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SCOTT PETERSON SHOCK CLAIM: UNBORN SON CONNER PROVES "I'M INNOCENT" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Scott Peterson shock claim that
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  Speaker 1: his unborn son, his unborn baby boy, Connor's body, proves
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  Speaker 1: he's innocent, that he did not murder Lacy Peterson and
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  Speaker 1: their unborn child Connor. Really, good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my father love call, He went, saying, well, morning,
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  Speaker 2: my daughter has been lifting this morning. Eight months pregnanty
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  Speaker 2: took her dog for a walk full of heart from here.
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  Speaker 2: God came home with the belief shock dog came back
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  Speaker 2: forgot you got it?
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  Speaker 3: Peter Peter pry White.
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  Speaker 2: Portuguesay, she's twenty six.
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  Speaker 4: Then come back that we don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We've just got a call from our son in law
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  Speaker 2: that he left at twenty at nine, the play off
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  Speaker 2: at home about a half hour ago, nowhere around way
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  Speaker 2: walked it in here and that's part.
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  Speaker 5: He said.
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  Speaker 6: Pardon eight months pregnant? Did it ever strike you?
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  Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel, But there are three
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  Speaker 1: guests that everybody wants to talk to no offense to
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  Speaker 1: the other guests joining us is Jero number four, and
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  Speaker 1: I guess we can reveal his name now. Mike Belmacieri
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  Speaker 1: joining us also with me. Al Brakini, detective on the case.
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  Speaker 1: That name is dedicated to memory Forever and also tattooed
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  Speaker 1: on my brain.
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  Speaker 6: John Buehller, another.
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  Speaker 1: Detective on the Scott Peterson case. I mean, let me
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  Speaker 1: just start with you, John, did this strike you at
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  Speaker 1: the very beginning? Why isn't her husband calling nine to
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  Speaker 1: one one?
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  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, there were a lot of things that struck
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  Speaker 7: us with him. His behavior was very unusual from the start,
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  Speaker 7: and even when Al was dealing with him, there were
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  Speaker 7: a lot of things that came up that we just
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  Speaker 7: don't see that often when we're dealing with people that
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  Speaker 7: are suffering.
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  Speaker 8: A loss like this.
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  Speaker 7: Even though he didn't know she was well, he knew
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  Speaker 7: she was dead, but nobody else.
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  Speaker 1: Did you say something like that, John Bueller? You can't
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  Speaker 1: just drop a bomb and then not put out the fire.
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  Speaker 1: What thing struck you right off the bat?
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  Speaker 7: Well, when you know this, Nancy and most of your
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  Speaker 7: viewers do too. When people have an emergency like this
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  Speaker 7: in the family and somebody loved is missing and they
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  Speaker 7: just they're frantic, They're just all over the place. They
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  Speaker 7: got one hundred questions for us. They're constantly bugging us
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  Speaker 7: about why aren't you doing this, Why aren't you doing that?
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  Speaker 7: We only have so many resources available, and we're trying
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  Speaker 7: to answer their questions and knew the job at the
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  Speaker 7: same time. But the only one of all these people,
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  Speaker 7: whether it was Lacey's friends or family or any associates,
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  Speaker 7: the only one who wasn't frantic about this the whole
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  Speaker 7: time was Scott And that is unusual. We've seen it before.
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  Speaker 7: Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but it's just one more
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  Speaker 7: piece of circumstantial evidence that convinced us that he did it.
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  Speaker 7: Putting the case together, and then obviously it can you
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  Speaker 7: can convinced Mike and the other juris or the other
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  Speaker 7: jury members that he had done it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you one thing you told me about
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  Speaker 1: Bueller that I didn't know, and I thought I knew
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  Speaker 1: every fact of the case, was that once Lacey and
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  Speaker 1: Connor's bodies had washed up on the shore, her in
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  Speaker 1: horrible decomposition, and baby Connor like a pristine little baby doll,
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  Speaker 1: like one of those plastic little baby dolls you get
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  Speaker 1: at the Dollar Tree.
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  Speaker 6: He was in perfect shape. You tell Peterson, we just
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  Speaker 6: got the DNA back. The body is Lacey, And what
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  Speaker 6: did he say? Within minutes, I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Take a double double with cheese fry and a vanilla
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  Speaker 1: milkshake at the in and out.
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  Speaker 6: Within minutes he wanted a double double.
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  Speaker 1: You know what when I was told my fiance was killed,
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  Speaker 1: and at that moment, I didn't know it had been
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  Speaker 1: a murder.
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  Speaker 6: I thought there was a car crash. I don't think
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  Speaker 6: I ate again for I don't even know how long
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  Speaker 6: I lost out to eighty nine pounds.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the first thing I consumed, it was some
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  Speaker 1: orange juice. I don't know how much longer.
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  Speaker 6: After that, but he was happy to get a double double.
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  Speaker 1: Within minutes of learning that dead body, those horribly decomposed
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  Speaker 1: remains were Lacey. Alborhini joining me a name that many
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  Speaker 1: people have only read about or heard about. ALBERKINI leading,
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  Speaker 1: along with Bueller, the investigation into Lacey and Connor's disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: Al did it ever strike you right at the get go?
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  Speaker 1: Why is it Peterson calling nine one one.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if that struck me as much as
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  Speaker 5: some of the other things, but I mean, he he
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  Speaker 5: was out. His father in law told him go check
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  Speaker 5: the neighbors. He did what he was told. He forgot
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  Speaker 5: what he was doing. I mean, he first neighbor thought
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  Speaker 5: he was golfing when he was fishing. But that didn't
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  Speaker 5: strike me. But what did strike me was he wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: take a polygraph. He said he would on that night,
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  Speaker 5: on the December twenty fourth, and he refused on the
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  Speaker 5: twenty fifth, and then he made us get a search
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  Speaker 5: warrant to search his house on the December twenty sixth,
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  Speaker 5: search his phone, search his computer. And it was all
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  Speaker 5: I told him, It's like, we want to just check
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  Speaker 5: and see if maybe she had a place, he had
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  Speaker 5: a stalker, maybe she had a boyfriend you don't know about.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe there was some strange things in the house that
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  Speaker 5: we couldn't look for. On the twenty fourth and he won,
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  Speaker 5: you know, he made us get a warrant, and so
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  Speaker 5: that was and he refused the polly. So those were
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  Speaker 5: some red flags right in the beginning. Still didn't push
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  Speaker 5: me over the edge thinking that she was dead or
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  Speaker 5: that he did it. But those were besides coming straight
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  Speaker 5: home from fishing and taking the dirty clothes out of
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  Speaker 5: the washer and washing his own clothes, just his clothes.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, those were all red flags.
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  Speaker 6: Too, just his clothes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a whole other can of worms right there,
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  Speaker 1: that he sullenly turned neat Nick and only wanted to
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  Speaker 1: wash his clothes.
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  Speaker 9: See.
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  Speaker 6: I knew he did laundry, but I didn't remember he
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  Speaker 6: only washed his own clothes.
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  Speaker 1: Mike, Bill Mascieri joining US Jero number four, former chief
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  Speaker 1: of staff with the Marine Corps.
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  Speaker 6: I remember injury selection. I wanted you because chief of staff,
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  Speaker 6: Marine Corps. Okay, they don't play all right, Mike? Did
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  Speaker 6: it strike you right at the get.
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  Speaker 1: Go when you're sitting there listening to that nine to
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  Speaker 1: one one call and you think where was he?
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  Speaker 6: Why didn't he call the moment he realized his wife
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  Speaker 6: was missing?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, For myself, I like to listen to everything
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  Speaker 4: and finish the story and make a decision. My feeling was,
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't there. I didn't know what was going on,
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  Speaker 4: But it was strange, but not so strange that I
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  Speaker 4: would think he was doing anything that wasn't right, so
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  Speaker 4: to speak. I could have been out looking, could have
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  Speaker 4: been doing a lot of things. Ron Grantsky made the call.
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  Speaker 4: It was important to get to get somebody on the
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  Speaker 4: street to start looking for and that's what was important.
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  Speaker 10: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: You know with Scott Peterson, it's not one thing, it's
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  Speaker 4: all the things. You just you just can't pick at
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  Speaker 4: point to one in my in my opinion, which with
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  Speaker 4: a buck, I couldn't buy a cup of coffee. But
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  Speaker 4: you know you can't say, Okay, this is what happens. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: this makes it guilty. No, you have to take a
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  Speaker 4: look at the entire picture and you have to put
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  Speaker 4: it all together. And the only way you can do
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  Speaker 4: that and do it right is in the man in
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  Speaker 4: which we did it during deliberations without any outside influences.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Bell Mescieri, j'reror number four in the Scott Peterson trial.
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  Speaker 6: I'm so glad you said what you just said, because
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  Speaker 6: if you had said.
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  Speaker 1: Anything else, defense Attorney Troy Slayton would have had a
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  Speaker 1: field day that you made up.
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  Speaker 6: Your mind the moment you heard the nine one one call.
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  Speaker 6: But that's not what he said, is it, Slayton?
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  Speaker 11: That's not what he said. But you also didn't ask
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  Speaker 11: him if his opinion would change now if he heard
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  Speaker 11: new information, and there is new information that is dropping
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  Speaker 11: just recently in this twenty year old case.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy straight out to renowned death investigator, Professor forensics Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: State University.
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  Speaker 6: And author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: The star of a Hitting You podcast series, Body Bags
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  Speaker 1: with Josephcott Morgan Joe Scott, thank you for.
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  Speaker 6: Being with us.
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  Speaker 1: What is Garag's claiming now using baby Connor's body as
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  Speaker 1: some type of exculpatory evidence.
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, hey, look, you can't have it both ways. Remember
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  Speaker 12: what the defense team also said. They said that whoever
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  Speaker 12: these people were that were responsible for Lacey's death, they
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  Speaker 12: actually cut his body out of herbs. Remember that, That's
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  Speaker 12: what they argued. You can't have it both ways. So
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  Speaker 12: the body is intact to a great degree. Remember they
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  Speaker 12: were talking about you'd mentioned right from the top, Nancy,
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  Speaker 12: that Connor's remains were I'm not wordying about that were
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  Speaker 12: not necessarily pristine, but compared to Lacey's body, so that
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  Speaker 12: leads us to believe that the body was in fact protected.
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  Speaker 12: What I'm saying here is you can't have it both ways.
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  Speaker 12: You can't say that some unknown phanom out there fantoms
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  Speaker 12: took a knife and removed this baby's precious body from
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  Speaker 12: mama's body and disposed of them individually into debate. It
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  Speaker 12: doesn't make sense. So now they want to backtrack and
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  Speaker 12: say that well, gestationally from the age perspective, that the
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  Speaker 12: numbers all wrong. The initial study that this expert that
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  Speaker 12: the prosecution called those numbers were based on actual nineteen
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  Speaker 12: seventy studies from I can't remember the exact year, but
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  Speaker 12: jump forward.
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  Speaker 1: There have been published. In nineteen eighty four the study
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  Speaker 1: was published, and that study was what the expert at
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  Speaker 1: trial relied upon to date to age the fetus Connor.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, and so one of the things that happens, just
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  Speaker 12: so everybody knows this, this is how we do this,
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  Speaker 12: all right, It's very simple. When we have a fetus,
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  Speaker 12: we're going to measure gestational I would be very curious
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  Speaker 12: if this individual that was the expert actually physically held
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  Speaker 12: his remains, held Connor's remains and did the examine like
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  Speaker 12: they did in the morgue. The data that we get
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  Speaker 12: from the morgue is based in these areas. We do
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  Speaker 12: what's called a crown rump measurement, we do a crown
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  Speaker 12: heel measurement, we do head circumference. There's a couple other things,
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  Speaker 12: but one of the most important things is that we
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  Speaker 12: look at what will refer to as the gyri and
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  Speaker 12: the sulside, the kind of wavy little lines in the brain,
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  Speaker 12: and we get a baseline off of that for age.
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  Speaker 12: At twenty weeks you begin to get gyri, which are
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  Speaker 12: these kind of bumps on the brain. Before that, the
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  Speaker 12: brain is smooth. So we start off at that level
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  Speaker 12: just to try to understand where they are gestationally. The
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  Speaker 12: problem is is that they're pinning this to just a
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  Speaker 12: couple of days. There's no way, there's no way you
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  Speaker 12: can tie it down this closely scientifically.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, let me go to the
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  Speaker 1: three experts who were there during the trial and actually
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  Speaker 1: weighed the evidence. First of all, to Brukinnie, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: if all of that went over anybody's head, mine or
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  Speaker 1: a gerrar's.
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  Speaker 6: Head, you can go back, fall back on common sense.
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  Speaker 1: The defense is now arguing in another push to have
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  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson walk free. They are now saying baby Connor's
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  Speaker 1: body proves that Lacey died after the twenty fourth, such
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  Speaker 1: as as late as January the fifth, and therefore, since
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  Speaker 1: Peterson was under a microscope at that point, he's not
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  Speaker 1: the killer. That's the significance of Connor's body. Okay, Bueller,
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  Speaker 1: common sense. Lacy's body was extremely decomposed, Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Connor's was not. What does that prove?
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  Speaker 1: The medical examiner at the time said that Lacey's body
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  Speaker 1: decomposed in the water of San Francisco Bay.
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  Speaker 6: One of the.
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  Speaker 1: Last muscles to decompose, the thickest muscle, is the uterus.
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  Speaker 1: To protect the baby, she was already in great decomposition,
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  Speaker 1: and finally her uterus decomposed later than the rest of
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  Speaker 1: her body. The uterus came apart, it disintegrated, and baby
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  Speaker 1: Connor came out. That's why he was protected from the elements,
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  Speaker 1: and she was not fast forward right now, since Lacey
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  Speaker 1: was so decomposed and Connor was so pristine in comparison,
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  Speaker 1: that shoots their theory to hell and back.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I think it does. Yeah, I think it does.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, this is one of those things they're
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  Speaker 7: just trying to throw things against the world to see
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  Speaker 7: what's going to stick. But the only problem is is
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  Speaker 7: you're just going to have a battle of experts here,
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  Speaker 7: and it's going to be up to whoever reviews this
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  Speaker 7: information to decide who's right on that. But to me,
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  Speaker 7: it's not an exacting science. I'm not a scientist or
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  Speaker 7: anything like that, not a biologist, but to me, it's
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  Speaker 7: just not an exacting science where you can pin it
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  Speaker 7: down to.
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  Speaker 10: That many days.
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  Speaker 7: But if they do, that's going to poke holes in
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  Speaker 7: their burglary theory and the things that go along with that.
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  Speaker 6: And why let me throw this to al BROKINI.
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  Speaker 1: Why would this new theory that Peterson has come up
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  Speaker 1: with As he's twiddling his thumbs, he's probably having a
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  Speaker 1: glass of Bruno behind bars right now, Brickhini, How would
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  Speaker 1: this new theory they've come up with ruin his burglary theory?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you one thing. If they think
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  Speaker 5: she was alive till the from the twenty eighth to
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  Speaker 5: the January fifth in Modesto and being hidden somewhere, whether
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  Speaker 5: there's a five hundred thousand dollars reward out for information
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  Speaker 5: for her return, that's crazy. There's nobody in Modesto. Those
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  Speaker 5: burglars especially, he could buy them off for about fifty
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  Speaker 5: bucks five hundred thousand dollars. Somebody is going to talk.
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  Speaker 5: She was gone by then the twenty fourth. She was
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  Speaker 5: not in Modesto no more. She was on her way
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  Speaker 5: to Berkeley, And that's all I can say about that.
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  Speaker 6: So, Mike, you're number four, Mike Bellmacieri.
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  Speaker 1: Does anybody really believe that a bunch of men, typically
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  Speaker 1: men in white suits, hauled around a microscope, can tell
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  Speaker 1: a female juror the exact day of gestational age, because
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  Speaker 1: you know what, my children were born six weeks early. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't buy any of that, But what I
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  Speaker 1: do buy is the condition of the bodies. Are they
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  Speaker 1: trying to argue Lacy was kept alive for all those
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  Speaker 1: days and then sliced open to get Connor. But then
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  Speaker 1: they decided, oh yeah, we don't want the baby anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Now that we've kidnapped her and taken the baby out
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  Speaker 1: of her, we're just gonna throw them in San Francisco Bay.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't even make sense.
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  Speaker 4: Mike Nancy. You hit on an interesting point, common sense,
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  Speaker 4: but we have to realize common sense is not common.
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  Speaker 4: Number one, Number two Gargos. Garagos put on an expert
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  Speaker 4: witness called doctor March. That's his definition of expertise. We
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  Speaker 4: all know how that went. Also, you know, Garagos reaches
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  Speaker 4: for a lot of straws. He on one interview, and
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  Speaker 4: I believe al BROKINI was present with a great bartas
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  Speaker 4: he suggested during intimidation, during deliberations. Well, he wasn't in
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  Speaker 4: the room.
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  Speaker 13: I was.
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  Speaker 4: That's a lie. Regarding the issue of where the bodies
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  Speaker 4: were found. I suppose there's some science now that says
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  Speaker 4: that he couldn't have done it because they were dumped
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  Speaker 4: in a different area. If we all go back to
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  Speaker 4: the night or the day prior to the remains being discovered,
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  Speaker 4: there was a terrible storm, and so you can't you
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  Speaker 4: know when you have storms. And I've spent a lot
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  Speaker 4: of time on the bay, and you know, things change,
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  Speaker 4: and so.
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  Speaker 10: You know, I don't you know.
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  Speaker 4: And as far as the science, we're talking about days,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't think that we've come to a point
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  Speaker 4: in our lives where science is so exact that we
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  Speaker 4: could say this is this is the absolute this with
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  Speaker 4: a botny question is when Connor was what was killed?
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  Speaker 10: So to speak?
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  Speaker 4: And of course, you know, things in twenty one years,
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  Speaker 4: it's been almost since we issued that verdict, things have changed.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't believe that we're so arrogant to think
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  Speaker 4: that we're so good at things, and we aren't we
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  Speaker 4: you know, somebody once told me, there's no absolutes. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I'll give you an absolute I'm absolutely convinced that Scott
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  Speaker 4: Peterson is guilty of murdering his wife. And I'm born child.
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  Speaker 4: And when the La Innocence Project called me, that's exactly
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  Speaker 4: what I told them, and they want so, well, we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna listen.
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  Speaker 10: I go again.
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  Speaker 4: I'll listen to anything you have to say. I'm a
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  Speaker 4: reasonable man, but you know, don't peel on my leg
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  Speaker 4: and tell me it's.
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  Speaker 1: Raining convicted double killer Scott Peterson trying every trick in
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  Speaker 1: the book to walk free. Does he have a chance
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  Speaker 1: thanks to the LA Innocence Project.
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  Speaker 6: Well, listen to this.
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  Speaker 14: I was searching for my family. I wanted to search,
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  Speaker 14: to continue stay in contact with Ambry Thotty, and she
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  Speaker 14: would get into the picture of complicated ruin the search
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  Speaker 14: for what.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's Scott Peterson in Peacock's face to face with
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  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson explaining why he kept leading Amber Fry, his mistress,
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  Speaker 1: on after Lacy and Connor went missing, well after he
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  Speaker 1: killed them, and the community the nation was searching frantically
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  Speaker 1: for them. He says, I was searching for my family. No,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't, and I wanted to search to continue. No,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: he didn't, and I stayed in touch. I stayed in
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: contact with Amber so she wouldn't get into the picture
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and complicate it and ruin the search.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: Have you ever heard a.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Bigger load technical legal term of BS in your life?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Let me just throw that out to BRAKINI ever heard
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a bigger load of stinking's, smoking, steaming BS.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: I've never heard a bigger load. And for him to
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: predict to Amber three weeks before she was missing that
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: he lost his wife just to keep her, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: he predicted it. He predicted that he's going to lose
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: his wife three weeks before. So I don't know what
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: he's talking about, saying he was keeping her in there.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember he said it would be his first
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Christmas without Lacey.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: Boo who Okay, Now there is another.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Claim in addition to baby Connor's fetus proves he's innocent.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Now there's another claim advanced by the la ip La
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: inn Project.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: Listen.
• 20:42
  Speaker 13: Defense attorneys also want to present an analysis by a
• 20:46
  Speaker 13: forensic document examiner who claims it's Lacy Peterson's handwriting and
• 20:50
  Speaker 13: notes on the cost of anchors, indicating Scott Peterson did
• 20:54
  Speaker 13: not buy his vote in secret as part of a
• 20:56
  Speaker 13: plan to kill his wife. Finally, the lawyer say, a
• 20:59
  Speaker 13: Ponscha owner will testify that he was contacted by the
• 21:02
  Speaker 13: police about a Croton watch pawned by an associate of
• 21:06
  Speaker 13: one of the Medina burglars on December thirty first, just
• 21:09
  Speaker 13: seven days after Lisey was reported missing. On the stand,
• 21:12
  Speaker 13: investigators testified they never located Lisey's Croton watch.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Well, there go the police lying again in the Scott
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Peterson case.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: It's all your fault. I hope you know it. I
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: hope you know that. By the time this is over,
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: they're going.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: To claim Burkini and Bueller did it. Okay, Bueller, let's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: throw this to you. What did you get up on
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the stand and lie about the Croton watch? On the
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: face of it, right there, I see that it's entirely consistent.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: They say that a pawn shop owner states police came
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to investigate the watch that was similar to Lacey's. Not Lacey's,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: but similar, and investigators on the stand state they never
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: located the watch.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: I don't see what's he inconsistent about that?
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't either, because my recall on that as
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: George Stower was the detective was working the burglary along
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: with several others, and not only were they able not
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: to find the Croton watch, they weren't able to show
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: that any of the property that was associated with the
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: Peterson's was ever recovered from the burglars. The burglar surrendered
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: property from several other burglaries besides the one that was
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: across the street at the Medina's house, and they did
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: it almost without being asked, because they were so afraid
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: that when they went to Stanslot County Jail that they'd
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: be attacked in there because of the victim in this case.
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: And so when it comes to the burglary, it was
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: thoroughly investigated by those guys, and they even polygrabed both
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: of the burglars, and they wanted to parade those results
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: around to the other inmates in the jail to show
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: that they didn't have anything to do with this. But
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: like al had said earlier in the broadcast, anybody who
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: was involved in this on the burglary side for five
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: hundred thousand dollars to return Lacey, they would have been talking.
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: There's no way that they would have kept a secret
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: if they were. Yeah, they were pollied, and they cleared.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: They did, and they immediately So glad you reported that
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that's always been a murky, question worthy burglar's polygraphed about
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: kidnapping Lacey.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: And let me throw this to brukkini Al. The defense
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: is now claiming, in a bid to.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Get Peterson free, that Lacy Peterson really knew about the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: secret boat that I contend was used to transport her
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: body to the San Francisco Bay and dump her because
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of handwritten notes in her handwriting about the cost of
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the anchors, they say, proof she knew all about the boat.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: Is that true?
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Well, there was a handwritten note on the nightstand. I
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: can't say who wrote it, but Scott told me that
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: the anchors were too expensive. That's why he made one.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: And I talked to the person that sold the boat,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: and Scott was the only one there. And the only
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: proof I have that Lacy knew anything about the boat
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: was the fact that her hair was found wrapped around
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: a pair of flyers inside the boat on when we
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: serve the search one on the twenty six.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: Twined in the needle.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Nos, plyers not just touching them like a touch transfer
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: of hair, but intertwined in them. Tammy Ballard, crime scene
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: consultant and Reconstructions, What does it mean to you that
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: her hair was intertwined in the needle nosed pliers. It
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: was not a transfer of a hair.
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: That tells me that this was some situation where her
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: hair is probably removed depending on what kind of root
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: material was present, And very much would expect that to
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: be something that is a good piece of evidence for
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: that on.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And all we hear about the burglary that happened across
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the street from Lacy's home. I've been to the neighborhood many,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: many times. It's a beautiful little neighborhood. But hear what
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Ghiagoes has to say about that.
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: The prosecution stood up an opening and said she was
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: dead on the twenty third. By the end of the
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: case they had changed that theory because it had been proven.
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: I think throughout the case that she was alive on
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: the twenty fourth. That you can have a mountain of
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: circumstantial evidence, but when you change the date dramatically from
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: one day to another on a circumstantial murder case, that
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: alone supplies reasonable doubt.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: That was from our friends.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Harvey Levin at TMZ two angry men with Mark Geragos.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Now this is a significance of the burglary, actually Christill
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Lazar joining me Emmy Award winning investigative reporter k cal CBS.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: What is a significance. How is the defense using.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: The burglary across the street to suggest Lacey was taken
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: in connection with the burglary?
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: What are they saying?
• 26:05
  Speaker 15: They're trying to come up with a different motive and
• 26:07
  Speaker 15: say that Lacey saw the burglars, interrupted a burglary or
• 26:11
  Speaker 15: question them, and then they essentially had to take her
• 26:14
  Speaker 15: and get rid of her because she was a witness.
• 26:16
  Speaker 15: But you know, as others have pointed out, there was
• 26:20
  Speaker 15: so many people looking for Lacy Peterson. There was a
• 26:22
  Speaker 15: lot of money that was offered as a reward. I
• 26:25
  Speaker 15: find it hard to believe, having sat through the trial,
• 26:28
  Speaker 15: that that is a plausible motive and that she wouldn't
• 26:31
  Speaker 15: have been found alive had it been burglars who took
• 26:35
  Speaker 15: her and not her own husband.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Specifically, the la Innes's Project is arguing this.
• 26:41
  Speaker 16: The attorneys also argue that the break in at the
• 26:44
  Speaker 16: Medina's across the street from the Petersons and subsequent arson
• 26:47
  Speaker 16: of the burglars van was not properly investigated as being
• 26:50
  Speaker 16: tied to Lacey's disappearance. They claimed the Medina burglary occurred
• 26:54
  Speaker 16: on Christmas Eve, not December twenty sixth as the jury heard.
• 26:57
  Speaker 16: They also claimed Modesto police intentionally destroyed recordings of the
• 27:01
  Speaker 16: burglars interviews with details on how and when the burglary
• 27:05
  Speaker 16: occurred to hide that fact.
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the La Innocence Project insisting Scott Peterson
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: is innocent, making many four fetched claims and here's another one.
• 27:28
  Speaker 17: On the day Scott was convicted, after the ninth day
• 27:32
  Speaker 17: of deliberation, after removing three of the jurors, the prosecution
• 27:36
  Speaker 17: handed us a report from the Chino prison with a
• 27:41
  Speaker 17: lieutenant who had overheard a prisoner talking to his relative
• 27:46
  Speaker 17: talking about the burglary and talking about Lacey, and the
• 27:49
  Speaker 17: brother of the relative telling.
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: Him to shut up.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: At prison guard overheard Lacey's name on one of the
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: burglar's phone calls. The prison guard says the burglars started
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: to discuss Lacey seeing and confront them, but the person
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: on the line told him to stop talking. The lawyers
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: claim the eyewitness account is exculpatory because it shows Lacey
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: was still alive after the Medina's left home around ten
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: thirty am.
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: Yeah, there was a virtuey costas people from home, a
• 28:15
  Speaker 14: lot of people, and I believe that Lacy went over there.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: It's to see what was going on. Okay, you were
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: just hearing our friends at Two Angry Men podcast, Harvey
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: eleven and Mark Girigos and Peacock's face to face with
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson hold on straight to al BRAKINI So the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: state hands the defense a document that says a lieutenant
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: within the jail overhears an inmate speaking to a relative.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: They hear Lacey's name come up, and then somebody says
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: stop talking.
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: Stop talking. What if anything does that prove Lacy as
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: it relates to the burglary. That's it.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Well, that was pretty well investigated after we found out
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: about it. I mean, they went down and interviewed that lieutenant.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: He couldn't find the tapes, couldn't find the log where
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: there was any names, and eventually he recanted, and that
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: came up even from the defense attorney said that he
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: recanted all that. I don't know if he said it
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: for money or if he said it for reward, but
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: he recanted. There's no tape, there's no log where anybody
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: showed where you have to log in that somebody's making
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: a phone call or he's on the phone. And so
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I don't think that holds any water. Does any good
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: for Scott Peterson?
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: Do Jory Crassen joining me?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Renowned psychologists, faculty Saint Leo University, author of operations, Doctor Jory,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. This is excruciating to
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Lacey's family. Sharon 's husband, Grant Sky Ron Grants Sky
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: has passed away. Now she's all alone, she has her
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: son still alive. This reopens the wounds again. I mean
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: it gets your RS investigators upset to hear these wild claims.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: But what does it do to Lacy's family?
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: You know, being a victim yourself to violence, experiencing it,
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: it retraumatizes and it takes you right back to that
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: very moment. Okay, even though it's been twenty years, rest
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: assured myself. Also being a victim of violence resulting in death,
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: you relive that moment. It takes your way back to
• 30:46
  Speaker 10: it retraumatizes you, It disrupts your sleep. Then you start
• 30:51
  Speaker 10: to build like you know what is what if he
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: does get a new trial, what if he does do this, this,
• 30:58
  Speaker 10: this all that starts to build out, And that's that's
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: very difficult to deal with. And you know, it's just
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: the way our system is built, you know, where he
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: can challenge these things. But the victims once again are
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: being revictimized and being retraumatized by this whole new episode
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: that's developing.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And how can one strip of a duck tape demand
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson be released.
• 31:27
  Speaker 18: Peterson's new defense says multiple witnesses tie the orange van
• 31:30
  Speaker 18: found burned near the Modesto airport to the burglary at
• 31:33
  Speaker 18: the Medinas's home, and the stained mattress in the back
• 31:36
  Speaker 18: should have been tested more thoroughly after presumptively testing positive
• 31:40
  Speaker 18: for blood while testing of a small sample only revealed
• 31:43
  Speaker 18: a male profile. The Innocence Project argues the entire mattress
• 31:48
  Speaker 18: should have been tested, despite a judge disagreeing with them
• 31:51
  Speaker 18: on the same point. Last year, this was brought up.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: To the judge, Christine Lazarge winning US from KCLCBSLA. The
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: judge said, Okay, the mattress has already been tested.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: That's mail DNA.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: What the defense is claiming is that this van, this
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: orange van that was burned up shortly after Lacey went missing,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: shortly after the burglary, there it is is somehow connected
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to the burglary. They've extrapolated that this must be connected.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: There was a burned out mattress in the back of
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: it that was tested. It showed mail DNA. But there
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: was a piece of duct tape found stuck to Lacey's leg.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: All right, The defense is now arguing.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: The mattress in the back of the van was not
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: tested enough and they want more testing on that. Why
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: do they want the duct tape found on Lacey's leg tested?
• 32:49
  Speaker 15: Well, look, they're looking for other DNA evidence. They're looking
• 32:53
  Speaker 15: for a way to link her murder to someone else,
• 32:56
  Speaker 15: to the burglar's. To me, again, as someone who sat
• 33:01
  Speaker 15: through the trial, it feels like they're grasping for straws.
• 33:05
  Speaker 15: But that's what they're doing right now. I will say
• 33:07
  Speaker 15: here in Los Angeles, in this newsroom, we were all
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: very surprised when the La Innocence Project took up this case.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Joscott Morgan, What could they possibly want with the piece
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: of duct tape that was on Lacy's leg.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: After all that time in the water.
• 33:23
  Speaker 12: Well. One of the things that we're looking for what
• 33:25
  Speaker 12: to refer to as plastic prints, that is in the
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: adhesive on the tape itself, if it's protected in any way,
• 33:33
  Speaker 12: say that part that's adherent to her leg, Did anybody
• 33:36
  Speaker 12: touch the adherent side with their bare hand, You can
• 33:40
  Speaker 12: get a print off that. They would also want to
• 33:43
  Speaker 12: look for any kind of hair deposition, because it can
• 33:45
  Speaker 12: catch hair at any moment in tom tape. Can We've
• 33:49
  Speaker 12: all experienced that over the years, and certainly if if
• 33:53
  Speaker 12: it was like torn, if you grab it with your teeth,
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: which you know I've done over the years, tear the tape,
• 34:01
  Speaker 12: you can do a deposition of saliva on there. So
• 34:04
  Speaker 12: those are the things that I guess in a perfect
• 34:06
  Speaker 12: world they'd be hoping for. But we're talking about a
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: body that was in San Francisco Bay, Nancy, that's a
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: very harsh environment. I don't know what they would mean nasty, Well, yeah,
• 34:19
  Speaker 12: I mean, and I'm a fisherman, and there's all kinds
• 34:21
  Speaker 12: of stuff that collects on all types of items out here.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Now, there's another issue related to this, Troyce s Layton
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: joining me renowned to la criminal defense attorney troy it
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: was months ago that the judge ordered further DNA testing
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: on that piece of duct tape attached to Lacey's leg.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: I think she was still wearing pants attached to that.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: And don't you know, Troyce Layton, the judge said, you
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: got forty five days to complete the testing it needed
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: to be testing. That was forty five days from her
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: July twenty fourth ruling. Don't you know if that duct
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: tape had revealed anything that exonerated Scott Peterson, they would
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: have been running back and forth in front of the
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: courthouse with it waving it he's innocent.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: But we haven't heard a word.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: One of the first times gear Ages has shut his
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: pie hole ever. Don't you know if that had come
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: back to exonerate Peterson, we'd all be hearing about it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: Well, we wouldn't, Nancy, because one of the part's important
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: parts about the judge's order, where she laid out very
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: specifically how this private company is to conduct the testing.
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: She said that any results are to be returned to
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: the court under seal, which means that nobody's allowed to
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: talk about it, nobody's allowed to see it, nobody's allowed
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: to know about it except the court, so there wouldn't
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: be waving it around in front of the courthouse and
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: no one would be allowed to talk about it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 14: You can and dessemble it for me that you had
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: lost your wives and now also in your wife's missus.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: Alive, where she's alive media.
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: I've been telling everyone that I had come to through disaparent.
• 36:13
  Speaker 19: I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two.
• 36:18
  Speaker 19: I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried.
• 36:22
  Speaker 19: Scott told me he was not married. We did have
• 36:26
  Speaker 19: a romantic relationship. When I discovered he was involved in
• 36:31
  Speaker 19: the disappear of the Lacy Peterson disappearance of the case,
• 36:35
  Speaker 19: I immediately contacted the Modesto police.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: Department amberfer I had no idea Peterson was married.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Hey, Troy Slayton, will you listen to that where she said, uh,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: well she's alive and he completely ignored that, didn't answer that.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: He's still leading on his mistress. He's still here's another
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: technical legal phrase, up wants to get a her pants.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Still his wife is missing, and he is still calling
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Amber Fry trying to get with her.
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: Well that recording, Nancy was at the behest of the
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: police department. She became an agent of the government by
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: conducting uh surveillance and surreptitious recordings of Peterson.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: And so yes, have you ever never.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: Have you never?
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: Have you ever known someone to lie in order to
• 37:36
  Speaker 11: have sex? Oh? My goodness? Should that be crazy to everybody?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Actually that I agree with. But not while your
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: wife an unborn baby are missing. No, I haven't just Peterson.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: You know what, Let's put the icing on the cake.
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: Listen ever.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Ever, ever hear me?
• 38:03
  Speaker 17: Dear there there.
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: Ever?
• 38:12
  Speaker 17: Hey, happy their.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Going to thank you?
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: Are right there?
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Yes, I wish you could give me.
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: I'm on the eye.
• 38:24
  Speaker 19: I think that you're there.
• 38:26
  Speaker 17: I'm my year, the I book, our New Year's unreal. God,
• 38:31
  Speaker 17: it's huge.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the crowd is huge at your wife's vigil. The
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: crowd is huge.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: There you hear Troy Slayton, Scott Pearson. I remember she
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: goes missing December twenty four. This is New Year's Eve,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: December thirty one, midnight, and he is calling from Lacey's vigil,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: calling his mistress, pretending he's ringing the New year in Paris.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Now you seem to argue that Scott Peterson's intent was
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: not in because police were recording it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: What does their recording have to do with what's going
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: on in his pants.
• 39:16
  Speaker 11: What I'm saying is a man is lying in order
• 39:20
  Speaker 11: to try and have sex with this woman. That's what
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: he's doing. It's very simple, it's very I'm.
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: Going to stop there to like.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: To Mike Bell Mascieri, Mike, you're the Gerrard, You're our
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: number four.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: I'm most then, and I understand what Troy is saying.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: But you know, even if we were to remove the
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: fact that he was probably one of the greatest lion
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: studs in the world and his and his motivation was
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: to have sex with Amber, there's so much more to
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: the story. And and you know, again it is a
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: simple thing. You have to judge based on the entire
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: story and not just part of it. Was Scott Peterson
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: it you know, there are a chain of events. And
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Garago spoke about behavior. Well, yeah, you know, I don't
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: care what the crime is, I don't care what the
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: trial's about. It will always come down to behavior and
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: what is the norm or what we expect from people. Now,
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: you take that and and and don't necessarily bias your
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: opinion on some things but take a look at the
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: entire story, the entire event from yes, I was hoping
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: for infertility, I didn't want children is what he was saying,
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: uh to you know, is his affair with Amber Fry,
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: his his behavior. You know, we was just indicated when
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: he said he was in Paris and his wife is missing.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: What is reasonable? You know, when he's in the room
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: being questioned by I believe it was you Al BROKINI
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  Speaker 4: and his phone rings and he picks it up. It's
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: his sister in law and he very casually talks to her.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: And for the normal human being, if normal is really
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: something that exists, would you not be a little concerned about, Hey.
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: What's going on?
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  Speaker 10: Is you know she?
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  Speaker 12: Would you?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 4: He just he just kind of blows it off and
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: very casual about everything. You know, it just makes no sense.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: And if it doesn't make sense, there's gotta be more.
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: To the to the issue.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: You are hearing Mike Abela Sieri speaking during number four
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: ndy Scott Peterson trial.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it ain't over yet. Nancy Grace signing
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  Speaker 10: Off, good night,