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Ep. 648: MeatEater Radio Live! Hunting for a Mount, Show and Tell, and an Unlucky Buck · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us Now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain
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  Speaker 2: Time on January ninth, and we'd live for Meat Eater
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  Speaker 2: HQ and Bosman Montana. I'm your host, Spencer new Art,
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  Speaker 2: joined today by Brodie Henderson and Giannis Boutellis. On today's show,
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  Speaker 2: we'll interview Matt Daniels about a seven year quest to
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  Speaker 2: track down the mount of his dad's record book Deer.
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  Speaker 2: Then we've got show and tell, followed by a hot
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  Speaker 2: tip off, and finally we'll talk to Bend Attamanti about
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  Speaker 2: an el khunt where four arrows wind up in the
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  Speaker 2: same bowl, forty four of them. We're gonna get to
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing at the end. It's a wild, over
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  Speaker 2: the counter experience that I think few have had, but
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  Speaker 2: most have probably had nightmares about how'd you boys spend
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  Speaker 2: Christmas break.
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  Speaker 1: Eating, drinking, hanging out with fun people, getting outside, living
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  Speaker 1: the life.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best.
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  Speaker 2: You probably describe yourself that way anytime, not just Christmas
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  Speaker 2: break right.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pretty lucky, pretty fortunate, as I
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  Speaker 1: think everybody in this room should feel the same way.
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  Speaker 2: Good on you, Yanni. How about you, bro? Do you
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  Speaker 2: doing anything exciting when coming to the office.
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  Speaker 3: They've got a lot of bird hunting in, which is nice.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of a bittersweet time of year because it's
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  Speaker 3: like the end of hunting season, at least for those
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  Speaker 3: of us that aren't Yiannis that just get to hunt
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  Speaker 3: all your life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the time of year when I get
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  Speaker 2: very motivated about finding my next permission, about finding my
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  Speaker 2: next yh Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm just thirsty for more of that,
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  Speaker 2: and I can't do it.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be Turkey season before you know it.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Yanny. You just had a successful haunt though. Yesterday, as
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  Speaker 2: we sit here talking about not haunting anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I did mingus my buddy Jake and piping Helen. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I actually went up one king and walk this track
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  Speaker 1: for a half a mile. I keep looking at it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, so, bitch, it's got to be a fox.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not seeing the claws, which would tell
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  Speaker 1: me it's a fox or a coyo, you know. But
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, I can't catch a leading toe
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  Speaker 1: to really tell me that it's a bobcat. I keep
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  Speaker 1: looking at it.
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  Speaker 2: Let it narrow down to those three things.
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  Speaker 1: Though I was thinking fox or bobcat because it was
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  Speaker 1: pretty small.
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  Speaker 3: It is a deep snow, making it like hard to
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  Speaker 3: tell you.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was on the trail, and sometimes you know
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  Speaker 1: when you're out not under trees. It was a couple
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  Speaker 1: of inches, but just under the trees, it might have
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  Speaker 1: been just a skiff. So I got all versions of
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  Speaker 1: this track because I walked. He was on the trail
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  Speaker 1: for half a mile. Turns out it was a she
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  Speaker 1: and uh. Luckily I took a picture and sent it
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  Speaker 1: to Jake because we hadn't hooked up yet, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think fox? You know, the picture doesn't
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  Speaker 1: go through and he keeps texting me back I didn't
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  Speaker 1: get the picture. I didn't get the picture. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a fox. So I like, check another
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  Speaker 1: canyon and then I drive to meet him and a
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  Speaker 1: separate canyon. Right when I get there, the picture finally
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  Speaker 1: goes through and he's like, dude, bobcat, let's go back
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  Speaker 1: to there. I'm like, all right, let's go.
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  Speaker 3: Do they have the same kind of gate Fox and Bobcat?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's more like a lion. You know where they
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  Speaker 1: direct registered right where they place each pad in the
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  Speaker 1: next pad.
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  Speaker 2: Are there are there any other clues besides a track
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  Speaker 2: that you could come across, Like what if you found
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  Speaker 2: some crap? Would that give you any clues?
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  Speaker 4: Or no? Mmm, not me?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe some other expert. Yeah, but no, it's all
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  Speaker 1: in the track and the gate and the maybe the yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the length of the gate, the stride. So you guys
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  Speaker 1: go back, but yeah, we go back there and cut
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  Speaker 1: the dogs loose on it and they run it for
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, not far four hundred yards and they
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  Speaker 1: actually went back towards the truck and they were basically
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  Speaker 1: three hundred yards above the above the truck, and they
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  Speaker 1: treated it all together, which I explained in the post yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: I put on the Instagram that Mingus has hasn't caught
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  Speaker 1: a bobcat yet on his own, and it's a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: They're a lot harder to catch than a lion, much
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  Speaker 1: much harder. I can explain if you like. But so
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  Speaker 1: that hasn't happened yet. Last time we caught a bobcat
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  Speaker 1: it was again with Jake and these same dogs, and
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  Speaker 1: I've talked about this before they're superstars. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: like when you go out with them, you're getting to play,
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  Speaker 1: you know, pickup ball on your team. You've got Lebron
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  Speaker 1: and MJ. And last time Mingus was five to ten
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  Speaker 1: minutes late getting to the tree. In a way, it
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  Speaker 1: was good because he instead of me tooing and hearing
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  Speaker 1: the dogs barking, treed and picking up his head and
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  Speaker 1: running over there and going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to find a better term for that,
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  Speaker 2: and me too carry on.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Though?
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  Speaker 2: Huh?
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  Speaker 1: He keeps to the track and works the track all
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  Speaker 1: the way to the tree and then goes all right, yeah, sweet,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here too. Well, yesterday they according to the GPS,
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  Speaker 1: they all got there together. They all treed together. And
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  Speaker 1: so I feel like I could give Mingus credit for
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  Speaker 1: like a legit bobcat catch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's officially award that one to Mingus. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: then you shot it.
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  Speaker 1: I shot it about a fifteen pound female beautiful and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jake's gonna come over night help me tube skin it.
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  Speaker 2: How often are you passing on bobcats when you treat one? Never?
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  Speaker 1: I we haven't treed one now, Jake, who hunts a
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  Speaker 1: lot more than I do. I don't know how many
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  Speaker 1: he's treed. He said he's only killed one this winter,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm guessing he's probably treed ten others and he's
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  Speaker 1: let him all go because they were probably either females
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  Speaker 1: or too small. He's looking to kill mature male.
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  Speaker 2: And Phil has now pulled up the video, oh, of
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  Speaker 2: the end of the hunt.
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  Speaker 1: No, this is the mountain lion hunt from the week prior. Okay, sorry, honest, No,
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  Speaker 1: that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Do you ever get a bobcat or anything up a
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  Speaker 2: tree and you just can't find it up there because
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  Speaker 2: it's getting from view.
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  Speaker 1: Funny you say that, especially with bobcats. And I found
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  Speaker 1: that out with like three weeks ago when my wife
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  Speaker 1: and I went we treed a mountain lion, a female
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  Speaker 1: in her kitten. The kitten was a couple hundred yards
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  Speaker 1: away in a different tree. And the thing they have,
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  Speaker 1: it's a problem with mingus because he trees him on
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  Speaker 1: the scent. Right. He's like, I know they went to
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  Speaker 1: this tree, track goes up this tree, but I can't
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  Speaker 1: see him. He trees hard for about an hour just
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  Speaker 1: on that scent, ok. And then when he can't find it,
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  Speaker 1: he starts to get lose confidence and he wants to
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  Speaker 1: be treeing or wants to be running a track or something,
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  Speaker 1: so he starts running the track back out and searching
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  Speaker 1: coming back to the track. So when we went to
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  Speaker 1: the kittens tree, I'm walking up to it, going, man,
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  Speaker 1: he slick treed me, which is the term meaning that
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  Speaker 1: your dog is barking treed, but there's nothing in it.
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  Speaker 1: I had to get all the way around the tree
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  Speaker 1: and get eye level with that kitten until I could
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  Speaker 1: find it. But I was able to do that and
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  Speaker 1: only be fifteen feet from it. This bobcat yesterday. It
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  Speaker 1: took Jake and I walking around in circles for probably
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  Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty minutes until we finally spotted it.
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  Speaker 2: Did the dog see it the whole time?
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  Speaker 1: They never saw it, and so they kind of had
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  Speaker 1: done before we got there. They had left the tree,
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  Speaker 1: tried to thinking that there's must be a different out,
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  Speaker 1: so they ran back on the same trail, kind of
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  Speaker 1: searched around for a little bit one hundred yards away
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  Speaker 1: and then said nope, it's this way, and they came
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  Speaker 1: back to the tree. Eventually, what happens if they there
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  Speaker 1: long enough and if you have the right wind, scent
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  Speaker 1: thermal conditions, the scent from that animal will drop down
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  Speaker 1: and he's thirty yards up there. I mean, he's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: ninety feet up in a tree way up there. But
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  Speaker 1: that scent drops down and all of a sudden it
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  Speaker 1: hits them. So they'll be kind of searching around on
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  Speaker 1: the ground a little bit like, yeah, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, and then all son, that centle hit him,
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  Speaker 1: and all three of them boo boo boom, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just blow up on it. And then they'll tree hard
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  Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes. But if again, if this, if the
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  Speaker 1: wind changes a little bit, they don't. But yeah I did,
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  Speaker 1: and it was snowing, and I realized too the scope
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  Speaker 1: I had it it was it wouldn't focus close enough,
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  Speaker 1: like it wasn't a rim fire scope, and so I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get the parallax to focus at like thirty yards.
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  Speaker 1: So that made it a little bit difficult. But ended
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  Speaker 1: up with a good shot and one shot killed it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, working your way up to being not mj or
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  Speaker 2: Lebron but nkole Jokic.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe mingus Yeah, yeah, he's doing good.
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  Speaker 2: Someday soon, all right, joining us on the line. First
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  Speaker 2: is Matt Daniels, who went on a seventy year quest
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  Speaker 2: to track down the amount of his dad's record book
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  Speaker 2: White Tail. Matt, Welcome to the show. Hell, go on,
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  Speaker 2: guys up, Matt. First thing, tell us about your dad
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  Speaker 2: killing this deer?
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  Speaker 5: Well, well, so my dad started bohunting back in the
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  Speaker 5: early nineties and never was much of a trophy hunter,
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  Speaker 5: didn't really care about the size of the antlers provide
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  Speaker 5: for the family. And he happened to go into a
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  Speaker 5: property one day and climbed up in a cedar tree,
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  Speaker 5: was just sitting on a ceedar limb with his bow
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  Speaker 5: in his lap, and that thing came walking through.
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing. And this this happened in what nineteen ninety five? Correct?
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  Speaker 5: Ninety correct?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So your dad he recognizes this as a big buck,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe doesn't understand the full scope of what just happened.
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  Speaker 2: So he does get the deer mounted, right, Yeah, he did,
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  Speaker 2: he got that originally. Okay, So he has it mounted,
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  Speaker 2: kills it in nineteen ninety five, and then tell us
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  Speaker 2: what happens in two thousand.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so somewhere in two thousand, just still before I
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  Speaker 5: was born, he ended up selling it, selling them out
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  Speaker 5: to a collector.
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  Speaker 2: And then I before you were born, At what point
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  Speaker 2: do you find out that this deer ever existed and
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  Speaker 2: that your dad killed this thing?
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  Speaker 5: I think it was twenty seventeen. He pulled a polaroid
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  Speaker 5: picture out of his dresser door and was showing it
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  Speaker 5: to me, and that was the first time I'd ever
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  Speaker 5: seen any pictures of it. And so there I started
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  Speaker 5: asking him, like, man, what did I think score? Because
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  Speaker 5: you can tell from the picture that's just a giant deer.
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  Speaker 5: And he had never had it scored until the person
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  Speaker 5: that he sold it to came and scored it, and
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  Speaker 5: he remembered it being two hundred inches neck and I
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  Speaker 5: was like, there's no way, like that's that's a state
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  Speaker 5: record if that's the case, you know. So I took
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  Speaker 5: that picture, posted it on a Facebook and a Kansas
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  Speaker 5: hunting a fishing group, just asking, you know, does anybody
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  Speaker 5: know about this deer? And within twenty four hours I
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  Speaker 5: was in contact with the person who owned it.
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  Speaker 2: And so twenty four hours later you're talking to the
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  Speaker 2: current owner of the mount What happened then?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So from there I reached out to him, sent
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  Speaker 5: him a copy of that picture to prove that it
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  Speaker 5: was the same year. And from there we actually mailed
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  Speaker 5: handwritten letters back and forth for a little while, kind
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  Speaker 5: of discussing it if you would ever think about selling it,
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  Speaker 5: And he finally got back with me on that and
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  Speaker 5: told me he'd sell it back to us, but the
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  Speaker 5: price was right at forty thousand.
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  Speaker 2: And do you know how he acquired the buck? What
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  Speaker 2: was the chain of events that wound up with this
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  Speaker 2: antler collector? I think he was in Maine, right. How
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  Speaker 2: did you wind up that he ever had this thing?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so, as far as I know it, it had
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  Speaker 5: been sold over the years a couple of different times,
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  Speaker 5: and he ended up buying it from another collector.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so he offers to sell it to you for
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  Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars. When he said forty thousand dollars, did
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  Speaker 2: you expect that to be the price? And did he
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  Speaker 2: sort of act like I'm doing you guys a favor
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  Speaker 2: by offering to sell it to you for forty thousand
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  Speaker 2: or is that what he would have sold it to
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  Speaker 2: me or Yanni as well?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he made it seem like he was only
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  Speaker 5: going to sell it to us because he believed you know,
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  Speaker 5: it belonged to us since my dad was a person
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  Speaker 5: harvested it. But that price at that time, it was
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  Speaker 5: a heart shock.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I was only sixty years old at that time, so
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  Speaker 5: forty thousand dollars to me just sounded completely impossible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you do manage to scrape a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of money together.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So I kind of kept everybody up to date on
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  Speaker 5: the post on Facebook because there was a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people following along with the story, and a lot of
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  Speaker 5: guys were telling me, you know, they were willing to
• 12:41
  Speaker 5: throw in twenty bucks, fifty bucks, and they're like, why
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  Speaker 5: don't you start to GoFundMe or something? And I was like,
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  Speaker 5: there ain't no way, there's no point. But they talked
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  Speaker 5: me into doing it, and I ended up raising about
• 12:50
  Speaker 5: fifteen thousand dollars towards.
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  Speaker 2: It till fifteen thousand. Do you make a fifteen thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars offer at that point?
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean the guy at the time that owned it,
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  Speaker 5: he told me he wasn't gonna budget on that price.
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  Speaker 5: So after a month or so of the gofund me
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  Speaker 5: being up and everything kind of went stale, I came
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  Speaker 5: to the real estate that that price wasn't gonna work out.
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  Speaker 2: For me, Okay, And at that point, Matt, it gets
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  Speaker 2: sold a second time while you're tracking this year, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So when I reached back out to the current owner
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  Speaker 5: at that time and told him, you know, that I
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  Speaker 5: wasn't gonna be able to come up with the money,
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  Speaker 5: he went ahead and sold it to another collector.
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  Speaker 2: And what was it like dealing with that collector because
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  Speaker 2: you sort of went through the same process again of
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  Speaker 2: trying to buy it or trying to get a replica, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So I reached out to the new owner that just
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  Speaker 5: purchased it, and he's a pretty well known tailor collector iiO,
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  Speaker 5: and he didn't really want to work with me too much.
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  Speaker 5: He confirmed that he did own it, sent me a
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  Speaker 5: bunch of current pictures of it, which it was just
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  Speaker 5: the skull cap at that time, and then I talked
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: to him about getting a replica. He kind of said
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: it wasn't going to be a possibility. And I kind
• 14:09
  Speaker 5: of messaged him back and forth for a couple of years,
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  Speaker 5: and he didn't never really want to help out too much.
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  Speaker 2: So it feels like, again Matt has hit a dead end,
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  Speaker 2: and you guys, should watch this episode of Media Radio
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  Speaker 2: on YouTube because here's a spoiler. We can see the
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  Speaker 2: mount in the background of Matt. So this antler collector
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  Speaker 2: in Ohio now has it, but not for long and
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  Speaker 2: it gets sold a third time during your pursuit.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: So after about two or three years of talking to
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  Speaker 5: this he finally messaged me back one day and pretty
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: much that I don't own any more. Bass Pro has it.
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  Speaker 5: So from there I'm thinking, well, maybe I'll at least
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: be able to see it every back in my life
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  Speaker 5: at this time, So I started to try to reach
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: out to bass Pro and that was a that was
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  Speaker 5: a task on it.
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  Speaker 2: And so when bass Pro has it, do you know
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  Speaker 2: what they were doing with it at that point? Like
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  Speaker 2: where were they displaying it?
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  Speaker 5: So I was under I was told it was supposed
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  Speaker 5: to be on display at the Wonders of Wildlife at
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  Speaker 5: their Springfield, Missouri headquarters, and I called that location. They
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: said they couldn't really release any information of what antlers
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  Speaker 5: were on display there. So I had a couple buddies
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  Speaker 5: that ended up going there and they kind of facetimed
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  Speaker 5: me through the whole thing and it was not on display.
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  Speaker 5: This was probably about six months after I was told
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  Speaker 5: that it was supposed to be. So at this point,
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: I'm like, does bass Pro even actually have this rack?
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  Speaker 5: You know, is a guy just lying to me whatnot?
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: How did how did you end up even tracking down
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: the right person to talk to at bass Pro?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: So pretty much it was another You're like year and
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  Speaker 5: a half or so calling location emails, the voicemails, and
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  Speaker 5: I'd never got a response back. That pretty much just
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  Speaker 5: spent you know, a few minutes on a you know,
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  Speaker 5: every month, just calling and leaving a voicemail, sending another email,
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  Speaker 5: and then just randomly this September, I got an email
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  Speaker 5: back and I honestly thought it was a scam email,
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  Speaker 5: but there was an email from a person with bas
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  Speaker 5: Pro regarding information on this.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Yer Okay, and it must have been good news because
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: again this mount is sitting right behind you. What did
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: they have to say?
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: They so.
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: At first they just confirmed that they did own it,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: and uh that the antlers were not on display and
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: the real rack not planned to be on display. I
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: don't really know find that, but they told me I
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: was able to get a replica and I would have
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: to work with handlers by Klaus. So they got me
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: in contact with that company and then from there I
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: just worked with them on getting a replica made.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: And shortly thereafter the thing showed up at your front door.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: Yep. Yeah, they definitely worked with me. I thank The
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: average time for for the replicas around three months to
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: four months, and I had it at my door and
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: find it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, So five weeks later he gets the rack. What
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: is the hide on the deer? You've you've obviously found
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: some other skin to wrap around this mount? What is that?
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: So once I found out that I was going to
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: get get a replica maid when when I found out
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: when I was going to get it? Now I was
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: on a mission for the mount, and uh, I thought
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: it would be really cool to use a kate from
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: a deer that I harvested on my dad's deer, just
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: sentimental reasons. So now I was out on a mission
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: to harvest a good mature deer to get a kate
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: for it, and that's what I did.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: There you go, well, it looks magnificent. Now, at some
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: point along the way, Matt, this deer gets entered in
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: the Boone and Crockett record books.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: Right, yep, yep, it's entered as pass pro as the owner,
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: and my dad Albert.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Tell us about the details of this buck, some of
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the measurements that would make a white tail hunter's jaw drop.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean it's so there's.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's uh, he is the perfect deer. He's the
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: type of deer that when a wildlife artist is like
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: drawing a scene that has a white tail bucking buck
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: in it, they always make a white tail buck that's
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: just too perfect and too big. And what they're modeling
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: that after you would think, is this dear that Matt's
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: dad killed.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even though when they draw them, I think they're
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: even maybe eighty percent smaller, twenty percent smaller. Sorry, they're
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: only eighty percent of that that joker that thinks amazing. Hey,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: is your dad told you that spot? Have you been
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to the spot where this deer was harvested?
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's actually only about fifteen miles from where he
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: still lives, but he's taken me out there. And at
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: the time of the hunt, it was a big cedar farm,
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: just thick seedars everywhere. It's all just real crop now, unfortunately, And.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: What's your dad's attitude been like throughout this seven year
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: quest of trying to track this thing down. Has he
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: been super interested or has he just been like totally disinterested.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, he thought it was cool.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: He never really cared that much about getting the replica
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: or getting the rack back. That he didn't even know
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: it was a state record or how significant of a
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: deer it was until I kind of started getting myself
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: into the story of it. But we surprised him with
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: it Christmas Eve, and he couldn't believe it. Man, he
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: was just blown away.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Can can you move your camera to show us some
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: of the details of this buck. We're going to get
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: a real good look at this thing's rack. My goodness,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: just perfect all around, enormous G two s and G
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: three's that at the same length. I imagine like the only
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: deductions on this thing were maybe on the brow tides,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's got so it grows scores to twelve and
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: three eight, So it's got about twelve inches of deductions
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: and a lot of it is the G five here, Okay,
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: So he's got like an inch and a half G
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: five on that side and this sides about five or
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: six inches.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Amazing deer. We're happy that you were able to track
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: this thing down and that your story had a happy ending.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: How did your fall go this year? Match? When I
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: talked to you yesterday trying to line up this interview,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you said you needed to wait a few hours before
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: you could call me because you were deer hunting.
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: I was just going out a dough last evening and
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: didn't end up getting one across the field, but didn't
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: up making a shot.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: All right, Matt, Well, congrats on tracking down that deer
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: and good luck with what's left your white tail season.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for joining us. Thanks Matt seven year quest.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I just met the rest of my life trying to
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: find that buck. If I was Matt, I'm glad that
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: it worked out for him.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: M Yeah, I'm glad he has that I was gonna
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask him and just didn't get around
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: to it. But how real are those replica antlers? Like,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: if you don't know that the replica antlers, will you
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: be fooled?
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Well? Were you not there when Dustin Huff brought in Yeah,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Moose his Bucks brought it to the live show in Cleveland.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I think it was Well, you have no idea that
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: you were looking at a replican I think they're so
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: good now that they would They would fool you even
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: if you knew you had a fifty percent chance of
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: guessing whether or not that thing was real or fake.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: But what if you just had like the skull capped
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: antlers and it was a and you're holding it, like,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: do they do the weight?
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I imagine it's it's got to be pretty dang similar.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I can't, I can.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know, on that sheep mount that John
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Hayes did for me, I mean you can't tell the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: weight and everything. I mean, it's spot on.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see that buck. It sounds like at
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the Wonders of Wildlife Museum from bass Pro. I don't
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: think we specifically touched on it there, but in one
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: of the articles that was written about Matt's story, bass
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Pro told Matt that the real antlers will never be
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: on display anywhere. They're always going to be hidden away
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: in some storage room. If you go and try to
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: look at that buck of Matt's dads, which is now
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: officially the Kansas state record for typical white tails, you're
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: always looking at a replica.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: That's sad.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: That is sad. I think so too. I'd just rather
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: not know at that point. Yeah, all right, moving on,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: our next segment is show and tell Mannie.
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: The show has step Manie, The show has Step Boom
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: many a show.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Step Spencer, Brata Rock.
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: What else did you inspect?
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: What? Another fine jingle from Let's start with you? What
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: did you.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Phil's jingles?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: For a few more minutes, bring to show the classroom.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Well, since we're on the theme of bobcats.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that is that is the theme.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Huh.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Yanni has a live Bobcat in the studio.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I've never I've never properly like done a post about
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: this this guy a lot of people. Maybe you can
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: watch the episode where Jake and I go and kill
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: this bobcat.
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: It's in Montana. Mingus was not in on the on
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the the catch, but it was such a specimen. Jake
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: said that I should definitely kill it and get it mounted.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: How heavy was that thing? Twenty five pounds?
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I was going to guess twenty eight on the nose
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: that's like upper end, that's beefy.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, monster. I think they get bigger in the Midwest,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: but what they don't have in the Midwest is a
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: belly like that. Yeah. If you can see that. But
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that that is what makes a high dollar bobcat is
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: when you have that big, wide white belly with those
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: beautiful black spots.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I've seen three bobcats in real life out in nature
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: while I was doing something else. They were all half
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: of this size. This this thing looks enormous to me.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Oh it's yeah. The one I killed yesterday was well
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: we guess it at fifteen pounds, so ten pounds less,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and it seemed like it was half the size. But yeah.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: John Hayes did the tax durmy. It's actually a pillow mount.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Clay was up there and did a little video on
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a kyo. John had. He he's doing a pillow mount
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of and I thought, man, it'd be great to do
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a pillow mount because it's it's hands on right, and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you can you can change its body positioning because it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: got in the old wire is working this thing around.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can totally just you know, my goodness,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: that's not doesn't look normal. He's making it do the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: y m c A. Now.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, most most taxidermy is looking don't touch, but not
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: this thing.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: No.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I figure even if if the kids that come over
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: to my house rub the hair off of this thing.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: It'll be, it'll be have done. It served its purpose,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you know, which is hopefully to get kids interested in
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: wildlife and podcasts.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Those pillow mounts are becoming more and more common.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can't do them. John says you can't
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: do them on animals much bigger than this. Yeah, it
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: just gets harder and harder. And he said that especially
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: for some reason, it's very difficult to get a cat
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: to look good in a pillow amount. It's much easier
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to do a canine for some reason, just because of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the body structure.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: What's that thing filled with to give it that like
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: pillowy sensation?
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: Do you know?
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly. I know it's gotten the old
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: wire running through is the skeleton, but I don't know
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: what the actual pillow stuffing is.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Almost like memory foam or something.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it bounces right back.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's satisfying.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: The thing I've always been impressed with with that one
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: is its face, its head, because it's just like so like.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, one of my favorite things to do. I'm
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: trying to position them so that folks can look right
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: into his eyes.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Do we go to a full camera just on on
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: them filled.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: We can't.
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: It's not going to make it any bigger though, but
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: I will.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Uh my one of my favorite things to do this.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: It used always sell on top of a bookshelf. Was
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: about eye level. It was cool up there. But now
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: what I do. My wife loves plants. There's a lot
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: of plants in the house.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Each had thing towards the camera to give it a
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: better view. This camera here, Yanni, keep going tell your story, but.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I will hide it. This is a hard multitask that
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you're asking about by Spencer.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Well, i'll fill in here for a second. You hit
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: it in the studio today. Yeah, I just caught a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: glance of it coming in through our window and you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: for half a second it startled.
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: It was it was curled up under the table when
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: I walked in and staring right at the door. And
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: I walked in and I my heart skipped a beat
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: for a second.
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: It was.
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: It was not fun.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll place it kind of conspicuously, you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: near under a plant, right, so only half of its
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: body showing, and you just so it looks like a
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: cat hiding and staring at you. We had a house
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: sitter while we were in Latvia, Oh, come by people
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: checking on chickens and getting eggs and whatnot. It startled
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: her so bad that she left the fridge door open
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and damn near killed my fridge because she just ran
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: out of the house. She didn't want anything to do
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: with this thing. But yeah, it's amazing, Like it gets
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: people every time. Like Phil just saw it underneath the table.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: Did she think it was real?
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: Real?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know what she thought, but she didn't want
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to it out.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I wrote an article a few years ago. It was
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: specific to deer taxidermy and shoulder mounts, and like, what
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: should you look for if you're visiting a taxi dream
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I start looking at a taxi dreamist work and you
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: want to be confident that they're good at their job.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: And they had mentioned a handful of things. The three
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: that stuck out to me were all regarding the face,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: and it was about the eyes, the nose, and the
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: ears and those three things on this pillow. Uh just
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: look fabulous.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's amazing.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: That's why it makes people's heart skip a beat when
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: they see the damn thing.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just are you getting yesterday's cat just tanned?
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just gonna tube skin it, yeah, and hang
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: it up somewhere in the house. And then when when
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Bobcat fur prices get real high, I'm gonna cash in.
• 28:43
  Speaker 11: That.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: That was a good item to bring in for show.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: And tell Brody, what do you got with you today?
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, Spencer, I'm gonna take you back to a time
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: when people didn't waste their time watching Yellowstone and squid
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Game and they read books.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Uh books. That is an enormous book.
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: Yeah, the Bobcats kind of in the way there. Yeah,
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: yes one.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Brody has two enormous tools with him today, stacked on
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: top of each other.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I inherited these from my dad.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: They got to be about ten inches tall.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Both of these were published in the mid sixties. This
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: is the New Hunters Encyclopedia. Oh wow, not new anymore.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: But I used to have the dust jacket for it,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: but it fell apart.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Have you read this thing?
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's why I brought him. Like when I
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: was a kid, I used to I spent countless hours
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: reading both of these. This one is McLean's standard fishing Encyclopedia,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: and it's like extensive, man. And the cool thing about
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: looking through these now is the stuff that has changed
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: immensely and the stuff that hasn't changed at all. It's
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: like because they have everything like inn here from like
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: guns and cartridges, you know, and a lot of that
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: stuff's like obsolete now. But yeah they're awesome.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: And the the fishing encyclopedia, that thing looks old, but
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: then you put it next to your hunting encyclopedia and
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: it makes it look new.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean maybe this one just
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: got read more from you know, mid sixties.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Well your data. I like how he labeled the inside
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: of the cover with his name and the and the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: year that he got it. Yeah, with an older.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: It's like a piece of tuppleware that you take the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: pot luck. Yeah, wanted to make sure when that thing
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: was making the rounds.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: These are sixty year old books and you can still
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: get them on Amazon. They're not that, they're not that,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: they're not thousand dollars collector items. You can still find them.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: So yeah, every now and then I pull them out,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: take a look.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: It's very cool. You can you can have your sons
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: through those someday.
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Hunting and fishing, Yeah, I mean.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: The older one is looked through both of them a
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: little bit, but it's you know, it's a challenge these days.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Got a lot of competition.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Mm hm, all right. Last thing for show and tell
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: is what I brought today. And this is one of
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: my favorite white tails that I have ever killed, because
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: he has a super unique rack. I killed this buck
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: on opening day of South Dakota's rifle season in twenty sixteen.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: It was the last like five minutes of shooting light.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: It was a blizzard, and this this buck was at
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: like one hundred yards just showed up on the edge
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: of this cornfield I was hunting, and I didn't have
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a great look at him. I was like, man, there
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: is something weird with this deer. And I had to
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: decide kind of right then if I was going to
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: shoot him or not. I could see one side. On
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: one side, he has just a perfect standard five point
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: antler that looks like millions of deer walking around North
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: America right now. That was the side I had a
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: very good look at, and I was trying to pick
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: up what was happening on his other side. And I
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: didn't have a great idea until after I had actually
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: shot him and got up to him, and then I
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: still didn't fully understand it until I had skinned him,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: just what was going on here? So one side the
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: standard five point side, the other side he has this
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: mutant little four point antler, and then underneath that he
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: has what I would consider probably be an extra main beam.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: It's a twelve inch dagger that comes out of the
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: same pedicle. And then he's got another four inch antler
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that is crawling across his skull towards his other normal antler.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: And this this thing is just super goofy. I've showed
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: it to some biologists about like, what do you think
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: happened here? And there's some common answers that they'll give you.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: One of them is that deer will have not just deer,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: but elk as well moose. They'll have abnormal antler growth
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: if they have an injury to one of their legs
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: because it stricts some blood flow or messes with their
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: blood vessels, and usually then the other antler opposite of
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: that leg injury will grow something funky. This year didn't
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: have anything like that. He was totally normal. I've shot
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: deer with limps and gates and injuries before. This buck
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: seemed quite healthy. So then the other answers that they'll
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: give you is they had an injury to their pedicle
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: down here, and that could have happened while he was
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: in Velvet that year, and this might have been just
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: a one time thing that he threw this rack, or
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: it could have been permanent damage. I'll never know. I
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: didn't have any history with this buck. But maybe my
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: favorite thing about this year is that I don't remember
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: when I scored him. I scored him after I'd skinn
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: him out. He was in the one forties. But this antler,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: it was like sixty some inches of antler when you're
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: scoring him. The other antler was only one inch difference.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: They almost scored the exactly.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, like, it's interesting, how on that?
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: What would be his side?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Uh huh?
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: You know you got you got these like dinky little
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: times here.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: It's like this care that one is kind of loose.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: He was fighting with this one.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that one, Like this thing suck the energy
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: out of this though totally, you know what I mean.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: And I asked a biologist. I was like, so, what
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: was he just destined to throw the same amount of
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: antlers no matter how it came out, with what shape?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: He was going to grow, and they said, no, that
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: was just a coincidence, more than likely. But this is
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: this is one of my favorite white tails that I've
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: ever killed.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Because did you know he existed before you saw him?
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Had no history with this deer. He had actually my
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: dad had a tag that year as well. He was
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: hunting about a half mile away, and this buck had
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: walked by him that evening and it was through some
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: timber and he didn't have a good look at it either.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: And he was with my brother who did not have
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: a tag, and and they both also had a conversation
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: like what was up with that deer? There was something
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: goofy going on? Or like was there another smaller buck
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: next to him that we just like couldn't get a
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: good look at his antlers? But this is one of
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: my favorite deer I've ever killed. All Right, that is
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: it for Show and Tell today. Let's take a break
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat?
• 35:11
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• 35:11
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• 35:14
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• 36:24
  Speaker 10: There sure thing we have a question from a woman
• 36:26
  Speaker 10: named Linda. She says to ask Spencer about his very
• 36:29
  Speaker 10: first hunt when he fell asleep. Oh that's Linda Newheart. Yeah, well,
• 36:34
  Speaker 10: what's this story?
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: That is my mom. I had a youth tag. I
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: was probably fourteen years old. I was on a deer hunt.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I think it was around Christmas. We had to go
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: to church that night, and I fell asleep while my
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: dad and I were sitting there. And I didn't know
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: this until later. I woke up because a raccoon was
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: walking by at some point. Didn't kill anything. But later
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: on my dad had told my mom, I don't think
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Spencer's going to be a hunt too.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Just don't.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Think this is for him. So that was my first
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: ever dear hunt. But but I proved him wrong.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 37:09
  Speaker 10: We have a question from Rashad, who is asking for
• 37:14
  Speaker 10: tips on identifying critter burrows. This is I don't know
• 37:16
  Speaker 10: if you guys have any of these. I thought I
• 37:18
  Speaker 10: asked you in his New Year's resolution is to catch
• 37:19
  Speaker 10: a red fox that'll settle for a coyote.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I don't have any tips. Anytime I look at someone like,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: oh that's a badger or a coyote or a fox,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I never I never have.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of them. I think we'll like
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: change it up, move into someone else's spot, like different speed.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I think tracks, Yeah, I find tracks at the mouth
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: to see who's using it.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, set up a camera right next to it, or
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: see the damn thing, because they go in and on
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: of them often. It's not like they go down there
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: and just, uh, you know, don't come back out for
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: three days.
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: This is a follow up to Brody's show in tel segment,
• 37:55
  Speaker 10: but Free Crank is asking what piece of literature should
• 37:59
  Speaker 10: a hunter or outdoorsmen own. You guys have some essential
• 38:02
  Speaker 10: reading tips, Brody, what do you.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Get those two right there? No, the whole met eater library.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: That's right there, you go.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: It's a good place to start.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the entire media library. I like to tell Steve
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: this sometimes because it makes him feel old. But I
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: read his first book when I was in college. So
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: that's that's like Scavenger's Guide.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: No, it was the well, it was the volume one
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: of the hunt Fish Small Small Game Volume one or
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Big Game. I can't remember, but.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Those two Big Game.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, literature is like there's literature and then there's
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: like guide books, you know, not that there. You know
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm with you. Like, if you want
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: some cool like Sand County Almanac, Yeah, that's definitely a
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: good place to start.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: What's his name cool adventure stories? Capstick? Yeah, the Robert
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Ruart spell.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Like Chapstick, which is weird, right, I'm thinking of something else?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert good. Yep, he's got some good.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Thomas mcguain has fish and stuff. He's even got a
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: couple of good hunting stories.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: What else you got?
• 39:21
  Speaker 10: Phil Jared is asking for some for a pertinent tip here.
• 39:26
  Speaker 10: He's at North Alabama, was expecting snow and ice starting
• 39:29
  Speaker 10: tomorrow around six am. He's asking if he should hunt
• 39:31
  Speaker 10: this evening or focus on a morning hunt after a
• 39:34
  Speaker 10: possible storm hunt both.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Uh So this this snow storm is coming at six am,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: should I hunt this evening or focus the morning hunt?
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of big buck killers would
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: tell you that white tails know when there is a
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: front coming, and they will act on that and they'll
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: be on their feet more. It would take you know,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of tracking and journaling to act actually prove
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: that out, But like I said, common white tail hunting
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: knowledge would say that they're really going to be moving
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: this evening because they also know what the forecast is.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I found that to be true. And then like during
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: this storm, sure you can go and find them, but
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: it can just be kind of miserable and they're not
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: on their feet. Doesn't seem like quite as much. They
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: can be huddled in some hole somewhere. But right when
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: it breaks, it's gonna be good.
• 40:25
  Speaker 10: Yeah, anything else, Phil, Yeah, we got a couple more,
• 40:28
  Speaker 10: but let's just do one for now. I guess this
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: is a question for Yannis or anybody, but Nate's asking
• 40:33
  Speaker 10: if there's a price difference if for a pillow mount.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the price difference is, but that
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: pillow amount, in my mind, was not cheap. It was
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: about fourteen hundred dollars. Okay, gotcha, which is.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Probably what you pay for like an elk shoulder mount
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've know, well we did. I've only shoulder mount
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: in one critter in my life, but I would know
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: because we had a trivia question one time about the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: average price of a shoulder mount. I think I looked
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: at like twenty different taxidermists all across the country, and
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact number, but it was like
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: six hundred eighty seven dollars something like that was the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: average price. So you get, you know, a couple big
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: old white tail shoulder mounted or one bobcat pillow. I
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: think I'd go with the bobcat pillow. Those are significantly more.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Rare, Yeah, and much easier to move around.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if you got a life size mount of
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: that thing, like in some habitat, it'd be at least
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: as much, but you wouldn't have it'd be like, yeah,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: you put it there, it's there forever.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: To answer one of the questions that we had about
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: books that outdoorsmen should read, this is something we've written
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: a lot about on the meat eater dot com. I'm
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: going to read you some headlines here. You can just
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: go to our website type in books and you're gonna
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: get all these results. Four books every white tail hunter
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: should read. Six more books every white tail hunter should read.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Those were Mark Kenyon, The Best Book for out The
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Best Books for outdoor Kids. Eight books every Hunter should Read.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: That was Steve.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Five must read fly fishing books. That was Mark Kenyon.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Brody a couple of times wrote what are your ask,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: meat Eater, what are your book Recommendations Part one and two.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: We had mark to another article, the Ultimate Recommended Reading
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: List for Hunters, So that'll answer your question much more
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: thorough than we just did.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: All right, Our next segment is Hot Tip Off.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: Turn your head.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: What's that face?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: That's salty? That's salty?
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Never did I think Chapel rowing would get a shout
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: out on the Meat Eater airwave. She is the one
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: who sings the song that Phil was doing a spoof off.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: H O T t O.
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: That's one of my more my more modern Phil.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: I feel like you've got the potential to really get
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: a weird Al Yankovic career going.
• 43:14
  Speaker 10: No, that's so kind of you, Brody. I think it
• 43:15
  Speaker 10: might be. Uh, you're giving me a lot more credit
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: than Oh.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think Brody's wrong at all. I think
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you're honestly You're like, I mean, we love having you here,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: but you're not easing your talent what you could?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Uh, you go home and you ask your daughters who
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Chapel Roane is and see what kind of answer you get.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Hot tip Off is where two members of the crew
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: go head to head with competing pieces of advice and
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: after we hear each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: In the chat, we're gonna listen to you guys as well.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: You let us know which hot tip you like.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Better.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Take it away, Phil Cory Culkins.
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: This is Corey Culkins, and I got another hot tip
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: for you. I just killed a bowl elk a couple
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: of days ago, and I got him hanging in my
• 44:05
  Speaker 9: garage along with my mule deer buck that shot a
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: couple of days before. That perfect temp by thirty eight
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: thirty nine degrees in my garage for hanging, had the
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: deer hanging for about five days, the elk for three days.
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: Probably work on the deer first. By the time I'm
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: done with my elk, it'll probably have hung for just
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: about a week.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: But there's a little bit of.
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: Hair residue left on this animal. It's so hard to
• 44:30
  Speaker 9: keep all the hair off those animals in the field,
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: so you could do this for hours and still not
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: get all the hair off. Some of it's kind of
• 44:43
  Speaker 9: stuck on there from the blood. But if you use
• 44:45
  Speaker 9: a torch, which I know a lot of people use
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: for waterfowl, getting some of those fine feathers off of
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: ducks and geese works really well for your red meat too,
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: So hit away with a little heat.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Job some of these.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: See up here's a front shoulder.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Hair.
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: What hair.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: You can hear it, says one.
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: I like that satisfying.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I can smell it too.
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: Save a little bit of knife work works so well.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Maggie Huddlo.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Boilcome do another hot tip off on media to Radio Live.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: I'm Maggie Hullo and I'm joined by Bill here. We
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: are talking about Bill's feet today and my tip Bill
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: is a dog. How you protect hairy dog's feet in
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: the winter. So Bill has got some grinch paws on
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: him and they collect eye spawls like son of a
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: gun in the lenner. So the best thing that I've found,
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: because booties aren't working, bi, what have you cut? And
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not doing that. I'm not putting them
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: in those silly little overall things either, not doing that
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: to my dog. Best thing I've found is this. It's
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: called musher secret and it's a salve you gotta put
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: on and you just make sure you get it up
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: in this part of their paw, in between their toes,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: in all those places where the ice sticks. And then
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: when they're out running around in the snow. They're not
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: stopping all the time to you know, chew eyeballs out
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: of their feet and you don't have to pick it
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: out of their feet, and it's better time for everyone.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: So hope that helps for somebody, and go on, get
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: your dog outside.
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: They need it and you do too, sick.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: See all right, we're about halfway through our walk. Tonight
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: is fifteen degrees and the timp is dropping. So let's
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: check out Bill's feet here. You're a big horse. You
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: can tell there's some snow in there, but it's not
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: ice ball, so it's not hurting him. He's not getting stores.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: It's pretty much just loose snow which sticks all over
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: him anyway, so he's a happy dog.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: We're now gonna discuss which tip we think is hotter
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: in the meantime chat get your votes in let us
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: know if you think you like Corey's hot tip about
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: torching venison hides, or if you like Maggie's hot tip
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: about treating dog feet better. I'll go first to me.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Corey's feels like it's kind of well known, Like I
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: feel like most folks who have a deer hanging in
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: their ground. Probably also know that you hit that thing
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: with a torch. Now, I'm not a hairy footed dog owner.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I'm an aspiring hairy footed dog owner. But I don't
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: know if that one is as common or not. But
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give my vote to Maggie.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: What do you guys think, I'm kind of in the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: same boat. I knew about both of them, so I
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: didn't learn too much today. But yeah, I don't know.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I'm lucky Mingus doesn't need any salve on his feet.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Your dog probably does.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: My dog does. And if you're hanging I love Corey,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: but if you're hanging meat in your garage for a week,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: you're gonna that meat is gonna develop a rind on it,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: a hard rind, and you're just gonna cut it off anyway.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: So like a few hairs on it not gonna hurt anything.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: But you're like not bringing it, you know, say you're
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: bringing into your kitchen. You're not bringing that mess into
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: your cutting board. Maybe I still do well if you
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: got hairs on there and they're rubbing off and everything else,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm always hitting it with a torch.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: It's probably the only reason I own a torch.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Actually, I never do tell you.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: What are you voting for? Brody Maggie? All right, it's
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: unanimous in here, Phil, What is the chance.
• 49:11
  Speaker 10: It's definitely leaning Maggie. I gotta okay. But also we
• 49:15
  Speaker 10: have a private comment from an upcoming guest who says,
• 49:18
  Speaker 10: torch the hair off the dog's feet. Boom, Okay, I
• 49:22
  Speaker 10: wouldn't do that.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Don't do that.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: That's a good viet And our last interview is with
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Ben Dedamanti. But before we talk to him, we're going
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: to show you a crazy video of Ben shooting a
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: bull elk at four yards. Play the clip, Phil. You
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: can see that video on this YouTube video, or you
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: can go to Ben's instagram at shed Crazy to watch it.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: But here's the plot twist. Ben was the second of
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: three guys to shoot that bull that day, and he's
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: here now to talk to us about that unusual hunt. Ben,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: Thanks.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Let's go on, hey, Ben, start from the very beginning
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: of that hunt on opening morning.
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, what's utah over the counter. It's a very
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: low success hunt, low density of elk on the unit,
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: and we had found some bulls kind of in a
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: deserty area that were by themselves, and we were super
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: hopeful that we'd have these bulls to ourselves, but it
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: didn't actually turn out that way. We went out to
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: the area to hunt these elk on opening morning and
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: we found the elk where they had been for basically
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: the whole summer. We were watching them from across the canyon,
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: and we sent one body in kind of on a
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: stalk to get in the path of the bulls so
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: that he'd be able to get an opportunity at him.
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: And as we're watching these bulls come up onto this
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: little plateau in the glass, I noticed another hunter there.
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: And we'd never see anybody out there during scouting, and
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: it's not an area where very many people hunt, so
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: I figured we'd maybe have it to ourselves. Anyway, we
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: kind of sat back and watched it unfold. I threw
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: the phone on the phone on the adapter on the
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: all and we started watching to see what would go down. Anyway,
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: the elk away it was headed up, walked right to
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: this other hunter just randomly happened to be on that path,
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: and we were able to kind of get it on video.
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: We saw him crouch down behind a rock and saw
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: the elk walk in front of him at about sixty
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: or seventy yards, and as the bull got kind of
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: pasted him, it started to turn broadside. Then it ended
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: up kind of facing away, and that's the moment he shot.
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: I think he thought it was going to go fully broadside,
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: and he ended up hitting the bowl through kind of
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: the arm meet low the shoulder above the knee, and
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: the arrow passed through that shoulder and was hanging out
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: by the fletchings. And so obviously we were kind of bombed,
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: you know, thinking, here's our bull that we're out here
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: to try to try to hunt today, and he's he's
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: now been shot by this other hunter.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: So we watched how far were you watching this unfold from?
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: Ben? We were probably fifteen hundred yards away on a
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: glassy knob, and so we had the spotters and everything
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: set up, and we were just kind of kicked back
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: and we knew our buddy was somewhere in that area,
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: but I didn't know exactly where. So we watched the bowl.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: It runs out maybe one hundred yards, stands around, puts
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: some weight on his leg, starts walking normally, and it
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: ends up traveling about another thousand or fifteen hundred yards
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: and dropping into a small canyon. So we kind of
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: sat back and thought, well, we'll just watch this play out,
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: see what happens. We watched the other hunter, and for
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: about four hours, he never moved to recover the bowl
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: at all and never went anywhere over in that direction,
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: and so we sent a friend over just to check
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: with him and see what.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: His plan was.
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: There was another bowl with it as well, and they
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: both kind of went down a little canyon together, and
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: you know, these are the only two elk in this hilario,
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: so we're thinking, like, we still kind of like to
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: hunt these elk. So we sent a friend to talk
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: to the first hunter, and he said he had some
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: people coming out to help him and they were going
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: to go recover this bowl. And we let him know
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: that it was hitting the leg and he thought that
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: he had hit it in the body cavity. So there
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: was kind of a little moment there where we didn't,
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: you know, a misunderstanding whatever. So during all this, the
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: two bowls kind of split up. The one bowl the
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: other bowl was this one horn five point I had
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: one antler, and we were totally interested in hunting that elk.
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: So we told the other hunter, we're going to go
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: in and try to kill the one horn bowl, and
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: I guess we'll see what happens. So where the video
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: kind of kicks in is me, I'm moving in to
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: shoot this one horn five point and as I walk
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: up to the edge of the cliff there, I realized
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: the six point that this other hunter is hit is
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: now right below me. He's moved back around underneath the
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: ledge and he's just posted up right there. By the
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: time I knew he was there, I mean, he was
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: already twenty yards or less away from me. So I
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: just went, well, here's a bowl he's obviousally hit. I'm
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: going to walk in there and I'm going to finish
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: the deal and then we'll work it out. So you
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: see me walk into the edge there. The wind is
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: just absolutely ripping up out of that canyon. I draw
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: a walk off shoot that bowl, and my fletching's actually
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: kind of contacted the rock and hit the bowl in
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: the shoulder, but it penetrated through the shoulder. The bowl
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: spins and the arrow kind of backs out and then
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: it runs down the canyon, and so I'm kind of hectic.
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: I'm like oh, I need a follow up shot for
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: sure on the celt and he runs down into the
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: bottom of the canyon, so I start moving around parallel
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: to get another shot at him. I actually took another
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: shot there and just missed him because of the wind.
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: It just blew the arrow clear off. And as I'm
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: moving over towards him, I hear my buddy click on
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: the radio, who had you know, earlier in the day
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: gone on the stalk and he says, Hey, that bull
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: just ran past me and I put a perfect arrow
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: in it. So I'm like, all right, well, this is
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: a you know, crazy situation. Now we got three people
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: hit this bowl. But I'm super glad that, you know,
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: the elk is a least down and this is only
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: just a couple of minutes after I had hit it.
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: So I walked to the edge and the bowl was
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: kind of like expiring. I think my friend put one
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: more arrow in it and the whole ordeal was done.
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: So that's kind of the whole story of how that
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: bowl got killed. But insane to have three people. I mean,
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: when I posted on Instagram, I was like, this is
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: standard Utah over the counter stuff, because it seems like
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: this stuff happens on these over the counter units. But
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: it did kind of turn into a little bit of
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: a social media debacle after that. The first hunter he
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: came down and I was I wasn't there for this part.
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: I had gone back to get the truck, but had
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: a bit of a confrontation with my friend who was
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: the third shooter in this scenario, and he ended up
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: putting a post on Facebook and it went viral, kind
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: of like I guess, defaming the third hunter, and it
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: turned to this big, ugly ordeal.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: So luckily, you know what was Ben what was his
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: problem with the whole thing?
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: He thought that we should have well, obviously, I think
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: his biggest problem was that I went in there when
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: the ball was wounded, right, He thought, you know, I
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: should have backed out totally, and in hindsight, you know,
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: everything being what it is, I may have done that.
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: Like my intention was to shoot this other bowl, and
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: then it just kind of worked out the way that
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: it did. Yeah, I don't want it for being frustrated.
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: But he was able to look to and see where
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: he'd hit the elk, and when we you know, obviously
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: were butchering the bowl, we saw where my arrow entered
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: we saw my buddies and we saw where he had
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: hit it, and there was nothing close to fatal on
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: the shot.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Then tell us one more time, Ben, tell us one
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: more time. Where all three of these arrows wound up
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: in the thing from the first hunter, you and then
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: the third hunter.
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: So the first hunter hit it below the shoulder and
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: above the knee, so kind of threw the arm meet
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: from the back to the front, and the arrow was
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: hanging out the front. Here I hit the bowl in
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: the shoulder blade and it got through and it hit
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: for sure hit the close sidelong. I don't know if
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: it got into the off side lung and then my
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: buddy hit it just perfect square in the lungs. And
• 56:59
  Speaker 7: so so when we all talked about that, when we
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: looked at the bowl, we just decided that, you know,
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: my buddy put the most lethal arrow on it. He
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: was the last shoot. I didn't feel like I had
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: any claim on the bowl because I'm just the middle
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: guy in this giant cluster, you know what I mean.
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: So I decided and my buddy decided that he should
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: tag it. And him tagging it really, you know, upset
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: this kid and ended up having a bit of a
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: confrontation over it, so it all ended up kind of
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: going bigger than we wanted it to. An officer from
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: the fishing game came out and investigated it. After that,
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: the post went viral on Facebook and he said there
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: was no wrongdoing and everything got worked out in the end.
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: What we ended up doing that I think really solved it.
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: Has just got on the phone with everybody and with
• 57:40
  Speaker 7: the other hunter and made some apologies and everybody kind
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: of just walked away from it and let it be.
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: But it was just like one of those scenarios you
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: hoped to never run into, and you would never walk
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: into intentionally on public land, but kind of got out
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: of control. And that's kind of why, Like, I mean,
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: this happened back in August, and I haven't shared a
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: ton about it because it's such a wild scenario and
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: it just kind of feels weird. But anyway, that's a story.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Tell us about the messaging of the Facebook post and
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: how Hunter number one had sort of portrayed the event.
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so he basically said, I shot this bowl, I
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: went to blood track it when I found it, there
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: was somebody else gutting it. That was his story he
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: put on Facebook. He said it was about an hour later,
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: and so he made it seem like he'd made a
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: fatal shot and he went to recover the bowl and
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: somebody else was there, and so I had footage, you know,
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: from the whole scenario, from him shooting, to me shooting,
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: to us recovering it with time stamps, and so I
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: had to eventually put together a little YouTube video that
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: I could share for context for the people who were
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: kind of wrapped up in the whole drama the situation.
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: And as you guys know, when anything happens and it
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: gets out there on the social media world, it can
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: just spiral so fast.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: How much time had passed between like Hunter number one
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: shooting the yelk and then you wind up going on
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: a stock and coming upon.
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: It five hours. So he shot it around seven am
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: and I shot it right at noon.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: And what was his plan to recover this bull or
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: to get another arrow in it?
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: He just said that he was waiting for his dad
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: and some friends to come out and help him look
• 59:11
  Speaker 7: for it, and then they were going to go after it.
• 59:13
  Speaker 7: But I don't know exactly what he was wanting to do.
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: Like from his angle, he couldn't see the bull, and
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: we could see it up the canyon and we told him,
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: we're like it. When our friend went over and talked
• 59:22
  Speaker 7: to him, told him, it's on its feet, it's not
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: hit bad, it's just acting like an elk. So it
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: turned into this whole ordeal.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Did he like, was he optimistic that he was going
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: to recover this thing? Did he think he had put
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: a lethal shot on it?
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: I don't know, because he had video two of the
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: bull after the shot, so I think he was kind
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: of maybe in a spot where I think he told
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: his friends that he'd hit it fatally and hit it good,
• 59:47
  Speaker 7: but then maybe when he reviewed through the footage he
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: knew that he didn't, so he kind of had to
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: have a moment too, and he looked at the elk
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: and with the officer and everything, they said, well, if
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: you hit this bull bidally, there'd be a hole right
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: here and there's not, so and they basically had to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: kind of come to an agreement on that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: But it was dumb and it was.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: Kind of ugly. But it's just I mean, the video
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: that I got out of it was kind of cool.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: But all in all hindsight, being what it is, I
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 7: probably would have handed a little bit different and just
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: maybe chilled out a little more and went damn again
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: or something.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: And what was the game warden's messaging towards you, because
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: he had talked to you not before they went and
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: looked at the carcass, right, he had talked to you afterwards.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he called me after they'd done an investigation and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: he's like, just wanted to let you know, like, I've
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 7: been out there. We looked over the carcass and everything.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 7: There was absolutely no wrongdoing that I can find there.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: There's nothing illegal. There's no legal issue here at all.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 7: So it's just kind of something that hunters have to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: work out in that scenario, as it's been figured out
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: in the past. And Utah, I guess it's not a
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: law but more of a precedent. The person who puts
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 7: a final arrow or finishes off the animal is the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: one who supposedly has the right to claim it. That's
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 7: how it's been decided in the past.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I feel like it all went the right way,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: especially hearing that you guys had had a little zoom
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: meeting and everybody apologize and so everybody's happy or at
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: least like stable now.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we're all on good terms, you know. And
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: the thing too, I live in a small town. These
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: are local guys, so the last thing I want to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: do is start a big local stink, you know.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: So yeah, we're all on good terms with it. And
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: I think, sure the first shooter is disappointed, and you know,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: nobody's happy that that post ended up going viral with
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: names in it, but it is kind of is what
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: it is at the end of the day, count and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: do it.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And how I came upon your story, Ben was
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: I saw that video on Instagram, which is an epic
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: stock with just like the wind ripping like it is,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: and you said you would you had You can see
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: your bow moving. That's not the wind doing that. You're
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: trying to counter the wind to keep your arrow on
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: the rest, right.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, my hear keeps blowing sideways out of the rest
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: and it almost came out of the cage there even
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: so I keep shaking it sideways to keep it. And
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: it hadn't been that windy all day, but it was
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: just like the last maybe five minutes of that stock,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: it just really kicked up out of the canyon.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: It was wild.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the this is the kind of over
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: the counter experience the guys joke about, but like, doesn't
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: you know ever really happen where three different dudes shoot
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: the same elk?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean sadly around here, it does happen,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: and it's not that uncommon, I think in my years
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: of hunting over the counter elk in Utah, this is
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 7: the third bowl that multiple groups have put arrows into. Well, no,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: the other two were rifle balls. Yeah, yeah, you know
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: this is this is more unique in that fact, for sure.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we hear that down here in Montana too. I
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: got a question for you. I know, you hit a
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: rock a little bit, but it looks like you hit
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: the shoulder blade. It's probably what limited your penetration? Are
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: you gonna have? You have to change your arrow because
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: of what you saw there? Are you pretty happy with
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: the penetration you got?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't know if I'm going full like thousand
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: grain ranch ferry status or anything like that. I definitely no.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: I know that I have a heavy arrow, I have
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 7: a long draw, I shoot seventy three pounds, and you know,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: I'm not worried about my setup at all in that scenario.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: It was just more it also did kind of hit
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: that ridge of the shoulder blade, that heavy part of
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: the shoulder blade. To me, it's like most scenarios that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: arrow is going to do the trick. But I just
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: need to not shoot him on the shoulder. That's the
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: biggest thing.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: All right, Ben, Well, thanks for joining us to share
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: the story, and good luck with shed hunting this year.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks guys, Thanks Ben.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: All right, that brings this to the end of this
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: week's show. Phil, let's get some final feedback from the chat.
• 1:03:36
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• 1:03:39
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• 1:03:43
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• 1:03:44
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• 1:03:46
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• 1:03:48
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• 1:04:01
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• 1:04:04
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• 1:04:07
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• 1:04:09
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  Speaker 10: couldn't get the energy out, but the mic wasn't flexible enough,
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  Speaker 10: so I had to kind of do like a weird
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  Speaker 10: half crouch, which is so that sounds stupid, like terrible
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  Speaker 10: and stupid. Right, that's a you're you're not going to
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  Speaker 10: see me half crouching shrieking chapel roon into a microphone.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Oh.
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  Speaker 2: That'd be so unless you go to karaoke on that's right, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: downtown Bows.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, after two I pas at the eagles. Then you
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 10: can see me shrieking into a microphone. This might be
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  Speaker 10: like a maybe this is just common courtesy stuff for hunters,
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  Speaker 10: but I'm curious. Rashad's asking if you're with a hunting
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  Speaker 10: buddy that's trying to shoot a deer and he falls asleep,
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  Speaker 10: do you shoot the deer? Do you wake your pal up?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Man, that's a good chester. Shoot the deer Chester question,
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  Speaker 1: shoot the deer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that there's a specific answer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that situational situation dependent.
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  Speaker 2: Unless your buddy is an arcleptic, you just shoot that
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  Speaker 2: deer a shot.
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  Speaker 1: Or it depends on how good of a buddy he
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  Speaker 1: is to you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, depends on what kind of deer you're looking at.
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  Speaker 1: I think too, if it's the Kansas State record buddy,
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  Speaker 1: screw him.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'd wake up Yiannis to tell him, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm about to shoot this deer, but I'm not. I'm
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: not letting Annie talking me.
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  Speaker 1: Get him in your binos and tell me, tell me
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  Speaker 1: where I hit him. D're and on.
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  Speaker 3: Turkey hunts with my kid, you know, naps on turkey hunts.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the kids sleep all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I tell my son, if you're asleep when a gobbler
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: comes in, I'm shooting it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh is that is that genuine?
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  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah, he's gonna wake up to a gun blast.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Yep, learned the hard way.
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  Speaker 2: That'll teach him.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 10: Fruit of the maceilium is asking if they're there's a
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 10: meat quality difference between a spring or a fall black bear.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 10: For context, he'll be in Orchie will be in the
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 10: Oregon Cascades. Bears have no access to fish but lots
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 10: of berries. Yeah, they're dating a spring versus fall hunt.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Huge difference.
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  Speaker 3: I think fat flavor everything, man, all bears generally going
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: to be better.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I need anything to add, Nope, Rody's got it. Yeah,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: all about what that thing has been.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: Eating for the last I think maybe something at least
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: like where you know, we're down in Colorado, with like
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: that thick oak brush and stuff like that, they can
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: be hard harder to find in the fall.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well there, you can't hunt them in the springy
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: but but this is Oregon Cascade. But yeah, I would,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I would there. I just think in the spring, you're
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: gonna end up with a skinny, skinny er. I mean,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: you killed a spring bear once that was loaded with fat.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: But on average that's not normal, not normal. So I
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: would definitely go for a fall hunt if you could cool.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 10: I don't know how detailed do you guys want to get,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 10: But Jeff's asking for a show in tel segment of
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 10: everyone's big game rifle setup. I don't think that really
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 10: needs to be in a show Intel setup. But if
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 10: you guys have some like basic kits, you you go
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 10: out with Johanny.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: What have you been shooting this year?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Nobody really talks about their hunting rigs. Last couple of
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: years been hunting with the sig Cross. Both my girls
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: shot their bucks with or and my daughter shot at
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin dough too with the sig Cross. Which is why
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I like that gun because it is so modular that,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I can make a few adjustments. I can
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: shoot it and then make it compact.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: That folding stock man.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can pack it away real easy. And you
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: know I have two of them. One of them's got
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: the Whiskey six I believe on it. One of them
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: has got the Tango scope on it, and they're both
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: chambered and six five creed More And yeah, I'll even
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: shoot those at an elk as long as it's not
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: too far away. That's the hunting rig right now.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this year I was shooting the Cross, Magnum saw
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: tooth and a seven PRC. And this is like my
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: first fall using a magnum caliber on most of my hunts,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: and it made me realize, with that muzzle break on there,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: I need to get a can.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: To that thing.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Damn hits hard. Yeah, I shot hits my ears hard.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: I shot my moose with the saw Tooth magnum and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: three hundred win mag and three of us couldn't hear
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: for two days after that, oh man. But also running
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: an mdt UH twenty six stock with a Tika six
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: five PRC and that's a real nice deer hunting rig
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: elk hunting rig.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the common denominator here is we're all
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: shooting guns. Were very confident with which is you know
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: what matters most you go out there. You know when
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: you put the crossairs on something, you're gonna kill it dead.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: What else you got, Phil, Let's do one more because
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 10: this one's light. Chris is asking for honeymoon destination ideas
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 10: in the US, probably for outdoorsy folks. Do you guys
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 10: have any tips? Where'd you guys go on your honeymoon?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: This guy already looks like.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: He's got two three. Man, it's a little late for
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: the honeymoon.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's asking for someone else.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: He got married during COVID and they just had to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: push Alaska, go to Alaska.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: Well, it depends on the time of year.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Too, right, Max just went to Alaska for his honeymoon.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Where'd you go on your honeymoon, Brody?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: I went to Belize, I went to New Zealand.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, I went to New York City.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: It was minus definitely a fishing vacation for sure.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's so many places. I mean the
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: same place i'd go take my kids for spring breaking.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: You can go on honeymoon, I don't know, go to
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: the desert and go back back and go to North
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Carolina and fish the out banks, go to Maine, go
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: to some state you've never been there.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: I would just say, go on an adventure.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Don't go on some cruise. Yeah here, yeah, say that
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: from when you're an old person. Uh yeah, go on
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: an adventure with your gal.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: I love a good road trip, and I've really taken
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: to the PNW the last few years now that we
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: only live like a ten hour drive away, driving up
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: and down the coast to Oregon, Washington, northern California. Nothing
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: else like it as far as place as I've been,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: love it anything else, Phill, No, let's call it there,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: all right. That Uh, that's the end of the show.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: But after we say goodbye, Phil is going to play
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Chester's newest song, which is available on Spotify right now.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: I've already added to a bunch of my playlists. Chester
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: didn't even ask for this plug, didn't even really tell
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: us that it existed. I just solid on Spotify and
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: listened to it, and I was like, damn it, Chester,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: that is that's delightful.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: It's a good song.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: It's a good hear it. And I told Chester I
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: didn't ask. I said, we're gonna play this at the
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: end of media to radio this.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Phil, you need to cover one of chester songs.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, I wouldn't disrespect in that way.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: All right, So after we say goodbye and the rock
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: music plays, Phil is going to play for you Chester's
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: newest tune.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for tuning in.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: See you next week.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 8: Is this the wrong inside of Heaven?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 11: MS?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: It's just me?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah, this is how s anxiety. She left me in
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 8: the room. The dog, he said, let him go, please
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: come back? No, no, no, babe. Well I'm not the
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 8: man you always thought i'd be.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: Living on the edge of sanit Tea. I haven't had
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 8: a drink in about six weeks, refrained from the pint
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: of dome I might. I left the car and to
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 8: Guy's bike outside.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 12: So cheers beards brand new. You say it, toast, I
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 12: love you the most.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: Shoot some pool with your foods. Tell a couple of
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 8: lies with my guys.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 11: Well, I took that bik that I stole from Mike
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 11: down to the tavern where I just Mike spent three
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 11: weeks since she called.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: I figure it don't matter anyhow.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 13: You take the sober getting over you, so cheers to
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 13: peers brand new.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 8: See it toast, I love you the most. Shoot some
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 8: pool with your fools. You tell a couple of lies
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: with my guys.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 11: Now, I'm cruising down this hill on their eighteen inch wheels.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 8: Never got much slang, but the night winds got my back.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 11: Cruise along in this moonlight day, seventh year, trying to
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 11: keep her straight, tears all driving, going so fast, baby,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 11: HiT's a lessening in the past.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: Going down at the stars tonight. Yes, I'm going down
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 8: with the stars to night.