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Patriots Unfiltered 1/12: Reaction to Jerod Mayo being Named Head Coach · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention.
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  Speaker 2: This is a Patriots unfiltered emergency podcast. I eat all
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  Speaker 2: of you to stop what you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: And all right, folks, it's official. We're here with an
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  Speaker 3: emergency podcast. We got to bout a littlettle cold. We
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  Speaker 3: got Tamara, Evan, Paul and Paul on the last time
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  Speaker 3: we did an emergency podcast, I feel like maybe it
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  Speaker 3: was like COVID, like it's been a long it's been
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  Speaker 3: a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Like Cam Newton. I don't know. I thought the emergency
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  Speaker 1: was you being under the weather.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's it was an emergency. But I'm all right here,
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  Speaker 3: you guys are here, and of course we're here to
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  Speaker 3: talk about Jro Mayo, who was announced just recently by
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots officially as gonna be the fifteenth head coach
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  Speaker 3: of the Patriots. So big news, and I guess the
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  Speaker 3: biggest part of it is just that there was a
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  Speaker 3: succession plan built in and you know it's I mean,
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  Speaker 3: obviously we're gonna get into all of that, and please
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  Speaker 4: Dot com with your questions. But guys.
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  Speaker 3: For me, it's just I think the interesting thing was
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  Speaker 3: and reports coming out talking that this was put in
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  Speaker 3: place and that maybe there was some tension with Bill
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  Speaker 3: and Gerrod. I mean, I guess in retrospect, it makes
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  Speaker 3: it sound like Bill Belichick was a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: a lame duck this year. Maybe it wasn't supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be this year, but just off the top, what are
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  Speaker 3: what are your thoughts? I guess I joke with you, Paul,
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  Speaker 3: You've been here the longest you've seen and this is
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  Speaker 3: your I mean, what.
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  Speaker 2: Know your likes? Termmind you how old you are? Whenever
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  Speaker 2: he has.
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  Speaker 1: As I mean, I think that that seemed to be
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  Speaker 1: where everything was headed. I'm not overly surprised that there
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  Speaker 1: was actually a clause in the contract according to NFL
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  Speaker 1: Network that that sort of set this all up as
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  Speaker 1: an official succession plan. And if you think back to
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  Speaker 1: some of the things that were said in the off season,
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  Speaker 1: I think Robert Kraft actually used the term air apparent
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  Speaker 1: at one of his I want to say the owner's
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  Speaker 1: meetings in Arizona, but one of his off season debriefings.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that this is the plan, maybe
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  Speaker 1: a little bit sooner, as you said, Mike, than they
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  Speaker 1: wanted to. But this is the direction that the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: were headed as far back as last year at this time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I already published on Patriots dot com, so
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  Speaker 2: you can read the actual quotes. But I think the
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  Speaker 2: biggest thing for me is to stress that this is
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  Speaker 2: not simply Bill two point zero. Like Girodmeyo is a
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  Speaker 2: very very different type of coach than Bill. He was
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  Speaker 2: described to me by multiple players as a player's coach
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  Speaker 2: several times, like and not prompted or anything like that
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  Speaker 2: by other people. This is somebody that obviously played following
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  Speaker 2: that model that's been successful around the league, and I
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  Speaker 2: would say is a total opposite personality wise of what
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  Speaker 2: they had with Bill Belichick. So in some ways I am,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll talk about it like the concerns are legitimate
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  Speaker 2: about I think kind of like what Paul has brought
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  Speaker 2: up a lot, is this going to change how they
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  Speaker 2: philosophically try to win football games? And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the biggest question that Jirod's going to have to answer,
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  Speaker 2: is are you trying to win three to nothing or
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  Speaker 2: are you willing to have an offense that is able
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  Speaker 2: to win games, But in terms of him as a
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  Speaker 2: coach and him as a person, a much much different
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  Speaker 2: personality than what the Patriots had with Bill Belichick. If
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  Speaker 2: you look at Bill Belichick as like a disciplinarian type
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  Speaker 2: of head coach, I would look at girod Meyo as
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  Speaker 2: a player's coach. So they've completely changed gears in terms
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  Speaker 2: of that style.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think, Tomara?
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  Speaker 5: I personally love it. I think that it's going to
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  Speaker 5: bring like a fresh look to the team personally, and
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  Speaker 5: for me being from his hometown and just seeing my
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  Speaker 5: entire city like light up with this news. I'm excited
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  Speaker 5: to actually go home for my mom's birthday so I
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  Speaker 5: can get the newspaper and see what it says, cause
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure he's going to be on the front.
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  Speaker 2: But just seeing the.
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  Speaker 5: Players excitement today of the news, just how excited they
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  Speaker 5: were all over social media, Like you even have free
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  Speaker 5: agents that are allegedly excited to come back because of
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  Speaker 5: that news. I think that says a lot about who
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  Speaker 5: he is as a person. Like Evan said, and I
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  Speaker 5: think just through numerous press conferences with him and with
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  Speaker 5: guys talking about him, I think they are fully support him.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that if they set the table appropriately
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  Speaker 5: for girod Mail, he can have a great, hopeful first year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, I think guess that's the question
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  Speaker 3: now is who sticks around from the staff? You know,
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  Speaker 3: is there a GM higher do they begin interviews? I
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  Speaker 3: know Ian Rappaport put out you know, a list of
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  Speaker 3: potential GM candidates. Adam Peters I think just signed with
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  Speaker 3: the commanders. He was one. And now it's really just
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  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, for me, I love job Mayo,
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  Speaker 3: we have you know, a little bit of a relationship
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  Speaker 3: with him. I'm not blown away right now, like I
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  Speaker 3: kind of want to see what happens on the offensive
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  Speaker 3: side of the ball. To your point, I mean even
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  Speaker 3: more than like what's his philosophy? What kind of guys
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  Speaker 3: is he going to surround them with? And I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I guess the positive for me is that the defense
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  Speaker 3: is going to kind of stay intact the way that
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  Speaker 3: they run the defense. But I have real questions still
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  Speaker 3: about is what are they going to do with the
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  Speaker 3: GM position and how are they going to staff the
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  Speaker 3: offensive his team? Are they going to keep it kind
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  Speaker 3: of the same. Are they going to allow Billy Oh
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  Speaker 3: another year to maybe hire some different staff, and I
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  Speaker 3: just at this point, I'm just wondering how much are
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  Speaker 3: they going to run it back with what they've kind
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  Speaker 3: of had. And I think, Paul, you made the point
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  Speaker 3: early in this process.
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  Speaker 1: If you're just.
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  Speaker 3: Getting rid of Bill and you're bringing everybody else back,
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  Speaker 3: isn't that you're just kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Taking on too Billays? Just keep Bill so you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, Like again, I come from a place of excitement
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  Speaker 3: that the defense stays intact. I like jabmeyo, we all
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  Speaker 3: have a relationship established with him. But is this going
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  Speaker 3: to make the Patriots better and be able to get
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  Speaker 3: back to a level I still feel.
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  Speaker 4: Kind of like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I personally do not feel like it's going to be
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  Speaker 5: ran back at all. Like I feel like just from
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  Speaker 5: listening to Robert Kraft yesterday and talking about how he
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  Speaker 5: even from like the fans to even the way he
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  Speaker 5: feels about losing the way they've been playing the last
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  Speaker 5: three years, like not acceptable. So I think just to
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  Speaker 5: change the person who's in charge but keep everything the same,
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  Speaker 5: I think that would be really stupid. And I don't
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  Speaker 5: see mister Kraff as a stupid guy, And so I
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  Speaker 5: fully see the whole offensive side being completely blown out
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  Speaker 5: and made Now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I also just think with the Bill thing, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, yesterday talking to people and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: like they the timelines didn't match up with Bill Belichick anymore.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this is a seventy one going on, a
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  Speaker 2: seventy two year old man, and the Patriots are going
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  Speaker 2: into a full scale rebuilt, especially on the offensive side
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  Speaker 2: of the ball. They're gonna have a young quarterback, a
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  Speaker 2: new quarterback most likely, They're gonna have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: different personnel on the offensive side of the ball. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that for Bill, he was looking for probably
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  Speaker 2: two three years, maybe go after Shula, compete in the
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  Speaker 2: short term. And I think for the Crafts and for
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots, they were looking at it as more of, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're trying to build a sustained winner. I think in
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  Speaker 2: twenty one they threw a lot of money at the problem.
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  Speaker 2: They drafted a quarterback in the first round, and they
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  Speaker 2: went for the instant gratification and it worked to an extent.
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  Speaker 2: But then obviously we saw what's happened since. So I
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  Speaker 2: think in a lot of ways, you know, why not
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  Speaker 2: just keep Bill. I think the big reason is that
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  Speaker 2: they are looking at this as more of a long
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  Speaker 2: term play where we're looking at Mayo being here through
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  Speaker 2: an entire rebuild, but not like in twenty one, like
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  Speaker 2: an actual rebuild, and it could be a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years until the Patriots are truly championship caliber. And if
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  Speaker 2: you're Bill Belichick, you build the Patriots back up. Let's
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  Speaker 2: say he hits and everything goes all sunshines and rainbows
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  Speaker 2: in the offseason. You hit on a quarterback, Realistically, you're
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  Speaker 2: probably not a championship caliber team until Bill's seventy four,
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  Speaker 2: seventy five years old, and then it's kind of like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: well then what now he's gonna leave and everything, So
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  Speaker 2: I retire at that point. So I think that that's
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  Speaker 2: a big reason why. And in terms of the staff,
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  Speaker 2: I think the one person that could stay from the
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  Speaker 2: front office is Elliot Wolf. I think there's a really
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  Speaker 2: good chance that he's the next general manager of the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people are gonna sit
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  Speaker 2: there and say, well, that's not change, but I think
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  Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf is somebody that has been outside the organization.
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  Speaker 2: This is not somebody that I grew up in Bill
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  Speaker 2: Belichick's shadow and did everything with you know, the Belichick
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  Speaker 2: way for the last twenty years, like a macro or
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  Speaker 2: something like that. He has had other jobs, other stints
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  Speaker 2: in the league before he came here, and I think
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  Speaker 2: he was doing a lot of the especially on the
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  Speaker 2: pro personnel side of things, a lot of the general
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  Speaker 2: manager type stuff over the last couple of years. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: since Dave Ziegler left.
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  Speaker 3: My question would just be, though, if it is Elliot Wolf,
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  Speaker 3: is you know, we'll get a look at how much
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  Speaker 3: is this like Bill overriding his scouting department? And you
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  Speaker 3: know that was part of the Breer story yesterday where
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  Speaker 3: he kind of brought up aj Brown and Teebo Samuel
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  Speaker 3: being a little bit too loosey goosey on their trip
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  Speaker 3: for Bill's liking. They ended up with Nikhil Harry. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we just we've talked about it in the show recently.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know exactly how you divide it all up
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  Speaker 3: of you know, was Elliot Wolf coming up with great
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  Speaker 3: picks from the last couple drafts and he was overridden
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  Speaker 3: by Bill? Or are these Elliot Wolf's guys already that
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  Speaker 3: we've been seeing in the last gume.
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  Speaker 1: I do always love those thing and this is probably
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  Speaker 1: better for our regular weekly shows on PU. But I
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  Speaker 1: do love those stories about you know, the sources that
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  Speaker 1: tell you about you know, this is the guy we wanted,
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  Speaker 1: but this is the guy that Bill died. You know,
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  Speaker 1: always after the fact, it's never about the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the anonymous scout who tells you, you know, the guy I
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  Speaker 1: really wanted was Nikhil Harry, but you know, unfortunately the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots took him instead. I never got to pick him.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It's always oh yeah, you know, Deebo, Samuel
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  Speaker 1: and A. J. Brown, those are the guys, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I just find it interesting they were too loosey goosey
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  Speaker 1: in their visit. But yet Rob Gronkowski famously fell asleep
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  Speaker 1: during his and they and they, you know, they they
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  Speaker 1: drafted him. So, like I said, I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of truth to those stories. I'm not telling you
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  Speaker 1: that I don't believe that the story. I just think
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you have to try to identify where the quotes
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  Speaker 1: are coming from, in the angles that they're coming from.
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  Speaker 1: The bottom line is the burd Brear story. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If you guys read Mike Reese's piece about Reese's pieces,
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  Speaker 1: you see what I did about the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: whole dysfunction. Dysfunction is the word, and to me, that's
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  Speaker 1: why I think you said to kind of set up
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  Speaker 1: like a lame duck year for Bill Or was that Mike?
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  Speaker 1: Is that you sorry? I think Mike's piece sort of
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  Speaker 1: indicated that you know that this was a year early.
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  Speaker 1: I think that they probably wanted to make this transition
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  Speaker 1: after the twenty four season, not before, But you go
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  Speaker 1: four to thirteen and it gets accelerated.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, four and thirteen plus, Like the locker room, and
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  Speaker 5: as much as you everyone tries to say like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: we're in it together, we're fighting for each other, it's
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  Speaker 5: like you saw the way the locker room was and
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  Speaker 5: it was truly falling apart. Look at the quarterback room
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  Speaker 5: between what happened with Mac and Zappy, It's like you
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  Speaker 5: really could not let that happen for another year with
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  Speaker 5: a brand new quarterback, with a weird quarterback room where
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  Speaker 5: everyone's kind of just preparing by themselves, even though they're
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  Speaker 5: telling us at the podium. Otherwise, there's just all the
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  Speaker 5: reports I feel like all season long have just pointed
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  Speaker 5: that it was time to end things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, now, I like Gerrod I feel like
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  Speaker 2: has a lot of things going for him that are positive.
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  Speaker 2: I think the players really like him. I think that
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  Speaker 2: he's got a good football mind. I think that the
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  Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball shows innovation, shows you know,
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  Speaker 2: being modernized, things like that by Girod Mayo. It's really
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  Speaker 2: now a question of who is around Girod Mayo. You know,
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  Speaker 2: what do they surround him with. Who's the general manager,
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  Speaker 2: who's the offensive coordinator. I think the offensive coordinator higher
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  Speaker 2: is absolutely massive because not only is that not his
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  Speaker 2: side of the ball, but it's also a lot of
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  Speaker 2: responsibility that he's going to be taking on that he
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  Speaker 2: hasn't taken on before. So to have, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: it's not Bill O'Brien, but have somebody maybe with head
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  Speaker 2: coaching experience as an offensive coordinator or a real coordinator
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  Speaker 2: experience for a long period of time that can basically
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  Speaker 2: just run that side of the ball in year one,
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  Speaker 2: because I think if you're asking Girod Mayo to be
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  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick, who has his hands in everything and is
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  Speaker 2: all over the place, then it's unrealistic for such a
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  Speaker 2: young coach. So I look back at some of the
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  Speaker 2: recent models, you know, like Sean McVeigh for instance, early
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  Speaker 2: on with the Rams. When the Patriots played the Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl against the Rams in nineteen eighteen season, Wade Phillips
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  Speaker 2: was his defensive coordinator. You couldn't have a more experienced
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  Speaker 2: defensive coordinator than Wade Phillips. So they had the youngest
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  Speaker 2: coach in the history of the NFL with one of
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  Speaker 2: the oldest defensive coordinators in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: In Miami right now. Yeah, yeah, McDaniel and Fanji.
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  Speaker 2: And Fangio, right, and so you pair the guy with
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  Speaker 2: somebody that has the ability to just be the head
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  Speaker 2: coach of his side of the ball and you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to put all that stress on Mayo shoulders. It'd
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  Speaker 2: be interesting to see because that Bill O'Brien does fit
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  Speaker 2: that resume, right, you know, former head coach, you know,
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  Speaker 2: been an offensive coordinator a million times. So maybe it
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  Speaker 2: is him. If it's not, I'm gonna be fascinated to
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  Speaker 2: see what who Durrod picks because it's it's a big
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  Speaker 2: responsibility to fix that side of the ball.
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  Speaker 5: Josh also does fit the in a way.
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  Speaker 2: But Josh McDaniels, he's going with Bill, Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: so to that's done.
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  Speaker 1: We got to buy Evans tight pants make him the
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  Speaker 1: next time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I definitely have that experience and that's what
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  Speaker 2: they need. But you look at the coordinator, you look
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  Speaker 2: at wide receivers coach, you look at offensive line coach.
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  Speaker 2: I think those three spots are definitely spots that could
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  Speaker 2: have different coaches here next year under Gerard. And that's
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  Speaker 2: going to be tough for draw with Troy Brown. I mean, like,
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  Speaker 2: that's a guy, you know. I don't think they overlapped
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  Speaker 2: playing right. I think Troy Brown was already retired at
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  Speaker 2: that point, but maybe maybe yeah, probably yeah, I'd have
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  Speaker 2: to look that up, but that'd be that's that's a
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  Speaker 2: that's a position that we've all had on our crosshairs
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  Speaker 2: in terms of development on field execution things like that.
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  Speaker 2: And there's been a lot of reporting about, uh, the
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  Speaker 2: wide receiver room and Troy Brown and Ross Douglas not
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  Speaker 2: exactly getting the job done.
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  Speaker 5: So I really hope that whoever the OC is gets
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  Speaker 5: to hire whoever they want so that you know, they
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  Speaker 5: have a staff working for them that they trust, versus
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  Speaker 5: like the articles that came out about Bill O'Brien not
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  Speaker 5: being able to hire the staff he wanted to and
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  Speaker 5: therefore having huge unit meetings versus more individual meetings.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, now the question is who's staying, who's going.
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  Speaker 3: I mean to assume that the step and Brian probably
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  Speaker 3: would would go with Bill would.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting. And Evan has
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  Speaker 1: been talking about this, you know, the last couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 1: and I agree you because we all see the relationship
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  Speaker 1: between girod Mayo and Steve Balichick is seems to be
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  Speaker 1: pretty solid. So I don't completely dismiss it. I know
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  Speaker 1: everybody else you know, it's it's a nonstarter. Those guys
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  Speaker 1: have to go. They're gonna go with their father. That's
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  Speaker 1: probably what's going to happen. But I don't dismiss it
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  Speaker 1: as a possibility.
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  Speaker 2: I would also look at Steve and say, like, if
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  Speaker 2: he is on the mind that he wants to be
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  Speaker 2: a head coach someday, then calling plays here with Gerrod
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  Speaker 2: and doing it without his father is probably a better
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  Speaker 2: way to map out a resume to potentially be a
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  Speaker 2: head coach down the line. You know, that's like Kyle Shanahan,
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  Speaker 2: you know, didn't coach for his father until Washington and
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  Speaker 2: it was able to you know, make his own way
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  Speaker 2: in the world type of thing, So I wonder if
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  Speaker 2: that would be a factor. And then DeMarcus Covington's obviously
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  Speaker 2: a name that we're gonna hear a lot that people
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  Speaker 2: are going to want want to retain.
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  Speaker 3: We got a couple of calls, a couple bunch of
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  Speaker 3: emails coming in before we get to those, though, just
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: one more question I have for you guys, and that's
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: you know, probably the biggest thing about JIROB. Mayo is
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: just that he's basically been an inside linebackers coach if
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: you want to go by what the title is. We
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: know he's more than that, but just generally, what are
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: your thoughts on how big of a job this is
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: for JIROB. Mayo given his experience. I know he you know,
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: spent a year or two and you know, working like
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: in investments like that like him, you know, I don't
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: know like people trumpet that like, well, he can't do anything.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: You're in corporate as a leader, he can do it all.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: But how realistic and how concerning is that of you know, JIROB.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Mayo now having to basically re establish the program. I'm
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: sure he'll take some of Bill Belichick's stuff. I'm sure
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: he'll not take some of his stuff, but that's idea
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: organizing the whole thing.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ideally that's what you get. You'd get him taking
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: some of the things from Bill that you know, sort
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: of evergreen that are going to work no matter what,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: in integrating that with maybe a younger mindset. I know
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: he had that quote about you know, when he was
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: growing going through it, it was what the coach said.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: And nowadays the play are a little bit more about
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the why and all that kind of thing. So if
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: he could be a mesh of those two things, I
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: think ideally that's what you're looking for.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: They hear that a lot, you know, modern Bill, right,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of people call him like Girod Belichick
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: or Mini BB in his playing days, but like now
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: it's I think it's more of a modern version. And
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: when he talked to you know, and talk to some
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: of the players about it, you know, they were comparing
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: him to a Demiico Ryans, a Mike McDaniel, a Antonio
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Pierce in Vegas, the interim coach with the Raiders, like
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: those guys that either played or a younger or you know,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: can relate more to the players nowadays. And I think
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: the one name that I heard a lot with girod
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: It was Demiko Ryans. And Demiko Ryans and him have
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: a very similar resume coming up to this point. Both
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: of them went right into coaching pretty much after playing
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: and didn't have a lot of experience when they got
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: the job. Demiko Ryans was with the Niners for six
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: years before he took the job. Drod's been here for five,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: so very similar pass to this point, and you can
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: see how well it's working in Houston right now.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: So well, let's jump over to the phones. Thank you
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: for people who are calling in here on Emergency Podcast Friday.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: We'll go first, Dillan down in Orlando.
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: Hey, Dylan, Hey, Happy Friday.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: Guys, Thank you, Happy Friday.
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: Two questions, and I'll preface by saying I think I'm
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: a I'm a fan of the decision. I'm excited to
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: see what happens. Admittedly, I'm kind of concerned that the
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: pat didn't really do any due diligence on any of
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: the other candidates. I'm curious to know if you guys
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: think that the Patriots kind of trapped themselves into this
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: move contractually with Jirad Mayo's contract. Obviously you think back
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: to like a Josh McDaniels, who was supposed to be
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: the successor, and if Belichick had kind of kicked the
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: can a little bit earlier, we may have seen him
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: in his position. So I'm curious on your thoughts about that.
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: And then I'm also curious to know if you think that,
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: given that Dron Mayo is a defensive player, defensive coach,
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: kind of a prodigy of Belichick, if Patriots fans should
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: temper their expectations on the offensive side of the ball.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Iks still appreciate it. Let's uh, let's jump in on that.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I gotta admit I kind of sold
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: myself on the idea of like Rabel over the last week,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: and I was excited about it, And you know, I'm
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: not quite as excited about Girotti. I love, you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I loved Gerard, I mean personally, but just in terms
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: of the experience factor, and you know what, we know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: it just feels like there's a lot of unknowns, which
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: can be a good thing in about think Paul, which
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: as the.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Second part about the offense I think we just all
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: talked about remains to be seen. We'll see how the
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: structure of that coaching staff winds up being and what
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: to expect. I do think the contract, the way they
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: set it up, did box them in a little bit.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: And and I'm not saying that I think it's the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: wrong guy, the wrong choice. What I think you could
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: very well have landed on girod Mayo the same way.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I think that you do yourself a disservice by not
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: seeking more information. And I would have loved to have
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: brought in and I know I'm joking around all the time.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I would have loved to have brought in one of
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: these young, tight pant wearing offensive minds just to here,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: just to appease me. Yeah, just to hear how they
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: talk about the game. Yeah, you know, what harm would
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: it have been to have Ben Johnson to Bobby Slowick
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: in for an interview, or Eric b Enemy in for
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: an interview. Just get around the league a different you know,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you know, not to have all of them, you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: pick one or two, you know, get just to get
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: a different perspective as to how the game is being
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: played in other NFL places right now. And I think
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the fact that it was done so quickly, I think
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: they were kind of boxed in by that contract.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Either they're boxed in by the contract or they wanted
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: to show conviction, because I think if you go ahead
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and you start interviewing people and then you settle back
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: on Girad, it kind of feels like you weren't really sold.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: And that was something that I think Florio wrote about
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: earlier on Friday, and I just I don't get that,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: like you didn't want it hanging over the weekend with
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the playoff games of people speculating are they going to
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: go to Vrabel? Are they going to do this? I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: think if you have an idea, you know, again, contractually,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: you kind of had to do this or break the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: contract in some way. I would have liked to have
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: had them be a little bit more open minded to it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I guess what I'm questioning is not the idea that
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: girod Mayo is the coach, because I think we all
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: think there's certainly a lot of potential as girod Mayo
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: was the coach. My question is going back to whenever
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: they decided to do this, what made them so sure
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: that that was the best way to do it? Why
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: is that the best way to succeed Belichick without being
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: able to really talk to anybody.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's totally fair point. And I think that's
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: why the next hires are almost more interesting because if
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: they hired they're not going to hire what, you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowek to be offensive coordinator because
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: they're gonna that's a lateral move for those guys. But
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: if they hire one of your tight pant guys to
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: come in and uh and coordinate the offense, that's maybe
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: you know, on Miami's staff, on San Francisco's staff, you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: something like that, Then maybe they are trying to think
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: a little They are trying to bring something a little
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: bit different on that side of the ball. So who
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the coordinator higher is what system he runs? Like if
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: it's just Josh McDaniels or Bill O'Brien, then I'm gonna
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: be a little bit concerned. Like, so we really didn't
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: learn anything for the last four years.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Let's go way outside the box.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Wes Welker tighter pants, even the tightest of pants. I
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: think Wes Welker rocks on.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think exist hammer pants.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Let's go down to Eldrid in North Carolina, Hilder.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Your personal hello to Tamara. Only what was that?
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: You know, I was ump about move on. We didn't
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: have a little.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Bait I did to Eldrid. I did to bait.
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: But I'm with everybody else's problem with you too, man.
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: I wish like the devil did some more offensive homework
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: instead of another defensive guy.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: And I don't mind the choice. I just would have
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: liked to have had more information.
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, me too. I mean, I mean, to me,
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: it seemed like they was, like y'all said, boxed into
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: the contract. Well about the contract. If Ben Johnson or
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: Stovic or somebody else is better, you know, give you
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: a better revelation with the offense, because that's mainly what
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: we heard that. I don't care for the next couple
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: of years. I'm figuring it's gonna take us a minute
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: to get back up there. But he got a long
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: way to go, and I wish it was offensive. Mind
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: of guy that did That's all.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I got, Fellas, and I would agree with el I mean, like,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I know this was like a thing on the show
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: when we did the show yesterday. Like, I don't know
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that think it's great. He got
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: fired isn't that great. I just don't know a lot
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: of people. I know there are people, I'm not telling
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you this none. I just don't know a lot of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: people that revel in other people's misery. And you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I guess there's you know, certain people out there that do.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I don't take a lot of glee and a guy
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: who's been here for twenty four years not being the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: coach anymore.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, most of their response seemed more so like we're
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: so thankful for everything that he did, but we do
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: also understand that it's time to move on.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: It was definitely I saw a.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Lot of people that were like apoplectic that they governed
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: of Bill Belichick. I mean that was that was the
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: biggest between thank you, like, let's just appreciate what it
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: was that between that group. I didn't really see the
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: oh it's about time like that group didn't.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, how about the group that the media did this? Media?
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: The media and.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Games Wait, we can get to that second. But I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: agree that I saw in Twitter and and Paul's shows
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: are not good sample sizes. I tell people that all
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, it's not a good sample size. But
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I did see a lot of people that we were apoplectic.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: We got some email about it. You know, what, what
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the hell are they thinking? But I'd not like to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: take any shots, But like, I think that those people,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: we are uniquely connected to the team where we see
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: everything that's going on with the team on a day
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to day basis during the season, where some other people
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: not totally like live your life, but like you might
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: just be checking in on Sundays at one o'clock and
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: sit down and watch the game casually, and aren't I
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: don't think people looked at it that look at it
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: that way, don't look at it realistically of what the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: last four years of this football team have looked like,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Like they really have not been a competitive football team
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: since Tom Brady walked out the door.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And you can give the records and it's like thirty
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: three and forty four or something like that from the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: halfway point of that twenty nineteen season on. That doesn't
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: even tell you everything. Would be really alarming to me
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: if I were Robert Kraft and Jonathan Craft. Is the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: way the end of the season was sort of analyzed
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: by the media, and I even yesterday I heard a
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: lot of people say, like, you know, like and then
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the way that they came down the stretch with spirited
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: wins over Pittsburgh and Denver and competitive games against Kansas
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: City and Buffalo. And I'm thinking to myself.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: The competitive game against Kansas City was great.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: But I'm not even arguing whether or not you thought
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't. I'm not arguing whether or not
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it was competitive. What I'm arguing is have we really
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: fallen to the point where we're now excited that we
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: were able to only lose by ten at home to
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Kansas City Like that was supposed to be like some
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: sort of like momentum that the team was building Like
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: that to me would be alarming. Like we've gone in
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the span of five years to winning a Super Bowl
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: to being really enthusiastic about only losing by ten at
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: home to Kansas City.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: They finished in the last place in the conference, like
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: they're the worst team in the AFC, and they played
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: like it like it wasn't not like it was a fluke.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Oh no.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And I just the other thing about the media pushing
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: pushing him out, and I agree with Eldred, like yesterday
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: was a day of reflection. I was happy. It was
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: not like I wasn't walking around here like you know, happy,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: go lucky, like I got here yesterday and it was
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I felt like we were at a funeral. It was horrible.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, you have to all we
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: told you was what we were seeing and what was
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: happening on the field. None of it was just speaking
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: for myself. None of it was out of spite. None
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: of it was because he he mumbles at press conferences
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: or didn't answer my questions or whatever. None of it
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: had anything to do with that they were getting. They
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: were losing games at a at a record rate for
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: this franchise and for this era of football, and that
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: was what it was. They had flaws all over the
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: roster for the most part, Like defensively their flaws weren't catastrophic,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: but offensively in special teams they made more sloppy mistakes
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: and more, you know, just bad football plays. And then
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen them, and like, eventually you have to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: accept that, like and we just told you how it was.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: And now we ran them out of town, Like okay.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Let's all let's jump back to the phone. So we
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: got Nick and omaha, Heynick, Hey.
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: Guys, how's it going good? A big fan of the show,
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: and you know, I'm a little timit. Hey, I'm a
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: little nervous. I don't know how Paul feels about feelings.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: A little nervous talk right now, but just spit it out.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: I was.
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: I was playing catch up this morning on the podcast,
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: and I just wanted to float something out there and
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: I thought was interesting. I know, you guys take some
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: interesting perspectives. I thought you enjoy this. Maybe not, but
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: something that Paul said or sorry not fall sorry Paul.
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: Something that Robert said yesterday and we're talking about coaches
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: and everything, and the reporter asked what went wrong last season?
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: And I think he took the words out of my mouth.
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: It was just kind of like I think we all
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: were like, yeah, I don't know, just like it was
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: kind of hard to diagnose what went wrong. But I
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: did have this thought, is it a little concerning to
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: hear that from Robert at all? Someone who's plugged in
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: and yeah, just kind of in the ins and outs
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: to hear him say I don't know, Like, I think
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: it would be a little bit more satisfying to hear
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: some sort of a diagnosis. But I'll take it off
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: the air.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: But thanks I appreciate it. I mean, just for me.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I just don't think he wanted to throw anybody under
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the bus. He was just being diplomatic. I mean, it's
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: obviously you can. I mean, he's talked about the draft before,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: he's talked about how they missed on the draft picks,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: which is an easy place to go. I agree that
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of different things, but I just didn't
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: think it was the time for him to be like, well,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: he's draft sucked, and you know.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: What's the bigger thing. Yeah, Mac, we don't have the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: quarterback play. But he's not going to do that.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah he shouldn't, right, That's the way I took it
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: as well. And just sitting in the room, like he
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: paused for a while trying to think of what's the
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: best way to answer this question, and I think he
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: just decided that pleading the fifth was the best way
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: to answer the question, and that's sort of what we got.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: But I also think that you know, you guys, we
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: were talking about this on Catch twenty two yesterday, which,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: by the way, that whole podcast is like not exactly evergreen.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: So I want Adam Peters, yeah right, you know, Mike
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Rabel and Adam Peters. That's that's what's coming to town.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: We're talking about this yesterday though, just like the idea
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: of having not just a general manager, but maybe like
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: a VP of Football Operations or President of Football Operations
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: that oversees the entire operation, because I don't I don't
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: know if Robert Craft and Jonathan Craft are technically qualified
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: to like be making these high level football decisions on
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: that in terms of personnel and all that kind of stuff.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: And I just look at some of the other organizations
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: in town, and you know, the Bruins, for example, with
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: cam Neely. You know, they have Cam Neely up at
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: the top, then they have Don Sweeney as the general manager,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: and then obviously Jim Montgomery's the coach, and cam Neely's
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: job is just to make sure that Don Sweeney and
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Jim Montgomery aren't steering off a ledge, you know, when
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: they make some of these roster decisions and things like that.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: And I want if one of you know, our great
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: well decorated former players just you know, would want to
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: have a role like that in the organization. Maybe somebody
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: that was just let go by the Titans, for example,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: to come in and be the face of the franchise
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: from the top, you know, and run the team like that.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I think when you watch Bill Belichick walk out the door,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: you're losing not just the coach, but you're also losing
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: the football figure in the mind, the head of the snake,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: and like you can't just replace that with Gerard Mayo
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and Elliott Wolf. Like, I just don't think that that's
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: you're losing too much brain power by doing it that way.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: Do you think would be open to not being the
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: head coach though, and like not physically coaching.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I have no I honestly have no idea, but I
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: just look at it, and I it's more so in
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: other sports, I would say than in football. I think
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: the best example in football is probably John Lynch with
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. I was thinking Devin mccordy, Yeah,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Vivin mccortdy being great, and the guy.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Was thinking of was John Lynk, you know, like a
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: heady safety. He's been around for a long time.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I just look at it, and I look at it locally,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: you know, guy like Brad Stevens makes the jump from
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: coaching to the front office, and like, I just think
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: sometimes coaching gets tiring. It's a it's a long, long hours,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: long days. And I think one of the things that
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Brabel got frustrated with in Tennessee was that he didn't
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: have personnel control, so you know, he had somebody continuously
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: overruling him on the roster. So but Devin would be great.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I know he loves doing TV though.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: So he's probably got a little easier.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go out to Kansas. Hey, Joe, Hey, you guys,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: thanks for calling it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: Hey, I was wondering. I think with Robert Kraft he
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: had an idea, like with Tom Brady, there was a
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: clear successor in kind of Jimmy Garoppolo and stuff like
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: that before that fell apart. I wonder if losing a
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: great like Tom Brady, if he kind of would have
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: thought a little bit more about a succession plan after
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: Bill Belichick, and that could be a reason why he
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: so quick to announce Kinna draw Mayo's candice so he
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: has coached. Yeah, I was wondering what you guys thought
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: about that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, Joe, appreciate it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: It's a good point.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it is.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: And it was funny because, like the immediate after math yesterday,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I saw a couple of people that complete there's no
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: succession plan, Like, well, first.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Who said, how do you know?
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I don't want to bring up names, But.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Like twenty minutes after they decided that Bill wasn't the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: coach anymore, they were complaining.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: When there was literally a succession plan written in writing
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: an avery.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Social media person who's just been on absolute hair the
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: last couple of days about how how tultably this has gone.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: So probably not a good example.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not exactly straw man, but it's kind
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: of just like a straw social media argument where like
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I saw something come across my timeline.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And they're pretty wispy.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: It must respresent, you know, it's straw like. But I
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: mean I think like it was easy for them, though, right,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: it was easy for them, like this is. I mean,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: they did make it easy for themselves. But I think
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: everything you said, Paul was was apt. You know, you
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: don't really give yourself a chance to even kick the tires.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Forrable, when you might not even have known
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: him like that, you would have had the opportunity to
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: maybe consider someone like that.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I find the whole thing interesting to go back and
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: all signs pointed to the fact that that Mayo was
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the guy, but to learn when it actually happens that
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: it was contractual, yeah, is a little different. And I
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: think that did kind of like tie their hands a
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: He So he interviewed for at least two other jobs
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty two off season, right going into
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the Patricia Judge here offensively, just to put some contexts
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Denver the Eagles. Yeah, and he might have been interviewed
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: with the Raiders. So it might have been it might
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: have been three, might not have been Denver, might have
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: been Raiders, I'll get the exact But he interviewed with
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: multiple teams and then was going to be another hot
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: commodity in the twenty twenty three cycle if he hadn't
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: signed this extension with the Patriots. So I think that
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: they were just really fearful of that he was gonna
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: walk for another job, and so they'd said, well, why
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: don't we just everybody else thinks he's head coach material,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: so why don't we just make him the success or here?
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: But I agree that I with Paul that I would
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: have rathered a more extensive search, and I hope for
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: general manager that we don't find out that this is
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: as simple as Elliott Wolf is getting a promotion and
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: just like we did today, it's like Monday, you know,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: it's in all this is over. Like I really do
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: hope that that side of things they have a more
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: extensive search.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: I will say, like hearing that it was in his
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: contract made me think back to the article surfacing about
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: like how he was rubbing people the wrong way. I
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: was like, Okay, now that makes sense because you know
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: he knew no matter what, like he was secure here,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: like he didn't have a reason to be moping around
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: and upset and frustrated and angry, and.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: That's why the twenty twenty three season was doomed to
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: fail before it even started.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that was the best part of
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Reese's pieces, which I thought was fantastic.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: By the way, well then you know that's what he
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: used to call it, quog.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Right, Okay, yah to read that I would consume it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't want to like claim that as
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: my own. Paul's calls that was mine.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I thought that Mike obviously did a great job as
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: he usually does and summing it up, and I one
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of the things that he pointed out was just the
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: awkwardness of that whole thing because Bill knew that Gerard
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: was named the successor. Gerard knew he was named the successor,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: So it's just like this awkward like how long is
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Bill going to hang on for until it's Gerrod's team?
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: And I think that that did create a weird dynamic.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: And then Neo to Mary, you brought up earlier the
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: weird dynamic in the quarterback room. So now you have
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: a weird dynamic between probably your two most important coaches,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: and then you have a weird dynamic between your quarterbacks,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: and you look back on it, no wonder why they
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: won four games.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: You know. Torod's like looking after like the Saints loss,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: being like I might.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Be getting the call up a little sooner.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like as the season went on, he must have
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: And how much of the coaching staff knew that?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Probably people talk, Yeah, I wouldn't say.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: I would say I wouldn't be surprised if even the
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: players knew that, Like.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: So like, just to take that a step further, I
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: don't know exactly who and which ones, but I have
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: to think there is certainly a group that's pretty tight
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: with Gerard that knew that Gerard had it in his
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: contract and were team girod And there were probably some
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Other guys, don Nab and Teo all over.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Right, some of the other guys are like, really, Bill,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: like he has that in his contract? Are you kidding me? Like,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: like just in the team Bill. So now there's a
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: division among the coaching staff, there's a division among the players.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Wasn't wasn't a good thing?
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: And you also the other thing that that Reese had
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: in there too, was similar to what the heralds had reported. Uh,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: was that last week or whatever that Bill thought that
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: patricia offense was making strides. And Bill was not totally
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: against Bill O'Brien coming in, but he didn't necessarily think
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: it was necessary to make a change. And so you
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: have Gerard getting it written into his contract that he's
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: the heir apparent. You have the crab telling him that
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: you need to hire Bill O'Brien and not keep Matt Patricia.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And from Bill's side of things, you can start to
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: see why he was probably a little bit unhappy being
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: here because he was getting overruled by ownership on football decisions.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: And so I see both sides of it. Now that
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: you know those both those things were probably dysfunctional.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: It's a bit of a head scratcher though, for you
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: to really look at that Patricia offense and say, oh,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: they're we're making progress.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I found myself wanting to go back and look.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: I mean not saying that it was, you know, better,
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: because Paul brought up multiple times like if you look
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: at the numbers from both years, like it.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Was better, but better two years ago than it was
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: this year numbers wise, you just using the data, Yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I will say that the first half against Buffalo in
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: the finale last year was their best half of offensive
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: football the entire season.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say those two things. Number one,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: if you just go by the sheer numbers, it was better.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: And number two, I thought it got better as the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: year went on. Yeah, when they finally started stop the
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: the chuck and duck and stopped turning it over, it
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: got better. It got better this year. Yeah, the best
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: it probably was was the first game. Yeah.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that Week eighteen game against Buffalo. We can
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: go back revision is history and say if they don't
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: return two kickoffs like who knows, but they they had
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: they moved the ball, and that they had a great
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: first half offensively in that game, one of the better halves.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: They did move the ball in that and.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: They had a good night on Thanksgiving in Minnesota, you know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: in those games, and so they look, I'm not going
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: back and saying Patricia was. Yeah, But I can understand
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: from Bill's perspective why this all went south for him,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: because I think we talk a lot about it, you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: as employees of the team, and thinks, you know, the
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: team were still here. Bill's not, so we have to
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: talk about the future. But looking back on it with Bill, like,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I can see why he was probably ready to maybe
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: let go as well.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: One last thing, Mike before you hit that is in
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: relation to that, like we mocked and ridiculed the idea
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: of trying to make some changes to the scheme yea
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: when Patricia did it. And I'm guilty of it just
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: as just as much as anybody else. I'm not excluding
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: myself from this. This year, it was like, you know,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: they really got to get past this offense because the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: time has passed, and I'm guilty of it. I'm telling you,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: these are cliches that I've used this year. So I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: do think that part of it was Bill O'Brien's doing. It,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: and he's a real offensive coordinator, so everything is okay.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: And when Patricia was doing it, there's no way this
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: can work. And I agree, and I don't think it worked.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to give you a revisions history that
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: it really was better than you think it wasn't. It
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: was terrible, but it was just as terrible this year,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: if not more so. And now we think it's because
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: of the offense where they were kind of trying to
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: make some changes to the offense last year, not because
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: of Patricia. I think it was more of an organizational
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: decision to try to change things and people were mocking
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: them like these got The problem was those guys didn't
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: know how to implement the changes.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: That was the problem.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I just it was good, right, Yeah, and the theory
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: was not wrong.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: And then you wonder what Bill O'Brien coming back.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Did they just have to kind of blow that up
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: and just let Bill b I do what he does,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: And do they have to you know, scrap changes that
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: maybe Bill actually wanted to employ.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that you look at the Patricia
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: offense and I had to you trust the players, right,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: like the guys that are actually trying to go out
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: there and make these plays. And the players with the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Patricia offense just continuously told us that they had no answers,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: like there was no you know, the why thing right,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: They had no They would ask questions as to what,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: you know, why are we doing this? Why are we
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: doing that? Or you know, what do I do if
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: this happens? You know, if they blitz on this type
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: of play, like what am I supposed to do? And
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: they felt like the coaches didn't have confident, legitimate answers
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: for them. And I don't think that was what the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: problem was this year. The problem this year I think
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: we're personnel and execution based versus last year. I think
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of people felt like they didn't know what
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: they were doing. And I think that that's a big difference.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: But maybe their players were a little bit better than
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: we gave them credit for. In twenty twenty two.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Let's jump back to the phones. We got John down
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: on Louisiana. Hey, John, good, Yeah you can.
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: I was wondering being that, uh Mayo before the general manager,
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: does he kind of have the lead direction on what
• 41:10
  Speaker 11: the team is going to do, like be a free
• 41:11
  Speaker 11: agency in trade and do so? I hope that Cole
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: gets it.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: By you that call of the day right there, Jo,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: you just.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Locked it up. Thanks for calling in. Uh, that's a
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: good question. I mean that's it is a good question.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I don't have a defini answer. I don't think so.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Is it usually the GM, the GM tech?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I just feel like that they're setting this up
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: so it's different and it's going to be more of
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a collaborative process. And I'm not sure that I like it,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: but I think that's where they're headed.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I would I would like to hope that it's more
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: of a traditional process right where you have a general manager,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: you have a hierarchy, like it's not just one guy
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: running the whole show. And Bill earned it, like Robert
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: said yesterday, Bill had to earn that responsibility once you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: they won the three Super Bowls and things like that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: But now it will be interesting to see who has
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: controlled thefty three man roster. Like the ninety man roster
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: is one thing. You know, GM comes in, he makes
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: a bunch of signings, whatever, But the fifty three man
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: roster is what it's really about.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: That needs to be the coach. I agree, fifty three
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: needs to be there because you get players you gotta
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: let the guy got because if.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: The GM you know, has controlled the ninety and he
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: signs T Higgins, grod Mayo is not cutting T Higgins right, Like,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: that's not But grod Mayo is going to know better
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: than the general manager who the fifty second guy is
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: versus the fifty fourth guy, because he's the one that's
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: out there coaching these guys. So, uh yeah, I agree
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Jump back CJ and case CJ.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: I hope you're staying warm out there. How's it going?
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, what's up?
• 42:37
  Speaker 8: Guys?
• 42:38
  Speaker 12: Hey, I uh, he kind of stole my idea. I
• 42:41
  Speaker 12: was gonna I read the Mike re season, I was
• 42:44
  Speaker 12: I wanted to chat with you guys about that.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: But I'll just go back.
• 42:46
  Speaker 12: To something that I saw yesterday is a pretty interesting
• 42:50
  Speaker 12: history of the past three coaches of the Patriots Belichick.
• 42:55
  Speaker 12: It's Tee Carroll and it's Bill Parcells, and one of
• 42:57
  Speaker 12: them is already in the hall and the other two
• 42:59
  Speaker 12: are going there. Or do you do you think that
• 43:01
  Speaker 12: that's uh, you know, that that legacy that Gerrod's following,
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: Do you think that's on any of his mind with
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: the exprecations that the rest of us have as fans
• 43:12
  Speaker 12: being the last you know, going back past past Belichick
• 43:15
  Speaker 12: now thirty years of potential success. What do you guys
• 43:20
  Speaker 12: think about that?
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks c J. I appreciate it. Uh.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I think that's check, you.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Know, like I think that's Belichick follow you got to
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: just be you.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's kind of like the probably the
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: question Mac guy all the time, like, oh, following Tom Brady,
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: not so much falling Camp because he was just there.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: But I think when you when you focus too much
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: on that and trying to beat someone's legacy or being
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: someone choose, I think you can get.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yourself in trouble.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: So I'm kind of hoping he just is himself and
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: and doesn't change who he is to try to be,
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: you know, the next Pill Belichick.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, the coaching tree. When you think about
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: all the failures of the coaching tree, McDaniel's judge, Patricia,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of the things you hear about
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: those guys and their other stops is that they were
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: these disciplinary and hard nosed head coaches, and people were
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: kind of like, you think you're Bill Belichick, but you're
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: not Bill Belichick. And I think Girod Mayo at least
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: so far has not been that way, and I hope
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: that it stays that way. But that doesn't you know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I'm polo you said earlier. That doesn't mean that there
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: isn't Bill instilled in girod Mayo. It just kind of
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: comes out in a different way, and I think that's
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: what they're hoping.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, be nice, Cool to be nice.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Jody down in Atlanta. Hey, Jody, you don't be getting
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Bill Belichick.
• 44:30
  Speaker 13: What do you think about that?
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: You want Bill Belichick down there in Atlanta?
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: Man, I was just about to talk about that.
• 44:37
  Speaker 13: The first first thing I was gonna say is Deuce
• 44:39
  Speaker 13: was wrong. Man, sounds like you hit one too many.
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, right, But yeah, they wanted.
• 44:46
  Speaker 13: Bill Belichick down here in Atlanta. I think it's so funny,
• 44:49
  Speaker 13: like over the last years since you know, we beat
• 44:52
  Speaker 13: them twenty eighty three games.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: As soon as he said twenty three, it.
• 44:59
  Speaker 13: Went out whole organization and just hearing them now clamoring
• 45:03
  Speaker 13: for him, and it would be so ironic. A he's
• 45:05
  Speaker 13: the person that takes them back to this or not,
• 45:08
  Speaker 13: back to the Super to the Super Bowl and finally
• 45:10
  Speaker 13: get them over to Hume after they completely bashed him
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: for the last few years.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: That's good.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I guess we'll We'll have to wait. Seats does seem
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: like one of the favorite sectuality appreciated. Uh, I mean
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: a little bit of speculation.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: We have seth Wickersham Autopsy of the Patriots. The it
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: was the Patriots way until it wasn't so good and
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: then apparently this is just one quoted in the in
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: turn Mike, Mike cadlick is uh is quoting the good ones. Sorry,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I hope he doesn't doesn't leave me a straight here,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: but this was a quote from the piece. Uh. Bill
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: had told me that Brady couldn't play anymore, Kraft said
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: privately afterward, and then he goes out and wins the
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: effing super Bowl. So that was that was where the
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: piece starts, is Brady's exit, and then it goes from there.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: All right, So that just dross on ESPN.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing with a new seth Wickersham behind the scenes
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: now he wrote what the what?
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: What did he write there that.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: He had the with don Nada, Oh and Nada the
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: behind the scenes, So I'm sure he's got plenty of
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: stuff that's brutal.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: The pre eminent Patriots autopsy reporter.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Well, we can all look forward to h to reading
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: some of that. Let's try to get to some of
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: these emails here before we wrap up this emergency.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: We can go forty six minutes.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: It seems these things go pretty easy. Any chance, the
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Crafts make a phone call the saban to be the
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: president of football operations. That's from Courtney.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: I heard that he's getting an admin role at Teatown.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Oh that sounds perfect, Claire Wright said, hello everyone him Marian, Hello,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: emergency pod FITZI really sold me on reasons for Raabel
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: as head coach. So the Mayo news mildly bummed me out,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: but I will come around.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: I'm sure, of course, that's Claire.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: My question is do you feel any better or worse
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: about that number three draft pick, as in who they
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: may take now that you know it's at least Mayo
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: at the top.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: I was thinking about that. I was like, do you
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: think about like the top quarterbacks in your choice of
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: offensive coordinator, like trying to find someone who fits their style.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: I like, it's like Jiwd's the defensive guy, and you
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: feel like he's gonna watch That's what you're like, Dude,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: you can't you can't you got to.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Take an offensive guy, right.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I do like the idea though that the quarterback
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: is now going to be given to somebody that played
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: in his younger yep, and he can relate to him,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: especially nowadays, like you're talking about Bill a seventy one
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: year old Bill Belichick coaching a twenty one year old
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, Like it's just a big, big age gap there,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And I just feel like Gerard will be able to
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: whether it's Jadon Daniels, Drake May, whoever, could have a
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: better relationship with that player and be able to relate
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: because whether it was whoever you want to blame for
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: the Mac Jones relationship with Bill Belichick, that relationship did
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: not go well. And I think a lot of it
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: was was about just age and the difference in the
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: you know, Mac it to know why and Bill told
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: him to shut up and play, you know, like get
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and that that that was sort of the way that
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: that that situation unfolded and why it kind of decayed
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: was because you know, frankly, I don't think Bill Belichick
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: liked Mac Jones very much, and just as a as
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: a kid, as a person, you know, and I can
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: understand it, like it's somebody that I'm not quite as
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: young as Mac, but I can understand why somebody from
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Bill's guard would be like, what the hell is this?
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: This kid is just a he's you know, spoiled. Like
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I'd say it that way, It is the best way
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: to say it.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like this one from Katina and Houston
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: just said, one of my concerns, based on what we've
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: observed during Bill's tenure, is the importance of relationships between
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: coaches in New England. This has proved to be both
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: positive and negative, Ernie and Judge. Since Mayo has only
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: been here, does he have enough connections relationships with people
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: outside the organization that can bring new perspectives to fill
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: out the coaching staff? Is my concern relevant?
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she said she loves you guys, an so oh,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: thank you for all you do a.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Lot of personal shoutouts.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah you noticed. But I do think that's a legit
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: concern because I don't know how many relationships Mayo has
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: been able to develop an issue a time in the league,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: you know, in terms of that kind of really, and
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about players, you know, I'm sure he
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: has a million friends that he played with and whatnot,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: but in terms of coaches, administrators, gms and decision makers, advisors,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: things that he can lean on. Whereas Bill had a
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: lot of that over his time. You know, when you
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: think back to the you know, the Pioli's, the Dematrofs,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the Ernie Adams and those kinds of people, he had
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of people in his corner.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I'm going to keep banging the
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: table to bring in another person in.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: That rush offensive staff because.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I just feel like that Girod Mayo is going to
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: need some help, like he's with in terms of like
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: the CEO elements of being the head coach. I think
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: he's going to need some guidance and he's going to
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: need some help, And I think it would be great
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: to have somebody on staff, whether it's the offensive coordinator,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: whether it's somebody upstairs that has that kind of you
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: know history. The one guy that I I would say,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: you know, we all. I think hope that DeMarcus Covington
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: stays and maybe he's the defensive coordinator for Girod. But
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Patrick Graham is another name that I would I would
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: throw out there as potentially coming to join the staff.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: He's with the Raiders right now, but he was on
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: mcdaniels's staff with the Raiders, So when they clean house,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: it will probably If they don't, you know, keep Antonio Pierce,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: he's probably gonna end up being a free agent. Carn
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Brisillo already jumped ship to the Giants with Dables, so
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: that's already.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Graham would go back to the Giants.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I know it's possible, but the chair is already moving
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: in terms of that Raiders staff, and maybe Patrick Graham,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: who played Excuse me, was the coach Mayo's coach. He
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: was a linebackers coach when dra Maya was playing with
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: the Patriots, so they definitely have a relationship.
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: I like the question because I do you wonder if
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: he has some of mentor that helped him through his
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: interview processes, you know, like the past couple of years
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: when he's gone into the interviews, like I know he
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: probably you know, picked Bill Belichick's brain, but I do
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: wonder if he's reached out and found his own network
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: to talk to guys who have been in his shoes
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: before that.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Are a little bit younger.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Got a good one here, from Hutters, he calls us
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: deuced dude, Dodett and Dad the duce.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: You couldn't be my dad?
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: You care for that? You're told you how good your
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: email was yesterday?
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Fred is dad. You're like, you're like.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Even though Fred's like three years older.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Than Yeah, you're like older brother.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: I like this though out from Chutters.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: When do you think Bill truly knew what his future
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: was going to be? Because he must have had insight
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: into the contract position with my own Like, do you
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: think that did he just try to.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Tough it out this year? But it's just it's hard
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: to see.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I think he thought they were going to win. I
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: don't think he ever does anything thinking it's going to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: be a disaster. I think he felt like they could
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: put it together and win.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: It didn't work, Yeah, but did he feel like his
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: hands were starting to be more and more tied to
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: the way he wants to.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: But I figured, this is just my take. I feel
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: like he felt, you want to stack the deck against me. Okay,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go eleven and six and go to the playoffs,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Then what are you gonna do? That's how I think
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: he went into the season.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: I do wonder when he looked at this roster. If
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: he really thought he could win with these guys.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I think so. I think he.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that based on some of the conversations
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I've had, that that's what he felt.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I think Paul's right that he always thinks that he'll
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: if he has to put that lipstick on the pig.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: And I can coach around it.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I do wonder if this was a little bit
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: discussed between all the parties and with Bill. He's what
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: fifteen shy of Shuler right now? Right?
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Well? Of yeah, passing him, I think it's fourteen, and
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: then fifteen would.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Be So if he won four games this year, let's
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: say they win eight or nine games this year, I
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: guess you could make an argument that in two years
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: he could have done it, right, like if they had
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: waited to do his succession plan until after twenty twenty four,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: which is what I think the plan was. I mean,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: they would have had to been really good for two
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: years to do it. But if he wins ten games
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: in ten games and all of a sudden he passes
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Shula in twenty twenty four, and then he passed the torch,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: like maybe that was what was discussed as the succession plan.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: All right, let's grab a couple less calls here as
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: we bring this thing home.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Last call hour over the top.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: Let's get down to Jackson in Alabama. Hey Jackson, Hey guys.
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: How are y'all?
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: Goo?
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Good?
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: It's up.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: Good.
• 53:34
  Speaker 9: I got just two points real quick.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: One.
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: I love the thought of.
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: Mike Braid will be in like.
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: A president football operations, just having in that seat.
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: That would make me feel very comfortable about Darmeo being there.
• 53:47
  Speaker 9: And just kind of like somebody to look over the
• 53:49
  Speaker 9: top of him.
• 53:50
  Speaker 13: And the other one is an honest question to Evan
• 53:53
  Speaker 13: if he's ever really I mean, I know, we joke
• 53:55
  Speaker 13: about it a lot, if he's ever really thought about
• 53:58
  Speaker 13: coaching or.
• 54:01
  Speaker 8: I don't know, like you know, the.
• 54:06
  Speaker 13: Someone that could actually do it, you know what I mean.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: But that is good, That is very flattering. I am
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: way too kind.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Some of us don't look that way.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Paul is right on this one. Actually, uh no, not
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: not really, because I do not think I'm not that
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: much of an egomaniac. I think that I could actually
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: actually do it.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Why don't you put this to the test, because I
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: think I'll be coaching flag football this year.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: Why don't we have Evan put the playbook together for my.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Flag Teamerto Rico. No, I need all this run match
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: the entire time gives me vibe.
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: Evan gives me vibes of when your bro Peppers was
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: asked about flag football when he's like flag football, No,
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: I'm too violent for that.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I like people just to play the game. Because the
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: caller brought it up. I can't coach all right, Like
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I know that. I like you no way. But personnel
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: has always like I've always loved that, Like the draft
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: is like my my favorite time of year.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I would have thought the other way.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: If I had to get if I had to go
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: into one direction, whether it would be in the personnel
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: department scouting for the draft or whatever, or like advanced
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: scouting of opponents, you know, like watching you know, the
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: upcoming opponents film and breaking that down. That would be
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: more of my thing. But like hands on, like going
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: out to practice every day, and like coaching players hands on, No,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: like I look more out of place than Dante Scarneki did.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Like I can't do that now.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry to the Las Army on that one. All right,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: last call of the day. This is gonna be Jesse
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: in Washington.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: Hey, Jesse, Hey, guys.
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: Quick question here, what have they done to address the
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: biggest problem that exists for the New England Patriots, which
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: is their offensive team? Offensive personnel. I feel like Giron
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: Mayo is the answer question that no one was asking,
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: which is do we need a leader? Do we need
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: someone who can remake the defensive side of the football.
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: He doesn't actually address what is the root cause of
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: the Patriots failures over the last several years. So I
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: guess why have we not taken more aggressive steps to
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: address the offense in the personnel on the side of
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: the offense?
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Gotcha, good question, Jesse. Thanks.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we waiting to see who's going to be running
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: the offense.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, that's to me when we we get
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: to go to Girod's presser on Wednesday at noon, and
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I think we said that already, but that's when the
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: introductory press conference is. That's the number one question in
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: the room is what's the plan on offense? Like we
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: all love you, Girod, and like congratulations, happy for you.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Defense going to stay the same because you.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Know every single one of these guys congratulations.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I I work for the team,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: So me saying it is like I already have a
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: little bias in me, as you can probably tell, like these.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Are actually really happy these other.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: People like never mind, the point is number one question
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: in the room has got to be we all right, Like,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: we know you can coach defense. We know that side
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: of the ball is pretty set personnel wise too. What's
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: the plan on offense? What's what's your view, what's your
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: philosophy on offense? Because I went back and listened to
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: some of his responses during the season, and a couple
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: of them were okay, and a couple of them were
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: not so exciting, like he did.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: You can't just say we want to score points.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: He said, the score points. He said at one point
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: that he would be happy to win every game three
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: to nothing, and I threw up a little bit in
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: my mouth, So.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Like, why not be happy to win thirty to nothing? Right?
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: So that that that's the number one question?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Nine?
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not telling you want to sacrifice your defense.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: You don't have to sacrifice defense, But what's score a lot? Yeah,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: and not give up any That's that fine? Fine?
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: Okay, So we're trying to see big twelve football where
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: there's just.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: There you go, already did nothing of it?
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: All right, Well that's going to do it for this
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: emergency podcast. Of course, we get a long weekend coming up,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: and then we'll have gid MAO officially introduced next week.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: Maybe we'll get some answers as far as GM.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I guess we We'll have a show on Wednesday as well,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: you know, with the twelve o'clock press conference. Maybe a
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: setup similar to what we did on Thursday. Maybe Mike
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: and I will be with Fred and maybe tomorrow and
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Evan will be in the best conference to make sure
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: that you can graduate.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: I'm so proud of you. You were my first choice.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I would like to congratulate you. Thank you.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: Paul is breaking news on the pot here Well, emergency.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Shows, I think that's what we should do on Wednesday.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I'll bring it up to Fred and maybe he'll get
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: back to me. I don't know. I doubt it.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: Persona non grata, I want to thank everybody for tuning
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: in love all the attention for the emergency pods.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: You guys are clamoring for one, so we're happy to
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: give you one.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: And who knows, hopefully this might not be the last
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: one of the off season. Otherwise, we'll see you Tuesday,
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: usual time, twelve to two Mayo Era.
• 59:01
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