't find enough obvious evidence to overturn the call,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: they don't overturn the call. I mean, there's nothing obvious here.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: That's oh you know they didn't know this before. Oh
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: well okay, I mean even there's not even enough there
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: to like go, you know what, maybe that I don't
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: even hear him maybe anywhere, So so I have you know, what,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: what conclusion can we make? Is it politics? I mean,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know this woman, uh Connie Pillach,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: But I mean, what what else are we supposed to
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: think here? Are you appealing to a certain group of
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: people or what? I don't know what what's your motivation here?
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Because it sure does not seem like there's some obvious
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: reason why this man should be let out of prison
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  Speaker 3: and taking off death row.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Well it doesn't. It would be a better argument, or
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: at least you allow allow people to be somewhat satisfied that,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna give him another shot. Is
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: going to be a retroal whatever, if there hadn't been
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: such a thorough and comprehensive appellate record on this one.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: His initial trial, I was confirmed it was guilpy on
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt, went through the whole appellate process, moving
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: over to federal court, going through multiple appell appeals in
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the federal court, all led to his the confirmation of
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: his conviction. Now it magically disappears because even though the
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: federal courts and the and the appellate courts rejected the
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: arguments that Connie Pillage put forward, suggesting that it was
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the proper thing to do to overturn his conviction, it
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: was all right there that had already been addressed. So
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: it's frustrating Tom have to acknowledge that.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Well, elections have consequences, and we talk about it every day,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: and every day I remind people, don't vote Democrat.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Have a great datah Man, Well, maybe she's appealing to
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the huge swath of voters in Hamilton County who have
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: been convicted of murder or something. I don't know, Jay,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: what's going on, man, Welcome to the Morning Show.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Hey, First of all, Merry Christmas to you and Joe
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: and Tom and the listeners. And I'm going to say
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: this first because I've been delinquent and I've been letting
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Tom down. So I'm going to say I'm going to
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: change my approach and say, don't vote Democrat, don't vote Rhino.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: We're going to get that up front to build on
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Tom's delivery. But here's my question. I'm a process guy, Brian,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: and you were just explaining the appellate process. When something
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: comes from the county level to the state to the
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: federal and it keeps getting reviewed, does a county prosecutor
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: have the decision making authority thirty years later to shake
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: the extra sketch and say never mind, after it's already
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: been weighed in at the higher court levels. Does she
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: have the authorities.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: To do that?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I think baseball what was done yesterday, the ANSWER's got
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: to be yes. Well, I mean, if she didn't, I
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: have no question in my mind that Joe Eters would
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: have pointed that out. She doesn't have the authority even
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: do this. That seems to me to be argument number one.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: If that authority it didn't exist. So I think we
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: just put that to bed.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she has well, what is the point of having
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: the seppellt and kicking it into the higher level courts
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: to have them way in if somebody at the lowest
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: level later on can say, never mind.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Well look at this though. Some of the Justice Department
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: cases that were advanced against Donald Trump magically have been dismissed.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: They're no longer pursuing them, So that flexibility has to exist.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Prosecutorial discretion is apparently what they call that. Just because
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the crime may have been committed doesn't mean that the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: law enforcement or a prosecutor has to go after you. Flexibility,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: it's built into the pie built process.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: So hypothetically, if it went to the Supreme Court, quote
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: the Supreme Law of the Land, and they weighed in
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: on this and they said he's guilty, We've reviewed it,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: that she could say that the county level, never mind,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: we're not going to do the shape the ectousketch. And
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: it's like it's like surfro, like it never even happened.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Well, it appears that there's some point in the process
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: here that I can't latch onto that brought this back
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: before Hamilton County prosecutor Counting Village and this judge. Remember
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it was the judge's who said that he should not
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: have been convicted, that the prosecutors that she concluded rather
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: or ruled that the prosecutors had withheld evidence that the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: exculpatory evidence from the doctor i e. One in three
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: chances of getting hepatitis B was actually exculpatory when it wasn't.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: She made that legal ruling. County Pillage gets it and says, okay,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: based upon this local judge's ruling, here, we are going
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: to just dismiss the case outright. So the process of
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: getting in front of Judge Cross is confusing to me.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know how it happened, but it did, and
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: that's how we got to where we are. Appreciate it, Joe,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I understand. Thank you, love you brother. You take care
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of yourself and I have a great Friday e five
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• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Tech Friday with Dave Hatter and the return the weekly
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: return of Congressman Warren Davidson. So we had some big
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: activity yesterday. We'll talk about that later. Donald Trump saying
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: he's going to do something about aggressive housing prices, didn't
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: hear specifically what anyway? Over to the stack of stupid
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Georgia homeowner charged with in the shooting of two teens
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: suspected of stealing packages from his front porch. Rock Caing
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Bradford now facing two counts of aggravated assault and possession
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of a firearm during the commission of a felony in
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the shooting of two teenage boys who were aged fifteen
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and sixteen about three thirty in the afternoon December eleventh.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: We're in Atlanta on this one court to the police Chief,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Darren Schierbaum of the Atlanta Police, our investigation determined that
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: we believe a property crime was occurring, that some packages
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: were being taken off a front porch, which is not
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: uncommon this time of year, and the homeowner did discharge
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: his weapon to stop that. Let's not do that, folks.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Responding officers found a fifteen year old with a gunshot
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: wound to his right foot, taken to the hospital for treatment.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: After that, they found the other team of the gunshot
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: wound to his right arm taken to the hospital in
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: critical condition. That boy early Friday morning. Police said the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: teen underwhen surgery. Both are expected to survive, which is
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: lucky for this guy squeezing off the rounds because it
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: could be homicide. Teen suspected of stealing packages i e.
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  Speaker 1: Porch pirates. No charges against the teen announced, but of
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: course they can be charged with endeavoring to steal packages.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: But listen, unless you are faced with the eminent apprehension
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of grievous bodily harm or fear of your own life
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  Speaker 1: being taken from you, you can't use deadly for so
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: if someone's stealing the packages on the front porch, rely
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: on your ring camera, doorbell to turn that information over
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  Speaker 1: to the police. Otherwise, call the police, let them know
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: what's happening, but do not shoot them if they enter
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: your home. You're in a different realm Castle doctrine. Assume
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you are in fear of your life when someone breaks
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: into your home. I know people want to shoot people
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: for stealing property, but you can't do it. Florida woman
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: arrested for driving a stolen car to the federal courthouse
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: where she was on trial for her allegerle and conspiracy
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to defraud twenty nine million dollars from COVID nineteen relief money.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Thirty nine year Oldatoya Clark blocks away from the US
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: District Court and Fort Pierce with a license plate reader
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: flagged her vehicle as a stolen vehicle. She's hid in
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the wheel of a twenty twenty five ram Pro Master
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: cargo van when she got pulled over. After she got
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: out of the vehicle, was handcuffed. Cop explained why she
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: was being detained. Oh, I know why, she said, adding
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: that she was on the way to the federal courthouse
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: quote because she is on trial for a federal crime.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Close quote court. To the court records, she obtained the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: van a couple of months ago in a one day
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: rental from U Haul. When she failed to return the vehicle,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it was reported stolen. Charged with the felon, he booked
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: into the county jail, made her a note show at
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the federal court where she was indicted in May for conspiracy,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: money laundering, a wire fraud. She and five co defendants
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: engaged in the multi year scheme to filew phony COVID
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: relief applications one of like nine billion of these, considering
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: nobody was looking out for fraud, waste, and abuse. There
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: He'd said it again, Thomas is on a roll. They
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: submitted ninety two bogus claims, netting them twenty nine million dollars. Well.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Following her arrest in the stolen van case, her bond
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: was revoked by the US District Court. Cannon rejected a
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: defense argument that her retention of the U haul van
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: was born entirely out of poverty, desperation, and survival, and
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that she was living out of the stolen wheels. You
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: think Connie Pillich would have dismissed as Joe, Yeah, I know.
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• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Good morning, Brian Thomas. So let me get this straight.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Mark Petemeyer and Joe Dieters, two of the most respected
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: prosecutors and assistant prosecutor at Hamilton County, much so less
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Ohio and probably across the country, have ever had planted
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: the evidence or implied that the evidence has been planned
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: just to get a conviction.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Now, no, no, no.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: The defense claimed that the necklace, which was a custom
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: made personal possession of the deceased, was in The prosecutors
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: pointed out they found that in his car. I think
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: was found in a toolbox, and he owned it was
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: in the truck of his car. The defense attorneys suggested
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that it was planted. Deaders did okay, well you just
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: got done saying theaters, and Pete Meer suggested that it
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: was planted.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Well, well, if I said that, I'm sorry, I just want.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: To make sure of it. I understood it. So the
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: listeners understood it. Yeah, the defense argument, and that was
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: rejected by the jury who found him guilty beyond a
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt and so much so that they recommended the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: death penalty.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: Well, I would still take is that somehow that evidence
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: was that put in the toolbox. Somebody had to put
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: it there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the defendant question, my bigger question is how many
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: millions of dollars are the county hatchpayers on the hook
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: for it now? Because this guy is going to sue
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: and sue and sue for thirty years of incarceration. And
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: I've seen this over and over and over that somebody
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: like this gets some team millions of dollars for every
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: year that they're in prison.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what Dinner's point is. The judge cross here
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: in Hamilton County is the one who claimed that this
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: stuff was planted, that evidence was withheld, now notwithstanding the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: fact that prior courts had concluded that no evidence was
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: not withheld, and even to the extent he had documents
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: weren't produced. They had nothing to do with the case. Basically,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: So there's no argument there. You have appellate court decisions
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that you can rely on in defense of any civil
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: suit that's brought by this guy. I mean, I agree
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: with you, a civil suit may very well ensue, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you can't defend against it.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Oh he's gonna sue, He's something definitely sue. They always do,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: because now you know he was on TV stating his
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: innocence and the nurse saying, well you are guilty, and
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Joe Dieters is out there saying he's a murderer.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: He is going to sue. You.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Watch the same as what I said to you about
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: a month ago about streetcar number two and you kind
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: of scoffed at it and laughed at it.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I'm laughing at it again. Just the idea of a
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: street car number two makes me laugh. Whether or not
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: it has genuine motive or a genuine effort behind it,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and they really do plan on putting one in, it's
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: just the idea that they come up with to do
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: streetcar number two is in and of itself comical and stupid. Well,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I agree, I'm not going to go I'm not saying
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: it's not going to happen though, it's just it's just
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: doubling down on dumb.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Anyway, I'm gonna I'm gonna get the old popcorn and
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: watch it. Watch the millions flow out of the coffers,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: because these people don't mind writing checks for millions and
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: millions of dollars to anyboddy that pushes it and I
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: know dagone, well this has got politics behind it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Well that'll be the check. The check right after the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: former fire chief Washington and police chief former chief on
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: administratively Fiji have their checks written to them. So maybe
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: check number three will in fact go to this convicted murderer.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I'm just going on the record there, Bill, Welcome to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the program. Happy Friday, Eve.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Hey Brian, happy to you too. Hey, listen, I remember
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: watching this on television in Saint Louis. They had like
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Unsolved Mysteries and Mystery whatever show a whole hour on
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: this murder and how they've basically found all the evidence.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: The lady got punched in the mouth that gave the
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: guy a hand disease similar to the same thing that
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: cats can give people. It's that's how that doctor knew it,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: because he knew it was the same thing that sometimes
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: a house cat if they fight your or your wrestling
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: with it, and Charles blood, it's the same. It's the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: same disease as that, and that lady acted she had
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: it in her mouth and not too many people have them,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: but she did. And it was a heck of a show.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever seen it or how
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: you could look that up to watch it. But yeah,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I mean for this lady to say there's no evidence
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and just to try to let somebody out blows me away.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: How somebody years down the road can do this.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: It just it's not it's not right, which pretty much
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: sums up in short form, all of the points that
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: former Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Dieters made and of course
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: commented yesterday speaking with Bill Cunningham on the radio as well. Yeah,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: he called them outright liars. That's a bold statement. That's
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: why he issued a statement also saying go ahead and
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: sue me, Go ahead, sue me for defamation. We'll go
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: to court on that one too, and I'll say the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: same thing in court and defending myself that have been
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: saying about this murderer for the last thirty years. Five
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• 35:14
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• 35:23
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• 35:43
  Speaker 1: about the mayor's sketchy board memberships. Why is he on
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: board of directors with money that from the City of
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: since Ant going to the entities upon which he sits
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: as a board of director? Good question. Where's the railway
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: money going? That's a good question. Dodd maybe knows, or
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't. Just wants to point out that apparently
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: there's railway money out there, there's not being used. Most notably,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: it's not going to repair city roads across the city.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Why hasn't the city spent over three hundred million dollars
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: that was allocated to repair the roads in the city.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: And just to basically a year in review as well
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: as a looking forward into the next calendar year from
• 36:21
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• 36:23
  Speaker 1: RATTLFFE at eight thirty I heard media aviation expert you
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• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Hamlin County Prosecutor Pillage dismissing the Elwood Jones case, effectively
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: rendering it the whole case over with. So a convicted
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: murderer who'd been through the appellate process, both on state
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: level appeals and the federal court appeals, lots of evidence
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: pointed directly to him as being the murderer. The jury
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: had no problem convicting him, convinced me on a reasonable doubt,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and I recommend for the death penalty because he beat
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: a woman to death, convicted of that, and yet it
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: ends up in front of Judge Wendy Cross. I think
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: it was remanded after one of the appellate courts dealt
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: with the issues that were raised in the case. It
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: was remanded in front of her, and then she decides
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that well, in spite of the fact that all the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: judges above her and the original court hearing found that
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the claims that resulted in the dismissal of this case
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: actually lies. Called out his lies yesterday by not only
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Hamilton County or former prosecutor Joe Dieters now Supreme Court
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Justice Joe Deeters, but a lot of other folks, including
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: our friend out there. Signal ninety nine summed up all
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the evidence, I mean, and what COUNNYE. Pillage said, if
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: you look at the evidence it was all laid out,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: was in fact a lie. That blood test Okay, The
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: prosecutors argued and proved to the jury that he beat
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: her to death with walkie talking and his hand, his
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: hands got a cut on it. He has an infection,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and infection comes from a bacteria that was in her mouth,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and a doctor that testified it couldn't have come from
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: any place else but somebody's mouth. And the injury was
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: consistent with a fight injury. That's pretty damning evidence right there.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And the judge concluded that the forensic evidence was exculpatory.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: That's not exactly what the judge said, or the defendant's
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: own experts said. He had a one in three chance,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: one out of three of getting hepatitis bat which the
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: deceit had that he would have got it one out
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: of three chances, So that means two out of three
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: times he didn't or wouldn't have That doesn't exclude it
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean it render him innocent. It doesn't prove that
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: he didn't hit her. It's just not dispositive of the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: issue whether he hit or not. But the jury's allowed
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: to factor that into the case, along with the other evidence,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: like the jewelry that she owned that was found in
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: his car, like the walkie talkie that he had as
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: part of his employment that was used to beat her
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  Speaker 1: to death. Apparently the marks on her body indicated that
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: she was hit with a walkie talki like device. Anyway,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the imprint matched up that was produced as evidence in court.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Apparently the trial court bought it. I mean, his notably
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: lengthy criminal record, the fact that he had the master
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: key to the room that he entered. Only one of
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: four people that could have got had a key to
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: that room, two of whom were the people that occupied
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the room and were sitting in the restaurant in the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: hotel enjoying breakfast or whatever meal they were having at
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the time. He used his master key and went into
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the apartment or the hotel room unexpectedly finding the deceit
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: so demonstrably rewriting the evidence. I think that's how Signal
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: ninety nine referred to it. And yeah, she just wrote
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the other day and sums it up great. Remember the
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: days when elected officials cared about truth and integrity and
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Hamilton County facts matters. Prosecutors didn't stand a podiums and
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: outright lie to the public just to justify a political
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: decision that would be highly controversial. And ask yourself this
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: them dismissing these charges after all of these appellate reviews
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: confirmed what was done at trial was appropriate at above board,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: nothing controversial there. Why in the hell is this a
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: political decision? Who is this murderer that he apparently wields
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: so much power over Connie Pilloch and Judge Wendy Cross.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: What connections does he or anybody related to him have
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: that they can just ignore all of this damning evidence again,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: damning evidence that was reviewed multiple times in multiple courts.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I don't get that. I like how Signal ninety nine
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: her comments on this reminded the world that Connie Pillats
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: never prosecuted a case in her life. She had never
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: even practiced law in decades and allowed her law license
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to expire, only to well renew the license when she
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: decided to run for Hamilton County Prosecutor, knowing full well
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: as a Democrat in Hamilton County, she was assured victory
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  Speaker 1: in spite of how well she had no credentials to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: even be on the job. Congratulations voters in Hamilton County.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: This is apparently what you get as a consequence. I
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: guess elections have consequences. Serving ninety nine says, you know
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: what Hamilton County Prosecutor, County Pillag and Judge Wendy Crost did.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: And the Elwood Jones case wasn't a mistake, It wasn't
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: a misunderstanding. It wasn't messy. That was a word they used.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: It was a deliberate rewriting of history, built on distortions, omissions,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: and outright falsehoods meant to sell you a lie. They
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: hope that no one would challenge. But when all these
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: documents and evidence are all out there, all it takes
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: is someone to bring it back up, like was done
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: over and over in the various appeals that this man
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: had through the appellate process. Both state and federal. As
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: she points out, the receipts exist and they're absolutely devastating.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Let's start with a lie, then anchor the entire narrative
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that the modern day medical test and excluded l One
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Jones as Ronda Nathan's killer. That claim not only false,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: it's an outright lie. And here's where we go back
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: over rehashing the one and three thing. The defense is
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: unpaid expert testified there's a one in three chance he
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: would have contracted hepatitis from Ron and Nathan even if
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: he beat her at at thirty three percent, not exclusion
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: its probability. It's uncertainty and pretending otherwise. It's either in
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: competence or here's the answer, intentional deception. So what is it?
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: She asked rhetorically. Were they just too incapable to understand
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the law and how to properly decipher actual evidence, or
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: did they intentionally lie? Or was it both? So that's
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the whole nefarious or stupid argument that I always make
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: when you see problems like this which you can't quite understand.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Are they just dumb or are they nefarious? Dumb is
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: one thing, he said, Well they're idiots. Nefarious is another level,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: going back to the whole political decision. Is this political
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and if it is political, it is nefarious. But why
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: what would motivate them to do this after thirty years
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine says no. Then came the next whopper,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: thousands of pages withheld evidence, another live Federal courts reviewed
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: those materials, not once, not twice. And the background on
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: that is, after he goes to the state process, gets convicted,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: a trial, goes up to the state appeals process, has
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: his conviction confirmed confirmed, they jump over to federal court
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and say they want all these other documents because they
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: were allegedly withheld. All the documents were gathered, but nothing
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: was in there. There was nothing that was exculpatory. Prosecutors
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: have an obligation to hand over all evidence that they possessed,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: that it could be exculpatory, even could be exculpatory if
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: it relates to the underlying charges, you have to hand
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: it over. Well, they went back, they got all these
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: extra documents and found that none of them have any
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: connection with this case. None of them are exculpatory. That
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: conclusion not only asserted by the prosecutor's office, confirmed by
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: federal courts who reviewed it, and yet Judge Wendy Cross
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: claimed that the up that this failure to turn over
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: these unrelated documents was an injustice that justified him having
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: a new trial, and once that decision was handed down,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: new trial is allowed. That's when Hamilton County Prosecutor Pillage says, no,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: we're dropping all charges, rendering any further appeals on that
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: issue completely moot and as was suggested, making him not
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: eligible for a retrial due to double jeopardy rules. I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: don't know how that works in maybe we need Steve
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Gooden to comment on that one. Joe. So I'm upset
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: about it, not as an upset as Joe Dieters is.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: And again I went through some of the items that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he pointed out to Connie Pillage in an outright damning letter,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: going through all of the evidence that was presented and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the whole appellate process calling them basically liars. Why can
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: someone answer that question? Why was this man granted a
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: new trial after all of that? And why did Connie
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Pillis choose to just outright dismiss the case. Pats on
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• 45:17
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  Speaker 1: to home prices. He said, I will announce some of
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the most aggressive housing reform plans in American history. Well
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: he didn't yesterday, and this is a real challenge. I
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: fully appreciate the politically charged predicament that the Republicans are
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: having with regard to in inflation as we approach the
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: November of elections. It's a real problem. Of course, healthcare
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: is another separate problem. These are the Democrats' two main arguments.
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  Speaker 1: But dealing with housing reform and trying to get housing
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: affordability as a concept out there in the world again
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: because it used to be is a major major problem.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: And here the facts are what they are. Affordability a
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: top concern. Of course, there's your political issue. Beginning with
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: a COVID pandemic, housing costs have gone clearly up. Medium
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: home prices jumped apparently fifty five percent. That fact from
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the National Association of Homebuilders. Rents jumped thirty five percent nationwide.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: According to Zilo. That's again since the COVID nineteen pandemic.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Right barring costs are up, Federal Reserve jacked, interest rates
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: up because of inflation. Yeah, I remember that pesky thing.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Inflation we're all dealing with. It's not just housing inflation,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: of course. Donald Trump's ab talked about food inflation yesterday
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: as well. Some bright spots in the food inflation. Of course,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: he noted that eggs have dropped dramatically. Part of the
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: problem with eggs the bird flu wiped out tons of
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the bird population. You also had supply chain issues, etc.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: During COVID nineteen. Those problems have gone away as a
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: matter of course, and therefore eggs fell. Okay, there's one
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: bright spot. What about all the others like bee for example,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: the herds are too small. We haven't hit adequately sized
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: herds for a variety of reasons COVID nineteen. Again one
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: of those if you're workers, the slaughter the meat smaller herds.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Price of feed jumped up, fertilizers shot through the roof,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and that of course, largely driven by green energy policies,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: at least in part. Accord to the National Association Realtors,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: housing shortage number one reason for lack of affordability. Housing shortage.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Now he's going to announce some of the most aggressive
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: housing reform plans in American history. How are you going
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: to resolve the housing shortage problem? Well, part of it
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: are these self inflicted wounds that I've been talking about
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of late. You know, you want to point
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to the problem with inflation. Yeah, there's the problem right there.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: It's the regulatory hurdles to get something built, not just
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: high mortgage rates, persistent shortage of home experts pointing to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: years of underbuilding, and Donald trumpillatered this too, talk about
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: the reality of adding ten to twenty million illegal immigrants
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: over a very short period of a few years. That
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: causes a housing shortage. Clearly, if nobody's been building an
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: adequate supply of housing for years and then we hit
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: COVID and then we got an in border invasion, you
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: got also restrictive zoning laws. My friends in California know
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: all about that. They built any houses of the Pacific
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Palisades after the fire. Yet, how's that situation in Hawaii
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: going eh restrictive zoning laws, regulatory hurdles another reason cited
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: by the experts of why there is an insufficient supply
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: of housing out there, regulatory hurdles, again self inflicted will
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: uns So can Donald Trump go after the core problem
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: here getting rid of restrictive zoning laws and the regulatory
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: hurdles that states have the power to impose. Which is
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: why I go back to he said he was going
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: to announce the most aggressive housing reform plans in American history.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting to hear what specifically they are, because if
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: he goes straight to the core of the problem, I
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: don't know that he's in a position or the federal
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  Speaker 1: governments in a position to do anything about it. Just
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  Speaker 1: said a news release. One of the two young men
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  Speaker 1: man and two dogs. This is so sad were found
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  Speaker 1: Channel nineteen Rick Prince or west Chester Fire Chief Rick
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  Speaker 1: Prince speaking with nineteen. Water search was issued a little
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  Speaker 1: second dog. Bodies were recovered, pond was still covered with ice.
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  Speaker 1: But he's a sonar in the water to find the body. Obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Prince said they were searching the pond for at least
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  Speaker 1: an hour before they did find the man and has
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  Speaker 1: positive it is In terms of the environment, a hot
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Department of Wildlife confirmed that an animal that was spotted
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• 54:22
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  Speaker 1: since the species originally disappeared in the eighteen hundreds. They
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  Speaker 1: Listed currently as a species of Special Interest by the
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• 54:50
  Speaker 1: saying it's another species native to Ohio that to be
• 54:53
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  Speaker 1: the return of fishers and other extrapated speed She's like otters,
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  Speaker 1: you have the executive authority to do it? Do you
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: need congressional approval? But you know, I'm a huge fan
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: the American veteran and I like them to receive more money.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: And apparently Jnald Trump is going to hand every member
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: of the American Armed Force is a check for one thousand,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventy six dollars seventeen seventy six as
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: a Christmas bonus, calling it the Warrior Dividend. This during
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: last night's address from the White House, that payment said
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: will go one time payment, most notably one point four
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: to five million service members, and he says they're already
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: being distributed. He said, with the checks scheduled to arrive
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: before Christmas. Obviously the amount seventeen seventy six, based on
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: our country's founding. We are heading to the nation's two
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. If that fun fact had
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: escape your attention, he said, I am also proud to
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: announce that one thousand or one million, four to fifty
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: thousand military service members will receive a special we call
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Warrior dif dividend just before Christmas, a warrior dividend in
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: honor of our nation's founding in seventeen seventy six. We
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: are sending every soldier one thousand, seven hundred and seventy
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: six dollars. The checks are already on the way. Nobody
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: deserves it more than our military, and I say, congratulations
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: is to everybody great now. He of course, gave himself
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: credit for having the money because of the revenue generator
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: through tariffs, arguing that stronger trade enforcement and changes in
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: economic policy produced results at exceeded projections. I saw an
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: article reporting the other day two hundred billion dollars taken
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: in so far into the Trump tariff scheme. I use
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: that word anyway, depending on where you look, the tariffs
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: are working really really well or in some cases, they're
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: causing some inflationary problems, not overwhelmingly causing inflation in spite
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: of all the gloomen doom projections. And I too was
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: a fence sitter when I heard Trump started starting to
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: talk about it in implementing tariffs in all these countries.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: But it is bearing fruit across the board, and one
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: of the prices in price increases we've been talking about
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: of late coffee. Oh my god, people have to make
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: coffee at home now because they don't want to spend
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: seventy eight dollars a cup over at Starbucks. Great. I
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: think that's smart anyway, But you know what, it's out
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's hands. There's no tariff on the coffee anymore.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: He got rid of those a month and a half
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: or two months ago, at least a month and a
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: half ago, So that's not causing it. It's environmental problems.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: They're having too much rain and drought conditions where they
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: grow coffee, and there's not a damn thing anybody can
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: do about changing the supply. It is what it is.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Limited number of regions grow coffee, so you're stuck with
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: that one anyway. But the broader question I have is one,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: seven and seventy six dollars. Fine, Okay, you've identified a
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: source of the revenue. Is it tariff revenue? All a
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: pile of money that Donald Trump can decide where it
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: goes because he's promised some of that money to you
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: and I as well. A lot of rumblings and rumors
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: about us each getting about two thousand dollars and as
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: a result of the tariffs that have been levied and collected.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for that one. But power of the purse
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: last time I check rest with Congress. So I don't
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: know that it's politically prudent to object to these checks.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, people of all political stripes tend to have
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: a pretty good amount of respect for the frontline soldiers
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: out there. So I don't know if anybody wants to
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: touch that with a ten foot poll. But I suspect
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: there arguably could be some challenges to the idea of
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: handing these checks out, merely because these distributing money that
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: was collected by the federal government without a specific authorization. Plus,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: of course it came from some peace of legislation that
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with. There's that pesky constitution. Oh and
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: you know, that pesky constitution is run headlong into Donald
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Trump's bombing of boats in Venezuela. Considering bombing Venezuela itself,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I've been calling for an authorization for use of military
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: force from Congress. I've been calling for congressional involvement in
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that again, waging war. Constitution speaks to that. We've kind
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: of gotten around the whole idea of declarations of war
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: in post World War II world with authorizations for use
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: of military force with and then declaration of war since
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: World War Two. But the House did reject a plan
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: to block Trump from using military force against Venezuela just yesterday.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Where does that leave us? I'm asking out loud, six
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: forty five fifty five krs DE talk station, go tankless.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: If your hot water heater goes belly up, you don't
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: need to replace it with fifty five krs the talk
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: station six fifty fifty five krc detalk station. Yeah, you know,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: we're going to the congressional authorization. And I know I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: see to be a lone voice in the wilderness talking
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: about whether or not Trump has the authority to blow
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: up the voats off the south the coast of even
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: as well. I see it seems to me to be
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit beyond the executive power. But that's me
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: just looking at the Constitution. Anyway. Yesterday twenty two eleven
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: to two thirteen vote against a war powers resolution, meaning
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: it failed that would have blocked Trump from using military
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: force against Venezuela absent congressional authorization. Oh, try to do
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: it resolution advanced by Jim McGovern, Democrat out of Massachusetts,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: and yes, Thomas Massey. So it didn't advance, which means
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: what so he's going to continue on his path. We're
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: going ahead and unilatterly bombing Venezuelans. Generally speaking, I suppose
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: at Massey's point, he wrote it on acts, when war
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: making power devolves to one person, liberty dissolves. Congress needs
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: to vote before the president attempts to regime change. On
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: the other side, you have somebody like Republican Florida represented
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Brian mass chairman of the House Born Affairs Committee, saying that, well,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: he does not need permission from Congress to execute, in
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: his words, precise limited strikes. Well, okay, then that seems,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: at least in his mind, that protects him and his
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: ability to vote or to bomb the boats. But that's
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: precise limited strikes would ground operations and an effort for
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: regime change because the Durea government has now been labeled
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: a foreign terrorist operation? Would that be precise and limited?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: It's the rhetorical question anyway. Over the editorial board of
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal talk about self inflicted wounds. Where California
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: is doing it to itself? Why are why is energy
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: so damn expensive in California? It's not Donald Trump, it's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: not inflation. It's their stupid pursuit of carbon emissi or
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: carbon dioxide. So they right. Remember when climate lobby claimed
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: the fossil fuels wuld become stranded assets of oil gas
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: companies should start winding down their business these days. That
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: better describe some green energy investments. Ford Motor Company this
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: week wrote down nineteen and a half billion dollars in
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: electric and vehicle investment. Pulling the plug on the plug.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Pacific Gas and Electric Company fighting California regulators to pull
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: the plug on this costly solar plant known as ivan Pa.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: I've talked about this before, So Mohabbi Desert Solar Project
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: started operating back in twenty fourteen, a two point two
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: billion dollar plant built by investments from Google, NRG Energy,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Bright Source Energy, and thanks to you, a one point
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: six billion dollar loan guarantee from the Obama administration, coupled
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: with a thirty percent federal tax credit and a five
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five million dollar Treasury grant. Those tail
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: end figures are coming compliments of you and your hard
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: work and the money they take from your paycheck and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: of course your children's efforts down the road, because we're
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: paying interest on this borrowed money. Anyway, this plant used
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: what they call embryonic solar thermal technology. Bottom line is
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: you got thousands and thousands of mirrors that focus sunlight
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: onto a giant tower. But what happened was, since it's
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: been operating since twenty fourteen, they found out this is
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: not a very efficient way to generate power from the sun.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: There are more efficient ways. We've got newer technologies. We're
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: losing money on this. The power it generates is insufficient
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: and it's very costly. Let's stop doing this. Also described
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: as the world's biggest bird fryer, incinerating thousand and of
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: birds every year who unknowingly fly into the path of
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: this concentrated sunlight and die PGENI earlier this year announced
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: plans to terminate the power purchase agreement with the plant
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: to save customers money step in the right direction. Utilities
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: said it didn't need Ivanpase electricity to meet the state's
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: sixty percent renewable mandate. Again, there's a self inflicted room
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: just by putting a mandate in there for sixty percent
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: renewable generation. But hey, even in spite of that, we
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: don't need this. We don't want this plant. It's too costly.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Solar photovol voltaic projects are the newer wave of technology
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: that produces energy more efficiently. It would provide electricity at
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: a lower cost, although I would argue not as low
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: a cost as as a natural gas fired plant would offer.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: But okay, at least as to this one plant. They're
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing while maintaining the renewable mandates.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Energy analyst Robert Brice calculates that nixing Ivanpak could say
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: the ratepayers about one hundred million dollars a year, not
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: an insignificant amount. No matters, say the energy regulators who
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: work for Governor Gavin Newsom. The State Public Utilities Commission
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: rejected the energy company's plans this month because their plans
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: to get rid of the plant, it risks stranding sunk
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: infrastructure costs. Huh, So the plant was built. It does
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: generate some electricity, although inefficiently, and a significant increase for
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: the taxpayers. But because it's built, we're not going to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: let you stop running it. It's built, so ratepayers spend
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars to connect to the plant
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: to the grid. Now the state plans will force them
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: to keep subsidizing the project, which wasn't economic even with
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: a tower of government handouts. Their words not mine the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: props of them for writing them. They say, four it
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: took a right down on evs to cut its losses.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: California regulators want to make ratepayers pour good money after
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: bad one of the reasons electric rates in California are
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: the second highest in the country after Hawaii, that has
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: its own regulated imposed mandates with little regard to cost.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Self inflicted wound. Does it have to cost that much
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: your energy? No, it doesn't, and it shouldn't, and this
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: plant should have been built in the first place. We
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: keep running down that road despite of the fact that
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: the vast majority of folks have moved on and away
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: from the whole concept of this global warming crap. Share
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: respondence calling climate and the environment their most important issue
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: dropped from fourteen percent in twenty twenty, it's down to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: six percent. So if all the issues that voters care about,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: six percent think the climate is the most important. Why, well,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: because the climate crisis has run into affordability problems, and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: affordability has won out. Not just here, it's moving that
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: direction in the European Union as well, after their years
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: of self inflicted wounds ruined their economy. Todds Ends or
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• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: interested in what I always like to jokingly refer to
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: as Shenanigan's going on in the city of downtown Cincinnati,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: or is he follows the figures, follows the money, finds
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: out where money is being allocated, most notably those pesky
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: NGOs that seemed to suck up a lot of cash
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: and then don't provide information about what they've actually done
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: with it. So I'm suggesting maybe that those handouts of
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: money rewards for political favoritism. And a little bird told
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: me over the break there, and I was looking for
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: facts or information surrounding why. And this is not related
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: to a conversation we're having with Todd Zenzer. But good
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: to see again, Todd Zenzer, thank you for coming in.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: The dismissal of the murder case against Elwood Jones, after
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: having been convicted and affirmed on appeal through the state level,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: all the way through the federal level. Wondering why it
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: is that Connie Pilach and Judge Wendy Cross decided we
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: were going to ditch this, Wendy Cross issuing an order
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: saying he was entitled to a recal retrial, followed by
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Connie Pillage saying no, we're dismissing all charges against him.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: He's been released. He is obviously guilty. Look at what
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Joe Deeters had to say about it, former prosecutor apparently
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: at the press conference doing this. Iris Rawley was there.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: So I was looking for a political reality of why
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: would they go through all the trouble to to dismiss
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: the charges against this murderer clearly guilty without question and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: basically having Pillage lie to the to her constituents, the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Hamilton County voters who put her in office, distorted the evidence,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: distorted the underlying record yesterday in the press conference. Maybe
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: that's it, Scott iris Rawley's fingerprints on it. I'll let
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: you decide. Moving over, thank you Todd Zenzer for the
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: work that you do on behalf of the taxpayers of
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati. Right out of the gate man.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: What you show, it's really frightening. And let's start with
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: the mayor.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Now, last time you were on the show, you had
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: pointed out that mayor aft have provol is a board member.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Now it's no, you found it. It's on several organizations.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Am I right on that too?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 7: So far that I found okay?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: And under the ethical rules of being a mayor that
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: governed the mayor's office is he an obligated to report
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: where his you know, these board memberships, just as a
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: matter of public disclosure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: The financial disclosures that the Ohio Ethics Commission requires has
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: a section where you have to disclose any other organizations
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: where you have a fiduciary role, which board members absolutely
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 7: have a fiduciary role. And so I actually looked at
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: his financial disclosures in connection with those repossessions to.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: See what is the repossession.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I got those, and when I was looking
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 7: at the forums, this section on fiduciary does not contain
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: his board membership for Centrifeus. And I had three years
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: of disclosure and none of those are reporting his board
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: membership of Centrifus, which I had already found. And then
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: there's a second nonprofit that he is a board member
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: for and they also get money from the city. They
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 7: get about fifty thousand dollars a year an outfit called Compass,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: and Centrifuze has gotten between two hundred and two hundred
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 7: and fifty thousand dollars a year.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: No, okay, I just referenced the NGOs that get money
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: and the question marks swirling around whether or not we
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: get any return for the money they're given. But we
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: all know that money is given to a variety of
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: different non governmental organizations from the city coffers. He sits
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: on two boards of directors for independent companies, the ones
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: that you just mentioned that receive those types of handouts
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: from the city taxpayers. Yes, how I mean that is
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: that is a conflict of interest.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: Well, I believe.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Let mean establish this. Let's point out that does mayor
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Afta Purwalls have some or any say in where these
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: funds are handed to whom these funds are given or
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: handed out. I know the city managers intogrillly involved in that.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: We've been down this process before. But the mayor does
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: have some authority over that, right.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, if you look at the authorities of the mayor
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: and the authorities of the city manager. I have a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: memo that from the former solicitor that basically says that
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 7: the mayor and the city manager share the responsibility of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: formulating the budget. So he's involved in formulating the budget
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: in general that has all of these leverage support payments
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: is what they are, grants is what they call it.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: And then there's a process and I've criticized the city
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 7: council for this to their face, where the city council
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: members and the mayor will recommend additions to whatever the
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: city manager is recommending. For these leverage support recipients, the
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: city council members and the mayor can actually propose adding
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: or subtracting from those amounts. And there's one year, for example,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: where the mayor himself inserts himself in the leverage support
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: for centrifuse, where he adds twenty five thousand dollars to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: the grant level that the city manager had already recommended.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: And he is sitting on their board, on the board
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: effectively voting money or directing money. This isn't even a vote,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: This doesn't require since a council approval majority or otherwise
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  Speaker 1: does it.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's part of the overall budget, so yeah, they
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 7: vote on it. Oh they don't have to vote, Well,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 7: I guess they do vote on the overall budgets.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: So yes, so they effectively stamp of approval. Wait a minute,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: they make a list of ones that they want to
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: get money, these different various NGOs, so city council is
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: involved in that process along with the city manager. And
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: then after they do that, Oh, wait a second, I
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: want to add this company on the list of recipients,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: in this particular case, twenty five thousand dollars to a
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: company that he sits on the board of directors. So
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: they add that. Then council later approves the budget. That's correct,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: which it contains the additions that they didn't recommend in
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: the first place.
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  Speaker 7: That's correct.
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  Speaker 1: So he has complete control and authority over this type
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  Speaker 1: of addition. It sounds like now they could reject the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: budget based upon the addition of that one NGO, but
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: they clearly didn't.
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  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: That is I mean, that's an open and shutcase of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: conflict of interest.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's kind of an ethics one O one thing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean purely. That's why I really wanted to focus
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: on where the authority lies. Who has the authority to
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: ensure that, you know, he well this? So what are
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: you in response to this? I guess supposedly, or I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: suppose to. The first quick question is what action can
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: be taken? I mean, first of all, he isn't complying
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: with his obligations on the disclosures.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Is that actionable? Does that mean is this subjected to
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: exposure to a penalty or a fine or public right
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: condemnation or anything.
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  Speaker 7: All of that would fall under the jurisdiction of the
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 7: Ohio Ethics Commission, and so you know they have they
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 7: have ways to come enforce their rules. And whether or
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: not mister Purval becomes subject to those enforcement efforts is
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 7: a different question.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Well, that requires someone to bring it to the Ethics
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  Speaker 1: Boards attention by way of a formal request or or complaint.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: That would that would be the start of the process.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, is that like a chrisp any kind of
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: thing or uh no.
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  Speaker 7: Any any citizen can file a complaint with.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: The including a citizen watch talk.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they could, he could.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at Utah's insert just asking I see that brain.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: I know, I just ask him for the listening audience.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know where to go with that one.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: That is ethical vote.
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  Speaker 7: What I've well, first of all, I have I have
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: raised this issue to the city Council in public comments
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 7: about how screwy this system is where they make recommendations
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 7: on top of the city manager. And so I told
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 7: him one time, I said, the least you can do
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: is when you send your memos in with these requests,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: the least you could do is have a little attestation
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 7: at the bottom of the memo saying that you do
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 7: not have a conflict of interest with any of these organizations.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: So I made that recommendations earlier this year, or that
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: recommendation earlier this year. We'll see whether they do that.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: But there's no oversight of any of this NGO spending
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 7: the well.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: I suppose their theoretically could be oversight if he accurately
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: filled out his financial disclosure forms, because then the information
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: will be public and it will be in combing perhaps
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: arguably on the city council members when these requests are
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: made to look at the disclosures to find out if
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: he has any connection with the money of the organizations
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: that are getting money. If he's not there, he has
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: no connection. One could logically conclude, that is if he's
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: being honest with his financial disclosure forms. But here we
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: have a situa where he's not right, taking away the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: ability of anybody to check whether this is an etheric violation.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: That's right on paper, Enter Todd Zinzer on paper right now.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 7: With the financial disclosures, no indication that he sits on
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: the board of Centrifuse. But I have confirmation from the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 7: CEO of centrifews that he is sitting on the.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Board fine pivoting over to the other entity where he
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: did disclose he was a board member, they too received
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: money as well, right, which negates my point about the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: city council actually doing its job and checking into these
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: things on its own. Yes.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: Well, here's here's another thing, Brian early On, I asked
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 7: for the financial disclosure forms that they that the officials
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 7: in Cincinnati file with the city, that there's a separate
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 7: financial disclosure that they file with the city. So I
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: requested those, and the city did not give them, give
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: me any of them.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Did they provide you with an explanation of why that
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: information was not forthcoming? Todd's Enzer, Well.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: I can't remember exactly what they say, but they don't.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: They don't give a lot of explanation on public records
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: request and they deny it. It just says it's overbroad,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: or we don't do research for you, or you know,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: excuses like that, it's a problem. This public disclosure or
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 7: this public records request process for the city is terrible.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Which is how it always ends up in court, Yes,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: and how they always end up losing in court. Yes,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: And how that money that they went and fought in court.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Was coming from the taxpayer of the city of Cincinnati.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Litigation is expensive.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 7: Yes, but their first instinct is to withhold, and somehow
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: we've got to turn that around. Their first instinct should
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: be to disclose the records.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Well, we recently had an opportunity to turn things around,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: but one in four voters in the sea just showed
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: up and we know what we got out of that. Yes, sir, massive, massive,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: But let's do it all over again more with Todds Inzer.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: We've got lots more Shenanigans call out right coming up
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: at seven sixteen right now. Todds ins are in studio.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Citizen Watchdog's name of the podcast. He is a Citizen Watchdog.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: You can fall on Facebook, you can listen to the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: podcast produced by Joe Her. Of course Tounzans you would
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: mentioned and I don't want to let it go without
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: following up on it. I think the board membership that
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: after Provol is involved with here, I think is a
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: greater and more problematic problem than after Pervol's personal expense issues.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: But he didn't pay his monthly car payment, resulting in
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: the repossession of his automobile. They actually repossessed it.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 7: That's my understanding.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, that was widely reported, and he even had a
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: press conference following day saying, ah, it was an oversight.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was interviewed. I can't remember who interviewed him,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: but he did make public statements that there was a
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: problem with his auto pay.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Right auto pay. So you set up and it makes
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: an automatic payment. Fine, I'll acknowledge, and I'll just go
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: ahead and admit fine, he has auto pay. But he
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: didn't say, no, my car was not repossessed. I mean,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: that's an admission of fact right there, right, Okay. With
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: that in mind, who out there really truly believed is
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: that he didn't get multiple notices in advance before his
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: car was actually towed away. I mean, nobody wants to
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: tow away a car if it was mere oversight. Oh
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Here's the money from last month, and by
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: the way, here's my payment for this month. Great, we
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: don't have to get a tow truck out there. Yeah.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 7: People I spoke to didn't find it credible.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: So incredible, not believable. Right, Maybe one could characterize that
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: as a lie, if we want to go so far
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: as to put a pejorative term on it.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: You could say that, okay, all right, So here's the
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: thing about this.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: He's looking at the ethical picture here in total. So
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: we're moving from one ethical problem to another, and lying
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: to the constituents to me, is an ethical breach.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: Well, just on the financial disclosures and his failure to
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 7: comply with the rules. There what happens is, let's say
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 7: there's somebody else who has to file financial disclosures who
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 7: haven't done that. It gets caught up in some kind
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 7: of a gratuity issue or bribery issue, and you're not
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 7: going to be able to punt for any of those
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: disclosure problems because all he has to do is point
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 7: to the mayor and say he's he's not complying, why
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: should I comply? So that's one issue. The other issue
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: point the other issue is that it shows everybody that
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 7: we're operating in it catch me if you can operation,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: which is very common where the people heading up these
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 7: public agencies they don't follow the rules and when they're caught,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 7: they say, oh, I'm sorry, I just we won't do
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 7: it again. And that's that's the kind of culture that
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 7: seems to be at play here in Cincinnati, which.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: Is why you're such a thorn on their side. There's
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: so many catch me if you can, things going on
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: out there, and you seem to be the only one
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: that's even interested in getting to the bottom of how
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: they are getting away with it or holding them accountable
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: for violating the rules.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: I really criticize the city council for that because that's
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 7: their job. Their job is to oversee the administration. And
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: for example, on this eight million dollar settlement, not one
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 7: member of city council ask the solicitor, how did you
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: arrive at eight million dollars? How did you arrive at
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 7: twelve or thirteen thousand dollars for each of the members
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: of the class.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: This is the settlement for the curfew violation arrests.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, for the law for the civil rights lawsuit that
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 7: was filed in right, and they're not doing The City
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: Council does not do any oversight that I can see
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: right now. All they do is spend money. That's basically
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: what they do.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Well, using your disclosure rule as an illustration, if you
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: don't know the rules, you're probably not going to comply
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: with them. Is it possible, Todd Zendser that the folks
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: that have been elected to the Cincinnia City Council just
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: really don't know what they're doing. Insofar as they have
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: that responsibility for oversight.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 7: Well, thereby law they must take an ethics course going
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: into their going into their term of office. But in
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: the case of the mayor, I didn't bring up with
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 7: me today, but he actually signed a code of conduct
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: that talks about he has to know the conflict of
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 7: interest rules, he has to go to ethics training every year,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 7: and he has to agree not to retaliate against anybody
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 7: that's blowing a whistle.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, and then at some point there should be a
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: failure to abide by the foregoing result in some consequence.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: What might that consequence be? I know, you said you
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: can report somebody to the ethics board, which probably has
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: been done. If I mean, I'm just saying it out loud,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: some probably has been done, or refer to the prosecutor's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: office or whatever. But is there any accountability in that
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: ethics mandate or edict that he issued.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 7: No, it's it's just to him signing that he will
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 7: do do all that, all.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: Right, see folks seven twenty five fifty five k c
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: DE talk station. We'll find out where in the hell
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: was that ready? Thursday, to you Brian Thomas with Citizen
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: Watchdog Todds Inzer and Studio for the hour, one revelation
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: after another, and Todd you know, I commented to you
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: off the break, I cannot thank you enough for the
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: work that you're doing. It's got it. You're fighting this
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Sissophian challenge to you know, right, the wrongs that are
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: going on each and every day, and you're met with
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: such resistance at every single turn. You didn't follow all
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: of these rules. You were derelicting your duty from way
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: back to this point in time. You ask for the information,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: they resist giving you the information. And then when you
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: when you pully fully pull the carpet out from under
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: them or reveal the facts and information, then they just say, whoops,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's right, and continue to do it in
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: all other areas of government.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: So the first red flag to me was when I
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 7: first started looking at the city. I looked at their
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 7: internal audit operation and on their website it said that
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 7: they do a risk assessment every six months or twice
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 7: a year. So I asked to see that. I put
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 7: a record's request in to see it, and they come
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 7: back and they say, oh, well, we don't do that.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 7: We don't we don't have the re sources to do
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: a risk assessment, which means that they haven't done any
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: work to see what's on the horizon that could hurt
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: the city. That's the purpose of the risk assessment is
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 7: to find out where your weaknesses are that you have
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: to work on to protect the city.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: So spending what I would argue is a small amount
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: of money to protect the financial future of the City
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, generally speaking, has gone by the wayside because
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: they claim they don't have enough money to do that
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: while giving away money to outside organizations, some of whom
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Mayor Burvall sits on the board of directors.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, great, So that was a big red flag
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 7: for me because it doesn't really cost any money. All
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 7: they have to do is go to each department head
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: ask what are your biggest challenges? What are your biggest concerns?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 7: You ask the department heads what risks do you face
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: to complete your work? And you ask each department head.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 7: They give you the answer, you write it down, you
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: issue the report. That's a risk assessment.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't sound like it sounds like a job
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: responsibility that should be done on a day to day
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: activity kind of thing. Doesn't no additional allocation fun absolutely wow, Okay,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: you quite revealing, Todds Ends are moving over to railway money.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: We were promised millions and millions of dollars were rolling
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: on in and the one limitation they have on using
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: railway money allegedly is existing infrastructure. But you've run into
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: some problems with all of that, Todds ins Or, explain
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: that to my listening audience.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 7: Well, most recently, in fact, I just sent a letter
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: to the board yesterday because of this report on Local
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 7: twelve that they haven't they haven't spent a thirty million
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 7: dollars that they're getting for infrastructure work. And the reason
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 7: I wrote to the board is because back in February
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 7: I went to a board meeting and I asked them,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: what are you going to do with the city isn't
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 7: able to spend the money that you dispersed to them.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 7: It's sitting there in the city coffers doing nothing. Why
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: don't you make them justify their request and keep that
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: money in the trust fund until the city actually needs
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 7: the money.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, And when you say their request, who is the
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: they that you're referring to that has the request I
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: just kind of want to get I want to have
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: clear understanding of this how this works.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 7: The city gets an automatic disbursement now every quarter of
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 7: the railway money. Okay, So it goes into the city
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: coffers and it's.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: In a separate pile, a trust fund sort of kind
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: Oh you give me the John decide of suspicion on that.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 7: No, it just goes through the city. They have an account,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 7: they have a line item for it, but they're not
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: spending it all right, and so the I can't recall
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 7: your question, Ryan, So.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: The money requests, where's that coming from? That it has
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: not been dispersed. It's still sitting in the city coffers.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 7: Well, the projects that they planned the fund with that
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 7: money aren't off the ground. They're not incurring any cost yet,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 7: so that money's just sitting there.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. So let's say repaving some road requires a construction
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: crew or an allocation of city construction crew resources. Yes,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: either an independent contractor is going to do the work
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: or the city itself is going to do the work. Right, Yes,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: So they're standing there, presumably waiting for money so they
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: can start work. On the project.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 7: Well, they've got they've already got capital funds that they're
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 7: using that are in the budget, and then this extra
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 7: money they've got projects in mind to use the railroad
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 7: money for those projects, and it's those projects that aren't
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 7: getting off the ground, and it's the money that's not
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 7: being spent, the money to repave the roads. They've got
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: money to repave the roads, and the railroad money is
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 7: a supplement to all those moneys.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Right, that was the joke behind everything, because money's fungible. Yes,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: they have all the tax dollars that come in and
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: a separate source of revenue call it flag tax dollars
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: is railroad money that's going to the same pot. That
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: just gives more money to handle, money to handle the
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: responsibility that the original taxpayer should have done. So that
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: gives them an extra thirty million dollars to play with, right,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: thirty million dollars to play with it. Now they can
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: say no, we're getting railroad, we're getting road repair from
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: that thirty million dollars that the railroad produced because that's
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: existing infrastructure. But that takes the weight off the budget
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: by thirty million dollars for them to go out and
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: fund some goofy brand new projects taught. That's exactly right,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: that's how it's working as far as I can tell. Yes,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: have they identified the road projects that have yet to
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: be funded that aren't being done right now that you're
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: referring to a moment ago? I mean, are you if
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: you looked at them when you say, yeah, that's existing infrastructure.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: What are we being denied because of this sort of
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: hold on the fund distribution.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's just a matter of the city doesn't have
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  Speaker 7: the infrastructure or the processes and the empower and the
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  Speaker 7: contracting to get all this money working. So it's just
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  Speaker 7: sitting there until the city can get its act together
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  Speaker 7: in terms of you know, the bidding of contracts and
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  Speaker 7: uh A, purchasing of materials and it's it's all in
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  Speaker 7: the it's all in the queue, and they haven't actually
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  Speaker 7: spent the money.
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  Speaker 1: Yet because they don't have the resources to do their job.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, they they they don't. They don't have the infrastructure
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  Speaker 7: in the city to spend all that.
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  Speaker 1: That's like your foyer request. Yes, yes, for documents. They
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  Speaker 1: have a legal obligation to produce them. I'm sorry, we
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: don't have the resources to comply with the law. Well
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  Speaker 1: that's a really convenient way of getting around the law,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it, Todd.
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  Speaker 7: Right, So what I've been saying is that they they
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 7: turn back money every year from the capital Account that
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  Speaker 7: they have not been able to spend because of their
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 7: you know, bad processes and things like that. So they
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 7: already can't spend the infrastructure money that they had in
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 7: the general fund. And then you're going to layer railroad
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  Speaker 7: money on top of that, and they don't have the
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 7: infrastructure to spend that either. And that was a big
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 7: argument of ours for why we shouldn't be selling the railroad.
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  Speaker 1: Jeez, this gets worse the longer this conversation goes. Todd,
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  Speaker 1: I just am really struggling with trying to find some
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: positive and there apparently there are none.
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  Speaker 7: Well, they did pay Sunset, Brian, they paved Sunset.
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  Speaker 1: I know they had money for that after all these
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  Speaker 1: many many years, decades even Yeah, thanks for doing that.
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  Speaker 1: And you no longer have me to be able to
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: complain about that. I still have the gift that keeps
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: on giving along the complaint lines. The street car. Maybe
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Todd knows something about maybe a new leg of the streetcar,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: because there's been a lot of rumblings about that one
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: going on seven thirty seven right now, if you have
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: krc DE talk station, imported cars, whether they're from Asia
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  Speaker 1: or Europe, Chuck Ingram, fifty five KRS deep talk station
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  Speaker 1: seven forty you came up with seven forty two fifty
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  Speaker 1: five KRCIT talk station. Brian Thomas with Citizen Watchdog Todds,
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  Speaker 1: I stick with the parameters of this budget. I think
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  Speaker 1: I personally was a little confused because I was thinking,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: like the federal government's budget this sticking with the thirty
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: million dollars. So the Railroad Trustee Board allocates the proceeds
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  Speaker 1: and gives the city a Sincinnty the thirty million dollars. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the city has budgeted certain programs during the budgeting process
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: for the prior year. Where that money is going to go,
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  Speaker 1: as you've explained it based upon their inability to get
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: these projects off the ground, issuing RFPs, going through the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: process of you know, selecting contractors whatever. They don't have
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: the resources to do that, so the money remains unspent. Yes,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: moving into the next county year. The federal government and
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: the way their budget process works, it's use it or
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: lose it.
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  Speaker 7: That's absolutely correct.
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  Speaker 1: You have to spend the money during that fiscal year.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. That's not the case for the city.
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  Speaker 7: No, that's not so.
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  Speaker 1: The money remains in the account.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Is the city under an obligation in the following year
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  Speaker 1: the new budget to honor the commit it's made under
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  Speaker 1: the prior year budget to do those certain projects that
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: were identified or is that Can they start from scratch?
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  Speaker 7: Well that's a good question, Brian. I think they can
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: basically move that money to whatever projects are the priority
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  Speaker 7: at the moment. And what I suggested to the board.
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  Speaker 1: This week the trustees that monitor the investment from the
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: railroad sale that board, that's right, not one of the
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: ones I after have pro ball sitting on. Sorry, had
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  Speaker 1: to make this is this is.
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  Speaker 7: The railroad the railroad board. What I suggested this week
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  Speaker 7: is that they adopt a draw down system like the
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  Speaker 7: Federal Highway Administration has, where the states come in and
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 7: they draw down money from the federal government account as
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 7: they need it. They don't get all this money up front.
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  Speaker 7: They have to put claims into the federal government to
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 7: draw down money from their account.
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  Speaker 1: It's like an attorney working off a retainer. Yes, get
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: a lump sum upfront. You can only draw money after
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: you've done the hour's work. Right.
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  Speaker 7: So what I suggested to the board in a letter
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  Speaker 7: this week is that they adopt a drawdown system where
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 7: the city has to come and make specific requests for
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 7: specific sums of money for specific projects, and that's when
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 7: the Board can transfer money to them.
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  Speaker 1: Because the issue is not ripe for transfer of money
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  Speaker 1: until they have a set in stone project, that's right,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: funding parameters.
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  Speaker 7: Until until they have something they're going to spend that
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  Speaker 7: money on in a timely way. That money should stay
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  Speaker 7: in the trust fund earning returns or.
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  Speaker 1: Earning Yeah, that's the other that's the benefit from that.
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  Speaker 1: Not only does it make them you know, you pay
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: money owly for projects that are actually working and being accomplished,
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  Speaker 1: but you continue to earn interest.
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  Speaker 7: Right, the money should either be working on the infrastructure
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: or working by earning gains in the trust fund.
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  Speaker 1: Have you heard back from the board on that concept.
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  Speaker 7: No, I just sent the letter the other day.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, do they do you think they have the ability
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  Speaker 1: to implement a drawdown procedure along those lines?
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely, that's my read of it anyway.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, So this isn't intruding on Cincinnati Council's authority
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: to choose projects or to pick whether to allocate where
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: the funds go. It just merely is demonstrating to the
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: board who's got the money, that there is a specific
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: project the money is going to.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 7: So the board has some very good lawyers that are
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 7: sitting on the board. So I don't want to tell them,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 7: you know, legally what they can and cannot do, but
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 7: they should. They have a fiduciary duty to make sure
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 7: that they are earning the maximum amount they can earn
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: in that account. And by giving money to the city
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: that the city isn't in a position to spend, you know,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 7: they're losing that earnings.
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  Speaker 1: Huh, which might give rise to a cause of action
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: by any sinsinni taxpayer for breach of fiduciary duty.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, there's another lawsuit somebody out there, and the
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: audience can key contia.
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  Speaker 7: So I'll let people know what they tell me, if
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 7: they tell me anything. But the next meeting of the
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 7: trust board is in February. So in fact, what I
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 7: I think I posted it last night on my Facebook.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 7: I went to the meeting in February of this year
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  Speaker 7: of twenty five, and I raised the issue of the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 7: inability of the city to spend the money that the
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: board was transferring to them. I said, you, you can't
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 7: transfer money to the city and have it just sit there. Right,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: So they didn't do anything back in February. We'll see
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 7: if they do anything.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: Now, don't hold your breath. We really like you and
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: what you're doing for the city. In spite of the
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: fact it's a thorn in the well. Am Ayor's side
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: is as much as any of the the council members
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: and the city manager. Seven forty six right now more
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: one more with Todd sendsers stick around QC Kinetics, will
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  Speaker 1: QC Kinetics saw talk station seven fifty have kr C
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  Speaker 1: de talk station Brian Thomas Todd Zinser and probably just
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: scratching the service of all the issues going on in
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: downtown Cincinnati that Todd is writing. Heard over. He busily
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: writes letters issues for your requests and waits and waits
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: and waits and waits and waits for them to say,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we don't have time to do it. Kind
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: of just summarizing your life over the course of the
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: past year. Todd's enser one of the things you mentioned
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: on the break, You've got the ongoing issues. Those are
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: issues you've advanced, you've sent letters, you've brought to the
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: public's attention, waiting for follow up, waiting for resolution. So
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: you're keeping track of the ongoing and I presume ever
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: growing lists. But then you also have, like into the future,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: what you want to look into. So there's that list
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: projects you need to get to. But then you start
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: as you become more and more popular and more widely
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: known for what you are doing, this value to the
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: city that you provide, people are bringing more things to
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: your attention. Yeah, so you can I summarize by saying
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: you're feeling a bit overwhelmed with a number of issues
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: that need to be looked into.
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  Speaker 7: Todd, Yeah, I think one of the things I have
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 7: to do is manage people's expectations about what exactly we
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 7: can look into here, because we really don't have any
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: authority to you know, go into places and talk to
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 7: people like I did when I was working. But yeah,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 7: there are people that they have their own oversight questions.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 7: You know, the courts for example, and the criminal justice issues.
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  Speaker 1: Big topic this morning, It is a big.
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  Speaker 7: Issue for people there are people that have have their
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 7: own lawsuits against the city that they're calling me about for,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 7: you know, for my take on their efforts and things
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 7: like that. I've got a phone call today and I
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 7: got a phone call tomorrow with some folks. So there's
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 7: things going on and I just have to do what
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 7: I can really well.
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  Speaker 1: And that leads me to ask you about the process
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  Speaker 1: of your starting this five oh one C three entity
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: to do this type of work under the umbrella of
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: an of for profit company. The Cincinnati Oversight Project is
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: I believe that's what you've named it.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 7: That's what I've named it, and the I want to
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 7: kind of model it after a Judicial Watch if you
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 7: if you're familiar with that organization, and you know, a
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: lot of their work is getting records out of the
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 7: government that disclose what's really going on. So that's that's
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 7: part of the effort. The other effort is to have
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 7: a platform to start talking to people about the value
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 7: or benefits of having an oversight organization within the government
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 7: here in Cincinnati, like they do in a lot of
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 7: states and they do in a lot of municipalities.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: That's what we have, Inspectors General, right.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 7: That's correct, and you know that if you've seen one
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 7: inspector general, you've seen one inspector general. They're all kind
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 7: of different. And so Cincinnati is in a position to
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 7: build their Inspector General operation from the you know, from
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 7: the get go, and improve the oversight of the city's operations,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 7: including the city council operation and the and the mayor.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Well, why would they want to expose themselves to something
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: that their own internal Inspector General office would expose.
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  Speaker 7: That's exactly right, Brian. And that's why you don't have
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 7: them everywhere, because there's a lot of resistance to that
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 7: type of oversight even when they even when they established
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 7: those oversight offices. For example, I interviewed for a position
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: out West one time for a transit authority IG, and
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 7: I went into interview and their proposal gave the IG
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: no authority. No investigative authority was in the statute. And
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 7: I told them that that's not that's not going to
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: work out. Got my teeth, And so they selected a
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 7: woman who was friends with the governor, and she wound
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 7: up quitting over that issue. In a couple of years,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 7: they got in she got into a dispute with the
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 7: board and they weren't cooperating with her, and she didn't
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 7: have any authority to press.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm guessing that you know, if you start the
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati Oversight Project, you get your five oh one C
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: three status, you're going to need some help. Is this
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: an invitation for people who are interested in doing the
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: type of work you're doing, to help you deal with
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: all these challenges, including all the items that you have
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: on your to do list.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 7: Well, eventually the answer would be yes. And you know,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 7: I haven't really decided whether it would be a five
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 7: oh one C three or five O one C four.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 7: I'm inclined to maybe not do a five oh one
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  Speaker 7: C three because the donors for the five oh one
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 7: C three are public and five oh one C four
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 7: donors are not public. And I'm thinking that people that
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 7: want to donate and get greater oversight of the city
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 7: may not want to have their name out front like that.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 7: So I'm those are the kind of things I'm right,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 7: I'm looking at.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look at Signal ninety nine, and they did a
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: background check on her and she wasn't even living in
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: the greatest Cincinnati area at the time. Why do they
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: do that? Why do they rifle through her records while
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: she was an employee of this insant police department, because
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: she's made posts online and she annoyed our elected officials. Right, yeah,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: you set yourself up with a crosshair. When you do,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: you know, open your mouth. And that's why we're proud
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: of you and happy with what you're doing, because you'll
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: take the slings and errors from these clowns and you're
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: identifying all the issues that will justify me calling them clowns.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: How's that, Todd?
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 7: That's fine.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Well, it.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 7: Provides a more healthy government if you have outside or
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 7: independent people giving that third party view of what the
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 7: operations are doing.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Todd Endzer, keep up the great work. A very merry Christmas,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Happy holidays across the board. Well wishes for you and
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: your family. I know you and I'll be talking a
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: lot throughout the next calendar year. You're always here, welcome
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: here on the fifty five Carecen Morning Show to bring
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: further to the public's attention the stuff you're doing each
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: and every day. Follow Todd on Facebook, just look for
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Citizen Watchdog and regularly check up on his podcast because
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: you will remain enlightened throughout the year. Todd, I don't
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: end for you, but I appreciate you. Thank you, Brian.
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  Speaker 7: Merry Christmas to you and everybody out there.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Thanks much. Seven fifty six fifty five cars to DETALX station.
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• 1:43:21
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  Speaker 1: me the aviation next word, Jay Rattle. A whole bunch
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: of topics talked about with Jay, which is always the case,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: and I thoroughly enjoy having him on the program. Jay,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: looking forward to talking with you. Coming up in a
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: half hour. I always enjoy talking with you as well.
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  Speaker 1: You can call. Phone lines are open five one, three, seven,
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• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: t phones. Of course, A big story of the morning
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: was this dismissal of that crazy case against Elwood Jones.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: Case wasn't crazy. The jury convicted to be on a
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. It's been through the appellate process all the
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: way through the state appellate process. Then his lawyers filed
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: motions in federal court seeking additional records that went through
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: the entire pellate court process and amazingly ended up landing
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: in Judge Wendy Cross is I think on remand I
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: really wish I knew that item, that element of it.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: Because Judge Wendy Cross had a land back in her lap.
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  Speaker 1: This is after thirty years. This man was convicted and
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: has been locked up for thirty years brutally beat a
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: woman to death. Her name Rondon Nathan. Happen in an
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: apartment building. He in a I guess hotel. He had
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: a master key to the room, broke into the room
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: after he saw the other two occupants of the room
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: go to the restaurant and thought it was empty. Found
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Rondon Nathan and they were wearing only a towel, beat
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: her to death. They had evidence about her having hepatitis,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: and there was a testimony that was advanced by the
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: defense attorney from the defense attorney's expert for Elwa Jones,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: saying only a thirty three percent chance that Jones would
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: have contracted hepatitis B from beating Rond and Nathan to death. Now,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: the Judge Wendy Cross said that that was exculpatory evidence.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: In other words, he was essentially found not guilty because
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: there's no way because he didn't contract hepatitis, than therefore
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: he couldn't have been the one to beat her. But no,
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  Speaker 1: that's not anything like what the defense expert said. He
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: had a one in three chance of contracting it. Well,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: that is not exculpatory. It is something for a jury
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: to consider. And there was other evidence too. They claimed
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: that records were withheld, but the records were out there,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: and that element was reviewed by federal courts as well.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: All of the evidence that they allegedly withheld had nothing
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: to do. There was nothing in there that was exculpatory.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: And of course Supreme Court Justice Joe Dieters was prosecuted
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: at the time, and he wrote a scathing letter to
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  Speaker 1: Connie Pillage for dismissing the case after Wendy Cross said
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: he was entitled to a new trial. He'd asked for
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: that previously. So confusing how it landed up in front
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: of her. But even more baffling and confusing is why
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: Connie Pillage dropped that after all these successful prosecutions and
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: successful appeals, nothing's changed except she came out yesterday and
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: basically lied about the evidence that actually was presented, I
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: mean lies called out as such by our friends Signal
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: ninety nine out there former police officer summarizing the information.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: But Joe Dieter's letter dated December seventeenth to Connie Pillage
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: walks through all of the evidence and he's in sensed
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: that this man was dismissed. That is, he is now
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: walking out on the streets and is not subject to
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: prosecution anymore. So the crazy thing is, why, after all
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: this time, why is Edward Jones out on the street?
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: What drew this to Connie Pillag's attention as a case
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: that needs to be dismissed rather than retrying them based
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: on the same information, an exercise that shouldn't have had
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: to happen in the first place. I don't know. Demonstration
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: of Well again, we go back to nefarious or stupid.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: Some are drawing a conclusion that perhaps it's an illustration
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: of both. Anyway, Tomorrow is Tech Friday. Go ahead, sweat bullets, folks.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure and are clear what the benefits
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: of membership are. But Shiny Hunters described as a notorious
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: hacking group. Maybe Dave Dave Hatter will talk about this
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: one to Mark, because there's two components of this. First off,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: the fact that Shiny Hunters, the notorious hacking group, well
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: cracked into porn Hub, apparently a very popular pornography site
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: based upon the numbers that they say, I show up
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: at porn Pornhub every day a lot, one hundred million
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: annually or something along those lines. Anyway, they cracked into it.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: So if you're a member of Pornhub, apparently the Shiny
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: Hunters hacking group has your information and they are extorting
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: demanding money from Pornhub or they going to release all
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: this information. Actually the group talk to Reuters. I find
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: that particularly baffling. Anyway. I guess they have a company
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: or a notorious hacking group spokesperson. Anyway, they Shiny Hunter
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: speaking with Reuters were demanding a ransom payment in Bitcoin
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: to prevent the publication of pornhub data and dete delete
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: the data. They'll they'll delete what they stole if they
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: get their ransom money.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 8: One.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's that figure. I was thinking about one hundred
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: million daily visits to this one site annually. Thirty six
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: billion people at least log into the site or not
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: log in or at least show up at pornhub dot com.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: I guess that's a thirty six billion and they're you know,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: let me just emphasize, I'm sure you know it as
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: well as I do. Pornhub not the only porn site
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: on the internet. Popular subject that is, which allows me
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: to pivot over. So anyway, there's that extortion element going on,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: and no word for how much they're demanding some of
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: the that the actually has end. They verified that the
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: information was indeed stolen having spoken with a couple of
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: the porn hub members, which means they paid a fee
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: again access to additional material. Those are the folks that
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: have their data stolen. So if that's you and you
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: signed up and paid a fee, you've been exposed or
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: are subject to it. Now pivoting over to Indiana. Now,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: they banned access to pornography for children under the age
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: of I guess eighteen, whatever the date is, there's a
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: ban on that in state of Indiana, one of many
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: states who've been trying to prevent children from getting access
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: to porn. A noble goal, I will admit, but you
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: run into that pesky First Amendment freedom of speech, free exercise,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: right to speak freely, and of course constitutional right to
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: view porn I suppose, but anyway, set up Bill seventeen.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: Last year, Indiana State Center Bill seventeen mandated that websites
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: featuring material harmful to minors have to verify the visitors
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: are eighteen or a bob. So how do you deal
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: with that? Well, rather than checking IDs, the parent company
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: of pornhub, a company called a low aylo whether it
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: matters or not there it is responded saying fine, in
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: order to comply with CENTATEBIL seventeen, We're just going to
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  Speaker 1: pull the plug on Indiana folks accessing the site. So
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: if your IP address reflects that you're an Indiana resident,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: you're not going to get in. Period twenty one years old,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: thirty five years old, ninety eight or under the age
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  Speaker 1: of eighteen, you're not getting in. It's an easy, quick solution.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: But is it a solution? State of Indiana saying no,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: that isn't good enough. Why Because virtual private networks VPN.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: We talk about these with Dave Hatter all the time.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: If you want to appear as though your computer is
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: living or resting in a different region of the world,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: you work through a VPN. You can say I'm in Chicago,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: or I'm in Poughkeepsie, Iowa. There's my friends at Poughkeepsie again,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: or maybe I'm in Belgium or Australia. That's the IP
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: address that the site sees. And so in the case
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: of Indiana, the site sees that you are not in
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: the state of India, so to allow you access to
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: the site. Now, Indiana is now suing this company ALO
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: and others, I suppose because they don't assess the risk
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: posed by virtual private networks. In a section of the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: sue detailing how ILO allegedly violated the age tech law,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: Indiana notes that last July, and investigator employed by the
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: Ohio office and the Indiana or India or the Ohio
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the Office of Indiana Attorney General access pornhub
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: dot Com from Indiana using a VPN with the Chicago,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Illinois IP address. They see that this person's from Chicago.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: It appears access is granted. Now the state argues that
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: because some Indiana residents could use a VPN to get
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: around location based blocks, that they are therefore insufficient to
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: comply with Indiana's age verification law. So they're imposing in
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: an extra layer of obligation on these companies out there
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: to see if your IP address is in fact from
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: a VPN. Now this is again piece of god territory.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know how any given entity out there offering
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: online content could know whether or not that IP address
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: is affiliated with the VPN or is actually a real
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: human being. I guess they have lists out there that
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: say that. But you can see the awful slippery slope
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: this might offer states trying to require social media platforms,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: app stores, and other web services to verify users, ages
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: that could be used to justify sanctioning all types of
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: applications and services for fill into VPNs and other anonymity
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: aiding tools. One of the problems bad for folks in
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: countries or situations where free speech and online could be dangerous.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: You got this really onerous European Union laws. If they
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: implemented something like this, they have no free speech in
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of the world right And if their countries
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: want to say, hmm, these pesky VPNs are allowing our citizens,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: deprived as they are, of information about what's going on
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: in the world, They're allowing them to get the information
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: about what's really going on in the world. They're bucking
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: our propaganda agenda. They're seeing through it and around it
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: because they've got websites that are located elsewhere in the world,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: with reporters actually looking into what we're doing in our
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: country to our citizens. We can't have that. Let's pass
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: the law saying that Internet companies must prevent VPNs from
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: being used. That would be the end of anonymity. That'd
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: be the end of people gaining access to I would
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: argue very important information. And also, of course accessing porn
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: maybe not important information, maybe yes, posing a health to
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: a health risk and a cognitive risk to our young people.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: But what's more important here And if Indiana is going
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: to do it, and if they're successful on this, just
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: wait for it, because it's coming to a theater near
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: you eight seventeen. Right now, we'll see if I can't
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: get data to talk about VPNs and that situation tomorrow
• 1:54:11
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• 1:54:17
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• 1:54:30
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• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: expert Jay rattlif fifty five krs dot com get your
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: iHeart Media app. I don't think there's any age verification
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: request on the IHEARTMEDIAPP. You can't access it. Fifty five
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: cars dot com if you're using a VPN too. Oh,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: and further to tech information, I saw this just the
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: other day, several days ago, Petco. I don't know if
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: you've ever online ordered pet food or supplies or anything
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: like that from the company called pet Petco. They had
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: a data breach and they revealed it the apparently, at
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: least in color if you have a breach involving at
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: least five hundred state residents, you got to tell everybody
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: about the breach. And yes, they did tell everybody about
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: the breach. If you didn't get a letter from Pepco,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: apparently your information has not been stolen. But I found
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: it rather troubling what they say was stolen. Corner reports
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: file with the Texas Terney General's Office.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: Name.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: That makes sense, social security number, driver's license number, financial
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: account details, credit card numbers, and dates of birth. Have
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: you ever had to provide your Social Security number when
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: ordering items online? I never, And my reaction to that
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: was wait a second. I would never provide any one
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: of these companies with my social security information online. Why
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: because the data could be breached. That's one of the
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: most important pieces of information you got out there. So
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: just FYI on that.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 6: But I.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: Don't know that I would go down a road where
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: a company's asking for that, I would never provide it
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: to them. I think, you know, maybe go to one
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: of the competitors like Chewy, or go down to your
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: local pet food store and get the pet food there.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: H And one more little item I wanted to get to.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: You know how I always go on a tear on
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: the global warming challenges we face. Oh my god, bro,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna die at carbon dioxide. This is the kind
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: of thing that really irks me from an attorney perspective,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: just from a logic and common sense perspective. The Philippines
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: and more than one hundred Filipino residents are suing Shell
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: Oil Company, claiming that its historical contribution to climate change
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: from fossil fuel production was a significant factor in causing
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: a typhoon that battered the country. This is four years ago,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: December twenty twenty one, caused the death of four hundred
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: people nearly a billion dollars in damage. That storm did
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: that one storm, So shells responsible for that? Have there
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: been any other typhoons out there in any Yeah, uh huh,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: over time, over history, you can see the record of
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: all the typhoons that have had an impact on the Philippines.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: The group bringing the case against Shell in London, that's
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: where Shell's headquartered, parenthetically, but it will be applying Filipino
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: law trying to recoup the losses from property damage, personal injury, breathing,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: and psychological trauma, arguing Shell is known for decades of
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: burning fossil fuels, contributes to climate change. Okay, information that's
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: been peddled around for years and years. That's how these
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: religion got incorporated into our young people's curriculums at elementary school. Yeah,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: you're learning about climate change. It's all man made. Quit breathing.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: So if you know it and I know it, and
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: we've been hearing about this for the last twenty years.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: Remember coming back to al Gore, We're all going to
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: die by counter of year twenty ten or whatever. Yeah,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: that didn't happen. So Shell also presumably knew all this,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: But they made an interesting point. The spokesperson came out
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: in response to this litigation, this suggestion that you know,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: Shell one of how many oil producing companies. The suggestion
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: that Shell has unique knowledge about climate change is simply
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: not true. The issue is how to tackle it. It
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: has been part of our public discussion in scientific scientific
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: research for many decades. Here's the point I wanted to
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: bring up. This claim also overlooks the benefits energy brings
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: and the decades of choices made by governments, businesses, and
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: consumers that have shaped our energy system. You bought the
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: products plastics, notably, governments bought the oil and the gas
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: to run government, run their own entities, run the American military.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: This is what the technology allowed for. Everybody embraced it
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: and used it regularly. Along comes the argument that these
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: pollutants and these problems are coming from the burning of
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: fossil fuels. You can't get rid of them. They allow
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: society operate. Now, contemplate how many tens of millions of
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: people would have died had we immediately eliminated fossil fuels
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: from the environment. Do you think that typhoon would have
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: not happened? We can all just speculate on that. Is
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: Shell responsible for a typhoon, when millions and millions and
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: millions of people around this globe ord final fossil fuels
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: from a variety of different sources every single day. No
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: shell can't be alone blamed for this. They just have
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: a deep pocket that you can sue. But when you
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: face inflation, and you face the problems that manufacturing is
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: having in Germany and even here, when you face rolling
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: brownouts or blackouts because the windmills aren't spinning and the
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: sun's not shining, we automatically and reliably turn to fossil
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: fuels for our own benefits. And if you take them
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: out of the equation, a lot more people are going
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: to die than that alleged increase in the sea level
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: or the folks that passed and perished sadly so in
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: a typhoon. A twenty six fifty five kc DE talk
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: station Jay Rattler, Thank God for JA He'll be on
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: next Don't Go Away fifty five KRC. The iHeartMedia Aviation
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: Extra Jay Ratler for joining the program every Thursday at
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: this time to talk aviation issues. Welcome back, my friend,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: a real pleasure.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 8: May pleasant good morning to you, and an early merry
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 8: Christmas to you, my friend.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right back at you. This will be our last
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: discussion before the end of the year, since I'm off
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: after the twenty third until the fifth, So we'll hit
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: the ground running in January, and I'm certainly looking forward
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: to that. Already perfect timing. Issue number one, now, the
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: United States admitted liability in the January Army helicopter crash
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: that killed sixty seven people. Helicopter flying right in front
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: of a runway and a plane ran into it. Bad. Absolutely,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: as I understand the way this happened. So the plane
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: or the helicopter flying in this crowded airspace was not
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: using the Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast technology called ADSB, which
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: transmits the location of the aircraft. The system wasn't on
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: because they had a waiver exempting those military helicopters from
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: broadcasting where they were. After that, the FAA required all
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: aircraft in that airspace to use the ADSB technology. Yesterday
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: they passed the nine hundred and one billion dollar National
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: Defense Authorization Act, which removed that obligation.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 8: Unreal, unreal, it is mind boggling. In fact, it was
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 8: so egregious that the chair of the National Transportation Safety
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 8: board actually, and something that's never really happened before was
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 8: commenting on that bill as it was moving towards approval,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 8: saying that to take a step back is ridiculous and rare,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 8: is it. Do you have anyone connected with the NTSB
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 8: that's active that will come out and make that kind
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 8: of a comment. But that was exactly the case, and
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 8: why we are okay and taking a step back still
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 8: confuses me. I don't have anyone yet that's been able
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 8: to say why that's an.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: Okay thing to do.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 8: And it's another indication of many brian where it's real
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 8: easy to say safe, he's their number one priority. Yeah,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 8: blah blah blah, prove it. And when you do things
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 8: like this, it's just you scratch your head thinking these
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 8: are supposed to be intelligent people. We're trying to honor
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 8: the lives of the sixty seven people that were lost
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 8: in January. Why are we not making things safer instead
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 8: of saying, well, that was bad, but you know, we're
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 8: going to make things actually worse than they were. And
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 8: you know, one of the things that investigation really bore
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 8: out in January as we move forward was just how
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 8: many other near misissues and things that we'd had in
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 8: that airspace over the years, and the fact that you
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 8: had so many of these helicopters and other military aircraft
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 8: that were actively crossing the arrival departure runways of so
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 8: many different aircraft, and we had several times where crews
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 8: had to divert their landing and go around and come
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 8: back to another runway. It was such a common occurrence.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 8: It was pretty much a red flag that said this
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 8: is an issue, and we are in essence on borrowed
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 8: time here before something horrific happens. And the situation in January,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 8: there was just a whole number of events that contributed
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 8: to it that you sadly again cost sixty seven lives
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 8: and we don't make things safer. Shame on us.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really, And you one of the weird facts about
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: this and reading the reporting on it, apparently members of Congress,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: House and Senate use those helicopters to get to the
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: airport real quick when they want to go home for
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: Christmas time soccer, and so I know that, and see
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  Speaker 1: that's the first reaction like, oh, they just want to
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: make this so easy for themselves, but that just puts
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  Speaker 1: their lives in more jeopardy because if they're the ones
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: that are using these helicopters more frequently, and I assume
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: they are than anybody else on the planet, with the
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: exception of the military personnel flying them, they just put
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: themselves in greater risks of getting knocked out of the
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: air by an airplane.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, And it's again just another one of those situations
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 8: that just it baffles logic and common sense when you're
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 8: talking about it. But then we're back to managing the
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 8: perception of security more than we are actually security itself.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 8: And it's happened too many times, and I've seen it
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 8: happen more times than I can count over the last
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 8: four decades, and it's just it's frustrating. I mean, I've
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 8: walked out of meetings with the Federal Aviation Administration over
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 8: just that you know, we're having a meeting for the
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 8: sake of a meeting talking about things we talked about
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  Speaker 8: a year ago. There's nothing getting done. So this is
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 8: a waste of time, goodbye. And because it just it
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  Speaker 8: just I don't know. And when you talk about the
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 8: number of people that are behind creating a bill, passing
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 8: a bill, saying that the bill is okay, it makes
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 8: me want to point a finger at every single person involved.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 8: We're not one single person that I'm aware of raised
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  Speaker 8: their hand prior to the National Transportation Safety Board chief
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 8: chair and say wait a minute, this is this is wrong.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 8: We've got to address this now, and I'm hoping that
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 8: something can be done. Where as the outrage obviously grows
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 8: that the Washington d C we have individ jewels that
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 8: are actually going to fix this unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Well. I don't wish ill will on anybody, but maybe
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: if a member of Congress or maybe one of our
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: senators is on one of those helicopters and they are
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: involved in a mid air collision, but perhaps they'll change
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: their mind. Jam Rattelift, I didn't know. I didn't know.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: There are parking tickets for parking and airplane if you
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: forget about it, that and more, we got a bunch
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: of topics to try to run through with Jay just
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: stick around me right.
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  Speaker 7: Back fifty five KRC No One celebrates that the cockpit
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 7: before it.
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  Speaker 1: Jay Rye Left has a thirty nine If you have
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: KCD Talks edition, Jay real quick here on Mark's point,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: he says, what about covert operations? If you got this
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: ADSB hardware going alerting the people to where the the
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: helicopters flying. Well, My responsible was, well, fine, COVID operations
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: may be a reason not to want to use that,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: but that means that the covert operation may not be
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: completed because they got blown up during a plane collision
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: with a plane is the best path that the best
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: path to success may not involve the most direct flight
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: path was my follow up point. Right.
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  Speaker 8: And of course you want to make it the training
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 8: you plays, your practice and practice as you play, so
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 8: you're gonna do everything you can to try to make
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 8: it as it would be during an actual exercise, if
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 8: it was for real. The problem is when you're conducting
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 8: that in amid a crowded airspace with a lot of
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 8: commercial flight activity, you are increasing the risk. Yeah, and
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 8: you know that to me is what's either acceptable or unacceptable.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 8: And I'm always going to air on the side of
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 8: caution and say, if safety is the number one priority,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 8: you know there needs to be some adjustments to prevent
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 8: a disaster from taking place. And we've had one, so
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 8: we've obviously seen the results. We've got to pivot from
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 8: that direction or it's going to happen again.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: Ah, Air India one hundred and twenty thousand dollars parking tab.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 8: Well, yeah, yeah, it's that for some reason, Air India
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 8: needed to park one of their seven thirty sevens at
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 8: another airport, Kolkatta, and it's airport in India and it's
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 8: you know, perhaps they had maintenance scheduled for the aircraft
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 8: and it was parked on a remote part of the
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 8: of the airport grounds there. But shortly thereafter Air India
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 8: had changes in their staffing and management team and apparently
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 8: somebody forgot it was there. Okay, So eventually the airport
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 8: contacts Air India think, you know, how much longer is
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 8: this airplane of year is going to be here? And
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 8: initially Air India said that's not ours and of course yeah,
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 8: they got in essence the ven number if you will,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 8: and said, hey, do you not still own this and
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 8: they said, oh gosh, yeah we do and they said
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 8: that's fine because the parking is so much and since
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 8: it's been here since twenty and twelve, the fee is
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 8: going to be one hundred and twenty thousand dollars in
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 8: Air India paid it and they're removing the aircraft by
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 8: ground they're going to make it part of their training
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 8: facility as far as that type of aircraft because it's
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 8: no longer fit to fly because of all the work
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 8: that has to be.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: Done to it.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 8: But you know, you go through airport parking lot and
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 8: we encountered this a lot at the airports that I
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 8: was connected with, and you would have cars that would
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 8: be parked in the parking lot for years, in long term,
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 8: even short term, and in some instances, you know, you'd
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 8: have to have the cars removed toad try to contact
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 8: the owner. Sometimes it was an individual passed away, individuals
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 8: were running away.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: Have malfunctioning autokay, or it would have been.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 8: Somebody that was involved in you know, some sort of
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 8: legal illegal operation, or it was just a stolen car.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 8: But yeah, it's amazing when you have that type of
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 8: thing where you've got a large number of these but
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 8: you know, one car kind of blends in with the
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 8: rest of them in the parking lot. One aircraft kind
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 8: of sitting there day after day after day, week after week,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 8: month after month, and yes, year after year. I love
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 8: it kind of stand out, I.
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  Speaker 1: Would think, so, I would think, But you know, Air
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: India not even losing track of a multi million dollar
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: aircraft and denying it even owned it. That seems rather
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: peculiar to me, But then again, I don't run airlines, so.
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  Speaker 8: Well, it's easier to say it's not ours than to
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 8: admit craft we forgot about it for thirteen years.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. True, rumors still swirling about Spirit Airlines being on
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: the brink of collapse. What happened to that Frontier thing?
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 8: Well last year, Well, you know, Frontier and Spirit we're
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 8: going to merge years ago, and Jet Blue came in
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 8: kind of pushed him out of the way and we
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 8: had all that go through where eventually then the Spirit
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 8: jet Blue merger didn't come through. In this last weekend,
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 8: you had individuals saying that Spirit Airlines was on the
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 8: brink of shutting down, they weren't even going to get
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 8: through last weekend. Spirit executives quickly commit and said, look,
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 8: we've got some cash to keep us moving. They're in
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 8: the Chapter eleven bankruptcy process, the second time they filed
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 8: in less than a year. And obviously there's concerns, certainly
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 8: for passengers that are coming up on vacations over the
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 8: next two and a half weeks. But right now we're
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 8: also hearing that there's a kind of rekindled conversation that
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 8: have started again between Frontier and Spirit about a possible merger.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 8: Now I'm glad this is going to happen. You and
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 8: I've talked about it before. How I really liked that
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 8: initial merger between the two low cost carriers of Spirit
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 8: and Frontier because their route maps compliment each other so well.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 8: When you overlapped them, there was very few cities that
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 8: were overlapped, meaning those two airlines you would have a
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 8: less reduction of service into airports, a fewer jobs cut,
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 8: not the case with Jet Blue and Frontier. That or
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 8: Spirit that had so many overlapping markets, which is one
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 8: of the reasons it was not allowed to move forward.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 8: So low cost carriers, Brian and I have talked about
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 8: so many times before keep the average low fare down.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 8: So we love low cost carriers. I certainly want to
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 8: make sure Spirit continues flying, and I would love to
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 8: see the merger with Frontier because I think that would
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 8: make them a much stronger carrier. It would keep them around,
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 8: and it would have more low cost carrier seats in
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 8: the marketplace, which is obviously what we want to see happen.
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  Speaker 1: And then and real quick because we have quite a
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: few topics to get to. We won't get to all
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: of them real quick since it evolves. Jet Blue dodged
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: a mid air collision with the US military refueling tanker.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: Briefing on that.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, coming out of carousel the Caribbean Airline near Venezuela.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 8: They're climbing and all of a sudden, there's a US
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 8: Air Force aircraft five thousand feet in front of them,
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 8: same flight path, and they didn't know it was there.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 8: If they had to take evasive action, it was classified
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 8: as possible a mid air situation. From a collision standpoint,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 8: we had five thousand feet separation. Bottom line was that
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 8: there was a minimum there was no there's a breakdown
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 8: in communication from the Air Force to the Federal Aviation Administration.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 8: They couldn't notify the crews because they weren't aware of
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 8: it was there at the time. And you know, luckily
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 8: they didn't get super close. Jet Blue crew did what
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 8: they were trained to do, and we can learn from this,
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 8: so hopefully things can be made safer as we move forward.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like we were supposed to learn from
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: the helicopter plane collision. We just got done talk about it.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 8: But pilots have also been notified in that area. If
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 8: you're flying anywhere around Venezuela a lot of activity, be
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 8: on guard because there are military aircraft from all different
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 8: kinds that are flying and you may not be aware
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 8: of the fact that they're there until you see them.
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  Speaker 1: Great point more with iHeart Media aviation expert Jay ratleft
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  Speaker 1: right after these brief words.
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  Speaker 4: Fifty five KRC fifty five KRC they talk station.
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  Speaker 1: Ay forty eight fifty five KRCD talk station. Very very
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  Speaker 1: happy Friday or Friday Eve to you, love heaving. I
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: heard media aviation expert ja let Rat left on the
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: program program every Friday Eve. And of course you're going
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: to indulge me here for just a moment. It is
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: the Christmas season. You already risk me. Merry Christmas. I
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: wish you merry Christmas. I hope you enjoy the holiday
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: spirit and just have a just a really heartwarming message
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: to pass along. Brian Ibold from the Help Squad Jay.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: If you're not familiar, they help out westsiders and need
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: Christian Faith collaborative. You give the money. You give money
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: to them and they make sure the right people get it.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: Every dollar you give to the Help Squad is a
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: dollar in benefits to someone truly in need. Brian Ibold
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: for since a police officer started the whole thing. He
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: was on the program not that long ago, got a
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: text from him this morning. I received this letter along
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: with one thousand dollars a check for one thousand dollars
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: because this woman, her name is Shannon, was on my program.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: He said thank you for the continued support. So that
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: really warmed my heart. In a shout out to Shannon
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: who or it's either Shannon or Sharon. It's cursive and
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: it's I can't read the writing very well, but she
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: did say she heard about the Help Squad on my program.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: She was thanking him for helping people who otherwise would
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: not get any help. And the thousand dollars contribution, So
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: thank you Brian for passing along the information and to
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: that listener who made the contribution. That kind of thing
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: just warms my heart.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: Jay.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: It's just such a wonderful position to be in where
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: I can spread the information about these great charities out
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: there and how people can get in touch with them
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: and help out. It's just great.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 8: Is that link on your website or it's.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: The help Squad sincey withthey dot com. It's been up
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: many times over the year. It is not currently there
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: because this I just literally got the message from Brian
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: as we're on the brain, I.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 8: Will add to that.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 7: Oh wow.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, the nice thing, Brian is that it's
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 8: this time of year where, you know, there's a lot
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 8: of crazy things going on with all the activities that
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 8: were over committed to do, but it's also a time
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 8: that a lot of us just kind of take stock
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 8: in the fact of just how blessed we are. And
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 8: sometimes it's this or that doing things. And I remember
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 8: when I met Sherry nineteen years ago. We were dating,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 8: and one of the things she was doing with her
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 8: young young sons at the time was when they would
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 8: get a Christmas present a toy, they would take an
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 8: old toy and donate it to someone else. That way,
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 8: when they got something, they were giving something, And it
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 8: was just kind of a type of thing she was
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 8: trying to ingrain into them about being thankful for what
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 8: you have and then taking sometimes even a toy you like,
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 8: and let's donate it to somebody that may not have one.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 8: There you go, and there's just so many people, especially
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 8: in this audience because I hear from so many people
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 8: that have that mindset and they appreciate what they have
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 8: and look, life's temporary, so let's let's make the most
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 8: of it. Be thankful and and you know this idea
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 8: of just not not trying to help you fellow man.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 8: You know, fortunately for a lot of us, that's that's
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 8: a foreign concept. We're gonna do what we can to help.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 8: And I'm glad that you mentioned that that worthwhile organization, the.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: Help Squad, since you with a why the help squadsincy
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: dot com. They are terrific of what they do, focusing
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: on an area that they found was desperately in need
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: for help. So salute all the help Squad folks. And
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: Brian Ibel, thanks again for that latest survey ranking the
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: most reliable and least reliable airports and airlines. Is CBG
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: on that list there anywhere? No, no, no, no, it's not.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 8: But you know, one of the things that they looked
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 8: at was the on time performance. When they looked at
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 8: you know, how different airports do things as far as
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 8: you know which ones are the best or not. And
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 8: when we're coming into the airport the travel season with
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 8: the holidays, One of the things that people ask all
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 8: the time is Jay, what's the best airports to go through?
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 8: And when you look at you know idea as far
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 8: as Orlando being one of the airports, it has one
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 8: of the better on time performances that that's a key
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 8: one to go through a Delta airlines having the best
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 8: on time performance as far as their on time performance
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 8: is also something people look at when they're planning their trip,
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 8: and that's important for a lot of people as they're
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 8: traveling or planning their upcoming trip is which airline airport
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 8: can I count on that I they can give me
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 8: the best chance of being on time. And that's that's
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 8: one of the reasons that these rankings come out all
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 8: the time. When you're looking at you know which airports
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 8: to avoid, which ones to not, and you know that's
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 8: why Delta is normally a number one key and you know,
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 8: even Detroit came in in the top of that list
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 8: as well, which was kind of surprising to me from
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 8: a hub standpoint. And then you know they had other
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 8: airports that were considered the worst. I thought airports like
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 8: Philadelphia Newark would be on the don't go there because
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 8: it's not going to be on it, but they were not.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 8: So Yeah, but again, I'm always asked which airline is
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 8: my airline of choice, and Delta is mine not only
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 8: from the on time performance, but their completion factor is
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 8: higher than others, and that's why when you're traveling through
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 8: the holidays, it's you know, I like having that because
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 8: even if the flight's a little bit delayed, I know
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 8: that they're going to get the aircraft to its destination
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 8: more often than not, and certainly more than others because
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 8: their completion factor is normally in the high eighty percent range,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 8: and that's great when you're traveling, especially over the holidays.
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  Speaker 1: I tend to agree with this statement because I've been
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: through a lot of meetings at work day when I
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: used to work as an in house attorney at Anthem,
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: and of course a lot of meetings in my prior
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: day practicing law. Not as many, though the weekly meeting
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: my wife gets. A weekly meeting gets two hours long.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: She uses that time to do her nails. Paul Oute,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I had to say that out loud, but
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: not a whole lot of activity on the call that's
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: really truly important to her area of work. Nonetheless, has
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: an obligation to attend them. So what did Southwest Airline
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: CEO mean when he said to his team meetings are
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: not work.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 8: Well, a lot of people were saying, I'm busy, I'm
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 8: feeling good about what I'm doing because my schedule's full
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 8: doing these types of things. And Bob Jordan, the head
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 8: the CEO of Southwest said, wait a minute, meetings aren't
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 8: leadership meetings. Aren't us doing our work. We need to
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  Speaker 8: be out there doing our job, not sitting around having
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  Speaker 8: a bunch of especially one on one meetings. He said,
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  Speaker 8: that's a waste of time. And he's trying to change
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  Speaker 8: the focus of Southwest Airlines where you're trying to make
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  Speaker 8: sure that every single individual is doing the most that
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  Speaker 8: they can each and every day to try to help
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  Speaker 8: that airline advance, especially on the customer service side of things.
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  Speaker 8: And he found that a lot of people in his
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  Speaker 8: leadership team were busy in meetings instead of doing other
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  Speaker 8: things that were far more practical. And I remember the
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  Speaker 8: last supervisor I had at Northwest Airlines, he demanded a
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  Speaker 8: two hour conference call every Monday morning, excuse me, the
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  Speaker 8: busiest day of the week. We could tell him what
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  Speaker 8: was going on and it was nuts. So you know,
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  Speaker 8: some people are so meeting you know, yes, sess And
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  Speaker 8: I heard somebody, somebody used to work for me come
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  Speaker 8: in and on my Facebook posts, he said, Jade. People
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  Speaker 8: that have those like to hear themselves talk. And I
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  Speaker 8: think that's probably the case, and it's the perception of
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  Speaker 8: being productive. That's what meetings are. Many times you don't
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  Speaker 8: need to have them. And I told you about the
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  Speaker 8: FA meeting I walked out of in the last segment.
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  Speaker 8: We were talking about the same topics that we were
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  Speaker 8: a year before, and I walked out. I said, folks,
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  Speaker 8: no disrespect, but these are the same talking points we
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  Speaker 8: had a year ago. We've not done anything and it's
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  Speaker 8: a waste of my time and yours. And I let
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  Speaker 8: my boss wasn't too happy when he found out about it.
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  Speaker 8: But you know, the bottom line is the idea of
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  Speaker 8: just having a meeting for meeting's sake, no. And it's
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  Speaker 8: kind of a corporate mindset where some of this is changing.
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  Speaker 8: You're seeing that corporations adopt the same thing, and I
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  Speaker 8: think that's a great thing to do and mind as we.
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  Speaker 1: A conference call was on with attorneys from all over
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  Speaker 1: the fifty states including Hawaii on a tobacco litigation call,
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  Speaker 1: same rehashing stuff that had been over and over and
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  Speaker 1: over and over again. I didn't realize my mute button
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  Speaker 1: wasn't on, my speaker phone was on, and I said
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and the whole conference I just went silent.
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  Speaker 8: Keep your stupid mouth shut.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my moment, one of the most embarrassing
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  Speaker 1: moments I had. But everybody on the call, I assure you,
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  Speaker 1: with the exception of that one attorney that prompted my
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, was very happy that I interjected along
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  Speaker 1: those lines. Jay Ratliffe, real quick, hubblays. Any problems out
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  Speaker 1: there today, real quick?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot of rain unfortunately giving us issues in Chicago,
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  Speaker 8: Detroit's gonna have problems, Atlanta, Charlotte, a lot of issues.
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  Speaker 8: And if you're traveling over the next couple of weeks,
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 8: you've not blown in a while. TSA dot Gov great
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  Speaker 8: sight to go to to make sure you're aware of
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  Speaker 8: any changes that may have taken place since the last
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  Speaker 8: time you flow.
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  Speaker 1: You'll be back in January, Jay raytl if I trust,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to it already. God bless you
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  Speaker 1: your beautiful wife's share. You have a wonderful Christmas and
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  Speaker 1: if you're traveling, safe travels. Man appreciate you coming on
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  Speaker 1: the show. It's a fifty six some of then e
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