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Bryan Kohberger Basking in Own Limelight with TV and Cable Access · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Brian Coburger. Believe it or not,
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  Speaker 1: he probably knows that we're talking about him right now,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why. It has emerged in the
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  Speaker 1: last days that Coburger has his own jail cell with
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  Speaker 1: his own TV including cable, and that he is obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with watching any and all coverage about guess what, himself.
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  Speaker 1: That's right right now, Brian Coburger, who was charged in
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  Speaker 1: the murders of four Idaho college students. It's probably enjoying
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  Speaker 1: finding out that we're talking about him. It almost makes
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  Speaker 1: me not want to talk about him. But that said,
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  Speaker 1: I want to share with you what all we have
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  Speaker 1: learned about Coburger's life behind bars, including of course, endless
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  Speaker 1: hours of coverage about himself. We know a lot more,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to start with that. In joining me
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  Speaker 1: as high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville, Florida, and former
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  Speaker 1: FBI agent Dale Carson Dale Facer being with us, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think about Coe Burger watching endless hours of
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  Speaker 1: coverage about himself. I'm just stunned that they has access
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  Speaker 1: free access to the media. Aaron Jacksonville, Florida. The inmates
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  Speaker 1: in the county jail don't have access to any of
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  Speaker 1: the information television or newspaper. So that was a restriction
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  Speaker 1: that was put on in the nineteen eighties, and it
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  Speaker 1: just seems unusual because it gives him ideas and access
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  Speaker 1: to great many bits of information which he might later
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  Speaker 1: use in order to be is innocence, is Gill. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just thinking about what you said. I want to and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle back to everything, all the amenities he
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  Speaker 1: has behind bars. I've been to the jail. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: not a big jail, and I understand that they wake
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  Speaker 1: the inmates up with soft music. They let them have
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  Speaker 1: pizza night on Friday night. I said that to the twins, Hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: you want to have pizza night. They're like, yay, because
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  Speaker 1: they don't have to eat broccoli again. We eat it
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  Speaker 1: so much. It has a pet named Broggle. But hey,
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  Speaker 1: my son is six foot five, so don't knock it
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  Speaker 1: till you try it. I've done it all I've made.
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  Speaker 1: I call them Martian muffins when they were little because
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  Speaker 1: I made it with broccoli and they were green. We
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  Speaker 1: have broccoli roasted, we have it stir fried. We had
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  Speaker 1: at stir fried last night. With golden raisins and cranberries,
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  Speaker 1: which my son John David picked around all the raisins
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  Speaker 1: and cranberries. I don't know how he's six five? But wait,
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  Speaker 1: how did I get off on Rockolay? Oh yeah, pizza night?
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  Speaker 1: How dare they give this guy pizza night? But soft music?
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  Speaker 1: Wake up? Really? But that said, he also is in
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  Speaker 1: his own cell, segregated from other inmates there at Lott
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  Speaker 1: of County, and has his own TV and basic cable.
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  Speaker 1: An inmate says that he watches himself all the time.
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  Speaker 1: That is really kind of bizarre. Okay, I'll get onto
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  Speaker 1: him finding the Lord in a moment, but what do
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  Speaker 1: you make of him loving every minute of the coverage
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  Speaker 1: about himself? Well, we know from his immediate history that
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  Speaker 1: he's a narcissist. He loves talking about himself. He loves
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  Speaker 1: thinking of himself as vital and very important. So now
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  Speaker 1: he is, thanks to his cable connection to the outside world.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, he just gave me a thought, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'll completely forget it in one minute. You had his
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  Speaker 1: view of himself. I'm going to circle back to the
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  Speaker 1: private TV and cable access he has. But that really
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  Speaker 1: jarred me when you said that because when he was killing,
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  Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, killing those four students, there they were
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  Speaker 1: in a very vulnerable position. They had been out that night,
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  Speaker 1: some of them surely had been drinking, having a good time.
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  Speaker 1: And they're in bed, the lights are off, it's dibbed
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  Speaker 1: a little. Do they know Brian Koberger is going to
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  Speaker 1: come in dressed all in black with a face mask
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  Speaker 1: on and a sharp knife, fixed blade knife. The power
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  Speaker 1: he must have felt over those four victims. Del Carson
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  Speaker 1: is just sick. Well, it is. I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 1: little doubt some one who invests in a knife and
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  Speaker 1: breaking into someone's house in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 1: in order to slaughter them is something that most of
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  Speaker 1: us could never even reasonably consider, and that's outside the
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  Speaker 1: range of normal human conduct. But this individual is described
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  Speaker 1: by other inmates in the facility, has the look of
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  Speaker 1: land the fellow who killed other people. So there's this
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  Speaker 1: stare that we've heard about at the student union, with
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  Speaker 1: young ladies looking at him and him looking at them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there is something evil connected with this individual,
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  Speaker 1: as based on his own behavior. That stare is something.
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  Speaker 1: My daughter saw his picture and the first thing she
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  Speaker 1: said is Mom, his eyes look so evil. She hadn't
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  Speaker 1: see a side by side of him and Bundy or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. She came looked over my shoulder and
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  Speaker 1: I was getting an article on my iPad about him,
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  Speaker 1: and I had that. It's now everywhere picture of him,
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  Speaker 1: him in his orange jumpsuit. Look, I think he's going
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  Speaker 1: into court, but he's looking turns back and looks at
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  Speaker 1: the camera. That's the picture she saw and she's just
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  Speaker 1: fifteen and it hit her. Um. But back to him
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  Speaker 1: watching every minute of coverage. It makes me think of
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  Speaker 1: other serial killers such as BTK buying torture, killed Dennis Rader,
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  Speaker 1: who actually was communicating with the media. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 1: fascinated with themselves. That's exactly right, even Bundy. And I've
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  Speaker 1: seen some him drawn pencil sketches that he made of
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  Speaker 1: himself when he looked in a mirror. Okay, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: you're getting me off on that again. Um, sorry about
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  Speaker 1: Bundy draw pictures of himself in his various costumes as
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  Speaker 1: he looked into the mirror. Yes, okay, So how does
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  Speaker 1: this relate back to BTK in the fascination with self?
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  Speaker 1: But I think they grow up in an environment And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but I know
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  Speaker 1: enough to know that they grow up in an environment
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  Speaker 1: and they're different than everybody else, and that's what sets
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  Speaker 1: them apart, sets them in a world of their own.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's it's something that we interviewed a number
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  Speaker 1: of serial pillars back in the eighties and all of
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  Speaker 1: them had similar characteristics. So part of that similar characteristic
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  Speaker 1: is that they're a loaners. Oh well, what like characteristics?
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  Speaker 1: Don't you know, build me up just to drop me flat?
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  Speaker 1: What what? They're loaners. They are not engaged with other groups.
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  Speaker 1: They tend to be by themselves, and they tend to
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  Speaker 1: focus on the evil part of the world. And they've
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  Speaker 1: violence is something they're interested in, Sexuality is something that
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  Speaker 1: they're interested in. All of those things morph into what
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  Speaker 1: we today are calling in cells. So these are individuals
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  Speaker 1: who simply cannot have a legitimate relationship with other humans,
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  Speaker 1: particularly of the opposite sex. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: So when you say in cell, that's short that's abbreviated
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  Speaker 1: for involuntary celibate. In other words, a man that wants
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  Speaker 1: to be with women, but they don't want to be
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  Speaker 1: with him. For whatever reason, he is not having sex
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  Speaker 1: with women. He's not in day eating no matter how
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  Speaker 1: much he wants to. Of course, the Siminlar cases out
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  Speaker 1: of California. Elliott Rogers, whose father was a famous director,
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  Speaker 1: as I recall, and he opens fire onto college campus
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  Speaker 1: and also releases I guess on YouTube many of his
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  Speaker 1: in cell rants about how much he hates women and
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  Speaker 1: why are they with this guy or that guy instead
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  Speaker 1: of with him? Listen, hi, Elliot Roger here, Well, this
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  Speaker 1: is my last video. It all has to come to this.
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow's the day of retribution, the day in which I
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  Speaker 1: will have my revenge against humanity, against all of you.
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  Speaker 1: For the last eight years of my life, ever since
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  Speaker 1: I've hit puberty, I've been forced to endure an existence
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  Speaker 1: of loneliness, rejection, and unfulfilled desires. Oh because girls have
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  Speaker 1: never been attracted to me. Girls gave their affection and
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  Speaker 1: sex and love to other men, but never to me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm twenty two years old and I'm still a virgin.
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  Speaker 1: Has been very tortuous. College is the time when everyone
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  Speaker 1: experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: But in those years I've had to rot in loneliness.
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  Speaker 1: It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me,
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  Speaker 1: but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice,
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  Speaker 1: a crime, because I don't know what you don't see
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  Speaker 1: in me and the perfect guy, and yet you throw
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  Speaker 1: yourselves and all these obnoxious men instead of me, the
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  Speaker 1: supreme gentleman. Ah. To hear him is just chilling. Don't
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  Speaker 1: you find it interesting? Don't you find it interesting that
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  Speaker 1: these men come from a woman. I mean, the whole
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  Speaker 1: thing is sort of bizarre to me, because women, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think fully appreciate their ability to destroy or injure
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  Speaker 1: a male by denying them access, and that is in
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  Speaker 1: mother nature. I guess you're talking about access to sex. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I am talking about that every every time I talk
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  Speaker 1: to you, I'm talking about basic cable in his cell. Somehow,
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  Speaker 1: Dale Carson, you end up talking about sex. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: a pretty important aspect of our existence, wouldn't you agree? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it has to do with him
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  Speaker 1: watching basic cable alone in a cell, but that said,
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  Speaker 1: the way I think about I mean, I look at
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  Speaker 1: the way my dad treated my mom whenever she would
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  Speaker 1: have a success or some achievement at work or at
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  Speaker 1: church or whatever she was doing, he was happy. It
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  Speaker 1: was never like jealous or angry. And my husband is
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  Speaker 1: the same way my son. Whenever my daughter Lucy achieves something,
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  Speaker 1: he's like the first one to say, Wow, Lucy, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: I just find it. I don't understand how an insult
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  Speaker 1: grows up with so much hatred toward women, but there
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  Speaker 1: had to be hatred toward women and Brian Coburger's heart
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  Speaker 1: if in fact he did this thing, Can I get
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  Speaker 1: you out of the weeds? Del Carson and back in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the road talking about Coburger's obsession with
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  Speaker 1: himself and how the prosecutor can he use that at trial? Well,
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  Speaker 1: if he ever decided to testify on the stand, you
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  Speaker 1: I both know how it would all happen, Right, He
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  Speaker 1: would suddenly be angry and full of himself on the stand,
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  Speaker 1: and he would lose any benefit with the jury panel
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  Speaker 1: that he might have acquired by testifying. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: the way those things occur. We also know that inside
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  Speaker 1: the lot of County jail, the jailers choose for the
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  Speaker 1: other inmates watch, probably because it's a group TV, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't want the inmates to break out into a
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  Speaker 1: fight and stab each other with a shank over whether
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  Speaker 1: they're going to watch Martha Stewart or let's make a deal.
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  Speaker 1: That's how, that's why, that's why they stopped having inmates
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  Speaker 1: given access to the Internet or at the time, cable
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  Speaker 1: in the Jacksonville jails, because they would fight over what
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  Speaker 1: animal wants to be displayed. And here Coburg has got
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  Speaker 1: his own private delivery service with table. I mean, it's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Why would you do Well, wait a minute, it's not
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  Speaker 1: really that hard to imagine. If you could see my son,
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  Speaker 1: he wants to watch Kung Fu and Action and I'm
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  Speaker 1: on his side. Don't tell Lucy and she wants to
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  Speaker 1: watch Vampire Diaries, and she wants to watch Gossip Girl
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  Speaker 1: and Gilmore Girls. She's all about Rory and where's Rory
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  Speaker 1: going to go to college? So and they had, let
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  Speaker 1: me just say, very strident discussions about what's going to
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  Speaker 1: be Well, my husband and I just want to watch
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  Speaker 1: A father brown and fall asleep. But that's it. I
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  Speaker 1: can imagine hardened inmates, you know, literally stabbing each other
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  Speaker 1: with a homemade shank over whether they're gonna watch as
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  Speaker 1: the World Turns or that is that even still on
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  Speaker 1: or is that off? It's not on. Okay, a soap
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  Speaker 1: opera or whatever, A talk show, I can definitely see
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  Speaker 1: that happening. But my point is Coberger has his own
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  Speaker 1: TV and he gets to pick what he watches as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to the other inmates. That's not right, Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. And it does show a favorite chisen towards
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  Speaker 1: his situation, which is that he's in custody for slaughterings
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  Speaker 1: for people. We also know that he has not asked
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  Speaker 1: for mental health counseling, but he has quote found God
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  Speaker 1: behind bars. Can I tell you funny story? Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: was a new prosecutor and I had just been a
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  Speaker 1: sign my own courtroom, and I was handling all the
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  Speaker 1: States business from that courtroom, which was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: a lot of felonies. So okay, the way that courtroom
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  Speaker 1: worked is we would handle the jail cases first, plea
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  Speaker 1: arrayment day, because you know, the inmates would come over
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  Speaker 1: on a bus and you wanted them generally finished by
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  Speaker 1: a certain time whatever business you were going to do
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  Speaker 1: with them, so they could get back on the bus.
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  Speaker 1: And get back in time. So I would try to
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  Speaker 1: take the jail mates please and plea discussions first, and
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  Speaker 1: in this court, the defense attorney for each jail mate
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  Speaker 1: would come into a conference room. I would sit there
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  Speaker 1: and then they'd bring in the inmate and I'd go
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  Speaker 1: through the police file and what I knew about his
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  Speaker 1: record and get make an offer on a plea deal.
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  Speaker 1: And it was usually a lot, and they usually wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: take it, and then finally break down and take it
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  Speaker 1: as I'm striking. No, not after I started striking a jury.
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  Speaker 1: No more deals then. But that said. One inmate came
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  Speaker 1: in with a giant hand crocheted cross made out of yarn,
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  Speaker 1: I get us hanging around his neck. No, it was
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  Speaker 1: like red yarn or something. And I looked at him.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, this guy is clearly trying
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  Speaker 1: to turn his life around. He has found the Lord.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, I'm going to take that to consideration
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  Speaker 1: in the deal. He's trying to turn his life around.
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  Speaker 1: So I told him that, I said, did you make that?
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  Speaker 1: Why did you make that? What does that mean to you?
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  Speaker 1: Well he gave me all the right answers, that said,
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  Speaker 1: can I tell you that was on a Thursday. The
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  Speaker 1: next Thursday, about eighteen inmates came in with giant yarn
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  Speaker 1: crosses around their necks. Yes, I was duped. I was duped.
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  Speaker 1: So now here it is again, Coburger has found the Lord.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of that, Carson, Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: us usually lives in the jails because they don't have
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  Speaker 1: any hope. They know they're guilty, and you know, you
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  Speaker 1: got to pay the piper here on This better not
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  Speaker 1: be any kind of a christ joke, because I do
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  Speaker 1: not take Mary kindly to that. Oh it's not a joke.
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  Speaker 1: If you've ever been in the old prisons, you'll see
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  Speaker 1: beautiful pictures drawn on the concrete walls of the Christ.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it is true that that's all they have
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  Speaker 1: to look forward to because they know they're guilty. They
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  Speaker 1: know they're guilty. But you know, you got to give
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  Speaker 1: Caesar his due right, and that's on this planet, and
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  Speaker 1: that's where he's got to pay the piper. And what
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  Speaker 1: happens in the future. If there is a heaven, which
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  Speaker 1: I hope there is and I believe there is, then
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  Speaker 1: of course that's on him, but not for here, for us,
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  Speaker 1: for us today. If he's convicted of these crimes, he
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  Speaker 1: needs to suffer a maximum penalty. This is someone who
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  Speaker 1: does not need to be living among us any longer.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that he has given a private Mass on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard that he or his family were very
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  Speaker 1: religious prior to this. Maybe they are, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about it, but he does go to Mass and
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  Speaker 1: he has deep conversations with the priest. Of course, del
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  Speaker 1: Carson explained why we will never know what those two
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  Speaker 1: were saying to each other. Well, that's a privilege, but
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  Speaker 1: it may only last as long as he's alive. Right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: we're never going to hear what they say because the priest, yes,
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  Speaker 1: penitent client, that's you know, priest, parishioner. What you say
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  Speaker 1: to your pastor or your spiritual counselor can never come
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  Speaker 1: into court. It's like an attorney client privilege or husband
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  Speaker 1: wife privilege, and it does not the priest. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: guess it would be the priest that would do it.
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  Speaker 1: But for instance, if a husband tells a wife, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I committed a murder, and she's called to the stand
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  Speaker 1: as the husband that calls the privilege, that's a privilege communication.
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  Speaker 1: You can't ask her about that, so anything that they're
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  Speaker 1: saying to each other will never be divulged in court.
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  Speaker 1: So we know that. We also know he gets to
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  Speaker 1: go to the library. We know that he can get calls,
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  Speaker 1: and he has options to call on FaceTime or contact
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  Speaker 1: them by regular phone. So he's got a lot of privileges.
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  Speaker 1: What he's got unique privileges that the other inmates are
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  Speaker 1: not enjoying because they don't have the same notoriety because
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  Speaker 1: they haven't killed four people. That's exactly right. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling you, I'm of the opinion that they shouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: access to the media because it simply allows them to
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  Speaker 1: generate their Oh and as a defense attorney, you will
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  Speaker 1: have times come to you and say, well, this guy
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  Speaker 1: only got this much, and this guy did this, and
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  Speaker 1: he said that, And it makes for a great deal
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  Speaker 1: of confusion because it's likely not often true, but likely
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  Speaker 1: that we know whether our minds are guilty or not.
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  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. What do you think, other
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  Speaker 1: than him basking in his own limelight, what do you
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  Speaker 1: make of the fact that many within law enforcement are
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  Speaker 1: voicing the opinion in that he is a perfect candidate
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  Speaker 1: for the death penalty. Well, I believe that there are
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  Speaker 1: certain people, as I said earlier, who should not be
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  Speaker 1: among us any longer, and we don't need to be
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  Speaker 1: supporting them. How to manage whether you empower the government
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  Speaker 1: to kill people, which we you know, we don't want
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  Speaker 1: other people killing people. We don't want that. But it's
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  Speaker 1: a big controversy. There are people who are definitely against
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  Speaker 1: point of phrase, the death penalty, and there are those
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  Speaker 1: who are for it. My position, my position ultimately is
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  Speaker 1: that if you do something as horrible as what he's
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  Speaker 1: accused of doing, if you're the perpetrator of that, you
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  Speaker 1: no longer need to be among us. But I would
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  Speaker 1: like to interview him to find out something we don't
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  Speaker 1: need to know, but I'd love to know, is what
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  Speaker 1: motivated him. What was the point where he reached the
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  Speaker 1: decision in his own mind that he was going to
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  Speaker 1: commit this horrible offense, the motive, and I understand we
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  Speaker 1: don't need to know that, but I certainly would be
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  Speaker 1: interested in knowing that, aside from you or my personal
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: feelings about the depa. He is a candidate for the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty because the state has to lay out what
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  Speaker 1: is called aggravating circumstances in order to seek the death penalty.
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  Speaker 1: And one of those aggravating circumstances in many jurisdictions is
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  Speaker 1: mass casualties, which equals more than one dead body, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in this case we absolutely have that. Now here's an
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  Speaker 1: indication del Carson, the judge has given another lawyer to
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  Speaker 1: the defense team. He's really lawyering up. He's got a
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  Speaker 1: fleet of lawyers now on his behalf. And to try
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  Speaker 1: or defend a death penalty case, the lawyers must be
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  Speaker 1: death penalty qualified. I had gotten I was death penalty
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  Speaker 1: qualified as a prosecutor for the defense. You have had
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  Speaker 1: to be second chair on a death penalty case. You've
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  Speaker 1: had to put in so many hours on death penalty work,
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  Speaker 1: or else you cannot represent the defendant and a death
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  Speaker 1: penalty case. And now we see him lawyering up and
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  Speaker 1: getting more lawyers. I think that's a sign to me
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  Speaker 1: in the state will seek the death penalty that has
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: not been announced yet. We also know the Idaho jail
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: officials are willing to accommodate this quadruple murder suspect Brian
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Coburger's vegan diet. I wonder if they wash the pans well.
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  Speaker 1: They say they're not going to buy knew pots and pans.
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  Speaker 1: But remember he did make his mom and dad buy
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  Speaker 1: new pots and pans, and then makes you wonder. That
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  Speaker 1: makes you wonder if that's not the trigger for his
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: insul behavior. What do you mean the relationship between his
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: mother and father with him? I mean he had to
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  Speaker 1: generate the hostility toward women from some place, and you wonder,
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  Speaker 1: why the fuck? But what does that have to do
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  Speaker 1: with a vegan diet. Well, they got rid of their pants.
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  Speaker 1: Who music control of that household? Oh well, obviously, Coburger.
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  Speaker 1: Can I tell you something else I'm so happy about,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: because you know, the circumstances surrounding the arrest are allowed
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  Speaker 1: into evidence at trial. When they did the pre dawn
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: on the early morning raid on Coburger's family home in
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the Poconos, he was standing there in the kitchen and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a pair of shorts wearing surgical gloves, separating trash and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: putting his trash into sandwich bags. I could not be
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: any happier at this moment. Who does that? Timing is everything,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and who does that? Nobody other than guilty people. But
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the same thing is true when he's asking for a
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: priest at his jail cell to give him well, to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: allow him to confess if you will. I mean, it's
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the same sort of thing. Right, he knows he's guilty,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: he's got to give that information to somebody, and he
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  Speaker 1: can give it in a priest penitent relationship and it
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  Speaker 1: never gets disclosed outside. And you know, it's fascinates me
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  Speaker 1: that he can do that. What do they give him
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  Speaker 1: a private room? Because if the priest is in the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: jail cell with him, certainly somebody's got to overhear that.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Can I just talk about him standing in the kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: a pair of surgical gloves, separating the trash and putting
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: his trash in baggies? Can we just sent him in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: plays I'm busy the cat is interested in Brian kay Burger.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: That would be one of the first things I want
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  Speaker 1: to tell the jury. And just let it sink in.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: When he's arrested, he's standing in his parents' kitchen and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a pair of shorts and plastic gloves separating out his
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: trash and putting it in sandwich bags. Just hold on, wait,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: let that sink in. What in the h double L
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Why was he doing that? Obviously because he was trying
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: to hide evidence and he's trying to collect perhaps trophies
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: as well. Think about that. Sadly we're talking about it,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and it's going to be online, and he's gonna probably
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: find out about it when he hops onto the computer
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: in the library at the jail, and that will give
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: him some time to think about it and come up
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: with some zany theory about why he was doing it
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to give his lawyers at trial, which I think is
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: going to be a death penalty case. Okay, del Carson,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: any other thoughts you're gonna throw at me about Brian
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Cary Burger and can he plays not about sex and
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: not about in sales something else? Right? So, one of
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the things that occurred to me is they've subpointed all
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: this information from a variety of places and companies. And
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: one of those thoughts that occurred to me is when
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: you have grub hubs that's delivering food to places, if
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: he was on their app and he had signed up
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to those programs, any of these delivery programs, and he's
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: in the vicinity of that residence where these murders occurred,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: they would notice him that somebody wanted food delivered to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that residence. And that can allow someone like co Burger
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: access to your residence when they're just delivering the food.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: They're gonna see you that, you're going to give them
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  Speaker 1: a tip, You're going to open the door, you might
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: even invite him into the kitchen. Those are the dangers
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that we've face today with the Internet and these systems
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: which don't verify, and of course with Coburger. If he
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: announced that he was in fact a PhD student in
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: an ear by college, he would pass any initial vetting
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the companies would do. How do you protect I've got
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: advice for everybody on that Tell the driver leave it
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: at the door and go away. You've already put your
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: tip in, so there's no need for you to have
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: personal interaction with the food truck. I mean the food delivery.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: But you know what you're talking about. At first I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: started to pooh pooh it. But didn't they order food
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: that night? Yes? And he's saying, yes they did, and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: no doubt that's a consistent behavior right before the murders,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Right before the murders. Del Carson, the reason you come
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: up with all of these really great ideas, former fed
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: with the FBI, now high profile lawyer, trial lawyer in Jacksonville, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Dela Carson. We'll see if any of our discussion comes
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to fruition and co Burger. Hey, we know you're watching
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Goodbye Friends, not you, Coburger, not you, everybody but you.