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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-26-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought you by Big Wellies
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  Speaker 1: on Utah's number one sports talk and home of the
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  Speaker 1: ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one alf AM, a
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  Speaker 1: proud part of Utah's ESPN Radio Network.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday, everybody, it's a Tuesday. It feels like Monday,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe it feels like a Wednesday because you're already
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  Speaker 2: into your work week after a long holiday weekend. Hopefully
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  Speaker 2: everyone had a great one out there in the world,
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  Speaker 2: and especially here in our beautiful state of Utah. What
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  Speaker 2: just spectacular weather at least yesterday where you had some
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  Speaker 2: cloud cover and then it would blow away, and if
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  Speaker 2: you were out camping, you probably maybe got sprinkled on,
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  Speaker 2: maybe got a little bit of a wind scare. But
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  Speaker 2: as far as I know, there was nothing like overly
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  Speaker 2: obnoxious in terms of frightening weather.
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  Speaker 3: And uh yeah, summer has begun.
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  Speaker 2: Let's make it a great summer people, all right, If
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  Speaker 2: you've got kids, plan some stuff that you've never done
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  Speaker 2: with them before. If you don't have kids, get to
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  Speaker 2: places you've never been before. Tell your jobs. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: get all my work done. I'm gonna make sure that
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  Speaker 2: I pull my weight around here. But man, I want
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  Speaker 2: to experience this summer. We are lucky to live in
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  Speaker 2: such a gorgeous state feeling good. There's a strange thing
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  Speaker 2: happening in the sports world right now that we have
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  Speaker 2: these cliches right well, Major League Baseball is better when
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees are good, and NFL football benefits from when
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  Speaker 2: the Cowboys are relevant. Football is better now. I pushed
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  Speaker 2: back hard on that one especially, But we have seen,
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  Speaker 2: for the first time since I was a young lad,
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  Speaker 2: we have seen the New York Knicks in this NBA
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  Speaker 2: playoff seem like they're a team that might actually win
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  Speaker 2: an NBA championship this year. And the Knicks, obviously, Madison
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  Speaker 2: Square Garden is one of the sports meccas, and the
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  Speaker 2: Knicks are part of that legendary sort of building and
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  Speaker 2: the history in that building.
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  Speaker 3: And the Knicks.
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  Speaker 2: Swept their way through the Eastern Conference Finals to an
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  Speaker 2: NBA Final where they will await either the San Antonio
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  Speaker 2: Spurs and Victor wimbin Yama or the foul Merchant himself,
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  Speaker 2: Shay Gilgess Alexander James. I was so bothered that I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't on the show at the end of last week
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  Speaker 2: when the numbers were actually coming out, when the percentages
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  Speaker 2: were actually being calculated on just how often the top
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  Speaker 2: players in the NBA they fall to the ground on
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  Speaker 2: shot attempts, because there's plenty of people who definitely don't
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  Speaker 2: do their best to maintain balance. And I don't even
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  Speaker 2: begrudge the average player trying to english up to juge
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  Speaker 2: up the contact that's happening. But Shake guil Just Alexander,
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  Speaker 2: now back to back MVP is seeing his sort of
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  Speaker 2: like we're in awe of you reputation.
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  Speaker 3: He has already become the villain.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Shake guil Just Alexander will never win another MVP award,
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  Speaker 2: all right, book it, mark it down. It's not going
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  Speaker 2: to happen unless he completely alters his style of play
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  Speaker 2: because the narrative on him has switched shortly after winning
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  Speaker 2: the award, which is insane, has switched from being like
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  Speaker 2: an acknowledgment of his excessive theatrics to now heavy criticism
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  Speaker 2: of that style of basketball play, of people talking about
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  Speaker 2: how this is bad for the game. And we do
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  Speaker 2: this thing all the time where we say, well, the
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  Speaker 2: game benefits from these major market teams being relevant and
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  Speaker 2: good while baseball is in it so much more interesting
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  Speaker 2: when the Dodgers and the Yankees are good. I guess
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  Speaker 2: maybe for you if you're in the well the Red
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  Speaker 2: Sox too. Your Red Sox not one of those teams
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  Speaker 2: where people say, yeah, baseball is better off when the
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  Speaker 2: Red Sox, and I think honestly that baseball is better
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  Speaker 2: off when the Red Sox are good, way more than
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  Speaker 2: when the.
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  Speaker 3: Dodgers are good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I my question whenever I hear that it is
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  Speaker 4: better for who, because everyone who's in a region, whether
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  Speaker 4: local market or the surrounding regions of a team in
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  Speaker 4: one of those sports, is excited and loves that sport.
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  Speaker 4: But ESPN it's not better for them because they only
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  Speaker 4: want to play the hits. They only want to play
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  Speaker 4: the Lakers. They only want to play the talk. Play
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  Speaker 4: the game where you talk about the Lakers. You come
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  Speaker 4: up with a way to talk about the Lakers and
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  Speaker 4: Lebron every day, even if there's.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: They want to come up with the way to talk
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  Speaker 4: about Dak Prescott and the Cowboys every day, even if
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  Speaker 4: there's nothing to talk about. They want to find a
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  Speaker 4: way to talk about the Yankees and Dodgers every day,
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  Speaker 4: even if there's nothing to talk about. Yeah, sure, it's
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  Speaker 4: not very good for them when the Knicks, and the
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  Speaker 4: Knicks are one of those teams too, it's not very
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  Speaker 4: good for them when the Knicks and the Lakers and
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  Speaker 4: the and the Yankees and the Cowboys aren't in the
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  Speaker 4: Super aren't in the Finals or the Championship, right in
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  Speaker 4: the World Series, whatever it might be. But it's perfectly
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  Speaker 4: fine for everybody else. And that's not just saying those
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  Speaker 4: team have lots of haters. That's saying that people love
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  Speaker 4: the sport when the team they root for is good.
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  Speaker 3: Is always happen.
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  Speaker 2: So is the NBA better off when it's MVP is
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  Speaker 2: known as a savage competitor, who will fight you, who
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  Speaker 2: will bite your face off, who will battle through contact,
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  Speaker 2: who will you know, wave the trainers off, who will
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  Speaker 2: go through the flu game whatever? Or is it better
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  Speaker 2: off when your MVP is a guy that justifies journalists
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  Speaker 2: going through and plugging into GROCK or into chat GPT
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  Speaker 2: or whatever and saying how many times does this guy
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  Speaker 2: fall on shot attempts?
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  Speaker 3: It's like, oh.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, the time he hits the deck after he takes
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  Speaker 2: a shot, that is absurd.
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  Speaker 4: Whether there's contact or not, or if it's it's like
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  Speaker 4: a contract.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I joked about it on Twitter, like if
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  Speaker 2: you have the bit to leap but not to land,
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  Speaker 2: that's a bad thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably gonna get hurt a lot. You're gonna.
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  Speaker 2: And and there was the sort of secondary conversation after that.
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  Speaker 2: All that stuff came out, like I think Byama, who
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  Speaker 2: people will criticize when min Yama for sometimes you know,
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  Speaker 2: like exaggerating contact against him and fine, okay, but the
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  Speaker 2: numbers showed that he falls down five percent of the time.
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  Speaker 3: That still feels like too much.
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  Speaker 2: But the secondary conversation that came after, like, here's what
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  Speaker 2: these numbers are is that, uh, you'll notice if you
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  Speaker 2: go back a lot of guys that this was their
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  Speaker 2: style of play. Eventually they get hurt because the human
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  Speaker 2: body is not supposed to land on hardwood floor after
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  Speaker 2: it jumps into the air over and over and over
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  Speaker 2: and over, and like we're.
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  Speaker 3: Talking about hundreds of times during a season. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, do you remember Dwayne Wade when he was when
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  Speaker 4: he was had his Converse shoe. There's a great commercial
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  Speaker 4: of him hitting the deck a bunch of times and
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  Speaker 4: then it said fall down seven times, get up eight. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he blew out his knee like a year later. And
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  Speaker 4: he wasn't necessarily a flopper, but he was. He was
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  Speaker 4: that guy like pump fake and then lean into it
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  Speaker 4: kind of thing, but he was he was always on
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  Speaker 4: the ground.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure he had that was what he did
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  Speaker 4: the rest of the time, at least falling on the
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  Speaker 4: ground type of thing. He would pump in and lean
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  Speaker 4: into the defender kind of thing, which is outlawed now. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure he did that much after he blew
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  Speaker 4: out his knee because of what you just said, Like, okay, great,
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  Speaker 4: Alan Iverson was another guy who hit the deck a bunch,
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  Speaker 4: but not necessarily for flopping. He just kind of played
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  Speaker 4: with the reckless band.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He sort of just had like a reckless, out of
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  Speaker 3: control style.
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  Speaker 4: So Tama Rant is a similar does that. Similarly, he
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  Speaker 4: plays absolute reckless aband. He doesn't necessarily hit the floor
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  Speaker 4: a lot, but he's you watch him, you like, are
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  Speaker 4: you in control it all? And then he makes spectacular
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  Speaker 4: play like that.
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  Speaker 2: He sort of lives his life with that reckless abandon
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  Speaker 2: He's a little bit crazy when you dial it back
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  Speaker 2: into like the two time MVP who's still pursuing this
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  Speaker 2: year an NBA championship. And you've seen really over the
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  Speaker 2: course of two weeks now the narrative, I won't say flip,
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  Speaker 2: because there were already plenty of people around the NBA
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  Speaker 2: who had called him a foul merchant and said that
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  Speaker 2: they don't like that style of play. But now it's
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  Speaker 2: just like you've almost been given permission to be really
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  Speaker 2: mad about it. And if you're a writer, if you're
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  Speaker 2: a pundit on television, it now can be sort of
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  Speaker 2: front of mind for you. And it's really odd to see.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm juxtaposing these two things. Where you look at it,
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  Speaker 2: it's like the New York Knicks are They're a wagon
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  Speaker 2: right now, they are hyped up. Everyone is like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my gosh, the Knicks. And I think we're all okay
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  Speaker 2: because they haven't had a lot of success recently. I
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  Speaker 2: think we're all actually a little bit energized weirdly by
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  Speaker 2: the New York Knicks having a moment in the sun
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  Speaker 2: because it's been so long and this will wear very thin,
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  Speaker 2: very quickly if they're able to sustain it in any
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  Speaker 2: kind of way. But the New York Knicks are an
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  Speaker 2: exciting team right now, and it begs the question that
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  Speaker 2: I'm asking is it is the league better off with
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  Speaker 2: the New York Knicks being in that conversation all the time?
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  Speaker 2: I think the league probably feels so because they're the
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  Speaker 2: number one media market in America. Does the average NBA fan,
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  Speaker 2: Does the average Jazz fan feel like, yeah, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: the league's a lot more interesting when the Knicks are
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  Speaker 2: in it. I think actually, weirdly enough, the Spurs, as
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  Speaker 2: a small market team, kind of fit that billing for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of NBA fans, like the league's better off
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  Speaker 2: when the Spurs are there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think it depends on where you live, because if
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  Speaker 4: you live in Salt Lake City, for example, or in
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  Speaker 4: Utah the surrounding areas, you feel some solidarity with the
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  Speaker 4: other with the other smaller market mid smaller market teams,
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  Speaker 4: including the San Antonio Spurs.
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  Speaker 2: Which for the Spurs is actually a very for me
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  Speaker 2: kind of a complicated thing because you've been open in
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  Speaker 2: the past as a franchise and saying like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: want to copy what they're doing down there, like we
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  Speaker 2: love RC Buford's game plan. There was a time when
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  Speaker 2: the Jazz were just like open about the fact that
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  Speaker 2: look what the Spurs are right now with This was
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  Speaker 2: the Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, Mono Genobli years where the
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  Speaker 2: Jazz were just kind of figuring some things out, and
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  Speaker 2: they were just like, yeah, look what they do. We
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  Speaker 2: can do that because we are a similar market size,
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  Speaker 2: we have a similar sort of demographic and fan base.
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  Speaker 3: We can be that team.
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  Speaker 2: But I was always like, yeah, cool, cool, cool, But
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  Speaker 2: they're a team that's going to knock you out of
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs even when you get there.
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  Speaker 3: They should be a team.
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  Speaker 2: There's a rivalry there, but there's a certain amount of respect.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know where a lot of Jazz fans
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  Speaker 2: net out on it. I think that the Spurs are
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  Speaker 2: generally respected on the franchise level all the way down
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  Speaker 2: to the player level for the most part, to where
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  Speaker 2: a lot of NBA fans feel like, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: if the Spurs are there, it's a good it's good storytelling,
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  Speaker 2: it's a good narrative for the league, which doesn't make
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  Speaker 2: sense from their market size perspective. It's more their history
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  Speaker 2: and their success the Knicks. It makes obvious sense from
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  Speaker 2: the market size. The Lakers obvious sense, the Boston Celtics
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  Speaker 2: and things like that, And then I got to begging
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  Speaker 2: the question, all right, cool, yeah, what's good for the league.
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  Speaker 3: What's bad for the league? How much does the League commission?
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  Speaker 3: How much does the office?
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  Speaker 2: They're never gonna admit these things publicly, but like, is
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  Speaker 2: Adam Silver dancing a jig that the New York Knicks
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  Speaker 2: are in the NBA Finals? Probably yes, yeah, on the
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  Speaker 2: same well, on the opposite side of the same token,
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  Speaker 2: are they looking at their MVP now being criticized, being
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  Speaker 2: run through the ringer for his style of play, knowing
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  Speaker 2: that they have no control over his style of play,
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  Speaker 2: knowing that they have no way to really truly influence
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  Speaker 2: whether or not SGA and by extension, Oklahoma City continues
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  Speaker 2: to pursue greatness in this exact type of way. Because
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  Speaker 2: I would make an argument that if your MVP is
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  Speaker 2: a player that's involved in a lot of off the
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  Speaker 2: court or off the field scandal, that's bad for a league.
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  Speaker 2: If your player, if your MVP or the best player
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  Speaker 2: in your league is involved in some kind of like
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  Speaker 2: gambling conversation, that's terrible for a league. If your best
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  Speaker 2: coach is somebody who ends up in the news because
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  Speaker 2: of you know, some some domestic violence problem or something
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  Speaker 2: horrible like that. That's bad, not just for the coach,
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  Speaker 2: not just for the team, not just for the fan,
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  Speaker 2: it's the whole league.
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  Speaker 3: You're just like, oh, that's not good. And I wonder.
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  Speaker 2: While the league office is like, awesome, we get to
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  Speaker 2: we get to trot out a bunch of old Knicks
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  Speaker 2: footage from their glory days, and we're gonna make sure
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  Speaker 2: that there's all these guys sitting court side that were
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  Speaker 2: part of teams that either won championships long ago or
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  Speaker 2: were some of the greats that never were able to
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  Speaker 2: get over the hump. I mean, we've seen Patrick Ewing
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  Speaker 2: sitting there like, dang, how come we weren't able to do
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  Speaker 2: exactly this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the nineties Knicks are in full force at the Garden.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone but Charles Oakley, of course, because James Dolan is
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  Speaker 4: because James Dolan has banned him because of his stupid
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  Speaker 4: deep state he's got going on down there.
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  Speaker 3: But we'll we digressed from that.
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  Speaker 4: But you got John Stark's court side, you got Patrick
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  Speaker 4: Ewing court side of course, Uh, going back to their
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  Speaker 4: actual glory days, you got Walt Clyde Fraser on the
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  Speaker 4: he's on the uh the local broadcast, so he's at
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  Speaker 4: every game, like, yeah, they're in full force.
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  Speaker 2: So play this game real quick with me, James. Good
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  Speaker 2: for the league, bad for the league?
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  Speaker 3: All right?
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  Speaker 2: The New York Knicks being right now the best team
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  Speaker 2: in the East from a from a league perspective, for.
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  Speaker 4: The league, right, I think, yeah, that's no brainer. Good
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  Speaker 4: for the league.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, the Oklahoma City Thunder being until proven otherwise, the
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  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City Thunder being the best team in the league period,
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  Speaker 2: the defending champs the model franchise for now good for
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  Speaker 2: the league, bad for the league.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's good because it represents the
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  Speaker 4: parody that you can have in this league. Even if
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  Speaker 4: they went back to back championships. And I know you say,
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  Speaker 4: I know you're probably going, wait, how's that? How's that parody?
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  Speaker 4: Because the because a team in Oklahoma City won back
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  Speaker 4: to back championships, that's parody.
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  Speaker 3: No, I actually think you're right about that.
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  Speaker 2: I think that even though, again, the the sponsor narrative
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  Speaker 2: and the market sized narrative probably doesn't one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: fit with like you benefiting from Oklahoma City a small
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  Speaker 2: market team. Oklahoma, by the way, one of the three
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  Speaker 2: states in the country that only have one professional sports franchise.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know what the other two are?
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  Speaker 2: There's three states in the United States one that have
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  Speaker 2: one professional team in the Big Four? Do you know
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  Speaker 2: who the it's Oklahoma is one. I don't know off
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  Speaker 2: the top of my head. Something that seems they would
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  Speaker 2: seem like I would just know, though, Well, if I
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  Speaker 2: had given you even like a miny like I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to stump you eight seven seven three five three zero
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred. If you know the answer to that question,
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you some James Peterson bonus points.
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  Speaker 4: Louisiana, right, No, they got the Saints in the Saints right, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I'll keep thinking. Yeah, and what one is?
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  Speaker 2: One is kind of easy to to figure to remember
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  Speaker 2: and to figure out the other one.
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  Speaker 3: Like stumped me.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh wow, I forgot because they used
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  Speaker 2: to have here's a hint. They used to have more
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  Speaker 2: than one and now they only have one.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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  Speaker 4: It's some text come in before it and don't don't Chatt,
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  Speaker 4: don't google it. You're it's probably gonna be wrong anyway,
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  Speaker 4: because AI is not giving you one hundred percent correct
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  Speaker 4: stuff anyway, I especially on sports think I told you
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  Speaker 4: this off air. I had, you know, writing promos for games,
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  Speaker 4: uh during Utah football season, and I'm writing one for
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  Speaker 4: their game against Kansas State. And they had never Utah
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  Speaker 4: had never played Kansas State before except when you you
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  Speaker 4: when you when you do an AI search, it told
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  Speaker 4: you that they played them twice. When you actually check
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  Speaker 4: Utah's website, it says they never played them. What AI
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  Speaker 4: was confusing is University of Kansas Jayhawks, who they had
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  Speaker 4: played a couple of times pre Big twelve ERA, and
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  Speaker 4: the Kansas State Wildcats obviously two different teams, but AI
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  Speaker 4: apparently thinks they're the same, so that you get those
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  Speaker 4: kind of mistakes all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Now, uh, Jordan on the text line Memphis, this is
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  Speaker 2: not a state.
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  Speaker 3: Don't say Memphis at us.
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  Speaker 2: The states that have one of the big four professional
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  Speaker 2: franchises cities. And by the way, with respect to MLS,
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  Speaker 2: you're out of this right now. Okay, there they'd be
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  Speaker 2: like maybe five NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL. Yeah, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee by the way, is not correct because you got
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  Speaker 2: the Titans. You have the Titans also, and it sounds
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  Speaker 2: like the Predators, and it sounds like wink wink, nudge nudge.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe they're gonna be a four sport state. Yeah, they're
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: gonna be a four sports state.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: Three of them in Nashville, and maybe maybe Memphis. Maybe
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Grizzlies moved to Nashville.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: This is gonna have to move to Nashville eventually. Nashville
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: is a Nashville is a great, great town. It is
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: a really cool city to go visit. It's it's a
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: lot of fun. Yeah, I don't know.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it be.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I've never taken my kids to Nashville because like a
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: lot of the stuff you can do, like you can't
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: take your kids to a honky Tonk unless I guess
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: it's during the day. They're playing live music all day anyway.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: But we have one. We have one correct answer so far.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: One.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So I'm proud of all of you. By the way,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I'm proud of all of you for not just googling this.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm gonna check it before a.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: To see if it's one that I would have guessed
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: before I say it out loud.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Here, It's not Nevada, because Nevada now has an NFL
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: team and an NHL team, and they're getting a Major League.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Baseball team soon.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: They're gonna Vegas is gonna be a four sports city
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: the next like five years probably.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And if certain that while if certain reports are to
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: be believed, Nashville will be at least three maybe four,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and Salt Lake City sounds like it's gonna be three
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: or four.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, So so you're talking about Adam, Yeah, Adam hasn't
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: got it right home Oregon, and then I I'm gonna
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: say Washington right no, because they got the Kraken. Now
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: that's right, because you said used to be more than one.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: So I was thinking Sonics.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: So very similar.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Think of another state that had an NBA team that
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: then moved out, because that's what happened to this.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Kansas City Kansas incorrect, Kansas has Kansas broy Well, they're
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Missouri too, they're on the Missouri site. I got you
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: got royals, Kansas technically as zero, you got royals, I
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: got Chiefs and Cardinals.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: So Kansas doesn't fit because they're actually but it's actually Missouri.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: If we want it, because it's border town. If you
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: want to say they're Kansas, then they got.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: To and the question is who has one? Now who
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: has zero?
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: So you're so, is it Missouri, it's had, it's it's
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: New Jersey because they got the Devils. They have the Devils,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: and they used to have the Nets.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And now the Nets obviously are not even in the
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: same state as the Knicks. They're in the same city
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: as the Knicks.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, but if we're gonna, okay, here we go, I
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: know that I actually I'm pretty sure.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know that.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: The Kansas City teams are on the Missouri side for now,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: and maybe the Chiefs are moving to the Kansas side
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: here soon. So if you want to say those are
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: all Missouri because maybe they're technically on the Missouri side
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: of the border there, then sure. But if you do
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: if you want to just say, if you want to
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: put them as Kansas because it's a border town, who
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: cares which side you're on there there, you could say
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: they're in either state. Missouri only has one team, right,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: the Cardinals.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Well they have three though if you're going by the
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: if you go by yeah, I'm just saying if we right, yeah,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I mean Kansas.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: If However, it depends on how you want to look
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: at it. They either have zero or they have two. Kansas,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: they really have zero. For the sake of this trivia question,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: they have zero. Because I'm making it too complicated.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: No, it's a but it's confusing because it's Kansas City.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: But it's Kansas City, Missouri. It's it is complicated. Yeah,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: but in any case, the answer so Oklahoma. Oklahoma's got
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: only the Thunder, Oregon's got only the Blazers, and New
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Jersey has only the Devils.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Did you say it was three or was it four?
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: It's three? Okay, it's three.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: So those are the three states with only one professional
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: franchise in the Big Four. Now, and and to go
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: back to what we were originally talking about and not
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: just making this whole segment about the trivia question, when
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: your best team is in one of those states where
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: that's all you've got as a state, that's all you've
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: got from a pro sports standpoint, and I know college
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: sports now are pro sports, and Oklahoma's got some of
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the big ones.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Oh did you you find another one?
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Just someone texted again correcting me because I've been completely
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: wrong on all these are in Saint Louis Blues. So
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: there's so Saint Louis has too, So I just don't
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: listen to me at all, is what we've learned in
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: this segment on this particular thing.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: So Missouri's got all four No, they have three of
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the four. No, they have they have everything. They are
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: three of the four sports, but two teams in one sport,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: which is crazy. But when you've got a small market
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: team that it is like the lone pro sports franchise,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: major pro sports franchise in a state that is the
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: home of your reigning MVP and the home of your
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: returning champions. I feel like, in an odd way, that
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: is also good for the league, and it's it's good
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: for the league in a different way than the Knicks
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: being relevant again is good for the league. But I
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: think it's starting to be undermined, and we are are
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: we are watching in real time the erosion of people's
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: acceptance of and enthusiasm for that particular brand of basketball,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: that particular team's success. I'm reading the text line and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I think we just got got by William Smith.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I don't think see. But they're called New York like I.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: So we either have to go with Kansas City or
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Kansas City teams and then which case they're too Yeah,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: but but that's but that's also Kansas City is in Missouri,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: so that's fine.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: But I like, I feel like it's okay to say
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: that the Devils are the only one in New Jersey
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: because they're not the New Jersey Jets, They're not the
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: New Jersey Giants. It's like the Chicago Bears might be
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: in Indiana, but can Indiana claim the Bears not? I mean,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: there's Chicago the name, it's in the name, but I
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: mean whatever.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I may have just derailed an entire segments, there's at
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: least after a long weekend, there's at least two if
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: you want to be if you want to be really
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: technical about Hey, they actually play their games here, but
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: the name is not where they play their games.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: There's at least two maybe three.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Uh more relevant to the actual topic of at hand.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Here Derek, who is one of our most frequent Texters
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and we always appreciate him. We're getting mad about a
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: guy playing the game the way the NBA has set
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: it up. How many times have Lillard George harden kd
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: literally jumped into a defender SGA is playing the game.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: It's the ref's job to call the foul correctly, and
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: he doesn't complain about getting about not getting calls. To me,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the entire league full of hypocrites that don't want to
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: acknowledge that this whole thing is the league's fault. Here's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the things are supposed to adjudicate. But what we have
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: never asked for from a good faith, realistic standpoint in
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: sports is we have never asked for the referees to
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: be the thing that fixes, corrects, makes a game right.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: We've always wanted it to be coaches and players that
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: carry the weight of making the game good. And if
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: the league has set up a situation that rewards this
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: type of play, absolutely that deserves to be criticized, the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: same way that the league hypocritically got mad at the
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz for tanking in a way that was slightly
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: more creative than tanking.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: When you have set up a system that incentivize is tanking, like.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: You're right, that is kind of a bs stance for
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the league to take, for fans in other cities around
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the league to take like, oh, they're ruining the integrity
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: of the game by doing this.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: It's like knock it off.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: The San Antonio Spurs are on the verge of an
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: NBA finals way had a schedule because they did the
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: same thing. So I'm not saying that there's anything like
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the NBA. Just like every other pro sports league, but
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: maybe especially the NBA is certainly prone to its hypocrisies.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: But from a fan standpoint, I do not, and I
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: appreciate that you do, Derek, if that's how you do it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I do not sit there and watch SGA and the
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: famous d'aron Fox non contact flop that the referees then
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: did screw up by calling the foul. I do not
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: then let Sga off the hook. As a fan, I
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: don't say, oh, well, he's just playing the way the game.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: He's just playing the game the way that he's been
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: encouraged to play it by the rules set.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I don't look at things that way.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: When Major League Baseball was not testing for performance enhancing
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: drugs in any kind of meaningful way, my reaction was like, well,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: of course then they should take it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: That's not correct for me. That's not the way that
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: you handle these things.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: There's the responsibility for a player to compete in good faith,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: and in my opinion doing things, playing the game of
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: basketball with an intention not to manipulate his way to
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a foul, to a free throw line, to a foul shot,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: but to try to score the ball in like the
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: actual run of play.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: To me, that's better.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: That's again we're talking about these ethereal concepts of good
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: for the league, bad for the league. Like he's obviously
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: good for the league. He's selling a bunch of jerseys.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think it is in the league's best interest though,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: to have its best player in that conversation.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Kobe was never really in that conversation.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Now he was in other conversations about popularity and whether
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: you should be rooting for him. Michael Jordan was never
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: in that conversation about like, now, did he get too
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: many calls? Yes, he did, But was it because he
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: campaigned aggressively for them with his body language, not like SGA.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: There's there's always been dialogue with referees and guys, various
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: players being way too obnoxious about it. And you could
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: apply that to the greats in in Jordan's z Era
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: and before that, and Kobe zero and before that. But
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: this is this is a relatively new thing where we
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: are like you say, with your with your body, trying
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: to over sell contact that isn't there well, and and
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: SGA is doing it at a level probably maybe higher
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: than anyone else has done, maybe other than James Harden.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: For me, when we're about to watch the soccer World
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Cup and we're all excited about it, Okay, I know
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that the World Cup is not a league, but I
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: will tell you, and I will say this when we're
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: talking World Cup soccer while we're watching it. To me,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it is bad for the league that the the uh
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: flopping in soccer, especially on the international stage, has been
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: normalized to the extent that it is like to me,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: that's that's that's a bad for the sport kind of
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: a thing.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: It's we're way too far past the point of no
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: return with that in international soccer. It is just deeply
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: ingrained in international soccer. Major MLS soccer is less like that,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: but there's plenty of it in MLS soccer as well.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: It's just that's the sport. And I will say till
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I die that that is part of the reason why
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: the average American sports fan has a harder time with
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: soccer than they do with some of these other sports.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: You can't, like, don't tell me to respect the best
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: player in the game when he's having an aneurysm over
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: somebody's hand accidentally glazing his face. They flop, they fall,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: they get the spray. They do that thing where they're saying,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: can you believe he touched me?
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Can you believe it? Can you believe it? Can you
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: believe it? Can you believe it?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Then you think your TV's on repeat that it got
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: stuck in some kind of glitch because they're freaking out
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: so much, like I will go to my grave thinking
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: that's something that affects the popularity of the sport of
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: soccer in the United States. And we're seeing that level
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: of flopping from the league's MVP in the NBA at
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: the same time that we're watching another an a long
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: sleeping giant in the East potentially waking up. And it
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: just to me was a really interesting sort of juxtaposition,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a black and white here where
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: it's like that, right there is something that the league
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: is probably very excited about, and this over here is
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: probably something that the league is like, are we gonna
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: have to do something about this too? Like we did
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: with the tanking thing. We tried. We tried to address
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the flopping thing because of Dwayne Wade, and now we're
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: gonna have to do it again because SGA.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'll say this too. Is it good for
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: the league? If the Thunder pull out this series? It's
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: too too could go either way. Is it good for
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: the league that both teams have the exact same color scheme?
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Is that good for the orange and blue skies? Who
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: are you talking about?
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Well, thankfully the Thunder have sort of a weird what's
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the official name of their blue?
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not quite the same color blue. Anyway, we
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: got to take a break.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Gordy Chiays is going to join us on the show
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: today because obviously that's what we do on Tuesdays with
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: our resident NBA guru. We've got a very robust daily
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: dump today, so I'll probably spend some extra time on that.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: John Forsland from Sports USA and the former Seattle crack
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and play by play man who also spend time with
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the Carolina Hurricanes. Are we going to see a Western
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Conference Finals sweep in the most unexpected fashion in the NHL.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about all of it on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: It's ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Peace Out.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy chias He's forgotten more about the
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Let's not get crazy.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: the day. My list today. Here's o C with Basketball
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: sob on Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Welcome in our good friend, Gordy Chiasa, resident NBA guru,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: basketball insider of the highest order.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Gordi Chiers are welcome. How was your weekend?
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: It was really well? How about yourself?
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Got home, got home from the PFL duties in Brussels, Belgium,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: and I'll tell you there's something special about returning from
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: overseas on like a very American feeling type of weekend
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: and holiday.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I love flying home.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I've done it several times, where you fly home on
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the fourth of July or you fly home. This was
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I think the first time I did it on Memorial
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Day weekend. There's a good feeling to it, Gordy, Yes.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: There is absolutely. Whenever I went to China and I
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: came back from China back to the States, I literally
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: kissed the ground in the Bay Area.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good feeling. So hopefully everyone out there
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: had a great weekend. I want to get to these
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: playoff series. But I also all NBA teams announced any
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: surprises on this for you?
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, three surprises where especially the thirteen with a Chet
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: Hungrim making the third to hit the third team Terse Maxi,
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: Jamal Murray, Jellen Johnson, Jalen Duran, and chet Hungrin snubbed.
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: I thought might have made the third team would be
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: Scotty Bonds of the Toronto Raptors, who's played great the
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: whole year and his team has improved tremendously, so I
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: was surprised to him not making that team.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: When we talk about the All NBA Teams, there's so
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: many things now associated with this where guys have contract
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: incentives and escalators baked into whether or not they achieve
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: All NBA honors. I mean, this is see it's like
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: as high as stakes as you can get for a
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: postseason or an offseason award.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: Very much. Add to that, also, branding is a huge
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: factor for the listeners. The NBA All Stars are twenty
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: four players. Now the NBA selections comes down to only
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: fifteen players where it's first, second, and thirteen, so it's
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: really the fifteen top players in the NBA versus the
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: Allstar Game, which is the top twenty four players. And
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: sometimes there's injuries those guys are selected but don't play
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: in the game. So quickly, here's the second team. Jalen
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: Brown of the Celtics, Kawhi Leonard of the Clippers who
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: is healthy this year, Donovan Mitchell of the Cabs, Kevin
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: Durant of the Rockets, and Jalen Brunson we know about
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: him for Nikobockers. The first team is Kate Cunningham, Luca
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: Dantege from Slovenia, Victor wen Beymber from France, Nikolai Jokic
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: from Serbia, and Shane Jillis Alexander from Canada. So think
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: about it, Sean, the first All NBA team four to
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: five players are from foreign countries. How good? Yeah, that's
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: how good the rest of the world is. The only
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: guy being obviously is Kate Cunningham. Just quickly a synopsis
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: is that there was two guys that made All NBA first, second,
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: or third team that were picked in the second round.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: They are Jellen Brunson, picked number thirty three back in
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: twenty eighteen, and Nikolai Jokic Briley's mentioned pick number forty
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: one at two thousand and fifteen. There was two guys
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: picked as the first pick of their draft they made
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  Speaker 6: All NBA. They are Victor wen Beyonmber the first pick
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  Speaker 6: in two thousand and twenty three and Kate cutting Him
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  Speaker 6: the first pick in twenty twenty one. The illustration is that, yes,
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  Speaker 6: when you're picking high number one in the lottery, the
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  Speaker 6: chances of that guy being a tremendous player are high,
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: but also it doesn't mean that if you picked in
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: the second round or not a lottery picks, that that
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: guy can be an league player. Also, and Jazz basketball
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: quickly Calmlan Calmalone made All NBA either first, second or
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: third team fourteen times and John Stockton made it eleven. Wow,
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: which shows you how hard.
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  Speaker 3: It is Gordia.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: As it pertains to the Jazz, what is more likely
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: that a player currently on the team will be an
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: All NBA player or that the upcoming number two overall
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: draft pick, assuming that's where they pick, will be an
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: all NBA player at some point in their career.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: What's more likely.
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  Speaker 6: The second pick is the draft. That's how talented these
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: guys could be. They are second pick of the draft.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: So but again it's a maturation product, you know. It's
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: the question philosophically, when does a player who has a
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: really enormous talent merge with the experience of playing in
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: an NBA and leading your team to go minimum deep
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  Speaker 6: in the playoffs. When does it happen? No one knows
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: the answer. It's the great unknown. But this is but
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: this is the NBA is the talent league. You need
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: x amount of degree of talent, then the toughness, then
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: the skill factor, then your trusted allied teammates, and to
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: and to a winning atmosphere. So that's the question. Number
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  Speaker 6: two in the draft this year is going to be
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: a knockout talent and also a guy that that could
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  Speaker 6: lead his franchise. Whoever's going to be Gordy.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: How much conversation is there, you know, in locker rooms
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: with teams about the sort of the politics around these awards,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: because again, these are very impactful these are there's contract
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: implications and legacy implications and things like that. How much
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: conversation is there in the the back rooms of the
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: NBA about like, man, how did our guy get snubbed?
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: What's going on here? For players? Obviously there's some high stakes.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, very much where the coaches and management they're very
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: conscious of it is that they're trying to it helps
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: a franchise that you have. For example, Detroit Pistons, they
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: have two young guys that are all NBA selections. Now
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: they lost in his second round to the Cavaliers in
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: Game seven at home, but the fact of the matter
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: is that they directed very wisely, meaning Kate Cunningham at
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: number one in twenty twenty one and Jalen Durham at
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: number thirteen and twenty twenty two. So Sean, the Pistons
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: back to back years selected the right guy and now
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: three or four years, three or four or five years later,
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: this shows what happens. So it does matter who you draft,
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: and it doesn't matter how you accelerate that person's skill
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: set and also the maturity index, and that's based on
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: your own personality, but also who's around you every single day.
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: Counseling you and who your teammates are.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Gordy Jay's our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: talking about the all NBA teams that are released. No
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz players obviously have made the first, second or
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: third team this year. If if one guy on the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: current roster were to be next to do it, not
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: the you already said the most likely scenarios at the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: upcoming draft pick, we'll probably do it. But who would
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: be the guy that's on the roster now that you'd like?
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: All right? If I had to bet on, somebody would
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: be him?
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: Heys Belly. Yeah, he's got talent, he's young, he's only
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: twenty years old. He's got talent, he's got a winning spirit.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: Two So a someday it is again with the skill set,
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: and he's a maturity factor, and he's a really he's
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: a tremendous young talent. So he'd be the guy that
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: I think that someday it things going to place. Could
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: be that.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the actual basketball still being played.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: You've got Game five tonight in San Antonio, Oklahoma City,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: six thirty Mountain.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Time for the kick for the tip, not the kick
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: off the tip.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: But whoever wins this one, whoever wins this series is
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: going to be going up against a very rested Eastern
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Conference team because the New York Knicks swept their way
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: through the Eastern Conference finals. What do you make of
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: New York right now, Gordy.
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: They're playing at a high level. They enjoy each other.
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: The roles are absolutely defined. That's a huge factor. So
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: the Knicks have talent. Everyone understands who their main guys are,
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: and then the secondary players who are starters are really
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: outperforming the rest of the players that they're competing against. So,
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: for example, besides Jalen Bruns, we know how Grady is again,
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: he's all NBA performer. Calthony Towns is the second cog
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: of that. He's pass happy as a big guy. So
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: the beginning of his Korea re hardly have the pass
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: the ball. Now he's averaging over six as sis per
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: game and whenever he has that numbers in playoffs, the
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: Knickerbockers are seven or zero now. But the other guys
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: that are playing spectacular in their role and that's why
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: they're winning. And that's Michel Bridges, og And and Opie
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: and Josh Hart. So all three of those guys are
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: two way performers that they can score the ball, they
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: can defend their position, and they all rebound and they're
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: all gratty happy. So so that's why they're the Knicks
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: right now have won eleven straight playoff games. Besides the
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: brilliance of the first two guys I mentioned, it's those
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: other three guys that have outplayed everyone else they've played against.
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: So basically, they've outplayed, out, tuffed outshot outsteeled, out rebounded
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: their rivals. And that's why the Knicks could be NBA champions.
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: But let's not forget though the thunder and disposed. Those
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: guys are Game five tonight. It's going to be an
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: absolutely battle and whoever it gets out of the West,
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: you're going to play with Nicobackers. It's going to be
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: really a great series shown. Besides the talent our television
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: partners in the NBA, there will be a static that
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: the Nicrobockers are going to play in prime time for
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: the first time since nineteen ninety nine. And that's just
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: shows you how interesting it is. I'll put in context
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: about nineteen ninety nine, the left to Knicks in the finals.
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: Josh Hart was four years old, Carl Anthony Towns was
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: three years old, mckel Bridges was two years old, Jalen
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: Brunson was two years old, and og n Obi was
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: one year old, and Sean O'Connell was sixteen years and
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: James Peterson was seven years old. I'm putting all contexts.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I remember it well.
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: You were sixteen years old. You're in high school, trying
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: to get get into fights all the time.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I was not. I was trying to avoid getting in
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: fights all the time.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no. You're talking to us now, James
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: Peterson and I and your closest friends of the audience.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: You're getting in fights. You were throwing the elbows and
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: pickup games, and you were tackling people in football games.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Well, I was trying to tackle people in football games.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I wish I had been better at that too. We
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: were talking about that to start the show. The narrative
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: that comes with, Wow, you've got the number one media market,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: You've got a legendary franchise, You've got them back on
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the verge of like true championship relevance. Good for the
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: league to have the New York next year. On the
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: flip side, you've got two small market teams in the
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Western Conference. I still make an argument that both are
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: good stories for the league because they displayed, to James
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Peterson's point he made earlier, it displays that there's real
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: parody that you don't have to be a major market
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: team in order to, you know, win at a championship level. Obviously,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: the San Antonio Spurs have a long history of proving this,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and I think they're a respected enough team and franchise
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: in the league that when they're good, it is quote
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: unquote good for the league. Okase, He's interesting right now
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: because we're seeing a lot of pushback, a lot of
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: complaining about especially Shake Gildes Alexander's style of play. You know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: foul merchant keeps getting thrown at him and all this
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: conversation about him, you know, feigning contact, flopping, et cetera.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: That's not good for the league.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: When your MVP is involved in those types of conversations,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: that's not necessarily good for the NBA. But you know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: you've been around the game forever, Gordy, and you've coached
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: guys that are like this.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: You've coached guys that are the opposite end of the spectrum.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: What can be done about this again, an MVP level
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: player having a style that is maybe somewhat problems.
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: The first question, he's on your team, you love him,
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: your position, you dislike him. As far as him drawing fouls,
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm going to be on my team where
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: the ability to get shoulder by the initial defensive player
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: and then create contacts by throwing his hands into the
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: health defense creates fouls, or when he gets bumped off bounced,
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: he goes into a theatrical audition as far as in Hollywood,
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: I think it's really good, and it's up to the
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: referees to make the call. Who gains the advantage was
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: the opposive player, meaning Shay who was a defensive player
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: who took who didn't take away what his dribble, So
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: that it's more of interpretation by the by the referees.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: I think it's really good. Sean says. An unbelievable, absolutely
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: incredible player in this series. Right now, he's averaging twenty
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: four point eight points per game and tennis assists, even
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: though not shooting very well from the field, And so
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: it's more it's more on the referees to make the
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: judgment call versus shape changing is his style of play.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: The Thunder a tremendous team. They're a great organization. They
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: hit the jackpot on most of their draft picks, both
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: presently and also and future out and so are the Spurs.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: So it's both teams that are small, very similar to
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: the Jazz. You know, again, the Jets hit the jackpot
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: on Chante George, absolutely hit the jackpot on Ace Belly
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: and the second pick this year the Jets who will
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: hit the jackpot also, So the Jazz also are are
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: still in the building stages right now, but they're getting
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: it correctly. And yester year, the Jets, and yes, the
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Jazz basketball hit the jackpot all the time, especially on
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: the second round draft picks. And that's what the Jazz
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: went to the playoffs twenty straight years in a row,
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: though not NBA champions. And that's the judge at the
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: top of the apex.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Who wins Game five, Gordon, Yeah.
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: That should be colossal, all right, Sean in Olkahoma City, Thunder.
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: It's going to be tonight the Thunder and then it
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: be game six, Game six coming up back in uh
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: back in San Antonio. Here's the question, see right now,
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: is that if the Thunder do win tonight, which they should,
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: is that they need more from Chet Hungering. So for example,
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: I'll put in context, Chet Hunkin is an an All
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: NBA player. He made thirteen, so this guy's got talent.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: Alice Crusso has more blocks than Chet Hungering, So Cruise
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: who has five blocks in the series, Honkan has three,
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: and that just shows you that Chet's got to get
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: involved more of his team besides guarding Victor Wembyama, they
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: need more from offensively as far as getting to the
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: offensive offensive boards, but also making making shots right now
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: from the from the Spurs point of view, they more.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: They need more perimeter shooting right now, so Stephen Castle,
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: Dylan Harper, and Julian Champenny, they're shooting from three point range.
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: I call it iglo shooting, meaning ice cold. They're shooting
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: twelve to sixty two from threes. So Victor wem Beyamd
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: is brilliant, is absolutely front and center, but he needs
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: more primitive shooting for his teammates to keep the defense honest.
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: I like tonight the Thunder in a hard four game
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: as far as knocking out and then going to Game
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: six and then Sean Manstin's tell me we're going to
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: play game seven very shortly too.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Lordy, what's your list today?
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: All right? Listen today, Sean about triple doubles. Don't you
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: get this feeling that when Beyonma can get a triple
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: double at any moment, besides points and rebounds, maybe blocks
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: and maybe even maybe even assist. Here we go the
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: most creative playoffs triple double games. I could have only
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: twelve names on this list. Quickly, what's a triple double game?
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: A triple double is recorded when a player registers ten
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: or more in three of the following five categories in
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: a game. They are one points, two assist, three rebounds,
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: four steals, and five blocks. Prior to nineteen seventy four playoffs,
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: the NBA did not officially record steals or blocks. All right,
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: triple double in playoffs games, It's very hard to do.
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: With five and twelfth place five, John Havelchek and eleven place,
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: Oscar Robinson with eight triple doubles with ten plays World
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: Chamberlain with nine, but we never know Sean about his
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: block shots? All right? Tied for six, a four way
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: tie with ten career triple doubles. They are Raijon Rondo,
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: Larry Bird, Draymond Green, and Luca Dantage fifth all time
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: with most ever triple doubles, Jason Kidd with eleven, fourth
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: all time, Russell Westbrook with twelve, third all time, Nikolai
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: Jolkic with twenty three coreer triple doubles, and you get
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: the feeling that he might have on this list very shortly.
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: The most ever number two all times he plays for
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: the Lakers, Lebron James with twenty eight, and the number
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: one player, but the most ever playoff triple doubles is
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: Matt Johnson. He did it thirty times in one hundred
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: and ninety games career wise in the playoffs. Quickly, what
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: about Jazz basketball. It only happened three times in history
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: of Jazz playoff basketball where a guy recorded a triple double.
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: The most recent was Ricky Rubio on four to twenty one,
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: twenty eighteen, firstus the Thunder John Stockton back in April
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: twenty eight, two thousand and one versus Dallason Rabbicks at
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: age thirty nine, had a triple double in the least
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: and the longest ever triple double, which Ricky Green back
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty four, versus the Devin Nuggets. So it's
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: there'll be somebody in jazz basketball. Hopefully soon we'll get
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: a triple double to be on that list. Thus that's
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: my list of today.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I Magic Johnson having more than Lebron given Lebron's longevity,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: is actually pretty crazy.
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So Lebron's played in as we speak right now,
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: three hundred and three playoff games. Bat, you've played one
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: hundred and ninety. But Jokis you showing Yokis is the
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: guy where again, like Victor went beyond. But when they
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: got into the court, whether it's a playoff game, a
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: regular season, whether it's game seven or game you know,
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: twenty five in a regular NBA campaign, those guys are
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: walking triple doubles the way they play. But they can
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: get it out also assist and block shots and rebounds,
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: and that's the most amazing thing about it. Besides points.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Magic played how many years in like thirteen years.
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, thirteen years, Yeah, yeah, thirteen years. So he was
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: absolutely force as far as in playoff games. Remember he's
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: passing the ball to Koreem and then passing the ball
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: to James Worthy, you know, two of his unbelievable sidekicks
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: besides Byron Scott and all the other guys on this team.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Crazy crazy, Gordy, You're the man. Love talking to you, sir.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Thanks for your time as always, Thanks Sean.
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: Peace out.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll try to stay on clock here with
• 53:42
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• 53:45
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• 53:50
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• 53:53
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• 53:55
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• 53:58
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• 54:01
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• 54:03
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  Speaker 2: Playoff hockey, playoff basketball, regular season, baseball, spring football is happening.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: If you're paying attention to that, I don't know how
• 54:49
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• 54:52
  Speaker 2: professional spring football, and we march closer and closer toward
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• 55:00
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• 55:15
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• 55:23
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• 55:38
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• 55:41
  Speaker 2: around your house outside and inside and take a close
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  Speaker 2: so a couple of things on the table right now.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: In college football. There's the advanced there's the expanded college
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: football playoff discussion that's happening. It's an offseason topic that
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: is not going to be resolved until the votes happen
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: later this year. But if a change happens, the change
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: would presumably be for twenty twenty seven, would be for
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: next year's college football playoffs. So there's a really strong
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: chance that this is the last time we see a
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: twelve team college football playoff.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: We just started this thing.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: We're not going to get a long run of it,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: and I'm very curious to know if we will look
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: back someday and say, hey, man, twelve teams was actually
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: kind of a good number. We told you last week
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: that the Big Ten said I want twenty four, and
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: we're going to go with twenty. Now ESPN is pushing
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: back and saying, guys, come on, we don't need twenty four.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: A lot of the more traditional voices in college football
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: are saying we don't need twenty four teams. I warned
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: and cautioned that the Big Ten is probably going to
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: get eventually what it wants because they are the power
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: players in college sports right now, not just college football,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: but college sports right now. The SEC spring meetings, there
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: was a little bit less agreement about what the what
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: the expanded field should look like. The official company line
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: for the SEC, the Greg Sank line, as we only
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: want sixteen teams in the expanded playoff, But there were
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: several coaches that expressed that, yeah, we actually liked the
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: idea of twenty four. So maybe those coaches and this
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: is actually where I get really conspiratorial. From a conference level,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: the SEC is saying we only want sixteen, there are
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: some individual institutions where they're coaches, their athletic directors, maybe
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: even their university presidents are saying, well, we actually like
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: the Big Ten's idea better. My conspiratorial mind immediately goes to, well,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: how much is this people just wanting to stay in
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: the good graces of the Big Ten conference. Is there
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: any of that where people are just like, you know what,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: the Big Ten is in control right now, and the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Big Ten is going to be the body that decides
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: what eventually happens, and what eventually happens, by the way,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: is not going to look like how it looks now.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe we get something that returns to the regionality of sports.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: More likely, we get something that looks like a super
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: league that is comprised mostly of the Big Ten power players,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: the SEC power players, and we hope and we cross
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: our fingers that UTAH and BYU are invited to the party,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: along with the West Coast teams that will be guaranteed
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: their spot because some of them are already in the
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Big Ten conference.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: So that's all on the table right now.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: The SEC has a little bit of disagreement in its
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: own house, which, by the way, from an optic standpoint,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't help the SEC at all, because I am helping
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: drive this narrative. But there's a significant amount of narrative
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: right now that the SEC is losing ground, not as
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: rapidly as everyone else is, but they are losing ground
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: to the all powerful Big Ten. At this particular moment,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: they are still in a position where they can snatch
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: the respect back, they can snatch the accolades back, whereas
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: for some teams that's a lot less realistic. For some conferences,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: and some programs within smaller conferences that's wholly unrealistic. The
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: SEC is still very much a player in this game,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: but they're not in the advantageous position that they found
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: themselves in for decades and decades and decades, and part
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: of their reaction to this is surprising to me because
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: I thought it would be one of solidarity and one
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: of like, we are all going to pull on the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: same rope. We're all going to make sure that our
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: company line is figured it out. I'm telling you we
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: want this. You're telling me, well, we might not want this.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: That's not good from a conference level, but it's kind
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: of fun to watch the SEC maybe showing some of
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: its works because again, for decades, they were the teams
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: and the programs that kind of dictated how everyone else
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: had to do their things, and they're probably squirming with
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: the uncomfortable nature of not being so firmly in control.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Another thing that's on the table and is going to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: be voted on by the NCAA competition committees and by
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: the conferences and by all the decision makers in sports is,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: of course, this new eligibility model.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Is it going to be age based.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Is it going to be a single transfer window, is
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: it going to be enforceable whenever you make a decision
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: on this one way or another, And what it is
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: going into the break was teams all around the country
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: are going to start recruit the LDS athlete at a
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: higher clip. Somewhat tongue in cheek, but not holy, because
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: here's the deal.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: Not holy. Was that on purpose? Whh Okay, I'm.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Mostly being facetious there, but there if it goes through
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: the way that a lot of people think, it's going
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: to the age based model where you have five years
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: to play, five from your high school graduation or your
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: nineteenth birthday, whichever happens first, right, they.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Wanted to be an absolute kind of threshold. I don't
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: know how enforceable that's going to be.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you're going to be able to
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: tell kids, Yeah, we don't have medical red shirts anymore,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: but I missed two years of my college football career,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: my college basketball career, I've missed two years of it
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: because of injuries.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Sorry, But we decide back in twenty twenty six that
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: we don't want twenty seven year olds playing college sports anymore.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: And then someone's going to call a lawyer, and that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: lawyer is going to try to figure something out. So,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: without diving too deep into the weeds on the legal
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: ees and the legality of what these changes eventually are,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: there is going to be and there always was going
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: to be the same traditional loophole that has existed for
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: as long as you have paid attention, as long as
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: I have paid attention to college sports. Military service stops
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: your eligibility clock, religious service stops your eligibility clock. And
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: BYU has long pushed back on the narrative that having
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: older players is an advantage, and I agree with the argument,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Like if if it was agreed upon that having twenty
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: three and twenty four year olds in college football was
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: the best way to do things, then Alabama and Texas
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: would have twenty three and twenty four year olds on
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: their team every single year and always would have had that.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: I'm curious if the COVID.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Extension of eligibility and all these transfers and all this
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: like more recent leniency has changed the consensus opinion on
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: the value of advanced age relative to your peers in
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: college football, Because there was a time where in college
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: if you were a hyper talented freshman, you were still
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: redshirting and you were sitting and then kind of in
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: the late nineties, unless you were an absolute freak, right,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: there was just an accepted sort of traditional threshold where
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: it was like, dude, I don't care if you're the
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: number one recruit in the country your position, you're gonna
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: come here to Ohio State and you're gonna pay your dues.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: And if you start as a sophomore, as a true sophomore,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: that's pretty incredible. You get into the nineties and the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: two thousands and you start having guys that are true
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: freshmen really starting to dominate, and we kind of got
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: rid of that sentiment that true freshmen shouldn't be playing
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: elite level college football anymore. Right, So, like that was
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: a very very institutionalized ingrain belief across every conference, every
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: level for a long time, like don't let these guys
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: play until they have paid their dues, and it just
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: kind of evaporated.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if the consensus opinion that, like, I don't
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: want older players, older players not good. I'm wondering if
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: that has changed. I'm wondering if now that you've got
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti with a bunch of twenty three year olds
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: on his team at Indiana and an undefeated record one
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: of the best college football seasons ever, is like, you
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: know what, there's actually something really good about having this
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: level of physical and mental maturity in a college football program,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: and this reform that is being proposed.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Is going to like put some limitations on that.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Now, again, we're still talking about five years after you
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: turn eighteen, so that's twenty three years old. You can
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: you can play when you're eighteen, when you're nineteen, when
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: you're twenty, when you're twenty one, when you're twenty two,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: and then by the time you're twenty three, that's when
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: you have to be done. Okay, we've had a bunch
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: of twenty three, twenty four to twenty five year olds.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Was there a serious advantage to that? I'm skeptical. I
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: pushed back on it.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Right, the guy that cam what was his last name,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Cam McCormick, Cam, the Oregon guy that transferred Miami. You
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: played eight years in college football, nine years in college football. Like,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: he wasn't the best tight end in the country. He
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: wasn't the best anything in the country. Now, maybe there's
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: a situation where you've got a guy who is great,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: and he's even greater because he's twenty five still playing.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe you're a Utah fan or a Utah State fan
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: who's like, man, I've watched a bunch of BYU guys
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: that if they had to play before their missions and
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: they weren't allowed to play when they came back from
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: their missions, they they would have grown into the guy
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: they ended up being. I am such a I am
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: like pretty anti that whole narrative. I don't know many people,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: and I've known a lot of guys and followed a
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: lot of guys who went on an LDS mission and
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: came back to play football. I don't know very many
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: that came back a better player than they left, or
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: came back even the same player that they were when
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: they left. Now, maybe the back end is where you
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: get the benefit, and maybe there's some data, Maybe there's
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: some actual information out there where, yeah, you sacrifice a
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: little bit when they come back when they're, you know,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: twenty one years old and they're still on mission legs.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: You sacrifice that year, but then they're twelve percent better
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: than they would have been by the time they're twenty
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: three to twenty four years old.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's data out there.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Again, if that data had existed for a long time,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: I think other teams would have modeled this. I'm curious though,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: if now that the average coach in college football not
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: just a BYU coach, not just a Utah coach, not
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: just a Stanford coach that recruits a lot of LDS
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: athletes who have gone on missions. I'm wondering if the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: average coach now has coached guys that are twenty five
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: years old. After COVID, every coach in America had a
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: guy that had four or five six years of eligibility.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: Everyone's done it now.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: And in the case of Indiana that I use as
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: the example, there were a lot of guys on that team.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: There were twenty three plus, right, does Kurt SIGNETI who
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: everyone's going to try to copy kurtz Signetti?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Just kurtzig Netty say yeah.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Part of the reason this team was so good is
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: because I had five years of them at James Madison,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: one year of them at Indiana. I want that with everybody.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: I want the older, more mature player. I'm not convinced
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: to this, but if it becomes a thing, the only
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: loophole that is being left to exploit in this particular
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: new model, this new proposal for five years to play
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: five eligibility is the religious service model. Gray shirts were
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: a thing that became ubiquitous for like the mid level
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: recruit at places like Alabama, places like Auburn in the SEC,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: they would say to athletes, we want you, but we
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: don't have any place for you right now, so we're
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: gonna stash you, but you're gonna gray shirt so it
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't count against your eligibility, right So they would get
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: a freshman that didn't even get to start his clock,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: and then those guys ended up being a little bit
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: older when they graduated.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: But it wasn't a thing that Nick Saban decided was val.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: If Kurt Signetti decides it is, well, Kurt Signetti not
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: necessarily just recruit all the Mormons. But will he say, Look,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: here's what I think you should do, kid. I want
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: you to come play at Indiana. I want you to
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: come play at Oregon. I want you to come play
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: at a house date. I want you to come play here.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: And we're gonna use the loophole that exists, and it's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: gonna be good. This would be a good overall outcome,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: I think for the college football community, for the college
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: sports and maybe for the world. Say hey, because this
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: is the only loophole I have with I can't medical
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: red shirt you, but I want you to be a
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: little bit older I want you to be a little
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: bit more physically mature. I'm going to have you do
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: a service mission for whatever church you decide matters to you.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have you do a year of religious service.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: I not gonna recommend some military service for a couple
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: of years.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Here, Hey, why don't you enlist? It's a little dicey
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: right now. It's a little dicey right now.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: And we'll say for to do the the the church
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: mission and whatever church.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: And I honestly think that like the the risk of
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: sending someone off to the military, the military is is
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: a whole career.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: And there's certain like minimum enlistment, minimum years of enlistment requirements,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: right that could be like longer than a.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: Couple of years.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Lowry market and you can say, yeah, go do your
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: military service because in Finland they only demand like one
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: year of compulsory service or.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: Something, and you can if you're a professional athlete living abroad,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: you can split that up over.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: A few years. Like that's a different scenario, right. Maybe
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: maybe this again I'm almost tongue in cheek on this stuff,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: but also not.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: Because what we have seen, if there is a new.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: System put in place, in college football for eligibility, and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: it becomes something that is sue proof, is litigation proof,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: then the next that will be for college coaches to
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: find a loophole that they can use that makes sense
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: for them.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: Hey kid, are you you're religious at all? And by
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: the way, do you like the military?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Like, by the way, I don't know that, Like obviously
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: we have a ton of background on this stuff, like
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: because there's a system that has been in place for years. Yeah,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: with the LDS church, it's just like you send them out,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: they're gone for two years, they come back. That's that system,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: by the way, has been drastically altered in recent years
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: where it's like yep, you ship them out and a
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: year later they come back and it's still considered a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: full mission. It's good you ship them out and they
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: can they can talk to their mom every week now
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: instead of like that, that system has shifted pretty drastically.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know every single in and out of all
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: the different details, who's the guy who's the BYU recruit
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: that's gonna serve the rider Lion's gonna serve a one
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: year mission?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: Was like, well, you can't do that. It's just like, no,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: you can't. Yeah, it's unclear whether it's like whether it's
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: just it's gonna be Hey, what it is your mark,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: he says, He says to his mission president, hey, I'm
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: going home, or if it's like the church says, you know,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: make an exception here, that's well, this this guy's doing it.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: This guy's doing a year. He doesn't have to voluntarily leave.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know it.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the details on that are either. However,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: if the plan was to just like, well, just go
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: and then come back after a year, I don't think
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: that we would have heard that announcement.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think that we would have heard that as
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: a plan.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I uh yeah, it's it's an interesting situation. But
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: also it really doesn't.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: Matter, Like it's not even our business. The guy's taken.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: There, there's a young man taking a year off of
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: his life to serve other people and to serve to
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: serve his faith. Like cool, that's great. So apparently his
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: older brother also did this. Yeah, Walker, and before he
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: before he joined USC and in the by the way,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not LDS, I didn't serve.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: I have a deep admiration for the missionary program. I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: think it's awesome. And I reflect if you give six
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: months of your life to a mission service serving others
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: or your church or whatever, if you give one month
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: to it, if you give three, like, good for you.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not the you gotta make it two years. You're
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: not returning with honor kind of guy. According to Google,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Ryder Lions and the LVS Church basically tailored this and
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: he said I want to do a mission, but I
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: want to do a one year mission, and they were like,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: all right, cool, all right, okay, well, far be it
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: from me then to say, no, that's not valid, that's
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: not good, that's not enough.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: But again, will.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: This be considered by other teams, other programs, by anyone
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: in college sports as something that is advantageous to the
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: outcomes in your football program? BYU has used it as
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: a is a purely it's it's not been. It has
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: not been geared toward the athletics side of things. It
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: was never it was something that they had to overcome,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: not something that they benefited from.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, is certainly not what they intended to be. Hey,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: this will be a benefit to us, Like it's just
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: it's purely been. This is part of our faith and
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: these and these young men want.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: To do this.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: But okay, so to make sure that I'm being clear here,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: if college football has decided in recent years where there's
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: been because of the COVID extra year where a guy's
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: had six years of eligibility and a guy a bunch
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: of guys, if you were a guy who came in
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: in any of the COVID years, you had one extra
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: year because of COVID and then if you got in
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: at any point, you probably got a medical red shirt.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Oh and also the red shirt rules changed in that
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: time period where you also could play four games as
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: a red shirt without having it count against your red shirt.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: So you could red shirt, you could medical red shirt,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: and you could you could have your COVID year, which
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: means that you everybody that was healthy was given like six.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: Years basically six years to play to play four right,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: and you know some guys played, Some guys played five
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: years in that six years and they were like COVID
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: not counting.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: There were a lot of people that when Indiana won
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: the championship this year, there are a lot of people
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: coaches included, that were kind of dismissive. I'm just thought, well, yeah,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: that's what happens when you got a bunch of twenty
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: four year olds play in college football. That's what happened
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: to you got a bunch of sixty year seniors. And
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, hold on, was that really the benefit?
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Because if it is, everyone's gonna try to emulate it,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: and if you're gonna try to emulate it, and this
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: new thing goes through whether your only loophole is military service,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: or religious service or maternity leave. Well, football players ain't
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: getting maternity leave. I don't think a lot of guys
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: are signing up to be marines. Will coaches encourage people
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: to like, you're gonna you don't have red shirts anymore,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: but we can pause your clock if you'll go on
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: a six month or a one year or a two
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: year charity or religious or service mission. They and you
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: might be rolling your eyes, and you might be thinking
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: on being accusatory of the LDS Church and of byus.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: It could not be further from that. But if teams
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: and players and coaches start looking to wait a minute,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: maybe this thing that we thought BYU was having to
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: work against all these years, maybe that's something I can
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: make work for me.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: We'll see.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: I I wonder if the big the biggest programs the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: the Alabama, the Ohio States, the Michigans, although Michigan's gonna
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: get more players from Utah who are probably members of
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: the church with with Kyle Whittingham as the head coach,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: they're probably gonna have more than that than they than
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: they used to. But those kind of programs, I feel
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: like those kind of programs are going to still do
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: what they've always done, get the top high school players
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: and the top top transfers now in this new trans
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: transfer portal world, regardless of what their age is, and
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: dominate and dominate the sport. You know, maybe not winning
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: national championship every year one of those teams, but still
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: being very relevant every year in that In that conversation,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: but I wonder if the teams that try to exploit
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: this would be the Indianas, would be the University of Utah,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: would be a lot of the teams in the Big Twelve,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: would be a lot of the teams in the ACC.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: They're like, we're trying to find a unique edge here
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: because we can't do what the Blue Blads can do,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: which is get the top player, the top high school
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: player every year, regardless of the regardless of position. So
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: we're going to we're going to try to get the
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: older players. Indiana, whether it was because of that or not,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: Indiana won a national championship with the roster like that.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: And by the way, that memory, I guess, is the
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: type of teams that are gonna take this, take that
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: angle to maybe exploit that kind of loophole. A lot
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: of these reforms also are aimed at, well, how do
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: we stop like the free agency thing from happening every year.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of push toward a one time transfer right,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: and so you can't in that model. You can't just say,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: all right, well, I'll just go get my guy and
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: the guy I need in a transfer portal every single year,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: which again you have to start looking at internal tricks
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: and tips and how to like maximize the stuff that
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: the open market. If the open market becomes a little
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: bit more restrictive, if the free agency market becomes a
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: little bit more of a of a I don't know,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: non starter, then you're starting to cultivate and figure out
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: things internally. Good time to be a Mormon athlete.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe Shane on the old text Machine says, what about
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: rehab to gambling and other issues will that extend redshirt eligibility.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: The current proposal does not allow for any kind of
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: red shirt or any kind of special treatment, at least
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: on paper. For well, I was in rehab for a year.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: But guess what somebody's attorney's gonna have something to say
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: about that. Well, my client, Britain Sooresby was in rehab
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: for six weeks. He gets an extra year of eligibility.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a you never want to see that kind
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  Speaker 2: a better way to break news like that now in
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  Speaker 2: you're in the running for like a particular position, and
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  Speaker 2: then it's like, oh, yeah, sorry, we're we're going to
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  Speaker 4: The majority I've had has been I just haven't heard
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  Speaker 2: Just let me know, because holding your breath and waiting
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  Speaker 2: and the nervousness with which you experienced that process is
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I would rather be disappointed immediately than hopeful for an
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  Speaker 2: extra five days until I realized, well, maybe even.
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  Speaker 3: Just went on vacation.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, you know, rationalizing in your own mind why
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  Speaker 2: really busy, but they still plan on hiring me.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you're in a position to hire people
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: or not, just tell them if they don't get the job.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: So that's what apparently happened to a bunch of US
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: men's national team hopefuls. Uh Mauricio Poshattino is getting a
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: bunch of pushback right now because the roster for the
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: US men's national team, which is supposed to be officially
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: released today, I haven't seen as it come out during
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen anything official as of yet, so double check.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: But The Athletic, The Guardian, a bunch of these news
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: outlets that care deeply about the upcoming World Cup soccer rosters,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: basically leaked the upcoming US men's national team roster, and
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: also found out that apparently players were informed that they
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: didn't make it.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Via email.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Now, if you're doing a big group interview process, fine this.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: If you're there's a very.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: Small elite group of players that are even in the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: conversation to be part of the US men's national team roster, you're.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: Talking about a lot of players like Diego Luna who
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: played for the national team in the recent international friendly
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: cycle last year. Like, that's not probably like ten to
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: fifteen guys. Maybe I'm way ignorant on that, and it's
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: way more. It's a way bigger pool than that they
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: would have in the fringes, even if it's fifty guys.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: The the roster is supposed to be officially announced today,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: but a full squad was reported by The Guardian over
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: the weekend and Diego Luna and Gozo are apparently not
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: on the final roster and taking it one step forward further,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: and we'll have to find out and confirm this. It's
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: being reported that rather than a phone call, they were
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: just sent an email, Hey, you didn't make.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: It to me.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: That would be something that would feel deeply, deeply personal,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: even if it's just like, hey, this is how we're
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: doing it, this is the process, this is the most
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: efficient way, because we didn't want to call Luna first
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: and then call Gozo after, and we didn't want to
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: call this guy, and then you know there's some established
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: sort of like real or imaginary hierarchy again on that
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want if I'm trying to make my dream squad,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: which on some level, representing your country for any athlete
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: is a dream in the World Cup, the largest and
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: most relevant sporting event on the global stage, and you're
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: being told sorry, especially when we've been talking to people
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: for weeks and weeks and everyone we talked to was
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: just like, I mean, yeah, Luna is probably gonna make
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: this team.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was. He obviously played really well last summer
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: and was a big part of like poach he Pochatino,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: the head coach. He put a lot of trust in him.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: So it felt but we felt really good about his
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: chances to make this team. He started this season late
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: because of injuries he's had. He's had various injuries that
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: have resulted him not being in playing shape when the
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: season started. You wonder how much of that played into
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: this recent you know, quote unquote fall from grace from
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: being a very important player for the US men's national
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: team last summer too, now left off the World Cup roster.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: And to be fair, Gozo I don't think was ever
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: really seriously in the running. He's not even been called
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: up to US men's national team duty. But Diego Luna played.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: He appeared in seventeen to the last eighteen men's national team.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: Games, scored a lot of goals, a lot of assists. Yeah,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: and it's goes though.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: That was just like, yeah, speaking to us say today,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: oh no, sorry, speaking to the Guardian, which is a
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: British publication, he's like, yeah, we got the email at
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: the same time, and that's disappointing.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: That sucks.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: Now again, if you're if it's an injury situation, if
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: it's fully justifiable, great and you probably maybe you don't
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: owe Gozo a call.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: But a guy that's.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Been on the if I play seventeen of eighteen games
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: for you, I'm on your team, all right, I'm on
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: your team.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Start.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: I believe he started a lot of those games too,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: Like he was not he was a significant player at
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: the end of last year's like cycle, US men's national
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: team cycle of like friendlies and various tournaments, various world tournaments.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: And if it's something that is pertaining to health, especially,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: how painless is that for I mean, it's as painless
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: as it can be for a coach to call and
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: just be like, man, I we love what you've done,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: but we need healthy players.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: And he's like, okay, I'm I am healthy right now,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: and then the coach can say, yeah, but we just
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: were not. We feel better about the rest of these
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: guys than we do about your health.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: Hercules Gomez, who played in the twenty ten World Cup
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: and works for ESPN now, was like, if that's how
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: they really found out, If all they got was an email,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: that's messed up again. I'm not gonna sit here and
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: pretend I know a ton about the process of how
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: players are informed. But in my mind's I when you're
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: talking about anything like this, I mean regular season NFL
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: rosters where you have fifty something dudes you got and
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: that means you have to cut forty something dudes. They're
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: all informed to their face. Yeah, called in the office,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: bring your playbook, and it's it's very rarely some like
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: glamorous thing and like some big heartfelt, but it's there's
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: at least that level of respect shown. And yes, you
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: probably can't call them all into the office and physically
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: face them, but every single one of us, including Mauricio Poshattino,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: carries a super computer around in his pocket at all times. Okay,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: you could easily just be like, uh, this part sucks,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: but I'm gonna call the moon Man right now, and
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: I might have to explain to him why he didn't
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: make the cut.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: And he's, like you say, like, the reason could just
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: be we're not we want healthy players, and he could
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: and Diego could be like, I'm healthy right now, you know,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: and he would have to say, yeah, but we trust
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: the rest of these guys' health more than you right
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: now because of the way things have gone for you
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: to start this year like that's and that sucks if
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: you're Diego, Luna zabier Goozo like you said, local guy
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: by the way from West Valley. How cool would that
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: have been if if he'd end up making the team.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: Dark horse guy like you said, never played for the
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: for the club, for the US men's national team, never play,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: never even was thought to be a call up up
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: until his great start with with RSL in his first
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: pro season, right, So this is a guy that he's
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: probably feeling like, I'm playing with house money here. If
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: I get the call, I'm gonna be a static. If
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: I don't, I'm gonna be fine because I wasn't really
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: expecting a call up. Next World Cup is when is
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: when the disappointment would come for him if he's not
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: on the team.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: Probably maybe I need to be more fair to an
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: Argentine skipper who just doesn't really care the same way
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: about that, Like maybe there's a cultural element to it.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: Could just be personal, it could be cultural where I mean,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: he has been criticized for some of this in the past,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: like not being communicative with players, and he faces it
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: and just says, I don't owe them a next pladay the.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: World Cup feels like it's different guys.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: By the way, apparently the official list from the US
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: men's national team is going to be released in twelve minutes.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: It's supposed to be three Eastern.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: So my hope is that we're dead wrong about all this,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: But we're not because Pablo Mastruheni is on record knowing
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: that they're not making the team, and Gozo obviously revealed
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: that he didn't make the team and confirmed that Diego
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: Luna got the same email at the same time as him,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: the moon Man not in the World Cup. That sucks
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: and not something I wanted to talk about in the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: Daily Dumb today. That is as bad of an email
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: as you can get.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to think, like what if, like Clayton
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: Keller ended up making the US men's hockey team, but
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: he was not on the four Nations roster and made
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: us feel like, is there's some doubt about making the
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: Olympic team because of that? Right, like if he had
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: if that had been an email, we had no reports
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: of that, right, we just kind of assumed no one.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: No one even talked about it because there was no
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: one made any big deal about how they informed players
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: that they were cut from either of those teams. But
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: like what the Olympics and World Cup feels like at
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: least a phone call, if not face to face.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: James, when I got cut from the UFC, I was
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: sitting in this chair, right. I got a phone call
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: and it said Dana White on my phone and I
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: was like what.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: And we we were in segment, we were on air.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: I went to break like five minutes early, and I
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: called him back and he was just like, hey, thanks
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: for everything you did. You gave us some great fights,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: but we're gonna you know, your contracts up.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: We're not going to resign you.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, come on, man, you know
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: like that sucks, but that that was a guy who
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: had at that time three hundred four hundred probably fighters
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: on the roster.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: And I promise I wasn't the point. And by the way,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: he's not.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly like everyone's favorite guy, mister best friend to everyone,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: right even that just that's professionalism. Hey, I'm gonna call
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: this person and let them know that what they want
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: to happen is not going to be happening right now.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: He could have sent me an email. And I am
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: far less important than I was, far less important to
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: everything that the UFC had going on.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: Then the moon Man is the US men's national team.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: I don't like this. Poshattino. Get him on the phone, James,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: Let's call him, talk to him. Marisseo, why did you
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: do this? Zero six two six on the old text
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: line I was once broken up with via email two
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: thousand and two. Two thousand and three is junior in
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: high school before social media, texting still wasn't a thing.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: This was in the Aol instant messenger days, dial up
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: internet days. The girl I was dating at the time
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: broke up with me in an email that right there,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: that's a good terrible email story.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: When she had to wait for like five minutes for
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: the internet to actually connect, she still was like, it's
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: worth worth the wait to send this email because I
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: do not want to do this in person.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: You don't mean that sound that the Internet used to
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: make when you were dialing.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: In to connect to it. That's terrible. Just I'm still
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: gonna craft this email. I I'm I'm bothered by this.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: I'm bothered by this. Four rsel fans, I'm bothered by this.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Four ourself players. I'm bothered by this.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: Uh. But for the Team.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: USA, because Diego Luna was important to the Team USA
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: efforts and was like a nice little he's a he's a.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: He's a catalyst. He's not gonna be there.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: Samuel on the text line said, he notes that they
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: used Diego in a lot of their advertising leading up
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: to the World Cup, so it's like that's that's an
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: important player like you. You would think that he garnered
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: more than an email.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: On that there's gonna be some person in Diego Luna's
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: life that doesn't that doesn't see this story, doesn't know
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: this story, doesn't hear this story, not somewhat close to him.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be somebody who's got his phone number who
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: sees him on a commercial for the US men's national
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: team for some World Cup thing coming up and takes
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: a photo of their TV or screenshot something and it's like, dude, congratulations,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: and he's gonna have to be like, I didn't make
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: the team actually, and that.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: Person, what are you talking about? I just saw you
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: in the USA uniform on a commercial And he's like, yeah,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: I know, isn't that weird? Ouch? Man, I hate this.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: We still love you, Diego, get well rested and go
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: win an MLS Cup. Yeah, totally the same thing. Show
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: them totally totally just as good.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: And then the best player on US men's national team
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: in the twenty thirty World Cup. That's the most devastating
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: part of this. It's just like when we talk about
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: guys with athletes that just missed the misqualifying for the Olympics.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: Right if the four more years you're no longer, you're
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: no longer early twenties at that point, or late twenties,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: you're in your thirties, depending on whatever your age is.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: That's four years later. Significant. It's a significant amount of time.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: The next World Cup will be hosted where do you know,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Morocco, Portugal, Spain. Oh, the Liberian Peninsula, Morocco.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Kind of that sounds awesome, little Mediterranean Iberian Peninsula action. Okay, sorry,
• 1:40:11
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  Speaker 5: I'm great, Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 3: Thought it would?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's fair to say that everyone expected.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the Hurricanes have an upper hand and especially
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  Speaker 5: if they can control how they want to play, which
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  Speaker 5: if you throw out game number one. By and large,
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  Speaker 5: they've been able to do that, and last night they
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  Speaker 5: have established a really good start on the road. They
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  Speaker 5: allowed the Canadians to come back a little bit, and
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  Speaker 5: you got to give them credit for hanging in there
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  Speaker 5: and going up against a team that's experienced and well
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  Speaker 5: the conference finals. So right now it looks like an
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  Speaker 5: experienced team that's ready to take the next step against
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  Speaker 5: the team that has played a lot of hockey. You know,
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  Speaker 5: two seven game series, the emotions attached to all that,
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  Speaker 5: the youngest team in the Stanley Cup playoffs, and I
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  Speaker 5: guess the puzzling part about Montreal is they have this
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  Speaker 5: terrific home iice atmosphere, but they can't match the energy
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  Speaker 5: it's in their head or whatever the case is, they
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: seem to be up against it.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: How much do you think the grueling seven gamers affected this?
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: Because Carolina got a lot more rest in these playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: And there's always that argument of rust versus rest. If
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  Speaker 2: you rest too much, it can be detrimental to you.
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  Speaker 2: But as you already mentioned, two seven game series to
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: get to this point versus yeah, sweeping your way in
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: is different.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the way the Hurricanes are built in the
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: way their coach Rod Brinda Moore expects them to play
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  Speaker 5: and trains in the play is with a real solid
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  Speaker 5: skating foundation and then rest will fuel that. So there
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: really isn't you know? There was rust. I mean the
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: first game they were uncharacteristically bad defensively. They made a
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: lot of mistakes. A lot of it was self inflicted.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: They don't normally do that. But they're one of the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: best skating teams in the league. They're a possession team,
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  Speaker 5: they have high shot volume all the time. They're great
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: off the rush, So all these metrics that you look at,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: they check those boxes. It's all based on their skating.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: And Montreal is a quick team too, with a high
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: level of skill. But right now the Canadians are doing
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: a lot of chasing, and that's poison that plays into
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 5: the hands of the Hurricanes the only way, and no
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: one in this postseason has been able to figure it out.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 5: The only way Carolina has been beaten is by getting
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: them out of their comfort zone, getting them away from
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: leading the game, scoring first, dictating the terms, forcing them
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  Speaker 5: to take risks because they're trying to come from me behind.
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  Speaker 5: If they have an exceptional amount of lead time, you're
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: not going to beat them. So that's the bugaboo right
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: now for Montreal that they're trying to overcome.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: What is the atmosphere Like?
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: We're obviously a new NHL market and people have been
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: complimentary to the way that, you know, the Delta Center
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: has showed up and been loud, barn and all that.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: Kind of stuff.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: What is the what is the atmosphere like for the
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: Carolina games? Like, what is what is that house like?
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: It's very loud. I mean it always has been, and
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 5: you know, I have ties to that franchise. I mean
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: I joined the Hartford Whalers in nineteen ninety one, moved
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: with the team in ninety seven, and went through it
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: all till twenty twenty. And you know, over that time period,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: in two thousand and two they went to the Stanley
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: Cup Final. In two thousand and six they won the
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: Stanley Cup. There was a a conference final appearance in
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 5: nine and a conference final appearance in twenty nineteen. I
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: was part of, and over the course of time, the crowd,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: you know, grew into playoff hockey and became what they
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: like to call the loudest house in the NHL. Now, listen,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: I go all over the league. Every place is loud.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: I think the atmosphere and the Bell Center in Montreal
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: is second to none. You know, in a short period
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: of time, the Delta Center has emerged as a loud place,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: a place that could be intimidating down the road for opponents.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: But I think we're kidding ourselves with pro athletes. I
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 5: think pro athletes enjoy being on the road and enjoy
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 5: the opportunity to spoil the night for the crowd. So
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: I don't think they're intimidated. But it can fuel the
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: home team, and in Raleigh it does. And you know,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: the Hurricanes had fifty three wins this season, twenty nine
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: of those at home. They've been an exceptional home team
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: under Rod Brindemore because you know, the way they play
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: is infectious to the crowd and vice versa. And so yeah,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: it's a great atmosphere in Raleigh, and it works for
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: that market, there's no question. And what happens is and
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: you'll see that in your market, is that as you
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: get deeper into the existence of the franchise, the crowds
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 5: remain vibrant, but they also learn what the playoffs are
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: all about. And that's what we see in Montreal. You know,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: this is a generational national thing with the Montreal Canadians.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: I mean this goes over the course of one hundred
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: plus years in terms of their fandom, so it's handed
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: down and as we march on through time and you
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: see it in a new market, it'll continue to grow, grow, grow,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: to get to that level where they understand what the
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: playoffs are about from an experience standpoint, because they've experienced
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: bitter losses, they've experienced triple over time, they've experienced the
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: exhilaration of winning a playoff round and then having to
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: do it again. And if you're lucky to get deep
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 5: into the Stanley Cup playoffs as a fan, you're going
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: to do this for two months if you win it all.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: And that is really cool to watch a market go
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 5: through it and look back at my time in Carolina
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: and O six, it was an unbelievable experience because as
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: you know, you know, it's rich in college sports, but
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: there's a there's a hatred for you know, the tar Heels,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: the Blue Devils, and the Wolfpack of NC State, but
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: all of those fans under one roof can support the
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: local hockey team and all come together and actually enjoy
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 5: themselves as one. That's the difference in that market.
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  Speaker 2: So watching the Western Conference, I don't know much you've
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: been able to watch how much conflict there is with
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: your schedule. I mean, I know they space out the
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: games now, but the Western Conference finals, we're watching the
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: same Vegas Golden Knights team that eliminated the Utah Mammoth.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: Now taking it to the team that has been the
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: best in the NHL all season long and has the
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: Colorado Avalanche on the brink of collapse. I mean, they
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: could be eliminated tonight. What has happened in the Western Conference.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: That's puzzling because you know, the way the way Colorado
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: played all year, nobody, nobody could even go there. There's
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: no way you could start the playoff season and say,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: you know what, I think the Avalanche are ripe for
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: an upset because that's how exceptional they were in the
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 5: regular season. And when you look at their depth, you
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: look at their star power, you look at even their
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: goaltending this year was exceptional. You know, the numbers were
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: absolutely off the charts. So why would anybody say that,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 5: I guess just to be an outlier and say maybe
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: I'll be right and take a shot at it. Well,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: then you're going to be right in the situation unless
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: we see a miracle. But you got to give Vegas
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: a lot of credit. You know, Golden Knights had it
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: in different season. They always had the makings, they could
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 5: never get there. And for the Lion's share of the season,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: their goaltending wasn't any good. And you know, no matter
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: who the coach is, you know, there's an old saying
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 5: in the sport, a great goalie makes a great coach, right,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: doesn't work the other way around. And so Bruce Cassidy
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: was at nauseum trying to drill his message through to
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: a team that became vacant, and a lot of it
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 5: had to do with their goaltending. The goaltending was rebuilt
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: during the season, and right around the time John Tortorella
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: took over, Carter Hart came off the injured list and
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: he hasn't stopped. So that's the first thing that's in
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: place for Vegas and then everything else. You know, they're
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 5: an excellent team and Jack Eichel and Mitch Marner have
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: been absolutely fantastic. Their defensive corps is solid. They have
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 5: a big team game, they're winners. You know, they're not
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: far removed from the twenty three Stanley Cup. So I
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: think a lot of people just kind of washed away
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: Vegas because of the division they play in. There wasn't
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: a lot of respect given to the Pacific Division, and
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: it seemed like the Titans were all in the Central
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 5: and they were and you know, Colorado right now, I
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: can't explain it. I watch it. I had a piece
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: of Colorado in the first round with the Los Angeles series.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: Eddie Oldchuck and I were on that and it looked like,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: you know, they were they were finally tuned and ready.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: And they've been finally tuned and ready since the start
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: of the season because they're one of the teams that's
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 5: copp or bust. You know, they're not building anything. And
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 5: so this will be a major disappointment with Ramification should
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 5: they lose tonight or lose a series. And it really
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 5: is puzzling.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: Sounds like McKinnon's going to play tonight, and there was
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: some question about that. When when you're forced with the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: decision of a you know, seventy percent whatever it is,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: and we won't get that real number. I mean, a
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: compromise McKinnon better than not having them at all.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, same thing with mccarr, Like mccar's not one hundred
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 5: percent at all. Actually I believe he has two different injuries.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 5: You know, it'll find out when this is over. And
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: with McKinnon, it's the same thing. They get the players
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: as ready as they can be and if they can
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: do it and they're willing to do it and they're
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 5: not at risk in terms of their career, they're going
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 5: to play. And hockey players traditionally have been heroic when
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 5: it comes to performance through injury in the Stanley Cup
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 5: playoffs and the season for that matter, because as you know,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 5: at the end of every season, part of the press
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 5: conference at the end of the year with either the GM,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: the coach or both is this laundry list of injuries
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: that they finally released to us and you see, you
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 5: know what exactly is happening and who's lining up for
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: offseason surgeries. McKinnon, we'll gut it out. They'll there'll be
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 5: a strong push from Colorado. They're going to make a change,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 5: I understanding goal and go with Mackenzie Blackwood tonight. So
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: they're going to try and just do as much as
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: they can to get a sniff, to get a little
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: lifeline and then take it home and go from there.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: Doesn't happen often. It's only happened a handful of times
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 5: in NHL history. But you know it could. I mean,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 5: Colorado's that good, they could pull it off. But Vegas
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: is determined to play their best tonight and just get
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: some rest themselves and march on to the final.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: What do you make of the decision to start Mackenzie.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 5: Black Yeah, I think it's okay. I do I think,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't really think it's that much against Wedgwood.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 5: I think it's just another way to wake up the team.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: Blackwood is capable of very good performances. He's kind of
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: had an injury plagued decent season, not great. Wedgwood has
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: carried the water, but you can see Wedgwood breaking down
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: a little bit. And I mean, to be fair to him,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: these things just don't happen out of the blue. I mean,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: Scott Wedgwood has been a very capable NHL goalie throughout
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: his career, but mostly as a number two. And he's
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: probably as good a number two as you can find.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: But then when you get the number one job, and
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: everything that's attached to it, including playoff pressure as a starter,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: which he's going through for the first time. It can
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: be too much. So it's not like they're moving on
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: from Henrik Lundquist or something like that. They're moving on
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 5: from a guy, and I don't want to disrespect him,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: but I think it's fair and I think that's why
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: the decision has always been for Colorado. We have to
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 5: you know, Tampa Bay enters a playoff round and John
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: Cooper has won. Andre Vasilevski, that's it. The Utah Mammoth
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: have one goalie, in my opinion, that's it. So there's
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: no real choice, you know, in terms of where they're
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 5: going to go. But in this case, there's always a
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: goalie option. There's always a flip, there's always a move
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: they could make. And now this is this is a
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 5: coaching maneuver to wake up the team and also wake
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: up Blackwood. This is his moment. I mean, he could
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 5: grab it, he could get hot, he could be a
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: difference maker, but he's got to play really well to
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: outduel the guy at the other end, because Carter Hart
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 5: has been outstanding in the playoffs.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: If Colorado doesn't make it to the Stanley Cup Final.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: It's thirteen years in a row that the team with
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: the best record, the President's Trophy team does not make
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: the Stanley Cup Final. Now, is is this some weird
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: outlier freak streak or is this something that NHL teams
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: need to pay attention to and maybe make an adjustment based.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: Off That's a great, great question, and I was talking
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: with somebody else about this today and I'm of the
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: belief that something has to be done with the playoff format.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 5: It doesn't appear that the commissioner's too interested in changing
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 5: this playoff format. We used to have the one through
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 5: eight like they have in basketball in each conference. Now
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 5: we have a divisional situation. Way back when we had
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 5: divisional playoffs and it was changed when, oddly enough, when
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 5: Bettman came on board in the early nineties to go
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: to more of an NBA style playoff. I think there
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 5: needs to be a reward for the teams that perform
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: as well as they do in the regular season, and
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 5: I think as a league we should protect the elite
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: teams that play that way and give them every opportunity
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: to be fresh and get an advantage, at least in
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 5: the first round. I think it's a sin that have
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 5: teams like Dallas and Minnesota playing in the first round.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 5: I really do, because to be fair, if we've had
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 5: another tournament now next week, and and say, for instance,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 5: pulled out the Dallas Stars and put them in full health,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 5: they might win the Stanley Cup against Vegas or Carolina.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 5: And that's just kind of the way it is. So
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 5: I really think with the randomness that you have in hockey,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 5: there's parody. But there are elite teams that are positioned
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 5: to win, and you know, it's it's a long time
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: to play great in hockey. If they're Colorado, they have
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 5: been unbelievably great from the very beginning of the season
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 5: until now that's October till the end of May. At
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 5: some point, just your luck's gonna run out. You're gonna
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 5: you're gonna run against the hot goalie. You're gonna have
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: this crop up. And if it happens in the third round, okay,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 5: that's that's kind of normal because that's where they should be.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 5: But when we see teams that are at the top
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 5: of the league stumble in the first and second round,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 5: something's wrong, you know. So I think they should look
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 5: long and hard at this, maybe there's a play in
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 5: situation we should go to as a league. Give the
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 5: high end teams a week to rest a little bit.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 5: I don't think they're gonna get rusty. I think they're
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 5: just gonna, you know, rest the wounds from the regular season,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 5: clear their minds mentally, and then take advantage of the
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 5: weaker teams who are tired, not the weaker teams that
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 5: are so happy that they got into the playoffs. They
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 5: have a real chance at an upset. This is one
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 5: sport where you know, there's a lot of strategy in hockey,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 5: but there's a lot of luck to if we're fair,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 5: And that's why it's not dominated by star players all
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 5: the time. It's a collective thing. So I think it's
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 5: a great question you bring up. I think it's something
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 5: that needs to be looked at.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: John Forza for a couple more minutes here on the
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show, talking NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs and as
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: a market and even as an individual show, we're figuring out,
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of things about NHL hockey. And
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: I was after we got our first taste of the
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: playoffs and I saw what Vegas was able to do
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: to our beloved Utah Mammoth because you know, they're they're
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit bigger, a little bit more experienced, a
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: little stronger, really tough in some of those games for
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: the puck to get through the neutral zone.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, there's a there's a.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: Particular style of winning playoff hockey that might be a
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: little bit different than regular season hockey. You've been around
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: the game a lot longer, you're calling these playoff games.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: Is it that simple?
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 5: Is there?
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: You got to be able to play a certain style
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: of hockey to win the Cup?
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: And what does it take.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 5: Well, it takes a team that has, you know, organizational depth.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 5: You know, you got to you gotta take advantage of
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 5: the trading deadline, make sure that you've got players who
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 5: are not playing that will probably have to play over
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 5: the two months if you go all the way and
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: they're really good NHL players that can fill a gap
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 5: for you or give the coach some options to kind
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 5: of change the lineup, whether it be you know, opponent
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 5: or just trying to wake up the team and get
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 5: more energy that needs to be in place. So you
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: got to have superior depth. You also have to have
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 5: a degree of physicality because you know it does get harder.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 5: You know there's scrums after every whistle. There's an intimidation
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 5: side of things that really doesn't occur in the one
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 5: through eighty two because it's a one and done and
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 5: moving on to another opponent. And the players really can't
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 5: play that way all year because they'll break down and
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 5: get injured and so on, and there's so much travel
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 5: that's done. Especially with Western Conference teams. You rely on
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 5: your positional game, you rely on your goalie, your special teams,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 5: you rely on and your preparation, all of that to
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 5: win in the regular season. But when it's you know,
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 5: monoi mono situation, you're in the Stanley Cup playoffs, it's
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 5: one team, it's two weeks. The coaches are game planning
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: against each other. Everybody knows the secrets, everybody knows the tendencies.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 5: What's a determining factor? How tough is your team? You know,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 5: can your team get over the hump as a group.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 5: And when I say that, I mean even your skilled players.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: Are your skilled players tough enough to understand there's another
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 5: step and it's not going to be easy, and you've
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 5: got to fight for your ice and they have to
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 5: be supported. So maybe a team like Utah looks at
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: that moving down the road, maybe they look to get
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 5: a little bit bigger, and they're one through twelve with
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 5: their forwards, maybe they're going to have to sacrifice a
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 5: younger star type player along the way to acquire something
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 5: like that of star value. That's just a little bit different,
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 5: you know, that's going to help a team win in
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 5: the playoffs. It's different, there's no question about it. In
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 5: many ways, the same game, but you're again, you're breaking
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 5: it down against one team against one team for two
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 5: weeks and that's all it is. And when you have
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 5: that in a contact sport where it's every other day,
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 5: you know, animosities start to build. There's a true hatred
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 5: between the two teams by the time they get at
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 5: the end, and then when it's over, they respect the
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 5: heck out of each other. That's what the playoffs are
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 5: all about, and that's why the fans love it as
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 5: much as they do, because it's just another step. You know,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 5: the game gets uh, it gets energized, it gets it
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 5: gets put on steroids if you will, you know. So
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 5: that's that's what it is. And I think those those teams,
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 5: and the Utah franchise is building, you know. And what
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 5: we see in the salary cap era is teams that
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 5: are in total rebuilds, Teams like Utah that are pretty
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 5: close and are going to try and make that step.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 5: And then you've got the Colorado's and the Dallases and
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 5: and Carolina's in Florida and teams Campa Bay. Those are
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 5: the teams that are in a different, different vein because
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 5: they've already gone through the decade or so of building
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 5: to get to that point. So that's that's what it is.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 5: And I'll tell you what when you when you see
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 5: it and you see a team win a playoff round
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 5: in your market and your fans are going through it,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 5: and then you do it again, you do it, do
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 5: it again, and you get to that fourth round. There
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 5: is nothing like it. It's unbelievable.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 3: John. How many Winter Classics have you had the pleasure
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 3: of being at?
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, quite a few, I believe a half dozen or
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 5: so in some stadium games. The best one I ever
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 5: did was the Centennial Classic in Toronto, Detroit and Toronto,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 5: the one hundredth anniversary of the league back in twenty seventeen.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 5: That was a remarkable day, you know in Toronto, and
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 5: just I'll tell you what. The game we had in
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 5: Seattle with Vegas a couple of years ago was absolutely incredible.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 5: Team Mobile Stadium, The game you guys are going to
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 5: have is going to be special, and it's just it's
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 5: an opportunity when you're there to soak in the entirety
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 5: of the atmosphere. That's what I would say to the
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 5: fans if you're there. You know the players do it too.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 5: You know they understand what they're what they're doing. It's
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 5: a regular season game for two points. It isn't an exhibition,
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 5: but in many ways it is because it's showcasing the
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 5: beautiful game outdoors where the roots of the game are
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 5: and have been. So you know, this is this is
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 5: everybody becomes a little boy and when the women play
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 5: the little girls again, you know, like it's just an
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 5: unbelievable experience for everybody involved. And since the league has
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 5: done this, you know, they've done a lot of great things,
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 5: but this is one thing that will never lose its
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 5: luster in the market. I think they're probably going to
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 5: have to look at their scheduling a little bit and
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 5: try and get it away from other things that are
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 5: also going on in and around that day on television
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 5: and so on. Because it was a standalone event at
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: the beginning with the help from NBC, and that really
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 5: pushed it in a great place. That's a different conversation. Basically,
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 5: it's a wonderful event that you'll thoroughly enjoy and you know,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 5: no matter what the weather is, the NHL can make
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 5: it work. So it's a great thing if you could.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: Have any player I'm turning into into a GM and
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you any mammoth player to build
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: around for the next we'll say, five or ten years.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: Who's that guy right now on the man with the roster?
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 5: For me, it's Logan Cooley. I just think, you know,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 5: he he's going to continue to grow as a as
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 5: a player, you know, physically maybe a little bit, but
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 5: most importantly I see him taking steps. I liked what
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 5: he went through this year in the playoffs where he
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 5: was challenged. You know, He's what we were just talking about.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 5: He's an individual example of a skilled player who's gone
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 5: through a couple of injury situations at a young age.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 5: But you know he's going to matriculate into this guy
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 5: that understands the rigors of the playoffs and succeed for it.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 5: So I think you've got a great but you have
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 5: a collection of really good young pieces.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 6: There.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 5: Gun there's an unbelievable game breaker. I mean, he reminds
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 5: me of if you go way back, Mike Bossi, who
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 5: played for the New York Islanders back in their heyday.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 5: He had that kind of shot that the big one
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 5: timer on the week's side break the game open. But
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 5: I think Koley can give you, you know, a variety
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 5: of different things from his skill set that will parlay
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 5: into I hope he becomes a superstar. I think he could.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 5: I really do so. That would be the guy for
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 5: me in the central position. I was a center. You know.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 5: That's that's how I see it, all.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: Right, last thing before I let you go, Do we
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: see Colorado survive tonight?
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean I thought they were going to win
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 5: the other night and you know, three zip and forty
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 5: nine and ohero in that situation, and then they lose.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I still think they will for whatever reason.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 5: So I'll go with a yes, although I'll be surprised
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 5: if they do. I really do. I think when teams
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 5: are in a position to close, especially an experienced team
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 5: like Vegas. They understand what that's all about, because that's
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 5: another step too. You know, that's another for young franchise.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 5: That's that you know, situation where they have to you know,
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 5: what do we do now when we're up in a
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 5: series and we're supposed to win? You know, how hard
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 5: do we have to play to get it done? Vegas
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 5: will you know it's a cliche, but they'll have to
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 5: play their best to win the series in the fourth
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 5: game against the team that's got a lot of pride
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 5: and a lot of talent. It's unfortunate that McKinnon's probably
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 5: not one hundred percent kil mccarr's not. I don't believe
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 5: Nachushkin's going to play tonight, so they're dinged up. But
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 5: they might be able to do it. They might have
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 5: another another opportunity. I think they've earned it, get a
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 5: lifeline and see if they can make something happen in
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 5: Game five. So I'll just I'll just call it that way,
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 5: and I'll likely be wrong again. That's what I do.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: Well be comforted in knowing that, at least around here,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: we're wrong a lot more often than you are.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: We terrible enough addictions.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 5: But that's okay. So it's a hard business making predictions.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you that, John, appreciate you giving us some time.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: Have a great call, and we'll chat again soon.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 5: Thank you my pleasure anytime. Thanks for having me.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: That's John Forsland, Sports USA on the NHL Eastern Conference Playoffs.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: Carolina is up to one in that series. We will
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: have and we will have that game Montreal versus Carolina
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: on Wednesday night right here on ESPN seven hundred and
• 2:10:30
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• 2:10:33
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• 2:10:36
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• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: Game four.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 4: You mentioned it Game four Western Conference Final tonight as
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 4: well at six, well, starting at six thirty.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: Excuse me, kind of weird.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 4: They every game's been at six except for tonight at
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 4: the puckle drop at seven, So we got we have
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 4: pregame coverage for you at six thirty. The Vegas this
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 4: is not blinked in these potential closeout games. We saw
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 4: the blowout win over the Mammoth at the Delta Center.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately in the first round they did the same thing
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 4: to the Ducks in the second round. Just like John said,
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 4: it feels like you should be like Colorado's gonna win
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 4: a game. But Vegas has been dominating in these closeout
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: games the way that the Knicks have dominated and then
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: in the NBA closeout games so far. Should should be
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: interesting to see if they can continue that or if
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: the Avs can extend the series.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: Tonight, the official team USA, a US men's national team
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: for the upcoming World Cup.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: They're being announced right now.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: They're trotting them all out onto a stage, onto a
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: dais of sorts. Roster revealed twenty twenty six is happening
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: right now, so we'll tell you who's there and who's not.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: More pointedly, for the RSL fans out there plenty left
• 2:12:00
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• 2:12:02
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• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell show, your source
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  Speaker 1: one alf N.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: James, what city is this roster reveal in that we're
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: watching right now? Do we know us Bend's national team
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: roster reveal show happen in New York City.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: I've heard of that place.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, Fox, if you're going to do
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: the roster reveal in New York City, and that is
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: the backdrop one of the most iconic skylines you get.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: You can't throw a statue of Liberty back there or something.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 3: I I had.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 4: I felt like I needed to look at up because
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 4: we were watching we were watching NBA today ESPN, and
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 4: they're still in Cleveland and they're just they're not, like
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 4: you said, they don't have iconic New York City Empire,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 4: State Building, even the Chrysler Building type stuff in the
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 4: background of this. I'm like, wait are they Are they
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 4: doing this in Cleveland too? And then they about went
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 4: to a commercial break and they showed all the New
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 4: York sites and like, oh, they're on the Harbor in
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 4: Hudson Harbor there in New York.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: All right, I guess that is the Brooklyn Bridge right
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: behind them. But the angle, it's a tight angle when
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: they're actually showing the players, so all you can see
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: is like the you don't see the support towers. All
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: you see is the road of the bridge. Yeah, and
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: the sky mostly right. Well, but you're right. Like now,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: I'm hard to tell it first. I'm gonna have to
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: fight against the urge to be kind of a hater
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: on the US men's national team right now because they
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: left off Diego Luna. It's not the fault of these players.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: They're representing our great nation in the upcoming FIFA World Cup.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: We are a host nation along with Canada and Mexico.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: But this process, there's a bad taste in my mouth
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: now because Diego Luna and everyone else who was rejected,
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: including Gozo, they were sent an email.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: I don't like that.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: We got a great We got a couple of great
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: responses on the text line. By the way, I said,
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: give me the worst email that you've ever gotten eight
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. I got
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: a shout out, uh three one eighty five on the
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: text line. This is as bad as this is as
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: bad as an email can get.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: My girlfriend emailed beyond my mission, told me she was
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: dating and would probably marry my best friend.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: That's a bad one.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: That's as bad as as Diego Luna getting the email
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: that he didn't make this year World Cup squad because
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: he's twenty two years old. When he's twenty six years old,
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: he's going to be on the World Cup roster. Still,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: he's played seventeen to the last eighteen caps for the
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: US men's national team. You probably should have put him
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: on that team on this year's team, and I feel
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: bad that he got left out. Hopefully it ignites some
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: sort of vitriolic fire under him and he's able to
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: translate that to great success for Real Salt Lake when
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: the MLS comes back. Now we've got a concert and
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: an impromptu concert of sorts happening at the Roster reveal show,
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: because of course all of these events have to have
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: some sort of musical act.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, so this is something that I have dealt with.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: We've unfortunately we had previous ownership made us do this
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: in the PFL, where you'd like stage a sporting event
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: and cram a concert into it. You'd have like some
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: random rapper show and a bet, what do we do it?
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: Nobody tunes into the roster reveal show wanting to know
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: the players that are gonna.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: Be on the US men's national team.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: If you really, if you're a hardcore die hard, you
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: probably already know if you're a casual fan, You're like, yeah, okay,
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: I'll tune into this. You're tuning in to see the players,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: to hear from the players, maybe the coach you're not
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: watching for Gunna, the performer, the rapper.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 3: That's the name of this.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 4: Who's pretending to be a soccer fan, because he's probably
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 4: not a soccer fan.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: This is the United States. Maybe who knows it's it's it?
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 4: Certainly popularity has grown a ton, especially international soccer. One
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 4: interesting thing. And again a couple of soccer novices here.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 4: So if you're listening and going, how of course, so
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 4: do you not know this? Give us a little break here,
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 4: Maybe if you want to text in, give us a
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 4: little more information on this particular thing, that'd be great.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 4: Malick Tillman and Florian Ballogun their hometowns are not in
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 4: the United States. Tillman is from is from Germany. Ball
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 4: a Gun is from London. Now did a quick search here.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 4: Ballgun was born in Brooklyn, Okay. So he's lived internationally
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 4: a lot. Fine.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: Tillman's interesting.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 4: No, at least in the the quick research I've been
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 4: it will do no known tie to the United States,
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 4: but able to represent the United States at the youth
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 4: level and now at the senior national team level.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: That's that's interesting to me.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 4: That's I feel like that's a new phenomenon for a
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 4: Team USA soccer. Here's what I don't like about it, right,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 4: because you know what this suggests, you don't have to
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 4: like the talent pool is thin enough that it's easier
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 4: to make it for Team USA than to make it for.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: England or whatever, or to make it for Germany. So
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go make Team USA. This
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: is what people do with I guess there's a couple
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: exceptions now that are financially motivated, but this is what
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: you do. If you're an American who can't make like
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: the US track team in the Olympics, you're like, yeah,
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: well but my my mom is from Colombia, so I'm
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: gonna go. I'm gonna run for Columbia.
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 4: And my great grandmother immigrated from from Nigeria, so I'm
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna represent Niger.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: You go to the you go to the place where
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: it's like it's a little bit easier to make the team.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: That aggravates me even more because there's a whether valid
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: or invalid there's it suggests they're like, oh, yeah, you're not, like,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: you're not going for the hardest team to make.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that I.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 4: Don't cut by the hardest team. So you're gonna fall
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 4: your fallback's gonna be a team, gonna be the.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: US Men's Now, well, I want to be the fallback
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: team for anybody.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: Now we're United States of America, America, I guess we
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: should be careful about how we There's a lot of
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: identity politics about who's American and who's not American. And
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: if you're born here, is that enough? If your parents
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: are born are immigrants Americans. I want you to know
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: I believe in the American dream and I think that
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: everybody should be allowed an opportunity to make a better
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: life for their family here on these golden shores of
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: the United States of America. But when it comes to
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: the US men's national team, I want your hometown to
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: be Salt Lake City, bleep in Utah.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: All right, yeah, No.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 4: I only bring that up is to say I don't
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 4: know that I've noticed that the US men's national team before,
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 4: and it's if there have been many other examples, then
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 4: I told you I don't pay that close attention to soccer.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: So that's how I missed it. But like this is
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: interesting to me.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 4: Obviously there's some there's enough of a tide in the
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 4: United States for Malex Tillman and particular to be able
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 4: to represent the US and the US men's national team,
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 4: and I hope he scores like fifty goals.
• 2:20:07
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  Speaker 7: Hi, Hello Sean. Happy Memorial Day weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a great weekend. What'd you do?
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  Speaker 7: I want the breakdown?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: So, got home from Brussels on Sunday, great fights Saturday
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  Speaker 2: night in Brussels, got home on Sunday, drove directly to Huntsville.
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  Speaker 2: Spent the time up in Huntsville out on the lake,
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: splashing around, had some fun with friends with my kids,
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: and slept like four hours on Sunday night because the
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: kids were just in full friend sleepover play mode and
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: uh yeah, just gritted it through yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: So it was awesome.
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  Speaker 9: Did you do you get along with your children's friends' parents.
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  Speaker 2: Well, interesting, we're in the phase of life right now
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: where the children are mostly introduced to the children.
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  Speaker 3: Of our friends.
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  Speaker 7: Oh okay, okay, so.
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  Speaker 2: It's like and thankfully their kids are fun, and my
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: kids get along great with their kids. But like we
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: were with my old roommate, his lovely wife, they've got
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: kids our same ages basically. And then my wife's best
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: friend she grew up with from like she's been best
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: friends with this person she was like two years old. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: she's got kids that are a little older than our kids,
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: but all the way down, and so we get along
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  Speaker 2: great with them as couples, and the kids all get
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: along good.
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  Speaker 9: See that's key because forced friendships through your children's relationships,
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  Speaker 9: I've found to be bored a lot impossible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be tough when the kids are choosing
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  Speaker 2: the friends and it's like this is my friend and
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: this is my friend's parents, and then I'm just like
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: that parents sucks, yep, But I have to be nice
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  Speaker 2: because you like the kid.
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  Speaker 9: That's yeah, and of all of all the things, excuse me,
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 9: of all the things that I'm bad, and there's a
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 9: good list. Okay, maybe at the top is pretending you
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 9: like people, is pretending that I want to be around anyone,
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  Speaker 9: quite frankly, let alone people that I'm not choosing to
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  Speaker 9: spend time with that fair fair So that's a good
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  Speaker 9: place to be. I was a father young and my
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 9: friends weren't necessarily in that space.
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  Speaker 7: So that was a dynamic that I had quite a bit.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm an old dad.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I'm going to be the cantankerous old
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 2: people are gonna be like, hey, your grandpa, and that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. You golf this weekend? I did?
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  Speaker 7: I did uh not well, but you know I had
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 7: a good time.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta I got a text message this weekend.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: Uh and shout out to to Jan our Utah Golf
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  Speaker 2: Radio Jan because former UFC champion Tyron Woodley was in
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: town for whatever reason. And he knows that I love
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake and I love golf. I love people enjoying
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: their time in Salt Lake City. So he's like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm trying to get tea times. It's a Memorial
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  Speaker 2: Day weekend. He's like, I'm trying to get some tea times.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, all right, you got like a
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: four somewhere. He's like, I'll go, I'll go solo. I'll
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: jump on in a like a for some whatever. Just
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: if you can get me some tea times, that'd be awesome. Now,
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not exactly the number one golf insider, but we
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: have access to those people.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 7: We do.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: And so jam got it hooked up. But he was solo.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: He was just hopping in. And he's famous, very incredibly
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: famous in the fight world because he was.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 3: A UFC champion.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: There was a time where he was the best one
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy pound fighter on planet Earth.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 7: My weight class. Is he a grown up or is
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 7: he a kid? Just out of curiosity, he.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: Is now over two hundred pounds, so he's a grown up.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 7: Oh okay, But.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: I wonder how like because he went on Monday and
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: on or no sorry, on Sunday and on Monday. I
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: want to know if the people on the golf course
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: realize that, like the random handsome dude that into your
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: foursome was at one point the baddest dude on the planet.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 7: Have you talked to him? Do you know if he
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 7: was recognized?
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 3: I don't. I haven't talked to him about that yet.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 7: Because we kind of have like.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 9: Kind of a sneaky big mma, like yeah, you know
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 9: undercurrent culture here.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder. And he's a great dude. He's awesome.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: I love the guy. He He's super easy to get
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: along with. He's from Ferguson, Missouri. Okay, so his where
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 2: he grew up, his background is a lot different than
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City, and so I wonder what the experience was.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 7: Like, I'll tell you it's a miracle. Jam got tea times.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 9: I mean, these days, you have to be online at
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 9: eight am one week prior to the day you want
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 9: to play, and you have to be on the app
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 9: at eight because if you're on the app at eight twenty,
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 9: the times are gone.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 7: My initiative is hashtag shrink the.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 9: Game, because ultimately, what you run into and we ran
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 9: into the show, well, don't grow it. Forever it was
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 9: hashtag grow the game. It's okay, we're good. We're all
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 9: set at this point because now what happens is five
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 9: and a half six hour rounds, and all due respect,
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 9: everybody should be able to play golf, but there are
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 9: certain courses you should go play if you don't really
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 9: know how to play. So over the weekend and there's
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 9: always like one or two groups that just blow it.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 9: And typically it involves a double date where someone's trying
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 9: to learn how to play and asking their partner very
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 9: intensely to teach them how to play. And then you
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 9: run into partners that are very frustrated that after the
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 9: fifth swing, we're not moving on. So we had a
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 9: group over the weekend of beginners and they were walking,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 9: and they had their umbrellas, and they had their fits
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 9: okay dresses, and you know, we're about three groups behind
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 9: these people that are just learning. And I watched one
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 9: of them address the ball, take seven practice wings, and
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 9: then duff the ball like five yards, walk up seven
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 9: practice wings, duff the ball five yards, and this guy
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 9: in the group behind us yells pick up the damn
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 9: ball at the top of his life.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: So hold on, yeah, can we start? Can we become
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: business partners on something?
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 3: What do we.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: Got every other sporting event there is a beginner's thing,
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: right yeah, Like you go to a gym right now,
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 2: they'll sign you up for a beginner's jiu jitsu, beginners kickboxing,
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: beginner's boxing. They'll just throw you in with everybody else
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 2: for your safety and edification and that of the people
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: around you, because nobody wants to deal with your novice
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 2: baby giraffe lack.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 7: Of coordination and you might get seriously hurt.
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: You and I are going to start a new tour
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: where it's there's gonna be a course a week that
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: takes all the beginners on like a wins Day or whatever.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna do this.
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 7: Okay, it's not a bad idea.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 3: We're going off.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: And if you know how to golf, you can't go
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: to Old Mill this Wednesday, right, and if you are
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: a bad golfer you can't.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 3: Go anywhere else.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, this I'm gonna.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 3: Save the game of golf. And I don't even like it.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 9: There is something to this because you would be doing
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 9: the market or real service. Golf takes a lot of
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 9: time anyway, and so if you're in for an extra
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 9: hour hour and a half, I mean, now we're dealing
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 9: with divorces and breakups and real life consequences. When you
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 9: tell your partner, hey, i'll be back in four and
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 9: a half five hours and seven hours past.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 3: It's still bananas to me.
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: Any of you guys are allowed to carve out that
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 2: amount of time, and that your wives are not just
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: stabbing you in the neck when you get home.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 3: That is crazy.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 9: Well, stabbing in the neck would be aggressive, but you know,
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 9: the implication is accurate. And that's why most of the
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 9: really good golfers out there either don't like their wives
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 9: or have been divorced and are single. Like there are
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 9: a lot of really really good golfers that just don't
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 9: like being home because otherwise, and especially if you have
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 9: young kids, like my friends right now who have younger kids,
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 9: it's hard to get them out because that's a lot
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 9: of time to be away when you need to be
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 9: home tending to your fatherly duties. Yeah, but that's why
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 9: most of the best golfers aren't fathers and husbands, you know,
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 9: unless you're a pro, because okay, yeah, this is my
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 9: job and you have two commas in your bank account forever,
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 9: so you can deal with me traveling and playing the game.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 9: But if you're just like a weekend wid you know,
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 9: weekend warrior, just grinding it out there, chances are there
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 9: somebody at home either mad to you or you don't
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 9: give a rip. The way they as far as how
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 9: they feel, is my assertion.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 2: Golf is a study on human nature. I am very
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: eager to hear your thoughts on Diegolu being snubbed from
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: the US men's national team. I want to give you
• 2:33:03
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• 2:33:05
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• 2:33:08
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